Latest / The Epstein Chronicles / Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Blowback For Universities That Took His Money (10/6/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
- 0:03Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. Everybody loves to point the finger at Harvard
- 0:07Speaker 1: when Epstein's mess comes up. And don't get me wrong,
- 0:10Speaker 1: Harvard has earned every ounce of heat it gets. The
- 0:13Speaker 1: guy had an office there, gave the money, and they
- 0:16Speaker 1: pretended it was all fine because hey, money talks, right?
- 0:19Speaker 1: But here's the thing that nobody likes to say out loud.
- 0:22Speaker 1: Harvard wasn't alone. Not by a long shot. Yale got
- 0:26Speaker 1: their hands dirty too. Yale, with all their prestige and pomp,
- 0:30Speaker 1: didn't have a damn problem cashing checks from a creep
- 0:33Speaker 1: like Epstein. They were more than happy to slap on
- 0:36Speaker 1: a smile, nod politely, and help polish up his rotten image.
- 0:39Speaker 1: And we're not talking about some back alley operation. This
- 0:42Speaker 1: is an Ivy League school. The supposed cream of the crop,
- 0:46Speaker 1: the brain trust of America, the ones who like to
- 0:48Speaker 1: wag their finger at the rest of us and tell
- 0:50Speaker 1: us what's moral, what's right, and what's beneath us. These
- 0:53Speaker 1: schools preach leadership, responsibility, and integrity from their ivory towers.
- 0:58Speaker 1: And then behind the curtain, they're cozying up to a
- 1:00Speaker 1: guy who was literally running one of the most vile
- 1:03Speaker 1: and predatory operations you could ever imagine. And it wasn't
- 1:06Speaker 1: like they didn't know. Don't insult our intelligence. The man's
- 1:11Speaker 1: reputation was out there. It was written about, whispered about,
- 1:14Speaker 1: and public enough that any institution worth a damn would
- 1:17Speaker 1: have said no thanks, well pass. But not Harvard. Not Yale.
- 1:21Speaker 1: They still took his money. Why? Because he was useful
- 1:24Speaker 1: to them. That's the truth nobody at those universities wants
- 1:28Speaker 1: to admit. He made them look connected. He made them
- 1:31Speaker 1: look plugged in to high society. He was their pipeline
- 1:34Speaker 1: into the billionaire class, the glittering donors, the circles where
- 1:38Speaker 1: favors and checks are handed out like candy. That's what mattered.
- 1:43Speaker 1: Not ethics. Not decency. Not protecting the reputation of their institutions.
- 1:49Speaker 1: And sure as hell not the lives of the victim's.
- 1:51Speaker 1: They cared about prestige and dollar signs, full stop. And
- 1:55Speaker 1: they figured no one would ever call them on it.
- 1:57Speaker 1: Because hell, who dares cross the Ivy League? Now look
- 2:01Speaker 1: at how they act today. Shocked, appalled, pretending. They never knew.
- 2:06Speaker 1: Spare me the performance. They knew what they were doing,
- 2:09Speaker 1: and they did it anyway. They thought they were untouchable. Harvard, Yale, Princeton,
- 2:13Speaker 1: you name it. They all played ball. They all wanted
- 2:16Speaker 1: a piece of the pie. And now that the stink's
- 2:19Speaker 1: out in the open... They want to scrub their hands
- 2:21Speaker 1: clean and pretend they were never in the room? Give
- 2:24Speaker 1: me a break. When Epstein needed legitimacy after his arrest,
- 2:28Speaker 1: who do you think gave it to him? Institutions like
- 2:31Speaker 1: Yale and Harvard, who let him hover around, stroke checks,
- 2:34Speaker 1: fund research, and act like he was still this great
- 2:37Speaker 1: patron of science and learning. They put a shine on
- 2:40Speaker 1: him when the world was starting to see the dirt.
- 2:42Speaker 1: They were part of the cover, part of the PR
- 2:44Speaker 1: machine that kept him in the shadows just long enough
- 2:46Speaker 1: for him to keep doing what he was doing. Without them,
- 2:50Speaker 1: his comeback tour would have been dead on arrival. But no,
- 2:54Speaker 1: they let him walk in the front door because money
- 2:56Speaker 1: erases sins when you're wearing Ivy League robes. And after
- 3:00Speaker 1: all this, you still see these schools shrugging it off.
- 3:03Speaker 1: We're reviewing our donor policies. Oh, really? Reviewing? After the fact.
- 3:09Speaker 1: You weren't reviewing when he was shaking your hands and
- 3:11Speaker 1: cutting checks. You weren't reviewing when his name was plastered
- 3:14Speaker 1: on programs and dinners. You weren't reviewing when your professor's
- 3:18Speaker 1: and administrators were happy to rub elbows with them. No,
- 3:21Speaker 1: you're only reviewing now because your asses got caught. So yeah,
- 3:26Speaker 1: Harvard gets the headlines, and they deserve them. But Yale?
- 3:29Speaker 1: They don't get to skate. Neither does Princeton. Neither do
- 3:32Speaker 1: the others. They were all in the same game, chasing
- 3:35Speaker 1: the same money, banking on the same silence, and they
- 3:38Speaker 1: thought people weren't paying attention. And they were dead wrong.
- 3:42Speaker 1: Because every working guy and gal, every parent who sacrifices
- 3:45Speaker 1: to send their kid to school... every taxpayer who props
- 3:48Speaker 1: up this broken-ass system, we all see it now. The
- 3:52Speaker 1: mask is off. The hypocrisy is out there for everyone
- 3:56Speaker 1: to see. And if these institutions think they can wait
- 4:00Speaker 1: us out, think we'll forget, think the story will fade, well,
- 4:04Speaker 1: they've got another thing coming. Because the truth is out now,
- 4:08Speaker 1: and it wasn't just Harvard, it was Yale, it was
- 4:10Speaker 1: the whole rotten network of elite universities, and they all
- 4:13Speaker 1: sold out their souls for Jeffrey Epstein's money. Today's article
- 4:18Speaker 1: is from the Yale News and the headline, Epstein's 2003
- 4:22Speaker 1: Birthday Album Signed by Three Former Yale Professors. This article
- 4:27Speaker 1: was authored by Asher Boyskin. Three former Yale faculty members
- 4:33Speaker 1: and other Yale affiliates left personal notes in a 50th
- 4:36Speaker 1: birthday book for Jeffrey Epstein that a congressional committee released
- 4:40Speaker 1: last month. The House Oversight Committee on September 8th published
- 4:44Speaker 1: scans of the 238-page album, which was assembled in 2003
- 4:49Speaker 1: by Epstein's longtime associate, you mean co-conspirator, fellow child abuser,
- 4:54Speaker 1: general all-around scumbag and bipedal serpent, right? Glenn Maxwell, and
- 4:58Speaker 1: later obtained through a subpoena of his estate. The outcry
- 5:02Speaker 1: over the financier, pedophiles, sexual abuse of women and girls
- 5:06Speaker 1: intensified over the summer after the Justice Department released a
- 5:10Speaker 1: memorandum saying it would not release extensive evidence related to him.
- 5:15Speaker 1: And that's when this whole thing really blew up, right?
- 5:18Speaker 1: When they decided to release that letter. Because up until then,
- 5:22Speaker 1: everybody was under the impression that an investigation was still happening.
- 5:26Speaker 1: But the truth is, I don't believe that any investigation
- 5:28Speaker 1: was ever even underway. You really think they were still
- 5:32Speaker 1: looking for Jeffrey Epstein's associates? Stop it. They don't care.
- 5:36Speaker 1: And I'll keep driving that point home as much as
- 5:38Speaker 1: I have to. If you think that these people care
- 5:41Speaker 1: about Jeffrey Epstein and his crimes, you're crazy. They had
- 5:44Speaker 1: every chance in the world to stop this man. They
- 5:47Speaker 1: chose not to. All of them. The album's table of
- 5:52Speaker 1: contents identifies Mortimer Zuckerman, who once lectured on city and
- 5:56Speaker 1: regional planning at Yale, physicist Lee Smolin, a former assistant
- 6:00Speaker 1: professor in the 80s, and psychiatrist Henry Jarecki, an adjunct
- 6:05Speaker 1: who retired from the School of Medicine last year as contributors. Now,
- 6:09Speaker 1: of course, all these people will tell you they have
- 6:11Speaker 1: no idea what was going on. And according to them,
- 6:14Speaker 1: Epstein was an upstanding guy, right? Hell of a fella,
- 6:17Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein guy. None of the three former faculty
- 6:21Speaker 1: members responded to the news request for comment. And that's
- 6:24Speaker 1: what happens time and time again. People get called out
- 6:27Speaker 1: for their relationships with Epstein, and then they just turtle up.
- 6:31Speaker 1: So that leads to people thinking they have something to hide.
- 6:34Speaker 1: Now can you imagine somebody saying that you were friends
- 6:36Speaker 1: with this dude, or that you were involved with his
- 6:38Speaker 1: abuse or whatever, and not defending your name? I don't
- 6:41Speaker 1: know anybody who's just going to turtle up and not
- 6:44Speaker 1: have any kind of comment or challenge the assertions that
- 6:48Speaker 1: are being made about them. Unless, of course, you have
- 6:51Speaker 1: something to hide. The album also features notes or images
- 6:55Speaker 1: from Nobel laureate Murray Gellman, 48, Epstein's longtime attorney Alan Dershowitz, Law, 62,
- 7:03Speaker 1: and former president Bill Clinton, Law, 73. It's a big club, folks,
- 7:09Speaker 1: and none of us are invited. And I mean, this
- 7:11Speaker 1: goes all the way back to, you know, Bush and
- 7:13Speaker 1: the Skull and Bone Society and all these different groups
- 7:15Speaker 1: that these people are a part of that people like
- 7:18Speaker 1: us would be laughed at of. You really think if
- 7:21Speaker 1: you or I showed up to one of these parties
- 7:23Speaker 1: or one of these events, we'd become part of the crew?
