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The Kenny Report | 29 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight, Truth, propaganda, dreams and reality.
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  Speaker 3: I'll look at the Australian Labor Party's grand plans to
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  Speaker 3: save the planet and deliver peace in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: Energy expert Aidan Morrison will unpick the latest report on
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  Speaker 3: energy costings, and former Labor Minister Mike Kelly will discuss
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  Speaker 3: the anti Israeli stance coming from Anthony Albanezi and Bob Carr.
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  Speaker 3: Also Donald Trump in Scotland offering advice to the Europeans
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  Speaker 3: and an ultimatum to Vladimir Putin. Kristen Tate will share
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  Speaker 3: her analysis on all that. Also Tim Blair, Stephen Senna,
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  Speaker 3: Tiempo and Suzi O'Brien.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get cracking. So the pro.
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  Speaker 3: Palestinian mob, the anti israel mob, want to march across
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  Speaker 3: the Sydney Harbor Bridge. They were going to do it
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  Speaker 3: this Sunday, reckoning. It was going to be a little
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  Speaker 3: bit like this twenty five years ago when there was
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  Speaker 3: a bridgewalk for reconciliation.
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  Speaker 4: On the twenty eighth of May two thousand, more than
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  Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty thousand people, indigenous and non indigenous
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  Speaker 4: came together to walk across the Sydney Harbor Bridge for reconciliation.
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  Speaker 4: It was a day for healing and celebration. It was
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  Speaker 4: also the biggest political demonstration the country had ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the pro Palestinian mob reckon it would be a
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  Speaker 3: bit like that or a bit like that time more recently,
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  Speaker 3: when the iconic landmark was used again, this time for
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  Speaker 3: a World Pride event.
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  Speaker 2: On the Harbor Bridge.
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  Speaker 5: This morning Sydney was heaving with pride.
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  Speaker 2: Really emotional.
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  Speaker 5: It's here, it's amazing, closed in both directions, as the
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  Speaker 5: rainbow flag was carried from the north side to the city,
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  Speaker 5: dancing above Circular Key.
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  Speaker 3: And while a Pride march in Gaza would almost certainly
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  Speaker 3: end in death at the hands of the Hummas Islamist extremists,
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  Speaker 3: this sort of march is a legacy that the pro
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  Speaker 3: Palestinian mob are keen to leverage.
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  Speaker 2: Now the bridge is a hugely iconic symbol.
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  Speaker 6: So that's why we think it's a very important step,
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  Speaker 6: because we need to do whatever we can to try
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  Speaker 6: to stop this genocide.
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  Speaker 2: Really march for humanity.
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  Speaker 3: I think we know how pro Palestinian protests turn out,
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  Speaker 3: and they're hardly something worth showcasing on the world famous bridge. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: unity is the last thing this protest would foster. Remember,
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  Speaker 3: the reason the hateful mob turned up at the Opera
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  Speaker 3: House back in October twenty twenty three was because it
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  Speaker 3: was going to be the site of commemoration for more
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  Speaker 3: than twelve hundred massacred Israelis. The protesters were there to
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  Speaker 3: intimidate and keep away grieving Jewish Australians. And this hatred
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  Speaker 3: was out there long before Israel had fired so much as.
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  Speaker 2: One bullet in response.
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  Speaker 3: This was back when bodies were still being recovered and
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  Speaker 3: authorities were trying to work out who'd been kidnapped. The
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales premiere thankfully says the Harbor Bridge march
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  Speaker 3: won't happen, but in a weak argument. He hasn't objected
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  Speaker 3: to the intent of the protest. Rather, he's talked about
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  Speaker 3: practicalities and the lack of notice.
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  Speaker 6: If what they're saying is that they need more time
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  Speaker 6: to help us organize, and then of course we're happy
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  Speaker 6: to spend another week or whatever it will take.
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  Speaker 2: If they're genuine about that, Yeah, they'll be patient.
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  Speaker 3: This mob will take any opportunity they can get to
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  Speaker 3: cause havoc that block you just saw.
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  Speaker 2: He might appear familiar.
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  Speaker 3: His name is Josh Lees and he was leading the
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  Speaker 3: Sydney University pro Palestinian protests more than a year ago
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  Speaker 3: when I visited. His day job is with Red Flag,
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  Speaker 3: the publication of the Socialist Alternative, Australia's self proclaimed largest
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  Speaker 3: Marxist revolutionary group, and it seems Lees works almost full
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  Speaker 3: time on his pro Palestinian and anti Israeli cause. His
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  Speaker 3: latest article in Red Flag says Israel has turned Gaza
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  Speaker 3: into a killing field, with soldiers ordered to shoot starving
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  Speaker 3: civilians seeking aid. And he says Israeli soldiers shoot and
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  Speaker 3: torture Palestinians for fun, singing and dancing in line with
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  Speaker 3: their extreme ethno nationalist ideology in which they are the
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  Speaker 3: chosen people and Palestinians.
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  Speaker 2: And not even human beings. This is repugnant bile.
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  Speaker 3: These are putrid anti Israeli lies that fan the flames
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  Speaker 3: of anti Semitism. And this bloke is the main organizer
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  Speaker 3: of the pro Palestinian protests. He is a Marxist revolutionary
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  Speaker 3: intent on upending our capitalist society and the influence of
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  Speaker 3: other market economies like the US and Israel around the world.
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  Speaker 3: This mob are so extreme that they think Anthony Albanisi
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  Speaker 3: is too pro Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine that.
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  Speaker 3: Another article in Red Flag says that the fact Albo's
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  Speaker 3: latest Israel comments are his most strongly worded only shows
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  Speaker 3: what an absolute.
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  Speaker 2: Monster he is.
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  Speaker 3: Albo and absolute monster in the way he supports Israel,
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  Speaker 3: What lunatics. This is not some humanitarian push to liberate
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  Speaker 3: the people of Gaza. This is a mob led by
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  Speaker 3: the socialist alternative, self proclaimed Marxist revolutionaries who want to
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  Speaker 3: tear down Israel, Australia and the US, who oppose liberal
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  Speaker 3: market economies, and who are merely using the plight of
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  Speaker 3: the Palestinians and the ethno religious tensions of the Middle
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  Speaker 3: East to further their aims.
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  Speaker 2: Do not give them the harbor bridge. Ever, with the
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  Speaker 2: war in.
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  Speaker 3: Gaza continuing because Hummas is still refusing to accept the
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  Speaker 3: ceasefire ideal on offer, and Hummas is still refusing to
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  Speaker 3: hand over the hostages they still hold living and dead,
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  Speaker 3: and after Hummas attacks and aid distribution centers of course
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  Speaker 3: run why Israel and the US and those attacks have
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  Speaker 3: created uncertainty around aid delivery. While with all this unfolding
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  Speaker 3: international pressure is growing on Israel over claims of starvation
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  Speaker 3: in Gaza. This despite clear statements from the Israeli Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 3: Benjamin Netanyahoo that there is no starvation in Gaza because
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  Speaker 3: thousands upon thousands of tons of aid has been trucked
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  Speaker 3: and parachuted into.
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  Speaker 2: Gaza for month after month. But around the.
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  Speaker 3: World, people are not accepting the information coming from Israel.
