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Human trafficking – 21st century slavery: Are we averting our eyes? · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  It's the tip of the spare in the epic battle to defend the United States of America.
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  The National Security Hour exposes the wolves in sheep's clothing and the nefarious plots to undermine and destroy U.S.
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  national security.
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  Welcome to the National Security Hour and the America Out Loud Network.
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  I'm your host, Blanquita Cullum, and this is the end of January.
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  And a lot of people don't realize the significance of it because it's anti-human trafficking, preventing human trafficking month.
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  And I've got some people who are making a difference to join us on the show.
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  One we've met before, very good friend of mine, Andy Berger, who is the chairman and the founder of Voices Against Trafficking.
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  And another woman who's joining us, I think, for the first time on this program, Gayla Bynum.
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  And Gayla Bynum is exceptional too because she is the founder and chair of We Will Survive Cancer.
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  Now, on this show, not only we're going to tell you the three pieces, let's see, it's prevention, protection, and trying to be able to figure out ways to provide assistance to the victims.
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  We're going to let you know of a shocking revelation of a link potentially to cancer.
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  A lot going on in the show.
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  First of all, welcome Andy and welcome Gayla to our program to the next hour.
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  Thank you, BQ.
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  Well, Andy, you have a brand new book out, which is called Courage is Contagious Voices Against Trafficking.
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  Um, a lot of the things that people don't understand, I think people are witnessing experiences around the world where people are protesting and we're trying to stop people from coming in the country.
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  But in that mix, some of the people who are being arrested are human traffickers.
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  And I think that uh it's important to highlight this because a lot of people don't want to understand or at least they're trying to avert their eyes to the numbers.
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  Give us your background.
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  Well, as a survivor myself, as you know, of 17 years of child sex trafficking back in the early 60s when they didn't have the term human trafficking, they didn't have programs and hotlines and you know, social services dedicated to that kind of thing.
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  They didn't even really talk about child abuse, you know, they just shut it down, and especially in the familial abuse and trafficking systems, because when it's a family member, they're kind of covered by the bloodline.
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  The courts see it as, oh, it's a problem in the family, they'll figure it out or whatever.
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  But that's not really the case.
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  And so it's even harder for victims uh trapped in the familial system to get out or to get help.
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  But to your point, um, so when I talk about it uh from my perspective, any human being that seeks to exploit or coerce someone into an act that they do not want to be doing, into you know, labor trafficking into debt repayment, that is wrong, period, whether they come over the border or don't come over the border.
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  So when I hear people upset about criminals being uh arrested and taken into custody for doing these heinous acts, I don't understand it because as human beings, we should never want the next human being to endure something like that or to go through that.
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  That's absolutely true.
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  And I was looking at the numbers here.
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  It's like 27 plus million people worldwide that are trafficked, 27.6 million victims worldwide.
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  But the the thing of
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  It is probably more than that because they're hiding.
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  We don't know about yeah, and it's only what we get as reported.
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  So if we can only track those many, imagine how much it's probably closer to 40 plus million because not everyone will report.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, no, not everyone walks into the ER and says, this is how it happened.
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  Um, in fact, our good friend Alma Tucker, we had uh, she called me last year or a year and a half ago and said, I have this girl, she escaped from the trafficker, she's in the hospital.
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  Do you have a room up there in Oregon?
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  Or you know, we were trying to figure out a way to help her, and it ended up that Alma was able to find a place uh closer, but the trafficker was still looking for her.
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  Okay, that's a very rare situation where that young girl would actually tell somebody what was happening to her.
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  And we might point out to the audience that Alma Tucker, who's one of our charter members also like Gala, yes, against trafficking, has a safe house in Tijuana, Mexico, which now is filled to capacity.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  You know, one of the things that we're going to have you highlight during the show is, you know, these victims, regardless of how old they are, young, old summer babies.
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  I mean, and Andy, you were a baby.
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  You were just six months old when you went through the traffic trafficking until you were 17.
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  Um, these young people and older people, they suffer physical abuse that comes back to haunt them the rest of their lives.
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  And you found an of a pretty outstanding, a shocking revelation that you're gonna go into more depth with about potentially cancer.
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  Absolutely.
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  And and that's why.
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  I'm sorry.
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  Yeah, I was just gonna say I'm so grateful Gala is here because just last night, really quick, I had another lady from Australia who has also done research, which is confirming exactly what Gayla's gonna talk about right now.
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  Yes, so um I a few years ago I was at a seminar at Johns Hopkins, and one of the speakers was from CDC in Atlanta, and he brought this up about the correlation of human trafficking and cancer, and I was like, um, how very interesting that was because we will survive cancer is going on to its 17th year.
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  And as uh government employee human trafficking was one of the issues that I worked in.
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  So being able to combine and meld those together was really interesting to me.
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  Um we'll delve into that into great detail.
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  But Andy, what I was surprised about is you hear from people all over the world.
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  What was the call about?
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  What happened?
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  Well, she originally was trying to buy our e-book, which is you know, uh the e-book version, I'm sorry, of our of our new book, trying to get those words out.
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  Uh, and and so I helped her with that.
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  And in the process, she told me that she works with victims and that she has uh done research and would love to be more involved in conversations and symposiums about the relationship between illnesses and cancer and survivors of human trafficking, uh, ritualistic abuse, child abuse, all those things.
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  And so we're going to connect.
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  She's rebranding herself so in a few weeks.
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  She's going to give me all her information so that we can have interviews and help put her also on a panel with us because she was very excited to know that we cared about that correlation.
