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Marvel vs DC vs Wu-Tang Featuring Julian Elijah Martinez · For All Nerds Show

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  have a very big show, a very big show tonight because we have a
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  very big special guest. But also you know, we're taking it back back
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  in time, like this is an old school episode. This is our tenth
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  anniversary this year, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, clapp
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  it up. Clapp it up. Celebrated our tenth anniversary on Twitter. The
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  other day I saw that, you know this the four All Nerds Four All
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  Nerds show formerly known as the other show that you know, Sean I'll be
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  named. It's been around for ten years. That's just crazy to me,
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  bro crazy to me too. Fam, you know what I mean. We
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  have grown up on this show. Y'all have grown up with us. We
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  have raised people, you know, all that different stuff. It's insane.
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  I mean like I was like fresh out of Howard, like this just love.
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  It's like a whole other world now look at us, right, lots
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  done, but we're not. But it's been. It's been. I mean
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  we've been like a third time that we you know, talk we puedo quit,
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  right, Yeah, but no, like it's doesn't like it kind of
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  doesn't feel that long, and it also feels that long, but in a
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  way that we've had such a huge journey, right, like we've had so
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  many experiences and so many people we've met, and so many opportunities and just
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  things that would have never occurred for us had we not done this podcast,
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  right, and how can I continue to do this podcast? And like all
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  the doors and the windows to the walls that have opened up for us,
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  like it's it's been phenomenal, and it's just like there's so much more in
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  store and it's just it's just waiting for us to walk through, right m
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  And as always, you know what we do on this show, shout out
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  journey, you know, for incorporating us, for bringing us into existence.
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  And we continue to carry on and dream those dreams and raised the those bars,
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  you know what I mean. Always, Um, since we're speaking about
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  loved ones that has passed, also one say happy birthday to Deadly d vaka
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  a meeting her birthday, um and it depends on when you hear this,
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  but her birthdays this week and you know, every I think I think she
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  passed in twenty eighteen. I'm not sure at this point, but every you
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  know, having on my counter every year of her birthday, so I always
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  celebrate it. Um. She was also a huge part of Man, I
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  mean to the end right to huge part of our Bars Alive Bars, our
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  anime focused podcast, huge part of our success, huge part of our expansion,
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  huge part of just pushing us. She was always on point, like
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  always about the fam, always about the team, just doing whatever was necessary
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  to make sure that we was winning at all times. Man. And just
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  such a good person, you know what I mean. It's like those type
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  of people, man, just coming into our lives. And it's funny too
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  that this is our tenth anniversary because I was thinking about you the other day.
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  How like when I first put the call out and I was like,
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  it was me and Cheeko Leo when we first started the show, the cheek
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  O Leo of course, and I was like, we did one or two
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  episodes, maybe I think one I honestly, and I was like, Yo,
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  ain't no way, I'm sitting here because of me him combat Jack.
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  We had Sean Price, you know, you guys had fifty niggas on No
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  Joe never made it to the show. They say, you guys always say
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  he was there. No, no weterview Joe to be on the show,
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  and Joe was like, y'all got fifty niggas on this show. A way,
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  I'm coming on people, no, not no. Before you and um
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  Jamie came through, it was just me, Cheeko and Combat, okay,
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  and Sean Price and there. Yeah, there's an original lost episode that to
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  this day is lost with Sean Price Sam League. I wish I had it.
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  I wish I could give it to y'all, but I don't. And
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  that had Sean Price on at me Combat, and I don't even think Chico
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  was there yet. Then we brought Chico and because we interviewed Chico and Joe,
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  and Joe's like, now I'm good, and Chico's like I'm down.
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  And so it's me, Chico and Combat and I was like, ain't no
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  way, ain't no way, ain't no way, ain't no way. And
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  so I put out the call on Twitter and Tatiana, who was already following
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  me, I was already following her, and Chico actually was like, Yo,
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  we should get this woman Tattwa king. You know, she knows all
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  her shit about yeah, and so you responded like yeah, I'm down.
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  Jamie came through and that was the original Fantastic four, you know what I
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  mean. And then still got that picture with the great um from Prodigy my
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  first episode. That was your first episode. That was our first episode.
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  That's so crazy. I threw y'all right into the fire, like deal with
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  this ship. That's how it usually is. Let's go. It's crazy.
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  I didn't realize that was y'all first episode was the very first episode. First
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  first Oh man, I remember when y'all came through and I was like,
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  yeah, we're talking to Prodigy tonight. And I remember Jamie it's like what
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  it was, very like, okay, oh that's crazy. And y'all can
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  listen to that one that is not a lost episode another god lost you know
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  recipes to Prodigy of Mob Deep a legend you know who is on Tatiana's very
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  first episode. Got to speak to a living will now past legend, you
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  know. Yeah. When I think about it, I'm thinking about I was
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  like I felt stupid asking him questions. I'm like, what the fuck am
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  I supposed to ask this man? Like he's probably give me like this stupid
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  kid like what am I supposed to be saying to him? But you know
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  it worked out. You know, he had a great time, had a
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  great time. He was talking about aliens and shit. But like I just
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  felt like I was asking him the wrong things, Like I'm not like,
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  I'm not part of this, I'm not doing this right. But they ain't
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  gotta notice. I'm just gonna act like I know what I'm doing. So
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  that's all that matters, know at like you've been there before, right,
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  and you know, since we were going to act like we've been here before.
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  You know, the name of this episode is Marvel Versus DC versus Wu
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  Tang, which she will soon understand. You know, it's not like Wu
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  Tangers Forever and Wou Tangers for the kids, but one of those things is
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  not like they actually all similarly related. And you know, it was a
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  big day this week. Yeah, yesterday, Yeah, yesterday, this week
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  was a big big day in entertainment is Marvel and DC both both of them
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  decided to release trailers. Yeah big day as well. Oh yeah yeah.
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  Oh she's in Spider Woman. She's Spider Woman and that what was the big
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  day for her today because they also released the details about the well, the
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  trailer and the photo posters for Barbie. Oh yeah, and she's also in
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  that Barbie nice, very nice. Congratulations, but yes we do. I
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  know they dropped a teaser trailer for Barbarie. We ain't got that. We're
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  waiting on the full one, you know. Um super Mario Bros. Is
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  getting incredible reviews. Shout out to Charles Pulliam Moore from Io nine or actually
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  The Verge Now, um he said he was he was shot shot how good?
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  And and and Charles is the one of the most level headed people,
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  number one, but also critics that I that I know, and he will
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  tell it like it is and generally like between him myself and then, I
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  mean, we're usually kind of on the same wavelength when it comes to these
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  reviews. And for him to be like yeah literally every time, so like
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  for him to be like, yo, that was like undeniably good. I
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  was like, oh, okay, you know, I wasn't really hype about
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  all the voice acting talent. I'm not gonna say the names, but um,
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  you know, it's still it's still Mario. And it's like if they're
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  trying to be better, like how they how they've done like with this Sonic
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  movies things like that. Then you know I can see that working where the
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  parent is working. My parent is working. And I mean that's shocking because
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  now it seems like we're gonna have three incredible animated movies so far this year.
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  Because I still go on record by saying, put some Boots the last
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  wish. I gotta see it because I'm streaming out right. Yeah, I
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  rented it on Amazon. You know it was worth all all DreamWorks right yeah,
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  yeah, And I'm not a big DreamWorks fan, but I mean that's
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  where it's never never gave a damn. Honestly, I'm gonna get roasted.
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  I liked the first one. I think I was trying to tire to Mike
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  Myers stuff, and I mean, Eddie Murphy is Eddie Murphy. You know
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  it's it's like I liked it, you know, but it ain't something i'd
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  be like, let me go watch Trek again. Hell no, ain't,
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  no way fifty times the original. I've always been a Pixar, you know,
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  Toy Story, I've seen him. But DreamWorks stream is be coming up
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  like how to Train Your Dragon? Dream Works be honest, Yeah, that's
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  got It's the animation style. And the way they faces look. Nah,
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  never liked. Do you know it's real good? Speaking of how to Train
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  Your Dragon, there's this fucking dragon show on Hulu that's in the same universes
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  How to Train Your Dragon. It's actually good as fuck. You need to
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  watch it. I forgot the name of it, but I'm gonna probably remembering.
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  Just have some funny looking faces. Yes, been on me, that's
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  just how dream Works do it. Okay, but no, look, I
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  could never deal dog. I'm not gonna lie. The funny looking faces threw
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  me off every time. And so pussing Boots is felt to me felt like
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  they took some of the animators from Spider Verse, or they learned some of
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  them styles because they are doing all those different styles or frame rates and different
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  styles of animation in the same shot and put some boots just on another Leveloo,
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  that's one of my favorite films of the year. I gotta see that.
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  Um yeah, and it's it's the Dragons the Nine Realms that that show's
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  actually pretty there. But like when you catch your stuff, like and this
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  is really is supposed to it's not just because it's animation, because I don't
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  think inherently animation. It's not kids stuff, right, No, but this
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  is targeted specifically towards kids. But it's actually a really compelling story and you
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  kind of get into it. So I could caught myself many times like mouth
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  opened, like watching the story. So it's actually pretty good. Nigga,
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  Put Some Boots is so damn adult. It's out of control that. Yeah,
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  that ship is one of the darkest, most real life films I've ever
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  seen. Yeah, but Shrek I had had that stuff too, And I
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  mean, like I started getting annoying after, you know, I think it
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  was like three movies or whatever, better two movies. But point is you
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  gotta you know, yeah, Pixar's Bobby King, but you also got to
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  give it up a dream Works. They'd be coming with some fire. Yeah
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  no. And this was so bad that when I saw the Pittar got a
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  new trailer for Elemental. When I saw the trailer for Elemental, I was
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  like, y'all got to step it up, like this might be great.
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  But the trailer did nothing for me because I just finished watching Put Some Boots
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  and it was so silly with animation and style and just flare, and I
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  was like, the Elementals ain't doing it, which is why we are not
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  you know, watching that tonight as we you know, let's get into this
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  because we have a really big show. Like I said, we got DC
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  versus Marvel versus Wu, Tang, Julie and Elijah Martinez is joining us yeast.
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  First we got to get into these trailers. We got the Blue Beetle
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  trailer dropping from DC and the Secret Invasion trailer dropping on Disney plus from Marvel.
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  So because three things, wow, there has been a lot what's at
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  the same time, Like I forgot about Secret Invasion? I know when I
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  said I have forgotten, not because it wasn't fire. It's just that literally
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  all these shows have been dropping back to back to back, back to back
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  to back. So we are going to review or watch, you know,
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  give you all little you know, reaction all that good stuff. First to
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  the Blue Beetle trailer from Disney starring my Man's from Cobra Kai. Excuse me,
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  mister rayas you finished scraping the gum off that lounger. What anything right
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  now? How to reach you? Always land on your feet, bro your
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  hymen much. I just want to go to wife, but do not open
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  you went into get us shops and all you brought back was the hamburger.
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  Okay, I don't think it's a burger. You haven't looked. What the
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  hell is this? How did you get it to do that? I think
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  he likes me M to same same? What the host there? Okay,
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  free entry systems, ready to say what you want, to say what you
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  want? Where is going on? It's called the scarc. It's some kind
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  of world destroying weapons. It's designed to protect its host. Sometimes it does
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  what you want and sometimes it doesn't. I think I cut a bucksen half
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  the scart, chose you, that it belongs to me. That low your
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  field for your family makes you weak. I want to row. I want
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  my money, don't low my side. The universe is sensual gift and you
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  have to figure out what you're gonna do with it, or two bits or
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  dog side whatever you can't imagine. I can create fire. Yeah, nice
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  choice. Who it's like Batman stuff? Batman as a fascist? I just
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  want to brown round. Somebody's been listening to the show, shouts to Julian
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  Elijah Martinez. Yes, word for word, bar for bar um. I
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  loved it. I had said on Twitter that I am I felt like it
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  was a fresh move. It's a fresh take for for the DCU. Now
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  we're you know, no longer the DCU, but the DCUM and and and
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  the go forward plan, right because we're getting out of the whole everything gotta
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  be dark. We're getting out of the whole everything gotta be fucking depressing,
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  and we're getting more into the Okay, let's tell some compelling stories with and
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  yes, of course younger characters, but also new characters. This is not
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  even though we're gonna get it anyway. This is not the fiftieth Superman or
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  Batman film. This is Blue Beetle, which again I don't I am not
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  the biggest DC fan or DC comic book head, but I don't think that's
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  the top tier when it comes to far from it, these types, you
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  know what I'm saying. And similarly, what happened in the MCU where they
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  took Carter words not exactly top tier, but they made it a top tier.
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  And I can see them doing this with the Blue Beetle character. Yep
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  um, Okay. I had some reservations because I am a fan of the
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  Blue Beetle character. Surprisingly, he talked a lot about it over the years.
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  Yeah, Yeah, a lot of people who watch Young Justice will know
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  him from that show. He was a prominent part, his whole lore and
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  enemies, everything about him plays a prominent part in Young Justice. That's how
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  Ray got to know him. I think he was actually introduced on the show
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  before he came to the comics. I'm not on. That's that's my entry
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  point for Blue Beetle from from Young Justice. But and even then it's still
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  limited. And then I also go back with the Second Blue Beetle, who
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  some of him. There's a lot of references in the trailer, right,
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  Jamie, who is the new Blue Beetle, goes to work at Cord Industries,
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  which is owned by Ted Cord, who is the first Blue Beetle or
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  the second Blue Beetle. Right, And even the ship you see with the
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  big blue I mean big yellow eyes. The blue ship is his ship.
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  That's not related to the New Blue Beetle. And the differences, I mean,
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  there's a big differences. The original Blue Beetle is a billionaire. He's
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  kind of like Batman, but not so much of a fascist obviously, you
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  know, he's more of a good Batman, right. And then yeah,
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  the new one is a young kid who gets this alien scare of attached to
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  him, as we see in the trailer. Yes, that grows into the
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  suit of armor, and it's related to a bunch of other alien stare up
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  things and aliens to where are these suits? Yeah, I mean it's giving
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  for me, it's giving um what you say, Guiver guy, were the
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  anime? I don't know, I know, Oh you're talking about some Okay,
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  I don't know. Yeah, but it's a lot of different types of
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  characters and stories giving me. Right, it's giving me a little bit of
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  symbio venom symbio. It's giving me Iron Man, it's giving me Green Lantern.