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  Speaker 3: They are forming their views based on other sources.
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  Speaker 7: But we need to make sure that people who are innocent,
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  Speaker 7: including the young boy who people will have seen that
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  Speaker 7: image of just breaks your heart. A one year old
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  Speaker 7: boy is not a Hamas fighter.
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  Speaker 1: People in Britain are revolted at saying what they're seeing
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  Speaker 1: on their screens.
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  Speaker 8: Like everyone, I'm very distressed by the images I've seen.
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  Speaker 9: Some of those kids are that's real starvation stuff.
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  Speaker 10: I see it and you can't fake that.
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  Speaker 11: This young boy, there are various images of him.
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  Speaker 2: It has been very powerful. It clearly has stirred a
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  Speaker 2: lot of global reaction.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, how have these sort of images made you
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  Speaker 12: feel personally?
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's not just that image, but many of them
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  Speaker 7: just break your heart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Images, images are the reference point for so many world leaders.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, even the extreme left is now citing Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump as a truthteller on Gaza because of his response
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  Speaker 3: to the images. That's how surreal this debate has become. These,
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  Speaker 3: of course, are images that come out of Gaza, images
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  Speaker 3: approved in the main by Hummus, organized, approved and described
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  Speaker 3: by Hummas, part of the terrorist group's active propaganda machine.
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  Speaker 3: And this propaganda push has seen many people refer to
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  Speaker 3: this image, this harrowing image of one year old Muhammad Almatuk.
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  Speaker 2: But as I.
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  Speaker 3: Explained here last night, this poor little boy suffers from
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  Speaker 3: cerebral palsy and other conditions, a terrible plight, of course,
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  Speaker 3: especially in a war zone. But it's not a simple
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  Speaker 3: matter of starvation, then, is it. As we can see
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  Speaker 3: from this wider shot, clearly Muhammad's older brother Jude and
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  Speaker 3: his mother are not starving. All kinds of images set up,
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  Speaker 3: docted and edited, come out of Gaza. They've done all
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  Speaker 3: that all along. That stuff's come out of Gaza all along.
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  Speaker 3: Hummas controls the information and it provides the media narrative.
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  Speaker 2: Too many in the media and politics go along for
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  Speaker 2: the ride. They love the anti Israel narrative. No one can.
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  Speaker 3: Sensibly use these images or this information as proof of
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  Speaker 3: mass but so many do they run the information and
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  Speaker 3: the context provided by Hummus, an Islamist extremist terrorist group.
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  Speaker 2: We know how much aid has gone into.
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  Speaker 3: Gaza, and therefore that if there is any starvation in Gaza,
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  Speaker 3: it must be the fault of Hummus for keeping the
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  Speaker 3: aid from its people. But also we need to ask
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  Speaker 3: why there is such an emotive focus on children starving.
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  Speaker 3: Why would adults be fed and the children not. Wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: parents ensure that children are fed first? This just points
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  Speaker 3: to the propaganda element of what we're seeing. There's much
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't add up, and none of this is deny
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  Speaker 3: to deny of course, that people are suffering.
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  Speaker 2: It is terrible.
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  Speaker 3: Of course the war must end, and of course, as
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  Speaker 3: bizarre as it is, in this conflict, Israel has a
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  Speaker 3: responsibility for feeding Palestinian people while combating those people's government
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  Speaker 3: and their military leadership. But the hysteria about starvation is
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  Speaker 3: clearly calculated, clearly part of a propaganda campaign, and obviously
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  Speaker 3: it's working with more pressure again falling onto Israel. While Hummas,
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  Speaker 3: the real persecutors of the Palestinian people, are hardly mentioned
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  Speaker 3: at least the federal opposition leader Susan Lee understands that,
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  Speaker 3: and because for all the trauma and all the empathy
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  Speaker 3: that we have for the people of Gaza, the pathway
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  Speaker 3: to peace is clear.
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  Speaker 13: We're seeing such distressing images.
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  Speaker 8: I have been distressed, and I want to I don't
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  Speaker 8: mind saying that over and over again, but I still
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  Speaker 8: make the same points that I have before. It's very
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  Speaker 8: complex on the ground. It's not something that we can
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  Speaker 8: make judgments about every move that is made. There are
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  Speaker 8: reports of Hamas interrupting the flow of aid and carrying
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  Speaker 8: on its atrocious activities at this time. Now, if we
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  Speaker 8: want the water end, and we all do, we know
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  Speaker 8: the simplest, quickest way is for Hamas to surrender and
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  Speaker 8: release the hostages.
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  Speaker 3: Well said, Susan Lee shows a much greater understanding of
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  Speaker 3: the situation, with more moral clarity than the Prime minister.
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  Speaker 3: With former minister now Labor backbencher Ed Husick apparently pushing
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  Speaker 3: in caucus for the government to recognize a state of Palestine,
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  Speaker 3: Albanzi is reported to have said that claims there is
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  Speaker 3: no starvation in Gaza are beyond comprehension. In other words,
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  Speaker 3: Albinizi believes he knows more about what's happening in Gaza
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  Speaker 3: than the Israeli Prime Minister does, and he's saying the
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  Speaker 3: Israeli Prime Minister is lying. There he goes again, fanning
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  Speaker 3: the anti Israeli flames, pushing the demonization of Israel based
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  Speaker 3: on a media image of a poor, young cerebral palsy
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  Speaker 3: victim in Gaza. Governments should make calls based on facts. Albanizi,
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  Speaker 3: we are told, has not even bothered to watch the
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  Speaker 3: recorded evidence of how Hummas triggered this war, yet he
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  Speaker 3: pretends to know how to end it based on one image.
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  Speaker 3: One of the most complex and long running struggles on
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  Speaker 3: the planet, and we have leaders attacking it with all
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  Speaker 3: the superficiality of social media.
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  Speaker 2: In the real world, the war.
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  Speaker 3: Must end, the suffering must stop, and that means Hummus
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  Speaker 3: must surrender. Let's go now to Mike Kelly, who's the
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  Speaker 3: co convener of Labor Friends of Israel. He is also
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  Speaker 3: a former Labor minister, joins us live from Canberra. Good
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  Speaker 3: to talk to you again, Mike, got to get your
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  Speaker 3: reaction to former Labour Foreign Minister Bob Karr, who says
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  Speaker 3: that Israel is using mass starvation as a weapon of
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  Speaker 3: war and says that Israeli soldiers are deliberately shooting young
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  Speaker 3: people turning up at aid centers.
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  Speaker 14: What's your reaction, Well, you know, bobcar is not an
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  Speaker 14: expert on the laws of armed conflict, and there are
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  Speaker 14: very few people who are. And it drives me crazy
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  Speaker 14: to hear people give these opinions all the time when
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  Speaker 14: this is a very specialized area of the law and
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  Speaker 14: it requires a lot of knowledge of not just what's
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  Speaker 14: written in a convention, but all the work that goes
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  Speaker 14: into that.
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  Speaker 15: The preparatory work is.