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  I said, Well, as a matter of fact, you know, tomorrow I'm going to be on an interview.
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  Uh, and one of our charter members, you know, Gala Bynum, and of course the honorable BQ, uh, we're going to be talking about this.
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  She said, Oh, I would love to be part of that.
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  Um, I'm not ready yet, but so again, and we had men's yeah.
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  Yeah, I had mentioned to her G now Alice Price Tobler because she she has like multiple PhDs, and she was the one who first five years ago introduced me to the statistics about how one sexual abuse of a child can create up to 73 different diseases and the same number of cancers.
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  Wow.
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  That's amazing.
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  And Gala, you know, you're the expert over there, and we will survive cancer.
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  Uh this has to resonate with you because of the variety of causes of cancer.
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  Some people would say, you know, it was environmental.
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  Some would say that it's something that people have been doing this wrong with their uh with the kinds of food that they've been eating.
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  Some would say, well, it's it's something that's passed down because family members have had cancer.
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  But what about this kind of abuse or shock to the system uh that they're learning could be a trauma?
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  Well, one of the things uh that I learned um early, and and this was basically after my daughter-in-law was uh diagnosed with cancer, is that we all have cancer cells in our bodies, it's just what makes them blow up, and so the shock and uh of uh being human trafficked, and I have recently heard some of the most horrendous stories.
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  Uh Andy, I'm actually reading your book right now.
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  Oh, thank you.
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  Yeah, so uh it came yesterday, so I'm really happy about that.
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  But um, but the stories of child abuse and and in treatment and are are unbelievable to me.
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  I yeah, you know, I grew up very naive, I guess.
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  My mother always said I was sheltered, and I didn't understand it, but I get it now.
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  Yeah, boy, do I too?
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  Wow.
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  So I I can't even imagine having I had a golden childhood in comparison with what um I hear about so many people, and it just is heartbreaking.
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  It is heartbreaking, and and uh I want to get this correct line of the three Ps here because this is important to remember it's prevention, protection, and prosecution.
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  Andy has said to me many times here the only time a human trafficking victim really feels safe is if the violator is in prison for the life or dead.
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  Absolutely.
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  My last predator died a year ago.
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  Okay, so we're talking 50 plus years, 60 years after.
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  And so that that moment when I got that call, and and my husband Ed was with me.
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  He says, How do you feel?
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  I said, Oh my gosh, no more boogeyman.
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  Nobody can ever show up somewhere in this country, somewhere in my life, and I won't ever have to see them, right?
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  Right.
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  And I felt happy on a cellular level, like a freedom I hadn't felt.
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  I I've I'm joyful, I have a great life, I have great friends look at you guys, but but there's that one place that nobody could ever truly give me that kind of freedom.
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  And I thank God that he allowed that person to die and that I was able to know about it so that I would know no more.
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  Well, you've suffered a lot of abuse in your life, Andy, especially as a little girl.
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  And Gayla talking about these triggers that uh start activating the cancer in young people or adults.
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  And Gayla, I mean, this I guess shouldn't be such a shocking revelation to discover that human trafficking victims have a propensity towards cancer, but it was a it was a big deal.
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  I I'm sure you were surprised.
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  Yeah, I was.
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  I I was um and you know, as a result, through the
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  Through the years, I've done research, you know, come come up.
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  I'm really interested in a woman from Australia.
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  I mean in her what her her studies are, very, very interested in that.
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  We'll get those.
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  Yeah.
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  So it I always said that if I were had not become involved in cancer, that human trafficking would probably be my primary thing that I would do because they didn't come simultaneously at the same time.
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  My daughter-in-law was diagnosed with cancer, and her story was what propelled me to do what we're doing now.
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  But yeah, you know, having being able to correlate the two of them together was just uh was startling, actually.
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  I'm sure it was.
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  And Andy?
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  Yeah, I was gonna say, you know, in my own life, I didn't really put it together either.
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  But when I looked back uh when this first came to my attention, I thought about all the times I had respiratory infections, I had stress-induced illnesses, but where did that stress originate from, right?
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  Right.
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  Like you said, Gayla, it's in our cells.
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  Our cells, all 30 trillion plus cells in our body, remember everything from the moment of conception.
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  And so that's the joys, that's the heartaches, that's everything in every tiny little cell.
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  And so think about the enormous stress, and especially when a victim becomes a survivor and they decide to go through therapy to get out.
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  Very reliving that same hell like I did, right in a conscious state, a very conscious state.
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  But in order to get through that tunnel, that's the only way to do it is to get that healing and that health.
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  And um, so the stress in our cells uh manifest in all kinds of things.
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  And I've had five breast cancer scares, which thankfully I have, you know, rebuked and and and made it through, and a liver cancer scare.
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  And so our organs have so much stress on them just in daily life.
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  Think about traffic, right?
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  Think about raising children, think about all the things that cause us stress, but now you're gonna add such an intimate trauma that really sucks the soul out of a victim.
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  Absolutely.
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  And as go ahead, Gayla.
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  No, I and as a child, especially, because they're they're so vulnerable to love and to happiness and and and pain, you know.
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  So that I'm sure that must be an absolutely extraordinary thing to try to overcome.
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  One of the things that I would like us to focus on as we're looking at these three Ps here that we're talking about, the prevention and the protection and the prosecution, is right now people have taken their focus off the victims.
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  And yeah, they don't like a lot of things that are going on, but how in that mix do we identify the young people or the people?
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  Because you know, people are trafficked to all different ages and stages of their life.
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  How do we identify them?