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  It's giving me a little bit of Spider Man in it, right because
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  bugs? Right? Yeah, but but who's everybody? But I also like
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  that this is a Latino focused character, and I don't know if he's always
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  well, like you said, different people could be Beatles, but I don't
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  know if the main one has this always has been a Mexican character, Okay,
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  okay, okay, yeah, yeah, um or Latin x rather,
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  so he's definitely Mexican. Okay, yeah, this man, it was it
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  really takes place in El Paso. Oh okay, cool, cool, um
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  but um no, I like seeing all of that, right, And like
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  I said, I just I think this is a cool fresh take for for
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  for DC and to give you something fun, right, Like my favorite part
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  of the trailer were him cutting the fucking bus in half and being genuinely bewildered
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  about what the fuck is happening? Now here's the thing. And that's why
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  I think I why appreciate this trailer. I know someone had said, you
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  know, they're they're holding their reservations because DC can make really good trailers,
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  and then you see the movie and it's shite. Man a Steel trailer is
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  still so good? Yeah? How and and that may or may not be
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  true to vary. I still like man is still I don't care why anybody
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  says, you're watching that ship the other day and with Superman and the Kryptonians
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  are fighting in the middle of town. Do all that shit is so little?
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  Yeah? Now, whether or not that is a one hundred percent that
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  all the trailers, you know, like the actual movies paleing comparison to the
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  trailers, I just think for me, I got genuine reaction out of it,
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  like I because this could go off real corny, real fast, right,
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  And I didn't get corny whatsoever from the trailers especially, And I used
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  that scene about the bus because it's like you can feel like this boy is
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  like what the fuck is going on? You know, right, And that
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  was funny to me because that's that's all even lightweight Deadpool stuff, right,
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  like something is happening around you and you can't do shit about it. And
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  I funk with that, and then the whole to me, it was a
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  call to the Exorcist where he's being pulled up into the ceiling and you know,
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  getting covered up with all this uh you know, beetle transformation or whatever.
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  So um, it just it just looked genuine And I think that's why
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  I gravitated towards liking this and being like excited for the film to come out,
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  because it seems like they're actually acting, you know what I mean,
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  Like they're doing it, they're trying, they're doing a good job. There's
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  there's potentially well written stuff. We will see what happens when it actually comes
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  out. Yes, And I'm also excited for a few reasons because, like
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  I said, I'm a fan of her from Young Justice. From what I
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  understand, the villains in the film are going to be Ted's Chords, sister
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  Victoria Chord, and this other dude, the Invincible Man or some shit.
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  I have no idea, never heard of this cat before in my life,
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  and that was kind of disappointed for me. But I'm sure they're going to
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  get into this, maybe in a second film or something. But in Young
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  Justice, it's, you know, his enemies are more connected to the suit.
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  It's people coming back for the suits. So these aliens and one in
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  particular who wears a suit but he's an alien underneath it. And his name
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  is the Black Beetle because obviously the suits all black. And his voices by
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  Victor Grievous grieving I'm not sure you pronounced that grievous. He's a famous voice
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  Apple, He's done everything, but my man as Black Beetle is just one
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  of the greatest performances of all time. To me. He calls everybody meat
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  bags and other ship. You know, He's like, you know, humans
• 24:15
  are meat bags, and it's just this ill amazing voice. And I was
• 24:19
  really just hoping to see the character because he just does not give a shit
• 24:22
  about everyone. He just thinks everyone is beneath him. And he was so
• 24:26
  ill and arrogant, but then also so confident and so you know, well
• 24:30
  versed in the suit when he fought Blue Beetle, all the time he was
• 24:33
  just serving him because he knew how to do all the trips with the suit,
• 24:37
  and Blue Beetle still learning it. But I'm hoping why I've hope for
• 24:41
  a second film is because they're tying this in to the original Blue Beetle as
• 24:45
  well, and James Dunn is doing a Booster Gold film, and Booster Gold
• 24:52
  and Blue Beetle were partners at one point. I mean, that's like,
• 24:56
  that's their big partnership, you know, one of the big partnerships in DC
• 24:59
  Blue and Gold. You know, Blue Beetle and Booster Gold, and Booster
• 25:03
  Gold comes from the future. So people are saying maybe an in credit scene
• 25:07
  or something, Booster Gold shows up looking for Blue Beetle, because I don't
• 25:11
  know Ted Cord is in this at all. I think it's a lot of
• 25:14
  references to him, but I'm not sure. You know, he's not in
• 25:17
  the trailer. They haven't announced anyone playing him, so I don't know if
• 25:19
  he's even in the film. So maybe Booster shows up and then that connected
• 25:23
  the Booster Gold film, and then Blue Beetle does well and we get a
• 25:27
  second film with a Mexican superhero because you know we would be nice. Yeah,
• 25:33
  we shall see, but yeah, I'm feeling it. What else we
• 25:37
  got? Now? We also have the trailer from Marvel's Secret Invasion, which
• 25:44
  drops June twenty first. If I'm not mistaken on Disney Plus, this is
• 25:51
  the first trailer from it. As someone on Twitter informed us, this is
• 25:56
  not the actor who was in Dungeons and Drafts. There are two different black
• 26:02
  as, right, And someone said that's probably been on me who commented you
• 26:07
  lying? So it's not red Jed Jean Page. No, it's not in
• 26:14
  this. It's not what it is, and it's not what's the other guy?
• 26:17
  Um No, that's not him. You thought it was him. They
• 26:18
  don't look like that at me, Sam when that man posted them pictures together.
• 26:23
  If they don't do a Buddy cop movie or a brother's movie at some
• 26:26
  point, maybe cousins movie. But I knew it. I knew immediately that
• 26:32
  wasn't That wasn't Bridgeton so as you call him, So why wasn't I corrected
• 26:36
  on the show. You just don't let me run through because I said that
• 26:38
  on the show. I was like, I don't remember that happening. I
• 26:42
  might have been laughing about something. I don't remember you saying he was too
• 26:45
  busy raking dudgeons and dragons chords. That's probably what happened. I probably so
• 26:52
  weirded out by what the fuck I saw, but I am like I said,
• 26:55
  yeah, I'm gonna see it again. You got to. Uh.
• 26:57
  But back to this trailer. We have the Secret Invasion trailer from Marvel dropping
• 27:03
  June twenty first on Disney Plus. Uh. Kobe Smolders, who plays Um
• 27:07
  agent Maria Hill, has talked about how this series is a bunch of normal
• 27:14
  people up against you know, superpowered or aliens or whatever. Like. There
• 27:18
  aren't any real powered heroes on the heroes side, so that should be interesting.
• 27:25
  This is kind of a first for Marvel, and you know, let's
• 27:27
  see the trailer and then we'll talk about it afterwards. Well, I mean,
• 27:32
  he got he's got skills, but he ain't got no powers. But
• 27:36
  he he was also fighting goons. What these niggas fighting the fight the strolls,
• 27:42
  nigga, Well, what's this trailer? These niggas ain't just goods niggas.
• 27:48
  These niggas got powers. You've been gone, things have gotten march Worth,
• 28:12
  how do you think I came back? Well? Agree, you're in
• 28:21
  no shape for this fight that lies before us. Old friend. I can't
• 28:27
  believe you said he was Ridgar dead. Hey, I haven't seen Bridgeon either,
• 28:32
  So this is personal. Very few of us know about the wars fought
• 28:40
  in the shadows that have raged on this planet. Do you feel responsible?
• 28:53
  Where are the Avengers? This war is one I have to fight. You're
• 29:10
  the most wanted man on the planet. You don't know what they have planned?
• 29:17
  Fen great neck fury, one last fight? Pop your collar? I
• 29:45
  need to put that out never since I can't remember, uh, your your
• 29:51
  Bridgeton's cousin. His name is Kingsley Benarder okay um, and that was Amelia
• 29:56
  Cork, Yes it is, that is dearest, Denarest, Danny, Danny
• 30:03
  in this hole, Danny Targarian up in this So this is some of the
• 30:07
  best actors you know all around the Marvel's had in the production. Like straight
• 30:11
  up we saw Everett Ross, He's bad. Um, you know, James
• 30:15
  Rhodes, he's bad. Who's Surety in the red which one the one that
• 30:22
  was like old friend, Yes, Olivia Coleman, Yeah, she's an incredible
• 30:26
  actress. Who is she playing, Sonia Fallsworth? No idea? Oh Fasworth
• 30:32
  Faworth oh um, that's oh shit, that's union Jack. She's related to
• 30:38
  the Union Jack. Union Jack as a character. The Fallsworth family is like
• 30:44
  they go back to World War two and stuff. They're British and so related
• 30:48
  to Captain Britten. Type shit. No, Captain Britten is another family.
• 30:52
  Captain Britten is the Yeah, yeah, I mean do they have they was
• 30:56
  working with each other, Not really. I'm sure they've had stories for they
• 31:00
  across up at some point, but more so Union Jack as a whole other
• 31:03
  character. Union Jack was like, uh, the Britain's answer to Captain America.
• 31:07
  He has a dope. Yeah, well, Captain Britton is like the
• 31:11
  magical answer to I don't know what we got in America because we ain't got
• 31:15
  no magic. Captain Britten's more like a modern day King Arthur. You know,
• 31:19
  that's who he's supposed to represent, sword and all that type of stuff.
• 31:22
  Ain't some magic, while Union Jack is the dude he got the dope.
• 31:26
  Union Jacks. You gotta google more. We'll get him up on the
• 31:30
  screen. But my man had the pistol by the side, and he put
• 31:33
  in work and he didn't have no super soldier serum or nothing. He was
• 31:36
  just a dude, you know, putting in work. And so his nigga
• 31:40
  from the ends. Yeah yeah, and then his son or nephew carried on,
• 31:44
  you know, in the modern era and became Union Jack. I'm not
• 31:47
  sure who Sonia is, but that's a dopey oh man, I love Tomorrow
• 31:51
  pulling all this different shit. Valentina's back, ye, Julia, Louis Dreyfus,
• 31:56
  a bunch of a bunch of other people. Yeah, this is you
• 31:59
  said at it um. This is definitely feels in the Vein of Falcon and
• 32:01
  the Winter Soldier. But would higher stakes yes, um, you know not.
• 32:06
  I know you didn't really fuck with the what what was a terrorist group?
• 32:09
  Name the organization? You you they there was a time when you were
• 32:15
  like they were irrelevant. You were like, the flash matches ain't doing shit.
• 32:20
  I mean they wasn't they got blowing up in the that's I was like
• 32:23
  higher stakes because you know their rain was shorter than But um not, No,
• 32:31
  this this is that kind of Jason Bourne type thriller energy to me,
• 32:37
  and so you know, and I'm looking I like that, you know,
• 32:39
  I like where And it's just interesting because it's always especially when all this time
• 32:44
  it's gone by, it seems like Marvel has taken on more of the persona
• 32:47
  of the things that we would get mad at DC about about being too dark.
• 32:51
  When Marvel's starting to kind of go in a darker direction, but they
• 32:53
  still have relevant story. And then now DC is coming up with stuff that's
• 32:58
  a little bit more just brighter and story, more fun and things like that.
• 33:01
  So we're kind of seeing that that switch off happened, which I think
• 33:05
  is it works right, It works for certain stories, it works with certain
• 33:08
  audiences. And the fact that this is on gonna be on Disney Plus means
• 33:13
  they're gonna have more runway to actually give you more information right about what's going
• 33:17
  on. And then obviously this is going to lead into the next phase of
• 33:21
  Marvel films. How many do we know, how many episodes it's gonna be
• 33:25
  art six or nine? Oh damn, that's it? Yeah, I know,
• 33:30
  right, Well, let me not say that's it, because that's all
• 33:34
  you need. That's all you need, That's all you need. Six great.
• 33:37
  If it's you know, forty five minutes to an hour per episode,
• 33:39
  well, and that's all I need. You think it's gonna be an hour
• 33:43
  per episode, it better be forty five to an hour. It's a drama,
• 33:46
  you know, six episodes confirmed? Yeah, with a forty five to
• 33:50
  an hour. Yeah, it's a drama. They're gonna lean towards that side
• 33:53
  of thing. It's not gonna be thirty minutes, I doubt. Yeah,
• 33:57
  I'm super hype. A lot of people know the Secret of Age storyline from
• 34:00
  the comics. This will obviously be radically different because the Secret invasion from the
• 34:04
  comments of all the Scrolls replacing a bunch of heroes and they've been there for
• 34:08
  years now. This is also dealing with the fact that Nick furies, I
• 34:13
  mean, Samuel has talked about how this series is dealing with why Nick left,
• 34:16
  which was the death of everyone you know, all like Tony Black Widow,
• 34:22
  these people dying, and so he was like, yo, I got
• 34:23
  to get out of here. I can't deal with this ship. Well,
• 34:25
  technically an MCU having the Scrolls been there for years as well, Yes,
• 34:29
  because because as Captain Marvel, Yeah, the Captain Marvel film from the nineties.
• 34:34
  Yeah, and then in the nineties Fury promised to find them a new
• 34:38
  world. But what happened with that? And that's what they're saying, maybe
• 34:42
  the promises didn't go was kept. So now there's a bunch of scrolls still
• 34:46
  on Earth who have infiltrated since the nineties, right, and now they're coming
• 34:51
  out in the MCU Timine is like twenty twenty five or something like that.
• 34:53
  Yeah, right, so they've been there, Yeah for a good time.
• 34:58
  Families, all that type of shit, you know, probably kids with humans.
• 35:00
  Who knows what's going on at this point. Yeah, So I'm hype.
• 35:07
  I love the score of that trailer, you know, because that really
• 35:09
  gave it that. Yeah, and Marvel knows how to you know, just
• 35:17
  like DC, but Marvel really knows how to put together a trailer. You
• 35:21
  know. That shit got me super hype. Uh. Something else I wanted
• 35:24
  to mention about this joint we're gonna get Samuel say, I'm too old to
• 35:29
  do this shit About that sam with the fifth beard had me rolling. That
• 35:35
  was crazy. That shot at him with the fifth beard when he had the
• 35:37
  hat off, Yeah, looking like a professor at Howard that African American states
• 35:46
  Look, we had Bill Duke as one of our professors when I was there,
• 35:50
  so you know it happens though. I mean, Flicia was shot up
• 35:52
  there right now, right right, yeah, Samuel, it might be there
• 35:57
  one day. You never know, you never know, never know. But
• 36:00
  yeah, I you know, we're bat in two for two right now.