- 7:26Speaker 1: That's not how this works. You have to be born
- 7:28Speaker 1: into it, right? Or you have to have so much money,
- 7:31Speaker 1: you force your way into it. The rest of us, well,
- 7:34Speaker 1: we're just pieces on the chessboard. The Daily Pennsylvanian reported
- 7:39Speaker 1: that University of Pennsylvania alumni, such as President Donald Trump, Zuckerman,
- 7:45Speaker 1: 72 Nobel Prize winner Gerald Edelman, and Philadelphia 76ers owner
- 7:50Speaker 1: Josh Harris, signed the album. And Harris shouldn't surprise anybody. Now,
- 7:54Speaker 1: Josh Harris also was a partner at Apollo Global with
- 7:58Speaker 1: Leon Black. And there was this big kerfuffle over Leon
- 8:03Speaker 1: Black's departure. That led to Mark Rowan taking over, who
- 8:07Speaker 1: was the third partner, and that iced Josh Harris out.
- 8:11Speaker 1: And that's why Josh Harris ended up leaving Apollo Global.
- 8:14Speaker 1: But as far as Josh Harris having some kind of
- 8:16Speaker 1: relationship with Epstein besides that, I don't know. Honestly, I
- 8:20Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe. Maybe they did. But it seems like
- 8:24Speaker 1: Josh Harris was one of the factors of Leon Black
- 8:27Speaker 1: leaving Apollo Global. So I'm not too sure how far
- 8:31Speaker 1: Josh Harris and Jeffrey Epstein's relationship go. but they definitely
- 8:35Speaker 1: were friendly, or at the very least they've met before
- 8:38Speaker 1: and had some association. And the Harvard Crimson reported that
- 8:42Speaker 1: two-time acting Harvard president Henry Rosofsky, among several other university affiliates,
- 8:48Speaker 1: also contributed. Lee Smolin, who taught physics at Yale from
- 8:52Speaker 1: 84 to 88 as an assistant professor, has made major
- 8:56Speaker 1: contributions to the field of theoretical physics, appears in Epstein's
- 9:00Speaker 1: birthday book under the category of Scientist. In 2019, Smolin
- 9:05Speaker 1: told The Verge, a technology news outlet, that he saw
- 9:08Speaker 1: Epstein at scientific conferences in 2007 and had no contact
- 9:12Speaker 1: with him since 2008. I was one of his first students,
- 9:15Speaker 1: Vicar Hussein, who was a student from 85 to 89,
- 9:20Speaker 1: who took a course on general relativity with Smolin at
- 9:23Speaker 1: Yale and later had him as his doctoral advisor wrote
- 9:26Speaker 1: to the news. He noted that it was difficult to
- 9:29Speaker 1: first working with Smolin as he approached research like an artist,
- 9:33Speaker 1: loved crazy ideas, did not encourage regular meetings, and let
- 9:36Speaker 1: students explore freely. Well, I don't know anything about how
- 9:40Speaker 1: the scientific process works, but seems like a good way
- 9:43Speaker 1: to go about it, right? You want people to be
- 9:45Speaker 1: independent thinkers, want them to try and solve some problems,
- 9:48Speaker 1: so that doesn't sound so bad. Hussain added that Smolin's
- 9:52Speaker 1: inclusion in the album came as a bit of a surprise.
- 9:55Speaker 1: But on the other hand, Epstein was known to collect people,
- 9:58Speaker 1: including prominent academicians. by organizing fully funded conferences in exotic locations.
- 10:04Speaker 1: Let me translate that for you. What he means by
- 10:07Speaker 1: exotic location is Jeffrey Epstein's disgusting ass island. That's what
- 10:11Speaker 1: he means. Henry Jarecki, identified as a friend, praised Epstein
- 10:16Speaker 1: in his note for teaching him more than I expected
- 10:19Speaker 1: to at this time of my life. And all these
- 10:22Speaker 1: crazy notes that were sent to Epstein, we're going to
- 10:24Speaker 1: have to dive deeper into them. Because I'm sure some
- 10:26Speaker 1: of them have double meanings. Now, not all of them, obviously.
- 10:30Speaker 1: But some of them, I bet you they do. You
- 10:32Speaker 1: really think these guys didn't share some kind of inside joke?
- 10:35Speaker 1: They most certainly did. He included a message from his
- 10:40Speaker 1: house astrologer describing Epstein as a fiercely intelligent, highly complex
- 10:44Speaker 1: individual who favored working in private, or better yet, utter secrecy.
- 10:49Speaker 1: A house astrologer? Say what now? A house astrologer? I mean,
- 10:55Speaker 1: how much more evidence do we need before we admit
- 10:58Speaker 1: that these people are fucking weird? Jarecki was sued last
- 11:03Speaker 1: year in federal court in New York by a woman
- 11:05Speaker 1: claiming to be a victim of sexual abuse by Jeffrey Epstein.
- 11:09Speaker 1: In the complaint, which refers to the woman as Jane
- 11:11Speaker 1: Doe 11, Jarecki is accused of raping her on multiple
- 11:15Speaker 1: occasions and between 2011 and 2014, after Epstein referred her
- 11:20Speaker 1: to the psychiatrist for mental health treatment following his own
- 11:24Speaker 1: alleged sexual abuses. In April, the unnamed woman voluntarily dropped
- 11:28Speaker 1: her lawsuit against Jarecki, according to court filings. In November
- 11:33Speaker 1: of 2023, Jarecki was celebrated in a medical school press
- 11:37Speaker 1: release for having been awarded the Pardris Humanitarian Prize in
- 11:42Speaker 1: Mental Health by the Brain and Behavior Research Foundation. Well,
- 11:46Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy, huh? This celebrated brain doctor doesn't have
- 11:49Speaker 1: a brain in his head. Hanging out with Epstein. Fuck
- 11:52Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Jarecki retired from the School of
- 11:57Speaker 1: Medicine in 2024, according to a university spokesperson. Zuckerman, also
- 12:03Speaker 1: listed as a friend, was the editor-in-chief of the U.S.
- 12:06Speaker 1: News and World Report and owner of the New York
- 12:09Speaker 1: Daily News. He pledged $ 200 million to Columbia University in
- 12:13Speaker 1: 2012 to establish the MindBrain Behavior Institute, though he paused
- 12:17Speaker 1: millions in funding in 2024, citing the university's failure to
- 12:22Speaker 1: address rising anti-Semitism on campus. Well, who cares about molesters, right?
- 12:28Speaker 1: Who cares about human trafficking rings on campus? But God
- 12:31Speaker 1: forbid somebody speaks out and has a different opinion. And look,
- 12:35Speaker 1: before you jump to any conclusions... I'm not saying it's
- 12:37Speaker 1: right or wrong, not saying I agree with it, but
- 12:40Speaker 1: people are allowed to protest, at least as far as
- 12:43Speaker 1: I'm concerned. If you're not being violent, you should be
- 12:46Speaker 1: able to protest. But you have people like Zuckerman and
- 12:49Speaker 1: Les Wexner and all these other donors who are more
- 12:52Speaker 1: fired up about people protesting on campus than they ever
- 12:56Speaker 1: were about breaking bread with Jeffrey Epstein. Zuckerman was invited
- 13:01Speaker 1: to speak at a Yale political union event in 93. Gelman,
- 13:05Speaker 1: a Yale alumnus, who won the 1969 Nobel Prize in
- 13:10Speaker 1: Physics and taught at Caltech, signed a page with a
- 13:13Speaker 1: photo of himself yawning. Dershowitz, who edited the Yale Law
- 13:17Speaker 1: Journal and graduated first in his class, also wrote an
- 13:21Speaker 1: entry in the birthday book. Dershowitz, a longtime Harvard law professor,
- 13:25Speaker 1: served on Epstein's legal defense team and helped Epstein secure
- 13:28Speaker 1: the 2008 plea deal in which Epstein pleaded guilty in
- 13:32Speaker 1: Florida to two state charges of soliciting a minor for prostitution.
- 13:37Speaker 1: You cannot solicit a minor for prostitution. Minors cannot consent.
- 13:40Speaker 1: Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Dershowitz has
- 13:44Speaker 1: said that he did not recall contributing an entry to
- 13:46Speaker 1: the birthday book. Of course he didn't. This guy has
- 13:49Speaker 1: more memory problems than anybody on earth. Well, unless you
- 13:52Speaker 1: ask him about, you know, any kind of massage or
- 13:55Speaker 1: any kind of hanging out with Epstein off the books.
- 14:01Speaker 1: An entry attributed to Clinton is included in the birthday album,
- 14:04Speaker 1: Clinton Flew on Epstein's Private Plane, on four separate occasions
- 14:07Speaker 1: for trips on behalf of the Clinton Foundation. Way more
- 14:11Speaker 1: times than that. Get your shit together, Yale Deli News.
- 14:16Speaker 1: Four times. You mean about 40 times? How about the
- 14:19Speaker 1: fact that he had his own plane on the seat?
- 14:22Speaker 1: How about the fact that he got himself a nice
- 14:23Speaker 1: little massage in the airport from Shante Davies, a trafficking victim?
- 14:28Speaker 1: Give me a break, dude. President Clinton knows nothing about
- 14:32Speaker 1: the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to. Angel Arena,
- 14:37Speaker 1: a spokesperson for Bill Clinton, said in a statement posted
- 14:40Speaker 1: online by a spokesperson in 2019, Folks, I have some
- 14:43Speaker 1: breaking news. Bill Clinton is a liar. Epstein was visiting
- 14:49Speaker 1: a fellow in Harvard's psychology department during the 2005-2006 year,
- 14:54Speaker 1: according to a 2020 Harvard report on his ties to
- 14:57Speaker 1: the university. So look, it's not just Harvard, and it's
- 15:02Speaker 1: not just Yale. All of these colleges from Arizona State,
- 15:06Speaker 1: I mean, you name it, they were all accepting Jeffrey
- 15:09Speaker 1: Epstein's money, they were all accepting his patronage, and they
- 15:12Speaker 1: all knew what he was. But now that the chips
- 15:14Speaker 1: are down, and the house of cards has come tumbling down,
- 15:17Speaker 1: now you had no idea who he was or what
- 15:19Speaker 1: he was? Nice try, but I have bad news for you.