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  And this discussion, I'd like us to try to think about some of the ways, and Andy, I know that you have a lot of expertise from all the people that you've worked with on our board that have tried to help us figure out uh how do we know?
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  How do we see if someone's in trouble?
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  And now, when I look back, I don't know about y'all, like you, Gail.
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  I had a pretty great couple of parents there.
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  I was pretty dumb, but I look back now into one young woman I knew as a teenager, about 11 or 12 years old.
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  If I had been aware she was probably being violated and trafficked, but I just didn't know.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, we didn't have discussions back then because nobody had a uh a fix on what it was, right?
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  Um now we call it hypersexualized or over sexualized.
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  We call call it well, you know, that person was abusive, you know, that dad was.
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  Abusive to the kids all the time and the mom, you know, all that stuff.
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  And it used to quote unquote just be rape, right?
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  On the college campuses that we were afraid of for our daughters and our and our sisters on the campuses.
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  But it's way beyond that at this point because the predators know how to find the vulnerabilities.
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  For example, impoverished um poverty, you know, someone that comes out of a poor situation.
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  It's not their fault.
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  It's just they're more vulnerable because someone comes along and say, hey, I'll I'll buy you a coat.
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  I'll I'll give you a night at a hotel.
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  We'll go have a good dinner, you know, whatever.
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  We give them a nice present.
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  Um, or yeah, or hey, young man, I've got a great job for you.
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  Don't worry, we'll pick you up, you know.
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  Don't tell your mom and dad.
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  We'll surprise them with, you know, your discuss that a little bit more in depth.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Do we end this mix of trying to give a break to people who don't necessarily deserve a break mixed in with people who do?
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  Cover up a lot of the victims who are getting through and hurt and violated because nobody's paying attention to them.
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  Well, I'm Blanquita Cullum, and I have a couple of great guests.
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  Andy Berger, who is the chairman and the founder of Voices Against Trafficking.
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  And of course, my dear friend, another wonderful person, Gala Bynum.
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  And she is the chairman of Tell Us About This.
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  We will survive cancer, Gayla.
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  When did that happen for you?
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  When did you start that?
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  Um, We Will Survive Cancer began in 2009.
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  And it was the direct uh influence, basically, of my daughter-in-law who was diagnosed with cancer at the age of 31.
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  Wow and uh she should have been diagnosed when she was pregnant with my grandson, but the doctor said she was too young, and uh, you know, her body was going through changes and not to worry about it.
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  So he was 13 months old when she was finally diagnosed.
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  She lived five and a half years after that, and during that amount of time, I'd never been around anyone with cancer, uh, no one in my family for sure.
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  And uh so being down uh she was in Texas, and in being with her and sometimes sitting through her chemo and uh other treatment.
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  I you know, I learned a lot about cancer that I knew nothing about.
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  And so uh during the time that she lived, she raised over 125,000 for uh Coman in Austin and became and she was interviewed all over the country, basically.
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  But um, so she came here for a couple of fundraisers.
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  I introduced her to my friends, and everybody fell in love with her.
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  She was very, very personable and wonderful and we just am brave, and she was a warrior for she refused to give up.
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  And uh, but she passed away five and a half years later.
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  Well, and you know, Andy, that's a symptom too of a lot of the the people that are on the board with us that are trying to make people aware of these victims.
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  It seems like they're having to speak out and be very brave at a time when people would just like to try to avert their eyes because there's saying it's not happening, my neighborhood's not happening at the border.
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  We're trying to get these people, they're all good people.
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  Well, you know, my mother was Mexican, so I I and stayed a Mexican citizen.
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  I agree.
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  We have a lot of great Latinos, but some of them we want to be able to hold accountable if they're trafficking young people coming across the border and then just disappearing.
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  And and you know, uh Alma Tucker, our good friend, who has the safe house in Tijuana says they leave them in the desert and and violate them and let them die.
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  Absolutely.
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  And and and here's my thought, and and this probably won't go over well with some people, but we still have over 300,000 children in the U.S.
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  that are unaccounted for.
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  How does that happen?
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  Why aren't people as concerned about that?
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  Everyone was like in a big, oh, let's get the Epstein files.
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  Why aren't we that passionate about finding the kids on the border that are left there, half dead, that are sold?
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  Why are we not looking at this from a different perspective?
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  Which says, you know, border security is security.
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  Okay.
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  It's not that we don't want people to come to this country, but there's a proper way to do that.
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  When I grew up, I had a lot of great uh Latino friends, and their families were amazing.
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  It's kind of like second families to me, but they did it the right way.
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  They went through citizenships, they did all the stuff they had to do to be here legally.
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  Now, that being said, what we have here is just a bad situation for the people that are good.
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  And and yes.
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  We are we because there are a lot of good people in in this situation, they're just free to work.
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  So how you know, I guess the resolution that those of us that are concerned about victims, how do we identify these victims?
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  What should be the process to be able to say we may not be able to stop them from being violated, but how do we rescue them and try to resuscitate and save their lives?
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  Well, when the border was open, uh social services, you know, foster care, they were overwhelmed.
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  And instead of taking the full 30 days to vet out, does this child or young uh teenager actually have family here?
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  They from 30 days it went up to 10.
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  Okay, so they were just processing so quickly that there really wasn't a full vetting.
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  And that might have that would have helped a lot.
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  But on the other hand, once those kids are here, you know, we can't just let them starve.
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  We can't just let them be sold.
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  Yeah, that's inhumane.
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  There's that is not compassion, and and that's not what America's about.
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  So and Gala, to that point, again, as we talk about this being 21st century slavery, it's a bit more complicated because it's not like people are bringing them in ships and it's one race over another race.
