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SPEAKER_01: What a welcome to the show.
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SPEAKER_01: Coach Kevin Carroll, assistant coach for the Lipscomb Bisons.
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SPEAKER_01: Coach, appreciate you making time for us to come on the show today.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm grateful to have the opportunity to speak with you, Tony.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: I want to talk with Coach today a little bit of offense,
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and I like to ask this question of coaches when they come on to
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talk about offense.
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SPEAKER_01: Coach,
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SPEAKER_01: for someone who's never seen you all play before,
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SPEAKER_01: how would you describe what you do offensively?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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I would say that it is a combination of concepts and series of
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just different
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SPEAKER_00: concepts,
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SPEAKER_00: movements,
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and alignments that kind of all flow together that give your
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players the freedom to
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be able to make multiple decisions whenever they're out there
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on the court and
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ultimately create the space that you need to get a great shot
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every time down the
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SPEAKER_00: floor,
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SPEAKER_00: hopefully.
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I know when Coach Acuff was at Alabama Huntsville that he used
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that red shirt on
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SPEAKER_01: almost all of his freshmen that came into the program.
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And I know you guys all still value player development and what
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you're doing there at Lipscomb.
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What specifically related to the offensive development of the
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guys are you trying
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SPEAKER_01: to accomplish really that first year,
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but like the first couple years as you're introducing the
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system to the guys?
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probably the the biggest hurdle or one of the biggest hurdles
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is just um you know
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the the vernacular if you will you know learning all the
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different names that we
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have for all the different concepts that we have you know so
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you're learning
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: you're learning,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the concept and the action and then the word behind it,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: so that can be a little hard up front for the guys.
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SPEAKER_00: But really,
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SPEAKER_00: once they get they master that,
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SPEAKER_00: it just allows them to move at such a quicker rate of speed through,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: maybe different things we're trying to teach them.
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SPEAKER_01: You brought up the playing quickly.
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SPEAKER_01: Can you speak to the importance of,
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SPEAKER_01: for this type of system,
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SPEAKER_01: what playing quickly,
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playing with pace within that half court does for your overall
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what you're trying
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SPEAKER_01: to accomplish?
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: I think in any offense,
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you just want to be able to make quick decisions as quickly as
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possible so that the
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SPEAKER_00: defense doesn't have as much time to react.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: I think in like what we do,
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SPEAKER_00: we're just trying to – our goal is to streamline alignments,
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SPEAKER_00: concepts,
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SPEAKER_00: movements,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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so that you can turn playing offense into a series of really
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simple decisions that
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SPEAKER_00: occur over and over again,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: thus creating certainty and confidence for your players.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's what playing fast is.
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You know,
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I think a lot of people think playing fast is how fast you run
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up and down the floor.
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You know,
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I would argue that playing fast is how quick you can make a
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decision.
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SPEAKER_01: When you're teaching the decision-making,
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SPEAKER_01: I've heard Coach mention about teaching players the feel of the game,
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SPEAKER_01: teaching players vision.
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SPEAKER_01: Those two are often tied together.
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SPEAKER_01: How do you teach that feel and that ability to have vision to the guys?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it starts with the way that we play –
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SPEAKER_00: There's there's wide action, but a narrow vision.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's lots of multiple decisions that can be made,
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SPEAKER_00: but you're really focused on maybe,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: where to where you can throw the ball.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: comparing the way we play to say a motion offense,
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SPEAKER_00: which I've played in coast in before as well.
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You know,
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they both have multiple decisions that can be made at any point
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in time.
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SPEAKER_00: But where you're looking varies a lot more in a motion offense.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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you may be looking to the left or to the right or directly in
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front of you or
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SPEAKER_00: should you drive it or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: I think in the way we play,
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maybe the one advantage is there's just more certainty and
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clarity in terms of,
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SPEAKER_00: all right,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm looking here.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's a narrow vision.
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SPEAKER_00: If that's not open, I can go here, have these options.
