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Muawiya vs Al-Hassan (Ft Sayed Mohammed Hassan Alsheraa) · After Maghrib 🌙

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  Delicious and scrumptious. Yeah, Allah Smila Rahman Rahim
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  Assalamu Alaikum. And welcome back to another
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  episode on your favorite Shia Muslim podcast.
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  After Maghrib. We are in the vibes of
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  spirituality. It is the holy blessed month of
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  Ramadan and this is our second episode for this holy month.
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  I really hope you tuned in to last week's episode because if
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  you haven't, you have missed out on what it means to be a true
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  believer, a true movement with your, with your brothers and
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  with your community members. So please, please go back and
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  watch that episode and show Allah.
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  Now, this week is no different. We still want to continue our
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  spiritual growth, our journey towards Allah.
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  And I know today is going to be a fantastic conversation because
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  we have a fantastic, amazing guest.
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  And before we introduce him, first of all, Ahmed Salam.
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  How are you doing? I'm OK Hamdallah.
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  We are like you said bro, we are back in the studio.
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  It's good to be back. We had amazing, amazing
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  discussion last week and guys, we are now like nearly at the
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  halfway, halfway there, which is crazy to think how fast the
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  month is going to panel law. But brothers, sisters, I hope
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  the month is going well for you and Charlotte and we are fast
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  approaching the willada of our said our Imam and Hassan and
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  Mushtaba Salah Ali. And and this is the time
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  Inshallah, where we are going to talk about his life, many of the
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  honours, the virtues he had and some misconceptions we have or
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  not we have others have about his blessed personality and
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  biography. But before we get into that, say
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  it. As we mentioned last week, this
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  come this holy month, inshallah is a campaign where we are
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  working in partnership with the Zahara Trust.
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  That's true and Zahara Trust is someone we that I mentioned last
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  week as episode. That's it's a charity that I
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  know the work that they put personally and every pound and
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  every cent and every dollar that you give towards this charity
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  goes to where it's needed most. And this is something I can say
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  hand on heart because I know the team behind the scenes and
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  Hamdallah, they are a great team and they're amazing on what they
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  do. Before I just speak a bit more
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  about the Zaharat Trust, we are inshallah remembering the
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  special birth of Imam Hazard and Mustaba.
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  He's known as what? And Charlotte, we can become
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  coming like him and be generous and this holy one.
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  Yeah, and you know what say many of the things that we know the
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  world need, right needs right now can be found in the embrace
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  of our mothers? Honestly, you know, the warmth
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  of the mother, the hug, the embrace, the love, the art of
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  the mother means a lot to us. And in these blessed days, many
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  of us, many of those who who have the blessing to live with
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  their parents or spend time with their family, know that your
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  mother's, even despite sometimes their old age, will still go to
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  extreme lengths to give you a thought and you know, make your
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  home blessed for the holy month. And this is kind of brings me to
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  something especially specific campaign which I really want to
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  touch on, which I know the Zahara Shras are running this
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  communities in areas that we really don't really like reach.
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  You know, there are a lot of communities, for example, the
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  mountainous regions of Afghanistan or Pakistan, for
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  example, when there is a lady who's pregnant in these
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  villages, A, it's difficult to get to a local hospital.
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  And for those of us who've had children, we know that it's not
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  something you can spend long time planning and travelling.
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  Labour is an intensive and short period of time.
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  And B, the other thing is sanitation.
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  Access to equipment is sometimes hard, hard to obtain.
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  So what does our trust are doing as part of their skills
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  development program is supporting women in Pakistan
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  specifically with midwifery training, which is in essence
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  training women in the community to become midwives, Right.
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  And Pakistan is, speaking as a Pakistani, it's one of the most
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  hard hit countries worldwide where there is a maternity death
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  every two minutes, someone is dying in childbirth, a mother, a
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  C-section. What else they providing say?
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  In addition to this, they are offering all pregnant women
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  their pregnancy. Like vitamins?
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  Like vitamins? Yes.
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  Nice. And for those who know in the UK
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  Take it for granted. Like we live in London and, and,
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  you know, we've had Hamdullah, we've, we've got children saved
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  and we know that, you know, in those times when, when, when our
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  wives were pregnant, they were given vitamins by our local
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  health service. And we live in one of the
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  richest cities on earth. And we're talking about people
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  So it goes a long way. Brothers, sisters, we are
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  The bio. Kick the link in the bio.
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  Oh, you're. Testing me, Sorry.
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  Yeah. Bro, I am testing you.
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  I'm testing you, bro. And yeah, guys, stay up to date
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  because this is going to be an incredible campaign.
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  We've only got a couple of weeks left of the holy month and we
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  want to make the most of it. Now I think it's time, say, to
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  kick off the conversation. It is indeed and Insha Allah
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  would love to introduce. Reintroduce.
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  Reintroduce and shot Allah to this episode.
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  Someone who no doubt will share so much words of gems and
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  wisdoms and someone we all look up to and listen to and learn
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  from. And that's none other than, say,
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  the Mohammed al Shara all the way from Dearborn, MI, said
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  Salaam. Alaikum Salah, how are you?
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  How are? You.
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  Thank you so much for coming back to after work, my honor.
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  Thank you SO. Glad that we have you, Al
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  Hamdullah. For those who don't know, we had
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  one of What's up I. Was going to say.
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  We we had one of the most memorable conversations.
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  That was very fun. We had.
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  The It's as if we did it yesterday.
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  One time has gone by. Time has gone by and I know I'm
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  not really expressing it, but I am a fanatically screaming child
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  with joy right now and back. I am so excited, happy.
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  I'm trying to maintain my composure.
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  We, we, it must be because it's a lot of, I said a lot.
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  Of among brothers as well. And it's so good to be back.
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  So thank you for again. I thank you Shahram al Mubarak
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  and Shaha and the birth of Imam al Mushtabali Saddam Mubarak to
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  all of you. Also, congratulations to all the
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  viewers and listeners around the world, wherever you are watching
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  or listening from saying that when we had you last time, you
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  know, we asked you a question. You know, if you were stranded
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  on an island. Oh yeah, you you gave some wild
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  but fantastic answers such As, for example, I'll take a gym.
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  Yes. I'll take a I'll take a as well.
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  I've got a similar question, but it's not as crazy as that one.
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  OK. What do you think of the
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  aftermath of set? The set?
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  Yeah. It's very simple.
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  Because the set has changed, it's different.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's different, yeah, but.
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  I haven't asked this question to any other really.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  OK. So from you it means a lot.
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  It's great. What, what, what?
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  Do you like the most and what would you change?
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  Oh, come on. I mean.
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  OK, maybe I'll leave it to you, honey.
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  You know, an interior design may not be my thing, but if I had to
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  add something, I would add a gym Enon Fusini.
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  We need a dumbbell and we we have a.
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  We need a member. Here, yeah, we need a.
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  Member and a dumbbell. But no, honestly, I'm so happy
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  to see where you guys have come and I was blessed to be in the
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  old space and I'm happy to be here and I can't wait to see
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  what's what's next every time I come.
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  You guys are just progressing. So inshallah with more visits in
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  progress. And you know, we spoke about
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  Imam Immuno, what we need last time, and I'm so happy to be
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  talking about his son this time. I think we're doing.
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  Is there a theme here now? Maybe the next time, Mama
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  Hussein, why not? Mama's in Ave. in town for why
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  not in Shawn? Why not?
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  It's an honor. And with each one there's a new
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  studio as well possible. It's shallow.
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  Leveling up. Leveling up.
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  Why not man so? Listen, I'll be honest.
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  Look, when we first spoke a few weeks ago, we, we told you that
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  we wanted to specifically talk about Mama hasn't Ali Salaam
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  because to be real, we, I don't feel we appreciate him as a
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  community, as his she are so many, so many hundreds of years
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  later. We know his story.
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  We have we are blessed with with resources, we have access to
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  Hadith and we celebrate him, but we don't really know a lot about
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  him. I think, but more so there is a
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  specific, I would say myths that needs to be debunked or a series
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  of myths. And I know you've done a lecture
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  series on this a couple of years ago in the US.
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  But about the specific treaty between Mahawya Ibn Abu Sufyan
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  and Imam Hassan and Salam and the treaty which was of course,
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  we know signed in the year 41 after Hijra, where it is said
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  that Imam Hassan Ali Salam sought peace with Mahawya.
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  And try to and and people obviously have different
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  versions of events. Some say that Imam failed as a
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  political leader. Some say that the Imam failed to
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  lead an uprising as a military leader.
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  Some say that the Imam backed out of confrontation with
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  Mahalia. But these are a number of
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  accusations that are thrown at us by other schools and, and
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  those who tried to troll us. To be honest, I feel like we've,
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  for those who have had the years of research and who have been
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  able to develop an understanding, have, have come
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  to a strong conviction that I know why my Imam did this.
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  But of course, a lot of our younger listeners or those who
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  are new to the faith are still perhaps learning about this.
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  Where do we begin to analyse this?
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  There's a lot of angles that I want to ask you about this,
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  specifically the context prior to the treaty itself.
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  Right, right. I know this subject is a very
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  comprehensive one because it involves history and often times
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  the subject matter of history relates to historicity.
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  So the accuracy of the material and the literature that you're
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  looking at before you begin to decide what is going on in the
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  scene, you have to 1st learn is what I have legitimate,
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  reliable, resourceful. So that's why there's a whole
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  host of levels to go through in order to understand and diagnose
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  a matter as contentious, contentious as the Al Imam al
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  Hassan, Alayhi Salaam and Muhaliyeb and Abu Sufyan in
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  exactly the year 41 after the hegira.
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  Thank you for mentioning Yanni, the series that we did.
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  It's because of, in light of this exact point that Imam al
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  Mushtaba has not gotten the credit that he deserves for the
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  sacrifices he's done. And the attention we give him is
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  not tantamount to the sacrifice that he has put forth.
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  So we did this thing called Lay Ali al Hassania, the Hassani
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  Knights. And I'll be honest, it was
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  complicated. It was challenging to rally up
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  the community to understand and appreciate that look, you can do
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  10 nights on one man. It's not only a matter of Imam
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  Hussein, although Liam Kyom. OK, about Abdullah, which are
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  his words. Imam Hassan.
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  I had a debate. Our beacons of knowledge,
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  fountains of wisdom. And 10 nights is actually
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  little. Yeah, in reality Imam and wished
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  about the more I had to study to do 10 each one hour each one
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  whatever and we ended the last one on the 7th of Safar so that
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  it coincided with his shihad and we just did the muktat.
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  Imam Hassan, you can do a muktat for him, you can do lectures
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  each different unique topics related to him.