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  This is a you know, this is a blend of sexes, generations, races, denominations, and um, and I think the concern is even when it comes to the national security issue, is how do you how do you determine?
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  And uh what are your thoughts on that?
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  My thoughts are that right now I see this as probably the the most horrible situation with uh ever in this country.
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  I cannot believe that the people in the state of uh Minnesota are tearing the the place apart, and and you know, I don't know about ice, I don't know what ice does or what it doesn't, but I think that the premise is to take care and and try to find these children and bring them out of the situation that they're in.
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  And you're right, I've heard that the the 300,000 or may or more, however many there are, are in dire situations right now, and uh actually uh have been taken underground so that they're they can't even be found.
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  That's the frightening thing.
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  I see you nodding your head on that, Andy.
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  Oh, it's horrific.
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  I mean, even before all of this, think about a couple hundred years ago, how people ran alcohol, you know, during prohibition, the tunnels for gun running.
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  I mean, those things are still there.
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  So when you literally say underground, there's that, there are a lot of um the article that uh one of our our our new partners, Mark Renda, who uh sent me about uh they're hollowing out uh hay bales and trafficking children and humans in them, and there uh I posted it, and uh there was actually a video of this happening, and then the bills get changed to a truck, and the truck takes the kids or people in those huge hay bills that were hollowed out, and it just looks like a farm truck taking hay, you know, to some farm, and so they're very creative, and because our culture has desensitized, I believe, the value of children and the importance of this well doesn't happen here, like BQ said.
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  Okay, well, it does.
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  Every neighborhood has human trafficking, it's just the predators look like your dentists and the librarian and the the coach, right?
• 27:41
  We've had national headlines about those, right?
• 27:45
  Right as a society, yeah, being diligent in terms of uh as as the honorable Bon Kate Cullum has said, it's right versus wrong, not right versus left, it's right versus wrong, right?
• 27:58
  This country has to get back to
• 28:00
  Saying all trafficking is bad.
• 28:02
  All trafficking of human beings, all enslavement of human beings is bad.
• 28:06
  We have more slavery now than we did hundreds of years ago.
• 28:10
  It's interesting.
• 28:10
  I don't throw this thing out at you.
• 28:12
  It's a little bit, it's kind of it's similar in, but it's different.
• 28:17
  For example, you know, right now there is a bill that passed through the house to prevent human organ harvesting.
• 28:25
  Now that should be a no-brainer that you know, you you send over your details about your kidney, your heart, your liver, whatever, to place like communist China, and they'll kill someone to be able to fit the bill, you pay the money, you go and have the thing, you don't ask any questions.
• 28:42
  They can't get a bipartisan consensus for that bill in the Senate.
• 28:49
  That's unbelievable.
• 28:50
  How is that possible?
• 28:52
  And and when you think, and our good friend Eric Karen, he sent me another article that 40% of Congress are lawyers.
• 28:59
  So how can they support something that is not legal and still be in Congress?
• 29:05
  Why are you challenged?
• 29:08
  It's incredible because you know, it was funny.
• 29:11
  I was reading an article about a guy who said with the proliferation of mainstream press that people have uh more opportunity to be labeled as a Nazi.
• 29:24
  Okay.
• 29:25
  Right.
• 29:26
  Okay.
• 29:26
  And the thing of it is that's I guess I am.
• 29:30
  But but you think about it when they won't come to consensus on a bipartisan, you know, bill to stop organ harvesting that says the other person's life is not as valuable as yours.
• 29:46
  And oops, if we killed them and the organism match, we still have other people that we can use your organs.
• 29:51
  It's like human trafficking with children.
• 29:54
  We become desensitized to the real evil of a young life that's denied their future, their health, their opportunities to be able to exist.
• 30:08
  And and what we were talking about before, Lake and Riley, okay?
• 30:12
  I mean, that should be a standard right there.
• 30:15
  Okay, if there's a criminal in our country, they need to be gone.
• 30:19
  And just like my predators, if I could have shipped them out somewhere or had them taken anywhere else, that that would have been the best thing.
• 30:27
  It wouldn't have erased what happened, but at least my life would have been less health challenged, you know, less stress challenge, less everything, relationships, everything is affected uh with one act.
• 30:42
  And so uh when you talk about prevention and protection, yes, we have to protect.
• 30:46
  That is our duty.
• 30:47
  We're America.
• 30:48
  Okay, this is should have been the land of the free where everyone could come and speak their peace, but in the last four plus years, it's been a free-for-all where my view matters.
• 31:00
  And if your view doesn't match mine, then you're out of here.
• 31:03
  But how does that help us with the victims of human trafficking, sexual abuse, child abuse?
• 31:08
  Gayla, when they were discovering this connection to cancer, how did they how did they determine?
• 31:15
  I mean, was it just a like an explosion of numbers of people?
• 31:20
  As I understand it, the studies that um that came, uh I I sent you I some uh research that I did on the on different studies.
• 31:31
  I'm not exactly sure how that came about.
• 31:34
  Um I know that uh it made uh you know, to me, it makes a lot of sense.
• 31:39
  And I even asked Andy about this when as a child, uh, you know, do you think that that contributed to uh the health issues that you currently have today?
• 31:51
  Um so uh, you know, I I have to go back and look at that, honestly.
• 31:56
  I'll have to go do deeper research on that.
• 32:00
  It's pretty.
• 32:01
  And you're again nodding your head on that one, Andy, because you have talked to an awful lot of people that have suffered.
• 32:07
  Yes.
