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Ken Rosenthal & Joe Davis join FT for World Series chat · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Ft presented by Fox One.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I feel like we're always really good with
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  Speaker 2: the chat answering their questions.
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  Speaker 1: Do either of you have a question for the chat question.
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  Speaker 3: Of who do we think wins? Is world series? That's
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  Speaker 3: the question who do we think wins?
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  Speaker 4: And I know Dodger fans are gonna say the Dodgers
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  Speaker 4: and Blue Jays fans are gonna say the Blue Jays.
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  Speaker 4: But the people who aren't one of their fans, who's
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  Speaker 4: gonna win? Because it's down to best of three and
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  Speaker 4: everyone thought this was kind of gonna be a whitewashing
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  Speaker 4: by the Dodgers, and it hasn't been. It's been a
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  Speaker 4: very competitive, very fun series to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no wash out. Let's start Best Step three, Best
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  Speaker 1: Step three.
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  Speaker 2: Baby, Here's where I'm gonna start before we charge. So
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  Speaker 2: I had a back and forth with a fan, and
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  Speaker 2: I've done this with a few of the great Blue
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  Speaker 2: Jays fans. You know, we always do a segment or
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  Speaker 2: a show like our post game show last night, and
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  Speaker 2: you get the crowd.
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  Speaker 1: That goes, oh, they love the Dodgers, Oh they love
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  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: We got that almost every show now, which is great.
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  Speaker 2: That means we're doing our jobs. Yes, So I decided
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  Speaker 2: to engage with one. Oh why because I enjoy it?
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  Speaker 4: You enjoy torture, enjoy you enjoy torture, or you enjoy
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  Speaker 4: arguing with someone that doesn't have earlier reason.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually like trying to promote peace by saying, hey, like,
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  Speaker 2: how can we be better for you?
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  Speaker 1: And let me explain my perspective here? Right. So I
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  Speaker 1: went through the entire rundown of what we.
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  Speaker 2: Did last night, right right, because he's like, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: guys are just talking about the Dodgers offense not performing.
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  Speaker 2: What about respect for the Blue Jays, Like you guys
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  Speaker 2: don't even watch them? Or I've watched every Blue Jays
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  Speaker 2: postseason game, every Blue.
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  Speaker 1: Jays postseason game.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I went through how we spent what twelve
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  Speaker 2: minutes on the postgame show to start, and it was
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  Speaker 2: all about Vlad and the big seventh inning, etc. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So we went through the whole thing, and I just
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  Speaker 2: said and he appreciated that, and his response was more
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  Speaker 2: about how he feels like the one Canadian team in
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  Speaker 2: the sport doesn't get respect and how it's looked at
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  Speaker 2: in the US. I have replied to him, Ye, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it on this show. We do not
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  Speaker 2: care where the team resides.
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  Speaker 4: Why would we care where the team resides. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we did a whole thing on the expos.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's cool that there's a team in Canada.
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  Speaker 4: I think there are I wish there was a team
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  Speaker 4: in London, Tokyo when I was playing. That would have
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  Speaker 4: been awesome to flight all those different places in play. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I love going to Canada, you know, other than other
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  Speaker 4: than the ketchup is a little bit different when you
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  Speaker 4: go to like McDonald's and there's things that tastes just
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  Speaker 4: a little bit different. They have a lot of relief
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  Speaker 4: delicious stuff in Canada, and I enjoyed the people there.
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  Speaker 4: I enjoyed going there. I enjoyed the Rogers Center. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't hit very well there, but I still enjoyed going there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think krats for me. The perception from some is, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: they're just paying attention to their own country. And if
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  Speaker 2: you're in the country, I know with US three, you
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  Speaker 2: would think completely differently. If anything, you can make a
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  Speaker 2: case for some of the teams who maybe are in
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  Speaker 2: super small markets and their owner doesn't give a crap
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  Speaker 2: and so they're never relevant, right like Rockies fans have
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  Speaker 2: much more beef.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Blue Jays.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about the Blue Jays a ton, and I
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  Speaker 2: think they have a ton of respect in our sport.
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  Speaker 2: And I think there's nothing that says, oh, they're in Canada,
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  Speaker 2: so let's give them.
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  Speaker 1: Less attention, or like let's watch less games of them.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not speaking for you know, the Yankees and
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  Speaker 2: Blue Jays have beef with the broadcasters, like fun beef.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they're not good, they're not relevant. Both sides have
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  Speaker 2: done that all year. We're not involved in that. But
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  Speaker 2: help me out here.
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  Speaker 3: No, I could really care less where the team is,
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  Speaker 3: like it's death.
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  Speaker 6: Besides AJ hating the Cubs, I'm pretty sure there's no
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  Speaker 6: way we're going to cover any team less that's in
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  Speaker 6: the World Series. If it was the Cubs, maybe we
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't cover them, but now we still would.
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  Speaker 3: We would cover them. You're right, we would.
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  Speaker 6: But no, it doesn't matter that they're in Canada. They
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  Speaker 6: could be in Buffalo like they were the in COVID,
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  Speaker 6: or the year after COVID they were in Dunedin, like
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  Speaker 6: they're a big league team. As long as they're a
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  Speaker 6: big league team, We're going to give them just the
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  Speaker 6: same amount of love and the same amount of hate
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  Speaker 6: as we give any other team.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That's all so I was. I'm not complaining. It's not
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  Speaker 2: like a back and forth fight. I just wanted more
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  Speaker 2: for our Canadian events to know that we love you
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  Speaker 2: just as much.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and with that, let's charge we have no problem
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  Speaker 1: charge about And with that we're going to start talking
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  Speaker 1: about the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: Well are we Why now we.
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  Speaker 1: Can go either direction.
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  Speaker 2: This is just a ten minute preview before we talked
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  Speaker 2: to Ken Rosenthal. Oh but after our postgame show, which
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  Speaker 2: we'll do another postgame show after the next game, Game five.
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  Speaker 2: But after our Game four post game show, Dave Roberts
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  Speaker 2: spoke and said something that was a big topic on
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  Speaker 2: our show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna think long and hard at night about any
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  Speaker 2: potential lineup changes. Okay to me, that means he's going
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  Speaker 2: to make at least one change. When you start saying that,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like one change.
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  Speaker 3: What's a change?
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  Speaker 6: Though?
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  Speaker 3: It's call for pahes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm you know.
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  Speaker 2: I was up, couldn't sleep last night and started looking
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  Speaker 2: into Kim and his numbers because I'm like, why is
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  Speaker 2: he completely irrelevant in the postseason?
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  Speaker 1: They don't think that.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's I like that idea. Let's figure out
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  Speaker 2: a way to get Kim in the lineup, Kratz, what
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  Speaker 2: about you.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they'll go that far outside the box
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  Speaker 3: for some reason. I don't think they've they've let him.
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  Speaker 6: I think my suggestion the other day, if Tommy Edmond
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  Speaker 6: is completely out, like he cannot go, I like, he
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  Speaker 6: can't go to the center field, then you know, the
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  Speaker 6: change is probably call I think that's kind of a
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  Speaker 6: boring change in my opinion, because he's gonna have a
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  Speaker 6: tough He's gonna have a tough writy. Alrighty, I think
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  Speaker 6: Kim would give you. I think Kim would give you
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  Speaker 6: a little bit of that you know, twenty nineteen Dodgers
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  Speaker 6: platoon advantage that you're looking for.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so we'll see what he does.