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SPEAKER_00: And when I decide whichever decision I make,
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SPEAKER_00: we're going to have multiple reads or multiple options off of that.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's still a wide action, yet a narrow vision.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, people talk about having freedom of choice.
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SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's better to have freedom from choice,
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SPEAKER_00: in my opinion,
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SPEAKER_00: because,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: too many choices slow down your your mind and your feet.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, a narrower focus created from the clarity and the repetition.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that increases your player's ability to perform a skill quicker.
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I get the sense sometimes when we hear that freedom that maybe
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some coaches think
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SPEAKER_01: they can do whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: I was even watching you all play this morning.
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SPEAKER_01: That idea of narrow vision.
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SPEAKER_01: Could you also say maybe each guy has its own responsibility and...
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SPEAKER_01: While I was watching that, there's a lot going on on the floor.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's all five guys are moving to something.
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But within that,
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there is that narrow vision of really,
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I'm only doing one,
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two or three things.
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SPEAKER_01: But when you have those coordinated efforts,
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SPEAKER_01: it looks like a lot of things are going on at the same time.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's where it comes down to your concepts.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: what we try to create or two and,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: two man game,
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essentially maybe on one side of the floor while three players
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are being occupied
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SPEAKER_00: on the other side of the floor through,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: a cut or a screen or,
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SPEAKER_00: or spacing.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I think when you can create that and create indecision,
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SPEAKER_00: a split second indecision in the mind of a defender,
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SPEAKER_00: then you maybe have created an advantage there.
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SPEAKER_01: For those that are listening, there's some clips.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a few full games on YouTube.
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SPEAKER_01: But you all do a great job of those other three doing things that,
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SPEAKER_01: to your point,
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SPEAKER_01: they occupy the defense.
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But I would guess that sometimes it's maybe just to kind of
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keep those guys occupied.
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But it's also creating potential advantages for the next thing
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that might be coming
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SPEAKER_01: if a guy comes off a ball screen or whatever on that side of the floor.
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a lot of kind of what we're trying to accomplish is
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streamlining the concepts and
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streamlining your spacing and your your reads and your options
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off of different
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SPEAKER_00: actions or different plays.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: so for instance,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: how can you know,
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SPEAKER_00: like like in my mind,
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SPEAKER_00: every play can be simplified down to just about one of five scenarios.
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Every time you catch the ball,
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you can either shoot it,
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you can throw it in the post.
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SPEAKER_00: You can drive it,
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SPEAKER_00: whether that be just a drive or off a ball screen or whatever,
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SPEAKER_00: towards a side that has one player on it.
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SPEAKER_00: You can drive it towards the side that has two players on it,
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or you can drive it towards the side of the floor that has
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three players on it.
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And how you space and your options off of those different
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opportunities that you
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SPEAKER_00: have,
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whether you drive it and you pitch it to the corner or you
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drive it and you pitch
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SPEAKER_00: it to the 45 or,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: you've
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throw it back or whatever you know like you can create a whole
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series of concepts
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there that all flow together that those concepts may show up a
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hundred different
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ways but your players already know how to space and what their
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reads and options
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are depending on no matter how you start the possession or how
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you get into that
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SPEAKER_00: that particular situation
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That seemed to be something that was really helpful for my guys
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SPEAKER_01: So what does that look like for you all?
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college levels or high school levels.
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SPEAKER_01: But what does that look like for you guys?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: and I think if you asked 10 coaches who play the way we do,
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SPEAKER_00: you'd probably get 10 different answers.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: what I would say is kind of what I just talked about earlier is,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: strip it down to the end of mind in terms of,
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SPEAKER_00: all right,
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SPEAKER_00: let's talk about,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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how you're going to space when we're driving the ball towards
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the side with one
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SPEAKER_00: player on it.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, how are we going to space and what are our options off of that?
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SPEAKER_00: Then maybe go back.
