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7/9/26: Iran Hits US Bases, Trump Says US Should Finish The Job, Platner Drops Out Of Maine Senate Race · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: All Right, So let's get to what we're going to
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Speaker 3: cover in the show. We're going to start with some
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Speaker 3: new American strikes on Iran. Largely these strikes are concentrated
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Speaker 3: in the straight of Horn moves. However, Iran late last
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Speaker 3: night struck back against multiple US bases, huge censorship coming
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Speaker 3: out of the region. We don't have perfect video, but
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Speaker 3: we're going to show you a little bit of what
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Speaker 3: we have. Meanwhile, the price of oil continuing to spike,
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Speaker 3: the strategic Petroleum Reserve at very very critical levels.
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Speaker 4: Platner, we're going to talk about that.
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Speaker 3: can't just be you know, censoring ourselves.
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Speaker 1: Same with war footage.
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Speaker 3: It happens all the time, many times that we would
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Speaker 3: unfortunately it's a lot of babies. Yes, they're being killed.
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Speaker 3: Somebody's got to say it. So anyway, that's why we
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Speaker 3: have our business design the way that it is. But
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Speaker 3: as Ryan said, let's go ahead and start with Iran.
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Speaker 3: We're going to put this video up here on the
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Speaker 3: screen and I'll just show you a little bit of
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Speaker 3: what US Central Command has released as of last night.
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Speaker 3: So what you guys can see in front of you
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Speaker 3: was accompanied by this Sentcom statement. US Central Command has
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Speaker 3: completed an additional round of strikes against Iran to further
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Speaker 3: degrade Iran's ability to attack commercial shipping and innocent civilian
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Speaker 3: mariners in the Strait of Mourmus.
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Speaker 1: Quote.
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Speaker 3: US forces struck approximately ninety Iranian military targets, including air
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Speaker 3: defense systems, coastal surveillance systems, missile and drone storage sites,
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Speaker 3: naval capabilities, and military logistics. So all of this is
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Speaker 3: now dozens of targets struck last night, dozens of targets
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Speaker 3: struck the night before. Now let's take a look here
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Speaker 3: at the Iranian retaliatory strikes. So here's what we seem
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Speaker 3: to have seemed to have been targeted. According to the Iranians,
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Speaker 3: the footage in front of you was all released by them.
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Speaker 3: So according to the Iranian military, they released a they
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Speaker 3: targeted a Patriot missile system in Kuwait, an early warning
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Speaker 3: satellite and tennis site in Qatar, a fuel storage facility
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Speaker 3: site for the US military in Bahrain. And the IRGC
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Speaker 3: said that they also struck key infrastructure facilities at Airfon
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Speaker 3: Base in Kuwait, Ali Salan Base in Kuwait, US Navy's
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Speaker 3: fifth flight in base in Bahrain, and the Sheik Esa
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Speaker 3: Base in Bahrain. It's a couple of notworthy things here,
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Speaker 3: Ryan Number one, No. UAE here on the lad Ua
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Speaker 3: took a huge pounding. Now, remember there's some back deals
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Speaker 3: going on between you and the UA. Some money might
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Speaker 3: have exchanged hands, be like, hey, in the future, don't
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Speaker 3: hit us.
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Speaker 1: Here's a few billion you.
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Speaker 5: Know, it's like and the only thing hit and cutter
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Speaker 5: is this early warning satellite antenna site, which is squarely
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Speaker 5: like a US military exactly like piece of material, which
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Speaker 5: is much different than like hitting Doha or something.
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Speaker 3: Well, part of the reason why there was some there
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Speaker 3: was a lot of bated breath as of last night
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Speaker 3: when I went to bed, was because we knew not
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Speaker 3: only would you struck military sites in Iran, but a
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Speaker 3: couple key railways actually were hit by the United States military.
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Speaker 3: So civilian infrastructure obviously the military can use it too,
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Speaker 3: but Iran previously has always relied on the horizontal escalation,
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Speaker 3: hitting civilian infrastructure in return for hitting civilian infrastructure. So
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Speaker 3: people still are really in this. You know, Look, we're
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Speaker 3: just in the craziest limbo of all time. We're in
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Speaker 3: a cease fire where the fire has not ceased, and
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Speaker 3: it's like we are in a memorandum of understanding where
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Speaker 3: there's no understand Like we are in a peace process
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Speaker 3: where there's no peace.
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Speaker 1: We have no peace, no war.
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Speaker 3: Really, it's like the ground where the Americans side seems
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Speaker 3: to have been very comfortable. But the part of the
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Speaker 3: problem and why it just to me is totally inevitable
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Speaker 3: the things will shift, is that is always going to
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Speaker 3: be on our side. As the Vice President said, less
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Speaker 3: fire means we restock, we need to fill up the
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Speaker 3: strategic patrol and reserve, we get more oil flowing, the
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Speaker 3: price is down. I mean, you know, let's be honest,
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Speaker 3: most Americans, to the extent that they're paying a lot
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Speaker 3: of attentions when gases at four fifty starts to get
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Speaker 3: around three fifty, They're like, all right, you know it's high,
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Speaker 3: but it's not that high, right, and so people kind
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Speaker 3: of move on with it. I got summer vacation plans,
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Speaker 3: those types of things. But this is exactly the type
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Speaker 3: of thing which could jolt it right back into reality.
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Speaker 3: And Trump is now really I mean, he's right back
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Speaker 3: to where he was before.
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Speaker 5: And yeah, he might be making the exact same mistake
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Speaker 5: as he made last time when he started this war,
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Speaker 5: which is we're going to hit him for three days
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Speaker 5: and then they're going to come back to the table
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Speaker 5: with whoever we didn't kill, and we're negotiate a better.
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Speaker 4: Deal with them instead.
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Speaker 5: They didn't listen when Iran said, no, we're going to
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Speaker 5: significantly retaliate and create a regional war. This time around,
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Speaker 5: they're saying they're going to significantly retaliate, and they're not
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Speaker 5: and they're not going.
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Speaker 4: To tolerate this like tit for tat stuff.
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Speaker 5: So we'll see if they once again live up to
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Speaker 5: their threats. But so far they have, you know, reached
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Speaker 5: significant damage across the region.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so here is Trump saying, you know, Iran is
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Speaker 3: now the number one target. We've got to finish the job.
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Speaker 3: We've got to force open the straight up our moves.
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Speaker 4: Let's take a.
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Speaker 6: Listen, everything's gone. The leaders are gone. The leaders they're gone,
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Speaker 6: and they had another set of leaders. They're gone. Now
9:37
Speaker 6: they have another set of leaders. They may be gone,
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Speaker 6: who knows. And you know what I may be gone
9:43
Speaker 6: to because I'm the number one target. I got to
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Speaker 6: know them, and I'm not sure I want to make
9:48
Speaker 6: a deal with them. We can play games, but I'm
9:50
Speaker 6: not sure I want to make it deal. Let's just
9:52
Speaker 6: finish the job. Anything that happens is going to be
9:54
Speaker 6: over very quickly, and we'll only and we'll only make
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Speaker 6: it safer, including for oil. Oil is going to be
10:01
Speaker 6: very free, very easy, and it's going to happen very fast.
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Speaker 6: We have the Harmo Street, the boats have pulled out.
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Speaker 6: I mean, there's a gusher of oil right now. We
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Speaker 6: have a lot of oil. And no, anything that happens
10:16
Speaker 6: is going to happen very fast.