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  Speaker 14: The requirement that you have to refer to to interpret
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  Speaker 14: the law. Then there's a shed layder of jurisprudence. But
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  Speaker 14: most importantly, you have to go to state practice, and
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  Speaker 14: that means you've got to do a survey of every
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  Speaker 14: military manual in the world effectively, and the ICRSE did
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  Speaker 14: that and they produced a four thousand page book to
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  Speaker 14: cover that.
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  Speaker 15: So none of these.
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  Speaker 14: People have read any of this, none of them have
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  Speaker 14: had to do it in practice. Your basic military commander
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  Speaker 14: in the West will have more knowledge of this stuff
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  Speaker 14: than some of the so called academics that I've heard.
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  Speaker 3: Should point out of course, you're a military lawyer who
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  Speaker 3: has served with the Australian Defense Force in Iraq and
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  Speaker 3: elsewhere as a lawyer, so you know this stuff intimately,
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  Speaker 3: but just by the inference of what he's saying the actions.
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  Speaker 2: He's not just inferring.
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  Speaker 3: He's claiming that Israel is using mass starvation as a
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  Speaker 3: weapon of war and that it's shooting innocent civilians. So
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  Speaker 3: what's your reaction to that. Is there any fact to
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  Speaker 3: back up such claims?
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  Speaker 14: No, there's you know, he's not an investigator, he's not
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  Speaker 14: on the ground. He doesn't know what's going on. Nobody
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  Speaker 14: he's not on the ground will be able to make
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  Speaker 14: judgments about this. The Israeli system is incredibly robust in
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  Speaker 14: its abilities to investigate claims and allegations, and it is
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  Speaker 14: doing that as we have had to do in the past,
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  Speaker 14: and certainly allegations. You know, if they are born out
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  Speaker 14: as we have done, then action gets taken. But you know,
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  Speaker 14: the bottom line is that there's a system we can
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  Speaker 14: trust there.
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  Speaker 15: There's no question that it's robust.
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  Speaker 14: It's independent of the military command structure, independent of the
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  Speaker 14: political process, and as I say, these investigations are underway.
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  Speaker 14: An end to any allegation that's made. But the bottom
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  Speaker 14: line here is, as Susan Lee and others have pointed out,
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  Speaker 14: Israel's fighting a war against the terrorist organization that respects
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  Speaker 14: none of that, and of course is using the Severean
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  Speaker 14: population as a weapon, and the propaganda opportunities that they
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  Speaker 14: get out of that have been exploited mercilessly, and we've
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  Speaker 14: seen so much clueless and credulous response by media outlets
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  Speaker 14: and politicians who have just been completely sucked in by
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  Speaker 14: this stuff. The bottom line is that the Hamas organization,
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  Speaker 14: because it had its line of revenue checked off from
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  Speaker 14: Iran and from Qatar, adopted its approach of its new
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  Speaker 14: business model of looting and stealing foods applies to glean
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  Speaker 14: revenue from the black market to reward its terrorist operators
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  Speaker 14: with the food and money from that operation. Israel was
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  Speaker 14: desperately trying to choke off that business model by establishing
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  Speaker 14: a new humanitarian relief distribution system, and of course Hamas
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  Speaker 14: responded by terrorizing anybody who tried to take advantage of that.
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  Speaker 14: There's plenty of footage around that will demonstrate that they're
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  Speaker 14: the ones who have been shooting their own people, stripping
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  Speaker 14: them naked stealing their food whenever they attempt to use
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  Speaker 14: these distribution points. So obviously Israel's got to learn the
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  Speaker 14: lesson from that that securing the egress in ingress roots
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  Speaker 14: from those food distribution points is also going to have
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  Speaker 14: to be part of the equation. But in addition, you've
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  Speaker 14: had the UN agencies and relief organizations not wanting to
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  Speaker 14: cooperate with security regimes that the ODF wants to put
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  Speaker 14: in place to make sure that they're safe, to make
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  Speaker 14: sure that the people get the food, and to make
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  Speaker 14: sure that Hamas is not facilitated and amplified by their work.
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  Speaker 3: Mike, what you've just outlined there is so clear, is
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  Speaker 3: so true. It's publicly available information from those people who
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  Speaker 3: want to dig and look at it. But obviously it
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  Speaker 3: comes with your expert insight as not only a former
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  Speaker 3: military person, but as a former military lawyer and one
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  Speaker 3: who has worked and operated in the Middle East. Yet
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  Speaker 3: we see your own Labor Party colleagues seemingly going with
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  Speaker 3: the propaganda. Anthony Alberanezi says, it's beyond belief that anybody
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  Speaker 3: would not believe their starvation in Gaza and just an
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  Speaker 3: hour or so ago on this very station. The Education
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  Speaker 3: Minister Jason Clair had this to say.
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  Speaker 11: Kids are dying. Look at the picture of that little
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  Speaker 11: boy on the front page of newspapers this week. Remember
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  Speaker 11: what it was like when we were kids and we
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  Speaker 11: saw kids starving to death in Africa, and how the
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  Speaker 11: world responded. The world needs to respond here. Plenty of
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  Speaker 11: food in Israel. There's plenty of medicine in Israel. There's
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  Speaker 11: plenty of trucks to get it in to Gaza. Get
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  Speaker 11: the food in, get the medicine in, stop the starvation
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  Speaker 11: and stop the killing of innocent people.
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  Speaker 3: Mike Kelly, is the alb and Easy Labour government speaking
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  Speaker 3: truth or is it just amplifying humas propaganda.
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  Speaker 14: It's the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen. I could
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  Speaker 14: show you imagery from the combat operations that the ADF
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  Speaker 14: were involved in in the siege of Masl between October
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  Speaker 14: twenty sixteen and July twenty seventeen, where exactly the same
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  Speaker 14: situation occurs in an arm conflict where you've got an
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  Speaker 14: organization like ISIS or Hamas under siege, in an environment
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  Speaker 14: where you're using the Savinians has shield, we flatten forty
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  Speaker 14: thousand buildings forty seven moss and compromise hospitals included, and
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  Speaker 14: about ten thousand Savinians were killed. All these same dynamics
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  Speaker 14: at play in an urban war, and this is what
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  Speaker 14: warfare looks like. It's horrifying and we should be distressed.
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  Speaker 14: That's why you don't start them in the first place.
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  Speaker 14: And let's understand that it was not only Hamas that
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  Speaker 14: started this war, but obviously Iran, who pulls all the
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  Speaker 14: strings in this proxy world they've created. They they're guilty
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  Speaker 14: of starting a war of aggression. But when it comes
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  Speaker 14: to this judging the situation of the children and the
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  Speaker 14: famine that's been alleged, we have to understand that there's
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  Speaker 14: an organization that actually does that classification. It's the Integrated
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  Speaker 14: Food Phase Security Classification, the IPC, and so they have
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  Speaker 14: five phases that they use to describe hunger situations or
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  Speaker 14: food distribution situations, and they have not classified this situation
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  Speaker 14: as a famine. And when Jason Clair talks about famine
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  Speaker 14: in Africa, well, there is one going on right now.