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  So the material is there. Yeah, but I mean it takes it
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  takes effort. And having done this, I came to
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  a point that man this Imam is absolutely under appreciated.
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  Yeah, From what Little is known to that which is known being
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  misunderstood. Yeah, You have the situation,
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  Little is known, and then what's already known is misunderstood.
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  Yeah. Peace agreement.
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  Why did this happen anyways? Why should he?
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  Why did he not rise? This is an allegation that
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  happened in his lifetime, which unfortunately still lives today.
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  So it goes back to the whole historical discussion because
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  it's history. Yeah.
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  And I think in this case, Imam Al Hassan Alayhi as Salaam has
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  been the victim of serial mass propaganda.
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  And I think he is the biggest victim of this mass propaganda.
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  If Imam Ali Ali Salam had it really hard with the pulpits
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  giving him condemnation on every single Friday, Imam Al Hassan
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  Ali Salaam, we've done him injustice.
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  At least with Imam Ali Ali, we don't do any of that as Shia,
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  OK, but today with Imam and Mushtaba, we've also failed him
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  as those who follow him as those who love him foul Len without I
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  mean even recognizing those that have absolutely nothing to do
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  with Imam and Mushtaba who have hijacked him just to be simply a
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  matter of the grandson of the Prophet.
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  Move on from that now, Habibi. There's esoteric wisdom.
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  There is knowledge that he has and he gives from the Quranic
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  level. There is elements that concern.
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  There are elements of concern has advice for the 21st century.
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  These exist, the revolutionary descendants of Imam and Mujtaba,
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  his political acumen, his unmatched generosity, his life
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  before his shahada. What was he doing in Medina?
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  His knowledge on the dimensions of the spiritual levels, his
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  advice. There's a beautiful moment where
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  Imam asks Imam and Hassan what are certain terms, and I want
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  you to give me the meaning of them as he's a young boy.
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  Yeah. And there's a whole host of
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  moments his debates with Yazidi has.
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  Who would have not thought Debates, debates with Moralia,
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  All of that has not been appreciated and I think it's our
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  fault and the result of the serial mass propaganda tanks
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  which still linger till today. You know what say that I think
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  we've spoken about this before, but this propaganda machine is
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  something that continues. Of course, one of our goals is
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  to try and counter that through the form of media inshallah.
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  And we will counter those those deceitful, manipulative,
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  narcissistic, so-called leaders who lived at the time, so-called
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  sahaba who lived at the time and who put that forward.
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  One of those is the likes of Mahalia, you know, the one who
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  who rejected the bait and of course to Hassan Alayhis Salaam.
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  And we know that in those, those those four years, those four to
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  five years of a middlemot minions Khalafa, those years, he
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  had to wait so ardently and patiently for that.
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  He had to wait with with, as he says in Nasha Balaga.
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  It's like I had a thorn in my eye or a bone in my throat in
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  those years where he had to wait.
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  And when he finally attained and obtained the the the Khalafa
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  that he deserved and was rightfully his, he was of course
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  politically challenged, militarily challenged.
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  You had Jamal, you had Safin, you had not a one.
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  And many of his best hub were martyred in those in those
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  years, right. And of course, the build up to
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  his shahada, things were picking up all the scoffs.
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  You know, there were agents of Mahawya that were sent to Yemen,
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  to Egypt, to parts of Alarq as well.
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  There were the, the houses of the Shia were burned.
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  You know, there was Amaral, Amaral Khazari, for example.
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  He was the first man in Islamic history to be decapitated.
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  His head was sent on a plate to Mahawya as an example.
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  So this is the first act of modern day, what we recognise to
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  be terrorism in Islamic history. And then of course you had the
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  appointment of Imam Hassan, Amir al Mahmaneen said this is your
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  imam, your Khalifa, after me. And then of course he came into
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  this with just chaos around him, people defecting, people getting
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  bribed. You had obeyed a lot of Abbas
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  who was his relative and his commander who was bribed by
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  Mahaliya to defect 2/3 of his army, I believe or so.
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  Exactly. Well, we defected to Mahaliya.
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  So you had Imam Hassan at Leh Salaam, you know, and I, what
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  you said said really hit me about the Imam Aliy Salaam and
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  his how he's been so unjustly done and treated and the it's
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  it's just so sad. Well, I think, you know, when we
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  talk about Khalib, you think about certain figures in history
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  and Mahmoud, I listen, even for example, has a Muslim.
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  You think about Khalib on that night.
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  My mom has who was Kharib. Well, lot of him is Kharib
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  because he went through a lot and he was, I think he was
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  abandoned by his own people in many ways.
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  Oh. For sure, for sure.
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  He didn't even catch a break during his martyrdom as well.
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  Yeah, of course. Had a will.
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  The will went one way. He was being carried.
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  The carrying took another turn. Yeah.
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  And his life is absolutely when his life, after his life in his
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  life, when he's being trying, they're trying to take him to be
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  buried. It's a whole host of
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  pandemonium. And you went over the summary
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  pretty well with the circumstances and the betrayal
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  and things of that nature. It starts off with him thinking
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  about the sate he inherits his father's enemies.
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  And so on one side you have Khawaj, these people who have
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  deviated from what they called followers of Imam Alib Nabitab
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  at first following Mahali Binabi Sufian, who's still rising, he's
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  still on fire, he's still ready to go to war.
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  And the biggest misconception that starts with Imam Hassan
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  isn't any of the, you know, he's not, for example, interested in
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  fighting. He's not, for example, going to
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  take on Mahali in a proper way. So he does a he was willing to
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  continue the fight. He carried it on because he
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  basically sees that listen, when after his father passes away and
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  he's a machete, he gives a sermon.
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  In the sermon, he stands up after the buried amount of
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  moment and he says in a very beautiful line, yeah, Ayouhanas,
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  all men and women kind. So he's addressing the world as
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  opposed to the Aladina Ahmed. But these are his words because
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  he's the amount for all people. Today a man has left you
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  referring to his father. He's eulogizing him, who Gibreel
• 19:49
  would be to his right, Mika eel to his left, whenever he would
• 19:52
  go out to fight. And now we have inherited this
• 19:57
  moment. I will take you.
• 19:59
  We still have unfinished business.
• 20:00
  Let's go and finish what my father died doing.
• 20:05
  And that was the moment was really interesting.
• 20:08
  Imam Ali Nibhat Aliab was martyred in the holy month of
• 20:11
  Ramadan. Why?
• 20:13
  He was waiting for additional support to come and come
• 20:20
  together against a common enemy, Imam Ali.
• 20:23
  History. History has shown us after the
• 20:26
  battles of Jamel and Sufin and Naharwan reached a point where
• 20:31
  he had a few unloyal supporters. They've had enough wars.
• 20:35
  Their complaints were akin to that.
• 20:37
  Our swords have bent. Yeah, it's difficult now.
• 20:41
  So Imam would go to the streets and he would say I'm begging
• 20:45
  you, come together, come on one word.
• 20:48
  I need your support such that it got to a point where you hear
• 20:50
  hadiths like the Imam saying just give me one follower of
• 20:55
  Mahalia. I'll give, I'll give 5 of mine.
• 20:58
  Why does he say that? It's because I begged them to
• 21:00
  come and they don't follow. They don't they don't obey.
• 21:03
  But Mahalia, he's telling them with nonchalant orders, go and
• 21:08
  fight the Imam of their time and they're like done.
• 21:10
  Easy peasy, easy. You know, it's like their
• 21:13
  loyalty to the deviant of Allah. Of course I'm begging you guys,
• 21:16
  let's go. I would trade 5 of mine for just
• 21:19
  one of his. Say it, was this just a bribery
• 21:21
  coming from Malia? Definitely there's a badunya
• 21:24
  involved. There's no such thing as a
• 21:25
  conviction to the evil of of on earth.
• 21:28
  You don't you don't find conviction in that.
• 21:30
  You don't sleep well, you know, for think of modern day evils
• 21:33
  and tyrants. You don't go to sleep knowing
• 21:35
  that yeah, I'm on the path that is reflective of ethics.
• 21:38
  It's a matter of listen, I I will be loyal to you if you
• 21:41
  treat me well. And this is not the same idea
• 21:42
  was not treating them well. But sometimes the hawk might be
• 21:45
  a bit bitter at first. Path of truth is path of truth
• 21:48
  is difficult. It's not easy, you know, the the
• 21:52
  road is paved with thorns. But hey, it's worth it.
• 21:55
  You know, I mean, not what do you think everything's going to
• 21:57
  be handed on a civil plot or easy enjoy it And you have to
• 21:59
  struggle for these things. What happens is Imam IA lot of
• 22:03
  gets these wars and then he's waiting for additional support.
• 22:06
  According to historians such as Sohail Zakhar and Shah Hassan Al
• 22:12
  Farhan Maliki, these are modern historians.
• 22:15
  They've mentioned clearly that Imam Adi had about 65,000
• 22:18
  warriors. Yeah, Moawi had 400,000.
• 22:22
  In Shawn, in Shawn Imam. You know what we need in
• 22:25
  dispatches? A letter.
• 22:26
  These letters, you can find them in the sermon section of
• 22:27
  Najibullah. So this is in the NAJ of the
• 22:29
  sermon for you because, you know, the NAJ has wisdom,
• 22:31
  miscellaneous letters and things of that nature.
• 22:34
  Aquad as well. Letters.
• 22:37
  He sends a letter to a man by the name of Bass Ibn Assad Ibn
• 22:40
  Abada who is his wakil in Azerbaijan and place is the son
• 22:45
  of Saib Nabi Abada, the high chief of Medina and so he's
• 22:49
  loyal to the federal base by default.
• 22:51
  Place Imam Ali admires him, hence he sends him to represent
• 22:53
  him in Azerbaijan. He says the out place I have
• 22:57
  65,000, you have 80,000 come bring your men, join forces so
• 23:02
  we can finish this Bahut and Ferran against a law on earth
• 23:07
  right now, meaning Mahalia. So he's waiting for him.
• 23:10
  As soon as I get enough support, then I'm going to proceed.
• 23:14
  Halfway through the journey of these 80,000 men Imam is waiting
• 23:17
  for. Some people like to say, well,
• 23:18
  it's Ramaban. He doesn't want to fight.
• 23:20
  Imam has a tech leaf. He's waiting to do his
• 23:23
  obligation, and that's to get rid of this tyrant on earth.
• 23:27
  And he's waiting halfway through Imam IO struck.
• 23:30
  And so the support didn't get there in time.
• 23:32
  Yeah. And so when he struck, he passes
• 23:35
  before he does. He makes this quite clear that
• 23:37
  my you said it clearly. Successor is El Hassan Ali Sena.