• 32:08
  Our kids that we rescued originally in Beulah's place before Voices, you know, was launched.
• 32:13
  Uh the 300 plus migraines, respiratory issues, uh, fortunately, no cancer.
• 32:20
  At that time, they were in the 18 and 21-year-old um age bracket, but constant illnesses, constantly in urgent care or ER because they didn't have a support system.
• 32:31
  And yet once we interceded and they got stable, they got their GED, they had jobs, some of them went to college, they were able, they had less illnesses as they created their new normal, right?
• 32:46
  But without that intercession, those victims out there don't have a chance.
• 32:50
  And it's it I have the baggy eye station.
• 32:53
  Well, not here, but I can show that every night I get this information, and I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, we have got to keep speaking, keep telling people the truth.
• 33:03
  And that's why the book, as you know, BQ was so important.
• 33:06
  19 different chapters from PTSD to the very first chapter by Dr.
• 33:11
  Lisa Noel Babbage, one of our charter members, about actually spotting a human trafficking situation in the airport and what she did about it.
• 33:20
  Everyone needs to read that chapter.
• 33:21
  It's worth it.
• 33:22
  Just that chapter.
• 33:24
  Yes.
• 33:24
  And so uh the prevention, the protection, um, and the prosecutors.
• 33:30
  We're not prosecuting.
• 33:31
  We have laws like federally, I believe it's one act could be charged with 20 years.
• 33:37
  Who's prosecuting at?
• 33:39
  What about the 40% lawyers that are in Congress?
• 33:41
  What are they doing?
• 33:43
  Well, so your thoughts, because you know, Gala, it is surprising that human rights, it seems in many cases has taken a back seat to a lot of political issues.
• 33:57
  And you know, you got left versus right, right versus left, and it seems like common sense and human rights, you know, we've just celebrated Martin Luther King Day, which was a brilliant experience.
• 34:09
  We finally we think we came through civil rights victorious.
• 34:13
  But human rights, civil rights, they're emerging again.
• 34:17
  It's like you need an underground railroad to save these people.
• 34:20
  Right.
• 34:21
  Well, one of the things that I uh recently uh found out, which was shocking to me, in this administration, human trafficking is not a an issue of can uh that's been brought out in concern.
• 34:36
  It was in the former administration, and I don't understand what that why that is, because that's my side, but I just uh you know it it uh how isn't how isn't it a prime issue?
• 34:51
  It has to be, especially when you start talking about all of these millions and millions of people that have been trafficked.
• 34:59
  Um, I I don't know how you make that become an issue, but I think it has to be.
• 35:05
  I think it had if if you have to write letters to um whomever arrange meetings, do whatever you have to do.
• 35:13
  But I think it has to be yeah, have a town hall and and and and give an awareness program, Gayla.
• 35:19
  I think that'd be great.
• 35:21
  Everything you're saying, because if we don't get people together virtually or in person, they just it's not on their list.
• 35:27
  They've got to go buy groceries, they've got to work, they've got you know, it's all the thing.
• 35:31
  But at the end of the day, I know people we know every four years, the White House changes usually.
• 35:39
  Right.
• 35:40
  So eight years.
• 35:41
  Okay, but no matter who is in that White House, that person has to leave the nation by saying this is wrong, okay, and definitely not be complicit in making the problem worse.
• 35:52
  And but I know so many people that hate the occupant of the White House that they will not even have.
• 36:00
  Help us rescue or support survivors and my.
• 36:05
  Part of it is because of what you're saying, though.
• 36:08
  The message gets messed up.
• 36:10
  Yes.
• 36:11
  Now we're we're we're we're taking people out because they don't belong here and they're illegal, or instead of understanding that the people that are being deported or being targeted, whether they're citizens, because we've got a lot of citizens that are doing this.
• 36:28
  Absolutely.
• 36:29
  And we don't care if they're what wherever they're from, if they're violating young people and or or you know, killing people because they're transporting them for human trafficking purposes, they're like slave traders.
• 36:44
  And yeah, but the media is responsible for that too.
• 36:48
  Yes, yes, very much.
• 36:51
  There are two parts of the media.
• 36:53
  There's the mainstream media that everybody listens to that has a tendency to skew information, and then there's the other media that people are not willing to believe because it's not what the main street media says.
• 37:08
  And uh it I mean, the whole thing is just so totally messed up right now.
• 37:13
  I can't believe it.
• 37:16
  Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 37:17
  That's okay, Annie, and that affects the national security.
• 37:20
  Right.
• 37:21
  Why we have to be voices of courage.
• 37:23
  Yeah, voices of courage, because there are going to be many people that want to speak out and try to help innocent victims, but they're afraid to.
• 37:31
  We're gonna take another little break here, and again, we we are not trying to target one side versus the other.
• 37:38
  That's not consideration.
• 37:41
  Don't care about that.
• 37:42
  We support bipartisan efforts.
• 37:45
  We just don't want victims of human trafficking to be brutalized and suffer.
• 37:50
  We're gonna talk a little bit more about that when we come back here on the National Security Hour.
• 37:56
  My wonderful guest Gayla Bynum, we will survive cancer, voices of trafficking, great founder and chairman Andy Berger, and your host here, Blanquita Cullum.
• 38:06
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• 39:54
  Human trafficking, man, cancer.
• 39:57
  What does that all have to do with national security?
• 40:00
  A couple of women that I'm talking to, brave women, really champions.
• 40:04
  We've got Andy Berger, who is the founder and the chairman, a survivor herself of human trafficking from the age of six months to 17 years old.
• 40:14
  We're going to be talking about this new book in a moment.