- 15:24Speaker 1: Nobody buys it. Not the polar bears of the great
- 15:26Speaker 1: white north, and not the penguins down in Antarctica. Nobody's
- 15:30Speaker 1: buying the BS that you're selling. Alright folks, that's going
- 15:35Speaker 1: to do it for this one. All of the information
- 15:37Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
- 15:40Speaker 1: description box. What's up everyone and welcome to another episode
- 15:49Speaker 1: of the Epstein Chronicles. Over the years, Leon Black has
- 15:53Speaker 1: donated a lot of money to Dartmouth College and even
- 15:56Speaker 1: has his name on a building. And while that was
- 16:00Speaker 1: all fine and well previously, now, with renewed interest in
- 16:03Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein's associates, it's becoming a problem.
- 16:10Speaker 1: And groups on campus and alumni, they're calling for Leon
- 16:14Speaker 1: Black's name to be taken off of this building. And
- 16:19Speaker 1: I don't think that they're wrong. Why would you want
- 16:23Speaker 1: to be associated with somebody like Leon Black? At the
- 16:27Speaker 1: very least, he enabled Jeffrey Epstein at the very least.
- 16:32Speaker 1: And Lord knows what else. But if I was some university,
- 16:36Speaker 1: the last thing I'd want is Leon Black's name on
- 16:38Speaker 1: a building. And the same goes for Les Wexner down
- 16:42Speaker 1: in Ohio State, where administrators and big shots on campus
- 16:46Speaker 1: are fighting tooth and nail to protect Les Wexner. So
- 16:50Speaker 1: is the same thing going to happen up here in Dartmouth?
- 16:52Speaker 1: Why don't we jump into this article and see what's up.
- 16:55Speaker 1: This article was published by the Valley News and the headline,
- 16:59Speaker 1: Dartmouth Group Renews Calls to Rename Arts Center Bankrolled by
- 17:02Speaker 1: Epstein Associate. The author of this article is Alex Hansen.
- 17:07Speaker 1: A broad cross-section of the Dartmouth College community has renewed
- 17:11Speaker 1: calls to remove the name of financier Leon Black, an
- 17:14Speaker 1: alumnus and former trustee from the College Visual Arts Center.
- 17:20Speaker 1: In response, the College Board of Trustees has announced that
- 17:23Speaker 1: it will appoint a committee to study naming across campus.
- 17:27Speaker 1: At its next meeting, In June. For critics of Black
- 17:31Speaker 1: who paid $ 170 million to Jeffrey Epstein after Epstein's 2008
- 17:36Speaker 1: guilty plea to soliciting prostitution. Whoa, hold on. Soliciting prostitution?
- 17:42Speaker 1: That doesn't tell the whole story. An underage girl. He
- 17:46Speaker 1: molested her. And then they protected him by saying that
- 17:49Speaker 1: he solicited a quote-unquote prostitute. It's much more sanitized, right?
- 17:54Speaker 1: You hear that, you're like, oh, Jeffrey Epstein, a prostitute.
- 17:57Speaker 1: What's the big deal? Well, the big deal is that
- 17:59Speaker 1: it wasn't a prostitute. It was a child. I'm glad
- 18:04Speaker 1: that they're being thoughtful, but they've really had a lot
- 18:07Speaker 1: of time to think on this issue. Diana Whitney, a
- 18:10Speaker 1: 1995 Dartmouth graduate and co-founder of Dartmouth Community Against Gender
- 18:14Speaker 1: Harassment and Sexual Violence said in a phone interview, I
- 18:18Speaker 1: think any more delay on this is unconscionable, she added. Well,
- 18:22Speaker 1: I agree. But when you have that kind of money
- 18:25Speaker 1: and you're that big of a donor, you're going to
- 18:27Speaker 1: get special treatment. You're going to get extra time. And
- 18:32Speaker 1: that's what we're seeing with Leon Black. They're not just
- 18:35Speaker 1: going to rush to take his name off the building.
- 18:37Speaker 1: What they're going to try and do is find a
- 18:39Speaker 1: loophole or a technicality that helps them avoid doing that.
- 18:43Speaker 1: I support the alumni and the students calling for his
- 18:45Speaker 1: name to be removed from the visual arts building. Former U.S.
- 18:49Speaker 1: Representative Annie McClain Custer said in a phone interview. Custer,
- 18:55Speaker 1: a 1978 Dartmouth graduate, revealed in 2016 that she was
- 18:59Speaker 1: sexually assaulted as a student. I think it's an important
- 19:03Speaker 1: moment for Dartmouth. There is a long and sordid history
- 19:06Speaker 1: of sexual assault on campus. Dartmouth should take a stand,
- 19:10Speaker 1: and I call upon the president and the trustees to
- 19:12Speaker 1: step up and do the right thing. I have my
- 19:15Speaker 1: doubts that'll happen. I mean, whenever you're dealing with this
- 19:17Speaker 1: kind of dough and this kind of power, it's pretty
- 19:20Speaker 1: difficult to... to knock them from their perch. Oh, there's
- 19:23Speaker 1: going to be a lot of people that talk a
- 19:25Speaker 1: big game, but when it comes to actually putting that
- 19:27Speaker 1: into effect and, you know, holding people accountable, it becomes
- 19:31Speaker 1: a whole different story. Citing revelations from the Epstein files,
- 19:36Speaker 1: Women of Dartmouth, the college's largest alumni affinity association with
- 19:40Speaker 1: more than 30,000 members, wrote to President Cian Beloc and
- 19:45Speaker 1: the trustees on April 7th to say that the group
- 19:48Speaker 1: will firmly support the college in renaming the Black Family
- 19:51Speaker 1: Visual Arts Center by removing both the Black Family and
- 19:54Speaker 1: Leon Black, 73 names. The time has come for action,
- 19:59Speaker 1: now given the indications and evidence of indefensible misconduct. I mean,
- 20:03Speaker 1: is she wrong? It's been a long time coming, and
- 20:07Speaker 1: let's not act like this is all new. Leon Black
- 20:10Speaker 1: has his own allegations. Not like it's just that he
- 20:14Speaker 1: was friends with Epstein, right? This man, if you want
- 20:16Speaker 1: to call him that, has also been accused of vile abuse.
- 20:22Speaker 1: Dartmouth's Student Government Association and the Student and Presidential Committee
- 20:26Speaker 1: on Sexual Assault called for the college to remove Black's
- 20:29Speaker 1: name from the Visual Arts Center in a message to
- 20:32Speaker 1: undergraduates on April 8th. The trustees met from April 10th
- 20:37Speaker 1: to the 12th And a summary released by the college's
- 20:40Speaker 1: newsroom included two paragraphs about the plan to study naming.
- 20:44Speaker 1: And every time I hear about one of these studies,
- 20:47Speaker 1: or we're going to form a commission, what I really
- 20:49Speaker 1: hear is, we're trying to kick the can down the road. Oh,
- 20:53Speaker 1: we'll wait it out. Yeah, we're still investigating. And then
- 20:58Speaker 1: when the next person comes up, and they're in charge,
- 21:00Speaker 1: the next president or whatever, they'll be the one to
- 21:03Speaker 1: deal with it. And that's how these universities and anybody
- 21:07Speaker 1: connected to Epstein, has approached it. It's always about kicking
- 21:12Speaker 1: the can down the road, blaming somebody else, not looking
- 21:15Speaker 1: in the mirror. And the same goes for Dartmouth. They
- 21:20Speaker 1: should just do the right thing and get rid of
- 21:22Speaker 1: this dude's name. Naming is a topic the board has
- 21:25Speaker 1: wanted to address thoughtfully for some time, Chairman Greg Lamaca,
- 21:29Speaker 1: a 91 Dartmouth graduate, said in the Dartmouth News story.
- 21:33Speaker 1: Establishing this committee gives us a clear structure to do
- 21:36Speaker 1: that work, to engage the community, weigh different perspectives, and
- 21:40Speaker 1: arrive at a process that reflects Dartmouth's values. Well, I
- 21:44Speaker 1: don't think that having Leon Black's name on a building
- 21:46Speaker 1: on campus is upholding the so-called values of Dartmouth. I
- 21:51Speaker 1: would think that they'd want that name off the building ASAP.
- 21:55Speaker 1: Since then, the editorial board of the Dartmouth, the campus newspaper,
- 21:59Speaker 1: has called for the removal of Black's name. We take
- 22:03Speaker 1: seriously the allegations that have been made against Leon Black
- 22:06Speaker 1: and we continue to evaluate any new information that comes
- 22:09Speaker 1: to light with the seriousness it deserves. Dartmouth spokesperson Jana
- 22:15Speaker 1: Barnello said in a written statement, Dartmouth currently has no
- 22:19Speaker 1: financial relationship with him. Well, great. Then get rid of
- 22:22Speaker 1: the name on the building. What's the big deal? What
- 22:27Speaker 1: are you waiting for? If he has no relationship with
- 22:30Speaker 1: you guys now and he's not donating any more money,
- 22:33Speaker 1: It should be an easy decision, right? Now, of course,
- 22:36Speaker 1: I'm sure that there's some thought going into it that
- 22:39Speaker 1: they might have to refund the money or something, and
- 22:41Speaker 1: that's very possible. But why not find other donors to
- 22:45Speaker 1: step up to incur that cost? And listen, sometimes doing
- 22:49Speaker 1: the right thing comes with a cost. And in this case,
- 22:52Speaker 1: for Dartmouth, that could be a financial burden. But would
- 22:55Speaker 1: they rather be burdened by being associated with Jeffrey Epstein's BFF,
- 23:00Speaker 1: Leon Black? calls to remove Black's name from the Visual
- 23:03Speaker 1: Arts Center date back to 2020 and 2021, when links
- 23:07Speaker 1: between Black and Epstein began to draw greater scrutiny. Black,
- 23:13Speaker 1: a 1973 Dartmouth graduate who later served as a trustee,
- 23:16Speaker 1: co-founded Apollo Global Management, a private equity firm. In 1990,
- 23:21Speaker 1: his net worth is estimated between $ 13 billion and $ 17 billion,
- 23:25Speaker 1: according to Forbes and Bloomberg. The Black family, donated $ 48
- 23:30Speaker 1: million toward the construction of the Visual Arts Center, which
- 23:34Speaker 1: opened in 2012 as a Lebanon Street entrance to the
- 23:37Speaker 1: campus and the face of the college's arts district, which
- 23:41Speaker 1: now includes multi-million dollar renovations and expansions of the Hood
- 23:45Speaker 1: Museum and the Hopkins Center for the Arts. Black also
- 23:50Speaker 1: commissioned and donated Dartmouth panels, a set of five vertical
- 23:54Speaker 1: panels by celebrated artist Ellsworth Kelly that hang on the
- 23:58Speaker 1: back wall of the Hopkins Center opposite the visual arts building.