• 23:41
  Now, how he stands up, makes that speech, all people, man and
• 23:43
  woman, kind. We lost a man.
• 23:45
  Gibreed to his right, Mikayed to his left.
• 23:48
  Let's finish what he died doing. Yeah, the supporters eventually
• 23:53
  come. And so here you go.
• 23:55
  There's a movement of Imam Mujtaba.
• 23:57
  He heads to morale to finish the job.
• 24:00
  People skip this, they go Imam. He dies.
• 24:02
  He makes a what? I mean, he went.
• 24:07
  He's just what? Why would he stop?
• 24:09
  I just pick up the the game where my dad stopped that I'll
• 24:12
  just continue. He goes.
• 24:14
  But you know, when you lose a great leader, it can hurt your
• 24:18
  morality, especially if that leader struggled to already
• 24:21
  Garrison you anyways because of the difficulty of staying on the
• 24:26
  huck. Because as the Prophet said,
• 24:32
  there's going to be a time upon my nation, the one who holds on
• 24:35
  to their face like holding on to a hot ember.
• 24:38
  It's not easy. It hurts.
• 24:39
  That happened during that time too.
• 24:41
  It's hard to hold on to your face.
• 24:42
  It hurts, man. It's not easy.
• 24:44
  If you want the lavishness, luxuriousness of this life.
• 24:47
  Food is good with Mahalia, but Ebada is unlike anything else
• 24:53
  with Imam. So Imam Hassan goes.
• 24:57
  The problem is the betrayal kicks in.
• 24:59
  Yeah. And Mahalia, I believe he was
• 25:01
  genuinely scared because it was only a matter of weeks and Imam
• 25:05
  is going to come again and finish the deal.
• 25:08
  He takes advantage of this morality defect.
• 25:11
  They lose their leader. Now it's not like my passing cat
• 25:13
  fulfill the job he can. But while we start sending money
• 25:18
  at the head of the group of people is obeyed Allah, Abdullah
• 25:21
  Abbas, his cousin and he sends them a letter saying Maui.
• 25:25
  Maui says him obeyed Allah 1,000,000 dinar is waiting for
• 25:30
  you just separate from him. Not only did he take his group
• 25:34
  that he led because Imam hasn't divided the people that he had.
• 25:38
  He kept many in Kufa. He sent some to Medina to stay
• 25:42
  close to Medina and then he took a group of him with him and
• 25:47
  ahead of him and behind him. So he's a big army in the head
• 25:52
  obeyed Allah. They've been an Abbas.
• 25:54
  He gets told with a letter that he's miles ahead because there's
• 25:57
  a lot of men that hey, 1,000,000 Dinos like you don't know what
• 26:00
  you want. The lottery just don't continue
• 26:03
  with him. These people are already
• 26:04
  complained. As we say, we got them to come
• 26:07
  on. They're just anything.
• 26:09
  They just need an excuse to leave.
• 26:11
  The same people that said my swords are bent on the last
• 26:14
  days. You come to somebody says we're
• 26:17
  the people that are genuinely loyal.
• 26:18
  Come on. Not only does he separate, he
• 26:23
  takes his people all the way to Malia's and we'll just stay in
• 26:26
  Sham instead. Yeah.
• 26:28
  Backstabbed the people behind Imam Hassan, the army that's
• 26:32
  behind him. Mawi has sends a letter to them
• 26:35
  saying that I and it hasn't he forged a signature have decided
• 26:39
  to agree not to fight. We're brothers in them and won't
• 26:43
  be known for lies and forgery. Look at the effort that it took,
• 26:49
  by the way, you know, you forge you, you plagiarize, you do all
• 26:53
  these things and then use Quran and religious everything and
• 26:57
  money. How do you not become misguided?
• 27:00
  Some people might be genuinely, but The thing is, a true,
• 27:03
  genuine follower should know that That's not my imam.
• 27:05
  Of course, that's a signature. Yeah, you could make a
• 27:07
  signature, nice. But the principal is not
• 27:10
  something that he would do. His dad died, was martyred in
• 27:14
  this process, but he's just going to give up on it.
• 27:16
  They split the middle group again.
• 27:21
  They receive some tension. Imam Hassan is down.
• 27:23
  He's left with 3000 people. That's it.
• 27:26
  He's left some and I was saying kufa he sent some others.
• 27:29
  After all of these combination of the men that came from all
• 27:32
  parts of the world. He's down to just 3000.
• 27:34
  Even then he continues Yep, to 3000 against 400,000 gone.
• 27:39
  Is this misconception immediately that he wasn't a
• 27:41
  brave man. The proportions of the day of
• 27:44
  Karabella were not even like this.
• 27:45
  Yeah, I'm has I'm Christine has might you could say tops 100 and
• 27:48
  10120 7572 up to that much, I guess 30,000 that's a lot, the
• 27:53
  ratio, but the proportions are more extreme.
• 27:56
  When you look at 3000 against half a million 100,000 men, he's
• 28:01
  like, no, we're not. Did you guys forget?
• 28:04
  What's it called? The battle of Hanain.
• 28:06
  The profit was down to 8. One of them a lady, you know,
• 28:10
  lady who's worth a million men who says I'm not leaving my my
• 28:14
  profit. And we stood in 4000.
• 28:16
  Laurence's Thuma. Well, Layton with the building
• 28:17
  you guys just left and ran, Boy, how they ran and they just
• 28:21
  abandoned. Yeah, it's like 8 and they
• 28:24
  fought 4000. But when vulgar is there, you
• 28:27
  don't have to worry. Then what about the inherit of
• 28:29
  vulgar 3000 against 400? That's nothing.
• 28:33
  The problem is when among those are unloyal, charlatan,
• 28:40
  conniving, backstabbing hypocrites such that he is on
• 28:47
  his horse. One man rushes and stabs the
• 28:50
  imam on his thigh. He's like enough, it's done,
• 28:54
  this is mad. And he stabs the imam on his
• 28:56
  thigh. He sees everyone's abandoned of
• 28:59
  it. If the world goes one way and
• 29:01
  you know you're on the Hawks day, let the world go left.
• 29:05
  Stay right man. The whole world.
• 29:08
  I mean, it's a cliche, but everyone drops off a Cliff.
• 29:11
  Don't do it. Who cares if your buddies have
• 29:12
  left, if they've been bribed? Stabbed on his thigh.
• 29:17
  Then he's leaving Salah as he's praying.
• 29:20
  He's stabbed in his back. So he's literally and
• 29:22
  figuratively and metaphorically backstabbed.
• 29:26
  Literally, figuratively, metaphorically.
• 29:28
  Look how loom this imam is. And then, people, I made a peace
• 29:31
  agreement because he didn't want to fight.
• 29:33
  He's hurt, he's wounded, he's being backstabbed.
• 29:38
  His cousin left him. Here comes this man. 21st
• 29:41
  century. Oh, yeah, Yeah.
• 29:43
  He wasn't brave enough Danny, I I have to be befitting with my
• 29:46
  language here because the tensions get hot sometimes.
• 29:49
  Not brave enough. You try 30,000 against 400, it
• 29:53
  still gets that still for. Big One of the biggest Moloom
• 29:56
  honestly. Moloom.
• 29:57
  One of the worst, worst misconceptions.
• 29:59
  That and he's still adamant to go and continue.
• 30:02
  It gets to a point when you don't have anyone.
• 30:04
  What do you do at that point? He then receives a letter from
• 30:07
  Mohawi. Sending these letters left and
• 30:09
  right, he says, listen, don't make the same mistake as your
• 30:13
  dad. Don't make the same mistake as
• 30:16
  your father. You have no one and I have
• 30:19
  everything. I am even willing to compromise
• 30:22
  with you. Now, this is a different subject
• 30:25
  because we're now discussing the ethics of compromising with the
• 30:28
  enemy of God. Is there room for that?
• 30:31
  The discussion goes on. Imam Hassan makes the terms.
• 30:37
  That's where I think there is room to negotiate and not
• 30:44
  necessarily compromise. You never compromise on your
• 30:47
  values. He never relinquished Khalafa.
• 30:50
  He's Khalifa day one. He relinquished political
• 30:55
  control, whereas Imam, he can't give that up.
• 30:58
  Of course, he never relinquished Imam.
• 31:00
  Listen to this. He relinquished the Imara.
• 31:05
  So hey. Imam him, Imara, the Emirates of
• 31:10
  Power control to have a hub and tribal control.
• 31:13
  No, no, you can do that. That's why Mahali was called a
• 31:16
  Walukal Islam. King.
• 31:19
  The first king of Islam. What the heck is a king?
• 31:22
  What's a king in Islam? Like lavish, wearing a crown.
• 31:26
  What's a king? Oh, they're proud of it. 3/4 of
• 31:29
  the Muslim world with all love. Yeah, he's a Walukal Islam.
• 31:34
  But what's a king? Now what?
• 31:36
  What is that in Islam? What?
• 31:38
  Significant theological position does not occupy What is a king?
• 31:43
  I don't understand that. I know an Imam, I know the
• 31:45
  Khalifa is. I know what, for example, king.
• 31:50
  What is that? Kings are a lavish royalty
• 31:53
  dynasty kings involve that. If I die by default of just what
• 31:58
  is that? That's what.
• 31:59
  I. Exactly love a lavish of this
• 32:02
  world, Imam says. You keep that said that never
• 32:06
  was even something I was interested in and I'll keep Imam
• 32:09
  and so there's a lot to be said on.
• 32:11
  Well, you've said so much and there's so much to take in and
• 32:13
  honestly, there's so much points that I feel like have been
• 32:15
  answered personally of some, not going to say doubts, but things
• 32:18
  that I don't have clarity on. And just coming on these points
• 32:21
  of like Malawi's propaganda and stuff, you know, when it, when
• 32:26
  it came to this priest, this peace treaty, the solar that
• 32:29
  Imam hasn't done with Malawi. Yeah.
• 32:31
  It wasn't, for example, OK. He didn't just have enough
• 32:34
  support. No, from what I understand and
• 32:36
  correct me if I'm wrong, saying that the Shia, the followers of
• 32:40
  a meal and no money, were threats because Mahalia was
• 32:43
  trying to kill them. Well, I was trying to the other
• 32:47
  day I was actually with a with a brother.
• 32:49
  We were going some going over some of the letters Mahalia was
• 32:52
  sending to his governors and how to deal with the Shia.
• 32:54
  Yeah, of Ali Abdullah, which is horrifying.
• 32:57
  You know, destroy their homes, village their towns, kick them
• 33:01
  out. Boycott.
• 33:03
  Don't buy from them, don't sell to them.