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  Speaker 2: Now, pitching wise, let's start just while we're on on
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  Speaker 2: Dave Roberts with how the Dodgers plan to.
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  Speaker 1: Attack Trey Savage.
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  Speaker 2: Not sing it the split, not swing at the split.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a really good split. And how difficult is
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  Speaker 2: it to differentiate a splitter like that from a heater.
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  Speaker 4: It's really hard from the angle he throws from. The
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  Speaker 4: split is always the hardest pitch. Was always the hardest
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  Speaker 4: pitch to figure out, because like when you face Tim Hudson, right,
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  Speaker 4: he throw that low sinker and then he throw the
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  Speaker 4: split that came out exactly the same and it just
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  Speaker 4: started on the same plane and went down. One of
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  Speaker 4: them kind of ran away more of a two seamer,
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  Speaker 4: And this was the speed and the movement. It was
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  Speaker 4: glossy and movement when it comes out of the same
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  Speaker 4: exact slot. Because when you teach somebody to throw a split, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so let me grab this ball real quick. Like, so
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  Speaker 4: like let's say you hold your two seamer like this
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  Speaker 4: right with the ball, and then you just take your
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  Speaker 4: you take the same grip, but you just choke it
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more like this. And everybody you teach
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  Speaker 4: him to throw at the exacts, just throw it just
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  Speaker 4: like you're throwing a fastball as hard as you can.
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  Speaker 4: Just rip it, and it's the more of the ball
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  Speaker 4: being back in your hands that slow it down. Now
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  Speaker 4: everyone holds it a little bit different like you know,
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  Speaker 4: some guys go way deep, like Jose Contreras used to
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  Speaker 4: grip it like all the way back in his fingers
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  Speaker 4: and have his fingers split, and it was.
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  Speaker 3: Like a knuckleball, right.
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  Speaker 4: But the good ones like Clemens Hudson that had the true,
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  Speaker 4: like very late split, it was because of the speed
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  Speaker 4: and the movement, and it looked exactly the same.
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  Speaker 3: Coming out of their hand.
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  Speaker 4: Because like people that say, oh, you see the dot,
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  Speaker 4: you do see a little bit of a dot, but
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  Speaker 4: it's so fast. But the split and the fastball look
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  Speaker 4: exactly the same because they have they're supposed to.
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  Speaker 3: Now some of them don't.
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  Speaker 4: But it's so quick that you don't see anything and
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  Speaker 4: it just goes shoot and then you're like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, get it, get the ball up.
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  Speaker 4: Well, then if now guys throw high fastballs and split,
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  Speaker 4: so you're like, oh, make it go up and it's
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  Speaker 4: ninety eight of your chest.
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  Speaker 1: You can't hit that either, and you recognize it so
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  Speaker 1: late in the game.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's the thing with the split. That's why to me,
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  Speaker 4: it's always been the best pitch. And there was that
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  Speaker 4: long time where oh, you'll hurt your arm if you
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  Speaker 4: throw it.
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  Speaker 3: Right, but it wasn't really the split. It was more
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  Speaker 3: just others stuff that was going on.
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  Speaker 2: Throwing hard. Apparently krats can cause arm issues.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and some of the best splits that I've caught
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  Speaker 6: guys like guys manipulated a little bit. I don't know
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  Speaker 6: that your savage is there. My fear with you savage
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  Speaker 6: is I don't think his stuff is nasty. I think
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  Speaker 6: it comes from a unique angle. I think it comes
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  Speaker 6: from a place where you know, the reason you're you
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  Speaker 6: can't hit a pitch is because the reason you can't
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  Speaker 6: hit a late life fastball is because you're thinking your
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  Speaker 6: mind processes that it's gonna drop however many inches. And
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  Speaker 6: when guys have late life fastballs, that's why it gets
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  Speaker 6: on you. That's why they pop it up, That's why
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  Speaker 6: they swing and miss under it. I don't think tray
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  Speaker 6: you savage is stuff pops out very like. It's not
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  Speaker 6: like unbelievable stuff. It's just coming from a weird angle.
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  Speaker 6: So are the Dodgers. And have the Dodgers made enough
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  Speaker 6: of a adjustment from seeing him one time? I mean last
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  Speaker 6: time show he struck out, and then the next guy
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  Speaker 6: to strike out with pages, So they went one through
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  Speaker 6: nine nobody struck out and Max's Max's uh strike out
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  Speaker 6: that he had Max Muncy that was like a splitter
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  Speaker 6: that looked more like the forkball that he was that
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  Speaker 6: Contraras used to throw that like just dove out of
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  Speaker 6: the way and you'd see swings that You're like, I
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  Speaker 6: don't know, So can they put it in play enough?
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  Speaker 6: And is that you know, is he going to be
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  Speaker 6: able to make an adjustment if they are putting it
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  Speaker 6: in play to be able to get to another part
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  Speaker 6: of the zone.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the Dodgers attack plan. What about the
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  Speaker 1: Toronto attack plan.
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  Speaker 3: The same exact one they had on Snow in the
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  Speaker 3: first game.
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  Speaker 1: But what if Snell's stuff is like it was in the.
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  Speaker 3: Prior, You gotta attack Blake Snow early kind of.
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  Speaker 4: You can't let him get the two strikes because one
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  Speaker 4: thing about Blake Snow you have to understand he never
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  Speaker 4: gives in. He just knows at some point someone's going
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  Speaker 4: to swing it a slider in the dirt or a
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  Speaker 4: curveball or change up or something get themselves out.
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  Speaker 3: So he never ever gives in. He never just says like.
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  Speaker 4: Oh it's three to one, I'm just gonna throw a
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  Speaker 4: heater down the middle, like he's like, Oh, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: throw try and now if I walk you, I'll just
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  Speaker 4: punch out the next guy. Like that's how Blake still thinks.
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  Speaker 4: And that's if you watch him pitch. That's why he's
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  Speaker 4: gotten better at it. But that's why his pitchcown he
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  Speaker 4: used to run up so fast, was because he never
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  Speaker 4: gave in.
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  Speaker 1: So do you need to take more against him? Even
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  Speaker 1: if you're an aggressive team.
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  Speaker 4: Like that's the thin line because then you could behind
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  Speaker 4: ohing two right right, So if you take more. It
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  Speaker 4: was always like, oh, let's get this guy's pitch count up.
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  Speaker 4: Oh okay, but then we're zing too and we're punching
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  Speaker 4: out ten times, twelve times and six innings, Like is
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  Speaker 4: that better? Or what if we go up there and
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  Speaker 4: look for first good one and take a swing at it.
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  Speaker 4: That's what the Blue Jays did. But he was kind
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  Speaker 4: of all over the place in the first game. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: he'll be more settled as Dodger Stadium it's a second
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  Speaker 4: World Series start this time around, Maybe he'll be a
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  Speaker 4: little more settle. Plus he's gone good bad, good bad,
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  Speaker 4: good bad a little bit kind of like the way
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  Speaker 4: Beaver did, so I think he'll be better, but it's
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's he's good.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to if.
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  Speaker 4: I'm especially if I'm hitting off him, don't I want
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  Speaker 4: my three swings. I don't want to go up there
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  Speaker 4: and be like, oh god, I gotta take one. Oh
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  Speaker 4: now I'm one crap, Yeah, get him out in front.