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Speaker 3: Anything that's going to happen is going to happen. Sure
10:20
Speaker 3: that's only on your side. It doesn't necessarily mean on
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Speaker 3: the Iranian side. Here is Trump also saying that he
10:27
Speaker 3: may reimpose the blockade.
10:28
Speaker 4: Let's take a listener as.
10:30
Speaker 6: To whether or not Steve Whitcoff, Jared and j D
10:34
Speaker 6: and everybody.
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Speaker 7: Working and that will talk. I guess they could talk.
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Speaker 7: But I'm not seeing it with them, you know, with
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Speaker 7: the people. My whole life is deal. So I don't
10:42
Speaker 7: see it. I don't see it with them.
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Speaker 6: And that may be.
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Speaker 7: A big attack, and it will knock out a lot
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Speaker 7: of stuff. We don't knock out nothing. We knock out
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Speaker 7: a lot. Pete, do you want to tell him about lessoning?
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Speaker 8: Yes, sir as you said, a lot of small craft
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Speaker 8: that they were trying to harass shipping with. So that
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Speaker 8: was a big part of what we targeted.
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Speaker 3: Underground facilities where they were restoring drones or missiles, coastal
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Speaker 3: defense sites, radar sites, surveillance sites, anything used to harass
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Speaker 3: shipping in the straight of horror moves.
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Speaker 1: So anything they thought they had rebuilt their capability they.
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Speaker 4: Were using was a target last night and tonight.
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Speaker 2: If we need to, on your order, mister President, we
11:25
Speaker 2: will hit even more and even deeper, because that's the
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Speaker 2: cops go.
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Speaker 6: We may put down to the blockade.
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Speaker 1: We may put it back at the blockade.
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Speaker 4: A five.
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Speaker 1: Please with some vo we can show all of you here.
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Speaker 3: The US Central Command released this yesterday, saying today more
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Speaker 3: than twenty US Navy warships are patrolling waters across the
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Speaker 3: Middle East. Scent Com forces continued promoting regional security and stability.
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Speaker 3: Last month, the US Naval warships and aircraft transited the
11:51
Speaker 3: Arabian Sea in a close formation, demonstrating unmatched military strength
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Speaker 3: and firepower. So look very obvious signaling which is happening here,
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Speaker 3: and it's like a straight propaganda you know video about
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Speaker 3: the blockade. But I mean, we're really just right back
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Speaker 3: to where we started before the ceasefire, aren't we?
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Speaker 1: Ryan? And I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I mean, we didn't want to let Iran implement.
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Speaker 3: Yes, their their passage system for free, Yeah, for free,
12:19
Speaker 3: but they said you have to coordinate with us. I
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Speaker 3: really don't know where we go from here. And to
12:23
Speaker 3: be honest, I'm a little mystified with the Iranians. They
12:26
Speaker 3: talk a big game, but you know, everything right now
12:28
Speaker 3: is horizontal, and I wonder, I mean, why are they
12:31
Speaker 3: also so content with the status quo because it's not
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Speaker 3: like they're getting to sell that much oil. They did
12:37
Speaker 3: take a ton of damage, I mean hundreds of billions
12:39
Speaker 3: of dollars in damage. I guess the regime is doing
12:42
Speaker 3: fine internally, but you know, eventually you start paying bills,
12:44
Speaker 3: people of normal life and all of that does have
12:46
Speaker 3: to resume.
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Speaker 5: We're setting sanctions relief for the that's which they well,
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Speaker 5: they thought they were going to get that, but then
12:51
Speaker 5: America just took it away.
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Speaker 3: As of two days ago, I would have expected a
12:55
Speaker 3: resumption of full on war now. One potential explanation for
12:59
Speaker 3: that is that while US sanctions may be in place,
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Speaker 3: is that a whole other golf countries. Everybody sat in rooms.
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Speaker 3: Now hands have been shaked. Everybody's kind of had mutual understandings.
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Speaker 3: Maybe there's a hell of a lot of money moving
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Speaker 3: across different banks in China or out or bitcoin or
13:17
Speaker 3: any of these other places where everyone's just paying them off,
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Speaker 3: but nobody really knows about it right now. And that's
13:22
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why the Iranians aren't actually still
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Speaker 3: going forward.
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Speaker 4: We might just live in this limbo. But it's nonetheless to.
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Speaker 3: Say, like limbo is still really bad, Like it's not
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Speaker 3: as bad as a full on war, but it's still bad.
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Speaker 1: It's bad.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yes, And the oil markets which had been recovering
13:38
Speaker 5: as money was coming out and put up base seven
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Speaker 5: and now they're all they're going hey wire again.
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Speaker 4: And we mentioned on that you can put up base seven.
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Speaker 4: We put We mentioned the.
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Speaker 5: Show yesterday that I think we were down to about
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Speaker 5: ninety million barrels. Yeah, in our petroleum strategic reserve. That
13:54
Speaker 5: is very very little, considering just last week we released
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Speaker 5: on an emergency basis an additional six and that's even
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Speaker 5: as we had significant flow coming out of the Strait
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Speaker 5: of Hormuz. So now we're basically shutting down the Strait
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Speaker 5: of Hormuz again, as as long as we're doing active
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Speaker 5: combat with Iran and we're down to ninety million barrels,
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Speaker 5: and that's with inventories low across the board as well, so.
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Speaker 4: There's no room to give.
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Speaker 5: When Trump said I had to reach a deal because
14:29
Speaker 5: there would be havoc and I would become Hoover if
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Speaker 5: I didn't, he was reflecting objective reality. He doesn't like
14:38
Speaker 5: the reality, so now he's pushing against it. And how
14:43
Speaker 5: far he pushes against the reality remains to be seen.
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Speaker 4: But that reality is still there.
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Speaker 5: So he's either going to get havoc and Hoover or
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Speaker 5: he's going to go He's going to have to go
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Speaker 5: back to capitulation and acknowledging that Iran controls the Strait
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Speaker 5: of Hormos or complete in total civilizational annihilation of Iran. Now,
15:03
Speaker 5: treat a parsy. You can put up a eight has
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Speaker 5: been arguing. You know that they're you know that there's
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Speaker 5: still a way that you can get back into this,
15:13
Speaker 5: and it's you know, effectively, you have to seed some
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Speaker 5: ground here, like Iran controls the Strait of Hormoves with
15:21
Speaker 5: Oman right and who cares cares?
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Speaker 4: Like if they're letting the ships go through.
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Speaker 3: If the ships go through and you got to pay
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Speaker 3: a little fake environmental fee, that still seems like a
15:32
Speaker 3: lot better.
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Speaker 5: Than I pay all kinds of fake fees before the
15:35
Speaker 5: gas goes into the car.
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Speaker 4: I drove from here to Maine cost me one hundred
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Speaker 4: and ten dollars in tolls.
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Speaker 3: You don't even know where the ship ship here, there
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Speaker 3: and everywhere. Most of it goes to some corrupt guy
15:44
Speaker 3: in New Jersey. You know, it's like, it is what
15:46
Speaker 3: it is. It happens, all right, Let's put a seven,
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Speaker 3: you know, to your point up here on the screen.