• 33:05
  Let them starve. Yeah, so it came to a point
• 33:07
  where Manhassen said I have to stop this bloodshed, this
• 33:10
  potential annihilation of the true son of Rasoolallah,
• 33:13
  Sallallahu alaihi Walisallah, could come to an end.
• 33:15
  So I think, I'm not gonna say he was forced into this position,
• 33:18
  but at that time, this is pretty much what was destined for him
• 33:22
  by a lot. You know what, just to add as
• 33:24
  well, I think it's interesting because we always talk about and
• 33:28
  I think we've reflected on on this a lot in the last year and
• 33:30
  a half, especially since the wild has has gone upside down in
• 33:33
  many ways. But we always talk about what is
• 33:36
  the appropriate response, what is the best way to retaliate or
• 33:39
  to resist or to show resilience. And I think in many ways we've
• 33:42
  learned from the IEM Alehim or Salaam that there are different
• 33:46
  strategies to employ at different times.
• 33:47
  But one of the naiveties we face as a community is not knowing
• 33:50
  what to employ at which time. But the circumstances that Imam
• 33:53
  Hassan Ali Salaam was in was such that he was doing the thing
• 33:57
  which he deemed to be. And he knew Allah's will was
• 34:00
  that this is the right thing to do at this moment in time to
• 34:02
  prevent the bloodshed of the ummah and to stop the killing.
• 34:05
  And this is of course, one of the one of the terms of the of
• 34:08
  the treaty itself. He talked about the the dignity
• 34:12
  of the people, you know, not pillaging their properties like
• 34:14
  you mentioned as part of the terms of the treaty, about not
• 34:17
  making it a system of hereditary succession.
• 34:20
  Like you said, said, this is of course violated as well, not
• 34:23
  cursing a Middlemark money. And I live in a bipalib and that
• 34:26
  was of course violated as well. And it just goes on and on and
• 34:29
  on. But one thing I've learned, I
• 34:31
  think. And ruling by the justice of
• 34:32
  Allah. Yeah, absolutely.
• 34:34
  Yeah, yeah. One thing I've learned, at least
• 34:36
  on a personal level, I know said we spoke about this last week in
• 34:40
  a group, but they're the different imams and say perhaps
• 34:44
  you can correct me if I'm wrong, the different imams, Alayima
• 34:47
  Salaam showed resilience in the right way at the right time.
• 34:51
  Yeah, this is called wisdom. Wisdom hikmah and they did it in
• 34:54
  such a way where they would act according to circumstance.
• 34:58
  They would act with knowledge Ali mushribe.
• 35:00
  They would not act with knowledge of context and history
• 35:03
  and with the surroundings and what lies within people's hearts
• 35:06
  that surround them. And they would act accordingly.
• 35:08
  And and we, and I say we inclusive of those who are
• 35:11
  amongst the Imams at the time, were veiled, concealed, clouded
• 35:15
  from this knowledge and this truth that they couldn't see the
• 35:19
  jicama, they couldn't see the wisdom and the intentions of the
• 35:21
  Imam. And until today, 1400 years
• 35:24
  later after the soil, we still as a community of Shia and non
• 35:29
  Shia still may not truly understand why the Imam did what
• 35:32
  he did when you had other Imams who did other things at
• 35:34
  different times. I don't think we need to
• 35:35
  understand everything by them. They are the Hajj of Allah.
• 35:38
  That's exactly right. That's exactly, exactly right.
• 35:40
  You could trust in that. I have no clue what the doctor's
• 35:43
  doing, but I trust. I said I have no clue what that
• 35:45
  is. I can't even read your
• 35:47
  handwriting. I can't even understand the name
• 35:49
  of that. For example, antidote or that
• 35:51
  regimen of drug. I can't.
• 35:52
  I can't, but I trust you. Why?
• 35:54
  Because I know you are intelligent.
• 35:56
  You have a position that I don't deserve.
• 35:58
  I can't. So these things you apply them
• 36:00
  on that level personal, you have to understand that also applies
• 36:03
  on a spiritual leadership role as well.
• 36:05
  They are there for a reason, The proof of God.
• 36:09
  Why? Because the proof has been shown
• 36:11
  that I Now The thing is, this is a very interesting moment in in
• 36:21
  time because you got this Imam Ali Salaam who has now said I
• 36:26
  beautifully mentioned Satan. Keep in mind holistically
• 36:29
  everything that goes on. If I'm interested in power, on
• 36:32
  rule and domination, then there are other things I can do, but I
• 36:36
  have to keep in mind the interest of the followers of our
• 36:39
  way. One of the things that keeps
• 36:42
  this in mind is I demonstrating his political sharp acumen.
• 36:47
  I will make the terms. If you study political science,
• 36:49
  you know that in any type of agreement or compromise, he who
• 36:52
  writes the terms has already won.
• 36:55
  If the terms bargaining chip. Is exactly if the terms are in
• 36:58
  by you, even if it was proposed by the opposition.
• 37:01
  Happy you've won, you set the rules.
• 37:03
  If they've also agreed to follow through with them, you set what
• 37:05
  you want in these terms. That's number one showcases Imam
• 37:08
  Hassan is in control, not Mahalia.
• 37:11
  He might be saying, hey, let's make a a compromise Sol aslah
• 37:16
  from the terms to slee repair. Something is broken out there
• 37:19
  and the Imam has to come and fix it.
• 37:22
  In this situation, Imam says, by the way, the Sol of Imam Hassan
• 37:26
  is actually an ambiguous thing in the world of narrations.
• 37:29
  Having studied at myself, you won't find I've done to the best
• 37:33
  of I can deduction. You won't find a narration that
• 37:35
  talks about all the points. But scholarly efforts have
• 37:38
  showcased that when you combine all the narrations, each one
• 37:42
  with its different point, you get in total the full agreement
• 37:46
  which has 16 points. This imam says OK, well you want
• 37:52
  to compromise, I will. I will draw 16 points.
• 37:55
  The first is stop changing the Sunnah of Rasulullah so you can
• 38:00
  see where his priority is. The Sunnah of Rasulullah Friday
• 38:04
  Jamal was on a different day. You had, for example, many
• 38:08
  practices were added, innovations were included.
• 38:12
  You're changing the Dean at the end of the it's all about the
• 38:14
  Dean. That's why I'm even rising.
• 38:16
  I just want the faith to be in good hands, which is why Imam
• 38:19
  Hussein also rose. It's not for him.
• 38:21
  He had Mullica Ray offered. He had the opportunity to go to
• 38:25
  India, to go to Rome, to go to Yemen.
• 38:28
  He gave he got these options. So it's like I'm not interested
• 38:31
  in that. I want in Kanadino, Muhammad and
• 38:35
  Lemiyasta. It's a famous poem by the way,
• 38:39
  the the Dean of prophet is not going to stand up if it's not
• 38:43
  from my death all then swords come and take me.
• 38:46
  That's what I care. And that's why the prophet says
• 38:48
  Hussein mini well and I'm in Hussein.
• 38:51
  Why? Because Hussein is obviously
• 38:53
  from the prophet. But how is the prophet from him?
• 38:55
  It's because if it wasn't for Hussein we no one would know the
• 38:58
  prophet anymore. So Hussein revived him.
• 39:01
  There's a Thora Hosseinia that calls for it's time and place.
• 39:05
  There's a Thora Hassania as well.
• 39:07
  That means if you can be impactful and influential by
• 39:10
  making a war with the pen as opposed to the sword, then you
• 39:14
  have to do that. If Ahmed Hussein was in that
• 39:16
  position, he would have done the same thing.
• 39:18
  Likewise with Muhammad Hassan was in Karbala on the 10th of
• 39:20
  Muharram. Same exact thing.
• 39:22
  Especially because he's writing the terms.
• 39:25
  The terms demonstrate that he's in control.
• 39:27
  What's a modern example of this? I'll show you Grand Ayatollah
• 39:32
  assayed Alia Sistani Hafi Rahulah.
• 39:37
  We honor and adore all of our scholars who have sacrificed.
• 39:42
  He's made many decisions publicly that for some who may
• 39:49
  not rest their trust in the scholarly world, but question
• 39:52
  marks why say, don't call the Sunni our brother, rather call
• 39:58
  them ourselves? Why how dare we could be
• 40:02
  compared to the cell. What is a Sunni Slow down.
• 40:05
  This is a Muslim whether you like it or not, they're Muslims
• 40:09
  2 Do you realize when they say he says that it's O 4 Habibi,
• 40:13
  you got this. Are we coming out of nowhere?
• 40:15
  You got this preliminary motion of ISIS emerging.
• 40:19
  You got this random imbecile from a different country who
• 40:23
  wants to take over and you have thought if he and sectarian wars
• 40:27
  Imam and Hadi shrine was blown up and every Shiite is raging
• 40:31
  with fire and this generalization is kicking in.
• 40:34
  It takes discuss that before you decide to lash out on the non
• 40:37
  Shia. Remember that's yourself.
• 40:39
  The time called for that type of approach to showcase that this
• 40:43
  is Heckama. People will question why is why
• 40:46
  what I thought then when it calls for retaliation with the
• 40:50
  sword. Now we're going to be
• 40:52
  confrontational. 2014 kicks in. These guys are on our next door
• 40:56
  neighbor. That's what we have to raise
• 40:57
  arms against. Dodge these same lot, but
• 41:00
  there's a time where you raise arms using US pen, there's a
• 41:03
  time where you use the sword. He demonstrated that these
• 41:05
  things can happen because of the time and place calls for it, of
• 41:07
  course. She worked as we say.
• 41:09
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 41:10
  Everything in its own time. That's called wisdom.
• 41:13
  Yeah, well, the O'Shea female. The putting of the things that
• 41:19
  need to be put where they need to be, That's called justice.
• 41:23
  I dial. That's justice in this time
• 41:27
  place. This deserves to happen.
• 41:29
  Why? Because this is the only thing
• 41:30
  that can happen right now. In this case, Shia were
• 41:32
  preserved, the Sunnah was preserved.
• 41:35
  Stop the Lana on my father. He also showcased that you lift
• 41:39
  the embargo on the followers. If you die, I am alive.
• 41:44
  I become the Khalifa publicly, as in politically, if I that
• 41:48
  you're still alive, Hussein, Ali, Saddam, my brother is then
• 41:52
  going to assume that role just making all 16 terms.
• 41:55
  Another one was there's a a treasury in a place called
• 41:58
  Darius de Jordan in Iran that had over over a million dinar.
• 42:02
  He says that belongs to me, the treasury, not you.
• 42:05
  So he's taking care of the Shia financially as well.
• 42:08
  Yeah, my was just like, I agree. I agree.