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  Speaker 14: There's a war going on in Sudan, and this organization,
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  Speaker 14: the IPC, has classified North Darfor as a famine situation,
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  Speaker 14: which is man made, and there are certainly lots of
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  Speaker 14: grounds for investigating a geneside there, but it certainly doesn't
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  Speaker 14: apply to Gaza.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this propaganda that's leading to more pressure on Israel
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  Speaker 3: is coming from countries much closer to the action and
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: more significant in this debate than Australia, the UK, from Europe,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: France of course, so even Donald Trump is brought into it. Now,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: what needs to happen next in terms of international diplomacy
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: to get the right outcome here?
• 21:26
  Speaker 14: Look, as you pointed out, Chris, you know there are
• 21:29
  Speaker 14: two participants in this conflict. You never here mentioned of
• 21:34
  Speaker 14: the party that instigated the conflict in the first place.
• 21:37
  Speaker 14: I'm ass we need a full court press by the
• 21:40
  Speaker 14: international community to ignore this propaganda circus that we've seen
• 21:46
  Speaker 14: from Hamas and say, look, you know, you have to
• 21:49
  Speaker 14: lay down your arms, release the hostages.
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: Then of course the war ends. As we're speaking, Chris.
• 21:55
  Speaker 14: They have to make that point over and over again,
• 21:58
  Speaker 14: and then they have to adopt measures that put pressure
• 22:00
  Speaker 14: on all of those who support Hamas and all the
• 22:04
  Speaker 14: financial regimes that prop up all the players in Hamas
• 22:07
  Speaker 14: that made so much money out of all this living
• 22:10
  Speaker 14: in luxury and different parts of the region and the world,
• 22:14
  Speaker 14: and pressure on Iran particularly, really strong pressure to make
• 22:19
  Speaker 14: sure that we're sending the message.
• 22:21
  Speaker 15: We understand the role you play in all this.
• 22:24
  Speaker 14: You need to switch off your proxy here and we
• 22:27
  Speaker 14: can start the process then of reconstructing and working out
• 22:30
  Speaker 14: the ways forward into the future. But as the Prime
• 22:34
  Speaker 14: Minister said, that can't include Hamas. So my next question
• 22:38
  Speaker 14: is if it can't, well, have you got any ideas
• 22:41
  Speaker 14: about how to get rid of them? You know, let's
• 22:44
  Speaker 14: understand here that if we don't want hamas as an equation,
• 22:47
  Speaker 14: and certainly the Palestinian authority doesn't. The President Mahmudabas referred
• 22:51
  Speaker 14: to Amasa's sons of dogs and blamed all of this
• 22:54
  Speaker 14: on them and so of many others in the region.
• 22:57
  Speaker 15: So you've got.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: To get rid of them.
• 23:00
  Speaker 15: Mars is the problem.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Joining us, Mike, I really appreciate it. Thanks for your
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: expert analysis. Mike Kelly there the former labor ministers. Let
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: me point this out right, what Anthony Albernezi is doing
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: with our foreign policy in the Middle East now is disgusting.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: The fact that there are other lefties around the world
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: doing the same thing doesn't excuse him. He's demonizing Israel
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: based on Hummas fueled propaganda. He's listening to the Greens,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: to the tills, to all sorts of ferals and his
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: own electorate instead of sticking to the facts and looking
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: at what needs to happen now. Mike Kelly is a
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: former soldier for this country. He's a military lawyer. He's
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: a former Federal Labor Defense minister. He's served in the
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Middle East. As you just saw, He's still very connected
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: to the international information and insights into what's going on.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Albo needs to just take half an hour out of his.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Day and catch up with Mike Kelly and talk about
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: these issues instead of listening to the ferals, get some
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: facts and some expertise into his daily diet from Mike Kelly,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: who lives in Canberra. Albo can catch up with him anytime.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: A former Labor Defense minister speaking sense while the rest.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Of the Labor Party is running around demonizing Israel. Let's
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: move on to the other side of politics.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I'm back to Canberra and catch up with Kevin Hogan.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: He's the National's deputy leader. Thanks for joining us, Kevin.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Good to catch up with you again. I just want
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to play you a clip from Matt Canavan earlier today
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: talking about the net zero debate and what it means
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: for the country and for the Coalition.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Here is, we're irrelevant right now.
• 24:44
  Speaker 15: It cares what it looks right now. We've got to
• 24:46
  Speaker 15: get the results.
• 24:47
  Speaker 13: That's what's important.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be neat or tidy or pretty.
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: It has to be effective.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people focusing on the fact they're
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: saying the Coalition's irrelevant.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Well, in numerical terms in Parliament, I know are at
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the moment. He's right, isn't he. It doesn't matter.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: How ugly or deviceive this debate looks, especially given it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: been going on really for fifteen or twenty years. The
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Coalition just actually has to get the work done and
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: come up with the right policy that it can take
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: to the people of Australia for the next decade.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Chris, exactly.
• 25:20
  Speaker 12: And look, we're irrelevant in the sense obviously our votes
• 25:22
  Speaker 12: are never going to win a majority need the Chamber
• 25:24
  Speaker 12: at the moment. So on that point, it's true, but
• 25:26
  Speaker 12: really important that as an opposition we do over the
• 25:29
  Speaker 12: next two and a half three years go to the
• 25:31
  Speaker 12: Electricate with a really coherent policy. And you know I
• 25:34
  Speaker 12: was asked this morning too, you know what I thought
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: of Barnaby Joyce bringing on his my Private Members Bill yesterday, Chris,
• 25:40
  Speaker 12: and I said, I celebrate it. You know, he obviously
• 25:42
  Speaker 12: has arrived at a position. We're doing a review as
• 25:45
  Speaker 12: a party room. We've decided as a room to do
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: that review will take us a number of months to
• 25:50
  Speaker 12: get to a party room position. Barnaby phil Stroning, good
• 25:53
  Speaker 12: on him and Chris. You know what, on our side
• 25:54
  Speaker 12: of politics, we've already celebrated public debate, even within the parties.
• 26:00
  Speaker 12: If you have a different opinion, that's okay. Labor Party Socialism, mate,
• 26:03
  Speaker 12: you don't do that. You can't do that. You're not
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: allowed to do it because that's not what they allow.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: And just to.
• 26:09
  Speaker 12: Segue, just to go back to Chris, I've got to
• 26:11
  Speaker 12: say this, how far has the Labor Party.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Moved to the left?
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: Listening to Mike Kelly he was in the Parliament not
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: that long ago, and on things like foreign affairs without
• 26:19
  Speaker 12: people like him, Albanize and the Labor Party have just
• 26:22
  Speaker 12: gone to the left even further.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Well, I wanted to come back to that because I
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: found it fascinating. I've known Mike Kelly for a long while,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: and I've crossed swords with him in the past. I've
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: got enormous respect for his career and his analysis, and
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: to hear him talk through that in such a factual way,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and it's a sharp it's such a sharp contrast from
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: what this current labor government is doing. Yet Albanize is
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: under pressure from inside his party, from the Muslim mp
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: and former minister Ed Husick to actually go even further
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: and recognize some imaginary state of Palestine.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Now here's Ed Husick on this channel just the other day.
• 27:00
  Speaker 16: I understand the logic that's been expressed by our government
• 27:03
  Speaker 16: that has said it should be part of a process.
• 27:04
  Speaker 16: But the reality is that events have changed, and particularly
• 27:08
  Speaker 16: over the last twenty months, and what we have seen
• 27:10
  Speaker 16: every month seems to be more horrific than the last.