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Speaker 3: How the oil market calm is shattered by all of
15:55
Speaker 3: these fresh hostilits. We're not exaggerating, and it's still it's
15:57
Speaker 3: like eighty dollars a barrel or something like that. But
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Speaker 3: that is still the highest level that it's been actually
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Speaker 3: in weeks. And the quote chief investment officer of a
16:05
Speaker 3: major financial services firm A based in Houston says, the
16:08
Speaker 3: honeymoon phase is over and we're just being reminded this
16:11
Speaker 3: is an active conflict. It is a reminder just generally
16:14
Speaker 3: that gas, as I said earlier, three eighty four gallon
16:18
Speaker 3: nationally I mean it's high, like it's still a ride
16:21
Speaker 3: around near four dollars a gallon, California five thirty eight,
16:26
Speaker 3: the entire West coast still in the five dollars range.
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Speaker 3: Some cheap gas in Texas and other places three forty one,
16:32
Speaker 3: but that's still a full dollar above where it is earlier.
16:36
Speaker 3: And get you know, diesel is still around four eighty
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Speaker 3: a gallon. So yeah, it's not the five to eighty
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Speaker 3: that it was, but it's still significant, I think in
16:43
Speaker 3: terms of the overall transit costs that continues. It's a
16:46
Speaker 3: transit tax on all Americans.
16:47
Speaker 5: And speaking of your populist buddy, Abdullah said, you know,
16:50
Speaker 5: he has foreshadowed that went if he challenged, if he
16:54
Speaker 5: wins the nomination goes up against Mike Rodgers, he's planning
16:56
Speaker 5: on calling him five dollar Rogers the entire campaign and
17:00
Speaker 5: pinning his hawkishness to the five dollar gas that people
17:03
Speaker 5: are going to be paying. Yeah, Trump is flirting with
17:06
Speaker 5: pushing five dollar rogers into literal reality.
17:10
Speaker 4: He said.
17:11
Speaker 5: It also has a bribery connotation that he'll do anything
17:13
Speaker 5: for five bucks. But because we're now in July, right,
17:19
Speaker 5: we're not talking February anymore. The elections are in just
17:23
Speaker 5: a couple of months. And if he continues, if he
17:27
Speaker 5: insists on pushing this war forward, we are going to
17:29
Speaker 5: be talking about five dollar rogers all over the country.
17:32
Speaker 3: I think what's unfortunate is we all know he won't invade.
17:35
Speaker 3: We all know he's not going to take over carg Island.
17:37
Speaker 4: We all know that.
17:38
Speaker 1: But we do know.
17:39
Speaker 3: What we do know is that he's going to live
17:42
Speaker 3: in this weird gray area which is extremely which is bad,
17:48
Speaker 3: but not extremely bad.
17:50
Speaker 1: It's just at that three eighty gallon, it's a couple strikes.
17:53
Speaker 3: You know, markets go down as long as AI continues
17:55
Speaker 3: to fuel our stock marketing. I just think there's no
17:58
Speaker 3: forcing mechanism right now to actually end all of this nonsense.
18:02
Speaker 3: And that's actually the most dangerous part. And you know
18:04
Speaker 3: I've been trying to get more Ukraine stuff in here.
18:06
Speaker 3: Let's put a nine up here on the screen. This
18:08
Speaker 3: just shows to me the sheer arrogance and delusion really
18:11
Speaker 3: of Trump where he says he supports now the Ukrainian
18:14
Speaker 3: long range strikes deep inside of Russia. This was paired
18:18
Speaker 3: with two things, so not only do so what he's
18:21
Speaker 3: basically saying is Ukraine you take all your drones, fire
18:26
Speaker 3: them deep in there as long as you possibly want.
18:28
Speaker 4: Well, what's the risk of that.
18:30
Speaker 3: What's currently happening right now, which is the Ukrainians will
18:34
Speaker 3: even acknowledge their long range strikes are being met with
18:37
Speaker 3: the heaviest ballistic missile attacks of all time on the
18:41
Speaker 3: city of Kiev and all over the country. Why are
18:44
Speaker 3: they doing that, because that's the only advantage that Russia has.
18:47
Speaker 4: Well.
18:47
Speaker 3: Trump also said yesterday, Oh, we're going to give Ukraine
18:50
Speaker 3: a license to build patriots. Yeah.
18:52
Speaker 4: Good. We can't even build our own patriots.
18:54
Speaker 3: You're going to build them in a war torn zone
18:57
Speaker 3: or going to outsources to Germany or whatever.
18:59
Speaker 1: This is all spreadsheet warfare, like, it's not how it works.
19:04
Speaker 5: Right, And they're also they're getting hit today, yes, today,
19:08
Speaker 5: five years last week there were two ballistic missile attacks
19:11
Speaker 5: from Russia on Ki that killed thirty plus people like
19:14
Speaker 5: each time, because the ballistic missile interceptor stockpile of Ukraine
19:18
Speaker 5: has Yeah, I think they intercepted zero ballistic missiles the
19:21
Speaker 5: first time in the last attack. And Ukraine has been
19:24
Speaker 5: consistently complaining that we're used that we've used multiple times
19:29
Speaker 5: as many ballistic missile interceptors for Israel and for American
19:33
Speaker 5: ships in Iran, as it's been used in the entire
19:36
Speaker 5: war between Russia and Ukraine, which yeah, which is true.
19:40
Speaker 4: You know, things have costs, And if we had.
19:43
Speaker 5: Ended the war in Ukraine years ago, they have more
19:46
Speaker 5: bistic missile interceptors for somewhere else.
19:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is kind of well, the reason I'm
19:49
Speaker 3: bringing it into to this is a show. So if
19:51
Speaker 3: you're some you know, pro Ukraine head who's watching this,
19:54
Speaker 3: you should be furious because we just blew the whole
19:56
Speaker 3: We don't even have it. If you wanted to help you,
19:58
Speaker 3: you can't. There's nothing left. Anything that's not nailed down
20:01
Speaker 3: is gone.
20:02
Speaker 4: It's gone.
20:03
Speaker 3: It will take years to replace. And so yeah, oh
20:06
Speaker 3: you want to help Ukraine, that's cute. We literally can't.
20:08
Speaker 3: So this shows you the problem with this endless war ideology,
20:12
Speaker 3: especially now where America has transitioned to we have no
20:15
Speaker 3: boots on the ground, which throw a bunch of missiles
20:17
Speaker 3: out into the air. Everybody thinks it's costless. It's costless
20:20
Speaker 3: to the cost and that the cost is being shown
20:22
Speaker 3: in Ukraine. The cost is shown to our bases and
20:25
Speaker 3: to basically the massive strategic humiliation failure that we took
20:29
Speaker 3: in Iran and also in the future, like if there's
20:32
Speaker 3: a conflict which will arise in the next two to
20:34
Speaker 3: three years, it's over. It's actually over, like it will
20:37
Speaker 3: really basically our stockpile will go to zero in third
20:41
Speaker 3: if Iran can deplete the stockpile by forty fifty percent
20:45
Speaker 3: something like that, depending on which stockpile you're looking at.
20:47
Speaker 3: For the weapon system. In thirty seven days, what's China
20:50
Speaker 3: going to do five days two? I mean, you know,
20:53
Speaker 3: and you start rationing.
20:55
Speaker 4: That's bad.
20:56
Speaker 1: We start rationing. That's what happens in Ukraine.
20:58
Speaker 3: People die, right, It's a death panel, said, literally, a
21:00
Speaker 3: death panel every day.
21:01
Speaker 5: And let's finish with a little bit of fun at
21:03
Speaker 5: the expense of our many. It's tough because like you know,
21:08
Speaker 5: he's flying around the world, he's a very old man.
21:11
Speaker 4: We can still have some fun.
21:12
Speaker 5: Let's put put up a for the Islamic.