• 42:10
  I don't want to fight you anymore.
• 42:12
  So he's thinking long term for the Shia's interest, for the for
• 42:17
  the interest of the Dina of the Salam, for all of these things.
• 42:20
  And then people came up to him and they said, Salaam alaykayyam
• 42:23
  with all the one who's humiliated the Mohs.
• 42:27
  Why? Why would you do that?
• 42:30
  Mamad hasn't. These are upright companions
• 42:31
  that approached him. Mamad Hassanati Saddam says,
• 42:34
  well, Halaika Salaam, you know. Yeah, well, Halaika Salaam, I'm
• 42:39
  not going to be like you. The beauty about agreement as
• 42:42
  such is when you know that the other side won't follow it, you
• 42:45
  then expose him. Expose him.
• 42:47
  You can't really fight a person who showcases Dean outwardly
• 42:52
  because others only see the Dean.
• 42:54
  And why are you finding someone who's a religious person?
• 42:56
  Of course. Big beard.
• 42:57
  He had a big beard. He had a big turban.
• 43:00
  He built messages he would do to spear.
• 43:05
  I wrote the Quran. You want to fight that guy?
• 43:08
  Some people will be under the wrong impression.
• 43:11
  With his son is different. His son Shaitan took notes under
• 43:14
  him. Yazid, I'm not even going to
• 43:17
  care publicly. I will drink in front of you.
• 43:19
  I will play with these wild animals to showcase my lack of
• 43:22
  interest in anything that involves responsibility.
• 43:25
  Womanized, cheat, gamble. I don't care that guy you fight
• 43:30
  if they're fighting you, obviously, because no one will
• 43:33
  say why are you fighting a religious person?
• 43:35
  A hypocrite needs to be exposed. The best way to expose them,
• 43:38
  Sadatna, the best way is to say, OK, there are things we're going
• 43:41
  to have to follow that day. You break them.
• 43:43
  You were exposed. Well, yeah, that's that's very
• 43:46
  true. Like with Yazid and ABBA
• 43:47
  Abdullah Hussein Salaam, I think Hakamat, it was clear, obvious.
• 43:51
  It was apparent. Oh yeah, it's a bit.
• 43:52
  Yeah, because Maui, he used to like deceive people and.
• 43:55
  That's the Hardy I'm saying. Babes to this day, yeah.
• 43:59
  We still hear. It the fitness that's that
• 44:01
  continues until now. That's that's so true.
• 44:04
  Say, can I ask a question for sure?
• 44:06
  You know, in the time of Imam Hassan Ali in Salaam, even just
• 44:10
  before the time of Imam Hassan Ali, Salam, from what I've
• 44:15
  heard, worked very hard to eradicate many a hadith
• 44:19
  attributed to the elevator on himself going as far as even for
• 44:23
  example, changing a hadith of that are and all of the
• 44:27
  elevator, For example, the previous Holafat.
• 44:30
  Well, from what are we are to rule Surya to rule Sham.
• 44:35
  How did he get that position? Many asked this question.
• 44:38
  I asked this question. I know you put in there.
• 44:41
  Yeah, I, I, but no one knows. Like someone has paved this?
• 44:45
  Or is this an indirect consequence of the earlier?
• 44:49
  It's exactly that you have to be honest with history.
• 44:52
  I mean you can't make fun of and lie about.
• 44:54
  The reality of the matter is these were the Mawi's existence
• 45:00
  and his power and his authority is the result of the efforts
• 45:04
  paved through Ahmad Ibn al Khabab by dispatching him or
• 45:11
  having those who were preceding Wahia his, his own relative, his
• 45:16
  his, his uncle who then succeeded him.
• 45:21
  Wahia then stays in Sham and while he's there, unfortunately,
• 45:26
  he decides to consider himself independent from the rest of the
• 45:28
  Khilafah. And if you're already
• 45:30
  independent of the Khilafah, why do you care about what happens
• 45:33
  to Rahman, Nahfan and Medina then?
• 45:35
  I thought you were independent. You're on, you're a king or
• 45:37
  whatever. So now no one can deny the fact
• 45:40
  that the wise decision making by the earlier caliph contributed
• 45:47
  eventually, Mahalia contributes eventually to Yazid, eventually
• 45:50
  paves the way for the biggest tragedy of Islamic history and
• 45:54
  world history, absolutely, which leads the way to the other
• 45:57
  empires to rise. And I mean, we can talk about
• 46:01
  how much and how much influence that was, but the fact of the
• 46:04
  matter is Islam, it's still strong no matter who sits on
• 46:09
  what chair. If you're sitting on the chair
• 46:11
  of Khalafa, not Khalafa, people become deceived quickly to think
• 46:14
  that why? And I think this is a lesson for
• 46:17
  us. Why is the wrong guy in charge?
• 46:21
  I thought God like likes us. I thought we're good.
• 46:25
  Yeah. And we're going to see this in
• 46:26
  life. And I think today we might even
• 46:27
  be seeing this in the same area. Right.
• 46:29
  And you're thinking to yourself, I thought we're on the right
• 46:31
  path. It's had.
• 46:32
  We've seen this movie before, though.
• 46:34
  We've seen them. And I think we know the endings
• 46:35
  of some of these movies as well. And that's why these things
• 46:38
  happen. Because if you look back, things
• 46:41
  were paved, agreements were violated.
• 46:43
  How does a country emerge and take over a land that clearly
• 46:46
  had they have no claim to because there are agreements
• 46:48
  that were violated. No agreements are violated #1 It
• 46:52
  showcases your, your conniving, deceptive 2 faced nature.
• 46:57
  At the same time, it gives a Hodge, hey, we made a deal and
• 47:01
  you violated it and not us. So we were willing to stay firm
• 47:04
  on this pact, on this deal, on the agreement.
• 47:06
  There are times and there's a place for uprisings that involve
• 47:11
  the weapons, and I think in today's world, time and place is
• 47:15
  extremely necessary and important.
• 47:17
  The only difference is it takes a leader who has that hecma to
• 47:21
  be able to make such decisions. And I think we need to rally
• 47:24
  behind our elite who have showcased that they have robust
• 47:30
  forbearance. And then we need to unite our
• 47:33
  word as Shia. Listen, bro, we're all team
• 47:35
  Shia. Of course, guys, we're team
• 47:37
  Shia. We can't handle this.
• 47:38
  We can't, for the love of God, stop with the differences that
• 47:43
  lead to dividing. You can have your differences.
• 47:46
  And I think I value the fact that you have your own
• 47:48
  worldview. I have my own mind.
• 47:50
  I even in levels of like deep personal values and beliefs and
• 47:55
  theology, I might have this opinion.
• 47:57
  You might stand on this stage in regards to this belief,
• 48:01
  regarding this ritual, this hokum.
• 48:06
  If you're still Team Shia, that means if there's an issue in our
• 48:09
  defence, you have to call it out.
• 48:12
  Not because I want to come after you, it's because if my defence
• 48:14
  is weak, we're all done. Yeah, absolutely.
• 48:17
  And I point these things out. It's not criticism.
• 48:19
  If you're going to criticize, you have to criticize for the
• 48:21
  purposes of constructive, not deconstructive.
• 48:25
  I mean, there's a hole in our ship.
• 48:28
  I'm going to come and I make it bigger.
• 48:29
  I'm going to sink too. I'm in the same boat, man.
• 48:32
  We're all in the same boat. That's your brother and that's
• 48:34
  your sister. Yes.
• 48:35
  And they have a different opinion.
• 48:37
  They do. Met them this way, They speak
• 48:39
  like this and they're in their Majidas.
• 48:41
  They subscribe to this worldview that is absolutely
• 48:45
  counterintuitive to yours. Are they followers of the lane?
• 48:48
  Yes. You have to own them.
• 48:50
  Final I said you know I really love you mentioned this point
• 48:53
  because just last week we had an episode of brother Mullah Siddiq
• 48:56
  yeah, we were talking about you know brothers in wilaya and he.
• 48:59
  Loved that episode. He said something very, very
• 49:02
  similar and he was like, you know what, you may disagree with
• 49:04
  something. Mind stinker like.
• 49:07
  I said he said you may disagree with something with your
• 49:10
  brother, you may have differences with your brother,
• 49:11
  whatever it may be. Does he have love for Imam Ali
• 49:15
  Ali assalam? Does he have that wilayah
• 49:17
  planted in the heart? Khalas don't go to war with him.
• 49:21
  Respect each other's differences.
• 49:23
  Understand where it's coming from.
• 49:25
  Why make a fuss? Why, you know, like turn your
• 49:28
  swords towards. You know, it's crazy, bro.
• 49:30
  You're talking about forgiveness for those who have with love of
• 49:33
  the Imam in their heart. But the the the Shia of the Imam
• 49:37
  himself did not forgive him. Do you know what I mean?
• 49:40
  So how could you do this? Would you would you say?
• 49:43
  Yeah. The little what many the.
• 49:44
  One the believers. And and you know, Subhan Allahu
• 49:47
  in the hadith says that the Imam and Saddam would say that I have
• 49:52
  granted you honour, I've saved your lives.
• 49:55
  If anything he says that what I have done has been more
• 49:59
  beneficial for you than the sun rising and setting.
• 50:01
  Yeah, yeah. Subhan Allah like the the the
• 50:04
  the grand strategic planning and and wisdom of the Imam protected
• 50:09
  added a a shade of of safety, security and comfort for the for
• 50:14
  the Shia that they didn't know. Do you want to see the the fruit
• 50:16
  of this agreement? This was done in the year 41.
• 50:20
  Yeah, after the hijrim Ali Ali Ali Salaam was murdered 4040.
• 50:24
  Imam Hassan was murdered 5041. For the next nine years, not a
• 50:29
  single Shia was killed. Hegeben Idea Kendi dies year 51.
• 50:34
  Yeah. Alan bin Hamakul Hussai dies
• 50:36
  year 51. There is not a single Shia
• 50:39
  public Shia major profile Shia that was killed in those nine
• 50:43
  years. He saved their lives.
• 50:44
  Yeah, some of them will come and they make fun of him.
• 50:47
  But you didn't know in nine years you were able to breathe.
• 50:50
  Why? Can I just ask why?
• 50:51
  Because in those years of Mahalia why was that but in the
• 50:55
  years of Imam has since life that they were violated.
• 50:57
  He was beholden to the contract that Iman made with Mahalia,
• 51:03
  that you leave the Shia alone, You don't hurt them, you allow
• 51:06
  them to work, you'll shop and don't close and you allow them
• 51:10
  to buy and you can marry from them.
• 51:12
  These were conditions in the. Can I clarify this thing?