• 36:04
  Like this was this was a good trailer. This is I was ready.
• 36:07
  I think I mentioned that this was one of I thought it was quantum Media.
• 36:10
  I was wrong. This is one of the most important pieces of the
• 36:15
  next phase of the MCU. So, um, I'm really excited for it.
• 36:22
  You talk um that I am majis I mean, am I wrong in
• 36:27
  saying that? No? Damn it, no, no, no, that
• 36:30
  shit could have been learn nothing, nothing at all. Um, what I
• 36:36
  wanted to say, we should. You're talking about how like the switch over
• 36:37
  to the darker. And I also think it's that Marble is now at the
• 36:39
  point where they've done so much that they can just do random different things,
• 36:44
  you know, and DC is still like trying to figure out what to do,
• 36:46
  and so they're like, let's do iron Man, you know, basically
• 36:52
  like the Mexican you know. And it's not hate, it's like it's not
• 36:57
  hate, but come on, that whole was ironed man to the fun doctor
• 37:00
  Fate. That was the other problem I even had with the trailer. The
• 37:06
  voice of the Blue Beetles suit in Justice League is much more masterlin than it
• 37:10
  is feminine. It is it is And yeah, and I was that felt
• 37:14
  to start. Yeah, it felt to Tony start to me that a woman
• 37:17
  as a voice. But why that feel too? I mean, well,
• 37:20
  that's that's okay. But Jarvis was like the last voice that Jarvis is the
• 37:25
  most what's the word I'm trying to Yeah, so I guess they wanted to
• 37:30
  go away from dar Yeah, like, yeah, you heard like the pepper
• 37:32
  Pots esque voice, but then it became Jarvis's voice, like like prominently Jarvis
• 37:37
  got ate up and became vision and didn't Yeah yeah, yeah, but when
• 37:39
  honestly, when I think of the voice, and I I only think of
• 37:44
  Jarvis's voice, I don't think of I think. I think I think of
• 37:47
  a woman more because of a spider Man when he had the woman in his
• 37:51
  who you know, so it was like there was a lot of Scottish ladies.
• 37:53
  Yeah. So yeah, but back to Secret Invasion, I think Marvel
• 37:59
  is just now at the point where they can just do all these various different
• 38:01
  type of things. I mean, they did it already, we went a
• 38:05
  soldier, but now they can really lean into it and be like, because
• 38:07
  I don't think we're gonna see Roadie in his suit, I hope we don't,
• 38:10
  you know, I don't need to. Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 38:13
  We're gonna have We're gonna have armor awards like yeah. So yeah,
• 38:19
  I hope that they keep this now. I don't want to say grounded.
• 38:22
  I hate using that phrase, but I just hope they keep it where the
• 38:24
  protagonists at least don't have superpowers. Yeah, is this supposed to follow?
• 38:29
  Like, is this like supposed to follow the current timeline? So like this
• 38:34
  comes right after the events of People pointed out things in the trailer, like
• 38:38
  the newspaper is talking about the Battle of New York, which is the first
• 38:44
  Avengers film. The French newspaper that drops from the trailer, it says,
• 38:47
  live out the New York. So that's the first Battle of New York.
• 38:52
  So they're going backwards. Remember, these dudes been here, so they got
• 38:55
  to show you how long they've been here, what they've been doing, all
• 38:59
  that stuff. So and then remember the blip happened, So that's probably a
• 39:02
  big thing to them where they're like, you know, that probably thought the
• 39:05
  most. They're gonna have to show you that, No, that wasn't in
• 39:07
  this. In the Dare Devil, there's a shot of on some blip action,
• 39:10
  so that might take place in the blip, but they're definitely going to
• 39:14
  show you what the scrolls have been up, Davil. You mean you mean
• 39:16
  hope. Yeah, there's some people have gotten set shots where it the something
• 39:25
  was happening during the blip. You fucking spies, y'all be out there that
• 39:30
  ain't be out there, They're be out there. So that's for our secret
• 39:35
  nation, I mean secret in secret nation. I mean it is a secret
• 39:38
  nation as well, you know what I mean, Fear of a green planet,
• 39:42
  folks, an American drama. Secret Nation now. But that is our
• 39:55
  trailer review of Secret Invasion coming in June twenty f It's on Disney Plus.
• 40:01
  Thank you very much for joining us for that, and stick around because we
• 40:07
  now have the one and only Julian Elijah Martinez Divine on Wu Tang and American
• 40:15
  Saga now on Hulu joining us right after this, Yo, yo, Yo,
• 40:23
  it should wait l March. I'm tuned in to four All Nerds.
• 40:28
  What's up? For everyone? It's your girl fantastic Frankie. I'm listening to
• 40:31
  four All Nerds. What's up? What's up? This is e Man and
• 40:36
  I'm listening to four All Nerds Teams of Elevation. Everybody. My name is
• 40:40
  Crown and you are now listening to four All Nerds. What's up? Everybody's
• 40:45
  destroy Jeffreyan and you're watching four All Nerves and what's up, y'all? And
• 41:05
  welcome back to this very extremely special episode of Before All Nerds show. And
• 41:10
  it's always been bringing you that heat, and tonight is no different because we
• 41:15
  are welcoming you know. This is his second time on the show. Julie
• 41:22
  and Elijah Martinez a star staging screen a long time. For All Nerds familiar
• 41:28
  probably know him as Divine, the manager of the Woo Tang Plan on Wou
• 41:31
  Tang, an American drama in its final season American soccer, Well, it's
• 41:43
  American Socca and American drama, boy, because there's a lot of drama on
• 41:45
  that show. So you know, welcome mister Martinez back to the spaceship tonight
• 41:54
  welcome back, so happy to have you as well. That for me it
• 41:58
  was purposeful when he's an American drama because that shit is ridiculous, y'all dramatic,
• 42:02
  very dramatic, um dramatization of some real life stuff. But also it's
• 42:07
  some real life hardship, right, like hardships. I mean it's lots of
• 42:13
  love, it's lots of dramas, lots of anger, like it's all the
• 42:15
  emotions. And as Benami said, like this has become critically acclaimed, it
• 42:22
  has you know, gotten this props to just do. I mean we're here
• 42:24
  for three whole seasons, right, A lot of places for excuse me,
• 42:28
  four but three three three just three but four years four years but a lot
• 42:35
  of and a lot of people, a lot of a lot of properties don't
• 42:38
  even get past one. So you know, we want to definitely congratulate you
• 42:43
  on that, Like that's a blessing number one first and foremost, right,
• 42:46
  um, And I mean I like it's been a Watson's you've been here since
• 42:51
  you've talked about yourself on Wu Tang, how you talked about how everything has
• 42:55
  changed, and we really want to know, like how has things been and
• 43:00
  since like the very beginning till now. Yeah, well you know, between
• 43:05
  we went through a pandemic. That was before pandemic. So yeah, I
• 43:14
  mean like it's it's well one. The show. The show has been a
• 43:16
  blessing. I mean it. I was joking that it's been it felt like
• 43:21
  five years, but it has been four years of my life. And um
• 43:23
  wu Tang was literally the first big show that I've ever done. So um
• 43:29
  that from that led to Law and Order and my stint there. Um so
• 43:32
  it's led to other opportunities, you know. Um So it has been just
• 43:36
  an amazing blessing, an amazing journey. Um and so it's a little bit
• 43:39
  of sweet, you know, coming to the final, the finale on Wednesday,
• 43:44
  and um you know, me and Divine have had a couple of meetings
• 43:50
  and this is a person who who I've gotten to know has been sitting in
• 43:52
  the back of my head and you know, I've listened to his voice almost
• 43:55
  every day for four years, you know what I mean. The Rizza has
• 44:00
  been somebody who I saw and set almost every day, you know. So
• 44:05
  these are these are all people who have been a part of my life and
• 44:07
  a part of my story, and so um yeah, I actually just got
• 44:12
  done having uh day drinks with my mom and Marcus Calendar who plays Power.
• 44:16
  So like, yeah, this is you know, this, this is family,
• 44:21
  you know what I mean in a lot of ways. Yeah, that's
• 44:22
  what's up. How has it been on the street, Like the reception of
• 44:25
  people on the street when they see you, do you be like, oh
• 44:28
  that's the vine? Like do you be getting at like do people are crazy?
• 44:31
  I get I get a double take because I don't have to you know,
• 44:35
  I don't have a pronom right, yeah, so I get a double
• 44:37
  take and I get a I gotta always get a point, you get.
• 44:44
  I mean the you know decap you mean with it like that's that one exactly.
• 44:50
  Yeah. Yeah, and they'll they'll what they'll do too, is that
• 44:52
  they don't quite know me. Like initially they'll start listening off black shows.
• 44:57
  So you you the dude in Power. No, you're the dude in the
• 45:00
  wire. No, no, no, you you're the dude and live in
• 45:05
  Color. And I'm like, we think, right, I love you,
• 45:13
  God, I love you. So yeah, it's been a blust Yeah,
• 45:19
  of course. I mean and you you've actually mentioned and maybe this is just
• 45:22
  one of the things, but we were just curious, like with the show
• 45:24
  coming to close, like what would you consider one of your favorite memories of
• 45:29
  some of your favorite memories on the show. You mentioned you're seeing risa like
• 45:31
  on a everyday basis almost right, or every very frequently, Like, is
• 45:37
  there some some things that have been during this process that you're going to really
• 45:40
  hold near and dear to your heart. I think it's just been the camaraderie,
• 45:45
  you know what I mean, Like, I don't think Marcus says this
• 45:47
  all the time. I don't think you're ever gonna get a show with like
• 45:52
  these amounts of like young black men all together, you know what I mean
• 45:58
  to get you know, at all at a at a similar stage in our
• 46:01
  career. So you know, there was a lot of cutting up. There
• 46:05
  was a lot of uh, you know, there's there's there was some arguments
• 46:07
  too, There was some there some difficult conversations, but there was also a
• 46:12
  lot of laughter and a lot of fun and a lot of joy and um
• 46:15
  and in a lot of ways, these are my brothers, you know what
• 46:17
  I'm saying, And so like that in and of itself, I'm really gonna
• 46:21
  miss um. I think like doing episode three, you know, doing the
• 46:27
  spoiler for folks who haven't seen episode three where we do like a black mutation
• 46:30
  episode for the ODB. I returned to the thirty six Chambers album like that
• 46:36
  was just we had so much fun. Who may have had a little bit
• 46:38
  too much fun, you know, according to according to my grandma, who
• 46:42
  was like, I don't know what y'all were doing, but but like like
• 46:47
  we just like we you know what I mean, like just have just have
• 46:51
  an ability to play and play for ten and just you know, and just
• 46:53
  seeing the range of what these brothers can do, you know what I mean,
• 46:57
  Like um, and really I think this season in particularly really just allowed
• 47:00
  us just to like flax and just to stretch and just to really express ourselves
• 47:06
  in a really wonderful way, you know what I mean. Bro. When
• 47:08
  you showed up in the Wig in episode three, I almost lost my ship
• 47:14
  though. I was like, Yo, this man looking like he's straight out
• 47:17
  not even shafts straight out of the Mac Dog. You was looking like the
• 47:22
  Mac right there, like Goldie himself with the Wig. God, Bro,
• 47:25
  I was quite impressed. Yeah, that was the point they wanted me to
• 47:30
  be. Ron O'Neil, did you you did it? You did it?
• 47:34
  To a t bro. I was like, Yo, this man could play
• 47:37
  a young ron O'Neill. They do the ron O'Neill doc right here. Yeah,
• 47:43
  Like you know, for listeners who know when you were the first when
• 47:45
  you aren't here the first time. I am one of the biggest fans of
• 47:50
  Wu Tang, you know, like it goes back obviously with the Woutane plan
• 47:53
  in itself, and then when the show came out, I had such high
• 47:58
  anticipation and it's plantations because the documentary had just dropped. That ship was incredible
• 48:04
  and Wu Tang means so much, you know, to hip hop, and
• 48:07
  I was just like, yo, please let this ship be good. And
• 48:10
  then you know he's honest, and then it was fucking great. Like I
• 48:17
  told you. I remember I was sitting on the train one day and I
• 48:20
  was just like, yah, I wish Wu Tang could be on every day.
• 48:22
  You know. I just felt like just shows that I just and as
• 48:30
  it's going on, you you know, there have been episodes. I want
• 48:32
  to ask you one, like, um, all right, first I'll ask
• 48:36
  you this, what was your favorite episode? Not even I know you know
• 48:39
  you had your big episode, which we will get to, but what was
• 48:43
  your personal favorite episode of the show. Still my personal favorite is the episode
• 48:49
  in season two where we first started really getting like, um surreal, Well,
• 48:54
  I think they're going to like Risk's head and there, you know what
• 48:59
  I mean, and like being able to like like visually articulate like how a
• 49:06
  producer like selects samples and how producer chops and screw samples, you know what
• 49:09
  I mean. Like I think was I think, for me, very very
• 49:13
  special and still to this day when I watched the episode, I think we
• 49:15
  were hitting something, you know what I mean, and allowed us to do
• 49:20
  the more different episodes that we get to season three, to allow us to
• 49:23
  do the you know, the Cuban lanes, allows us to do the ODB
• 49:27
  stuff, allowed us to do the liquid sorts, you know. So still
• 49:30
  to this day, I think that's my favorite. And then I also love
• 49:34
  m Demani and Jay Kwan and Eyota's episode which was Inspected Decks and you guys,
• 49:43
  that's the Killer's episode because it just it was so subtle. It was
• 49:46
  so settled and personal and about families and ultimately, like the Wu Tanks clan
• 49:52
  stories, the story of families like they're all cousins or brothers or you know,
• 49:58
  first removed or best friends from down the block, and like you really
• 50:01
  saw that in that episode. You saw the fact that these are families that
• 50:04
  are trying to like despite all of the you know, all the drama,
• 50:08
  despite all the money, despite all of the like the glob of the globe
• 50:12
  prodding things and the aesthetically thing, at the end of the day, these
• 50:15
  are these are just people who are who are really trying to like provide for
• 50:19
  the families and really trying to tell this the stories of their families. You
• 50:22
  know. Um, so that those two episodes have been my favorite so far.