- 24:03Speaker 1: Who cares? Great, good for him. And if he was
- 24:06Speaker 1: a decent dude who wasn't a scumbag awesome. But all
- 24:10Speaker 1: the philanthropy in the world doesn't change who you are.
- 24:14Speaker 1: And trying to use it as a shield that's some
- 24:17Speaker 1: dirty ass work. The Dartmouth group points to a growing
- 24:22Speaker 1: body of evidence tying Black to Epstein, who served three
- 24:24Speaker 1: years of detention from 2008 to 2011 after his guilty
- 24:29Speaker 1: plea for soliciting a teenager for prostitution. Three years? What?
- 24:34Speaker 1: Try 13 months. You kidding me right now? Three years.
- 24:38Speaker 1: I wish he had three years. You mean Diddy's doing
- 24:40Speaker 1: three years, right? Dozens of women have come forward to
- 24:47Speaker 1: testify that they were trafficked by Epstein and his helpers
- 24:50Speaker 1: for sex. Epstein was facing federal charges when he was
- 24:53Speaker 1: found dead in his prison cell in New York in
- 24:56Speaker 1: August of 2019. His death was ruled a suicide. Black's
- 25:02Speaker 1: $ 170 million in payments to Epstein from 2012 to 2017
- 25:06Speaker 1: were for tax and investing advice, Black has said. Though
- 25:11Speaker 1: Epstein's advice saved Black over $ 1 billion in tax obligations...
- 25:15Speaker 1: Documents from the Epstein files indicate the payments were intended
- 25:19Speaker 1: to pay Epstein's operations, which included trafficking teenagers for sex.
- 25:25Speaker 1: A 2023 settlement, agreement between Black and the U.S. Virgin Islands,
- 25:29Speaker 1: where Epstein maintained private island compound and a tax shelter,
- 25:33Speaker 1: says that Jeffrey Epstein used the money Black paid him
- 25:36Speaker 1: to partially fund his operation in the Virgin Islands. Well, yeah,
- 25:41Speaker 1: he did. That money that Black was giving him What
- 25:44Speaker 1: do you think Epstein was doing with it? You can't
- 25:48Speaker 1: fly those jets for free. Gotta pay everybody. Gotta have
- 25:51Speaker 1: money for that. And there was always somebody like Leon
- 25:53Speaker 1: Black more than willing to help Epstein out. A March 20th,
- 25:58Speaker 1: 2026 letter from U.S. Senator Ron Wyden to Black points
- 26:03Speaker 1: out that Black paid 30 times more for tax advice
- 26:06Speaker 1: from Epstein than he did to several firms. Like, at
- 26:11Speaker 1: this point, does anyone really believe that Leon Black was
- 26:13Speaker 1: just giving Epstein money for tax advice? And if you
- 26:16Speaker 1: believe that, I would love for you to explain to
- 26:18Speaker 1: me step by step what brought you to that point.
- 26:22Speaker 1: I truly want to know. Because I find it very
- 26:24Speaker 1: hard to believe that he was paying that kind of
- 26:26Speaker 1: money for advice. Black has denied wrongdoing and has said
- 26:31Speaker 1: that he was unaware of Epstein's illicit activity. When more
- 26:34Speaker 1: information about Epstein came to light, Black said he regretted
- 26:38Speaker 1: the connection. In 2021, Black stepped down as chairman of
- 26:42Speaker 1: Apollo Global Management and as chairman of the board of
- 26:45Speaker 1: the Museum of Modern Art, though he retains an ownership
- 26:49Speaker 1: stake in Apollo and is still on the MoMA board.
- 26:52Speaker 1: Of course he is. It was all performative. You really
- 26:55Speaker 1: think that Leon Black suffered real ramifications here? An email
- 27:02Speaker 1: to Susan Estrich, a lawyer for Black, was not returned
- 27:05Speaker 1: by deadline. Estrich told the Dartmouth Times, that an independent
- 27:09Speaker 1: investigation concluded that Black had no awareness of Epstein's criminal
- 27:13Speaker 1: activity leading to his arrest in 2019. No, not at all.
- 27:17Speaker 1: Had no idea. Just another case of one of the
- 27:20Speaker 1: smartest men in the room not being so smart. Black
- 27:25Speaker 1: also has been accused of sexual assault allegations that he denies.
- 27:29Speaker 1: One lawsuit by a woman who claims Black raped her
- 27:32Speaker 1: at Epstein's townhouse when she was 16 remains pending. Of
- 27:36Speaker 1: the three civil lawsuits filed against Mr. Black, one has
- 27:40Speaker 1: been dismissed, the other withdrawn, and the other is currently
- 27:43Speaker 1: facing a case terminating motion for sanctions, Estrich told the Dartmouth.
- 27:49Speaker 1: There is absolutely no truth to any of the allegations
- 27:52Speaker 1: against Mr. Black. I have my doubts about that. No
- 27:56Speaker 1: truth whatsoever? None, huh? Okay. Epstein was an early and
- 28:00Speaker 1: long-time director of the Black Family Foundation, through which Black's
- 28:03Speaker 1: donations to Dartmouth passed. His name appears in the Foundation
- 28:07Speaker 1: tax forms in 2012, though the Black family has said
- 28:11Speaker 1: that was an error and that Epstein's directorship ended in 2007.
- 28:16Speaker 1: Sure it did. Sure it did, Mr. Black. The Epstein
- 28:21Speaker 1: files also contain emails from 2014 in which Epstein refers
- 28:26Speaker 1: to Black's donations to Dartmouth. The file also includes a
- 28:30Speaker 1: May 27, 2014 letter from Robert W. Lasher, Dartmouth's Senior
- 28:35Speaker 1: Vice President for Advancement to Black that details payments for
- 28:39Speaker 1: the Visual Arts Center, $ 500, 000 for the renovation of the
- 28:43Speaker 1: Dartmouth President's House, a campus building, and $ 3 million for
- 28:47Speaker 1: the Ellsworth-Kelly Commission, an amount the college has never revealed publicly.
- 28:54Speaker 1: The Dartmouth groups argue that Black's links to Epstein taint
- 28:57Speaker 1: the Visual Arts Center, that bears his family name, and
- 29:00Speaker 1: that seeing Black's name causes undue grief to survivors who
- 29:04Speaker 1: of sexual assault. Well, I mean, if you were somebody
- 29:07Speaker 1: that was on campus who was assaulted by somebody, and
- 29:10Speaker 1: you have to see Leon Black's name all the time,
- 29:12Speaker 1: I could see that. In their refusal to change the name,
- 29:16Speaker 1: Dartmouth's administration sullies Hanover and normalizes Epstein's apparatus, all without explanation.
- 29:22Speaker 1: Marianne Mendenhall, a 2002 Dartmouth graduate, who is now a
- 29:27Speaker 1: public defender, wrote in an April 14th op-ed in the Dartmouth.
- 29:32Speaker 1: And 24 hours a day, Dartmouth broadcasts this rot to
- 29:35Speaker 1: its future rich guys. The margins for morality have no
- 29:38Speaker 1: limits if you get rich. enough. Seeing Black's name on
- 29:42Speaker 1: the campus building is an injurious, insulting, persistent, and painful
- 29:46Speaker 1: reminder to women and men that sexual predators often harm
- 29:50Speaker 1: others with impunity. The Women of Dartmouth statement says, At
- 29:56Speaker 1: two recent Women of Dartmouth town halls, black was one
- 29:58Speaker 1: of the top three topics. In the post-event discussion, alumni
- 30:03Speaker 1: were frustrated and indignant that a change had not already occurred,
- 30:08Speaker 1: the statement says. Removing the name is not merely a
- 30:11Speaker 1: symbolic gesture, the statement says. It's a necessary step to
- 30:14Speaker 1: protect the future and the integrity of the college. And
- 30:18Speaker 1: for me, I think that's the real issue. Do you
- 30:22Speaker 1: want to be associated with Jeffrey Epstein and those adjacent
- 30:24Speaker 1: to him? or would you rather just erase the stain?