21:15
Speaker 4: Republic of Japan, et cetera. A four one hundred.
21:19
Speaker 8: I told this story yesterday.
21:20
Speaker 6: We had one hundred and eleven missile shot by the
21:24
Speaker 6: Islamic Republic of Japan. They were shot at the air
21:29
Speaker 6: JC POC. What a terrible what a terrible deal. I
21:34
Speaker 6: call it the Obama Nuclear waste deal because what he
21:38
Speaker 6: did with that deal is he caused tremendous hardship in
21:42
Speaker 6: the Middle East. It was a terrible, terrible Do.
21:44
Speaker 8: You have a question for President? Do you have a
21:51
Speaker 8: question for President? Not so much, what would you like
21:55
Speaker 8: to ask him? Because I'm going to ask him that question.
21:57
Speaker 1: The Islamic Republic of Japan press in putin all in two.
22:01
Speaker 4: I like, I like his clean up.
22:02
Speaker 5: At the end, he's like, well, if you have a question,
22:04
Speaker 5: putin tell me yeah, I'll ask him right and then
22:07
Speaker 5: I'll get back to you exactly.
22:08
Speaker 4: That's what I meant.
22:09
Speaker 1: And he also called it the j C POC.
22:11
Speaker 4: That's kind of.
22:12
Speaker 1: JC Joint Comprehensive People of Color.
22:15
Speaker 4: Yes, I like that.
22:16
Speaker 3: That sounds like some end of lace. The Islamic Republic
22:20
Speaker 3: of Japan. The Japanese, you know that meme where they're like.
22:24
Speaker 4: What weekend? Yeah, and Pernrito is like whoa, whoa, whoa wait,
22:29
Speaker 4: what are we doing here?
22:31
Speaker 3: Just like you know, and man, I love Japan so much.
22:34
Speaker 3: Japanese you know, you know you did you know?
22:37
Speaker 4: The Japanese lit up Tokyo Tower Red, white, and Blue
22:39
Speaker 4: for July fourth.
22:40
Speaker 1: I did not know that there's such great people. They little.
22:42
Speaker 3: They did a little drone show which showed their PM
22:45
Speaker 3: next to Trump.
22:46
Speaker 1: They love us.
22:47
Speaker 4: All we do is slight them. It's it's just disgusting, disgusting,
22:50
Speaker 4: all right, let's get the Platinner.
22:54
Speaker 5: Grand Platner, in an eleven minutes straight to camera video,
22:57
Speaker 5: announced that he is dropping out of the main center.
23:00
Speaker 4: Let's listen to some of it.
23:01
Speaker 9: Hey, everyone, it's Cramp Platner here. I think, as many
23:05
Speaker 9: of you know, over the past couple of days, I
23:07
Speaker 9: have faced some very serious allegations, and I just want
23:11
Speaker 9: to make it clear this is all false. The things
23:15
Speaker 9: that have been claimed did not happen. It's not real.
23:21
Speaker 9: It has placed an immense amount of weight on me
23:27
Speaker 9: as I think about what needs to happen now. I
23:32
Speaker 9: just want you to think about what you would do
23:35
Speaker 9: as a regular person in a position where a much
23:41
Speaker 9: larger world, large forces were working against you personally to
23:49
Speaker 9: accuse you of the worst thing that a person could do,
23:55
Speaker 9: and it was not remotely true. It can't be made,
24:02
Speaker 9: and for that reason, we are suspending campaign operations. This
24:17
Speaker 9: is incredibly difficult because I know that some will think
24:21
Speaker 9: it's an admission of guilt, and it most certainly is not.
24:24
Speaker 9: We're not doing it because of the allegations. We're doing
24:26
Speaker 9: it because of the structures that are being taken away
24:29
Speaker 9: from us by those in power. We were asking for
24:32
Speaker 9: real democracy, and we did it the right way and
24:36
Speaker 9: we won. But now the ball is in the court
24:43
Speaker 9: of the democratic establishment. My name might be on the
24:49
Speaker 9: ballot right now, but that ballot line belongs to the
24:53
Speaker 9: people of Maine Osaka.
24:56
Speaker 5: There was also a line in there where he said,
24:58
Speaker 5: we did it the right way, the way you're supposed
25:01
Speaker 5: to do it.
25:01
Speaker 4: We did it through elect the electoral system.
25:05
Speaker 5: And very like he's alluding to the kind of fringe
25:08
Speaker 5: left wing court. No, he's alluding to this fringe left
25:11
Speaker 5: wing debate about armed revolution versus politics.
25:14
Speaker 4: Oh, is that what you That's that's what I thought.
25:16
Speaker 1: I read fast to this whole kangaroo court system.
25:20
Speaker 5: Which is what he was saying, is we wanted healthcare,
25:22
Speaker 5: we wanted to end the genocide, and we did it
25:24
Speaker 5: through the electoral system, which you say is the way
25:27
Speaker 5: to bring about change.
25:28
Speaker 4: Oh, I see, and he's strongly implying it. I'm not
25:30
Speaker 4: enough of a comedy, right.
25:32
Speaker 5: That was That was That was like for the for
25:35
Speaker 5: the COMMI heads, but overall, you know, we over diagnosed
25:40
Speaker 5: narcissm all the time.
25:41
Speaker 4: But it was a very like self focus.
25:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's break this down.
25:45
Speaker 3: I mean, guys, I look, we caught a decent portion
25:47
Speaker 3: of it and we're just here to react. But you
25:49
Speaker 3: got to go listen to the full thing. I listened
25:51
Speaker 3: to the full thing. It's eleven and a half minutes
25:52
Speaker 3: something like that.
25:54
Speaker 4: Me me, me, me, me, me me.
25:56
Speaker 3: He takes breaks, he's on the verge of tears. He's
25:59
Speaker 3: a he's huffing, he's puffing, he's sighing. I mean it's
26:03
Speaker 3: only maybe eight minutes in before he's like, thank you
26:06
Speaker 3: to all of the people who signed up. I'm like, uh,
26:09
Speaker 3: it is not about you, bro, It's supposed to be
26:11
Speaker 3: about everybody. I actually thought it was the most Trumpian
26:13
Speaker 3: thing possible. Uh and uh that was it was in
26:16
Speaker 3: that moment Graham I was like, he's a politician, because
26:20
Speaker 3: I can, I say eight and a half minutes, so
26:22
Speaker 3: it's all about me.
26:23
Speaker 1: It's just all this is totally wrong.
26:24
Speaker 4: He was right for politics.
26:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, you know, he really you know,
26:27
Speaker 3: people are always like, oh, he's a total outsider. I'm like, no,
26:29
Speaker 3: you had this in you man, You're just like all
26:33
Speaker 3: the rest of them, which comports, by the way, with
26:34
Speaker 3: all of your behavior.
26:36
Speaker 4: And so yeah, look it's tough.
26:38
Speaker 3: You and I we talked a decent amount over the
26:40
Speaker 3: last two days about the accusation about people taking a beat.
26:44
Speaker 3: He is not wrong in my opinion that this is
26:47
Speaker 3: all being used as a pretext of a coup. And
26:51
Speaker 3: I want to be clear, this is way bigger than Maine.
