Latest / Podcasts By Donna Jodhan / Remarkable World Commentary Episode #77: Ask Advocate Donna
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- 0:13Podcast Commentator: Greetings. Donna J. Jodhan, LLB, ACSP and MBA,
- 0:19invites you to listen to her biweekly podcast,
- 0:22Remarkable World Commentary.
- 0:24Here, Donna shares some of her innermost thoughts,
- 0:27insights, perspectives and more with her listeners.
- 0:31Donna focuses on topics that directly affect the future of kids,
- 0:35especially kids with disabilities.
- 0:38Donna is a blind advocate, author, site loss coach,
- 0:42dinner mystery producer, writer, entrepreneur,
- 0:46law graduate, and podcast commentator.
- 0:49She has decades of lived experiences, knowledge,
- 0:53skills, and expertise in access technology and information as someone who has been
- 0:59internationally recognized for her work and roles,
- 1:02she just wants to make things better than possible.
- 1:07Donna J. Jodhan, LLB, ACSP, MBA: Hello, I'm Donna, and welcome to the second Remarkable World commentary from me for the
- 1:16month of February 2026.
- 1:19I started in January to include the Ask Advocate Donna feature every month,
- 1:27and this is a rollover from my Ask Donna Advocacy in Action podcast,
- 1:37because after having received so much feedback,
- 1:41comments, and thoughts from my listeners, I wanted to continue in this mode.
- 1:47And every month I'll be bringing you the Ask Advocate Donna feature.
- 1:54I have restructured it and what I'm doing is trying to share stuff with you and encourage
- 2:02you to think on your feet when it comes to advocacy.
- 2:07Be not afraid of advocacy.
- 2:10Embrace it. Cherish it, and let's roll with it.
- 2:15Okay. I have a quote I like to start with.
- 2:21Speak in such a way that others love to listen to you.
- 2:27And listen in such a way that others love to speak to you.
- 2:33I like that quote. Okay, I want to start with a word game,
- 2:39and many of my listeners have said to me that they really appreciate this word game because
- 2:46I give you two sets of words, and I encourage you to think about how you
- 2:53view these words. I'll tell you how I view these words.
- 2:58And before I continue, please do not hesitate to send me your
- 3:02feedback to Donna Jordan at gmail.com.
- 3:08That's d o. N at. So let's dive into the
- 3:18word game for this month.
- 3:20Okay, here we go. What do you think of these two words respect versus
- 3:28disrespect. Do you think that respect is something that advocates need to keep
- 3:36uppermost in their minds?
- 3:39Do you agree with me that respect is earned?
- 3:43It is not given. It is earned.
- 3:47It is not given. If you engage in disrespect.
- 3:54I don't think that advocacy would be meaningful or productive.
- 4:02Sometimes it is awfully difficult to avoid disrespect when engaging and communicating
- 4:10with others because, you know, people either inadvertently or intentionally
- 4:17give out disrespect either that they're angry,
- 4:21upset, disappointed, or just plain old mad.
- 4:25So they offer disrespect.
- 4:29My advice to this is ignore the disrespect.
- 4:33Just keep on going. Keep on showing respect and it will all come out in the better for
- 4:42you. Okay, so here is the next set of words.
- 4:50Courteous or Condescend.
- 4:54Are some people courteous to you meaningfully,
- 4:58or they're just being courteous for being courteous?
- 5:02Sick do they? Condescend and condescension often comes when someone is
- 5:11perceived to be overly courteous.
- 5:16It comes across as being, you know, condescension or it's con.
- 5:20It's being condescending.
- 5:24One has to be really careful when it comes to the difference between courteous and
- 5:29condescending. So courteous versus condescending.
- 5:34What is it going to be?
- 5:37I do my best to be courteous, but boy oh boy,
- 5:40sometimes it is awfully difficult to avoid the condescension route.
- 5:46Let's stay on the side of being courteous.
- 5:49For what it's worth. Let's do our best to always be courteous.
- 5:55Sometimes it doesn't take much and sometimes it takes a lot.
- 6:01But courteous or courtesy is always better than condescension.