• 51:14
  Yeah, 5 missiles just from the year 41 to 5059 years.
• 51:18
  There were shit being killed after the treaty.
• 51:22
  After the treaty, right? Not during the treaties, not
• 51:24
  during the Imam's life. After the Imam is martyred.
• 51:27
  That treaty, according to Mahalia, is under his feet.
• 51:31
  Oh, OK, I understand. Yeah, so he may have made an
• 51:34
  agreement with him. So he's like, I have to live
• 51:36
  with this agreement public. As soon as the imam dies, the
• 51:40
  condition of the agreement is that Hussein Abbnadi Alison
• 51:43
  receives the halafa. They're like, you have to fulfil
• 51:45
  this end. He's like the man who wrote it
• 51:47
  is done and his agreement is beneath my feet now.
• 51:49
  And now the man who's I made the terms with, I don't have to
• 51:53
  follow any of these conditions. Then he started coming back and
• 51:55
  killing the Shia and bar goes, you know, and all all the other
• 51:59
  everything else that was listed. He revived them again.
• 52:02
  But while Elon Hassan was alive, he brought honour to the MOT
• 52:05
  mini and not the and not humiliation for nine years.
• 52:08
  Little did they know that they could marry.
• 52:10
  Now people can have their businesses active, people can
• 52:13
  shop from them. The Sunna wasn't changed.
• 52:15
  And all the while my passes in Medina spreading the gems of of
• 52:20
  Rasulullah of Quran. Yeah.
• 52:22
  I mean, Oh my God, the things he does, the duas he has, the, the,
• 52:26
  those moments where he interacts with people, he's like, not only
• 52:29
  am I along with Shia, to brief, I'm going to become an example,
• 52:32
  OK. And so this was like 9 years of
• 52:34
  peace. So long as our leader is alive,
• 52:36
  we're in good hands. They, they said Ma Orifet al
• 52:40
  Arab, Vil Hatamat al Hassan. The Arab did not know any real
• 52:44
  humiliation until he died. After he died, man, we did not
• 52:49
  know what we had until we lost it.
• 52:50
  And he's the one who studied Mohammed, Hassan, Tujhel and
• 52:53
  Nehem for either well, let Orifet.
• 52:57
  But the blessings are unknown while they're around.
• 52:59
  Until they go, then they are known.
• 53:02
  In other words, you don't know what you have until it's gone.
• 53:04
  Yeah. He says that very clearly.
• 53:06
  And you don't know that I'm a blessing among you.
• 53:09
  As soon as he left, why am I beholden to any of these terms?
• 53:12
  He's gone. Can I ask, you said so a lot of
• 53:15
  the time when if I was to ask Shia from around the world, and
• 53:18
  I mean this question, I'm thinking about those one remote
• 53:21
  areas of Pakistan, those who live in Africa, in different
• 53:25
  parts of the world. What do you know about the
• 53:27
  personality of Amir Ahmad Mineen?
• 53:28
  Talk to me about what he was like, his character, the way he
• 53:31
  spoke. You know, he had his strength
• 53:34
  and then at times he was introverted and passive.
• 53:37
  And then you ask them about Imam Hussein Alayhi Salaam, they'll
• 53:40
  be able to characterize him as well and understand his
• 53:42
  personality in such a way. When you think of Imam Hassan
• 53:46
  Salaam, Allah Alayhi, what do you think of in terms of his
• 53:50
  character? What, what stands out to you as
• 53:53
  overwhelming qualities about him which draw you to him?
• 53:58
  You know what, what's, what is the light of a Muhammad Hassan
• 54:01
  Ali Salaam, which you want the world and especially the
• 54:04
  listeners now to know about him and to to kind of remember on on
• 54:09
  the blessed with either which is forthcoming.
• 54:11
  I'm going to say this, and it's going to be simple, but it's so
• 54:15
  meaningful. I would describe him in one word
• 54:19
  in my study, very simple study, I would call him thoughtful.
• 54:25
  He really thought about everyone.
• 54:28
  He doesn't make a decision unless he's taking everything
• 54:30
  into consideration. He's called Kareem a little bit,
• 54:34
  right? I mean, you can say he's
• 54:35
  generous, but you can't be generous without being
• 54:38
  thoughtful. Of course, he goes back to the
• 54:40
  end of it. I'm going to even think about, I
• 54:44
  don't want you to beg in front of me, so I will hide behind the
• 54:47
  door. And then when you knock, I'm not
• 54:50
  even going to let you see me hand you my food or money that
• 54:53
  I'm going to give you. So you don't know that I know it
• 54:56
  was you to preserve your dignity.
• 54:59
  Of course. He even thinks of a person in
• 55:01
  that regard. I'm that thoughtful.
• 55:02
  Otherwise, if you're begging me for food and you're knocking on
• 55:04
  my door, the door of which never returns, someone empty handed,
• 55:09
  I'm going to give you. And you don't care if I see that
• 55:12
  it's you who's begging. You know, sometimes Youtubers
• 55:14
  like to do this social experiment where they go up to a
• 55:17
  homeless man here's feeding you, here's whatever, and they just
• 55:19
  embarrassed the person. You know what if they get out of
• 55:21
  that situation one day, Now you've archived them when they
• 55:24
  were in a humbled state where they feel humiliated and mom has
• 55:28
  like, I don't want you to leave with the font that someone knows
• 55:32
  you begged at one point. So when they knock on his door,
• 55:35
  all they see is a hand holding a bag of food.
• 55:38
  Here you go. No, I, I'm thinking about your
• 55:40
  dignity, a story that I love so much.
• 55:44
  You said, you know, you go to the world's throughout the
• 55:47
  world, Pakistan and in Harappan, in Iran and elsewhere in the
• 55:50
  States and Canada, and you think about these legends and you all
• 55:53
  can see a common denominator. Everyone will agree highly
• 55:55
  strong for saying sacrifice Imam.
• 55:58
  It hasn't say everything, but never forget that he manifested
• 56:02
  thoughtfulness. There's a story.
• 56:05
  A man comes to the House of Imam.
• 56:06
  Hasn't He asks him for some help and he gives him.
• 56:09
  This man wants to gift to the Imam something for his
• 56:13
  generosity. Yeah, but he's poor, So what
• 56:17
  does he have to give him? So he offers him something
• 56:20
  arbitrary. Nothing material.
• 56:23
  He makes some poetry. He wants to say that, look, you
• 56:27
  gave me so much when I was in need.
• 56:29
  I want to repay you. However, I don't have anything
• 56:32
  to give you. You're a Karima Hell, mate.
• 56:35
  You have it all right. I'm going to gift you poetry.
• 56:38
  So he has some poems, but he wants to go to his home, knock
• 56:43
  on the door and have the imam give him something and say in
• 56:48
  return, I'm going to gift you some poetry.
• 56:50
  So he still is going to him for assistance.
• 56:53
  The guy knocks on his door and just before he's able to demand
• 56:59
  from the imam and ask him, can you help me?
• 57:01
  Imam says before you continue, here's a bit of food and here's
• 57:05
  some wealth. He says sayidi Mata, rektani,
• 57:10
  Allah tetrokani, Abu ho bhaijati and shiro mithati moulai.
• 57:17
  Why don't you leave me just asking what I want first and
• 57:21
  then I give you what I am about to offer you.
• 57:24
  He's like you just beat me to it, let me ask 1st and then I'll
• 57:29
  compensate you. You already gave me something
• 57:33
  without having me even ask, Imam says.
• 57:36
  It's as if he is saying I will give you something instead.
• 57:41
  You want to give me poetry, I know.
• 57:44
  So the Imam says how will I give you poetry on top of the wealth
• 57:48
  and assistance I've already provided?
• 57:50
  Imam hasn't starts to recite him poetry.
• 57:52
  And you think about it, he doesn't want anything back from
• 57:54
  him. He's not even willing to take
• 57:55
  something arbitrary. Don't even give me poems.
• 57:59
  No, no, no. It's like the give and take.
• 58:01
  I don't want to have you transactional.
• 58:03
  It's not transactional. It's not material.
• 58:04
  It's not something that you can just offer and then it's you
• 58:06
  lose it. You still keep the poem.
• 58:09
  In some sense it was not even that.
• 58:11
  In fact, how about I give you some poem?
• 58:14
  And then he says the fall of them and back the failure.
• 58:29
  Haju, that we are a people. Gaining anything from us is so
• 58:33
  easy. You just come to our door and
• 58:35
  we'll give it to you. Hope and aspiration rests with
• 58:39
  us. We give to the person before
• 58:42
  they even make their request, to honor the dignity so that they
• 58:46
  don't feel humiliated. So if the sea knew the degree of
• 58:50
  our generosity, it would have shrunk after it was overflowed.
• 59:01
  He gives him poetry back. Don't even bother.
• 59:03
  And he gives them what he does. That's Kareem.
• 59:07
  That's Karam. That's generosity.
• 59:10
  That's the epitome of philanthropy and charity.
• 59:14
  Or I'm not even willing to say some poems.
• 59:16
  And on top of that, I'm going to give you 1.
• 59:18
  And on top of that, give me what you want.
• 59:19
  Yeah, that, that, that's that. Not thoughtfulness.
• 59:22
  Is there even a word for that In in, in English?
• 59:24
  Probably gone. The son of Ali a lot because you
• 59:28
  can only become like when you're when you're raised by Emira the
• 59:32
  price. You.
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  Know it makes sense. Like.
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  You know when I like. Right now I'm teaching my my,
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  my, my son about the the story of Allah Kasat when when the
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  three people knock on the door 3 consecutive days and Imam Hassan
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  Hassan are unwell and they do the nether on the eye and the
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  Holy Quran. And of course, yeah.
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  And we like we see this now like these were embodied in in the in
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  the Imam Hassan Hassan name Saddam from a young age, like it
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  was there. It was the development was there
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  like it was in front of them. They were unwell.
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  Salaam Muhammad, Salah Salaam said do this never for three
• 1:00:10
  days fast. And then you see what happens.
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  And Subhan Allah, you see that they just embodied this, this.
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  And you know what's crazy? Subhan Allah said, it's like
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  hitting me now when we talk about Imam Hassan, he gave,
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  yeah, he gave material. Imam Hussein gave him material.
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  He gave his family even material to a degree.
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  But they gave from their souls, like Imam Hassan gave his
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  reputation, Imam Hussein gave his reputation.
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  They gave their, their, their. What's the word I'm looking for?
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  Like they. Gave her the class.
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  Yeah. But more than that as well as
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  like they gave up a position that's the one I'm looking for.
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  Like they gave up what could have been a Makam or like.