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SPEAKER_00: and initiate an action,
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a base core element of what you're doing out of your offense
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that gets you into
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SPEAKER_00: driving at a side that has one player on it,
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SPEAKER_00: okay?
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then maybe out of that same alignment that you just worked on
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maybe there's another
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option that gets you uh to where you're driving at a side of
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two you know so you
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know now you know then so you go back and show them all there's
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the spacing and
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where they should stand and what their options are when you're
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driving the ball
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SPEAKER_00: towards two players you know and then go back and
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SPEAKER_00: and teach that option that ends up with them driving it too.
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And then maybe like an empty sided ball screen where you're
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coming off and you're
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SPEAKER_00: driving towards the side that has three players on it.
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Then maybe later on the progression you're talking about how
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you're going to space
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SPEAKER_00: whenever you throw the ball in the post.
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I think all that stuff you teach with the end in mind and you
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teach the concepts of
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SPEAKER_00: the spacing and the reads off of it.
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SPEAKER_00: And then you go back and install essentially your offense
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And now everything moves faster because when you when you get
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to something that
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SPEAKER_00: requires a different start or a different way that you got into it,
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SPEAKER_00: but it ends the same way that they have a reference point.
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And I was a high school math teacher for the first six years of
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my coaching career.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I taught geometry and.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: like in geometry,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: you take,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: it's a study for relationships essentially between,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: points,
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SPEAKER_00: lines,
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SPEAKER_00: angles,
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SPEAKER_00: shapes,
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SPEAKER_00: things of that nature.
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SPEAKER_00: But,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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like you learn more about new relationships by taking simple
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concepts and then
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SPEAKER_00: stacking them together to create a new concept.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of essentially how you build your offense, if you will.
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SPEAKER_00: you're taking something that you already know,
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SPEAKER_00: and then when you get back to something new you want to enter,
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SPEAKER_00: a new play,
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SPEAKER_00: a new start,
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SPEAKER_00: a new entry,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever,
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SPEAKER_00: now all of a sudden all you have to connect is,
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SPEAKER_00: all right,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: this is how it starts.
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Now we're right back into something that we've already learned
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on the first week of
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SPEAKER_00: practice,
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SPEAKER_00: which is,
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SPEAKER_00: all right,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm driving the ball towards a player with two guys on it,
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SPEAKER_00: and here's all of our options that we learned.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the same thing.
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I would imagine that you do a lot of that in your small group
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workouts,
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two-man,
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three-man.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you usually keep it to two or three,
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SPEAKER_01: and do you use defense and offense at the same time,
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SPEAKER_01: or do you do a lot of two-on-oh,
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SPEAKER_01: three-on-oh,
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SPEAKER_01: and talk through that before you get to the defense?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a lot.
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It's probably – and to be honest,
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we see the game in five on O and five on five as a staff.
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SPEAKER_00: That's how we kind of teach the game.
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SPEAKER_00: We probably don't do as many small group settings as maybe other people.
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But when we do get into groups and things like that,
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then,
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yes,
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it's definitely like a –
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maybe like I said starting we're driving at one you're standing
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here we're driving
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at two all right this is the same thing as driving at one
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except you got this guy
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this other player standing over here too so if we throw it to
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the corner it's the
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same set of rules as if we throw to the corner when we're
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driving at one now we
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just need to add when we're driving at two now if we're driving
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with three players
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SPEAKER_00: on the side of the floor here's how we turn that back into
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SPEAKER_00: We need to cut this way to turn that back into driving at two,
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SPEAKER_00: which is something they already know.
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SPEAKER_00: So there is a lot of that,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess,
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when you're breaking down into groups and going back and kind
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of reteaching
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SPEAKER_00: everything,
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SPEAKER_00: just shoring up those concepts and ideas.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm glad you mentioned the 5-on-5.