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  Speaker 4: If I was facing Jamie Moyer and we went into
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  Speaker 4: that with his seventy and I'm like, I can put
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  Speaker 4: this ball in play more than likely, then I get
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  Speaker 4: it right. But not against the guy that can punch
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  Speaker 4: you out on three pitches. I want my three swings.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't like to give in. So then if it's
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  Speaker 2: three to two, is it in your head that this
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  Speaker 2: is a guy that often won't give in, and there's
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  Speaker 2: a decent chance, maybe more so than most pitchers that
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  Speaker 2: you face, that he's just going to bury something in
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  Speaker 2: the dirt, even on three to two crafts and try
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  Speaker 2: to get you to chase.
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  Speaker 6: No, no, no, I mean not giving in just means
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  Speaker 6: he's confident in throwing all of his pitches. He can
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  Speaker 6: throw them for strikes, but there's not just he doesn't
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  Speaker 6: need to just throw it. Get me over and I
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  Speaker 6: think we talked about it in Game one, and I
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  Speaker 6: think the Blue Jays did a good job. Part of
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  Speaker 6: being aggressive is you got to catch him out front.
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  Speaker 6: Everything is going to be going on a downhill plane.
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  Speaker 6: That slider has been nasty besides the last time out,
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  Speaker 6: and even that heater up. You got to catch it
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  Speaker 6: out front. You can't be like, ooh, I'm gonna wait,
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  Speaker 6: wait and let this stuff get deep because by that
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  Speaker 6: time the pitch is finished and you're and you're cooked.
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  Speaker 6: So I think guys that catch pitchers out front will
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  Speaker 6: have success, and that's where they got to stick to
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  Speaker 6: that and part of that's being aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get back to the TV crowd, here minute
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  Speaker 2: and a half Shane Bieber this from Mitch mannon The Athletic.
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  Speaker 2: Shane Bieber said it was Sureser who prompted his offering
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  Speaker 2: to be available in that eighteen inning marathon. He said
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  Speaker 2: in the eleventh or twelfth inning, Shuzer went to him
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  Speaker 2: and goes, quote beeps, if it got squirrely, you could
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  Speaker 2: tell the wheels returning, and he's like, can you.
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  Speaker 3: Pitch veteran guy? He knew it wasn't gonna be him
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  Speaker 3: because he pitched that game, so he's like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: who do we got left? It's like lurking, he's looking
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  Speaker 3: for anybody.
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  Speaker 2: He's smart though, like beebes, can I interest you in
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  Speaker 2: pitching in this game?
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  Speaker 1: But hey, that's what a veteran.
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  Speaker 3: That's a veterans are supposed to do.
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  Speaker 2: Or when you sign a guy and you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this guy is worth more than just what you're getting.
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  Speaker 4: Teams don't understand that. They're like, oh, we got we
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  Speaker 4: can sign this. We can sign this veteran for two million,
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  Speaker 4: or we can sign this rookie guy, bring him up
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  Speaker 4: for seven to fifty. The experience, excuse me. The experience
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  Speaker 4: is what teams used to do. And he used to
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: use these guys for I remember when I first came up,
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: we had Ron Koomer, Terry Steinbag, Brent Gates, Denny Hawking
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: was a guy that was around for a while.
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: Like these are the guys who sat down Tom Prince.
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: He sat down and talked to him for a long time,
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: and you would talk baseball with him, and they would
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: teach you things, and they would explain things how life.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: Works and how the game works.
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: And now those guys are kind of going away and
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about superstar players. I'm just talking about
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: veteran guys that knew and understood how it worked.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Also, it doesn't work, bieb said Bullpen later in the series.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: He's like, of course, world Series, said Scoop Time with
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal from Los Angeles.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Ken, good to see you.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: I'll start a big picture and then we'll focus on
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: a couple more detailed topics. So the column you put
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: out this morning is titled as World Series pressure Titans
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: Resilient Blue Jays insist on keeping things loose. Just from
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: judging that article by its cover, doesn't every team try
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: to keep the World Series vibes loose? Or do you
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: really feel something different with this team because you've covered
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: a ton of these.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: Both and I addressed this in the article.
• 15:28
  Speaker 7: Great teams always talk about how resilient they are, how
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: they overcome.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: The odds, how people are against them, all this stuff.
• 15:35
  Speaker 7: But the Blue Jays have demonstrated this time and again
• 15:38
  Speaker 7: this season. And as I wrote and I said last
• 15:41
  Speaker 7: night of the broadcast, too led the Majors in comeback
• 15:45
  Speaker 7: wins during the regular season. In the ALCS, they're down
• 15:49
  Speaker 7: two to zero after losing the first two games at home,
• 15:51
  Speaker 7: they're down three to two after a crushing loss in
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: Game five.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: Win that.
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: So what they did in this game last night, without
• 15:59
  Speaker 7: George Springer, with a pitching matchup seemingly favored favoring the Dodgers,
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: what they did was in character. And yes, all teams
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: like this do have a certain resilience, and we know
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: that this team though to me and having been around
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: them now.
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: For a few weeks, it's a special quality.
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: And I can't say it's more special than any other
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: World Series champion, a World Series team, but it sort
• 16:24
  Speaker 7: of defines them and they talk about it a lot.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: Ken, at what point are you media folks that are
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: just rooting for the Dodgers? Are we gonna stop being surprised?
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Are you guys gonna stop being surprised by what the
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Blue Jays are doing? Because you know the Yankees. Oh,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: they're gonna lose to the Yankees at some point. Oh
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: they're down to the Mariners, they lose the first two games. Oh,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: the Dodgers, like you said many times, are just gonna
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: squash them like little bugs. Ken, at what point do
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: you media folks stop being surprised by what the Blue
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Jays are doing?
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: And how good.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: First of all, First of all, I never said that.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: I don't care who is.
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: Of all, AJ don't play the U media folks game
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: when you are now in the media. Now what you're saying, though,
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: there is a certain validity to it, not just among
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: the media but among fans. The expectation is that the
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: Dodgers were going to be favored in this series, and
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: they were, and that they probably would win in five
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: or six games, which they still could do at least
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: six games. The perception was that way because of the
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: defending World Series champions. They've had an interesting kind of year,
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: but they got hot at.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: The right time.
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: Now what has happened is the Blue Jays have gotten
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: hot at the right time too, and the Dodgers, while
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: they're pitching has been outstanding starting pitching, their offense has
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: sagged and their bullpen remains a question.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: So this series, in my mind, was never going to
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: be a route. I thought it would go six, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: I thought the Dodgers would win.
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: Now I'm not so sure, to be perfectly honest, because
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: what we have is a best of three, with two
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: of the games potentially in Toronto.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: Does this become a win for the Blue Jays because
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: there's been there's been. You can see a little cracks
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: in the armor when you look at like, Okay Snell,
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: they got to Snell and show hey wasn't awesome glass.
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: Snell can have his things, but Yamamoto, nobody's cracked Yamamoto.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: So does this become a must win for the Blue
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: Jays because of how good Yamamoto has been?
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: You can look at it one of two ways, Eric,
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: and certainly the way you just described.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: You've got Yamamoto in game six.
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: He's coming off back to back complete games, brilliant performances.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: You gotta win tonight.
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: But to go back to the original question that Scott asked,
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: if they got down three to two in the Alcs end,
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: they lost that game in crushing fashion. They were up
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: in the eighth inning, cal Raley hit the home run
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: and then Suarez.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: We know what happened. And yet they go back home
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: and they win.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: They go back to Toronto, and who knows what might
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: happen in game six.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Granted, Yamamoto was brilliant.