- 30:28Speaker 1: I know what I'd rather do. Regardless of whether Epstein
- 30:34Speaker 1: held an official title, files confirm that within his capacity
- 30:37Speaker 1: as director and personal consultant to Black, Epstein advised and
- 30:41Speaker 1: planned Black's donations to Dartmouth. The student government and the
- 30:46Speaker 1: Committee on Sexual Assault wrote in their message to undergraduates,
- 30:50Speaker 1: Those donations are a financial scar on this institution. The
- 30:55Speaker 1: renewed campaign to take Black's name down is a sign
- 30:57Speaker 1: both that the ongoing release and investigation of the Epstein
- 31:01Speaker 1: files seems likely to continue to reveal further links between
- 31:05Speaker 1: Epstein and Leon Black, and that the issue isn't going
- 31:09Speaker 1: to fade into the background at Dartmouth, not when it
- 31:12Speaker 1: comes to Leon Black. There are many skeletons still to
- 31:16Speaker 1: be uncovered, and in my opinion, Dartmouth would be well-served
- 31:20Speaker 1: to get ahead of this bomb blast. Wyden's recent letter
- 31:24Speaker 1: to Black runs 20 pages and poses an array of
- 31:27Speaker 1: questions about Black's financial dealings, including tax compliance. In the letter,
- 31:32Speaker 1: Wyden asked for answers by April 13th, a call to
- 31:35Speaker 1: Wyden's office in Washington asking if the deadline had been
- 31:38Speaker 1: met was not returned. Furthermore, the files remove any lingering
- 31:43Speaker 1: doubt as to whether you were connected to women in
- 31:46Speaker 1: Epstein's network and the evidence that Epstein and powerful associates
- 31:50Speaker 1: in the U.S. and abroad were. were surveilling and paying
- 31:53Speaker 1: off women on your behalf is highly disturbing, Wyden wrote.
- 31:56Speaker 1: I mean, he had Epstein reaching out to people in
- 31:58Speaker 1: the FSB over in Russia to intimidate people. Like, for real?
- 32:06Speaker 1: I don't think the issue is going to go away,
- 32:08Speaker 1: Stan Kola, a Dartmouth graduate who worked at the college
- 32:11Speaker 1: in development and alumni relations for 20 years before retiring
- 32:15Speaker 1: in 2005, said in a phone interview. We can see
- 32:19Speaker 1: how it's going to play out in Congress. There are
- 32:21Speaker 1: people on both sides of the aisle who want this
- 32:23Speaker 1: to be dealt with in a public way. Cola spent
- 32:27Speaker 1: two years working on the Crisis Hotline for WISE, a
- 32:30Speaker 1: Lebanon-based organization that advocates for victims of domestic and sexual violence.
- 32:36Speaker 1: The Epstein investigation dovetails with efforts to end sexual assaults
- 32:40Speaker 1: on the Dartmouth campus and in society at large, he said.
- 32:44Speaker 1: I know how much of this issue matters, Cola said,
- 32:48Speaker 1: for the women involved. who are asking for support, he added,
- 32:52Speaker 1: it seems to me that the college ought to be
- 32:53Speaker 1: out in front. That would be a great idea, but
- 32:56Speaker 1: it's all about money, not people. Even when we're talking
- 33:00Speaker 1: about these universities, and I think that much is clear.
- 33:08Speaker 1: Custer was silent for 40 years about her own experience
- 33:11Speaker 1: at Dartmouth and began to speak out after it became
- 33:14Speaker 1: clear that little had changed since she was a student.
- 33:18Speaker 1: I realized at the time that my generation's silence made
- 33:21Speaker 1: us complicit, she said. She founded Congress Bipartisan Task Force
- 33:25Speaker 1: to end sexual violence and has been engaged in efforts
- 33:28Speaker 1: at Dartmouth and in New Hampshire on the issue. I'm
- 33:32Speaker 1: disappointed that it's taken this long to address the concerns
- 33:35Speaker 1: that have been raised, Custer said. We should have a
- 33:38Speaker 1: higher standard. And I agree with that, they should. There's
- 33:43Speaker 1: no way in hell that Leon Black's name should be
- 33:45Speaker 1: on that building. But that said... I don't think they're
- 33:48Speaker 1: going to be successful. And I think that Leon Black's
- 33:51Speaker 1: name is going to remain on that building because at
- 33:54Speaker 1: the end of the day, you have to remember that
- 33:56Speaker 1: these universities are a business. And when it comes to businesses,
- 34:00Speaker 1: you already know it's always profits over people. All the
- 34:06Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
- 34:09Speaker 1: the description box. here on the show, we're going to
- 34:13Speaker 1: talk about the Kennedy School at Harvard and how the
- 34:18Speaker 1: fellows who are linked to the people in question, we're
- 34:24Speaker 1: talking the Dubins and the Wexners of the world, how
- 34:27Speaker 1: they're presented with a bit of a dilemma, right? The
- 34:29Speaker 1: people who have been endowed, the people who have accepted
- 34:32Speaker 1: the scholarships and the names of those people, now they
- 34:35Speaker 1: have a bit of a moral dilemma on their hands.
- 34:37Speaker 1: So we're going to jump into this article from the
- 34:39Speaker 1: Harvard Crimson And the headline is, For Kennedy School Fellows,
- 34:44Speaker 1: Epstein-Link Donors Present a Moral Dilemma. This article was authored
- 34:49Speaker 1: by Michelle G. Carrilla and Emma R. Schumer. When students
- 34:55Speaker 1: are selected for the Dubin Graduate Fellowship for Emerging Leaders
- 34:59Speaker 1: at the Harvard Kennedy School Center for Public Leadership, they
- 35:02Speaker 1: make a commitment to effect positive change on the world. Yeah,
- 35:06Speaker 1: Glenn Dubin certainly did that, huh? He's just such a
- 35:08Speaker 1: positive guy, such a great influence on the world. The
- 35:12Speaker 1: guy's an absolute POS, in my opinion. The guy is
- 35:16Speaker 1: an absolute piece of shit, in my opinion. What we've
- 35:22Speaker 1: heard about him from Virginia, what we've heard about him
- 35:25Speaker 1: with the Swedish girl in his kitchen and his living room,
- 35:28Speaker 1: the creepy ties to Jeffrey Epstein, what more do you need?
- 35:32Speaker 1: This guy is obviously a creepy SOB. Endowed by billionaire
- 35:37Speaker 1: donor Glenn R. Dubin in 2010, the fellowship offers financial
- 35:41Speaker 1: scholarships and a co-curricular program to a handful of students
- 35:45Speaker 1: each year who have shown strong character, academic excellence, and
- 35:50Speaker 1: the ability to thrive and lead in the face of adversity,
- 35:53Speaker 1: according to the fellowship's website. I mean, for real, you
- 35:57Speaker 1: can't write this stuff. So all of the things that
- 35:59Speaker 1: Glenn Dubin is not, that's what he's supporting with his fellowship?
- 36:06Speaker 1: So go be everything that I'm not, please, because Glenn
- 36:09Speaker 1: Dubin is none of those things. He doesn't have strong character.
- 36:12Speaker 1: Academic excellence, I have no idea. Maybe he was smart
- 36:14Speaker 1: in school. I have no idea. The ability to thrive
- 36:17Speaker 1: and lead in the face of adversity. Well, you didn't
- 36:19Speaker 1: leave or thrive in the face of adversity. You took
- 36:22Speaker 1: a step back and you were forced out of your company.
- 36:24Speaker 1: You left your financial company, your investment firm, and you're
- 36:30Speaker 1: on the run. So what do you mean? ability to
- 36:33Speaker 1: thrive and lead in the face of adversity. You don't
- 36:35Speaker 1: have any of these character traits. This year's incoming and
- 36:41Speaker 1: outgoing classes of Dubin Fellows expected to focus their efforts
- 36:45Speaker 1: on academics and extracurriculars working to fulfill that mission. Instead,
- 36:49Speaker 1: some found themselves investing outsized energy into a campaign to
- 36:53Speaker 1: sever their fellowship's ties to its benefactor, who maintained a
- 36:57Speaker 1: decades-long rapport with the deceased financier, pedophile, and convicted sex
- 37:02Speaker 1: offender Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, imagine being one of these
- 37:08Speaker 1: kids who worked really hard for one of these fellowships,
- 37:11Speaker 1: one of these grants, one of these sort of endowments,
- 37:13Speaker 1: and then you get it after all that hard work,
- 37:16Speaker 1: and it happens to be from Glenn Dubin, and all
- 37:18Speaker 1: of this starts to occur, and now you have to
- 37:21Speaker 1: answer questions about how you're related to Dubin, etc., etc. Again,
- 37:25Speaker 1: people like Dubin do not care about the fallout. They
- 37:28Speaker 1: don't care about any of it. They can go home
- 37:30Speaker 1: and swim around in their billions like Scrooge McDuck and
- 37:34Speaker 1: just ride everything out and wait for the storm to pass.
- 37:37Speaker 1: These kids, on the other hand, well, now their name
- 37:40Speaker 1: is forever attached to Glenn Dubin and via Glenn Dubin
- 37:45Speaker 1: attached to Jeffrey Epstein. I know if I was one
- 37:48Speaker 1: of these kids' parents, I would be so mad by
- 37:51Speaker 1: this kind of shit. None of us expected to have
- 37:56Speaker 1: a year filled with scandal and a year filled with
- 37:58Speaker 1: this level of internal organizing, Dubin fellow and master in
- 38:02Speaker 1: public policy candidate Rebecca M. Murr said. We're just a
- 38:05Speaker 1: few of many, many students who are incredibly concerned and
- 38:09Speaker 1: upset about HKS, Harvard Kennedy Schools, ties to donors who
- 38:13Speaker 1: are closely tied to Epstein. Dubin is not the only
- 38:18Speaker 1: donor to the center who had a relationship with Epstein.
- 38:22Speaker 1: Billionaire Leslie H. Wexner, who also endows a fellowship at
- 38:26Speaker 1: the center, engaged Epstein as a financial advisor beginning in
- 38:29Speaker 1: the late 1980s. Boy, that is just talk about just
- 38:33Speaker 1: scratching the surface, huh? Les Wexner is so much more
- 38:37Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Epstein than just a financial advisor, just a
- 38:40Speaker 1: money man. That is not... That is not what their
- 38:44Speaker 1: relationship was. If you really look at their relationship, they
- 38:48Speaker 1: were much closer. I'm talking Sith-level master and apprentice type shit.