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SPEAKER_01: I know you guys,
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SPEAKER_01: even in the summertime,
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SPEAKER_01: do a lot of 5-on-5,
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SPEAKER_01: which may seem really early to a lot of guys.
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SPEAKER_01: I heard you say that one time to somebody,
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SPEAKER_01: and you're like,
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SPEAKER_01: oh,
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SPEAKER_01: wow,
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SPEAKER_01: that's doing 5-on-5 already.
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SPEAKER_01: What's the purpose of that for the guys?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I just think basketball is such a decision-making sport.
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SPEAKER_00: I definitely feel like there is a time for –
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on-air drill work,
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especially when you're learning to master a certain skill.
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SPEAKER_00: But really,
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SPEAKER_00: the decision is five times as important as the skill,
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SPEAKER_00: because the decision allows you to get to the skill a lot of times.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's the same thing when you're playing an offense.
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You can replicate the patterns or the concepts or the movements
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or whatnot,
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SPEAKER_00: but you can't replicate the
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uh you know the decisions that you have to make without playing
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and in what we do
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SPEAKER_00: because it is a five-man offense it's really difficult to uh
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SPEAKER_00: Unless you're just focusing on one certain element of it,
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it's really difficult to learn it all without kind of having
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five guys out there.
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SPEAKER_00: Because you may make one decision and one read,
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SPEAKER_00: and you make that read successfully,
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SPEAKER_00: but then the defense is able to counteract it or stop it,
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SPEAKER_00: and now all of a sudden you've got another decision to make.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, if you only have –
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SPEAKER_00: three guys on the floor out there,
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you can't get to that next decision because you need those
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other two players to
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SPEAKER_00: continue on in that process.
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SPEAKER_01: And I would imagine that the feedback is pretty regular.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: not every rep or every stoppage or whatever,
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SPEAKER_01: but that there's a lot of teaching going on.
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SPEAKER_01: Because I saw Coach Acuff say,
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SPEAKER_01: at one point,
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you guys will play 5-on-5 for like 30 minutes at the end of
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practice sometimes.
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Again,
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I don't want coaches to think like just 30 minutes up on the
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clock and we just play.
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SPEAKER_01: What does that look like from a teaching perspective and giving feedback?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: when I say five on five,
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SPEAKER_00: we're not putting 30 minutes on the clock most days and saying,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: just play,
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SPEAKER_00: pick up ball for 30 minutes or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's different levels of accountability there.
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SPEAKER_00: It's usually,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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we're going to be like team A is going to start on offense and
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we're going to go
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SPEAKER_00: offense to defense to offense and then flip it around.
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So it may be something where we give them a start in the first
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possession so that
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SPEAKER_00: they can really work on one specific thing.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the next two trips down,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the offense is more just kind of reading kind of what to do.
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SPEAKER_00: But,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: that's just,
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SPEAKER_00: like I said,
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SPEAKER_00: that's how,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: Coach Acuff is obviously a phenomenal basketball mind,
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and that's how he sees the game and how we see the game and how
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we just kind of go
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SPEAKER_00: about teaching.
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So at the end of that possession,
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that offense to defense to offense,
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you know,
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you may –
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SPEAKER_00: We may talk about it briefly on the court,
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SPEAKER_00: or coach may talk about it,
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SPEAKER_00: or maybe an assistant pulling guy off to the side and kind of saying,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: you're here to do this,
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SPEAKER_00: or maybe someone stopping and saying,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: demonstrating on the court.
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It really just kind of varies depending on what from possession
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to possession on
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SPEAKER_00: what we feel like the team needs.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so there's five out.
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SPEAKER_01: There's four out, one in with that one low.
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SPEAKER_01: There's four out, one in with that one high.
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And I understand that what coaches do with their particular
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teams a lot of times
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SPEAKER_01: has to do with level you're at,
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SPEAKER_01: personnel,
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SPEAKER_01: that sort of thing.
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But you guys almost kind of do a combination of all three,
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some Princeton even mixed in.