- 6:08That's my word game for this month.
- 6:11And now I have three stories to share with you for this month.
- 6:17And let's see what you think of it.
- 6:20Write to me at Donna Jonathan at gmail.com and tell me what you think.
- 6:27Here's the title to the first story.
- 6:32A blind student excluded from a play.
- 6:34And I'm going to tell you now that a lot of these stories come from listeners providing
- 6:41me or sending me their stories, and I think that they are worth my sharing
- 6:48them with you. Here is a story.
- 6:56Gala was told that she could not participate in the play in a play and why?
- 7:04Because she was told that there would be no way for her to learn her lines if she could
- 7:11not read, and she could not know when to enter the flow of the play.
- 7:19She could not work with cues, and she would not know how to move around the
- 7:25stage. The thing is, gala was told all of this by a teacher who never even took the
- 7:33time to work with gala to find out how she did things,
- 7:41what technology he used, what techniques she used.
- 7:46But the teacher falsely assumed all because she was vision impaired.
- 7:51She would not know how to deal with cues, how to move around the stage,
- 7:57how to learn her lines, everything else.
- 8:03What would you advise gala to do?
- 8:07Well, I would advise gala first.
- 8:11Don't give up gala. I would then advise gala to go to her parents with this.
- 8:18I know it's a very bitter sea to swallow, a bitter pill to swallow.
- 8:24But if gala wants to continue on in a meaningful way,
- 8:30productive way, and be a part of everything she needs to go to her parents.
- 8:36And this is what gala eventually did.
- 8:40First she cried and cried about it.
- 8:42And then she thought and thought about it.
- 8:45You know, gala was a youngster.
- 8:48I think she was about 12 years old and she took matters into her own hands after a few
- 8:55weeks and went to her parents, who then went to the teacher involved.
- 9:01It was a very tough fight, but everything worked out at the end.
- 9:08The parent gala and her parents had to work very,
- 9:11very hard to convince this teacher.
- 9:16But it worked out. And there were other teachers that gala and her parents appealed
- 9:21to, and they were able to help their colleague understand.
- 9:28Okay. So what is advocacy in this case?
- 9:33Advocacy is advocating for Gala to be a part of the play.
- 9:39And who gets involved in advocacy gala, her parents,
- 9:42her teacher and others.
- 9:46Why is advocacy necessary?
- 9:48Because we need to break down the barrier that is being presented to gala.
- 9:54Not being able to participate in the play because it is perceived that she can't
- 9:59because she is vision impaired.
- 10:03How do you get involved in advocacy based on this case?
- 10:08You get involved. You know the child, the student,
- 10:13the student, the parent, the teacher, everybody.
- 10:18And when do you get involved in advocacy?
- 10:20In this case, when it is perceived that there is a barrier?
- 10:27Okay, here's the second story and here's the title of this one.
- 10:35No pet for a child with a disability.
- 10:39Yes. In the home Itself.
- 10:43And here is the story as related to us by a listener.
- 10:50Carna had kept hounding her parents to help to have her or to get a pet for her.
- 10:56Okay. She wanted so badly to have a kitten.
- 11:04Her parents told her no, because they did not think that she would be
- 11:08able to take care of the kitten.
- 11:13And why? Because they felt that little Kala could not look after the kitten,
- 11:19to clean his litter box, to give him his food,
- 11:23to give him his drink, to groom him, and everything else.
- 11:30Kala was in a wheelchair.
- 11:34So what would you advise Kala to do?
- 11:40I think I would advise Carla to again go to my parents,
- 11:44but Carla needs to develop a plan as to how she would answer questions from her parents,
- 11:52such as, well, Carla, how would you clean the litter box?
- 11:57So Carla has to find a way to tell her parents,
- 12:00or show her parents that she is serious about wanting the kitten and how she can take care
- 12:07of it. Okay. How she can clean the litter box.
- 12:13How she can give Kitty his food.
- 12:16Kitty his water. Groom.
- 12:18Kitty. I know it's kind of a lot for a kid.
- 12:23I believe Carla was about ten years old, so it makes things.