26:54
Speaker 3: This is now the establishment using me too and shady
26:59
Speaker 3: super pac five oh one C four's to basically come
27:02
Speaker 3: in not only just take out a candidate here, but
27:05
Speaker 3: then to discredit everyone in the movement at a national level,
27:10
Speaker 3: from the consultants on down, to discredit them from the
27:14
Speaker 3: Democratic establishment. You know, you have people out there, some
27:17
Speaker 3: of these Superpack people and others saying, if you had
27:19
Speaker 3: not resigned before today, we're going to blacklist you from
27:22
Speaker 3: campaign politics forever, all of your consultants, all of these
27:25
Speaker 3: other people, the main Democratic Party coming in and saying
27:28
Speaker 3: you will have no say whatsoever on this process. So
27:32
Speaker 3: beyond plattners, you know, me, me, me, it's a very
27:34
Speaker 3: cry baby honestly, like his entire video. It also is,
27:38
Speaker 3: in my opinion, like really pathetic Ryan, because he did
27:40
Speaker 3: not actually demand or extract any concessions whatsoever.
27:44
Speaker 1: People say, what power.
27:46
Speaker 4: Do you have?
27:47
Speaker 3: I mean, your name's on the ballot, dude, you can
27:48
Speaker 3: you actually can demand whatever you want. I don't think
27:52
Speaker 3: he's wrong, because everything moved so quickly that within what
27:56
Speaker 3: eight hours of publication of the story, the DSCC, Conshumer,
28:00
Speaker 3: Act Blue and everybody else was like, you're done. You're
28:02
Speaker 3: cut off from the platform, like the infrastructure was over.
28:05
Speaker 3: But I mean, I do think there's a world where
28:08
Speaker 3: I mean, I ultimately his line about people will say
28:11
Speaker 3: me withdrawing has nothing to do with the admission of guilt,
28:14
Speaker 3: like I'm sorry, Like you will be branded as a
28:16
Speaker 3: rapist for the rest of your life, like period, end
28:18
Speaker 3: of story. And if you didn't do it, I can
28:19
Speaker 3: only say this, you know, for at a personal level.
28:22
Speaker 3: But also you know, I know a decent number of
28:24
Speaker 3: politicians or observe them all too in general, like if
28:27
Speaker 3: you really are not guilty, you fight, you stand up
28:30
Speaker 3: and you fight.
28:30
Speaker 4: Brett Kavanaugh fought, you know, many others.
28:34
Speaker 3: Or even if you are guilty. In some cases, they
28:36
Speaker 3: stand up and they fight and they win. Just take
28:38
Speaker 3: a look at you. Half the people administration.
28:40
Speaker 5: I've covered a lot of different instances where people have
28:43
Speaker 5: been accused and they and they drop out and then
28:46
Speaker 5: they spend like the rest of their life trying to
28:48
Speaker 5: clear their name. One thing that I thought he failed
28:52
Speaker 5: at in this video and in his previous one, his
28:56
Speaker 5: like two minute video whether the story first came out,
28:59
Speaker 5: was he just come out with this full on, these
29:02
Speaker 5: are false allegations, right and then and then moves on.
29:07
Speaker 5: He makes no space whatsoever for this woman who's been
29:14
Speaker 5: his who he dated for like two years, to even
29:18
Speaker 5: say something about how she felt about the experience, just a.
29:24
Speaker 4: Straight up this is false.
29:26
Speaker 5: But then doesn't give his supporters anything to hang there,
29:31
Speaker 5: to hang their support on.
29:33
Speaker 4: Okay, it's false. How is it false?
29:36
Speaker 5: Like you didn't go over there, it was consensual, Like,
29:38
Speaker 5: what's the what is what is your side of the story?
29:41
Speaker 5: If this is a he said, she said, we have
29:44
Speaker 5: the she said like she courageously went to the press
29:48
Speaker 5: told her story.
29:50
Speaker 4: There is no he.
29:51
Speaker 5: Said other than it's all absolutely false. The yesterday when
30:00
Speaker 5: when we were talking about this people should go back
30:02
Speaker 5: and watch our conversation. But then on Twitter, like particularly,
30:07
Speaker 5: there was a Twitter post from a drop site that
30:10
Speaker 5: people thought was kind of suggesting that, oh, because she
30:15
Speaker 5: sent this text, therefore all of this is justified.
30:18
Speaker 4: Which is the opposite of what we said. The opposite
30:20
Speaker 4: of what we said.
30:21
Speaker 5: And I think anybody who watches the segment will understand that.
30:24
Speaker 5: But I can understand why people like who are just
30:28
Speaker 5: scanning quickly would come away in a.
30:31
Speaker 4: Good faith way with like, is that what they're saying. No,
30:34
Speaker 4: of course that's not what we're saying.
30:35
Speaker 5: We are litigating the most serious allegation you can make
30:41
Speaker 5: against somebody's short of murder, literally in the court of
30:44
Speaker 5: public opinion. If we're going to do that, and if
30:50
Speaker 5: the victim is putting forward her version of the story,
30:56
Speaker 5: the media should accurately present her version of the story.
31:00
Speaker 5: She told her version on the record to Politico. Politico
31:04
Speaker 5: selectively chose not to include some details. They included lots
31:10
Speaker 5: of other details. Doors unlocked, a sewing machine like, lots
31:13
Speaker 5: of details were put in. They chose not to include
31:16
Speaker 5: the detail of the text message and then and then
31:19
Speaker 5: wrote it up in an opposite way, right and if
31:23
Speaker 5: you're going to if the public is going to hash
31:26
Speaker 5: this out in the media, and the victim has the
31:29
Speaker 5: courage to be transparent about what she's saying the media,
31:35
Speaker 5: it's not up to the media to then like pick
31:38
Speaker 5: and choose what they put forward in a deliberate and
31:40
Speaker 5: calculated way. And I think I don't think anybody actually
31:44
Speaker 5: disagrees with that.
31:44
Speaker 3: No, they don't disagree. They all are using it again.
31:47
Speaker 3: That's why I started with the pretext. And I look,
31:50
Speaker 3: people are like, why are you so My wife actually
31:52
Speaker 3: asked me, She's like, why do you even care so
31:54
Speaker 3: much about this? And I was like, because it's not democratic.
31:58
Speaker 3: I'm an only I don't particularly you know, I don't
32:00
Speaker 3: love Platner, not some dsa head. I am watching twenty
32:05
Speaker 3: seventeen era witch hunt style journalism come back into the
32:10
Speaker 3: fold as an establishment coup forcing mechanism to destroy a
32:14
Speaker 3: populist movement. It's not my movement, but it is a
32:17
Speaker 3: populist movement, a genuine populist movement. I think that's outrageous
32:21
Speaker 3: for our country. And I mean, look, if you don't
32:24
Speaker 3: spend a lot of time on Twitter, go take a
32:26
Speaker 3: look at what they're saying. About Ryan like, they really
32:28
Speaker 3: called you and my rape apologists, They said you were disgusting.
32:32
Speaker 3: There it's being used by the Zionists because they already
32:34
Speaker 3: hated you for going after the New York Times rape
32:38
Speaker 3: story that allegedly happened on October seventh, which you very
32:42
Speaker 3: very credibly and always with extreme care have not just disputed,
32:48
Speaker 3: I have discredited completely. You don't do it as a
32:51
Speaker 3: rape apologist. You do it to set the record straight
32:54
Speaker 3: because you also know that those accusations about rape on
32:56
Speaker 3: October seventh were used as a pretext than to just
33:00
Speaker 3: and to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
33:04
Speaker 1: That's why you did it, right. And so then let's
33:06
Speaker 1: step back here.