• 27:14
  Speaker 16: We should be making that case and saying we're prepared
• 27:17
  Speaker 16: to recognize that.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I just failed to see the logic, and albanies he
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: sort of entertains this as a prospect. I mean, how
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: much starts a war, slaughters innocent's people, still holds hostages.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It's killed dozens.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Of them, handed some back and it still holds hostages
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: alive and dead. Has perpetuated a war that's now killed
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: tens of thousands of.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Its own people, and it should be rewarded with.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Some fantasy of a Palestine state.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, the logic here is just ludicrous, Chris, it
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: is it. Look.
• 27:50
  Speaker 12: Might I start by saying, person I really like Ed
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: and I respect him, but look, as has been made,
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: the biggest danger to the Palestinian people in Gaza, the
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: biggest threat to their safety, to their health, to their nutrition,
• 28:02
  Speaker 12: to their livelihood is her Mass and the focus that
• 28:06
  Speaker 12: you know, a lot of the West or the left,
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: if you like, have on Israel is ill founded. You
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: don't see them talk near as much about the terrorist
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: organization that hides behind women and children organize that horrific
• 28:19
  Speaker 12: attack back in October the seventh, nearly two years ago. Now,
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: so they are you know, they are the bad people here.
• 28:25
  Speaker 12: When her Mass is dismantled, which is obviously what the
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: Israeli government and defense forces want to do, and you
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: cannot blame them given what's happened. Once they are dismantled,
• 28:34
  Speaker 12: you can then start to work on how a Palestinian
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: state might work, because who would be who would be
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: running it, who would be the representatives? And right now
• 28:42
  Speaker 12: you can't do that because the mass are in control.
• 28:44
  Speaker 12: So to point the finger elsewhere as ludicrous as you say.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Kevin. I appreciate Kevin Hogan there,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: who's the Nationals? Definitely lead alive from camera. We're going
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: to get to a break on the other side of
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: a catch up with Tim Blair.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: We're going to do it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: That shipping company now refusing to transport electric vehicles after
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: a spate of horrific fires. Always good to catch up
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: with the Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair on a Tuesday during
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: US Live from the Wimmera in Victoria.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Tim.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: One of the reasons I like to pick your brains
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: is you're a bit of a petrol head.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: You're a bit of a carn't You much more expertise
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: in that area than me.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Back when I was a Parks and Rangers type, I
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: had a little fall driver, Daihatsu fall drive. There was
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: a shaka really because it chewed through the juice even
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: though it was only four cylinders and the top speed
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: of about eighty k's. But you've written today about the
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Suzuki Jimney, which apparently is a ripper little fall drive,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: but is facing problems thanks to our climate policies.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Tell us about it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Suzuki launched his car in twenty nineteen. It's a little
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: cubish kind of thing. It immediately became very popular on
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: account of it. You know, it's very cute, so it's
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: got an urban kind of appeal off road. It's also
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: mostly capable, so it can live in both worlds. And
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you wonder about why something like this isn't embraced by
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the ecological or sort of wing of labor party because
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: it doesn't use very much fuel. It has no complicated
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: poisons or metals or rare earths involved in its manufacturer.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: It's a very basic little guy that can be you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: recycled in large amount when when its life is done.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yet it's been penalized. And a lot of small cars
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: are in the Suzuki range, especially because they don't make
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: an EV And the new efficient what's called the I
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: think whatever the efficient index or of car supply that's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: regulated by the government. It demands and across the board
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: every vehicle kind of average of fuel economy. And if
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: you don't have an EV to bring that average down.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You get hit with fines if you make a little
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: you know, big selling, you know, nine thousand units a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: year car like the Jymney. You get hurt.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how pathetic.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: They should make Tesla build a VA just to even
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: it all up. I suppose also on electric vehicles, we've
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: talked before about those shocking fires that have been started
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: in car guards, but there was one infamous one on
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: a ship. Now a shipping company is saying it's not
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: going to take electric vehicles on its vessels anymore because
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: you end up with this situation where a whole ship
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: burns for weeks and then since you know the thousand
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: meters below the surface.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: The capital loss is enormous and also obviously the risk
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to crew is enormous as well. I hope and pray
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. I fear that it might. But we're
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: going to get one day, perhaps a similar kind of event,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: but in the basement garage of a large hotel, which
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: is absolutely terrifying. And I understand that you know a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: lot a lot of insurers are looking at this possibility
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: in Australia and elsewhere. The technology front here that made
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: these things secure enough at this point.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Chris, Yeah, it is frightening.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: There should be some sort of failsafe mechanism to put
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: out any fire if it starts. You would think when
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: you look at that ship, though that was saying. I
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: think it was called the Morning Might House, you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: the sort of the Midas touch in reverse this one,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: because it burnt for so many weeks with toxic fumes
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: going everywhere, then eventually sank to the ocean floor. Just
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: apart from everything else, that makes it an environmental disaster.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yet I've heard no.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Peak from the Greenies or whatever. They haven't sort of
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: portrayed this one as an ex on Valdez moment.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Remember when the left us to mock the right with
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: some justification for the Vietnam Year, a thing of we
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: had to destroy the village in order to save it,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: which was an obviously very mockable line. But this is
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: exactly what they're doing. We've got to destroy the environment
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: in order to save it, and they're proud of it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: There's no sort of moving back. If these are electric cars,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: so you know, they just get a free pass. It
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter that they're destructive to the environment, doesn't matter
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: they at the bottom of the seat. It doesn't matter
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: that they leach all of these chemicals into the ocean. No,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: they're evs, so they're pure and good, Chris, so we've
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: got to love them no matter what.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: They sure are.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I'll leave you to head down to the local Suzuki dealership,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: get yourself a Jimney instead, Tim Blair.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: They're joining us from the Wimra.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: And no, there's no kickback from Suzuki. I've never spoken
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: to Zuki.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: YadA, YadA, YadA. Now coming up on the other.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Side of the break, can get back into this energy
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: debate with Aiden Morrison. He's going to unpick this latest
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: report that Chris Bowen is spooking. Plus Donald Trump in
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Scotland offering advice to the Europeans and he's given an
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: ultimatum to Vladimir Putin. The other and easy government's minister
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: for escalating power prices, Chris Bowen has been added again,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: citing the CSIRO's latest gen cost report as further proof
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: that labor is delivering the cheapest electricity available.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: While it saves the planet. This bloke is a complete fanatic.
• 34:02
  Speaker 17: Well, the evidence is in again. This independent report by
• 34:06
  Speaker 17: the CSIRO shows that renewables solar and win backed by
• 34:11
  Speaker 17: batteries and transmission is the cheapest form of energy, much
• 34:15
  Speaker 17: cheaper than nuclear, and that the Liberal Party remains committed
• 34:19
  Speaker 17: to nuclear the most expensive form of energy rejected by
• 34:22
  Speaker 17: the Australian people.