• 50:27
  Yeah, no, definitely. Oh but something's coming with the final you
• 50:30
  got the finale, got something? It's done a drop probably after the finale.
• 50:40
  Yeah, oh shit. Then then spoiler, I ain't seen it.
• 50:47
  Yeah, I haven't seen it. You know, we haven't seen it.
• 50:51
  We haven't seen it. But like but like, but like that ass just
• 50:54
  follow our instagram because we stayed spoiling ship on our instagram. Who's Paul one
• 51:00
  of my instagrams. It'll be spoiled for you because like my personal favor was
• 51:07
  easily that ris An episode because just like you said, it was something when
• 51:09
  I was watching it and I'm like, oh shit, even motherfucker's went there,
• 51:13
  and it was something as a writer and as a creator and as a
• 51:16
  DJ, as a producer, as all these things. It fucked me up
• 51:20
  so much because I was like, God damn it, somebody beat me to
• 51:22
  it. You know, first of all, as a writer, somebody beat
• 51:24
  me to it. And not only did they beat me to it, they
• 51:27
  did it in a way where I was like, fuck, I don't know
• 51:29
  if I'd have thought of it that way. And that was brilliant, you
• 51:32
  know, that was like beyond brilliant, Like I have so much respect for
• 51:36
  that episode. But then like, yeah, and like you said, how
• 51:38
  they started doing like the um the JSU episode this season when you did the
• 51:44
  whole movie about him, you know, doing Liquid Swords and how he was
• 51:46
  like, y'all, I have to have the family together on this album and
• 51:50
  it maybe go back and listen to Liquid Swords and realize, yeah, he
• 51:52
  got everyone back together for that one. And then the Ghost Face when like
• 51:58
  it had me in tears at the end of that episode when he's sitting there
• 52:00
  with his shorty and he plays her all that I got is you, and
• 52:05
  it's like, God damn, that song you know, because it brought me
• 52:08
  right back to when that song came out and how it crushed me back then.
• 52:13
  And like she said, this is the man I fell in love with
• 52:15
  and not a world gets to see it. Sounds like like you said,
• 52:17
  all these personal family moments and then telling the story to Wou Tang, Like
• 52:22
  that's another question I want to know, like did you grow up on Wu
• 52:25
  Tang where you were a fan of Woutang before this? Yeah, I mean
• 52:29
  I think and I think back, They'll have to go back and see what
• 52:34
  I said. So if I contradict myself, like apologized, but back in
• 52:37
  the day, it actually was. So the day Chappelle show was was hidden
• 52:45
  right at that high school and he first did that sketch with the Wu Tang
• 52:51
  clan. So that was the first time I was like exposed to like what
• 52:53
  I was like, Wu Tang Tang. And of course we have the shirts,
• 52:55
  like you know, you can go to Hot Topic and buybe Wu Tang
• 52:58
  shirt, right, you know what I mean? And then the Boondocks episode
• 53:01
  with the blind Nigga swordsman, yeah, yeah and so, and they had
• 53:07
  guillotines on it, and I was like, and I'm listening to it,
• 53:10
  I'm like, what is this? And I'm all right, this song is
• 53:14
  fired? Oh wait wait this is who ghost space k what? And so
• 53:17
  then my boy, my best friend, burned me a copy of Cuban Links,
• 53:22
  but he got to give me the first song, so I thought it
• 53:25
  would not only started on track two. So when someone someone Spotify to Spotify
• 53:31
  and I'm like, what is this song? This is a special edition so
• 53:42
  really what that? That was the trajectory it really started, you know,
• 53:45
  because we had a we had a bit of a return to nineties hip hop
• 53:51
  in the early two thousands, you know, especially when like bat pack ramping,
• 53:53
  rapping was happening. It was kind of a return back to listening to
• 53:59
  that stuff, you know, yea, yeah, yeah. What doing this
• 54:02
  project was something about Woultang that you didn't that you learned that you didn't know
• 54:06
  about before. Oh man, um one. I didn't realize like how much
• 54:12
  of a stranglehold they had on the markets from about was it ninety two nineties
• 54:16
  three to ninety seven, you know what I mean? Because they were dropping
• 54:20
  hits after hits, after hits after hits. So I wasn't you know,
• 54:23
  I wasn't aware of that. I didn't. I wasn't. I didn't realize
• 54:28
  like how many of them there were. I still don't know if I know
• 54:31
  how many fifty people? And they keep adding more and more, like I
• 54:37
  know, I had a coming out of the wood works, like oh,
• 54:38
  this person, this person, this person. There's a great book that I
• 54:42
  read, um called from the Streets to Shalloon. I don't know if no
• 54:47
  I read that one. Yeah, and I read it right. I forgot
• 54:51
  the name of the person who who wrote it. But it's a really great
• 54:53
  book and what it does break down the history of woud Tang. But then
• 54:57
  it also goes through each and every album and that every album. Yeah,
• 55:04
  it's a really really great book and through it's very it has a lot of
• 55:07
  lot of information to you know what I mean. I've been I've been day
• 55:09
  drinking a little bit, so I would have more. This is good the
• 55:15
  Elijah're gonna talk to you, Okay. So all right, that being said,
• 55:22
  we did know, like this season you had this episode as defined that
• 55:27
  where you know, it was centered around you. I was so happy to
• 55:30
  see it. You know, you got to shine everything. And at the
• 55:34
  same time, this is one of the most stressful, wild, phenomenal phenomenal
• 55:40
  writing in direction and also obviously are acting from you. But that was stress
• 55:45
  and I felt it pour through the screen. Oh that's great, that great,
• 55:50
  that's that was the when I was speaking to the director, she really
• 55:52
  really wanted to emphasize that. So the way that it's shot, especially the
• 55:58
  UM. So what they did is they struck a camera on my body so
• 56:02
  that way, yeah, yeah, so we can get we can really narrow
• 56:07
  in. Um. They really wanted to make him very claustrophobic. UM.
• 56:10
  A lot of the shots are like close in or angles, you know what
• 56:14
  I mean. So it was very The whole point of that episode was really
• 56:16
  trying to ratch it up the strength, the stress as much as they can.
• 56:21
  Yeah, when did you first find out that there would be an episode
• 56:23
  around Divine? They told me, well, Rizza told me since the season
• 56:30
  one. He's like, oh I got something, you got something, And
• 56:35
  I was like, I was like where, I don't know if you know,
• 56:45
  but there ain't no fourth season, but they had also they don't at
• 56:51
  the top of the At the top of the season, UM, I sat
• 56:54
  down with Divine. He talked to me a little bit about what the directory
• 56:57
  they were going, and then UM, Is also sat down with all of
• 57:00
  us and told all of us that this season, we're really going to try
• 57:04
  to give everybody an opportunity, you know what they want. They wanted to
• 57:07
  kind of send us off with something that we as actors had with everybody gets
• 57:15
  everybody gets a spotlight at one point in time, which is also a very
• 57:19
  serendipicous to what they do, what they did as a group, you know
• 57:22
  what. I'm right, Yeah, that was very perfect because like you know,
• 57:25
  you got your episode, Power gets His with the Wuwear everything they're going
• 57:30
  through, and then how they did each of the albums and then you know,
• 57:32
  we're ending on Wu Tane Forever. And I just thought that was so
• 57:36
  perfect because I was, you know, like a heavy fan. I was
• 57:38
  around, I was getting all those albums as they came out, and it
• 57:44
  was, like you said, it was, it was a crazy time.
• 57:45
  I remember when they announced the name Utane Forever and I was like, oh
• 57:49
  shit, like that's some shit. I remember telling my boys like, yo,
• 57:52
  that's some shit. Like they did this run and now they're coming back
• 57:55
  with Woutane Forever, Like there's there, you know, that's word is power,
• 58:00
  like Wou Tang is forever, you know, And I was like,
• 58:02
  Yo, that's crazy that they got this double album. And then Triumph came
• 58:06
  out and you hear this sound and it's like, what the flying fuck?
• 58:10
  You know? This is Woutang forever type shit, right? I mean I
• 58:17
  was, I was on I mean I was on TikTok and this this young
• 58:21
  like French producer had a Wootang shirt on and had like, you know,
• 58:24
  fifteen million followers, so like in fifty millions or whatever, you know what
• 58:29
  I mean, Like, so it really is forever. I mean, like,
• 58:32
  fam, I don't know if I got the chance to tell you about
• 58:35
  this. My uncle Charles like my favorite uncle, right, Like I get
• 58:37
  so much stuff from this dude. Like he's a music head. His vinyl
• 58:40
  collection is insane, you know, always staying hip on shit, and I'm
• 58:46
  always talking about shows, music and everything. And before I was like,
• 58:50
  Yo, you know what you gotta do. You gotta watched the show Woutang.
• 58:52
  He was like, Ben, I've already seen every episode. I watched
• 58:58
  the documentary. He said, Ben, where do I go to get?
• 59:02
  You know? He's like he tried to listen to the album, but he
• 59:06
  wasn't sure what you know, order. So I was like, Okay,
• 59:07
  you can start with like inner or you can start with only built. You
• 59:10
  know, either one of those, you're good to go. So I'm sure
• 59:14
  he's listened to everything now. He was like, I gotta buy official merch,
• 59:17
  you know. And this is a seventy eight, seventy nine year old
• 59:21
  man, dog like and he is like no, And both of my uncles
• 59:24
  are heavy fiends, My uncle Charles and my uncle Ted like heavy on this
• 59:29
  whole. Oh yeah, I mean, it's just the lasting legacy. Like
• 59:36
  I mean, I I when I learn about U Tang, like I guess
• 59:38
  that was maybe early two thousands that point, right, So I'm way late
• 59:42
  in the game, right, being younger, not knowing much. But what
• 59:45
  you said was funny, Ben about it being forever because to me, like
• 59:49
  Woutang expanded beyond just like a group, right, it was an ideal it
• 59:52
  or is right still is right an idea. It's a it's a way of
• 59:58
  living. It's it's it's a you know, it's a joke. For some
• 1:00:00
  people, it's a it's you know that you know, WU tank. For
• 1:00:02
  the kids, it's like, you know, it's like this thing that keeps
• 1:00:06
  carrying on evolving through the decades and that and you know, regardless of what's
• 1:00:12
  high offense, you on that staying power is huge. So now alligah to
• 1:00:15
  see you as part of that because you're part of that legacy now, right,
• 1:00:17
  and then you know you you you're part of the Woltin client. Like
• 1:00:22
  I think, do you realize that you're like the sixty sent to member,
• 1:00:24
  Like I'm like a thousand and one like a lot of kids. Yeah,
• 1:00:32
  yeah, So I mean, I just I mean, I know you you
• 1:00:36
  know, I'm sure you've heard it's like over and over, but I just
• 1:00:37
  want that to be really take that in right, like, because you know,
• 1:00:43
  and I think that's really cool that the staff and the team and everyone
• 1:00:46
  wants to everyone to take away something from this, right, I mean obviously
• 1:00:51
  just the experience itself, but also something for your career, right, something
• 1:00:54
  that can say, hey, this is this is when he shined or he's
• 1:00:58
  shown the brightness, right, and this is how he works with other people
• 1:01:00
  in this and that. So you know, I just I with this episode
• 1:01:06
  again, this, this this was phenomenal, right, and this and this
• 1:01:07
  was something that for me I mentioned about seeing that stress, like it just
• 1:01:13
  made me think back to you as a person, right, like in real
• 1:01:16
  life, Like how you managing that stress? Like like Divine was about to
• 1:01:21
  pop bus all blood vessels, like he was hanging on by a thread.
• 1:01:24
  Right, So I'm like when that's you real life, whether it's through your
• 1:01:28
  acting or just found myself, Like, how are you handling stress? I
• 1:01:31
  mean I I so, I that's a good question. Are you drinking?
• 1:01:37
  Like no, no, So my birthday is around the corner and he you
• 1:01:44
  know, but but them. So I've learned. I learned. Um,
• 1:01:52
  this is gonna sound hoky, but I tend to. I try to meditate
• 1:01:55
  as much as you can, because I did. I struggled when I was
• 1:01:58
  younger, you know what I mean. Like I think a lot of young
• 1:02:00
  black men struggled with anger, A lot of young black people in general,
• 1:02:04
  like six men, six women, trans men, Transpoman and you know black
• 1:02:07
  people just in general. Um, I struggled with anger, and so I
• 1:02:10
  would I would pop off in a lot of ways. So I had to
• 1:02:15
  like growing up, I had to like really figure out how to manage that,
• 1:02:17
  you know. And so a lot of that is his meditation. A
• 1:02:21
  lot of that it's just moving my body a lot of that, it's you
• 1:02:22
  know, breathing. A lot of that is you know, reading, you
• 1:02:25
  know, and just you know being present as much as I can, you
• 1:02:29
  know what I'm saying. Um, But if I'm trying to learn lines,
• 1:02:34
  and you know, people know who are around me, They're like, Okay,
• 1:02:37
  this is the point in time when we're not talking to a logic,
• 1:02:40
  you know, because he when he's just pacing in his room talking to himself.
• 1:02:45
  Yeah, we we'll talk to him in twenty four hours a long time.
• 1:02:49
  So so you get to need your personal space, Yeah, you need.
• 1:02:52
  But I think I also like with that episode, we really to go
• 1:02:58
  back to the episode. I think we were really trying to showcase the amount
• 1:03:01
  of all the things that were on Divine's played, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:03:07
  and and all the things that Divine had to deal with to make him
• 1:03:10
  react the way that he would that he reacted, to make him do the
• 1:03:13
  things that he did, and the vine in and of himself. I think
• 1:03:19
  it compared to being a dramattation is I think a little bit more more.
• 1:03:22
  He managed to stress a little bit more than I show, you know what
• 1:03:25
  I mean. I think like we we really wanted to see him great.