- 12:28Makes things even more interesting when the child is younger.
- 12:34Maybe not thinking out clearly as to how they would look after their pet kitten.
- 12:40And you can't blame the parents themselves for being apprehensive because,
- 12:46you know, they think, well, our little daughter is in a wheelchair.
- 12:50How is she going to look after the kitten?
- 12:54So it's teamwork, it's team effort, it's team team everything between the child
- 13:00and the parents. And it's a lot of hard work.
- 13:04It may or may not work, but it has to start somewhere.
- 13:10Okay, so advocacy is advocating for little Carla to have a pet kitten.
- 13:21And who gets involved in this?
- 13:23Carla and her parents and her family.
- 13:26Family in the home. To start with, an advocacy is necessary because little Carla
- 13:33really wants to have a kitten, despite the fact that she is in a wheelchair.
- 13:38She has to show and convince her family that she can look after her pet kitten.
- 13:48And how do you get involved in advocacy?
- 13:49In this case, it's little Carla having to take the initiative.
- 13:55It's hard for a ten year old, but there are lessons to be learned here.
- 14:02And you get involved in advocacy when you really want to have something.
- 14:06And oftentimes when you get involved in advocacy,
- 14:10it changes attitudes. It changes perspectives.
- 14:15It changes assumptions.
- 14:17Let's remember that. All right.
- 14:21Let's go to the third story for this month.
- 14:24Okay. And it's all about a retiree who has been barred from a social
- 14:34event. Not very nice, is it?
- 14:39And here's the story that was submitted to us by one of our listeners.
- 14:46Roy was too old, for he was told that he was too old to attend a social event in his
- 14:56community. And the event had to do with attending a concert at a concert hall.
- 15:07Roy was hard of hearing, but he used his hearing aids extremely
- 15:12proficiently. He appealed to the event organizer,
- 15:19but nobody was listening.
- 15:23Now, on the surface I would say this is so trivial,
- 15:29but when you take a deeper dive and you think of it,
- 15:33you have on one side, Roy being very, very able to attend a concert
- 15:39because he has hearing aids that enables him to listen to what's going on at the concert.
- 15:46On the other side of the picture, you have organizers who say,
- 15:50well, you know, Roy can't hear very well, so how is he going to hear what's going on?
- 15:55How is he going to appreciate it?
- 15:58And it all boils down to attitude perception.
- 16:03The one side thinks, oh, because he can't hear very well,
- 16:08how can he enjoy it? So therefore he is barred from attending the concert.
- 16:14On the other side, you have Roy, who is perfectly able to enjoy a concert,
- 16:21and I would advise Roy to go for it.
- 16:25He needs to convince the organizers.
- 16:28He needs to get others on his side.
- 16:32You can't do it alone. I don't think he can do it alone.
- 16:35But he needs help. He needs support.
- 16:39Okay. What is advocacy here?
- 16:42Advocacy is advocating for Roy to be at a concert despite his being hard of hearing.
- 16:51And who gets involved?
- 16:53Roy starts the ball rolling, and he starts by going to the organizers with
- 16:59the well laid out plan to show them that, yeah,
- 17:04he wears hearing aids or he uses hearing aids,
- 17:07but he is perfectly capable of enjoying a concert.
- 17:13Advocacy is necessary because Roy wants to attend the concert.
- 17:20How do you get involved in advocacy?
- 17:22It starts with Roy and he has to.
- 17:26And I would say he needs to involve others to get them on his side to convince the
- 17:33organizers. When do you do it?
- 17:36When you want to attend the concert?
- 17:38Of course. Okay. What is your advice?
- 17:43What would you suggest?
- 17:44Write to me at DonnaJodhan@Gmail.com and let me know what you think.
- 17:53Okay, that's it for me for this month.
- 17:57Month of February 2026.
- 18:01Ask advocate Donna and I thank you for dropping by to listen in.
- 18:07Take care and I'll see you next month.
- 18:13Podcast Commentator: Donna wants to hear from you and invites you to write to her at DonnaJodhan@Gmail.com.
- 18:19Until next time.