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Devil's Den HORROR: MOM, Dad Slaughtered 'Protecting' Daughters From Hiking Trail Killer · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Devil's Dan horror. A mom
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Speaker 1: and a dad both slaughtered trying to protect their little
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Speaker 1: daughters from the hiking trail killer. This as the FBI
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Speaker 1: joins in the manhunt. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: You guys, it's just as Devilston. You still a relative
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Speaker 2: hack the mail and a femail on Devilston hiking trail
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Speaker 2: and then took off from a small black sports car
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Speaker 2: with tables. Withe and we suspect the suspect of injuries
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Speaker 2: due to the witness seeing the.
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Speaker 1: Suspect, striking fear in every parent's heart. I just got
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Speaker 1: back from taking the twins hiking. These two parents with
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Speaker 1: their two little girls slaughtered at the Devil's Den State Park.
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Speaker 1: As we go to air a major update in a
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Speaker 1: search for the per that allegedly murdered a mom and
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Speaker 1: dad on a popular hiking trail, straight out to Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporters Sydney Summer, what happened?
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Speaker 3: Arkansas State Police just released a possible photo of the suspect. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 3: it's from behind, so we're just seeing the back of
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Speaker 3: his head.
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Speaker 4: He's standing on.
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Speaker 3: What looks like the edge of a cliff, looking out
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Speaker 3: over at an overlook, and the description matches what they
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Speaker 3: have been putting out there. He's wearing long black pants
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Speaker 3: a long sleeved black shirt. It looks like there's a
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Speaker 3: design on the black of the shirt. It looks like
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Speaker 3: it's a red square with blue filling the border. He's
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Speaker 3: carrying a black backpack and what looks like a duffel
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Speaker 3: bag and his baseball cap in a light can. He
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Speaker 3: does appear to have sandy blonde or light brown hair.
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Speaker 3: ASP didn't give us much information on where they got
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Speaker 3: this photo. Maybe another hiker on the trail who just
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Speaker 3: happened to catch the suspect in this position. And it's
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Speaker 3: now zoomed in in a better photo, so we're unsure
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Speaker 3: of where exactly they got this, but just so unfortunate
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Speaker 3: that it doesn't have his face.
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Speaker 1: The parents were attacked and murdered with the children present,
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Speaker 1: With the children present, Why why attack these two loving
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Speaker 1: parents again? With me in all star panels straight out
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Speaker 1: to Dannette Sosa, she is joining us from Devil's Den.
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Speaker 1: They're in Arkansas formerly knw A Nanette, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 4: What do we know at this hour?
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Speaker 5: As far as the park is concerned, all the trails
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Speaker 5: are closed here at Devil's Den devil Den's State Park.
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Speaker 5: The police and FBI has now helped in this search.
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Speaker 5: Extra caution has been taken. More patrol is unseen. However,
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Speaker 5: we're only allowed through the exterior of the park. As
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Speaker 5: you can see, there are two entrances. This is one
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Speaker 5: entrance you see the sign behind me, and then there's
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Speaker 5: another more toward the north end of this Parkette.
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Speaker 1: Did you just tell me there are only two entrance exits.
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Speaker 5: It's a highway that runs through here. When I say
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Speaker 5: ingress and egress or entrances and exits, So you have
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Speaker 5: a main highway you come off, you have an option
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Speaker 5: to come off the main interstate, which is Interstate forty nine.
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Speaker 5: Then you take a smaller highway seventy four. Then that
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Speaker 5: will connect you to two highways here toward this particular park,
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Speaker 5: which is Highway two twenty or the Highway one seventy four.
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Speaker 5: So those are the two and they kind of they
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Speaker 5: can loop around and you can go on or off
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Speaker 5: through those highways.
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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, that's important.
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Speaker 1: I'm gathering that there are only two entrance exits formal
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Speaker 1: entrance and exits. But let me go straight out. Guys
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Speaker 1: joining me at the saying Devil's Dan State Park. Now
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Speaker 1: to an expert, Chris Adams, swamp survival expert, environmental educator.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at Turtleman on Facebook. Renowned survivalist. Chris,
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Speaker 1: you have studied the terrain and when I was asking
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Speaker 1: in that SOSA, are there only two entrants in exits?
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Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking that, obviously is because I want
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Speaker 1: to find out who is the perp and if he
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Speaker 1: did exit, those are the two formal entry and exits, right,
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Speaker 1: if he was by car, that's where we're going to
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Speaker 1: get an id on him. However, as you know from
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Speaker 1: working at multiple state parks, and some of them extremely
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Speaker 1: extremely tough terrain, you can walk in and out of
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Speaker 1: a state park practically anywhere, right, Chris Adams.