• 1:03:30
  We wanted to see him at the end of his rope. We wanted to
• 1:03:34
  see him make a decision at the end of it, whether or not to
• 1:03:37
  continue on this journey or not, you know what I mean. So that
• 1:03:39
  way we can look, we can see what he is sacrificing to keep this
• 1:03:43
  group together. You know. Yeah, that point that point of view was
• 1:03:47
  insane. Like you mentioned it, like it's it's like it seems like certain
• 1:03:52
  decisions that should be easy or dragging, like you know, it's a beleaguer
• 1:03:55
  decision, you know, convincing one person to do a song with one of
• 1:03:59
  the biggest artists in the world, convincing people to have a conversation, to
• 1:04:02
  read a you know, a contract in the middle of a house party,
• 1:04:05
  you know, trying to please all the quote unquote masters if you will,
• 1:04:10
  you know, the Mattola's and the Geffens and all the other stuff. So
• 1:04:13
  it's just it was just very interesting to watch that, and I think even
• 1:04:16
  as an entry point for people like just to see that and see how much,
• 1:04:20
  as you mentioned, Divine was really dealing with right and and that dramatization
• 1:04:24
  or not, that's real life, and that's kind of like a microcosmo what
• 1:04:28
  you see a lot as you know, people dealing with artists who you know,
• 1:04:30
  and especially huge group artists like Conclaves artist that's that I can't even imagine
• 1:04:35
  having to deal with right right right, right right, and and you know,
• 1:04:39
  and and I think to go back to I think the I think and
• 1:04:44
  the big thing I think too is like and I think I mentioned this was
• 1:04:45
  is sacrifice, you know. I think like the fact that like at the
• 1:04:49
  end of the day, he chooses not to go to his daughter's birthday,
• 1:04:53
  you know, and um and and that and even though in that episode that's
• 1:04:58
  just one birthday, how many more birthdays does he miss before? Right right?
• 1:05:03
  How many more milestones does he miss? You know? And divine end
• 1:05:08
  of himself is a wonderful father, you know what I mean. I've talked
• 1:05:10
  to I talked to his daughter, I talked to his son like he's an
• 1:05:13
  absolute wonderful father. And he says something to me that I really am I'm
• 1:05:16
  taking away with for the rest of my life. He said, you know,
• 1:05:19
  when I when I passed, I want to be I want at my
• 1:05:24
  funeral. I want all my kids around at my funeral to look at me.
• 1:05:27
  And see that this person took care of me, each individual. He
• 1:05:30
  wants all his kids there and that is his legacy, you know what I
• 1:05:34
  mean, how he treated his kids, how his kids are taken care of,
• 1:05:38
  how his kids are are are able to have their lives and be able
• 1:05:42
  to you know, prosper you know, moving forward. And I thought that
• 1:05:45
  was very That's who he's working for. He's working for his family, he's
• 1:05:48
  working for his kids, he's working for his legacy, he's working for his
• 1:05:51
  name. You know. Yeah, in a lot of ways. Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Now, like you gave under the surface answer right there when you was talking
• 1:06:01
  about stress, but you're in an industry, as we know that it is
• 1:06:05
  very high stress, very high stakes. You know, it's cutthroat as hell.
• 1:06:10
  It can be all these different things. And like you said, this
• 1:06:13
  is your first big show, so for creatives, for people out there,
• 1:06:16
  like what was something that or how did you like learn to manage and deal
• 1:06:21
  with this industry that you're in now, Because now you're at a state where
• 1:06:25
  you know you're on law and order, you know you're getting these runs.
• 1:06:28
  I'm sure there's a lot of meetings, you know, things happening behind the
• 1:06:30
  scenes, counselor Jericho. Yeah, but before councilor Jericho, before Divine,
• 1:06:36
  you were out here, you know, hungry and working. So like,
• 1:06:40
  how do you manage that part of the business. I think like you have
• 1:06:44
  to remind yourself constantly, like why you got into it and not and it
• 1:06:46
  has to be it has to go pass the money, has to go pass
• 1:06:50
  the fam It has to go why you as a kid, first society to
• 1:06:55
  start acting. Whether that's be the teacher, the acting teacher that pulled you
• 1:06:58
  aside, but that be the TV show that you watched, the games that
• 1:07:02
  you used to play, the book that you read. You have to cark
• 1:07:05
  him back to that and that has to be there. You have to feel
• 1:07:10
  that has to be the engine that kind of drives you forward. I think,
• 1:07:14
  you know, we we we kind of get caught up in the superficial
• 1:07:18
  things of this business, and that's a sure far way to not only corrupt
• 1:07:24
  you, but to send you catering off in the wrong direction, you know.
• 1:07:28
  So I tend to try to keep that as my north start. Like
• 1:07:31
  at the end of the day, I do this because I like to tell
• 1:07:34
  stories, you know, And I do this because I've learned more about myself
• 1:07:40
  through the characters that I play. You know, when I'm doing I'm doing
• 1:07:44
  a play here in DC, and at the end of each player there's I
• 1:07:46
  have a cathartic moment, you know what I mean. Like, so I'm
• 1:07:49
  playing I'm playing Edmund and king Lear and and so I'm like at the end,
• 1:07:55
  like the way that we have this blocked, it's like I'm covered in
• 1:07:57
  blood and I'm like bleeding out at the end of the stage. So,
• 1:08:00
  um, at the at the show, I go, I go in a
• 1:08:02
  shower and and I'm watching my character blood kind of like come off me.
• 1:08:08
  And that's for me, It's a very kind of catharted moment. I'm looking
• 1:08:12
  at this person who who I am embodying for two and a half hours literally
• 1:08:15
  get washed down into the drain. And that is strangely deeply spiritual. You
• 1:08:20
  know. So the more that you can kind of tie it into that,
• 1:08:24
  you know what I mean, The more that you can tie it into something
• 1:08:26
  greater than yourself, I think that will point you in the right direction.
• 1:08:29
  You know. Um, if you if it becomes materialistic, if it becomes
• 1:08:33
  you know, if it becomes about the awards, it becomes about your followers.
• 1:08:38
  It becomes it's you're you're dead in the water. You're gonna last maybe
• 1:08:41
  four or five years, you know, because this industry is too it's too
• 1:08:45
  unpredictable. It's too unpredictable. Yeah, and it's it's and there's too much
• 1:08:53
  out of your hands, you know what I mean, there's too much.
• 1:08:56
  There's um and especially for creatives, were looked as um as products, and
• 1:09:05
  that can be a very difficult thing to kind of wrap your mind around if
• 1:09:09
  you don't have something bigger than yourself. Yeah, I hope that answer your
• 1:09:14
  question. I hope that wasn't just like no, that was a great answer,
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  and you know, and and also just very very obviously as creatives,
• 1:09:21
  whether whatever Spaceierman, whether there's music acting like you get that a lot.
• 1:09:26
  Like as a product, you're when's the next album coming out? When's the
• 1:09:30
  next l coming out? You know, like it's it's a NonStop situation.
• 1:09:32
  It's like, well, I have to get into the zone, and there's
• 1:09:35
  steps that take me to get there, and then I have to be inspired
• 1:09:39
  and so on and so forth. And they just want the bottom line,
• 1:09:41
  when's the next hit coming out? And then if you don't produce or you
• 1:09:44
  do produce and it sucks, doesn't get where they want it to be.
• 1:09:46
  Then you're you're on the ground, right, you're trash, and and they're
• 1:09:49
  moving on in the next And it's very Benam said cutthroat. It's a you
• 1:09:54
  know this, our society is not conducing into creating art, into creating art,
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  you know, like needing to produce for the sake of producing to in
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  order to in this it some sort of like funds I want to listen to,
• 1:10:08
  some sort of monetary exchange is not going to douce it for art,
• 1:10:11
  because you have to be able to fail for art, you know what I
• 1:10:13
  mean. You have to be able to take a big risk and and and
• 1:10:17
  just you know, fall flat on your face if you want to be an
• 1:10:20
  artist. You know. Um, however, especially in this industry where like
• 1:10:25
  if you fail, you're dumb, you know what I mean, if you
• 1:10:28
  do a bad audition, if you have a bad movie, if you da
• 1:10:30
  da da dada, you know what I mean. And and you're somehow looked
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  at as like a lester, you know. And and so you have to
• 1:10:38
  kind of continue to remind yourself, you have to continue to invest in yourself.
• 1:10:43
  It has to be a meditation. It has to be a practice,
• 1:10:45
  it has to be a craft. It has to be like yoga, you
• 1:10:48
  know what I mean. Because the more let you try to make it into
• 1:10:53
  some sort of race, into some sort of competitions, you're just you know,
• 1:10:58
  you're gonna be thirty five. I'm thirty five now. But he'll be
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  like, you'll be burnt out too early. Burnt out? Yeah, exactly,
• 1:11:06
  exactly. Well, I don't want to want to go back to that
• 1:11:11
  because I want to know what was the first thing that inspired you that made
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  you want to tell be a storyteller? Yeah, I mean Star Wars.
• 1:11:25
  I can see the best of us any particular to Star Wars in general,
• 1:11:31
  or there's a certain story or something. Well no, no, no,
• 1:11:34
  I'm kidding, I'm not kidding. But my my my high school teacher is
• 1:11:41
  what made me into a storyteller. Like what what's wonderful about the way that
• 1:11:45
  I was My upbringing is my I'm surrounded by artists. So my grandmother is
• 1:11:50
  as a dance satter, Harlem ballerina, and you know, my mother's a
• 1:11:55
  writer, and my father we were living my father was living in Sam's school,
• 1:12:00
  So I was surrounded by these like jazz artists and you know, these
• 1:12:02
  hippies and all this. So art had always been around, had kind of
• 1:12:06
  been around me, but it was actually my my high school teacher who would
• 1:12:12
  be my advocate. So when I was in high school, I was one
• 1:12:15
  of those kids who was really I was struggling. I was always suspended,
• 1:12:18
  I had terrible grades. I played lacrosse, but I was like third string
• 1:12:25
  and you know, but ked getting beat up by the team. So my
• 1:12:31
  my high school teach, my high school theater teacher, she would advocate for
• 1:12:36
  me when I went to the principal's office. She gave me something to do
• 1:12:40
  after school. She was the first person who said, you have something to
• 1:12:44
  offer this world. You have a talent, You're special, you know.
• 1:12:46
  I mean, she's the first one who gave me a responsibility. She gave
• 1:12:49
  me a big role, you know, to play and and that, and
• 1:12:56
  that inspired me to kind of move forward to kind of chase this business,
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  know what I mean. She was like, maybe you should go to school
• 1:13:01
  for and learn theater. When I was like, I didn't know what to
• 1:13:04
  do, what to do in school, you know what I mean? Um,
• 1:13:08
  So I really I really equate hurts being the person that kind of inspired
• 1:13:12
  me to try to be a storyteller. You know, yeah, that Lando
• 1:13:15
  calorism, you know, being the only brother, being the only brother in
• 1:13:19
  space. I was like, I won't be him, and he at a
• 1:13:21
  kate come on and yeah, like you know, let's let's not forget the
• 1:13:27
  Kate. Yeah, I'm one of your teacher knows about this, Like how
• 1:13:31
  you feel? Right well, she sh she passed, um I think in
• 1:13:38
  early twenty tens. So yeah, so a lot of what a lot of
• 1:13:43
  what I do? I try to I mentioned her and try to tell Livingstone
• 1:13:45
  was it's beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. So we gotta ask you know,
• 1:13:53
  we're gonna ask you. So you're gonna be in the next MCU film.
• 1:13:56
  Like what's going on? I mean, I gotta get enough this.
• 1:14:00
  I keep like, I keep posting, I keep posting silver Surfer thing on
• 1:14:03
  on Twitter, being like, yo, you know he could be a brother.
• 1:14:05
  You want to be trying to I've been yeah, but I've been thinking
• 1:14:13
  that since we met dog. I've been like, you know, envisioning because
• 1:14:16
  you know, if you let me step back so you can see, you
• 1:14:18
  know, Galactus behind me right here, you know, like thickets Galactus in
• 1:14:23
  the world. Yeah, my obsession is crazy with the character and everything.
• 1:14:27
  But since we met, I'm like, yo, he got that persona.
• 1:14:30
  You know you could do that. Calm cool Nora and rad like, you
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  know, you shaved the head, like you say, bloom bam, you
• 1:14:35
  good. I got this animated picture of Nouran Rabber. He looked black already.
• 1:14:40
  Anyway. He like, let's Luther. So I'm like, come on,
• 1:14:42
  let's go for it. Like you're just saying that because my head is
• 1:14:45
  kind of pointy. In his head, I mean a little fam you know.
• 1:14:48
  We look. You gotta lean into the things that work. Honestly,
• 1:14:55
  if you wanted Elijah, just put it in the universe because at this point,
• 1:14:59
  ninety percent of Hollywood has been like their eye has been in you know,
• 1:15:01
  a piece of their hair. Somebody's been in MCU. You can be
• 1:15:04
  in the MCU. Okay, you're gonna be in it whatever you want to
• 1:15:08
  be. Uh. But MCU was side like, are there any like particular
• 1:15:11
  projects you want to get into or any genres you want to try to jump
• 1:15:14
  into, whether it be sci fi? I mean we mentioned Star Wars.
• 1:15:16
  Do you want to go in any directions? Right now. Yeah, I
• 1:15:20
  think, like I mean, you know, I mean, I grew up
• 1:15:25
  on sci fi in genre and and so like that, and and the fact
• 1:15:30
  that like if I can, if I can get in a in a in
• 1:15:32
  a movie or a TV show, that both my brother and my father in
• 1:15:35
  particular are sitting there like gigging out. So we remember to think. We
• 1:15:40
  watched Into the Spider Birds and I watched my father who was who is Afro
• 1:15:45
  Latino washed this little Afro Latino boy swing around and there were just tears in
• 1:15:51
  his eyes. And I'm like, if I can make my father cry because
• 1:15:55
  I'm swinging around in a in a in a cape, then then that would
• 1:15:59
  be that would be muggle. But um, but personally, I think like
• 1:16:04
  projects that I'm I really admire. Actually I really admire artists like Ben Stiller.
• 1:16:11
  So my my hope and my dream is to be able to actually get
• 1:16:15
  behind the camera and start directing and start doing cinematography, start you know what
• 1:16:20
  I mean, start being a little bit more part of the architecture of love.