• 40:17
  Gayla Bynum knows everything about trying to survive cancer.
• 40:21
  She has an organization that we will survive cancer.
• 40:24
  Gayla, you're focusing a lot right now on this issue.
• 40:28
  Share with us your passion on this.
• 40:42
  Providing gifts, providing food, providing supplies.
• 40:46
  We helped uh Howard University Cancer Center form a food pantry during the pandemic, which we still not uh supply.
• 40:56
  And uh that was for the purpose of people not having to go that were in treatment, not having to go shop and uh uh in public places.
• 41:05
  So um I had a big birthday this year.
• 41:11
  This and I'm going into that birthday, reorganizing my cause.
• 41:17
  You're at 30.
• 41:18
  You're 30 years old.
• 41:19
  I know.
• 41:21
  So uh I don't want to be just known for the person that provides gifts or supplies.
• 41:28
  I want to do something that's that's impactful.
• 41:31
  And uh I just retired uh retired uh from the government at the end of December.
• 41:38
  So recalling this issue of the correlation of human trafficking and cancer has kind of hit me.
• 41:47
  And uh so and unfortunately, you all uh accepted me in as a charter member of voices against trafficking, and I'm so grateful for that.
• 41:56
  I really want to make sure that I participate more than I've been able to.
• 42:01
  But um, I mentioned to you that I would love to have a seminar on this uh topic, and not just a Zoom call, not just something, but bringing people together, the government, government officials, business people, medical professionals, and discussing the correlation of cancer and trauma and how it affects you and uh you know human trafficking in your life as you as you get to be older.
• 42:31
  I so I that you know, to me that uh I I like I said, I don't want to just be known for giving gifts and um and special events.
• 42:42
  Well, giving gifts in a different way.
• 42:44
  Yeah, the the ability to be empowered to understand the issue, to hear people that are making a difference, to talk to some of the folks that are survivors.
• 42:54
  I never would have known about this issue if I hadn't been a radio broadcaster.
• 42:59
  And that's how I met Andy, who, you know, I like you, I had solid parents, they were great.
• 43:05
  And Andy, here's Andy on the show, telling me about her journey.
• 43:09
  And honestly, Andy, I thought to myself, how could I have been so unaware with all the years I've been in the business to this issue of human trafficking that is everywhere?
• 43:21
  You think about special events, right?
• 43:26
  You know, any kind of global event, sporting event, entertainment event.
• 43:30
  There's always some element of human trafficking going on.
• 43:34
  Andy, and you uh, I guess uh you were patient with both of us.
• 43:38
  We were both kind of surprised.
• 43:41
  There is no patience.
• 43:42
  It's just this is what I'm here for.
• 43:44
  This is my calling.
• 43:45
  It was since I was five years old when you know, God saved me from committing my suicide, you know, because things are so bad.
• 43:52
  This is to help people be a voice.
• 43:54
  And if I can use my voice to inspire voices, look what you ladies have done.
• 43:57
  It's been amazing.
• 43:58
  And Gala, you know, we
• 44:00
  We knew you were special and now you just have time to be more special.
• 44:04
  Um but but going back to uh a lot of people, this isn't table uh coffee table conversation.
• 44:11
  Nobody just starts this up, you know, over Sunday dinner unless they have a reason to.
• 44:16
  And so part of what I believe, like our books and magazines, everything we do is truth and hope.
• 44:23
  Well, we've got we've got a couple of books in the Library of Congress.
• 44:26
  Give us some details on the brand new book.
• 44:29
  Sure.
• 44:29
  Voices against trafficking courage is contagious, is our new book.
• 44:33
  Just had a big launch.
• 44:34
  Uh, we have ebook and print versions, Amazon.com, Barnes Noble.com, your favorite bookstore, go ask for it because this has 19 short chapters.
• 44:44
  You don't have to read the whole thing at one time.
• 44:46
  But this is the awareness book.
• 44:48
  This is a gift of awareness to you, your friends, your colleagues, your church, your your social groups.
• 44:55
  Everyone needs to read this book because we have perspectives from media.
• 45:00
  We have perspectives from the aha moment that somebody realized, like you ladies so kindly said, Oh my gosh, this is out there, right?
• 45:08
  What do I do?
• 45:09
  And we have the helplines and hotlines, and we have all kinds of information in there.
• 45:14
  Uh, we have, you know, how how you know, just a few seconds can change your life and someone else's life.
• 45:19
  But this gift of uh awareness, as we call it, voices against trafficking, courage is contagious, truly is the first step to prevention.
• 45:29
  And let's talk let's talk prevention too, because Andy, yes, that's some very good tips.
• 45:34
  And I think it's important for anybody that listens to this show.
• 45:38
  If they've got children or grandchildren or nieces and nephews, uh, we've talked about safe words, we've talked about some ideas.
• 45:45
  Share with them some tips.
• 45:46
  Sure.
• 45:47
  One of the easiest things to do, but sometimes it gets a little discombubulated because of the lack of understanding is that safe word or safe phrase, as you mentioned, every family needs to have it for their immediate unit, whether it's mom, dad, kids, or aunt kids, you know, whatever it is.
• 46:03
  And it has to be something generic because if a predator does grab your teen, your college student, your young child, uh, you don't want them to see something that tells them, oh, they already called for help, uh, because that that would be very dangerous for that child or that person.
• 46:18
  So pizza or balloons, get the balloons, whatever that word is.
• 46:22
  If your child, teen, or college student texts you text that to you, then you know they're in trouble.