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Speaker 6: If you know how to get in and out of
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Speaker 6: a place, you can get in and out fairly easy.
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to that last shot where it was
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Speaker 1: describing the terrain. Guys, you are seeing the entrance and
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Speaker 1: exit and it looks pretty idyllic, but the terrain is
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Speaker 1: actually very very difficult. Chris Adams, familiar with this terrain,
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Speaker 1: Describe it for me, Chris, this guy, if he did
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Speaker 1: not leave so one of the formal entry exits, which
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Speaker 1: we believe he did, but we don't know that.
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Speaker 4: What would he be up against now?
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Speaker 1: Crooked steep, no through trucks, RV trailers, only certain links
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Speaker 1: he can go in because of the terrain.
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Speaker 4: Tell me about the terrain, Chris Adams.
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Speaker 6: Well, unlike my home, it is anything but flat. I
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Speaker 6: mean there's rock formations, there's caverns, there's creeks, wooded areas,
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Speaker 6: even waterfalls. You know, that's the perfect area for disaster
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Speaker 6: if you're walking through there and roll an ankle. I mean,
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Speaker 6: you've got to know the terrain to be able to
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Speaker 6: navigate the terrain, and this is not easy terrain to
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Speaker 6: navigate by any means.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, Chris Adams joining me now,
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Speaker 1: Ron Bateman, former sheriff at inn Arunda County in Maryland,
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Speaker 1: former homicide and undercover narc You know, Ron, you're especially
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Speaker 1: equipped for today because you studied and worked the Rachel
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Speaker 1: Warren Hiker trail murder. And what Chris Adams just said
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Speaker 1: is extremely important. Did this guy know the area, much
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Speaker 1: like Delphi where Abby and Liberty were murdered on a
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Speaker 1: local trail, nobody would know about it unless you were
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Speaker 1: from there. I suspect this guy knew the terrain really well,
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Speaker 1: and like in the case of Rachel Moore, and that
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Speaker 1: we were just showing on the mom pawtrail that guy
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Speaker 1: lay in.
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Speaker 4: Wait.
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Speaker 1: That's what I think about this guy. Why do I
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Speaker 1: care because maybe somebody saw him way in?
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Speaker 4: What do you think about this perp lying in wait?
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Speaker 1: A mother and a father did, leaving behind three girls,
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Speaker 1: one a team and two eaty beatty children little to
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Speaker 1: grow out without mom and dad.
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Speaker 4: What do you think, Ron?
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Speaker 7: It's horrible And that's the first thing I thought of
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Speaker 7: when I read this case. About Rachel Maren's case. There's
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Speaker 7: so many ways to get in and out of that
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Speaker 7: woods to the mom Pop trail as it is for
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Speaker 7: this situation here. Yeah, there might be two formal ways
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Speaker 7: in and out, but I'm sure there's numerous ways. Like
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Speaker 7: Chris just said, if you know the terrain, you're going
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Speaker 7: to get in and get out. So I'm sure this
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Speaker 7: guy knew where he was going and knew what he
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Speaker 7: planned on doing. And then Nick carried out his acts.
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Speaker 1: And the point of that, angew Lewis is joining me,
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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer, partner Sirce law, former felony prosecutor area.
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Speaker 1: The point is, I'm onto finding this guy. I think
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Speaker 1: a he knew the terrain really well. Like Chris Adams
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Speaker 1: is pointing out, I think he lay in wait, which
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Speaker 1: gives me a bid on who may have seen him,
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Speaker 1: What time did he get there, and why did he
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Speaker 1: identify these two? You know, it's really raaring. You've tried
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Speaker 1: a lot of cases, as have I. For one person
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Speaker 1: to take on two adults and he leaves the children,
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Speaker 1: the children live, they go running, screaming at the top
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Speaker 1: of their lungs, their witnesses. Do I like putting children
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Speaker 1: on the stand?
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Speaker 8: No?
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Speaker 4: I don't. Do you do it when you have to, Yes,
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Speaker 4: you do.
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Speaker 1: But for one guy to take on two adults very peculiar,
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Speaker 1: and I believe he had to know the terrain.
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Speaker 4: Andrea Ninta, You're exactly right.
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Speaker 9: And if you look at the photographs of the husband
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Speaker 9: and father, he does not appear to be a relatively
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Speaker 9: small man. So this guy not only did he know
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Speaker 9: what he was doing, not only was he there prepared
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Speaker 9: but he took on somebody that likely had some force
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Speaker 9: and ability to fight back. Now, you bring up a
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Speaker 9: very good point, right, which is what was the motive here?
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Speaker 5: And two?