• 1:16:25
  The script I got. I got a friend of mine who her name
• 1:16:28
  is Kia Jones, and she's a writer, and um, and she and
• 1:16:30
  I and I've talked to her about her process of becoming a showrunner and seeing
• 1:16:33
  all seeing her ability to like just control the story and control the narrative.
• 1:16:39
  I think it is very very powerful, powerful, especially for people that look
• 1:16:43
  like us, you know. Um, So that's all. That's like kind
• 1:16:45
  of my ultimate That's what I'm manifesting that. Thank Yeah, all right,
• 1:16:51
  we love to hear it and love to see it. And also you now,
• 1:16:56
  I know I've caught you on off Broadway production up here in New York
• 1:17:00
  and you said you're doing King Lear. So you do a lot of theater
• 1:17:02
  as well. So what other projects do you have coming up? Anything that
• 1:17:06
  you can talk about. I mean, I know certain things you can't say,
• 1:17:10
  but you know what is going on. Yeah, So I'm back in
• 1:17:13
  New York doing a little off Broadway play. It's called This Land was made
• 1:17:16
  written by Tory Sampson. Yes, Yeah, it's that. The It's that
• 1:17:21
  the Vineyard UM, which is a wonderful, wonderful theater in Chelsea. UM.
• 1:17:27
  The play is written, it's about it's in set in the nineteen sixties,
• 1:17:31
  UM around the time that Hugh P. Newton uh and got the altercation
• 1:17:35
  with Officer Fry and his and his subsequent trial, and it follows this family
• 1:17:40
  kind of dealing with the aftermath. And I'm playing talking my language, who
• 1:17:45
  are you playing? I'm playing Huey and well shit ye yeah. So it's
• 1:17:49
  a and it's a play that, um, I've we've been working on for
• 1:17:53
  like the past ten years. And so Tory is Tory is fantastic and I'm
• 1:17:58
  really really uh thankful and blessed that she asked me to kind of join her
• 1:18:02
  on this, on this next stage of its evolution. So yeah, that's
• 1:18:08
  when does that open? That opens May sixteenth and runs, Yes, yeah,
• 1:18:15
  yeah, come through. I got you know, I'm gonna get your
• 1:18:15
  discounts. You know, he didn't say you're gonna get us in free.
• 1:18:20
  He said he gonna get us discounts, not get that. No, that's
• 1:18:30
  that's fantastic And I love to hear that. It's something that you've been working
• 1:18:32
  on for a long time. So this is something that you have like like
• 1:18:35
  DNA, and you understand. So I love to get that. That's what.
• 1:18:40
  Yeah, And all all I've literally done is just rewards Like Tori,
• 1:18:44
  it's all Tories writing, um and so and she's she's one of these fantastic
• 1:18:48
  put rights. So I hope you get to see more and more for work
• 1:18:51
  as as we kind of continue. Yeah yeah, all right, Well you
• 1:18:58
  have survived the interview segment, but you know it's been a minute since we
• 1:19:02
  had you here, so we got to bring you back for the rap segment,
• 1:19:05
  you know, our rapid fire questions. Yeah, that's why I was
• 1:19:10
  drinking perfect perfect all right, So let's start off with Luke Cage or Black
• 1:19:18
  Panther. Oh wow, uh Black Panther Oka, He's like he's our Superman,
• 1:19:29
  you know what I mean, Like he's you know, and like Luke
• 1:19:31
  Cage like he's the recently the comments, he's kind of fallen. He's kind
• 1:19:34
  of fallen. Also, spend a minute since I've read a Luke Cage comic.
• 1:19:41
  I can't lie. All I'm gonna say is we had T'Challa and Seeker
• 1:19:46
  Wars with the Infinity Gauntlet fucking up God, Emperor Doom and so like that.
• 1:19:54
  From that, that's my boy. Yeah. I mean, I don't
• 1:19:57
  even know where Luke Cage was in Super Wars, sad to say, but
• 1:20:04
  I know where ta Challa was. I guess, all right, Magneto Professor
• 1:20:13
  X magneto all day, not even a question, not even I'll be.
• 1:20:18
  I'll be, I'll be part of the brotherhood of It's more exciting. I'm
• 1:20:27
  like, yea, y'all, y'all yo, yo, you know uh uh
• 1:20:33
  you x Man this week? No he y'all conforming mother, you know,
• 1:20:40
  y'all. Let's be good with him and they trying to kill you. No
• 1:20:45
  Neaton right now, professor X. I don't think so um hip nor damn
• 1:20:54
  no hipet nor man. That's a mix of the two, right there.
• 1:21:00
  Um liquid swords or only built for Cuban links, only good for Cuban links
• 1:21:06
  quick. But that was my first Wu Tang. That was one of the
• 1:21:10
  first album. But I do think that like only built for Cuban links is
• 1:21:15
  a it's cohesively just solid, you know what I mean, Like you,
• 1:21:20
  it's just like solid. It's it's perfection. It is yeah, yeah,
• 1:21:27
  all right, Superman or Batman Superman because Batman's a fascist. And that's why
• 1:21:36
  you that, nigga. This is why we know that. The log has
• 1:21:42
  been listening to fall Nerds for a minute now. Yes, you excellent job.
• 1:21:48
  Somebody just hit me up the other day and they were like, you
• 1:21:51
  know, when you was talking about John Wick. You know I understood because
• 1:21:56
  when you were talking about Batman, that shit caught me off guard and I
• 1:21:59
  was trying to upset, and so I listened to you. You know we
• 1:22:02
  always upset people today. Listen, they're like, all right, good job
• 1:22:08
  read read Kingdom. Come. He literally puts Gotham Study in a police state.
• 1:22:14
  Wow, I am mad, y'all say John is a villain? I
• 1:22:24
  might agree. I didn't say that. I mean that I saw you on
• 1:22:28
  Twitter. I was like, man, do I need to block now?
• 1:22:34
  You could have joined it and roasted me because everyone else did right now?
• 1:22:39
  Is he is he completely wrong? No? Um? Was it delivered right?
• 1:22:45
  But he's not exactly wrong? Yeah? No oh um. That's when
• 1:22:53
  you know I could we need to add John Wicking to this. But Michael
• 1:22:56
  Myers, Freddie or Jason? Look, he is Michael Myers, like you
• 1:23:02
  know, he's Jason. They killed They killed Jason's mom and then he comes
• 1:23:10
  after them over and over again. They killed his dog. So the Baba
• 1:23:15
  yaga Mike Myers ready or Jason? And which one would you rather have?
• 1:23:20
  I could look to have kill you, which I'd rather deal with Jason than
• 1:23:27
  I'd rather deal with Jason and John w. John Wick got ranged. Yeah,
• 1:23:30
  No, I I gotta. I got a question. I'm not trying
• 1:23:35
  to doe that question. I go ahead. I got a question, and
• 1:23:39
  I asked. I asked my friend this. Sorry, okay, I gotta
• 1:23:42
  charge my stuff. But I asked my friend, as I said, Batman
• 1:23:45
  or john Wick, no prep time like versus each other, versus each other?
• 1:23:50
  Whore you got? Well? John mc got so goddamn plot armor.
• 1:23:54
  I mean, he never die. SODA's Batman. Yeah, but my thing
• 1:24:00
  is Batman. The joke and the ongoing theme with Batman is he needs the
• 1:24:03
  prep time. Right. So if you're saying no prep time, then the
• 1:24:05
  nigga's not gonna win. I love saying Patman prep time. Nigga, He's
• 1:24:12
  not going to have prep time if you have and maybe not John Wick,
• 1:24:15
  but if you have some otherworldly being coming at you, you're not gonna have
• 1:24:18
  prep time. My god, period. But things he's he's like cyclod for
• 1:24:23
  He's prep for everything years in advance. You know, it don't matter what
• 1:24:27
  happens, He's thought about it already. John Wick doesn't have superpowers. Allegedly,
• 1:24:32
  he doesn't have superpowers, right, he just n fool and the rest
• 1:24:35
  of all that shit. Right, So he's that's a person at the end
• 1:24:40
  of the day, and he does get hurt and he does die, right,
• 1:24:43
  he can die. Batman got the Lazarus fit technically, so right right,
• 1:24:47
  right right, I'm taking but I'm telling him, Look he like,
• 1:24:55
  especially no prep time he catching Bruce Wayne blah blah blah. I's over,
• 1:24:58
  you know what I mean. I mean, it's a human being at the
• 1:25:01
  end of the day, right, yeah, technically so it was Batman,
• 1:25:03
  but he got some other worldly shit, you know, I'm taking. So
• 1:25:08
  look, this man would be falling out of buildings and getting up and running
• 1:25:11
  off like no problem, Like, no, come on, bro, I'm
• 1:25:14
  taking this, like I said. And if the only one I wouldn't.
• 1:25:16
  Jason is the only one out of these you know monsters of Michael Myers,
• 1:25:20
  Freddy or Jason. It would definitely be could job Wick is murdering you know,
• 1:25:24
  Michael Myers and and uh and Jason, no problem, he's serving them
• 1:25:29
  suckers. I don't even know that nigga sleep, So Freddy might not get
• 1:25:33
  him either, because the nigga, you know, it's always he always up
• 1:25:36
  bodying people like, come on, you don't sleep, you don't eat,
• 1:25:42
  you don't you don't sleep, you don't eat, and he don't get on
• 1:25:45
  the plane. Those three things. Well, no, see if John w
• 1:25:47
  don't get on the plane, and I'm good on him too, because I
• 1:25:49
  fly away on his ass, just like just like I went on Jason or
• 1:25:53
  Michael Myers, I'm flying away on the niggas. That question is not getting
• 1:25:58
  answered. Not when the John would be on planes, he'd be all over
• 1:26:02
  the world. How did he get there? Wait? Wait, does he
• 1:26:05
  not get on planes? And this part of something we have never we have
• 1:26:10
  never seen him on the plane. But also how did he get from point
• 1:26:13
  it won't be? Yeah, listen, he'd be he'd be in Japan and
• 1:26:17
  then he'd be in Paris. Literally like the same thing. You ain't never
• 1:26:21
  lying, Yeah, I don't know. And also like if you ain't get
• 1:26:25
  on the plane, what are they just waiting for him to get out of
• 1:26:27
  there for? So then the stuff sucking him up could imagine they're standing there
• 1:26:30
  with a sign John Wick, look at her. I got damn it.
• 1:26:38
  I thought he'd be the limo driver. He had the sentimon bun like just
• 1:26:45
  this is absolutely ridiculous. Okay, let me ask the question that you that
• 1:26:48
  you're gonna answer, all right, red Man or methy Man. Oh,
• 1:26:54
  methem Man because meThe he just meThe Man. meThe Man's got the catalog,
• 1:27:00
  you know, like you just got just got hits bars for days. Yeah,
• 1:27:06
  sigmal Manswer. I mean, I'm I'm I'm a Red Man fan first,
• 1:27:12
  but as far as hits, and that was something I wanted to bring
• 1:27:15
  up about the show too, because I loved how y'all did that with ODB.
• 1:27:18
  But the story I heard back in the day is that they had to
• 1:27:23
  super convince method like give him all kinds of money for him to do the
• 1:27:27
  Mary J. Blige's remix, which became the biggest hit of all time.
• 1:27:30
  And it was a struggle to get that man to do it. From what
• 1:27:34
  I understood, like they you know, I can't remember what it was like
• 1:27:36
  a bins they gave him or some dumb shit. Wow. Yeah, I
• 1:27:43
  don't I don't know that. I don't know that story with meth Man one.
• 1:27:47
  I don't know that story, but I do know the ODB thing is,
• 1:27:51
  Yeah, it was like it was like, dude, if you don't
• 1:27:54
  fucking do this thing. Yeah, fucking Mariah Kerry. So that was for
• 1:27:58
  real. That was for iman. I can't understand like when you're just not
• 1:28:01
  from that lifestyle and then you can do this, You're just like, this
• 1:28:05
  doesn't make sense to you, right, Like it's like speaking of foreign language.
• 1:28:10
  Though, Okay, because I Metho didn't want to be the you know,
• 1:28:12
  sex symbol, so he didn't like the original. All I need is
• 1:28:15
  gutter, you know, to beat is super gutter. It don't have no
• 1:28:18
  chorus like that, it's none of that bounce. And then they're like,
• 1:28:21
  you know, let's puffy it up, you know, and he was like,
• 1:28:25
  nah, but you know, it's one of the greatest songs ever made.
• 1:28:28
  So thanks. Yeah. Well it's also and I'm just I'm just pontificating
• 1:28:31
  right now, but it's also like I think you were saying this, but
• 1:28:35
  it really is like they're really in two different camps. It was like the
• 1:28:41
  pop pop and then there was like, you know, the underground h the
• 1:28:45
  type wasting, and so for meth to do that, it's like him all
• 1:28:48
  of a sudden, it was like, Okay, we are going to start
• 1:28:50
  become more pop, we are going to start cattering to different people, you
• 1:28:56
  know what I mean. So it is kind of against there. You know,
• 1:29:00
  they're they're they're manifestos, you know, yeah, yeah, and it's
• 1:29:02
  like it's I think because this I saw this, some somebody was talking about
• 1:29:05
  this old and it's hard for people of like this era to understand it because
• 1:29:10
  everyone sells out now, it's not even considered selling now, it's like what
• 1:29:13
  you should do, You gotta build your brand. But that's not how people
• 1:29:16
  looked at it back then, you know, like especially when Moutan started,
• 1:29:19
  they were like, we were doing this brimy underground ship and this is what
• 1:29:23
  we're doing. It's like how Griselda is now. And I'm always mad at
• 1:29:27
  Griselda, like why can't y'all do some you know, commercial shit, but
• 1:29:30
  Griselda just stays doing Griselda shit, you know, and I respected at the
• 1:29:34
  same time. And that's how who was at first they were like no,
• 1:29:36
  fuck that, And it was a different era where you like, now,
• 1:29:40
  Grizelda, they're rich, you know, could they build a brand off of
• 1:29:43
  being underground? But who was not rich? Because you couldn't build a brand
• 1:29:45
  off of being an underground back then. I don't know you couldn't. Yeah,
• 1:29:49
  yeah, you had to go pop and they were like fuck that,
• 1:29:53
  We'll just be you know, semi broke or whatever, like I'm gonna keep
• 1:30:01
  eating. Yeah, I mean they were Yeah when I heard I remember hearing
• 1:30:05
  that story and then it's like this fucking song is one of the greatest songs
• 1:30:09
  I ever made. And it's like you didn't want to do this, or
• 1:30:12
  you didn't want to do the Fantasy remix, like I play that shit at
• 1:30:15
  every wedding now, like you know Jesus, yeah, stop running from your
• 1:30:20
  blessings, right, all right? If you have anyone's superpower, what would
• 1:30:27
  it be anyone's superpower? Whatever? John Wick got plot armor, good writing,
• 1:30:38
  give me. That's one is what you want? Is you want mean
• 1:30:42
  on your side? Okay, So any writing room, any any show you
• 1:30:45
  on, I'm gonna welcome in that writing room and go, Actually, this
• 1:30:47
  character can't die because we're gonna we're gonna have some convoluted reason that we're gonna
• 1:30:54
  write into the script every freaking time. Okay, don't worry, I got
• 1:30:57
  you. I got something for you exactly. Whatever writing room is writing my
• 1:31:03
  life. I just wanted to play you know what? He yeah, he
• 1:31:06
  just that plane ain't gonna crash crash, but he jumped out right, he
• 1:31:14
  got that last part shoot like yeah, all right, um, And speaking
• 1:31:20
  of you know, dying, what character death hurts you the most in any
• 1:31:25
  medium? Comics? Film on TV? Oh? Still I think still Eric
• 1:31:31
  in fun Nac it was fucked. Oh and you can see it an HD
• 1:31:46
  make it better quality to see the die the death brod. I'm playing to
• 1:31:51
  the remake right now because I was like this year. This year, I
• 1:31:56
  was like, I'm gonna play a game until I beat it. So I'm
• 1:31:58
  playing to the remake and I'm like, ar is so damned spunky and cute,
• 1:32:02
  and I'm like, you're gonna get stabbed back, you know what?