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: In Game two, and that's going to be something in
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: their minds a third time. I would seem to think
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: that he can, but I don't know Eric that anything
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: we've seen this postseason, even in the regular season, has
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: gone according to what we necessarily expected. And if this
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: series has one or two more surprises, that wouldn't surprise
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: me either. It would be nice for Toronto and they're
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: pursued here to win tonight. Obviously, with Yamamoto in Game six,
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's a must win.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: I would think it's more of a must win for
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: the Dodgers with Snell going as good as Snell was.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I know he wasn't great in Game one, but to me,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: this is a bit because you don't want to have
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: to go back.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: To Toronto and have to win two games.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Everyone has kind of figured out that Toronto's a really
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: hard place to play when the Blue Jays are good.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: You saw the watch party last night. There was I
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: don't know how many people were in the Rogers Center
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: slash SkyDome cheering and going crazy. Imagine if it comes
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: back for Game six and seven and everything's on the line,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: that place is gonna forget the whole place.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: All country's gonna be going insane.
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: That's true, and it's a good point because the Dodgers
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: again tonight seemingly have the pitching matchup in their favor, Snell,
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: you would think would be better.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: He said fastball command was the issue in his last start.
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: He wasn't good by his estimation in that performance, and
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: with the Blue Jays it's the Savage for the second
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: straight start on four days rest. As Velo was down
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: about a mile per hour on four days rest, which.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: He hasn't done a lot in his previous start.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: In Game one, so you would think that, yes, this
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: is a game the Dodgers should win. But you probably
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: would have thought that last night, especially without Springer. I
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: wouldn't expect Springer to play tonight either, But this will
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: be interesting tonight because again the Dodgers' offense, and I
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: expect a lineup change. Pa Haes will probably be out
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: of there tonight. The Dodgers' offense, except when Otani is
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: rolling and maybe Freeman is doing some things, they're not
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: doing a whole lot, and that's a problem pa Haes.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: You just mentioned pa Haes being out. Is it just
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: a simple Alex call because that's who's come off the
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: bench the most. Or is there something where we asked
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: Tommy Edmund to go to center field? Is it Kim
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: in there? Miguel Rojas or is it just an easy swap.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: You think it's just an easy swap of Call, that
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: would be my expectation.
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: Then it would be Call with Kik moving to center.
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: Tommy Edmund has had that ankle issue. He hasn't played
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: the outfield in a long time, even taken fly balls
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: in quite some time, so.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't expect it to be Edmund.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: There is a way if you put Edmund out there,
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: that's how you get Rojas into the infield. But I
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: just don't see that coming. What I see is Call
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: in left and keyk in center. It's not ideal defensively,
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: and that's why Dave Roberts has resisted doing it, because
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: this is a team right now built on its pitching.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: But Pie Is I believe it's four for fifty right
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: now in the postseason. It's not good enough, and the
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: bats are largely empty. They are seemingly on the verge
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: of a change here.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: They have to make this change.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Ken, Do you think that they have to make this
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: change because it's not like call Is. I mean, I
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: know Calls a kind of a left handed specialist. Is
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: this just making a change to make a change? Why
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: not Kim at second base and try Edmund in the outfield.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know, try something completely different. Like I feel
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: like if you throw Kim out there, maybe it's a
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: different dynamic. It's a guy that puts them all playing,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: can run and might put some pressure on the Blue Jays.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: But Bets hasn't. I mean, you guys showed it on
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: the post game last night. Bets is not well, Kyk
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: is not well.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Pa Hayes.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Obviously we know those struggles, but there's.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Not it's really show Hey and Freddy once he hasn't
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: done much right, it's really show Hey and Freddy if
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: they don't hit. But I mean you go back to
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: the extra innings. Freddy's really the only one that did anything.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: They walked show Hey every time, clearly, but it's been
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: show Hey and Freddy and the rest of the lineup
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: is has been kind of like, ah, we're just.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Going through them.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Not they're going through the motions, but we're just like
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: they're nothing, no damage, no anything.
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: Really, Aja, you're right, And the question with Edmund versus
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: Kim or with Kim, if Edmund can't do it physically
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: in center field, then it's not a question, No Rojas. No, Kim,
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: you can't move Edmund off of the infield, so you
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: ask if they have.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: To do it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: No, they don't have to do it, and you can
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: keep your defense intact.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: But essentially you've got a dead spot right now in
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: front of Otani and the way they are playing.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: In my view, they need a jolt.
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't even be surprised if Dave Roberts shook up
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: the order tonight because they need some kind of different look,
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: something to change the energy of that offense. And obviously
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: one good night would change everything, right, that's how the
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: postseason works. You look at it differently, but they really
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: haven't had a good night in a while. They're averaging
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: since the Division Series, I'm sorry, since the Wildcard round
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: three point seventy five runs per game.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: That's not good enough.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: Even though they keep winning because mostly they're pitching has
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: kept them going, they are not a team right now
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: that offensively is imposing it all.
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  Speaker 6: Is there a chance Springer gets to that bat in
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: the rest of the World series? Because if not, is
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: the fear of him looming like, oh, he had his
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: uniform on, even with a with a shirt over top
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: of it, better than low perfeto being activated and then
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: they have more options off the bench.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: They're knocking on my door here, guys, even with the
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: privacy sign on, I don't believe Springer will play again.
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: But they're holding out hope. And the way john Stein
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: had described it to me last night on this in
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: the in game interview was, Hey, he made progress today.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: We think he may be a go tomorrow.
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: I don't know that that's true, and we'll see the
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: truth will come out in the lineup.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: When we see the lineup. But he is a guy
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: that is really tough. We know that.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: We also know that leaks are really tricky, and that's
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: what he's dealing with, or seemingly some kind of issue
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: in his side, and because of that, I just can't.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: See him recovering that quickly.
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: The kneecap that was bad, right, and he came back
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: with only a day off between Games five and six
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: of the ALCS, But it's really hard to do when
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: you've got a side issue and he swings as violently
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: as he does, so I have a hard time believing
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: that he's going to play. And if he does, more
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: power to him. I remember David Popkins, the hitting coach,
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: saying in the ALCS after he got hit in Game five,
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: you're gonna have your Kirk Gibson moment. This would be
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: I don't know Kirk Gibson times too, because Springer already
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: had that moment in Game seven of the ALCS.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Ken By the way, the Blue Jays, I mean, I
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: know Springer has been great for him in the postseason,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: but Boba schet stepped in and is doing a nice
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: job as the dch It's not like they didn't have
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: anybody to step in, and it actually kind of it
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: improved their defense and kept their offense similar to when
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Baschette was out and they had so it's not like
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: it was the end of the world. And that's a
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: good thing for the Jays organization that they had the
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: depth to do that. Now we've talked about Snow, We've
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: talked about you Savage.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: What about the bullpens.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: I thought, you know, Dave Roberts threw a lot of
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: his guys out there other than Sazaki yesterday to try
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: to keep them in that game, whereas the Blue Jays
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: they used Bassett.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, they use violin every day, so that doesn't
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: really count.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: But you know who's more ready for this game five
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: on the third day. I feel like the Blue Jays
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: might be in a better spot bullpen wise, after the
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: eighteen inning game and then yesterday than the Dodgers because
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: the Dodgers did use a bunch of their guys up
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: yesterday to try to keep that game close.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm still not in love with either bullpen.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: Even after the at and any game, which was a
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: tremendous performance by both and you cannot take that away
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: from them. But you're right, Ajay, based on last night
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: and the way it went down. Yes, maybe the Dodgers
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: used some of their guys to an extent that they
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: weren't going to be comfortable with using them today. But
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: Bassett through two innings after one inning of the night before,
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: I believe, only twenty pitches. He is a guy that
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: has a rubber arm. He can pitch, so that's a
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: good sign for them. Flu Hardy, of course, was really
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: good last night, and they're gonna need him to be
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: really good because Brendan Little he's.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Given up two huge homers in the postseason now, so.