- 38:55Speaker 1: All right? Darth Sidious and Darth Vader kind of nonsense,
- 38:58Speaker 1: in my opinion. And anyone who lets Wexner off the hook,
- 39:02Speaker 1: anybody who does not ask the hard questions, anybody who
- 39:05Speaker 1: does not hold him up to the same standard that
- 39:08Speaker 1: we'd hold up anyone else to, well, I don't even
- 39:11Speaker 1: know what to say to you. Like John McClane would
- 39:14Speaker 1: say in Die Hard, if you're not part of the
- 39:17Speaker 1: effing solution, you're part of the effing problem. Roughly a
- 39:23Speaker 1: dozen Kennedy School students, including four current Dubin Fellows, denounced
- 39:27Speaker 1: the Kennedy School's support for donors. who had relationships with
- 39:31Speaker 1: Epstein and interviews with the Crimson. Many also criticized the
- 39:35Speaker 1: Kennedy School for not acknowledging those ties or for inadequately
- 39:42Speaker 1: addressing students' concerns. And again, if you pay this money
- 39:46Speaker 1: to go to a school like this, you get a
- 39:48Speaker 1: scholarship to a school like Harvard, you expect to walk
- 39:51Speaker 1: onto that campus and you expect it to be no nonsense,
- 39:53Speaker 1: no frills, no BS. I'm here to learn. I'm here
- 39:56Speaker 1: to get my $ 500, 000 worth. And I know if it
- 40:00Speaker 1: was my kid and I was coming out of my pocket,
- 40:02Speaker 1: that's exactly what I would expect. But no. Now these
- 40:06Speaker 1: kids have to deal with all of this nonsense. They
- 40:09Speaker 1: have to deal with all of the Jeffrey Epstein fallout,
- 40:11Speaker 1: all because Harvard is such a den of scum and villainy.
- 40:21Speaker 1: Students who receive funding from the donors said Harvard has
- 40:23Speaker 1: put them in a thorny situation. They now weigh the
- 40:26Speaker 1: value of a Harvard education, which some would not have
- 40:29Speaker 1: access to if not for donors' financial support, against their
- 40:33Speaker 1: moral opposition to the individuals who provide that funding. It
- 40:37Speaker 1: wouldn't even be a question for me, honestly. I would
- 40:39Speaker 1: never accept funding from these people. I don't care... If
- 40:42Speaker 1: it's to go to Harvard or not, I'd go to
- 40:43Speaker 1: a different school. I'd find funding somewhere else. If you're
- 40:46Speaker 1: getting funding and you're being accepted to Harvard, you will
- 40:49Speaker 1: be accepted to other schools that don't have this stink
- 40:51Speaker 1: on them. And I know it's unfortunate to have to
- 40:54Speaker 1: say that, but it's the truth. I don't even understand
- 40:57Speaker 1: how anyone could be comfortable having their kids even loosely
- 41:02Speaker 1: related to these people. Several Dubin fellows characterized the situation
- 41:08Speaker 1: as ironic. Alluding to the Kennedy School's description of their fellowship,
- 41:12Speaker 1: the fellow said Harvard selected them due to their ability
- 41:15Speaker 1: to show leadership when faced with difficult circumstances. But this
- 41:19Speaker 1: past year, as students mobilized around ethical concerns about their
- 41:23Speaker 1: school's indirect ties to Epstein, they said they believe Harvard
- 41:26Speaker 1: itself failed to demonstrate that quality. Again, it's another case
- 41:30Speaker 1: of do as I say, not as I do. And
- 41:32Speaker 1: we see it not only from financial institutions, we see
- 41:35Speaker 1: it from the banks, we see it from politicians, and
- 41:37Speaker 1: we see it from just about everybody in a leadership position.
- 41:41Speaker 1: All of these people fake the funk. They talk the talk,
- 41:44Speaker 1: but never walk the walk. After new information about Epstein's
- 41:50Speaker 1: activities began to surface with his July 2019 arrest, reports
- 41:55Speaker 1: of Harvard donors' ties to Epstein sparked a tumultuous year
- 41:58Speaker 1: at the Center for Public Leadership. After Epstein was convicted
- 42:02Speaker 1: of procuring sex with a minor in Florida State Court
- 42:05Speaker 1: in 2008, he and Dubin continued to maintain friendly ties. Yeah,
- 42:09Speaker 1: so friendly that Epstein was invited to Thanksgiving dinner at
- 42:12Speaker 1: the Dubin's house after he got out of prison, with
- 42:14Speaker 1: Dubin's little kids around. In my opinion, Dubin has a
- 42:20Speaker 1: few screws loose. In 2010, Dubin donated $ 5 million to
- 42:27Speaker 1: the Kennedy School to establish his his eponymous fellowship at
- 42:32Speaker 1: the Center for Public Leadership. Wexner and his wife, Abigail S. Wexner, meanwhile,
- 42:38Speaker 1: are the founding benefactors of the Center. In addition to
- 42:41Speaker 1: financially backing the Center's Wexner Israel Fellowship, Wexner donated more
- 42:46Speaker 1: than $ 42 million to the Kennedy School prior to 2012.
- 42:49Speaker 1: One building at the Kennedy School is named for him.
- 42:53Speaker 1: Since then, he too has come under scrutiny for his
- 42:56Speaker 1: ties to Epstein. Again, Just his ties to Epstein, huh?
- 43:01Speaker 1: That's it? Nothing else? The legacy media is an absolute
- 43:07Speaker 1: dumpster fire. I don't know how many times I have
- 43:09Speaker 1: to say it, and I feel like I'm beating a
- 43:12Speaker 1: dead horse at this point, but, I mean, come on.
- 43:16Speaker 1: All it takes is just a little scratch beneath the
- 43:18Speaker 1: surface to see that the ties between Wexner and Jeffrey
- 43:21Speaker 1: Epstein go much deeper than his financial advisor. Darth Sidious,
- 43:28Speaker 1: Darth Vader, That's the kind of evil we're talking about
- 43:32Speaker 1: with these two, in my opinion. Epstein served as Wexner's
- 43:37Speaker 1: financial advisor, facilitating a donation that funded the construction of
- 43:41Speaker 1: Harvard Hallel. Wexner was one of Epstein's only known clients. Well,
- 43:47Speaker 1: you can guarantee that any statement being made by the
- 43:48Speaker 1: Wexner camp is a lie, in my opinion. Anything that
- 43:50Speaker 1: they talk about is BS. They've never answered any of
- 43:52Speaker 1: the hard questions. They've obfuscated and they've kicked the can
- 43:55Speaker 1: down the road in hopes that the public would lose
- 43:57Speaker 1: interest in this case. Mr. Wexner has condemned Jeffrey Epstein's
- 44:18Speaker 1: abhorrent behavior in the strongest possible terms and severed all
- 44:22Speaker 1: ties with him more than a decade ago, he wrote. Yeah, okay, well,
- 44:26Speaker 1: how much did Jeffrey Epstein supposedly steal from you, Mr. Wexner?
- 44:29Speaker 1: Why don't you donate that money to a survivor's fund
- 44:32Speaker 1: and let the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein get pieced off?
- 44:36Speaker 1: Put your money where your mouth is. But again, we
- 44:38Speaker 1: don't see that from these people. It's all talk and
- 44:42Speaker 1: never any walk. Earlier this year, the New York Times
- 44:47Speaker 1: reported Wexner failed to address inappropriate conduct and a culture
- 44:51Speaker 1: of misogyny inside L Brands, the parent company of Victoria's Secret.
- 44:55Speaker 1: Following the reports, Wexner stepped down as chairman and chief
- 44:59Speaker 1: operating officer nearly six decades after he started the retail company.
- 45:04Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute, folks. It's because of
- 45:05Speaker 1: your pressure, all of your pressure, that this disgusting man
- 45:10Speaker 1: who had been at the helm for 60 years was
- 45:13Speaker 1: forced to step down. And I know it's not... an indictment.
- 45:17Speaker 1: I know it's not a prosecution, but it's a start.
- 45:21Speaker 1: And to get where you're going, you always have to
- 45:24Speaker 1: have a starting spot, right? So that's the starting spot.
- 45:29Speaker 1: And the destination is all of them being locked up.
- 45:32Speaker 1: But every great adventure starts with one step, Kennedy School
- 45:38Speaker 1: students said in interviews they were frustrated to learn about
- 45:41Speaker 1: donor controversies through the media while their school's administration remained
- 45:45Speaker 1: largely silent on the issue. Though both Wexner and Dubin
- 45:48Speaker 1: have denounced Epstein, students continue to protest those donors' relationships
- 45:53Speaker 1: to Harvard. Throughout the past academic year, Dubin's fellows entered
- 45:57Speaker 1: into private conversations with senior administrators at the Kennedy School
- 46:01Speaker 1: and Center to discuss their concerns regarding donor relations, according
- 46:05Speaker 1: to four fellows. What needs to happen is no more,
- 46:10Speaker 1: quote unquote, internal investigations. It needs to be an independent
- 46:13Speaker 1: group that looks into this kind of thing. And that
- 46:16Speaker 1: way they're not biased. And we get basically an unredacted report, right?
- 46:22Speaker 1: The real, not the stuff that they're going to hide
- 46:24Speaker 1: because it's an internal report and they don't want to
- 46:26Speaker 1: look bad. An actual outside independent group doing this. Dubin
- 46:34Speaker 1: fellow and master of public policy candidate Catherine Miller characterized
- 46:37Speaker 1: those conversations as frustrating. She said she was not at
- 46:41Speaker 1: liberty to disclose details of the meetings due to administrators'
- 46:44Speaker 1: requests that they be kept confidential. These people love to
- 46:48Speaker 1: keep shit confidential, right? They think if they keep it
- 46:50Speaker 1: confidential and hidden with NDAs and all that other jazz,
- 46:54Speaker 1: that you'll never hear about it. Well, they're wrong. This
- 46:56Speaker 1: day and age, it's going to leak. People are going
- 46:59Speaker 1: to hear about it. The Center and the Kennedy School
- 47:03Speaker 1: have not publicly acknowledged their donor ties to Epstein or
- 47:06Speaker 1: students' concerns. Of course they haven't. They're a bunch of cowards.