• 1:32:11
  Wait? Aris is though, I think it spoiled up for me because that
• 1:32:14
  shit ain't happened in the in the first part of the remake. That should
• 1:32:15
  happened later on. You ain't know that I finished. I finished the remake,
• 1:32:20
  you know, I finished the first part, but that's still the first
• 1:32:23
  part that like, she's still alive at the end of that ship. You're
• 1:32:28
  okay, no, yeah, there's still more too. With the second part
• 1:32:31
  comes out later this year. I think Yeah, No, I didn't play
• 1:32:34
  the original final. That was my first time part. Yeah I knew he
• 1:32:39
  was talking about. Yeah, that was my first time playing Final. And
• 1:32:42
  damn it, I love too. I love dog like I fucking love that
• 1:32:46
  woman. Yeah, she'd be floating around casting spells and shit like a you
• 1:32:50
  know, she gets Oh Jesus Christ in the back. I love that should
• 1:32:59
  be our news show, just spoiling things for people in twenty twenty three,
• 1:33:02
  twenty years ago, and the shock and disgust on people's faces. No bad,
• 1:33:10
  Like, god, damn bro, it's pretty bad. They better change
• 1:33:14
  that shit. Like I just told him sat clous because I had to think
• 1:33:17
  about it. I was like, maybe because it's been like a year since
• 1:33:19
  I played the remake, And I was like, when Eric, that's oh,
• 1:33:23
  then it's one of the greatest tragedies in gaming. Them, Like they
• 1:33:26
  better change that ship. You know they changed it already, Like that's the
• 1:33:29
  thing to remake. That's the one thing they can't change. God damn it.
• 1:33:33
  Ers has got to die. What are they saying? Why the Marvel
• 1:33:38
  time? That's an immutable That's just one thing you cannot change is the nexus
• 1:33:41
  point. It's the nexus point you can't change that, like, because I
• 1:33:43
  don't give a shit about Cloud, Like I don't care about him, but
• 1:33:46
  all the women around him I love to death like no one does. I
• 1:33:50
  don't care about Cloud. I don't care about that, you know, the
• 1:33:54
  black dude. I can't evenmberd. They like Cloud and Supper are like,
• 1:34:00
  um, what's his name? Cowboy? Bebom are like uh, Spike and
• 1:34:05
  um yeah yeah, And and in the same way, I barely give a
• 1:34:12
  shit about them either, I like, I like, I love all the
• 1:34:15
  people around them. You know, it's like Spike and Visions, who cares
• 1:34:17
  But the rest of your crew, nothing can happen to y'all, you know.
• 1:34:20
  Like, so that's the same way I feel about Cloud of Supper.
• 1:34:25
  I was like, whatever, but all all your home girls, no,
• 1:34:28
  no, no, no, they gotta fuck Tifa. Yeah, Tifa.
• 1:34:32
  And that's the other girl, right, Tifa? Okay, yeah, that's
• 1:34:39
  the boxing girl, right, that's the girl with the hands on She's the
• 1:34:45
  girl with How can you not love Tiva boy? But Tifa be punching like
• 1:34:51
  Max, I love it, puts hands on anything. Dog? I mean,
• 1:35:00
  you don't like Barrett? What about my favorite? They Barry Up?
• 1:35:06
  I had every time Barrett comes around, I have to put on the Japanese
• 1:35:11
  subtitle because Mike, because they made him. I was like, bro,
• 1:35:17
  it made him. It's very strange, just always been strange to me.
• 1:35:28
  Oh my god. I was like my answers watch crying. This is what
• 1:35:36
  you think about. We died for this And like I said, I never
• 1:35:45
  played that ship before, so I had no idea and I walked into this
• 1:35:48
  and I was like, y'all, let this slide all, yeah, listen,
• 1:35:51
  It's a classic. Betterman at the end of Day is a classic let
• 1:35:56
  it go. I also also think this is a classic interview. Elijah survived
• 1:36:00
  the rap segment, which means you have survived. For all nerds, we
• 1:36:04
  appreciate you. You know, we love you, you know, we know
• 1:36:06
  we fun with you. I know Benami sees you every other day anyway,
• 1:36:09
  but you know your fan fan forever, just like blutang. Um, can
• 1:36:15
  you let the people know where they can find you and when they just watched
• 1:36:18
  the finale and all that other stuff you want to play? Yeah, so
• 1:36:21
  we are finale is on is this Wednesday? Which y'all dropping this week?
• 1:36:27
  Um? Bey'all? Last episode tears tears, you can find me on my
• 1:36:31
  Instagram page Julian latch Martinez. Um, you can find me on Twitter until
• 1:36:35
  Elon takes away my verification and at Julian Elijah and then if he takes one
• 1:36:44
  of my verifications, I might I don't know, so don't worry. He'll
• 1:36:48
  implode the site before that happened, So okay, just go down with the
• 1:36:51
  ship with us, So just hang in there. It's gonna go down on
• 1:36:56
  it own, don't worry. Blue checking all. Yes, but um but
• 1:37:02
  no, thank you so much. You of course a pleasure as always.
• 1:37:06
  And then yes, we're gonna be at your show for sure, the new
• 1:37:10
  Broadway play, and you know, we just make sure you keep in touch
• 1:37:13
  with us, let us know what's going on, and uh salute you always.
• 1:37:16
  Yeah. Thanks. I always gonna love for y'all. So whatever y'all
• 1:37:20
  want me, even when I'm unemployed, bring me on. We'll just talk
• 1:37:23
  about you know what. Oh man, All right, y'all and with that
• 1:37:40
  we'll be back with more for all there. This is von Chapman. I
• 1:37:45
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• 1:38:00
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• 1:38:36
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  All Nerds. And thank you so much, Julian Elijha Martinez for joining us
• 1:39:02
  for that incredible interview. Made sure you check out Wu Tang in American Saga
• 1:39:09
  now on Hulu. It is one of my favorite shows of the last few
• 1:39:13
  years. I am so for Climp. For Climp, that's a great word,
• 1:39:19
  but I don't know the rest of the sentence. I'm in a state
• 1:39:23
  of disarrayed. You know, I'm in a last page of emotion right now
• 1:39:28
  because Utang American Saga's Indian. It has been one of my favorite shows in
• 1:39:31
  the last few years and I just don't feel like there's anything else like it
• 1:39:35
  on TV. And you know, so it's like it's hard to replace.
• 1:39:41
  But thank you to Julian, Thank you to the cast and crew, thank
• 1:39:43
  you to everyone. You have done an incredible job on that. I want
• 1:39:46
  everyone, if you haven't seen it, go out and watching all for all
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  three seasons are now on Hulu. Fantastic show. Three seasons tells a complete
• 1:39:55
  story. If you don't know about the Rutang, you'll learn so much.
• 1:39:58
  Even if you do, like myself, you'll learn so much and you'll be
• 1:40:00
  entertained. Full of great young black actors, you know, like Julian was
• 1:40:05
  talking about. It's where you see all these young black men at this stage
• 1:40:09
  in their career, all these dudes who are gonna pop off because they're all
• 1:40:12
  incredible actors. So many incredible actors on that show. So please go peep
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  it facts facts, And you thought we was done, you thought we was
• 1:40:23
  finished, No, because they have been hitting us over the head. This
• 1:40:28
  is Marvel versus Voutang versus DC, and we got one mode from Marvel from
• 1:40:32
  the Sony side of things, the across the Spider Verse trailer to look.
• 1:40:41
  I'm just gonna say this before we even watch this ship looks. I've been
• 1:40:45
  said that Put Some Boots. The Last Wish is one of my favorite films
• 1:40:51
  of the year. Already know that this hole is growing in my top five.
• 1:40:57
  Absolutely end of story. All right, let's see this whole game.
• 1:41:05
  Oh my god, it's just so beautiful. My name is Miles Moraley.
• 1:41:12
  I'm Brooklyn's one and only Spider me and things are going great. He was
• 1:41:17
  supposed to be her spy. All right, whatever, whatever, whatever,
• 1:41:24
  So are you like a cowward Dalmatian? I am the spot that's not funny.
• 1:41:31
  Don't don't do that, Miles is great. They're pretty good. A
• 1:41:36
  and ap physic that's living and to be in Spanish. Miles, are you
• 1:41:43
  trying me? Now? I gotta go. He's lying to you and I
• 1:41:48
  think you know it. Danger, Miles, I want to get out of
• 1:41:57
  here. Who when nyment there's an elite crow with all the best Spider Babel
• 1:42:01
  in it. Use the new guy, Danger. This is unbelievable. This
• 1:42:06
  is the lobby l o Harry the whole thing with his idea. What did
• 1:42:13
  I gotta do to join this Spider team? You can never be part of
• 1:42:15
  this. Don't even get me started on Doctor Strange and a little Nerd back
• 1:42:18
  on Earth nineteen ninety. Mamma, go easy. I'm the kid. He
• 1:42:24
  had a terrible teacher. Heater Miles day day. You have a babe I
• 1:42:29
  have. I'll take it from here, Miles. Being Spider Man is a
• 1:42:35
  sacrifice. You have a choice between saving one person, oh and saving every
• 1:42:44
  world. Send me home. I can't do that. I can do both.
• 1:42:50
  Spider Man always always What about Uncle Ben? If not for Uncle Ben,
• 1:42:57
  most of us wouldn't be here. Can't stop me? You ever worked
• 1:43:02
  forever. I can't lose one of my friends. He isn't what we're talking
• 1:43:08
  about. You don't. Everyone keeps telling me how my story is supposed to
• 1:43:16
  go. Nah, I'm gonna do my own. Let stay sure you stop
• 1:43:25
  the Spider you hey brag. I looked at my uncle. Let me guess
• 1:43:36
  he died. The Spider Society. Listen, listen, listen. That shit
• 1:43:46
  is beautiful. Like That's all I kept saying every time I watched it,
• 1:43:49
  that this is like the fifth time I watched this today. Yeah, beautiful,
• 1:43:53
  beautiful, beautiful, huge fan of the First Spider Verse. Obviously,
• 1:43:57
  if you play the PS five game, you even deeper, Like it's just
• 1:44:00
  the levels of deep that go into the story of Miles Morales and the it's
• 1:44:11
  like so much energy and emotion behind it, and I don't even know I
• 1:44:17
  can like fully capture in words what I experienced when I watch this, because
• 1:44:21
  like you ever watch something like you so into it, your mouth it's halfway
• 1:44:26
  open, And that's how I felt like it, Like I realized that I
• 1:44:30
  was kind of slacked joy because I was just like, yo, I'm into
• 1:44:32
  this, like you back in the story, you back with Miles, back
• 1:44:36
  with when Peter. You see new people like the animation like it's I didn't
• 1:44:43
  know they could top the animation of the first one. And this is just
• 1:44:46
  a trailer fun and this is not even and it's not even like the final
• 1:44:51
  look. That's the other part people don't realize, like a lot of times
• 1:44:54
  the trailers is not the final look. There's still more shit they adding on
• 1:44:57
  it, still more layers, they're adding a still more generating things that you
• 1:45:02
  know, generative things they have to put on it, like I just for
• 1:45:05
  it to look like that, And that's what bugs me out so much about
• 1:45:10
  the way it looks. I love animation, I mean love animation. To
• 1:45:14
  see it like this, Like I say, I remember, I'll never forget
• 1:45:18
  going into the first one, and me and Beans shout out to my brother
• 1:45:23
  Beans. He was standing outside and he was like, Yo, this thing
• 1:45:26
  might be better. He'd already seen it. He was like, this might
• 1:45:28
  be better than Black Panther and Goddamn Mother. And then you know, we
• 1:45:32
  sat there and watched the film and I was like, it's tough. That
• 1:45:36
  shit grabs you a grip, shoes tough. It's it's it's to this day
• 1:45:41
  one of my favorite films of all time. And then I'd never seen anything
• 1:45:45
  that even came close to it until I saw Pussing Boots earlier. This,
• 1:45:49
  I mean, like last week. And that's why I said, Yo,
• 1:45:51
  people are you know, they're learning the lessons and Spider Verse and doing all
• 1:45:56
  these different animation spiles file I mean styles, and messing with the speed the
• 1:46:01
  frame rate of shots, having different frame rates in the same shot, and
• 1:46:05
  doing all these different tricks in a big budget stail film. I'm sure these
• 1:46:10
  trips have been done in smaller films, but in films of this size.