• 46:28
  And even a name, like you know, in our family, we use the name of a deceased relative.
• 46:34
  There you go.
• 46:34
  That's perfect.
• 46:36
  And they know that that person didn't say hello because they're dead.
• 46:40
  Exactly.
• 46:41
  So something that is common, but not, you know, uh, not something that a predator would pick up on.
• 46:47
  The other part is for the older ones for the college age, because we know on the college campus right now, females 18 to 24, that's the most dangerous place for them.
• 46:56
  Uh, there are recruiters that are college kids looking for other college kids to bring into a trafficking ring or to sell.
• 47:04
  So they need to have maybe their own peer-to-peer word or phrase like smokies, maybe it's a bar or something.
• 47:10
  Who knows?
• 47:11
  You know, but they need to have their own word because at that age they're more likely to tell a peer something than they are to tell an authority figure, whether it's a parent or actually law enforcement.
• 47:22
  So those simple things.
• 47:23
  Vet out your babysitters, vet out the people that are in charge of your children at the daycare center or the person that checks in on your your preteen.
• 47:32
  They're so vulnerable at that age to the internet stuff, to gaming.
• 47:36
  We need to be more diligent.
• 47:38
  Well, you know, it's so funny.
• 47:40
  My mother, my wonderful Mexican mother, say, and my father, they were wonderful.
• 47:45
  And they'd say things like, Well, okay, I want to go spend the night at somebody's house.
• 47:48
  And my mother'd say, Well, do they have brothers?
• 47:50
  What's it like?
• 47:52
  And and she'd say, now listen, and my father would say this don't worry.
• 47:56
  If you got to call us at three in the morning and you're not happy.
• 48:00
  We'll come get you.
• 48:01
  And you know, don't worry about it.
• 48:03
  We'll pick you up.
• 48:04
  I only had one time I had to do that.
• 48:06
  And I told my kids the same thing.
• 48:09
  Because I think kids are embarrassed to have to do that.
• 48:13
  But the fact of the matter, later on you think about it, thank God they were so rigid.
• 48:18
  They just won't let me and they'd say, Well, let me go meet their parents.
• 48:21
  I want to meet their parents before you go over there.
• 48:24
  And right now, I guess we we get a little bit, you know, well, they seem like they're good.
• 48:29
  Just let them go and they'll be okay.
• 48:31
  They're old enough, right?
• 48:33
  And Galen, you know, the other things that that you talk about with your daughter in law, that was shocking that they waited so long.
• 48:43
  Uh, it was.
• 48:44
  I don't know.
• 48:45
  Uh I have my thoughts about cancer and treatment and everything.
• 48:50
  But any recommendations that you could recommend to people.
• 48:54
  Well, never just take one opinion.
• 48:57
  You know, I don't know how much you trust that doctor that he's been in uh your doctor for your entire life.
• 49:05
  And yeah, you know, he gives you information and you don't believe that's you know, it doesn't sound right.
• 49:12
  Go find another opinion or go find two or three other opinions.
• 49:16
  And and um, yeah, in Michelle's case, she had a lump in her breast and had was pregnant, and uh the doc, you know, her doctor was like, No, don't worry about it, you're too young.
• 49:30
  The uh, you know, and by the time that they finally gave her a prescription, she was 13 months, uh, Reed was 13 months old.
• 49:39
  And the last thing the doctor said to her was, You have you're driving me crazy asking me about this.
• 49:45
  We're going to give you a prescription for a mammogram, but the text will laugh, you're too young.
• 49:51
  And when she was diagnosed with advanced stage three cancer, believe me, nobody was laughing.
• 49:57
  Yeah, that's criminal.
• 49:59
  That is criminal.
• 50:00
  I know.
• 50:01
  And I and I told her, I said, Why don't you sue this doctor?
• 50:04
  And she said, Because mom, I'm trying to, I'm fighting for my life right now.
• 50:08
  And I said, even if you don't want money to do something to prevent him from being able to do the same thing to somebody else, have his license removed, whatever.
• 50:19
  I don't know, but but yeah, it was trying, it was tragic.
• 50:23
  But it's okay that what you're it's important to challenge them for the to save your life.
• 50:28
  Right.
• 50:28
  Because a lot of time you have to be your own advocate.
• 50:31
  You do.
• 50:31
  Some people you were she was very lucky to have you.
• 50:35
  But even in the case of people that have been trafficked and they're suffering.
• 50:39
  I mean, Andy, you had to be your own advocate many, many times.
• 50:42
  Absolutely.
• 50:43
  Took decades to learn how to fight for myself.
• 50:45
  And even now, like with the shoulder situation I have, I'm still fighting to find somebody that will correct the error that was made.
• 50:52
  And so, but a lot of people don't know how to advocate, and especially if they've had any kind of domestic violence or abuse in their life.
• 51:00
  Um, it's very they're timid.
• 51:01
  People, I know I I used to be okay, I just won't say anything, right?
• 51:05
  Because it's easier.
• 51:06
  Uh, but at the end of the day, if we don't fight for ourselves, how do we learn to fight for our children, for our nieces, our nephews, you know, our sisters or brothers.
• 51:15
  Now I'm gonna talk to us a little bit here on this, Andy, because we have many great people in voices against trafficking.org.
• 51:24
  They can go or dot com, go to the go to the go to the site, and they'll see some more folks that are friends like the airline ambassadors who've been pretty brave and they've spotted, they've they've caught people on, and they've been, you know, not designated by the airlines, but joined together by themselves to be able to help victims that they saw were being trafficked.