• 34:23
  Speaker 15: They just don't get it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: If he wants to keep bagging nuclear energy, you'd think
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: he'd learn how to say it. Bowen's so called independent
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: report is actually a report constrained by the government's net
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: zero plan. By the way, and if anyone wants to
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: know whether or not it's cheap, then just check your
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: power bill. Based on plans it formulated from previous gen
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: cost reports, Labour promised to cut your bill by two
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five dollars a year, but instead they've
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: gone up by one thousand dollars a year. In response,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Labor is doubling down now on its renewables rollout. To
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: make sense of this report, let's go to the energy
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: expert from the Center for Independent Studies, Aidan Morrison. Aidan,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: good to talk to you again. What did you make
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: of gen costs this year?
• 35:16
  Speaker 18: This year the headline of gen costs should be very
• 35:19
  Speaker 18: unambiguously that Cole is the king of low cost energy,
• 35:23
  Speaker 18: and I think that's something that should be really shouted
• 35:25
  Speaker 18: from the rooftops. That CSIRO's own numbers in this report
• 35:29
  Speaker 18: actually say that coal is now cheaper to build than
• 35:32
  Speaker 18: firmed integrated renewables, and it's strange that you don't hear
• 35:35
  Speaker 18: that from the CSIRO themselves, and on the website they've
• 35:38
  Speaker 18: simply added some little caveat words, they've said that now
• 35:41
  Speaker 18: renewables are again the cheapest low carbon electricity. So they're
• 35:46
  Speaker 18: literally shifting the goalposts in front of our eyes when
• 35:49
  Speaker 18: they are no longer able in their own analysis to
• 35:52
  Speaker 18: sustain the argument that we've had time and time again
• 35:55
  Speaker 18: that renewables are not just environmentally virtuous but are also
• 35:58
  Speaker 18: economically virtuous. The facts can no longer be concealed, and
• 36:03
  Speaker 18: this report from CSIRO actually demonstrates that coal is now
• 36:07
  Speaker 18: the cheapest form of electricity for consumers, and yet they've
• 36:10
  Speaker 18: bent over backwards to try to conceal that and a
• 36:13
  Speaker 18: host of other mistakes they've made in previous reports, in
• 36:16
  Speaker 18: particular their estimation for the cost to firm renewables, that is,
• 36:21
  Speaker 18: providing all the gas and the transmission and the storage
• 36:23
  Speaker 18: to make sort of that intermittent feast and famine energy
• 36:26
  Speaker 18: into reliable electricity. Last time they told us that was
• 36:29
  Speaker 18: between forty two dollars and forty eight dollars. This time
• 36:32
  Speaker 18: they're saying it's between forty eight dollars and sixty four dollars.
• 36:35
  Speaker 18: There is literally no overlap between draft and final between
• 36:39
  Speaker 18: those two different estimates for how much it cost to
• 36:42
  Speaker 18: firm renewables. So's there's just no chance that we can
• 36:44
  Speaker 18: take this report seriously anymore.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Now, don't.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: They also give an artificially low cost for the renewable
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: transition by not counting a lot of money factored.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: In for transmission.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: And I read some analysis said they hadn't factored in
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: the cost of snowy hydro two point zero either.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Which is going to be upwards of ten billion dollars. Well,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: that's right.
• 37:09
  Speaker 18: That's another little switch they have in their kind of
• 37:11
  Speaker 18: two different stories they tell. There's one version of the
• 37:14
  Speaker 18: figures which is meant to be for twenty twenty four,
• 37:16
  Speaker 18: which should include the cost of all the projects we've started,
• 37:19
  Speaker 18: and on that account, coal is definitely cheaper than renewables.
• 37:23
  Speaker 18: They have another story to tell, which is about the
• 37:24
  Speaker 18: cost in twenty thirty, and you'd think they're saying that
• 37:27
  Speaker 18: now the cost of renewables has come down. Actually that's
• 37:30
  Speaker 18: not true. That's exactly where your story comes into it.
• 37:33
  Speaker 18: They basically and then say, in twenty thirty, we will
• 37:35
  Speaker 18: have already built snowy Hydro two point zero and will
• 37:38
  Speaker 18: have already built huge amounts of transmission, so therefore we
• 37:41
  Speaker 18: can count all those costs as being sunk, even though
• 37:43
  Speaker 18: that's just when consumers will start.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: To pay for it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 18: They put all those costs to one side and ignore
• 37:48
  Speaker 18: them and say, therefore, in the future, renewables will be cheaper.
• 37:51
  Speaker 18: So again, it's just a really terrible accounting trick to
• 37:54
  Speaker 18: somehow create the impression that inevitably these costs are cheaper
• 37:58
  Speaker 18: in the long run, when in fact the exact opposite
• 38:00
  Speaker 18: is true. In the long run, these are baked into
• 38:03
  Speaker 18: your power bill, the cost of transmission and the cost
• 38:05
  Speaker 18: additional storage, and that's when they'll be starting to hit home.
• 38:08
  Speaker 18: But they use clever language about this being a report
• 38:10
  Speaker 18: for investors as opposed to consumers to basically conceal the
• 38:14
  Speaker 18: fact that they are not adding up the total cost
• 38:16
  Speaker 18: of things that will land up in your power bill.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: What to worry or smoke and mirrors. We'll come back
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: to you on this in detail again, and I appreciate it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I had Morrison there from Mer Center for Independent Studies. Now,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: as we previewed last night, Donald Trump met with UK
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister Keres Starmer in Scotland today play if issues
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: were on the table, including tariffs, with.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: The US President issuing this morning for the world.
• 38:39
  Speaker 13: But we're going to.
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: Be setting a tariff for essentially the rest of the world,
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: and that's what they're going to pay if they want
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: to do business in the Unted says. I would say
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: it'll be somewhere in the fifteen to twenty percent range.
• 38:52
  Speaker 13: So maybe fifteen or twenty or no.
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: I said, you know, I sort of know. I just
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: want to be nice. Would say, in the range of
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: fifteen to twenty percent.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: He knows, he says, I'm guessing seven and a half percent.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: We'll see. Now, as I put it to Christen.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Tight, Australia has already been hit with a ten percent
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: tariff and now while our PM, of course can't get
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: a meeting with the President, it looks like the tariff
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: is already going up.
• 39:18
  Speaker 13: I mean, that's what they're saying. Right now. These things
• 39:21
  Speaker 13: happen very quickly.
• 39:22
  Speaker 19: This is a very fluid situation obviously, and have the
• 39:25
  Speaker 19: tariffs situation and rollout has it all been flawless?
• 39:29
  Speaker 13: Absolutely not.
• 39:30
  Speaker 19: But I was assured by the talking heads in the
• 39:33
  Speaker 19: media months ago that the US economy was going to
• 39:36
  Speaker 19: take by July fourth because of Trump's tariffs.
• 39:39
  Speaker 13: Guess what, Chris, that didn't happen.
• 39:41
  Speaker 19: The stock market here is doing great, Americans are out shopping,
• 39:44
  Speaker 19: living their lives.
• 39:45
  Speaker 13: The US economy it's not taking. And these tariffs people
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: need to keep in mind.