• 1:46:14
  I hadn't seen it into a Spider Verse. And then I heard the creatives
• 1:46:16
  all like, yo, everything we did on Spider Verse, we already know.
• 1:46:19
  We got a top And in this trailer, like you said, you're
• 1:46:23
  already seen it. That shot of when the way she glows and the yea
• 1:46:28
  and then the shot of digg. I think she's Digi Spider, the young
• 1:46:30
  black girl with the digital effects. Yeah, were talking about who she was.
• 1:46:34
  Yeah, and someone on Twitter said something about DIGGI. I don't know
• 1:46:36
  that character at all. We see Spiderpunk, we see Starlet Spider, Ben
• 1:46:42
  O'Reilly, who is Peter Parker's clone. Um. We see so many references
• 1:46:47
  to comic books and animation, and there's so much stuff that we haven't even
• 1:46:51
  seen. Like they talk about the Japanese Spider Manager to being here. We
• 1:46:55
  might see the giant Japanese Spider Man robot. Yeah, is um the real
• 1:47:01
  one? That the real rumor that's out there? Right? They say they're
• 1:47:04
  going to five different world or five different or six different or seven I can't
• 1:47:09
  remember how many, but they've revealed most of them. We're gonna go to
• 1:47:12
  the Spider Verse where the Spider Man of India is, so we're gonna get
• 1:47:15
  that Indian style, and like each of these verses are gonna have their own
• 1:47:17
  different style of animation. We're going into the brit Punk where that's where Spider
• 1:47:23
  Man. Spider Punk comes from British and he's a black dude under that love
• 1:47:26
  him Miguel Harris Spider Man twenty ninety nine from the future. So we're gonna
• 1:47:30
  go to the future. I think we're going to Gwen's world and then one
• 1:47:34
  of the worlds they're like the Super Secret World, and so the rumor and
• 1:47:40
  the guests is that's gonna be the live action world, and we might seem
• 1:47:44
  we might see Miles in live action because they've said this is the Super Secret
• 1:47:50
  And what could be more secret than doing live action? You already got animation,
• 1:47:54
  Like what other style? Every animation style? Yeah, so what other
• 1:47:58
  style could be other than live I would lose my mind. Can't you imagine
• 1:48:02
  not a portal and becomes live action? I think it's like, can you
• 1:48:08
  imagine? And they keep that ship secret till be in the theater. That's
• 1:48:12
  whole place going uh, like, like I mean definitely said we're gonna be
• 1:48:16
  back in this world. Like the emotion, like the first one was so
• 1:48:19
  beautiful and everything, but the fucking emotions emotion, Yeah, it always droves
• 1:48:25
  back to the writing and the writing of that story. There's so many moments
• 1:48:29
  where I'm like wanted to cry or wanted to jump out of my seat and
• 1:48:31
  cheer every time I see it. And then you get into this animation that
• 1:48:35
  it's just beyond everything, and it's skillfully supported by an incredible soundtrack and an
• 1:48:43
  incredible voice. Yeah, because I'm already what's something You're like, I'm like,
• 1:48:45
  whoa, that's my ship. Even even when there was a scene where
• 1:48:49
  it happened real quick where he was flipping through like you know, between bills
• 1:48:54
  and stuff, and I saw the word flower of here right and just like
• 1:48:56
  oh my god, you know, like you know, even the callbacks to
• 1:48:58
  itself, like it's just oh oh man. Then the other thing that the
• 1:49:04
  creators have already talked about is they said, this is the Empire strikes Back.
• 1:49:08
  This is the second in the trilogy, and this is going to end
• 1:49:12
  like Empire strikes Back in a very dark place because the spot you see him
• 1:49:16
  in this trailer. He seems like a joke, but by the end of
• 1:49:18
  this film, he's going to be a very either powerful or destructive villain because
• 1:49:24
  he's going to continue on into the third Spider Verse film. Yeah, well
• 1:49:28
  that I mean, you know, as as clownery as they're making him seen,
• 1:49:31
  Like that power that's you're fucking portal, that's scary, that's powerful as
• 1:49:36
  fun you know, if you if you're not fucking around, you can really
• 1:49:40
  fuck it up with that type of power. Is yes, and he's going
• 1:49:43
  to fuck ship up with that type of power. Portal power fuck out of
• 1:49:47
  him. Yeah, and funny because in the comics pretty much he's always been
• 1:49:50
  taken as a joke. But they were like, let's take this character and
• 1:49:54
  connect them because you know, you got pulled up to different verses boom boom
• 1:49:57
  boom to connect them mental Bider verse, and now he might be terrifying by
• 1:50:01
  the end of the film. Yeah, like, oh no, I'm I'm
• 1:50:05
  just freaking excite. I'm I think I'm even more excited for like the surprises,
• 1:50:10
  like what you're saying that may happen, and yeah, I mean I'm
• 1:50:14
  excited just to see it. You know, shout out to Frank Abney and
• 1:50:17
  the team that have been working on the trailer and have been working on this
• 1:50:20
  project in general. But like, I'm just happy that that we're finally gonna
• 1:50:26
  get to see, you know, the world again. Just to be there,
• 1:50:30
  yes, man, I mean just to be there and just be back
• 1:50:31
  in it and then to like really sit here and talk to y'all. You
• 1:50:35
  know, speculate all day, but it's like it's a joyful speculation, you
• 1:50:40
  know, like it's it's it's it's fun um And again after a lot of
• 1:50:45
  you know, people a color and then they're even doing a storyline that I
• 1:50:51
  love, like from the comments, not from Spider Man, from you know,
• 1:50:55
  Miles in particular. But there's a comma back when I was growing up
• 1:50:59
  called Power Pack, and it was about these kids who had powers and their
• 1:51:01
  parents didn't know, and they were kids, so they were constantly trying to
• 1:51:05
  sneak out of their house and ship to go be superheroes and hide the shift
• 1:51:10
  from their parents. And it was such an ill comicpa for me as a
• 1:51:13
  kid because it was like, you know, you got the secret, you
• 1:51:15
  can't tell the people you trust the most, and so to have that in
• 1:51:18
  the trailer when the woman's like he's lying t yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:51:21
  I was just like, oh, like that. That actually reminds me of
• 1:51:25
  something that shout out to Fantastic Frankie that she had recently posted about how a
• 1:51:30
  lot like you're actually starting to see this, particularly with characters of color house
• 1:51:33
  stuff like this, they can't keep secrets right, like a lot of time,
• 1:51:38
  and inherently in families like ours, like they're going off your parents,
• 1:51:43
  is gonna find your parents, is not leaving you to your own devices a
• 1:51:45
  lot of time, like what the fuck are you doing, especially if you
• 1:51:47
  live in a large household, especially living house of a color like people's in
• 1:51:50
  your business. You got people is always in your business. And every time
• 1:51:55
  you think you too slick and you got a way, somebody gonna find out,
• 1:51:58
  right, and they may keep it secret for a while. They're like,
• 1:52:00
  nigga, I knew, I knew you was out there swinging around,
• 1:52:02
  you know, out there doing crime fighting and shit. So it's just interesting
• 1:52:06
  to see that dynamic as well. Right, So I oh man, now
• 1:52:11
  I'm I'm I'm completely excited, completely happy for this because as of now his
• 1:52:15
  parents don't know, right, because of now as not and according to trailer,
• 1:52:19
  I mean they they're gonna find out. I mean his dad's a cop,
• 1:52:21
  though, you know, like he gonna figure that shit out, right,
• 1:52:25
  but also you know his it's like I don't want to say that under
• 1:52:28
  estate. I don't want to say that under estate mating him. But it's
• 1:52:30
  also like that's you're like out of anything to believe you think, oh my
• 1:52:34
  kid got you know what they say, it's easier to hide things and playing
• 1:52:39
  slight sighte. Yeah, this is a world where there are other superheroes and
• 1:52:42
  stuff, but they're not going to think, oh my kid is the one,
• 1:52:44
  so he gonna be the one to figure out and he ain't gonna he
• 1:52:46
  ain't gonna tell the mom at first. That's what it is, what I'm
• 1:52:49
  thinking. Yeah, and he's what I seem to look like. He was
• 1:52:51
  hanging off of a leg, fell down, y'all. Y'all rewind to watch
• 1:52:57
  my face for the first time first few times, and I didn't catch that
• 1:53:00
  shot because I was always focused on Diggi Girl and that whole sequence of the
• 1:53:04
  spot running and Miguel running that that secreence is so ill to me that I
• 1:53:09
  didn't catch that shot of that Papa. Yeah that I wasn't ready for that.
• 1:53:15
  Yeah, I wasn't ready. Yeah. If this shit like blends into
• 1:53:19
  live action and you see like Tom Holland like that, I mean, but
• 1:53:24
  no, if it's if it's Miles and I know, but but interaction with
• 1:53:29
  Tom, I'm not even ready for all that. That's too much. That's
• 1:53:33
  too much. That's answer too much. I just need Miles too. That
• 1:53:38
  would be like you I saw throwing shit at the screen, you know what
• 1:53:40
  I mean? What about Venom? Because you remember in the first Spider Verse,
• 1:53:45
  I think it was the after currencies and Marestines. That's when they connected
• 1:53:47
  it to the Venom I don't want to call the Venom verse, but they
• 1:53:50
  connected it to the live action Venom. It's when he was on vacation in
• 1:53:54
  Hawaii or some shit, and that's when they saw that a piece of the
• 1:53:56
  symbio was left behind. So but that's got to do with Tom and that's
• 1:54:00
  still the man that that ship was still like hopefully this happens one day.
• 1:54:04
  You know, we're just gonna leave a little back door. Here's the case.
• 1:54:10
  We need to remember this, you know, Like that was not like
• 1:54:15
  movies you think, Yeah, just hopefully could they send Vinom back to the
• 1:54:21
  Tom Holland verse. Yeah, yeah, and they send the Tom Holland to
• 1:54:25
  the Tom holler Verse verse. That's what it's gonna be. It should be.
• 1:54:30
  The Tom hollow Verse was occasional, you know, interaction from the MCU.
• 1:54:34
  That's how it's going to be now, Like y'all wanted it, and
• 1:54:36
  this is what you're gonna get. So your best hope is that it interacts
• 1:54:41
  into the Spider Verse because otherwise Tom Holland's options are limited right now. Yeah,
• 1:54:45
  I'm excited. I am hoping most data. I'm hoping we get first
• 1:54:51
  DIBs on early screenings and come on, now, well you know, I
• 1:55:00
  I hope we get first the early screens and I hope to invite y'all to
• 1:55:04
  these screening shots that everyone who's been to we had, like it just it
• 1:55:09
  just be coming to us like crazy sometimes, like we've been given a lot
• 1:55:13
  of passes screenings lately, and we hope that continues. And we, like
• 1:55:16
  we said before, we hope that continues for other cities. So we can't
• 1:55:19
  help out the rest of the fan. Mhmm. Yeah, all right,
• 1:55:23
  Well that is it for our Across the Spider Verse review of the trailer.
• 1:55:29
  You know, can't wait for this joint. As you said, I mean,
• 1:55:31
  as we've been saying, we are super hype. This looks like as
• 1:55:34
  were one of my movies a year. Ain't got to say much more.
• 1:55:38
  This is like my goddamn Avatar. I just can't. I just want to
• 1:55:40
  get back into that world, you know what I mean, bring me back
• 1:55:42
  into Pandora. You know in Harlem eight million dollars eighty say eight hundred billion?
• 1:55:47
  What ain't BRILLIONA but no, that isn't even enough fun out of Actually,
• 1:55:55
  when you were talking to my frameworks and stuff, I wanted to say,
• 1:55:57
  no Avatar. So m m, yeah, it works in animation.
• 1:56:01
  It does not work for me in live animation technically, no, but there
• 1:56:05
  are people in it like I need. I know, for this animated,
• 1:56:09
  I need twenty four frames protecting if you're doing live actions. Look, you
• 1:56:13
  know, my brain has been trained. I'm not going to get off of
• 1:56:15
  the look. I mean, that's all this doing. My brain has been
• 1:56:19
  trained. Fam. I'm not gonna what the whale say to him? What
• 1:56:24
  the whale say to him? It hurts too much to say it y'all.
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• 2:00:30
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• 2:00:40
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• 2:00:47
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• 2:00:55
  God, is Howard home come a week and better? It is announced the
• 2:01:00
  twenty first I believe is the weekend homecoming game. So once they oh my
• 2:01:04
  god, so once they announced they they put out the football schedule last month,
• 2:01:08
  and once they put that out, I was like, Okay, oh
• 2:01:11
  my god, let's do a down dog y'all. Y'all, y'all, I
• 2:01:15
  can't. I don't give a shit. We never won a game, but
• 2:01:17
  we ain't never lost a party. If we'd be winning now that I mean,
• 2:01:20
  we'd be winning now we went back. We've been winning all the Yeah,
• 2:01:25
  I've never been to a homecom when we won. Swear to god,
• 2:01:28
  we've been winning recently. I've never been. You know, we like top,
• 2:01:30
  We top right now. We just wanted to me act for Sam basketball
• 2:01:34
  Sam. When I came to Howard the year before the football team won the
• 2:01:38
  me ACC The whole time I was a Howard we never went ship. Well
• 2:01:42
  that happened to me til we wasn't really winning stuff. But we on top
• 2:01:45
  now, h you on top now? The whole time everybody year before I
• 2:01:51
  got there, me at Chimps, after that, me at Chumps then,
• 2:01:56
  I mean twenty twenty three, Howard, twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three,
• 2:01:59
  I know we have been going up basketball swim team. I know we're
• 2:02:02
  running women's basketball, men's basketball. Like everybody up up, we up,
• 2:02:06
  you know what I mean. So thank you all for joining us. We
• 2:02:11
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• 2:02:14
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• 2:02:17
  can travel this summer a little more. But as you see, we got
• 2:02:20
  a couple of big things are already planning. I plan to be at some
• 2:02:24
  more conventions this year. Still waiting on some real big announcements in the comic
• 2:02:29
  book world. This announcement of this Bradford novel that I wrote with Mello Marketer
• 2:02:32
  gonna be crazy. Probably by the end of the summer. I'm gonna be
• 2:02:36
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• 2:02:40
  So a lot coming man, you know, stick around. Thank you,
• 2:02:45
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