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  Because they're not after it. Yeah, like a title or something
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  where people say, wow, you know, like Imam Hussein died with, you
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  know, he was martyred with with tattered clothing.
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  You know, Imam Hussein was was martyred with arrows on his
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  Janazah. Like these are, you know, they
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  reached the peak, the peak of Iman, you know, and they in the
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  eyes of people who had no Iman, they were seen to be lowly.
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  It's a panel one. But in the eyes of Alaska, they
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  are the most elevated status. And it just makes you think that
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  in these days, these are the days of the elevated Quran, you
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  know these the status in the eyes of God is not what we deem
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  it to be in the eyes of man today.
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  Do you know what I? Mean they are the fuck Elaine, I
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  remember I I was listening to a lecture actually quite very
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  recently and something very similar to this topic we have
• 1:01:40
  now was mentioned and someone came a companion Oxy Mohammed
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  Hassan Ali Salaam. He was like, you know, why
• 1:01:46
  shouldn't we rise now? And he and he was like, have you
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  not seen the state of the people?
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  It's very similar to the time of Rasul Allah when the Polyphus at
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  the Polyphus, they they did what?
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  They rejected revelation. Yeah.
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  And what's Mahavir doing now? Rejecting the interpretation,
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  which is artists at the Bates. So it was like there's they
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  almost confused. They almost reached a stage
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  where they didn't know Hafiz battle.
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  And you mentioned a very nice point, say the way you said, you
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  know, during that nine years, Imam and Hassan was doing what?
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  Teaching Quran, sharing the gems and the wisdom, and this is what
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  allowed, I think for support for Imam Hussein.
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  Yeah, bring back the clarity of what's truth is falsehood.
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  Otherwise it was going to stand beside the Barb.
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  And you know what, I think what's amazing is it also set
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  the precedent for the Shia in later centuries to understand
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  that the different Imams and IBM Salaam each had that strategy.
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  Imam Ali, Aliyah Salaam, at times we saw him rise.
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  At times we saw him take a step back and wait for the right
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  moment. Imam has an Imam Hussein in
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  their own ways as well. And then of course, when you get
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  to the time of Mohammad Al Islam, who of course had a
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  position in government, you talk about the Imams who are under
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  house arrest, the Imams who are imprisoned.
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  These the shit are at the time became aware that we have to
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  play it by ear. We can't just be what's the word
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  I'm looking for? I keep losing my words today.
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  We can't be aggressive and we can't be confrontational
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  sometimes. You know, I heard someone say
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  the other day, in fact it was a scholar who said to me in a
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  private gathering, he said to me one of the flaws of our
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  community. In his humble kind of
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  assessment, he says sometimes we are too Mokhtari or too Zaidi in
• 1:03:30
  the way we approach things. You know, for example, you talk
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  about Zaidi in Ali. Why did Mama Bach and Imam Salim
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  Salam not rise at the time? They thought there was a time
• 1:03:39
  and place to take up arms. In the same way, when we talk
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  about Mokhtar and the difference between him and Imam Sajad after
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  the battle of Kabbalah, they had their approaches right.
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  But sometimes we are quite naive.
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  We talked about said Sistani and may well preserve him.
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  The the wisdom that kind of came from from the the fatwas.
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  I think it taught many of us a lesson because it's Mokaladin
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  and and many of us who follow him and respect him, even if
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  we're not his Mokaladin. But we saw that there is ways to
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  approach things the right time and place.
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  I don't. One of the biggest things I
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  would ask people at home to take away from from this discussion
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  is mainly the fact that leadership is not always about
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  the grip of power. Do you see what I mean?
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  It's not always about the grip of power, but it's about doing
• 1:04:24
  the right thing. Sometimes the difficult thing in
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  a moment of time where you know that your people need this,
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  whether they know it or not, doesn't matter.
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  And Muhammad Hassan acted in a way where he was seen to
• 1:04:35
  relinquish power. But what he did was he
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  maintained the dignity and the lives.
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  He stopped the spilling of the blood of his own Shia.
• 1:04:42
  And in doing so he protected his community.
• 1:04:45
  But he also exposed the enemy. He exposed them for their
• 1:04:47
  hypocrisy, their manipulation, their deceit.
• 1:04:50
  And of course 20 years exactly later, the 61 after Hitler, the
• 1:04:55
  battle of Karbala took place and it all started from the decades
• 1:04:57
  prior and we saw the the four like dominoes in build up to
• 1:05:02
  Karbala. We saw Yazid and and the tactics
• 1:05:04
  he employed. Although he was a public Sinner,
• 1:05:07
  he had similarities to his father.
• 1:05:09
  Of course, then then their their, the root origin of their
• 1:05:13
  hate of the albeit came from the same source, you know, and that
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  the whole of Banu Ameya was exposed with that he knows.
• 1:05:20
  I think it's interesting for us just from a reflection
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  perspective to understand that what a mammoth has.
• 1:05:26
  Reflection just for a moment, because something is striking me
• 1:05:29
  as you're saying all of this, you know, you we gave the
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  examples of, for example, the Fatahwa by the Maraja and now
• 1:05:35
  we're talking about why did the mammoth Hassan to soda, for
• 1:05:37
  example, on that point of, you know, they are the Hodge of
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  Allah as the widget, right? So they can do whatever they
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  want to do, whether we understand or not.
• 1:05:46
  Talking about reflection, if we go to the Holy Quran being, you
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  know, the month of Ramadan, let's open up that book and show
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  Allah I learn from it. I remember something Moussa al
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  his Salam when he didn't understand what Hodor was doing.
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  And Hodor kept telling him, stop asking me, I'll tell you later,
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  right? And then Moussa, you know, he
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  sees like the hole in the ship. What's going on?
• 1:06:07
  We're gonna sing. Imam has a references this
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  right? Is it?
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  I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So panel, there's a way. I promise to God.
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  I promise to God. I read the hadith on this as a
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  reference. One right, Karen, Karen on the
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  right track. And then he sees all the slaying
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  of the young boy and again he says, what's going on?
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  He goes I told you, I told you not to ask.
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  You're not going to understand. Sometimes we're not going to
• 1:06:26
  understand right. If Moussa Alayhi Salaam, you
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  know, had like questions or like what on earth is happening.
• 1:06:33
  It looks wrong at the at that time, but there was heck man
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  behind it as Allah has destined for it to happen.
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  I think sometimes we just need to sit back and know our place.
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  They are the Mussol mean. Trust, trust in God, trust in
• 1:06:48
  God, trust his way. Put your trust in him to what
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  could means have full reliance on the law.
• 1:06:53
  Full reliance is you can sleep while they take the wheel.
• 1:06:56
  You don't have to worry of you know what will they do?
• 1:06:58
  Well, will they drive safe? I have full trust in you.
• 1:07:03
  You know, imagine if like an F1 driver is the guy taking you
• 1:07:06
  around town and through a busy intersection.
• 1:07:09
  You're a good man. This person can handle speeds of
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  200 miles. You're good.
• 1:07:14
  I think in the fast pace of life, we need to sit back and
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  just trust in God's wisdom, even if we don't comprehend it and
• 1:07:20
  understand it. Appreciate the fact that someone
• 1:07:23
  smarter, more wise is taking control and you've put your
• 1:07:27
  trust and levelled your trust in their hands.
• 1:07:30
  So that's what it really means at the end of the day that I
• 1:07:33
  know we're in good hands, even though I don't know the name of
• 1:07:36
  the pilots, but I know we're going to get there.
• 1:07:39
  That's so true. So then why do I need to bother
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  about learning or understanding or trying to comprehend the
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  decision and the competence of the one piloting my world every
• 1:07:51
  single day? I never care about will I wake
• 1:07:54
  up breathing tomorrow? I know it's in his hands because
• 1:07:57
  it's it's showed me before. I don't ask questions about the
• 1:08:01
  bus driver if they're going to drive us well, because are they
• 1:08:04
  learn to do that. I know you're good because
• 1:08:06
  you're by default in control. I know the fact that it's in
• 1:08:09
  your hands, you're in control. Then I should relax.
• 1:08:12
  I'm good. It's good.
• 1:08:14
  Or chill. He's done it before, he'll do it
• 1:08:17
  again. And if things go through a bumpy
• 1:08:20
  terrain and turbulence, well, that might be just a wake up
• 1:08:23
  haul. So you were snoozing off.
• 1:08:25
  A little bit of shake will wake me up.
• 1:08:27
  As upon Allah and times and struggle, hurdles, obstacles,
• 1:08:30
  pitfalls, they do wake us up. Because Imam Ali says if God
• 1:08:34
  didn't create death nor sickness nor illness, man will not bow
• 1:08:38
  down to anything. Excellent beautiful, what AI
• 1:08:42
  think? Stock reminder for us, honestly.
• 1:08:44
  Man will not bow down to anything if you get to a point
• 1:08:47
  where you're like, I'm in control.
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  No you're not. Let me remind you.
• 1:08:51
  Boom. Global pandemic.
• 1:08:53
  We need that humbling. Humble man, humble yourself to
• 1:08:59
  Allah, he'll rise you. But don't try to rise above
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  Allah. Don't think I got this.
• 1:09:03
  No, no, no. Muhammad Ali.
• 1:09:05
  Sick quote. He says God gave me Parkinson's
• 1:09:09
  disease in the later years of my life because for the most part
• 1:09:12
  of my life I kept saying I'm the greatest.
• 1:09:15
  He reminded me no, he is a love 1.
• 1:09:17
  Amazing. Just quickly before we wrap up,
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  said Ali. You're a man, said Ali.
• 1:09:23
  You've mentioned the remorse. Ali Salaam Imam has sent his
• 1:09:27
  response to a person who called the Imam the humiliator of pious
• 1:09:30
  men. As you mentioned, I'm not the
• 1:09:33
  humiliator, humiliator of pious men.
• 1:09:35
  Rather I've raised their honour so that I realized that you Shia
• 1:09:38
  did not have the power to resist and confront the Syrian Army.
• 1:09:41
  I handed the Caliphate to Mahawi in order to save your lives.
• 1:09:45
  Just as a tactful person who causes a defect in a ship to
• 1:09:48
  save its owners and passengers. Life pointing the Quranic story
• 1:09:51
  of Mosul Khaler in Sotel Kaha, our story is similar to this.
• 1:09:56
  This is because we could remain among our enemies and opponents.
• 1:09:59
  He references this exact hadith and I think it's so nice that.
• 1:10:02
  You brought out and that's why the Bates are one in one with
• 1:10:05
  the Holy Quran. Yeah, they are The Walking,
• 1:10:07
  talking, speaking, living, breathing book of God because
• 1:10:10
  that's all they use in referencing and analyzing and
• 1:10:13
  deducting and providing and explaining and guiding us in the
• 1:10:18
  ship of life. You know one of the things they
• 1:10:20
  always say to us, they always say where's, where's the Imam in
• 1:10:23
  the Quran? Where's their name?