- 47:11Speaker 1: Kennedy School spokesperson James F. Smith wrote in an emailed
- 47:15Speaker 1: statement that Wexner and Dubin's financial contributions have benefited the
- 47:19Speaker 1: Kennedy School. He also noted that Kennedy School Dean Douglas W.
- 47:23Speaker 1: Elmendorf and Center for Public Leadership Director Wendy R. Sherman
- 47:28Speaker 1: have participated in discussions with Kennedy School affiliates, including students,
- 47:33Speaker 1: about the donations. Well, pack it in, folks. No more
- 47:36Speaker 1: investigations are needed from us. We don't need to comment anymore. They're,
- 47:40Speaker 1: you know, they're having discussions. They're including the students and
- 47:44Speaker 1: it's about the donations. So the rest of us should
- 47:46Speaker 1: just shut up about things. That's what they would want.
- 47:49Speaker 1: That's what they want us to do. But in reality,
- 47:51Speaker 1: that's never going to happen. Their donations have enabled Harvard
- 47:55Speaker 1: Kennedy School to provide hundreds of student scholarships, hire additional faculty,
- 48:00Speaker 1: and transform the physical campus for the 21st century learning.
- 48:04Speaker 1: Smith wrote, this support has significantly advanced our mission of
- 48:07Speaker 1: educating future generations of principled and effective public leaders. How
- 48:13Speaker 1: tone deaf. I mean, are you kidding me right now?
- 48:16Speaker 1: Are you kidding me right now? This guy is an
- 48:19Speaker 1: absolute clown. Wow. For them, it's all about the money.
- 48:24Speaker 1: They don't care about Wexner and they don't care about
- 48:26Speaker 1: Dubin or anyone like that. If they had it their way,
- 48:30Speaker 1: they would still accept money from people like this. They
- 48:32Speaker 1: just keep it on the hush. Though the Kennedy School
- 48:38Speaker 1: continues to argue in favor of the gift's utility, students
- 48:41Speaker 1: have questioned the status of the school's current relationships with
- 48:44Speaker 1: their donors in light of recent events. In February, Harvard
- 48:49Speaker 1: removed Dubin's and Wexner's names from a university website, listing
- 48:54Speaker 1: the members of the center's advisory council. Wexner co-chaired the
- 48:58Speaker 1: advisory council with his wife, whose name has also been removed.
- 49:02Speaker 1: Dubin's name was also scratched from the Kennedy School's Dean
- 49:05Speaker 1: Executive Board. And again, for people like this to lose
- 49:12Speaker 1: board seats and to have to step back from companies
- 49:15Speaker 1: and to have egg on their face, et cetera, et cetera.
- 49:17Speaker 1: It's the worst thing that could happen to them besides
- 49:19Speaker 1: going to prison. They have plenty of money to lose.
- 49:22Speaker 1: They don't care if they lose a lawsuit and got
- 49:23Speaker 1: to pay something out. But when they lose their so-called credibility,
- 49:27Speaker 1: their public facade is broken and they and people really
- 49:30Speaker 1: see that the king really isn't wearing any clothes. Well,
- 49:33Speaker 1: that that, my friends, is a big problem to these
- 49:36Speaker 1: so-called power brokers. At the time, Kennedy School students said
- 49:43Speaker 1: they were unsure what the disappearance of the donors' names
- 49:47Speaker 1: from the boards meant about Harvard's relationship to them. A
- 49:50Speaker 1: Kennedy School spokesperson told the Crimson in March that Dubin
- 49:54Speaker 1: and Wexner's departures were routine. Of course it was. So folks,
- 49:58Speaker 1: you see what's going on here, right? You can read
- 50:00Speaker 1: between the lines. Harvard is still covering up what they did.
- 50:03Speaker 1: They're still making excuses about it. And they're not contrite.
- 50:07Speaker 1: They don't have any compassion for the survivors. They don't care.
- 50:13Speaker 1: Around the same time, the center sent an email to
- 50:15Speaker 1: fellowship applicants encouraging them to vet the donors who fund
- 50:19Speaker 1: their prospective programs. Several Dubin fellows also said this academic
- 50:24Speaker 1: year marked the first time Dubin did not arrange an
- 50:27Speaker 1: in-person meeting with the students enrolled in his fellowship. They
- 50:31Speaker 1: added that they believe the Epstein controversy precipitated the change.
- 50:35Speaker 1: Hell yeah, it did. Look, don't let anybody tell you
- 50:39Speaker 1: that it wasn't the pressure that you put on over
- 50:42Speaker 1: Epstein that has all of these people on their heels.
- 50:45Speaker 1: It wasn't the legacy media. It wasn't Julie K. Brown.
- 50:49Speaker 1: It was you, all of the people that are enraged
- 50:52Speaker 1: about what's going on and running around with their hair
- 50:55Speaker 1: on fire daily over the treatment of not only the survivors,
- 51:00Speaker 1: but over the treatment of the justice system as a whole. Still,
- 51:08Speaker 1: Dubin's spokesperson, Davidson Golden, wrote in an emailed statement to
- 51:11Speaker 1: the Crimson that the Dubins remain committed to the fellowship.
- 51:15Speaker 1: The Dubin Graduate Fellowship for Emerging Leaders was established over
- 51:19Speaker 1: a decade ago and remains an important focus of the
- 51:22Speaker 1: Dubin's philanthropy, he wrote. Current fellows said they understand that
- 51:26Speaker 1: the fellowship's funding may dry up within the next two years.
- 51:29Speaker 1: A spokesperson for Dubin did not respond to a question
- 51:33Speaker 1: asking whether Dubin will provide another donation to continue the
- 51:36Speaker 1: fellowship when it runs out of money. Why would you
- 51:40Speaker 1: want him to? As Harvard, why would you want more
- 51:43Speaker 1: money from this guy? You're telling me that there aren't
- 51:47Speaker 1: any other rich people that would love to give these
- 51:49Speaker 1: people an endowment? And furthermore, how much is Harvard pulling
- 51:53Speaker 1: in anyway right now? I'm sure it's in the billions.
- 52:03Speaker 1: Several Dubin Fellows said revelations about their donors' relationship with
- 52:06Speaker 1: Epstein have had a negative impact on them personally. They
- 52:09Speaker 1: also criticized the Kennedy School for not being forthcoming about
- 52:13Speaker 1: their donors' ties to Epstein. Dubin Fellow and Master in
- 52:17Speaker 1: Public Policy candidate Mike Yeaps said that as a survivor
- 52:21Speaker 1: of sexual assault, Harvard's relationships to donors with Epstein's ties
- 52:25Speaker 1: have created a very difficult dilemma internally for him. What's
- 52:29Speaker 1: been very difficult for me is navigating this dichotomy of
- 52:33Speaker 1: being a survivor myself and then having the benefit of
- 52:36Speaker 1: a full ride, but a full ride given to me
- 52:38Speaker 1: by someone who, regardless of whether or not we know
- 52:41Speaker 1: what happened with Dubin specifically, has had a relationship with Epstein,
- 52:45Speaker 1: who was a convicted sex offender, Yep said. I could
- 52:48Speaker 1: definitely see that kind of moral balancing act, right? You're
- 52:52Speaker 1: a survivor, and then you get this endowment from Glenn Dubin,
- 52:56Speaker 1: and he has all of these questions swirling around him, etc., etc.
- 53:00Speaker 1: That must be a gut shot for this guy. Heaps
- 53:05Speaker 1: added that the onus should be on Harvard, not him
- 53:08Speaker 1: or any other individual student, to vet donors 100%. It
- 53:12Speaker 1: is up to Harvard to vet these donors. Don't put
- 53:15Speaker 1: that on these kids. these students. Let them focus on school.
- 53:19Speaker 1: Let them focus on what they're there for. It's not
- 53:21Speaker 1: their job to vet their donors, Harvard. The responsibility to
- 53:27Speaker 1: find donors who can support those students, one of whom
- 53:31Speaker 1: I am, is Harvard's and not mine as an individual,
- 53:34Speaker 1: he said. It is their responsibility to routinely vet donors
- 53:38Speaker 1: and seek out new donors when questionable situations arise. Again,
- 53:43Speaker 1: people want to donate to Harvard. Come on, folks. Dubin's
- 53:47Speaker 1: relationship with Epstein has led Dubin Fellows to conceal their
- 53:50Speaker 1: fellowship's connections with its benefactor. Imagine how it makes me
- 53:55Speaker 1: so aggravated, so aggravated that Harvard would still be in
- 53:58Speaker 1: bed with this guy. Dubin Fellow and Master in Public
- 54:01Speaker 1: Policy candidate Joshua Baltadano said he has updated his LinkedIn
- 54:06Speaker 1: profile to omit mention of Dubin from the fellowship title.
- 54:10Speaker 1: I definitely don't tell people I'm a Dubin Fellow anymore,
- 54:13Speaker 1: he said. It is disappointing to be referred to as
- 54:16Speaker 1: a Dubin emerging leader fellow because my emerging leadership didn't
- 54:20Speaker 1: come from supporting partnerships with sex offenders, Yeaps said. It
- 54:23Speaker 1: came from being a survivor who has fought for justice. Man, honestly,
- 54:28Speaker 1: I feel for this Mr. Yeaps. This is a shit
- 54:32Speaker 1: situation to be in, man. You have your dreams and
- 54:34Speaker 1: your goals all right there in front of you. And
- 54:36Speaker 1: then to find out that Dubin is such a sicko.
- 54:39Speaker 1: that Dubin had such a relationship with Epstein, and add
- 54:42Speaker 1: to it, on top of all of that, what he's
- 54:44Speaker 1: being accused of by Virginia Roberts? Man, I can't even imagine.