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Speaker 9: Was the Were the parents the intended target? We know
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Speaker 9: he certainly intended to kill them, but was he actually
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Speaker 9: after the two young girls similar to a Delphi type
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Speaker 9: situation where he may have been actually looking for young
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Speaker 9: girls to prey upon. We don't know yet, but this
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Speaker 9: whole thing is very unusual and absolutely a horrific rime.
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Speaker 1: Angela Lewis, you say something like that and you expect
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Speaker 1: everybody to just go to sleep tonight, put their head
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Speaker 1: on the pillow and have sweet dreams. Now, we've heard
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Speaker 1: over and over Andrew. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying you're wrong at all, Because what we keep
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Speaker 1: hearing is they died, mom and dad did on a
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Speaker 1: hiking trail, and we keep hearing trying to protect their
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Speaker 1: daughters that had to come from somewhere. We're not hearing
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Speaker 1: they died because they were robbed, or they died because
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Speaker 1: like Rachel Moren, she was brutally sex attacked on the
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Speaker 1: man pawtrail. We're not hearing any of that, but we
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Speaker 1: are hearing they died trying to protect their daughters, and
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Speaker 1: that brings in what you just said, a blood curdling
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Speaker 1: thought that the part was trying to get the girls
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Speaker 1: and the parents fought back and told the girls to
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Speaker 1: run like any parent would do.
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Speaker 9: Andrea, you know, and Nancy is horrible and just unfathomable.
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Speaker 9: It is to really picture that it fits what we're
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Speaker 9: seeing here, because what we know, whether it be from
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Speaker 9: witnesses or maybe even the girls themselves, is that they're
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Speaker 9: reporting that he was injured. So certainly, if mom and
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Speaker 9: dad know that this predator is coming after these young girls,
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Speaker 9: they're going to fight for not only their own lives,
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Speaker 9: but also for their children. And you can certainly see
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Speaker 9: a circumstance where the parents injure him tell the girls
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Speaker 9: to run, as you just noted, and that would really
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Speaker 9: explain exactly what we're hearing from investigators now. Only time
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Speaker 9: will tell. Certainly there are other motives, but that is
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Speaker 9: certainly a chilling one that investigators will have to rule out.
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Speaker 4: Doctor Jeff Gardier is joining us. You know him well.
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Speaker 1: We have been analyzing cases together since I know for
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Speaker 1: a fact nineteen ninety seven clinical psychologist Professor Truro College
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Speaker 1: of Osteopathic Medicine called America's psychologist, Doctor Jeff. You and
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Speaker 1: I have studied so many cases, and when we were
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Speaker 1: covering a case together at court TV, we talked about
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Speaker 1: parents that tell their children that turn and attack the
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Speaker 1: attacker and tell.
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Speaker 4: The children run.
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Speaker 1: And the more we're analyzing this case, the more that's
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Speaker 1: becoming a parent. The two little girls did that, they ran,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jeff, and I think it is a child this young, anyway,
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Speaker 1: impulse to stay with the parents, even though the parents
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Speaker 1: are getting slaughtered.
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Speaker 4: They'll stay right there.
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Speaker 1: They might scream, they might run around, but they won't
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Speaker 1: leave unless they're told run.
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Speaker 4: And that is what parents are told.
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Speaker 1: They're instructed to tell their children if the family's under attack.
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Speaker 1: I told my children that when they were little, and
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Speaker 1: I still tell them that if anything happens, run, leave
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Speaker 1: your father and I leave me, and run and go
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Speaker 1: get help, in other words, get to safety. Do you
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Speaker 1: think that's what happened, Doctor Jiff.
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Speaker 10: There is quite that possibility, Nancy, And you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 10: When we tell our kids to run, it's for their
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Speaker 10: own safety, but it's also to get help. And what
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Speaker 10: we're seeing here is there is the possibility that this killer,
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Speaker 10: whether premeditated or not, was an individual with this kind
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Speaker 10: of struggle going on, who was acting with intense emotional state,
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Speaker 10: rage or frustration, and that was also very scary to
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Speaker 10: the children. But that impulse of the parents to protect
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Speaker 10: their children by any means, of course, is admirable and
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Speaker 10: what we want to see in parents. They sacrifice their lives,
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Speaker 10: it seems. Here.
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Speaker 1: Back to our special guest Chris Adams aka Turtleman, who
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Speaker 1: is a wildlife survivalist. Chris, we are learning that the
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Speaker 1: little girls said said that they ran until they couldn't
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Speaker 1: hear their mom screaming anymore. Now it was and in
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Speaker 1: that so, so we'll jump in if I've got this wrong.