• 1:10:24
  Where's you don't need to see their name in the Quran.
• 1:10:27
  You can see the Quran in them a lot.
• 1:10:29
  You know what I'm saying? Like their their actions, their
• 1:10:32
  clock, their hadith, all of this stuff.
• 1:10:34
  You see the Quran, Imam Al Hassan is in Medina and a man
• 1:10:37
  enters the city and he says, I have a question about tefsir.
• 1:10:40
  Yeah. And there's an ayah Switz
• 1:10:42
  brugge, Washa hidden or meshu. Put it as how they look, dude.
• 1:10:47
  And so and then so he enters Medina.
• 1:10:52
  He says they're teaching. All of them are sitting in the
• 1:10:54
  measure of the Prophet and they have their halakat and their
• 1:10:57
  teachers and everyone sitting around the teacher.
• 1:10:59
  I go to the first teacher and I say who is what are the Shahid
• 1:11:04
  and what is the meshoud? Who is the seer observer and
• 1:11:07
  what is being observed. I ask this first man who's
• 1:11:11
  teaching and he says to me, As for the Shahid, it's Yom El
• 1:11:16
  Jumua. As for the mashood, it's Yom El
• 1:11:20
  Kiyama. He gets, he says that that's a
• 1:11:24
  good answer, but how does that even relate?
• 1:11:26
  How does Juma see? How does what's the what's
• 1:11:29
  beyond? He goes to another circle of
• 1:11:31
  group and he says Ustad Sheikh Shahid mashood, what's the tips
• 1:11:35
  here? He's like, As for the Shahid,
• 1:11:37
  it's the day of alafa. As for the mashood, it's beyond.
• 1:11:41
  They repeat that he said that doesn't make sense.
• 1:11:43
  I don't understand someone's looking.
• 1:11:45
  How is a day something that is observant goes to a third one
• 1:11:49
  And he says that third individual can know what Jahud
• 1:11:52
  Dinar, his face is radiating like the gold coin that we use.
• 1:11:56
  He's like, what's the Shahid? What's the mahud?
• 1:11:58
  He's like the Shahid. There's none other than
• 1:12:00
  Rasulullah Muhammad, and the mahud is none other than the
• 1:12:08
  Prophet himself. Like how he says, hello, the
• 1:12:11
  Quran, yahun Nabi, all messenger of God, inna baath naka shahiden
• 1:12:16
  Omo bashiran when Adira. And then he says, O holy
• 1:12:22
  Messenger of God, we have dispatched you as an observer.
• 1:12:28
  And then he brings an ayah in reference that the day of
• 1:12:31
  judgement is that day of which all things will be witnessed.
• 1:12:36
  And by mentioning this ayah, he showcased that the prophet of
• 1:12:39
  Islam is the one witnessing and the day of the judgement is the
• 1:12:42
  day that is receiving on the recipient of the witnessing of
• 1:12:45
  the Holy Messenger of God. He says, at that point I asked
• 1:12:48
  who were all these three? The first one they said was Ibn
• 1:12:50
  Ammar. The second one they said was Ibn
• 1:12:52
  Abbas. The third one they said was Ibn
• 1:12:54
  Ibn Ibn Ibn. I thought about Hassan and
• 1:12:55
  Mushbah. You're familiar with the famous
• 1:12:58
  story where the Romans, they come and they ask, for example,
• 1:13:01
  Mahalia, Hey, we have 10 questions regarding the hardness
• 1:13:05
  level of each object. One is harder than the last.
• 1:13:09
  Can you answer which 10-1 is harder than the next?
• 1:13:12
  He's like, I don't know what you're talking about, but
• 1:13:14
  there's a man in Medina who might answer that question for
• 1:13:16
  you. So they go to Medina and they're
• 1:13:18
  like, who's this top notch quality scholar paradigm of
• 1:13:22
  intelligence that we keep hearing about like his name is,
• 1:13:24
  hasn't him now how do you go? He goes to how it has these
• 1:13:28
  Roman and I guess delegates were just coming around asking weird
• 1:13:30
  questions, but they're like, hey, there are 10 things in
• 1:13:32
  life, which is one harder, stronger than the next.
• 1:13:37
  He says. You know, The thing is, stone is
• 1:13:41
  hard, but iron breaks stone. Fire melts iron.
• 1:13:46
  Water extinguishes fire. The cloud carries the water.
• 1:13:51
  The wind moves the cloud. The Angel who controls the wind
• 1:13:55
  controls the wind. The Angel of death overpowers
• 1:13:58
  the Angel that controls the wind.
• 1:14:00
  Death overpowers the Angel of death, and Allah overpowers it
• 1:14:03
  all, for he is the living that does not die.
• 1:14:08
  He goes through all of these things.
• 1:14:10
  There are debates between Imam Hassan and Yazid Abdnammuhalia
• 1:14:13
  himself. Yazid confronts him, for Yazid's
• 1:14:16
  first confrontation wasn't with Imam Hussain in Sham, it was
• 1:14:20
  with Imam Hassan. And I think it developed in him
• 1:14:23
  a sense of a culmination of hatred that now it's like, I've,
• 1:14:27
  I've seen this movie before with your brother.
• 1:14:30
  And so Imam Hassan has a full on debate when they meet in Hajj,
• 1:14:34
  they meet, they gather. And as he comes and Imam, we
• 1:14:37
  have this back and forth. Of course, Imam hasn't smoked
• 1:14:40
  some as he usually does, you know.
• 1:14:42
  And so it's this is our Imam. And we should be so honored and
• 1:14:46
  delighted. And we have to do more work in
• 1:14:50
  appreciating his sacrifice and understanding his
• 1:14:52
  thoughtfulness. He's eating bread and he's
• 1:14:54
  breaking a piece of it and giving it to a dog.
• 1:14:58
  This is not befitting of your quality.
• 1:15:00
  You eat from the same thing that you're giving this dog.
• 1:15:05
  To which he says ini astechi AKA gel and akula.
• 1:15:14
  I am embarrassed. I feel unwell that I eat and a
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  soul is staring at me hungry. The animals were recipients of
• 1:15:26
  his generosity. He's like, I can't shame on me,
• 1:15:29
  I'm eating. Here's an animal, a dog that we
• 1:15:32
  kick around and we find as dirty in the streets and we just
• 1:15:35
  ignore and we avoid. And I says no, no, I will feed
• 1:15:37
  you from what God has given me because I don't like the fact
• 1:15:40
  that you're hungry and you're looking at me.
• 1:15:42
  If that's not peak generosity, well, I don't know what is.
• 1:15:46
  He's he's he's Karim a little bit Karam generosity in all
• 1:15:50
  levels that he's even willing to give up his own right of
• 1:15:54
  political leadership, but not his God-given right of
• 1:15:58
  leadership. Iman not the Imara.
• 1:16:02
  And that's our Imam. That's why we should be proud.
• 1:16:04
  He paved the way for Imam and Hussein's uprising.
• 1:16:07
  He says La Yom Kyomuk ABBA Abdullah that 30,000 will come
• 1:16:14
  at you and there is no day like your day.
• 1:16:15
  Imam Hussein loved his brother. How much we love Imam Hussein,
• 1:16:19
  They show that same love to his brother because he loved his
• 1:16:21
  brother more than he loved his own self.
• 1:16:23
  He is the Imam for Imam Hussein. Actually we have to get our
• 1:16:27
  priorities straight. That's a lane is what we need to
• 1:16:31
  be focusing on in life. The Quran and the other debate.
• 1:16:33
  If you have your Shia friend who you're not seeing eye to eye
• 1:16:36
  with, you kept saying this is so beautiful that so long as they
• 1:16:40
  meet you on this level, it's worth it.
• 1:16:43
  If a dog can be a recipient of your generosity, your fellow
• 1:16:46
  Shia won't. Your official fellow Shia can't
• 1:16:48
  because they have disagreements with you on a social, economic,
• 1:16:51
  political, geopolitical, theological, spiritual,
• 1:16:53
  jurisprudential level. That's it, That you counseled
• 1:16:56
  them. You are a Shia.
• 1:16:58
  Hassan is the key and Nas al Amin Suttoro Sulila al much taba
• 1:17:04
  APA al motaha Ibn APA. You are better than that.
• 1:17:10
  You have higher standards, you're stronger than that.
• 1:17:13
  Harm people if you want to do that, belittle them.
• 1:17:15
  Just don't call yourself a Shia. We can't afford this because
• 1:17:19
  sacrifices have been made so much to the highest proportions.
• 1:17:24
  And here comes someone who says I am a Shiree and then rebukes,
• 1:17:28
  hurts, bullies, bad mouths others who are also from their
• 1:17:34
  same worldview. If a dog is a recipe of
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  generosity, as the Imam showed, I'm ashamed to eat while this is
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  hungry and staring at me. Actually, get your priorities
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  straight. Let's put the bygones away in
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  honor of his blessed molded. Let's learn to be like him, even
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  if it means sometimes by eating the bullet for the greater good.
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  And I think in the world today we need more of that.
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  If only the world knew Imam. It hasn't better.
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  You just said, Ali, one of my favorite things.
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  You know we've hosted 127. Episodes.
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  After mocking up I think I have the best best best job in the
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  world one I get to hear such eloquence and piety and words of
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  said Muhammad has not Habibi thank you Habibi say thank you
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  so much. So kind of you to say it means
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  so much to us to have you again the honor back in Charlotte
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  annual tradition. We expect you here year in year,
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  I. Expect an upgraded studio, yeah.
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  With your dog, We'll be there and shall we'll?
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  Discuss the moment for saying this.
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  And Charlotte. Charlotte.
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  Bad you guys have paved the way. Subhanallah make guys we have we
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  have 12 of these imams. You guys ready?
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  We have to. We have to do justice.
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  Shallow. We make it annual tradition.
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  Why not? Why not be in my 40s by the time
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  we finish? Well, this is a lot, but how do
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  you are? Yeah, yeah.
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  This work, this work and all the all the other work people do in
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  the head man the service of this religions to the grave.
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  Yeah. Well, I'm 40.
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  No, I. Expect to see this discussion
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  held in Barzakh inshallah, right brother?
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  Yeah, why not? Why not?
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  Why? We're chilling there for a
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  First, have you seen that? Thank you so much.
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  Thank you, thank you so much and inshallah, I know I'm inspired.
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  Inshallah those listening and watching around the world are
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  Salaam. Thank you so much.
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