• 51:48
  Yes, some more incredible stories that you have that you want to share, because ultimately, you know, a child's security, a victim security affects our national security.
• 51:59
  When America
• 52:00
  It can't be good and protecting its own and especially its innocent victims, we suffer.
• 52:07
  Absolutely, because think about a wheel.
• 52:10
  If you have the wheel, the let the rubber, but no spokes, right?
• 52:14
  Because they're all broken.
• 52:16
  You're not going to go anywhere.
• 52:17
  So if our country is, you know, the wheel and we're the hub.
• 52:20
  Every time someone is violated, every some time somebody is abused, every time somebody um is affected by a crime, that takes a little chunk out of that person, out of that community, even if the community doesn't realize it, because uh we we are walking wounded in this nation and all around the world, actually.
• 52:42
  But let's just talk about the US.
• 52:44
  So if we have so many wounded people and nobody addressing it, nobody taking care of it, then how do we heal?
• 52:51
  How do we become stronger?
• 52:53
  You know, how do we collectively be that strength so that the next generation doesn't have to do what we've had to gone through?
• 53:02
  Maybe what we consider here as I'm listening to you ladies speak, you know, getting to know uh the members of the Congress that were your own member from your own area, your mayor, your city council, maybe going to the city council meetings, the school board meetings if you have young kids that are in school, and learning how to be able to communicate in a way that is more diplomatic but effective and trying to deal with it because now we have people that don't feel like they have to communicate in a diplomatic way, they just are gonna burn things down, protest and not make a difference, they're just gonna do it.
• 53:43
  But the bottom line is who ultimately is served and who is not served.
• 53:50
  Um, yeah, people don't want to have federal law enforcement in their cities, but they also don't want to have drug dealers in their cities and human traffickers in their cities.
• 53:59
  How do we establish some sort of diplomatic understanding that goes beyond this political partisanship that has become absolutely outrageous?
• 54:08
  Your thoughts on that one, Kayla.
• 54:11
  That's a really interesting question, because uh in my opinion, the world is totally upside down right now, and uh the the people that are in Congress on both sides.
• 54:25
  I the you know, they're they're one side is concerned with prosecuting the president and and the administration, the other side is uh concerned with protecting what we have in this country, and they I don't uh you know, I was part of the government shutdown in uh in uh this in the fall, and that that whole thing was so totally ridiculous, you know, it was political and it should have never been that way.
• 54:55
  Yeah, uh I'm lucky that you know you you when you survive, but I don't know.
• 55:00
  I I used to do fundraising events on Capitol Hill back in the the late 80s and early 90s, and I was friendly with a lot of different members of Congress on both sides.
• 55:11
  I did things on both sides of the aisle, those people are either dead or they're gone or whatever, and I don't see that same camaraderie anymore.
• 55:21
  I don't need I wouldn't even know who to approach right now.
• 55:25
  Andy, we we started voices and we had members of Congress from both sides of the aisle that welcomed us right there in the Congress for our first attempt.
• 55:35
  Absolutely, yes, you were there.
• 55:40
  And you're right, some have retired, some aren't there.
• 55:43
  Thankfully, they're all still breathing, but right some of them aren't there, but we have to reignite those.
• 55:49
  Uh, you know, we have to invite and reignite.
• 55:51
  Okay.
• 55:52
  So I invite them into the positivity part of doing this.
• 55:56
  And with midterms, I've told, I think the last six interviews I've done, I've said.
• 56:00
  Hey, before you vote, before you give money to anybody, uh, you know, for a candidacy, you need to find out what have they done for your children?
• 56:08
  What have they done for the safety of your community?
• 56:10
  What have they done about human trafficking?
• 56:12
  If they can't show you they've done anything, then it's not important to them.
• 56:16
  And if they've done it in order to get voted for, then that's definitely not the candidate you want either.
• 56:22
  So we need to hold them accountable for their actions, not just what they say.
• 56:27
  And I'm gonna hold you accountable for telling people how they can get the book is this has gone by so quickly.
• 56:34
  My goodness.
• 56:35
  Okay.
• 56:36
  All right.
• 56:36
  Voices against trafficking, courage is contagious.
• 56:39
  You're gonna want this for your personal library and your friends and people that need to be aware, get the truth, get the hope.
• 56:45
  Whether it's Amazon.com, Barnes and Noble.com, your favorite bookstore, go in, ask for it, make them order it for you.
• 56:52
  You definitely want this book.
• 56:53
  Voices against trafficking, courage is contagious.
• 56:56
  So let's be contagious with each other.
• 56:58
  And Gala, how do they go to We Will Survive Cancer?
• 57:01
  Is there a website for that?
• 57:02
  Yes, uh, it's uh We Will Survive Cancer.org.
• 57:06
  And uh we do have two books, Don't Waste My Cancer, Volume One and Two, and which is a compilation of stories of cancer patients.
• 57:16
  And my my next thought is to do a book on the correlation of human trafficking and cancer.
• 57:25
  Well, we'll look forward to that.
• 57:26
  I can't believe we're out of time.
• 57:28
  I love you both so much.
• 57:29
  I'm proud to be friends with you and honored that you're on the program.
• 57:33
  And for those of you out there, be safe.
• 57:35
  And I want to thank my neighbors that dug me out.
• 57:37
  I know you guys have had a lot of snow too in DC.
• 57:40
  I couldn't get out the front door thanks to my wonderful neighbors.
• 57:43
  And God bless you all.
• 57:44
  We'll talk next week.
• 57:46
  This is the little security hour.
• 57:48
  Thank you, Andy Berger, Gayla Bynum, and thank you, my friends.