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: From the left side, it's really flu Hardy and Little,
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: and you don't want to use Little. And the other
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: one is Eric Louer, but he's more of a long guy.
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: And of course he threw four or two thirds innings
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: in the eighteen inning game.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: So I'm not sure I would give either team the
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: edge with the bullpen, but.
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: The Blue Jays because of what they're doing right now
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: and Hoffman not being necessarily a big part of the
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: picture so far except a little bit.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Yes, they should be well positioned.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Ken, good stuff.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: That was your call from the bullpen that you ignored,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: so you can tell them to leave you alone.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: You made your Ken?
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: What did you do?
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I want to know what Ken did during the eighteen
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: inning game because, first of all, like I did a
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: proof of life check on Ken about the sixteenth inning
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: because I hadn't heard from him in so long, so
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: and I know I think Hazel May asked for pizza,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: So did you have pizza sent down there?
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: What did you do during this eighteen inning game?
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Because after about the sixth inning, Ken, you were non existent,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: So I was just that's why I text you, Mike Ken,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: are you alive down there?
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: First of all, everyone AJ Prizinski during the eighteen inning
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: game was being Aj Prazinski texting me like why aren't
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: you on the air?
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Why No, that is not what I said.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Ken, I text you said, are you awake?
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Is what you said? Are you awake?
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: I knew where you were going with it, and I'm
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: gonna hang up right now, Aj, I knew where you
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: would going with that, and you were being aj Prazinski
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: and I wasn't gonna play your little game.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Bye bye.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Can San have a great show tonight, buddy.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: See guys, Thanks good stuff.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal on Fair Territory on Friday for the Fair
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Territory super Fans playoff scheduling is different Friday before Game six.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: You'll have Kenny Ball Game on there with Alana taking
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: your questions. Trey Savage has a superpower. It's called just
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: starting his postseason. So Sarah Lang said, this is going
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: to be his fifth postseason start. No other pitcher has
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: even made three postseason starts without his first within his
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: first eight overall appearances regular season in postseason. He's going
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: to be the first pitcher in MLB history to start
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: multiple World Series games within his first eight career appearances.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Awesome, and I think there was also he's this is
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: his fifth postseason start and that's more starts than he
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: made in Double A and a ball in Double.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: A or something Triple A.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Something that's like some crazy style like I think he
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: pitched four times in Double A and this is.
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  Speaker 2: His fifth postseason appearance and he's got it right. He's
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: got the stuff, he's got the moxie.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: He understands how lucky he is too.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Like, let's just well, he doesn't sound like he's whatever
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: age he is, twenty two.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: He sounds like he's like thirty two.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Like he sounds like he's got These are the guys you, Yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I listened to the guy that scout, the scout that
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: signed him, like they they a lot of scouts think
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: they've got it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: Like they hurt though in college. I remember that's why
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: he dropped. Yeah, he was hurt in college, especially as
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: junior year. He was hurt because Velo was a little
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: down when he was a guy. M hm, Pennsylvania guys
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: have just built different. And he had six Triple I
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: starts and now he has eight and he has he
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: has five postseason.
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  Speaker 1: Starts every day.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Louis has appeared in thirteen games this postseason Louis Island.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Only two pitchers have appeared in more postseason games twenty seventeen,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Brandon Morrow nineteen ninety seven, Paul.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Paul Austin Macker is I just don't know how to
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: pronounce lefty. Would you think it was acid maker? Austin Maker?
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: He was a lefty that threw like down here. He
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: was a reliever. He pitched forever. I think I faced
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Paul Austin Marcher.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: He pitched into the two thousands.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Dude pitched forever. He pitched. He was he was on
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Indians teams. Uh. He was Gosh, he was like a lefty.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: He was like he was like.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Jesse Rosco, like the lefty that every team had that
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: was like a side arm left He just came.
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  Speaker 1: In fourteen seasons. Now he stopped to night.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Pitched in ninety nine. I think I faced him in
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: maybe ninety eight.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Right as you entered the league. You got the famous
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Austen Macher.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was like, oh, Paul Austin Marcher, I
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: get to face him. This is awesome because when I
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, he started in what year eighty six with
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: the Braves, and I was a Braves fan as a kid.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: So of course I knew Paul Austin Macher.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: A little bit.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: He got better that year too. He got better in
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: the World Series that year because Brandon Morrow did not
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: Brandon Morrow was used, abused and got waffled. But Austin Maker, Shoot,
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: he pitched all those games and then he went to
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: the World Series. He had four innings, zero earned runs,
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: gave up five hits.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: And you can listen to Can Tom Berducci, Kevin Burkhart,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: yesterday's guest, Joe Davis, Today's guest, John Smoltz.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I think I got everything last week.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: He was like on last week, or so wasn't he Smoltzy.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Smolts was last week? Yep.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Leading up to the World A Rod, Jeter and Poppy.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I would talk to them.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: What's his last name? The producer Macheska?
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: What a by the way, I know y'all don't care,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: but I care. They did that piece in the pregame
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: on if you watch the pre game. But he's retiring
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: at the end of the World Series. This is twenty
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: second World Series from baseball.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: He was from baseball. He's still doing football.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: This is his twenty second World Series he's done. And
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: my first World Series that I did was twenty eleven.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: So he's been with me for almost fifteen years now,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: like when I was doing a pre and post and
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I've known p and he does games with me in
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: the regular season. What a great guy and it was
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: all to see him do that piece on Pete yesterday
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: and I watched it and I text P and I go,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: I almost cried Pete, and he text me back like,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: of course that's a perfect response from you or something
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: almost Yeah, almost cried. So I mean he's he's awesome guy.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: And I wish Pete the best. We're gonna miss him
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: baseball and enjoy semi retirement.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Pete.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're really giving it to him on the way out.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: He's gonna have at least six, if not seven games.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I texted me. I said, the best part
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: is you get to go back to Toronto. And he's like, oh, Age,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: you're so funny. You're so funny. He's got that straight
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Jersey accent.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Your Jersey accent is interesting.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: I don't have that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Almost as good as crats as Canadian accent. Fox won
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• 34:58
  Speaker 2: in the weeds looking fre I love it. Let's talk
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Vladdie Junior versus Vlattie Senior, his Hall of Fame father
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Jason Stark writing a column about the differences between the
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: two in the postseason, and the little guy's got a beat
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: So I played against his dad in the postseason, okay,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: in two thousand and five.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: And here's the breakdown, right, Vlad Senior one hundred and
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: eighty eight played appearances in the postseason, nine extra base hits.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Vlad Junior has ten extra base hits in this postseason alone.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: He's beaten daddy O fifteen games into October. Vladdie junior
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: slash line is four to nineteen, batting five hundred on
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: base eight oh six, slugging a thirteen to oh six ops.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: He's having an all time postseason, all time. He's having
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: an all time postseason. So yeah, that nobody can are they?