• 39:50
  Speaker 19: This is part of a very broad strategy to reinstate
• 39:53
  Speaker 19: some balance we've been taking advantage of in the United
• 39:56
  Speaker 19: States for far too long. For seventy five years, we've
• 39:58
  Speaker 19: defended countries around the world, Canada, all over Europe, Japan, Korea,
• 40:03
  Speaker 19: and many of these countries have closed their markets off
• 40:05
  Speaker 19: to US. So this is about reinstating balance again. The tariffs,
• 40:09
  Speaker 19: I think are not going to be a long term solution,
• 40:14
  Speaker 19: nor will they be the primary solution, but it's just
• 40:16
  Speaker 19: a part of it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Donald Trump's having a lot of success
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: with them so far, There's no doubt about that. We'll
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: see where it goes economically, but he's won trade concessions
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: from so many major trading partners, the latest one being
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: the EU, of course, and even Australia has rolled over
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: on US beef imports, presumably to try and strike a
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: better deal with the US. There's no doubt that Donald
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Trump's strategy is working to some degree so far. Let's
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: stay in Europe, though, and Donald Trump's warning to Russia
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: when he set a deadline for a ceasefire of fifty days,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: a lot of people thought it sounded a little bit long,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: while he suddenly shortened that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: Have a look, I'm going to make a new deadline
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: of about.
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: Well is from today. No reason waiting. There's no reason waiting.
• 41:06
  Speaker 10: It's fifteen days. I want to be generous, but we
• 41:10
  Speaker 10: just don't see any progress being.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Made, so less than a fortnight for a ceasefire in Russia,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: if we're to believe that or else what Kristin, that's.
• 41:22
  Speaker 13: A great question. A ceasefire deadline.
• 41:24
  Speaker 19: It's a hopeful sign, but history tells us these timelines
• 41:27
  Speaker 19: they often slip. Look at the end of the day,
• 41:31
  Speaker 19: if this is going to work, if there's going to
• 41:32
  Speaker 19: be some kind of ceasefire, concessions are going to have
• 41:35
  Speaker 19: to be made.
• 41:35
  Speaker 13: Putin is a very stubborn leader.
• 41:37
  Speaker 19: He's not going to want Trump to look like the
• 41:39
  Speaker 19: big master negotiator with all the power, so he is
• 41:42
  Speaker 19: going to want to look like at least from an
• 41:45
  Speaker 19: optics perspective, Putin will that he is the one who
• 41:48
  Speaker 19: has decided on a ceasefire.
• 41:51
  Speaker 13: But it's a great step forward. I will say.
• 41:53
  Speaker 19: Here in the United States, Chris, Americans are very fatigued.
• 41:57
  Speaker 13: By this ongoing conflict.
• 41:59
  Speaker 19: I think you have one hundred thousand Americans nying every
• 42:01
  Speaker 19: year from Fentanal. So we just want this to all
• 42:04
  Speaker 19: be done, and hopefully Trump will be the guy to
• 42:07
  Speaker 19: do it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope.
• 42:08
  Speaker 13: So problems we need to focus on.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are plenty of those, and one of those
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: is your border issues, which he has focused on.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: But as you keep pourting out, isn't resolved yet.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: The UK and Europe in general have massive problems with
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: illegal immigration. This is an issue that Australians understand all
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: too well because we've had to reimpose border security a
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: couple of times. So Donald Trump, I thought it was
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: fascinating in Scotland today giving advice to the UK and Europe.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: In general about the importance of borders. Have a look.
• 42:39
  Speaker 20: Europe is a much different place than it was just
• 42:42
  Speaker 20: five years ago, ten years ago. They've got to get
• 42:45
  Speaker 20: their act together. As they don't, you're not going to
• 42:47
  Speaker 20: have Europe anymore as you know it.
• 42:49
  Speaker 13: And you can't do that.
• 42:51
  Speaker 20: This is a magnificent part of the world and you
• 42:54
  Speaker 20: cannot ruin it. You cannot let people come in here illegally.
• 42:57
  Speaker 20: And what happens is they'll be murderers, they'll be drug dealers,
• 43:00
  Speaker 20: there'll be all sorts of things that other countries don't want,
• 43:04
  Speaker 20: and they send them to you, and they send them
• 43:06
  Speaker 20: to us, and you've got to stop them.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: It's so too true, Christen. No one could dispute it.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: You don't have a country unless you have control over
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: your borders. But you need the strength and the willingness
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: to impose border security, and the Europeans don't seem to
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: have that.
• 43:24
  Speaker 19: Yes, of course, what Trump is saying is common sense.
• 43:27
  Speaker 19: I mean, look at what happened in our country in
• 43:29
  Speaker 19: just four short years under Biden. There is a report
• 43:32
  Speaker 19: that came out here this morning that Ice arrested two
• 43:36
  Speaker 19: hundred illegal alien child sex offenders in just the city
• 43:41
  Speaker 19: of Houston, Texas, where I used to live, over the
• 43:43
  Speaker 19: past six months, that is one US city, two hundred
• 43:47
  Speaker 19: illegal alien.
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: Child sex offenders.
• 43:49
  Speaker 19: This is happening across the country, all because of four
• 43:52
  Speaker 19: years of an open border. But look, here's the hope
• 43:54
  Speaker 19: for Europe. All it takes is one strong leader with
• 43:57
  Speaker 19: will and the plan and the strength means the situation
• 44:01
  Speaker 19: and get it come right now. Under Trump we have
• 44:03
  Speaker 19: basically no illegal crossers at our southern border right now.
• 44:07
  Speaker 19: So if Europe wants to get itself under control, it can.
• 44:09
  Speaker 19: It just takes willpower.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure does.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I would have listened to Donald Trump on that one
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: now mentioning sex offenders. The Epstein files still keep popping up,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: and here's the lightest from the President on that.
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: I haven't been overly interested in it. You know, it's something,
• 44:25
  Speaker 9: it's a hoax that's been built up way beyond proportion.
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: I can say this. Those files were run by the
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: worst come on earth. They were run by call me,
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: they were run by Garland, they were run by Biden.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I never went to the island and.
• 44:43
  Speaker 9: Built Litton went there supposedly twenty eight times I never
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: had the privilege of going to his island, and I
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: did turn it down, but a lot of people in
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: Palm Beach were invited to his island.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Well, there you go, Christian. There's no doubt these guys
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: were mites back in the die. Then they had a
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: fooling out. It's a good thing for him. We never
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: went to that island.
• 45:06
  Speaker 19: Yes, I will say the Epstein case, in the way
• 45:09
  Speaker 19: Trump is handling it threatens to completely tear apart the
• 45:13
  Speaker 19: mag of movement and the Republican Party. You know, in
• 45:16
  Speaker 19: twenty twenty four, Trump built one of the most robusts
• 45:20
  Speaker 19: and just unexpected coalitions in US politics.
• 45:24
  Speaker 13: All these different people joined together to vote for him.
• 45:26
  Speaker 19: In large part because he promised to fight for the
• 45:29
  Speaker 19: forgotten man, restore justice, and challenge a corrupt elite. And
• 45:35
  Speaker 19: you know, there are people in the party now, people
• 45:37
  Speaker 19: that are very popular with Republican voters, like Tucker Carlson,
• 45:41
  Speaker 19: Marjorie Taylor, Green Congressman Thomas Massey, who are out there
• 45:45
  Speaker 19: saying we need more transparency on this Epstein case. The
• 45:49
  Speaker 19: American people deserve the truth, and more and more voters
• 45:52
  Speaker 19: are agreeing. And it's not that people are mad at
• 45:55
  Speaker 19: Trump personally. They're just saying, hey, this is something you
• 45:58
  Speaker 19: promised us on the campaign trail.