33:07
Speaker 3: Well, why do I see all of this Because I
33:10
Speaker 3: see the architecture in the same architecture and journalism which
33:14
Speaker 3: was used to destroy people's lives, many ordinary people live,
33:17
Speaker 3: people much less powerful than Graham Platner.
33:19
Speaker 4: It's right back.
33:20
Speaker 3: So not only Ryan were you the subject of intense hatred,
33:25
Speaker 3: but there was also I sent this to our group chat. Yesterday,
33:27
Speaker 3: the Columbia Journalism Review ran a full interview with the
33:32
Speaker 3: story with the reporters who were.
33:34
Speaker 4: On the Politico story.
33:36
Speaker 3: And if everyone will remember, we played a video yesterday
33:38
Speaker 3: of Mika Brazinski saying and questioning the reporter Adam Wren. Hey,
33:44
Speaker 3: you guys have no evidence. How do you know that
33:46
Speaker 3: this ever actually happened? What steps did you take for corroboration?
33:50
Speaker 3: The Columbia Journalism Review, which again is supposed to defend journalism,
33:53
Speaker 3: here's what it said about Mika's lineup questioning. Brazinski's queries
33:57
Speaker 3: may not be out of place in a meeting with editors,
33:59
Speaker 3: fact checkers, and lawyers, but on air, in the absence
34:03
Speaker 3: of context about the way sexual assault is experience are
34:05
Speaker 3: shared with others, they display a misunderstanding of the work.
34:08
Speaker 3: And in other words, how dare you be adversarial?
34:12
Speaker 4: Now?
34:12
Speaker 3: She was not even adversarial to the victim, right, she
34:15
Speaker 3: was not. I promise you, if Jenny Raycott was ever
34:17
Speaker 3: here on the show, we would treat her with the
34:19
Speaker 3: absolute utmost respect, and I would not say that I
34:21
Speaker 3: would not call her a liar, and I would definitely
34:23
Speaker 3: not even treat her with the way Meeki Persinski.
34:25
Speaker 4: But the reporter who's doing the work.
34:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, you are actually up for scrutiny. How
34:29
Speaker 3: dare you Basically, you are completely unassailable because what you're
34:34
Speaker 3: doing is elevating her story. And yet her story to
34:38
Speaker 3: you included the detail about that text message and you
34:41
Speaker 3: didn't include it. So actually you are you should be
34:44
Speaker 3: subject to intense scrutiny and mister Jake Tapper who never responded.
34:49
Speaker 4: By the way to our request for her, And.
34:50
Speaker 5: There's there's a strong argument you made, and I actually
34:54
Speaker 5: believe it.
34:54
Speaker 4: I believe this argument.
34:56
Speaker 5: That the fact that she included this detail about the
35:00
Speaker 5: text message strengthens her critic I totally agree with you,
35:04
Speaker 5: because it shows a confidence in her version of the story,
35:08
Speaker 5: like she's like, look, this is what I experienced.
35:11
Speaker 4: I'm telling you all of it.
35:13
Speaker 5: And then Politico sees all of it and they're like, actually,
35:15
Speaker 5: we're going to leave that out because people are going
35:17
Speaker 5: to judge that in a way we don't want them
35:19
Speaker 5: to judge it, and so we're just not going to
35:22
Speaker 5: include it. That's why they didn't include it, and that
35:24
Speaker 5: was that was wrong. The blast radius of this is
35:30
Speaker 5: like infinite almost, it's monument. So the White House cryptos
35:35
Speaker 5: are we could put this up in post. The White
35:38
Speaker 5: House cryptos are thinks that crypto interests deserve to benefit
35:42
Speaker 5: from this. He tweeted at Elizabeth Warren, I wonder how
35:46
Speaker 5: heavily your colleagues will wait your advice on crypto legislation
35:51
Speaker 5: after the train wreck you just orchestrated in Maine. And
35:55
Speaker 5: this is a response to Elizabeth Warren saying, as currently drafted,
35:59
Speaker 5: the Clarity is a ticket to sanctions of ASI and
36:02
Speaker 5: the Clarity Act is the meek attempt to regulate crypto.
36:06
Speaker 5: So the crypto industry, through the White House cryptos are
36:09
Speaker 5: thinks that they can even exploit this at this point,
36:12
Speaker 5: it is you know, it is it is open season
36:16
Speaker 5: for people to use this against people that they that
36:20
Speaker 5: they've long.
36:20
Speaker 4: Been going after.
36:21
Speaker 5: Now, the way that Maine Democrats are currently planning to
36:26
Speaker 5: replace Platner, we can put up B five here. They
36:30
Speaker 5: have until I believe it's a twenty seventh or twenty
36:32
Speaker 5: sixth or twenty seventh to get this done. It would
36:35
Speaker 5: be a six hundred person convention that would vote on
36:40
Speaker 5: a replacement. Five hundred of these people would be elected
36:45
Speaker 5: proportionally by county committees. In other words, the county committees
36:50
Speaker 5: will have on a Tuesday night, they'll meet and everybody
36:54
Speaker 5: who shows up then votes for you know who that
36:59
Speaker 5: county is going to you know who the county is
37:02
Speaker 5: going to send to this six hundred person convention. Now,
37:05
Speaker 5: of course, it being the Democratic Party, one hundred of
37:09
Speaker 5: the six hundred will just be you know, party acts.
37:12
Speaker 5: So if now not all of those party hacks are
37:17
Speaker 5: are hacks. Actually, because there's been so much grassroots effort
37:20
Speaker 5: to take over the Democratic Party, a non trivial number
37:24
Speaker 5: of those hundred are going to be populous and progressive types.
37:28
Speaker 5: So the movement that was behind Platner, which included fifteen
37:34
Speaker 5: thousand volunteers like you were just in Maine. Yeah, that's
37:38
Speaker 5: a staggering number of people in a state that small.
37:42
Speaker 5: They're already planning to organize. I mean, everybody obviously is planning,
37:47
Speaker 5: but they're the ones that are the most organized, planning
37:49
Speaker 5: to go to these county committee meetings when they're scheduled
37:52
Speaker 5: and get behind a particular candidate I suspect our reporting
37:56
Speaker 5: in the case, that will be Troy Jackson, and then
37:59
Speaker 5: try to send a majority of their own delegates to
38:04
Speaker 5: the state committee and then nominate nominate Troy Jackson. Troy
38:09
Speaker 5: Jackson put out a statement announcing that he is running
38:12
Speaker 5: for office on a platform of Medicare for all, taking
38:17
Speaker 5: on corporate power, standing up for working people. Conspicuously absent
38:23
Speaker 5: from his statement was the gods of genocide or an
38:27
Speaker 5: anti war message. He's opposes the genocide. He has called
38:31
Speaker 5: it out. He is an anti war candidate in the moment,
38:35
Speaker 5: He's like, no, I don't think I'm gonna I don't
38:39
Speaker 5: think we're going to include that necessarily in the statement
38:42
Speaker 5: that we're putting out here. It's like a lesson learned
38:45
Speaker 5: type of situation.
38:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I mean, I can you could see
38:48
Speaker 3: it all coming from a mile away, right, because anytime
38:51
Speaker 3: party apparatics get involved, we all know like they're going
38:54
Speaker 3: to be disproportionately more establishment.
38:56
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that people can actually win this though.
38:59
Speaker 3: You may be right, right, but but we do see
39:01
Speaker 3: the ground already being set, you know, for I don't know,
39:06
Speaker 3: like let's.
39:06
Speaker 4: Put be four up here. For example.