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Anybody could keep up with that. He's having an all
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: time postseason. So his dad is in the Hall of
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Fame and Vlad Junior is on the track to be
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: in the Hall of fame. But yeah, he's having an
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: all time postseason and he's already too a place where
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: his dad never got.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, he said, nobody has put a slash line
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: together like that, And he said, even if we lower
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the minimum to twelve games played, there's only two other
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: names on the four hundred, five hundred eight hundred Slash
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Line Club two thousand and four, Carlos Beltron with the
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Astros in nineteen ninety three, Paul Malider.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: With the Mali My god, Mallie.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: So okay, I'm going to use this example just because
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: it's a recent one and it will probably piss some
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: people off.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Crats.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But when Yankee fans say, get disappointed about a judge performance,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: and I know it was better this year, right, but
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: it was a small sample size, obviously, they're looking at
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Vlad Junior being like, can he do that in the postseason.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody has really done that as we're talking about,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: but this is a superstar bat who is elevating in
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the postseason.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think his his hit tool, I think
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: goes underrated. I think his ability to hit because if
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: he hits close to three hundred, then they're like, well,
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: where's the power. Then he hits for power, They're like, well,
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: is he sacrificing average? I think his You forget how young,
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: how young he still is. You forget how fast his
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: bat speed is. You forget how good his zone discipline is.
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: I think he's been a one to one guy his
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: entire career, I had this one walk to every one
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: strikeout Like that stuff's unheard of, and now you're seeing
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: it on this on the biggest stage. My favorite part
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: before the World Series was he had more home runs
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: than he had swings and misses. Can that be taught
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: probably to not that, not to that level, but he's
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: already an elite player that's taking his game to another
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: level in the postseason. That's like, it's unheard of and
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: that's why he's having a record setting postseason.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Do you know that hit tool grade that Baseball America
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: gave him back in the day as a prospect eighty
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: eighty And they never give out eighties. We can ask
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: on our show on Monday Day JJ, but they never
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: give out eighties, like.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Because he did.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Because they never give him out.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody gets eighties. I know there's sixties, some seventies,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: even seventies are tough. Eighties is like, whoa, this is
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: something different and he's proving to be something different.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: You don't they don't give out eighties. Like It's like
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: when you hear a guy that's like a sixty five,
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: you'd be like, whoa seventy. He's going to be a
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: perennial All Star type of player. And to get an
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: eighty that early in like, it was pretty I heard
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: a lot about him because my roommate manager of the
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: Blue Jays, had him coming up through through the minor
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: leagues and he's like, there's some special dudes.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: He said, this guy is extra special. He's right, and
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Bashett's not far behind him when he's healthy.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Tool wise, Yeah, yeah, it's up there. But you're seeing it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: So for all the grief that we've given Blue Jays,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: well not all of us, but you guys.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: For what you know, not being not living up to
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: the expectations, that actually is true.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Up until this year, they did not live up to
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: expect that. I didn't say that a lot of people
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: had World Series picks in prior years.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: They just picked the wrong year.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: So but they're living up to it now. They are,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: and they got a chance to win the World Series.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: So all those people that said when Baschette and Flat
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: get here, Junior, we're going to have a chance to
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: make a run, well, boom here they are. Sad part
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: is might be gone next year, but at least they
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: have flat for thirteen more years, fourteen more years.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: If he's doing it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if they want bow, they can keep up. Yes,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I agree, especially given the year that they're having right now.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: The Giants did that, though, and you kind of let
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: them down the wrong path. They kept some guys after
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: winning World Series. They might not have should have because
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: of the World Series. But listen, Bo's young, and Bo
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: can hit and bose shortstop and all those things, so
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be mad at all they kept Bo. I
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: was a Blue Jays fan.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I love it, and and to me, yeah, if you
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: want to keep your core and the young guys, vladim
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Bo is the answer. They already handled Flad. One other
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: quick note about the Jason Stark article. He said, the
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: World Series matchup between Otani and Blad most expensive matchup
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: in the World Series.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: One point two billion.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but really technically less with the deferred money net
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: prison value. But still it's about a billion dollar matchup between.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: I saw Otani and I saw a stat Vlad has
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: two homers off of Cheatani, Shelletani has zero off of Lad.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: So point Lad true two points.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Actually actually yesterday was two points a game in the lead,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: so maybe three points. I don't know what the other
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: homer was, if it was a solo or not.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Yep, they're saying.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Lad is probably the last position player on their list
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: that would be pitching in a game, maybe after Bow
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: and Springer because they're banged up.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: But then flads all the way down there.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe Kirk. I think Kirk might be.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Kirk's pretty far down there as well. He's got to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: catch here.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: He is.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Joe Davis calling the World Series on Fox. Joe, great
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: to have you on, man, Appreciate the time and no
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: busy times. And how has your sleep been going the
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: last few days?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: My friend?
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: Better last night, I guess than two nights ago. I
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: had no choice but to get a quick one a
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: couple of nights ago. So caught up a little last night.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, you know KB yesterday, now Joe today?
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: You know these these these these lead play by play
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: guys for Fox or just such divas.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Man, It's like, I mean, it's crazy.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: You know, one guy does the Super Bowl, one guy
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: does the World Series, and oh I couldn't get my
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: beauty sleep. I'm gonna have to have extra makeup today.
• 42:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, those bags, look at those things.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Ask them, ask them about the meals.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, by the way, we've done a
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: lot of games together. Five o'clock, you stop eating. I've
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: seen you eat it like six ish o' clock in
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: New York and some other places.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: So like is it only five? Is it five Pacific?
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Or is it only five?
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: Is it's five in a controlled environment. But if I'm
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: dining with if I have the chance to dine with you,
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: I'll push that back to like six o five for sure.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: But here's the thing, Like I'll bring in all the
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: junk food, Like I bring in pizzas and whatever they have.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: You guys have all seen, like I bring in anything
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: that they can get. Like usually Jen or or who
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: that's doing Eric, whoever's doing the ops, will send me
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: like bringing everything. Joe never touches it, like the turkey
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: the other day, Like Joe, you took a bite out
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: of the I think you actually did take a bite
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: out of the turkey.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: But like not only chocolate cake.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: A little different, but every time you bring in like
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: you have your own salad, you have your little jar, peanuts,
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: you have this and that, Like look you're drinking out
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: of your fancy water bottle. Meanwhile, I got my plastic
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: water bottle here. You know, it's just we're just built.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Different definitely alkaline.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: But like it's it's just amazing when you you know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: you start you see you start seeing people for you know,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: different things, especially in eighteen innings, and they start talking
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: about things that aren't the game, which we're gonna get to.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: But like you you know, you start hearing about five
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: o'clock dinners and I don't know, Joe, I just think
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: you've changed now because you've.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Done too many world series.
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm sorry to Yeah, I'm sorry to let you
• 43:53
  Speaker 9: down a j go.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: A good feeling, Joe.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I have one more broadcast question then we'll get into
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the series. I called games in my heyday, and I'm wondering,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: do you ever get concerned when there's so much action
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: going on in a game that you're going to miss
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: getting to a call?
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I used to call games for our YouTube Game of
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the Week, and we had so much action going on,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: and we did a great job of making sure we
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: got back to the call. But sometimes like something happens, right,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: you brought the umpire on the other day and you're
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: trying to get that explanation, which is great, but then
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: nowadays with the pitchclock, you're getting right back to the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: pitch clock. There's just like a even with the turkey,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: right Like I've been there, dude, You're doing something in
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: the booth and it's fun and it's good, but you're
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: also like, I need to be paying attention because this
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: could be someone's biggest home run I've ever.