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SPEAKER_01: How would you describe that and kind of the thinking behind that?
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I think,
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like I said,
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it's just a sum of concepts that all kind of flow and fit
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together.
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A lot of times what we're telling our guys is we have certain
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alignments on the floor.
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SPEAKER_00: And we're saying, where's the ball and where's the five man?
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Because where those two things are in relation to each other
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will kind of tell us
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SPEAKER_00: what concept we're in at that point.
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SPEAKER_00: and give us different options to look for.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think the beauty of what Coach does,
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SPEAKER_00: I know I'll probably make it sound a lot more complicated than it is,
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SPEAKER_00: but the beauty of kind of what Coach does is he really doesn't try to
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SPEAKER_00: bear the guys down or weigh them down rather with overthinking.
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SPEAKER_00: And what we do,
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it's almost like a motion offense in some standpoint in the
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sense of there's very
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SPEAKER_00: little wrong or right.
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SPEAKER_00: If you make the wrong decision,
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SPEAKER_00: we just find the next concept and get into that one really quick.
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SPEAKER_00: Once,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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guys get really good at reading the alignment and knowing what
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concepts we're in.
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SPEAKER_00: And like I said,
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SPEAKER_00: going back,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: if you get screwed up,
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SPEAKER_00: just are we driving at one,
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SPEAKER_00: driving at two,
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SPEAKER_00: driving at three,
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SPEAKER_00: shooting it or throwing the post?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, one of those five things is always occurring.
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SPEAKER_00: So just play out of the spacing, play out of those concepts out of that.
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Without making you describe it all,
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I mean,
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it's a good way to describe it.
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SPEAKER_01: There's almost,
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SPEAKER_01: as I watched,
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there almost seemed to be triggers that then kind of dictate
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where that five man
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SPEAKER_01: goes and it becomes high if he goes low.
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SPEAKER_01: And then the concepts of there's a ball screen,
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SPEAKER_01: now you screen and roll,
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SPEAKER_01: then dictates where he goes next.
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SPEAKER_00: Correct.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that'd be well put, well put.
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SPEAKER_00: And like I said, those alignments kind of tell –
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SPEAKER_00: everybody kind of where to,
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SPEAKER_00: to position and to stand and kind of what our,
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SPEAKER_00: our next set of options are.
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So post feeds,
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I guess I just mentioned pick roll post up balls thrown inside.
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SPEAKER_01: I always like to hear and see what, what different teams are doing.
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SPEAKER_01: What are the four perimeter players doing for you all?
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SPEAKER_01: Once that ball is thrown into, into your post.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: and heading into that,
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we're the beneficiary of one of the top mid-major post players
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in the country,
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SPEAKER_00: Asana Sadula,
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who's been a three-time first-team all-conference big guy and
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is coming back for
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SPEAKER_00: another year here this year.
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SPEAKER_00: So we, you know, we have had to really
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hone in on what we're doing there because teams try a lot of
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different things to slow him down.
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SPEAKER_00: Now,
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we're fortunate that he is probably the best passing big man
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that I've coached in
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SPEAKER_00: 23 years of coaching basketball.
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But basically,
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essentially what we're trying to do is we're trying to get into
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a certain spacing
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that makes it really,
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really difficult to trap without leaving someone open.
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SPEAKER_00: And once again, everything works better when you have good players.
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SPEAKER_00: Asan's a phenomenal passer.
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He's really good at reading traps and double teams and things
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of that nature and
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SPEAKER_00: passing out of those and making teams pay.
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But essentially what we're trying to do is cut everyone to get
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essentially four
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SPEAKER_00: people,
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SPEAKER_00: including the post player,
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with their feet along the baseline,
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and then a man up at the top of the key.
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SPEAKER_00: So you can do that different ways.
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SPEAKER_00: One way would just be I throw the ball into the post,
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SPEAKER_00: and then I screen up for the guy at the top.