39:08
Speaker 3: So you have this founder of main beer company, Dan
39:11
Speaker 3: cleban He now says he's in the race. He says,
39:14
Speaker 3: for too long, this race has been about Susan Collins
39:17
Speaker 3: repeated failures. But to do what's right for Maine, that's unacceptable.
39:19
Speaker 3: Mayners are paying the price for her destructive leadership. He says,
39:22
Speaker 3: I've been overwhelmed by the countless calls from mayners encouraged
39:25
Speaker 3: me to consider this race. And he says that he's
39:27
Speaker 3: going to run in the open and transparent process to replace.
39:31
Speaker 4: But here's the thing.
39:32
Speaker 3: I don't know a ton about Dan, but I do
39:35
Speaker 3: know that he was one of those candidates who had
39:38
Speaker 3: originally considered running, but Chuck Schumer told him, hey, don't
39:41
Speaker 3: enter the race because we need Janet Mills.
39:43
Speaker 4: We got to clear the field and make sure that
39:45
Speaker 4: he wins.
39:46
Speaker 3: I'm just pointing out that with all these you know,
39:49
Speaker 3: some of these outsiders and others. The thing is about
39:51
Speaker 3: Graham is he ran for a year, so it was
39:52
Speaker 3: all out there, like we actually knew what he thought
39:54
Speaker 3: about everything. And you could say that to a much
39:57
Speaker 3: lesser extent about You could say that to a much
39:59
Speaker 3: lesser here about Troy Jacks or some of these state
40:02
Speaker 3: legislator but they didn't have an actually run, you know,
40:04
Speaker 3: they ran for governor. Yeah, but that's not the same
40:07
Speaker 3: as a United States Senate. The votes are totally different.
40:09
Speaker 3: Like these are national politics votes that you're going to
40:12
Speaker 3: have to take on taxes, on healthcare, on war, how
40:15
Speaker 3: do we know you know, how you run as a governor.
40:18
Speaker 3: That's why states very often will choose different party governors
40:20
Speaker 3: because they don't care necessarily about how you run the state.
40:22
Speaker 1: But at national level it's totally different.
40:24
Speaker 3: You might have take an impeachment vote, you might have
40:26
Speaker 3: to take you know, who knows there are all kinds
40:27
Speaker 3: of Supreme Court you know in terms of a confirmation.
40:30
Speaker 4: What do you think about all those things? We can
40:32
Speaker 4: infer but we don't know.
40:33
Speaker 3: Graham actually put it all out there and made really
40:36
Speaker 3: the pretext of his campaign about health care, about wealth,
40:40
Speaker 3: and about war and those three things. Obviously, we're a
40:43
Speaker 3: very very powerful message. We don't have it's not even
40:46
Speaker 3: possible to do the same amount of vetting that's that's required,
40:50
Speaker 3: I think in the next two week period. Like you know,
40:52
Speaker 3: if we put that last one B five up here
40:55
Speaker 3: and again I'll let you explain it better. But this
40:58
Speaker 3: proportionality by only Committee five hundred, can they really organize
41:04
Speaker 3: necessarily at the county level in the same way you
41:07
Speaker 3: think so? Well, But that's my question too, because then
41:09
Speaker 3: this is where it gets down to the state level
41:11
Speaker 3: as well.
41:12
Speaker 4: Well.
41:12
Speaker 3: Let's think about you know counties are going to if
41:14
Speaker 3: it's all county committees, isn't that going to disproportionately represent
41:18
Speaker 3: like more rural areas as opposed to you think so
41:21
Speaker 3: because I was in Portland in a city. It's proportional, Okay,
41:25
Speaker 3: So it's a population right, I'm just thinking this.
41:28
Speaker 4: So it won't disproportionately. It'll be.
41:32
Speaker 5: The Portland counties and the banger and you know the
41:35
Speaker 5: areas will have this report, they will have proportionally more
41:38
Speaker 5: representation at the at the state level. Even so, this, uh,
41:44
Speaker 5: this movement is much better organized than deeper in every
41:50
Speaker 5: county in the in the state. So and as the
41:54
Speaker 5: volut Nathan Bernard's piece is at drop site is really
41:57
Speaker 5: worth reading. A lot of the volunteers were saying very
42:01
Speaker 5: quickly like this is heartbreaking to us and we feel betrayed, but.
42:05
Speaker 4: It's not about one person. Now.
42:08
Speaker 5: He was a kind of uniquely kind of gifted political talent,
42:14
Speaker 5: also obviously uniquely flawed, But they were saying, it's not
42:18
Speaker 5: about one person. All of us can still push forward.
42:23
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of disillusionment among the kind of
42:27
Speaker 5: progressive populist world now. But the same structural forces that
42:32
Speaker 5: have produced. All of the anger that has been channeled
42:34
Speaker 5: into this movement exists today as they existed last week. Certainly,
42:40
Speaker 5: immense damage has been done, but the structural the structural
42:46
Speaker 5: problems that are produced by the oligarchy that created this
42:49
Speaker 5: movement are still there and they're not going away. And
42:53
Speaker 5: so that's why I do think actually they have the
42:56
Speaker 5: organizing capacity and.
42:57
Speaker 4: The drive and the will.
43:00
Speaker 5: To by the end of July have have put another
43:03
Speaker 5: populist up, which will be interesting to see how the
43:08
Speaker 5: establishment responds, because they've been saying nobody who has had
43:12
Speaker 5: anything to do with Platner should ever be anywhere near
43:14
Speaker 5: anything ever again, and that's okay for you to say,
43:18
Speaker 5: but there are still we're still somewhat of a democracy,
43:21
Speaker 5: so we'll see.
43:22
Speaker 3: Let's put this last thing I just sent this guy's
43:24
Speaker 3: is a new poll actually that was fielded by Platner's
43:27
Speaker 3: team on Tuesday, gauging the strength of the people who
43:31
Speaker 3: could replace him on the ballot.
43:32
Speaker 1: So their internal poll.
43:33
Speaker 3: This is very small sample size because a snap pole
43:35
Speaker 3: is seven hundred and eighty five voters. They found Troy
43:38
Speaker 3: Jackson at forty nine forty four, Susan Collins versus Graham
43:42
Speaker 3: Plattner would have been forty seven forty two, so Graham
43:45
Speaker 3: under five points to Susan Collins. In his own poll,
43:48
Speaker 3: Susan Collins and Janet Mills would have been forty eight
43:50
Speaker 3: thirty seven. Susan Collins and Jordan Wood would have been
43:53
Speaker 3: forty seven and thirty eight. Bellows and Shah, they said
43:57
Speaker 3: both essentially tied Collins at forty seven and forty five
44:01
Speaker 3: percent respectively.
44:02
Speaker 4: There's going to be a huge margin of error, and
44:04
Speaker 4: you know you should take that before before everything. No, no,
44:08
Speaker 4: this was this was snaphole. So this was I mean.
44:10
Speaker 5: It's before negative ads, right before a good point hundreds
44:13
Speaker 5: of millions of dollars spen.