• 44:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it was funny when we had Mark Carlson on
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: the other day to go over the play at the plate.
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: Will Smith was up. This was I don't know, like
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: thirteenth inning at that point or something, and I've watched
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: Will Smith at five walk off home runs in the
• 44:54
  Speaker 9: last five years and Mark's still going. I was like,
• 44:57
  Speaker 9: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, this
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: World Series game is about to end. While Mark's talking
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: God bless him, like no fault of his own. It's
• 45:04
  Speaker 9: just to your point, Scott, there is a lot of
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: extra stuff in these games, and I just I trust
• 45:09
  Speaker 9: Pete macchescar producer in our truck that we're going to
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: make sure we're out of the way ninety nine percent
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: of the time. It's just that was a unique one
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: right there.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: It was like, we cannot miss this and this guy
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: could do it on this next pitch.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Joe, first of all, a great job beyond the thing
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: that you guys did for Pete. Yesterday.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: I text Pete and said it almost made me cry.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Of which part Pete was like, that was the perfect response,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: but it was. It was a great job what you
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: guys did for Pete. But I always wondered this, and
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I've never asked to play by play guy this. How
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: much do you pre plan your calls or how much
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: do you just do they just come to you right
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: like the Freddie meet Gibby thing last year and then
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: to walk off again for Freddy. How much is this
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: already in your head if this happens, or is it
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: just straight off the cuff.
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: I think it's somewhere in between. I never want to
• 45:53
  Speaker 9: be scripted because I think it's going to sound scripted.
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: But I'm always trying to lean forward and anticipate something
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: big happening, so so then when it does happen, it's
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: not just okay, home run?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: What does this mean?
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: Like I can't figure that out in the moment. I'm
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: not smart enough to figure out right there in the moment.
• 46:09
  Speaker 9: The appropriate context for the call, and I think that's
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: what it requires this time. Here is a caption that
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: can really make it stand the test of time and
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: that people can go back and watch that clip fifty
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: years from now and know that it was more than
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: just home run, like what did the moment mean? And
• 46:24
  Speaker 9: for me to do that, I'm always thinking about, you know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: the context around the game, around the inning, around the
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: at bat, and then hopefully the right thing out of
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: that thinking comes out as opposed to scripting it.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, so now let's get to biz here.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, you watch plenty of Dodgers baseball during the
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: regular season. Two what are you seeing right now from
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: some of their bats that are slumping? It obviously gets
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: magnified in a series like this. And do you think
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: that they will make a change?
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: And why.
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: I do think that they. I would anticipate bait them
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: changing the nine spot. Not that Andy Pajes is the
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: only problem, but Dave Roberts is hinted at that, and
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: then another night where the offense goes quiet, so I
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: could see a change coming. I'd say this though, Scott,
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: I know when you look at the full numbers, they
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: were a great offense. They were the number two run
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: scoring team in baseball, behind the Yankees, but for two
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: or three months they were bad, So it's not like
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: they were just this machine for a full season. There
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: were long stretches there, and granted that part of it
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: had to do with injuries, but for a lot of
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: this summer the offense was disappointing. This isn't that shocking
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: to see them go through a stretch like this, however
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: badly timed that It clearly is talking about the lineup.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: Would there ever be a chance that they would move
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Mooki in front of show Hey, somebody that can handle
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: pitches middle because clearly teams are coming after Pajes and
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: it's not working. Show Hay is like the ultimate like
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: protection in the lineup. Couldn't you use show Hey to
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: get somebody else hot like Muki, who is essentially why
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: they've been intentionally walking show Hey the whole time.
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I love the idea, and for a couple of reasons. Right,
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: you got Mooki struggling, You have Otani who's getting pitched
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: around because there's nobody on base when he comes on,
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: so they have the freedom to handle him however they
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: want to. Maybe it gets both those guys with the
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: arrow pointed out, you get Bets a different look there,
• 48:24
  Speaker 9: and you get Otani maybe with somebody on base. The
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: other side of that is, I know Dave Roberts rarely
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: is reactionary, and I know the desperate times call for
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: desperate measures. You're looking your two losses away from your
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: season ending, But I would be surprised to see that change,
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: even though I totally see what you're saying and I
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: think it makes sense.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Joe, how surprised are you by what the Blue Jays
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: could have done in this series? I know you've been
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: following him for a couple of weeks now, and yes,
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: they're really but if going into this, if you ask
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: most people, everyone's like, oh, the blue Jays have no
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: chance against the Dodgers, and yet here are they are
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: right there? And we asked Ken earlier, We had Ken
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: on earlier and he kind of gave us his answer.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: But how surprised are you, as someone clearly that knows
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: more about the Dodgers than the Blue Jays, that the
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Blue Jays are putting up this kind of fight. Not
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: only a fight, they're one hit away from being up
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: three to one in this series.
• 49:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not that surprised, And like you said, we've
• 49:19
  Speaker 9: been with them throughout this month of October. We had
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: we've had every playoff game for the Blue Jays, so
• 49:24
  Speaker 9: we've talked about this a little bit on the broadcast.
• 49:26
  Speaker 9: But there was this perception, I think that this is
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: David against Goliath, and that's just not true. Blue Jays
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: won ninety four games, they were the top team in
• 49:34
  Speaker 9: the American League. Dodgers have those three MVPs at the top,
• 49:38
  Speaker 9: and they have this massive payroll, but the Blue Jays
• 49:42
  Speaker 9: have a top five payroll as well, so it's not
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: like they're the little engine that could with a bunch
• 49:47
  Speaker 9: of plucky guys. I know that bat to ball is
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: part of the identity, and they have those guys and
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: they have the lineup length. But they also have Vladimir
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: Guerrero Junior. They also, if he's healthy, have George Springer.
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: So this is to me that big of a surprise
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: that this has been a tough series. I think the
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: folks that thought the Dodgers were gonna roll through the
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: Blue Jays, probably like me, before October, didn't have a
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: full appreciation for how well rounded a team the Jays are.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so what happens in Game five, The Dodgers need
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Blake Snell to give them six seven innings. You Savage,
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  Speaker 4: give them five good innings and there's a better chance
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: for them. But I mean, the Dodgers we talked about
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: their lineup are so much relying right now when they're
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: starting pitching. Especially in an ideal world, Roberts goes Snell
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: seven Sasaki too, and they win the game and move on.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Maybe a couple homers from show Hey and Freddy, right,
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: But how much pressure does that put on this Dodger
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: team knowing, like gosh, Blake Snell's taking them out and
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: going like, man, if I don't give them six or
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: seven really good things as we're not scoring like this
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: is such a change for Dodgers teams of past.
• 51:51
  Speaker 9: It is, But Dodger team of right now and Blue
• 51:54
  Speaker 9: Jay's team of right now, I think you're on it.
• 51:57
  Speaker 9: What's gotten the Dodgers here starting pitching? What stops the
• 52:01
  Speaker 9: Dodgers their bullpen? You say six or seven from Snell? Heck,
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: I'd be hoping for nine from Snell. I mean, avoid
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: that bullpen altogether if you can. Roki Sasaki has been
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: much better than you anticipated it could have ever envisioned
• 52:15
  Speaker 9: in the closers role. I still think you can't feel
• 52:19
  Speaker 9: that great about a kid who just started pitching out
• 52:21
  Speaker 9: of the bullpen a few weeks ago.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: So for the.
• 52:24
  Speaker 9: Dodgers, the biggest strength has been the starting pitching. It
• 52:27
  Speaker 9: has to be that if they're going to win this
• 52:29
  Speaker 9: World Series. For the Blue Jays, you mentioned Treya Savage.