- 54:50Speaker 1: Miller said she believes the Kennedy School failed to show
- 54:52Speaker 1: leadership from the time media reports surfaced of Dubin's ties
- 54:56Speaker 1: to Epstein. We found out not through the Center for
- 54:59Speaker 1: Public Leadership, not through Glenn Dubin, but through watching the
- 55:03Speaker 1: news just like everyone else, Miller said. I think that
- 55:07Speaker 1: that has mirrored largely how the administration foreshadowed how the
- 55:10Speaker 1: administration was going to see and handle this issue and
- 55:14Speaker 1: that they have not really been proactive in identifying this
- 55:17Speaker 1: as a problem or an issue that's very salient to
- 55:20Speaker 1: us and merits our involvement. Because the university thinks it's
- 55:24Speaker 1: a big joke. Harvard University is a disgrace. They're an
- 55:27Speaker 1: absolute disgrace. I don't take anything that comes out of
- 55:30Speaker 1: Harvard seriously at this point. And it's unfortunate because there
- 55:34Speaker 1: are a lot of very smart, very intelligent leaders of
- 55:36Speaker 1: tomorrow within their walls. But what sort of education are
- 55:40Speaker 1: they getting? What sort of people are they being brought around?
- 55:45Speaker 1: This is almost too much, folks. A seat at the table.
- 55:51Speaker 1: At the center of student outcry against ties to Wexner
- 55:54Speaker 1: and Dubin has been uncertainty regarding what vetting process, if any,
- 55:59Speaker 1: Harvard conducts of its donors. Until recently, the university's guidelines
- 56:04Speaker 1: for prospective donors were shrouded in secrecy, but a recent
- 56:07Speaker 1: report released on May 1st shed new light on the
- 56:10Speaker 1: university's ties to Epstein and its gift policies, and has
- 56:14Speaker 1: prompted Harvard to develop more stringent guidelines. So why was
- 56:19Speaker 1: it shrouded in secrecy in the first place? right? It
- 56:21Speaker 1: should be pretty straightforward. You're a donor. We're a school.
- 56:25Speaker 1: Here's the paperwork. Have a great day, sir. Why does
- 56:28Speaker 1: everything have to be shrouded in mystery? Why does everything
- 56:31Speaker 1: have to be obfuscated when it comes to these people?
- 56:34Speaker 1: Nothing is ever on the up and up. Nothing is
- 56:36Speaker 1: ever as it seems. And that is why you must
- 56:40Speaker 1: read between the lines. University President Lawrence S. Bacow, who
- 56:49Speaker 1: has received that letter from Dr. DeLay, requested a review
- 56:53Speaker 1: of Epstein's donations in September 2019 after a partial financial
- 56:59Speaker 1: review revealed he made significant donations to Harvard. Led by
- 57:04Speaker 1: Harvard's Office of the General Counsel and the outside law
- 57:06Speaker 1: firm Foley Hoag, the full review found Epstein donated around $ 9. 1
- 57:12Speaker 1: million between 1998 and 2008, and that Harvard did not
- 57:17Speaker 1: take any gifts from Epstein following his 2008 conviction. I
- 57:22Speaker 1: don't buy that either. How many Gucci bags were dropped off?
- 57:26Speaker 1: How many Versace bags were dropped off stuffed with cash?
- 57:31Speaker 1: Because remember... We're talking about Jeffrey Epstein here, money manipulator,
- 57:35Speaker 1: money launderer, money trafficker, human trafficker, and all-around sleazebag. The
- 57:43Speaker 1: report also furnished a set of recommendations the university will
- 57:46Speaker 1: act upon immediately, according to Bacow. One of those recommendations
- 57:52Speaker 1: states that its gift policy committee, a group of faculty
- 57:55Speaker 1: and administrators tasked with reviewing prospective donations, should create a
- 57:59Speaker 1: comprehensive university-wide process for vetting donors and share it with
- 58:04Speaker 1: faculty and staff. Yeah, that might be a good idea, right?
- 58:07Speaker 1: What is this, national security? What, are you guys worried
- 58:10Speaker 1: that Yale's going to come over and steal your policy
- 58:13Speaker 1: or something? Stop it, Harvard. Just stop. That process, the
- 58:21Speaker 1: report recommends, would include identifying triggering criteria to avoid certain
- 58:26Speaker 1: gifts and donors. The criteria might include the gift size,
- 58:30Speaker 1: a donor's lack of prior connection to Harvard, any known
- 58:33Speaker 1: concerns about a prospective donor's actions, including criminal record, and
- 58:38Speaker 1: any negative information found in the news media the report reads.
- 58:42Speaker 1: Neither Dubin nor Wexner are mentioned in the report, which
- 58:45Speaker 1: focused on Epstein's direct donations to Harvard. Yeah, of course not.
- 58:49Speaker 1: Epstein's gone. They don't mind smashing that cash cow, but
- 58:51Speaker 1: they're not going to slap Dubin in the face. They're
- 58:53Speaker 1: not going to slap Wexner in the face. Of course not.
- 58:56Speaker 1: Those are cash cows and they can't get rid of
- 58:58Speaker 1: them because I'm sure on the back end, Harvard is
- 59:01Speaker 1: still profiting from their relationships with these people. Though the
- 59:10Speaker 1: review also examined gifts Epstein directed and facilitated, the final
- 59:16Speaker 1: report did not detail every gift made to the university
- 59:19Speaker 1: in which donors may have had an association to Epstein.
- 59:23Speaker 1: Of course it didn't. They used a friendly law firm
- 59:26Speaker 1: to look into them, to do an investigation into themselves,
- 59:29Speaker 1: and this is the result. It's no different than when
- 59:32Speaker 1: you see the inspector general do an investigation. It never
- 59:36Speaker 1: has any teeth, right? You're investigating yourself, the guys you're
- 59:40Speaker 1: playing golf with on the weekends, for God's sake. Several
- 59:44Speaker 1: Kennedy School students said they hope to see more student
- 59:47Speaker 1: involvement in the drafting of donor guidelines. I think we
- 59:50Speaker 1: would love to see greater student involvement in the gift
- 59:52Speaker 1: policy committee and the creation of a robust gifts policy. Murr,
- 59:57Speaker 1: one of the Dubin fellows, said, I see that as
- 1:00:00Speaker 1: coming out of this report, but I do not see
- 1:00:02Speaker 1: any mechanism for student involvement in that process. Miller also
- 1:00:06Speaker 1: said she believes students should have a voice in university
- 1:00:09Speaker 1: decisions regarding donor guidelines. She said students would bring an
- 1:00:13Speaker 1: important moral perspective to those discussions, whereas administrators might prioritize
- 1:00:18Speaker 1: the financial prosperity of their programs. That's a great point.
- 1:00:23Speaker 1: Let's mix it up. Let's have student and faculty involved.
- 1:00:27Speaker 1: I don't see what the problem is. I do, but
- 1:00:31Speaker 1: Harvard obviously doesn't want to relinquish the power, right? That
- 1:00:35Speaker 1: is really what it comes down to. It boils down
- 1:00:37Speaker 1: to the power. And in any institution like this, it's
- 1:00:40Speaker 1: all about the power. Those in power never want to
- 1:00:45Speaker 1: relinquish it to those who do not have power. And
- 1:00:47Speaker 1: that's the age old struggle that we find ourselves in,
- 1:00:50Speaker 1: in the world, nevermind at Harvard, but it's the battle
- 1:00:53Speaker 1: that we find ourselves in against the elite. They are
- 1:00:55Speaker 1: never going to see this power willingly. We're going to
- 1:00:58Speaker 1: have to force it out of their hands. I've, I
- 1:01:06Speaker 1: think that students can really bring a moral standard to it,
- 1:01:09Speaker 1: she said. We're the Dubin Fellows, you know, that is
- 1:01:11Speaker 1: part of our lives forever. We are forever to a
- 1:01:14Speaker 1: degree separated from Jeffrey Epstein. I think just having that
- 1:01:18Speaker 1: seat at the table when it comes to making these
- 1:01:20Speaker 1: decisions can go a long way, she added. Ultimately, Miller
- 1:01:25Speaker 1: said she would like to see Harvard more fully confront
- 1:01:27Speaker 1: its relationship to those tied to Epstein and to Epstein himself. Epstein,
- 1:01:34Speaker 1: Epstein used Harvard ties to basically absolve himself of the
- 1:01:38Speaker 1: crime that he had committed and ingratiate himself back into society,
- 1:01:42Speaker 1: she said. That was his play, and he used Harvard
- 1:01:46Speaker 1: to do it. Not just Harvard, he used all of
- 1:01:49Speaker 1: these people to do it. All of those people who
- 1:01:52Speaker 1: he was shaking hands with on the wall in Zorro
- 1:01:54Speaker 1: Ranch while he was raping Jane Doe 15, you're all enablers,
- 1:01:58Speaker 1: you're all complicit, okay? Anybody that was piggybacked and used
- 1:02:02Speaker 1: as a vehicle and a conduit for him to get
- 1:02:04Speaker 1: back into so-called civil, polite society, you're part of the problem.
- 1:02:15Speaker 1: She argued through the dube and fellowship that place still
- 1:02:18Speaker 1: may be happening. Harvard needs to reckon the extent to
- 1:02:21Speaker 1: which it was used, we were used, to better the
- 1:02:24Speaker 1: reputation of Jeffrey Epstein, she added. You know, look, the
- 1:02:29Speaker 1: Harvard Crimson has been doing some pretty good work when
- 1:02:31Speaker 1: it comes to covering this case as far as the
- 1:02:33Speaker 1: Harvard connections go. These are the students that are on campus.
- 1:02:37Speaker 1: These are the editors that are on campus. And these
- 1:02:39Speaker 1: are the journalists of tomorrow. And hopefully they're getting a
- 1:02:44Speaker 1: lesson here in this Jeffrey Epstein case. And they're learning
- 1:02:46Speaker 1: a lot about who their friends and who the enemies are.
- 1:02:51Speaker 1: And the enemies, my friends, are the so-called elite and
- 1:02:56Speaker 1: their minions and in the dumpster fire that we call
- 1:03:00Speaker 1: the legacy media. If you'd like to contact me, you
- 1:03:04Speaker 1: can do that at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com.
- 1:03:12Speaker 1: You can also find me on Twitter at