44:14
Speaker 3: And that's part of the thing too, where you just
44:16
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, platinm was a known entity. So
44:19
Speaker 3: whoever does replace him, this is not necessarily a horrible thing,
44:21
Speaker 3: but you're gonna need, like, I mean, tens of millions
44:25
Speaker 3: to tell the state who you are. The NRSC, I
44:29
Speaker 3: could guarantee you they're on a high. They haven't been
44:31
Speaker 3: in quite some time. They thought she was dead in
44:34
Speaker 3: this race, and now they're going to fundraise dramatically and
44:38
Speaker 3: they're negative ads. Whoever decides they're going to run, they
44:41
Speaker 3: will be hit with a negative ad the day that
44:44
Speaker 3: they get announced, and then it's just going to be
44:45
Speaker 3: blanket the entire state. So look, it's going to be
44:48
Speaker 3: a wave year. Platiner was still only down five in
44:50
Speaker 3: the absolute worst of it. I think he's still could
44:53
Speaker 3: have won personally if he staid and fought. I actually
44:56
Speaker 3: really think he could have won by maybe one or
44:58
Speaker 3: two points. But you know, it would have been a harder,
45:00
Speaker 3: but I think so.
45:02
Speaker 4: But he decided to drop out.
45:03
Speaker 3: So now it's just a big question I think about
45:06
Speaker 3: who's going to be able to replace him, and if
45:08
Speaker 3: the process doesn't play out for the activists and the
45:11
Speaker 3: way that they want, do they show up in November,
45:14
Speaker 3: you know, or are they going to say screw you.
45:16
Speaker 4: I'm just you know, politics has done for me.
45:17
Speaker 5: If they feel screwed, right, that could definitely hurt him
45:21
Speaker 5: in November. I think one final thought is like a
45:26
Speaker 5: meta thought here in this this show and also independent
45:30
Speaker 5: media kind of allows us to do this more honest
45:35
Speaker 5: kind of coverage and frankly just to let people in
45:39
Speaker 5: on it, like personally and professionally, it's not fun.
45:42
Speaker 4: No, I'd actually rather not.
45:44
Speaker 5: Do it, and if you are at a kind of
45:48
Speaker 5: corporate media outlet, you kind of just don't do it. Yeah,
45:52
Speaker 5: and you're actually okay with that, you like, I can't
45:54
Speaker 5: do it.
45:55
Speaker 4: Like so.
45:55
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty, Alex Morse's Democratic candidate arm Abraham running
46:00
Speaker 5: in western Massachusetts got accused of all sorts of stuff
46:03
Speaker 5: and I said, where's the evidence for this? I was
46:07
Speaker 5: getting called a creep or a rape apologist all and
46:11
Speaker 5: then over time it turned out, and we did the
46:15
Speaker 5: reporting on this, that it was a actual coordinated smear
46:19
Speaker 5: campaign that was fabricated by people who wanted jobs in
46:23
Speaker 5: the other guy's office, and the guy's entire reputational safety
46:29
Speaker 5: still ended up losing. Is this damaging stuff? He's now
46:31
Speaker 5: a Provincetown may not mayor what do you call it?
46:35
Speaker 4: Town manager?
46:36
Speaker 5: Best job, best job in the world for him. In
46:40
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, Scott Stringer was running for mayor and
46:44
Speaker 5: faced some really complicated and odd allegations which are now
46:47
Speaker 5: still playing out in court. We were the only ones
46:50
Speaker 5: that did any reporting on what are the actual allegations here?
46:53
Speaker 5: And it's not because we want to do that, it's
46:56
Speaker 5: that because structurally we can there's an obligation to do it,
47:02
Speaker 5: like because if we can do it, and we know
47:05
Speaker 5: that there are facts out there that aren't being included
47:07
Speaker 5: in the in the public discussion, even if it's difficult
47:10
Speaker 5: to put those forward. If we don't do it, then
47:13
Speaker 5: what are we doing with the space that has been
47:16
Speaker 5: created for us by this independent audience? I agree, we
47:20
Speaker 5: would just be coasting on it and cynically just cashing checks.
47:25
Speaker 5: So if you're not doing the hard thing, you're not
47:28
Speaker 5: You're you're not living up.
47:29
Speaker 4: To your obligation, and you have to. That's a thank
47:31
Speaker 4: you to the people who make this possible.
47:33
Speaker 3: And you have to see and look, I mean, I
47:35
Speaker 3: don't know, this isn't this isn't about us, but we
47:37
Speaker 3: can see. How how many dms do we get from
47:40
Speaker 3: people in the mainstream media or like thank you for.
47:42
Speaker 4: Doing it, yes, thank you for doing that. Yes, but
47:44
Speaker 4: they can't do it like all day, all day yesterday. Yes,
47:47
Speaker 4: people reaching out here like.
47:48
Speaker 3: Good story, great story, you're totally right, but you know,
47:53
Speaker 3: guess what they're working for, A big corporation Columbia Journalism Review.
47:57
Speaker 4: I mean, look what happened.
47:58
Speaker 3: I just told you, Meek a present multi millionaire hostman MSNBC,
48:02
Speaker 3: daughter of a daughter of Heitan, Titan of the American
48:06
Speaker 3: as as you can get in the and she's getting
48:09
Speaker 3: hit for being semi skeptical about a me too allegation
48:13
Speaker 3: to a reporter, not even to a victim, all right,
48:16
Speaker 3: and so for just.
48:17
Speaker 5: The general principle of very serious allegations requires require serious screens.
48:21
Speaker 3: And you know again, you know all the people at Politico,
48:23
Speaker 3: these reporters, they're being failed as heroes.
48:26
Speaker 4: Maybe they are.
48:27
Speaker 3: I don't know, you guys can decide. Jake Tappernal, Oh
48:29
Speaker 3: my god, what a great interview. Everything is all praise.
48:32
Speaker 3: So if you you know, if you don't swim in
48:35
Speaker 3: that current and you swim against it, the hatred that
48:38
Speaker 3: you engender in them, you put your literal livelihood at risk.
48:41
Speaker 3: And so it's easier to just stay silent.
48:43
Speaker 5: But they do, they do know how to scrutinize allegations.
48:46
Speaker 5: When Tara Reid came forward with one on the rest, yeah.
48:49
Speaker 3: Or yeah right, if anybody who is inconvenient to the system,
48:54
Speaker 3: then they definitely know how to scrutinize a victim or
48:58
Speaker 3: they know how or with Christine Christine Bosi for oh,
49:02
Speaker 3: she's the greatest truth teller in history, even.
49:05
Speaker 5: Though I'm like or on the right, she's the biggest
49:07
Speaker 5: liar in here or the biggest lion.
49:09
Speaker 4: All the same people who are saying, no, that's driving me. Yeah, exactly.
49:12
Speaker 3: These guys who you know, called the hag Seth accuser,
49:16
Speaker 3: like basically a liar, you know who are all like, oh,
49:20
Speaker 3: this what a brave vicar. I'm like, well, which is it, guys,
49:23
Speaker 3: you know it's one or the other. I'm I'm I'm consistent,
49:26
Speaker 3: like I'm basically I'm like I basically at this point
49:30
Speaker 3: in this day and age, if it's a racism allegation
49:32
Speaker 3: or a rape allegation, I'm like, you got to prove
49:35
Speaker 3: it to me first.
49:35
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, so people are like, what about it? What
49:37
Speaker 5: if it's somebody you don't agree with. We scrutinized the
49:40
Speaker 5: heg Seth allegation in a very serious way. I think
49:43
Speaker 5: heg Seth belongs in prison for war crimes. I think
49:46
Speaker 5: he's a despicable human being. But we scrutinize that allegation
49:50
Speaker 5: because that's what you do with serious, exactly allegations
49:53
Speaker 3: And that's how you maintain a little bit of credibility,
49:55
Speaker 3: so anyway we'll get off of our soap boxes.