• 52:32
  Speaker 9: He looked worn down. This is the longest season of
• 52:35
  Speaker 9: his career. How much can you really put on the
• 52:38
  Speaker 9: twenty two year old. The thing is they have the
• 52:41
  Speaker 9: offense to paper over what may not be seven shot
• 52:45
  Speaker 9: at innings from their starting pitcher. Dodgers are here because
• 52:48
  Speaker 9: of their starting pitching. If they win, it'll be because
• 52:50
  Speaker 9: of the same thing. Blue Jays are here because of
• 52:53
  Speaker 9: their offense. If they win it it'll be because that
• 52:55
  Speaker 9: offense continues to do enough to overcome whatever they lack
• 52:58
  Speaker 9: and run prevention.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Joe.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: One storyline that I keep pushing is that the Dodgers
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: could get crapty and start using these starters more frequently
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: out of the bullpen. We're down only three games.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: At this point.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Do you think they do any of that? Hey, everybody
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: that's got their throw day, you're not throwing. You can
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: always do it right after the game, but we need
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: an inning or two out of the rest of the rotation.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, Yamamoto almost pitched a couple days after he
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: appeared in that extra inning game, and I know there's
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: a balance of health and arm care and stuff like that,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: but it's not like we haven't seen it before. I
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: always mentioned, like the twenty eighteen Red Sox and Dodgers
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: have done this before with Arrius. So I'm wondering if
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: we're going to potentially see that the next few days. Right,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: A guy's a couple days from his start, he's got
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: a throw day. Let me get an inning or two
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: from you, because I would rather have class now Snell
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Yamamoto pitching for an inning or two than whoever else
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: is the bridge guy.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:51
  Speaker 9: Well, I think when you look at Game seven, it's
• 53:53
  Speaker 9: always going to be all hands on deck. Whoever's got
• 53:55
  Speaker 9: anything left in the tank is going to be on
• 53:57
  Speaker 9: the table. You mentioned Yamamoto the other night, so he's
• 54:00
  Speaker 9: willing to do it, but he's not going to do
• 54:03
  Speaker 9: it given what you said about this is down to
• 54:04
  Speaker 9: three games now, he's starting in two nights, so you're
• 54:07
  Speaker 9: not going to see him tonight. So that leaves just
• 54:09
  Speaker 9: Tiler glass now, and you're not going to pitch your
• 54:12
  Speaker 9: Game seven starter in a two to two series in
• 54:15
  Speaker 9: game five. So, uh, we saw it a little bit
• 54:18
  Speaker 9: early on in the playoffs. Glass now came out of
• 54:20
  Speaker 9: the bullpen in his first outing. You may see it
• 54:23
  Speaker 9: at the very back end we saw. Yamamoto is willing
• 54:26
  Speaker 9: to do it the other night game seven. I think
• 54:28
  Speaker 9: you'd see it again, but I just don't think it
• 54:30
  Speaker 9: makes sense at this point. Snell starting tonight, Yamamoto starting
• 54:34
  Speaker 9: in game six. Those are two of the four options.
• 54:37
  Speaker 9: Is not going to be Otani having pitched last night,
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: and you're not going to fire Glass now?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Who you need for game seven?
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Agreed? Agreed?
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: All right, here's here. Here's I have two questions for you. One,
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: you got a bobblehead and I didn't get one? How
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: many did Rick get? Did Rick get like twenty five bbbleheads?
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: Of yourself?
• 54:52
  Speaker 9: I have?
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Actually Rick is the stats guy, Joe statsk They have.
• 54:57
  Speaker 9: Their own get over here that over there is boxes
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: of them. So I bet we can get you one.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: If only I knew a guy that could send me one,
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: we would put it on I think I can make
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: that happen. Yes, that would be. It'd be right here
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: on my desk. Okay, but that dude, Yes, right next
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: to Hawk and DJ. But here here's my question for you,
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: oral last night throughout the first pitch, did you see it?
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: And how much grief is he gonna get? Because he
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: wasn't even close? I mean it was it was almost
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: in the grass. I know he has a pitch for
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: a while, but I mean I'm thinking, like if we
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: sent Sandy Kofax out there at eighty nine, he probably
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: would be able to still get it there.
• 55:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm worried about him. I figured he'd be fresh.
• 55:45
  Speaker 9: We we were back to the field getting ready to
• 55:48
  Speaker 9: do the open and I happen to peek over my
• 55:50
  Speaker 9: shoulder right before so I could see it. And Rick,
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: you mentioned my stats guy up there. We both watched
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: it and just lost it, laughing like we're never gonna
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: let him live it down.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it was so good.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I have the ultimate content.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: Well, who would be better, because you know you and
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: Rick both played sports, would if you had to throw
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: out the first pitch?
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: And Rick, who I love?
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Rick is again the stats guy for Joe and he
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: also does a great job for me. So who would
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: be better at a first pitch if you both had
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: to do it, Who's who's going to give you the
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: better toss?
• 56:19
  Speaker 9: For sure, Rick, because I would yip out, Dude, that'd
• 56:21
  Speaker 9: be like, oh my, I would make Oral look like.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Oral broadcasters. He can call a world series. But first pitch.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I don't do first pitch. I know a lot of broadcasters.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: They're like, no, because all you're doing is giving Ammo.
• 56:40
  Speaker 9: Right bablehead night on my Bobblehead Night, they said, do
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: you want to throw it out?
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: Hell?
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: No, my kids are throwing it out.
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: I'm not going out on that limb.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I could not agree more. There's nothing to lose or
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: nothing to gain and everything to lose. Right if you
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: throw it, well, it's.
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: Like okay, unless unless you're Bob Costas. Bob Costas did
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: it and he threw it and it was so bad,
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: and he always every time he comes on he brings
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: it up. He threw it so bad. It was for
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: commercial for Saint Louis. He did it again, and he
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: threw a strike and nobody booed nobody. He literally threw
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: it ten feet to my right and he goes, hey,
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: I need you to catch my first pitch. He I
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: dove for it to try to make it look good.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Wasn't even close. He's just like, give me the ball.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: They rolled him a different ball boom strike, and then
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: I was the one they used on.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: The Saint Louis commercial.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know.
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna avoid that whole thing.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah I would. I would say, like.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: You avoid eating after five o'clock and the chuck eplayed it.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: But Joe, this was great.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Thanks for hopping on with us, really appreciating it for
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: our crowd. Obviously you'll catch Joe tonight for Game five
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: and enjoy it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Manhappy Wait, hold up, no, before he goes, I have
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: to ask him one more question because I'm sorry, I
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: know one more they get mad of me. Joe, when
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: did you guys start the Smoltz slide? Because he used
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: you know what you know? Do you see like this
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: on the on the open camera?
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Now you have.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: The the old Smoltz is off the camera and then
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: you're like.
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, in here John and you just boom right, you practice,
• 58:05
  Speaker 9: we get ready like he'll he'll practice and make sure
• 58:07
  Speaker 9: it's hips are loose.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: And definitely did just have hip surgery, just I think
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: your replacement did.
• 58:12
  Speaker 9: And he is really proud of those hips.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: So he's like, watch my slid slide into this show.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Topic, all right, so we'll look for it. Joe, thanks man,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: have fun, all right, boys, take care you too, appreciate
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: it all right. That's Joe Davis.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Obviously you can catch him tonight on Fox and on
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