• 46:00
  Speaker 13: We want the truth.
• 46:01
  Speaker 19: And if the President dismisses those concerns or you know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 19: calls his own voters stupid for wanting the truth, it
• 46:10
  Speaker 19: seriously threatens to harm his coalition.
• 46:12
  Speaker 13: So I hope to see more transparency.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating insight to Kristin. Transparency is what matters here.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you. We'll catch you next week.
• 46:22
  Speaker 13: Thank you, Chris.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get it all out there then we know
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: what we're talking about. Hey, I got to get to
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: a break.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: On the other side, Susio Brian and Stephen Senate t
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about Net zero and that council
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: rejecting a push to get rid of welcomes to country.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: We are crushed for time. Let's get on with our panel.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: With Susi O'Brien, the National Education at News Corp Australia
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: and Steven Senate, tempo breakfast morning host from Camera's Radio
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: two Double C.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Thanks both for joining us.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: I want to show you, firstly a quick clip of
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Basil Zemplest. We all know him as a sports broad
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: caster and the like, but of course he's now the
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: West Australian opposition leader. And is it two hot button
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: issues here front on when it comes to the coalition,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: have a listen.
• 47:07
  Speaker 21: We support the status quo on the net zero targets.
• 47:11
  Speaker 21: They are targets, they are an ambition. We are very
• 47:14
  Speaker 21: comfortable with standing in front of the Aboriginal flag. We
• 47:17
  Speaker 21: are very comfortable with a welcome to country the Susie.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Is this the common sense of a modern Liberal party
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: or is he a hopelessly won't wet who's going to
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: get his butt kicked.
• 47:31
  Speaker 22: Well, I think he's got more chance of getting elected
• 47:35
  Speaker 22: again than Barnaby Joyce or Matt Canavan. I mean, let's
• 47:39
  Speaker 22: be honest, it is the Perhaps he is the face
• 47:41
  Speaker 22: of the new modern Liberal party, and particularly over issues
• 47:45
  Speaker 22: like net zero. They're in a world of pain. You know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 22: You've got the others flinging mud from the cheap seats.
• 47:50
  Speaker 22: You've got Susan Lee.
• 47:52
  Speaker 13: Having a review.
• 47:53
  Speaker 22: Now you've got Basil's Emplus saying we don't need a review.
• 47:56
  Speaker 22: They're in a mess. And you know what, it's a
• 47:58
  Speaker 22: world of mess entirely of are making Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Now I was going to vote for a long while
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: though they've got to sort of out that n Stephen
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: and you know, the idea of zero being a target,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: a target that labor will never meet, that no country
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: developed nation will ever meet.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: It's so much ado about nothing really absolutely well, there's
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: a couple of things here.
• 48:17
  Speaker 23: I mean, firstly with Basil semple is, his division of
• 48:19
  Speaker 23: the Liberal Party has decided that their platform is that
• 48:22
  Speaker 23: they're scrapping net zero targets, they're scrapping welcome the countries
• 48:25
  Speaker 23: and they're not standing in front of Aboriginal flag. So
• 48:28
  Speaker 23: this is a bloke that has elite's got to have courage,
• 48:31
  Speaker 23: and this is a bloke that showed he's got none.
• 48:33
  Speaker 23: But it also shows how out of touch he is
• 48:34
  Speaker 23: with the base of his own party. Now, when you
• 48:36
  Speaker 23: talk about net zero, the message is ridiculous. Barnaby Joyce,
• 48:40
  Speaker 23: Michael McCormick, Matt Cannefer out there saying.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: The right thing.
• 48:43
  Speaker 23: We need to scrap this because it's not possible. But
• 48:45
  Speaker 23: unfortunately the coalition proved that the last election that they
• 48:48
  Speaker 23: are unable to put a narrative together and unable to
• 48:51
  Speaker 23: combat a narrative that's played against them, and that's where
• 48:54
  Speaker 23: they're losing it here. They're on the right track, but
• 48:56
  Speaker 23: they just can't get the message out there.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Ah yeah, indeed, a long way to go.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: There's so much to talk about with both those issues.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: But Susie, I wanted to come back to something else
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: that you've been leading a fight around the nation on,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: and that is the protection of children, particularly at childcare centers,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: and you've been leading this Keep Them Safe campaign.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: It's an issue very much on the news.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Some laws passed in Federal Parliament today tell us what
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: you Keep Them Safe campaign is aiming to do and
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: how people can.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Get on board. Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 22: I mean, we knew about a decade ago from the
• 49:26
  Speaker 22: Royal Commission into Child Abuse, so there urgently needed to
• 49:29
  Speaker 22: be new laws, things like a national Working with Children's Check,
• 49:33
  Speaker 22: a register of childcare workers. And on the weekend we
• 49:37
  Speaker 22: had yet another story showing a loophole in this system
• 49:41
  Speaker 22: where we found that nanny's for example, people who were
• 49:44
  Speaker 22: invited into people's homes to.
• 49:45
  Speaker 13: Look after their kids.
• 49:47
  Speaker 22: If they have had their own children taken away from
• 49:50
  Speaker 22: them or they're facing some sort of child protection action,
• 49:54
  Speaker 22: you can still get a Working with Children's Check. I mean,
• 49:56
  Speaker 22: there are just so many loopholes and kids are at
• 49:59
  Speaker 22: risk with also just published a list of more than
• 50:02
  Speaker 22: three hundred childcare centers around the country with current enforcement
• 50:06
  Speaker 22: action against them. So in the last two years since
• 50:09
  Speaker 22: we heard about Ashley Griffith, the Queensland pedophile who worked
• 50:14
  Speaker 22: in a childcare center, there's been something like three hundred
• 50:16
  Speaker 22: sanctions placed on childcare centers. So this keep them Safe
• 50:20
  Speaker 22: campaign is needed more now than ever.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, but on we've got to know about the backgrounds
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: of people that the owners always needs to be on
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: parents too, to engage with the centers and the people
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: there as much as they can. But if this information
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: is kept from people, they've got no hope.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: It's shocking.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Congratulations on the work you're doing there, SUSI, I appreciate it.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Seven Center Tiapo, Susio Brian, thanks for joining us. We'll
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: catch you next week. Running a bit short on time today,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: just quick feedback on what we had to say last night.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: When it comes to Bob Carr and Labor and Israel,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Nigel says, shame on you, Bob Carr issue and apology immediately.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Another viewer says again the.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Clear Adi Semitism coming from Labor is sickening. Another says,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: we ever heard about a country at war that should
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: feed its enemies. And finally, one viewer says, well said, Chris,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: can you let the whole world hear your truthful eloquence?
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Nice one, mum, Thanks for sending that one in. Thanks
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: for joining us. We'll be back tomorrow.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Always lots to talk about and always appreciate your feedback.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Here's Quedlin, hosted as it will be for the next
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: few weeks by Steve Price.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Cheers,