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SPEAKER_00: He comes all the way around to the corner,
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SPEAKER_00: and then I pop to the top,
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SPEAKER_00: and then the next guy in line will cut to the dunker spot,
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SPEAKER_00: if you will.
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SPEAKER_00: So now you've kind of got everybody a little bit low.
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SPEAKER_00: They've got to decide, all right, are we going to double?
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SPEAKER_00: If so, there's guys in the corners that are open if you're going to dunk.
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double with the dunker,
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then his man's going to have a layup opportunity.
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SPEAKER_00: If you're going to help from the top,
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SPEAKER_00: it's a pretty open shot with no ability to rotate on the defensive end.
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SPEAKER_00: So just trying to give,
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SPEAKER_00: like I said,
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the big as much space as possible so that he can dribble into
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his move and be ready
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SPEAKER_00: to make a pass if he gets doubled from somewhere on the court.
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i found that we kind of introduced similar we didn't we don't
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do as much as what
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you you all do although i might might steal it after watching
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it and then hearing
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you describe it but it seemed to help with the post players
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decision making and
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accelerating that obviously and if they haven't seen i mean
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he's huge he can he can
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pass he can screen he can dribble you know it can do everything
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which helps but
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There seemed to be there's because there's that consistency of
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where they're going to be.
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It allowed him to quickly recognize there was a double team and
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then make a pass.
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SPEAKER_01: Did you find that to be the case?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: limiting kind of turnovers,
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SPEAKER_01: that kind of thing out of those traps,
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SPEAKER_01: because it seemed like every time he touched the ball,
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SPEAKER_01: he's one of those guys that always deserves a double team.
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SPEAKER_01: And so you know that it's coming,
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but he's still able to find guys quickly because he knows
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exactly where they're
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SPEAKER_01: going to be.
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SPEAKER_01: Not just there's this interchange of,
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SPEAKER_01: well,
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SPEAKER_01: we interchange like,
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SPEAKER_01: okay,
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SPEAKER_01: that could mean four guys end up anywhere on the perimeter.
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SPEAKER_01: He knows exactly where they're going to be.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I would say two things about that.
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SPEAKER_00: I would agree with you on that.
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SPEAKER_00: I would say two things.
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SPEAKER_00: Number one, he's been double teamed so much.
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SPEAKER_00: He already knows kind of what he's looking for.
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SPEAKER_00: Experience is the best teacher.
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Number two,
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I think it goes back to what we said earlier with the wide
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action narrow vision.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes,
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SPEAKER_00: there are different ways that we can cut into those spots on the floor,
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SPEAKER_00: but he already knows before he catches it,
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SPEAKER_00: there's really only
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one or two ways that the defense there are the one or two way
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things that the
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defense can take off you know and and so he already knows kind
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of where his line of
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SPEAKER_00: sight is now we've played one or two teams that have been uh have
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SPEAKER_00: tried unique things in terms of their doubles.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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we may have to adjust a little bit on the fly or if we know
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it's a scouting thing,
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SPEAKER_00: just kind of give them a different line of things to look for.
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SPEAKER_00: But,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: in 90% of the cases,
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SPEAKER_00: it's no matter how they double,
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it's going to be you're looking for the two-on-one here in this
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situation.
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SPEAKER_01: I hear this asked of a lot of coaches who coach conceptually.
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SPEAKER_01: What changes with strategy when the defense goes zoned?
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You know,
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I think in zone offense,
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I mean,
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we do have some simpler different things that we do.
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SPEAKER_00: But also,
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SPEAKER_00: too,
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SPEAKER_00: I think anytime you can turn your man offense into your zone offense,
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SPEAKER_00: it's just going to create,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: a shorter learning curve for your players.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: now you may be looking for slightly different things,
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SPEAKER_00: but I think,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: like for instance,
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SPEAKER_00: a lot of people are familiar with,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: like the chin series or whatever,
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SPEAKER_00: like you can turn chin into a,
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into a zone offense as well where you end up with five players
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out on the perimeter
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SPEAKER_00: and try to find the two on one in the corners or whatever.
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But at the same time,
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too,
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we're probably not going to try to outthink the room.
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SPEAKER_00: We've got a really good passing big man.
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We're probably going to try to give him the ball either in the
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high post or the
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SPEAKER_00: short corner somehow and let him do his thing.
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SPEAKER_00: If they help, he's such a good passer, he'll find somebody for a shot.
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SPEAKER_00: If they don't, they can just
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SPEAKER_00: back a guy down from the high post or the short corner.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I said, we're the beneficiary of the type of player that he is.
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SPEAKER_00: It allows for a lot of freedom in terms of what we can do as a staff.
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SPEAKER_01: I found that my players,
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SPEAKER_01: once they started understanding the concepts of space,
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SPEAKER_01: player movement in relation to space,
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and the ball movement of recognizing a second defender or
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recognizing an open
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SPEAKER_01: teammate,
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SPEAKER_01: it made our zone offense a lot more potent and go a lot more smoothly.
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SPEAKER_01: Did you find that?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I do.
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: and one thing like there's two different ways,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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SPEAKER_00: that you can penetrate a zone.
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You know,
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a lot of people are looking to penetrate the zone with the
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dribble and draw two.
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SPEAKER_00: And
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other way you can do it is by cutting you know is by having
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movement in and out of
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the middle or the top of the zone or whatever to um you know
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with just different
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types of cuts and movements so uh there's a lot of probably a
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lot more similarities
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than people would imagine and i think that anytime you can
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going back to what i was
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SPEAKER_00: saying earlier anytime that you can um
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teach your zone offense based on something that's already
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happened or relate what
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you're doing in your zone offense to something that you're
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already teaching or the
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SPEAKER_00: way you're spacing in your man offense.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just going to make it that much simpler.
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SPEAKER_00: So an example of that.
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SPEAKER_00: When a lot of teams will drive the ball to the baseline,
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SPEAKER_00: they're going to probably cut somebody to the basket.
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SPEAKER_00: They're going to want somebody in the corner,
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SPEAKER_00: and they're probably going to want somebody in the 45.
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SPEAKER_00: There's different ways to cut into that or whatever,
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SPEAKER_00: but you're going to want that triangle kind of formed.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the same thing in a zone offense.
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SPEAKER_00: When you throw the ball to the short corner or whatever,
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you're probably going to want your high post guy to get in
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front of the rim,
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SPEAKER_00: a guy on the slot,
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SPEAKER_00: and a guy on the strut,
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SPEAKER_00: or the 45,
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SPEAKER_00: rather,
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SPEAKER_00: and a guy on the corner.
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SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, at the end of the day, it is a zone.
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It's a different defense,
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but teams can only rotate and cover things a certain amount of
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ways.
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So you can,
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and a lot of those concepts will work against both man or zone.
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SPEAKER_01: Last thing I'll ask you here,
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SPEAKER_01: where can coaches,
27:20
SPEAKER_01: you're a great follow on Twitter,
27:21
SPEAKER_01: where can they connect with you on the internet or on Twitter?
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yeah um you know probably just you know twitter's probably
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honestly the best way uh
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at coach underscore carroll c-a-r-r-o-l-l um that's probably
27:36
the best way to to be
27:37
able to reach me and you know i i don't i'm not uh i don't
27:41
really like talking
27:42
about myself very much but i like putting information out there
27:46
that hopefully will
27:47
help people in some way and i like being able to communicate
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with people and
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SPEAKER_00: and share ideas as well.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, great share of the game, so make sure that you follow Coach.
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SPEAKER_01: That's Coach Kevin Carroll, assistant coach for the Lipscomb Bison.
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SPEAKER_01: Coach, really appreciate you taking the time to come on the podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, Tony, I appreciate the opportunity.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.