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Speaker 1: It was about a mile to the visitor center. What
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Speaker 1: does that mean? The purp could have been watching them,
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Speaker 1: could have followed them in and tell them for a mile.
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Speaker 1: But more importantly, these two little girls ran for a mile.
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Speaker 4: Two little girls ran under the.
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Speaker 1: Age of ten, ran for a mile in this terrain, Chris,
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Speaker 1: hearing their mother screaming, And we believe they were running
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Speaker 1: down hill over all the rocks and the ups and
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Speaker 1: the downs and the cracks, in the surface. What would
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Speaker 1: that have been like for little children in this terrain running?
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Speaker 6: Firstly, that's horrific and not only so unnerving considering I worked,
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Speaker 6: you know, in wild lands all across the southern part
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Speaker 6: of Georgia here, but the terrain in that type of area,
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Speaker 6: I mean it cuts and I can only imagine, you know,
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Speaker 6: an adult trying to do that. But two children, their
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Speaker 6: legs are smaller, They're not getting enough you know, windage
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Speaker 6: running like that, They're wearing themselves out, tripping, stumbling, falling.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it would cut them up pretty bad, or
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Speaker 6: at least bruise them up. And in the temperatures like
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Speaker 6: it's been, the highs out there have been in the
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Speaker 6: mid to lower nineties, and I can't imagine what the
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Speaker 6: humidity has been like. But any amount of time running
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Speaker 6: in that heat, it'd wear a little child out very easily.
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Speaker 1: Right now, the FBI joining in the search. I want
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Speaker 1: this guy found. I want him brought to justice. You
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Speaker 1: don't think these two little girls are going to hear
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Speaker 1: their mother's screams for the rest of their lives every
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Speaker 1: time they go to bed.
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Speaker 4: They will.
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Speaker 5: We're all sweeping the trail. Me and I've got a
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Speaker 5: person with me.
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Speaker 2: First state, he is trying to locate the family.
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Speaker 11: Here, still calling for help. We're hiding down Therefore, we're
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Speaker 11: hearing the perie before again into the lower part of
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Speaker 11: the Devil's Entrail, try.
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Speaker 5: To relate to the author and we found the victims
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Speaker 5: down here.
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Speaker 6: They're on the lower Devil's Entrail bodies.
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Speaker 12: Authorities believe Arkansas mom and dad fought for their daughters'
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Speaker 12: lives in a brutal attack in Devil's Den State Park
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Speaker 12: that leaves both parents dead.
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Speaker 1: We are live at Devil's Den State Park, the slaughter
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Speaker 1: of a mother and father, we've been told, protecting their
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Speaker 1: own children joining us there at Devil's Den. And that's so,
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Speaker 1: said investigative reporter, but also with US crime stories, investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter Sidney Sumner, I'm hoping, based on what we've heard
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Speaker 1: that the purp was in fact injured. Why do we
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Speaker 1: think that is there a glimmer of hope that we've
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Speaker 1: got the purpse blood or DNA, be a skin blood anything.
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Speaker 13: Well, Nancy, we have very little information on what exactly
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Speaker 13: happened to these parents to this perpetrator.
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Speaker 8: So we have some.
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Speaker 13: Reports from nine to one one operators who took the
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Speaker 13: call from police dispatch radio that one of these little
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Speaker 13: girls saw their father stabbed by this suspect. So we
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Speaker 13: don't know exactly what they saw, but I think police
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Speaker 13: are on this theory that the suspects had a nice
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Speaker 13: he attacked these parents, and those parents were protecting their
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Speaker 13: children and they were not going to go down without
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Speaker 13: a fight and make sure that this perpetrator did not
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Speaker 13: attack their two little girls.
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Speaker 1: So I think.
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Speaker 13: Police believed that this suspect may have defensive wounds from
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Speaker 13: the parents who were trying to fight him off.
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Speaker 2: Yann would go for a white male suspect wearing black gloves, sunglasses,
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Speaker 2: or colored pants or to witness direction of travel was
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Speaker 2: quotes and laid across a bridge leaving Devil's Den and
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Speaker 2: stayed on the highways. Quote.
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Speaker 1: Okay, this is what we know about the perp. What
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Speaker 1: he looked like. We believe white male, black gloves, sunglasses,
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Speaker 1: dark pants, long sleeve shirt rolled up.
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Speaker 4: Interesting.
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Speaker 1: The only way his face is covered is with sunglasses.
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Speaker 4: We're not hearing about a hat.
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Speaker 1: We've also heard he had dark blonde to light brown hair.
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Speaker 4: Learning more at this hour, listen.
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Speaker 14: First responders here screams and calls for help. By the
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Speaker 14: time they reach the victims on the trail, it's clear
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Speaker 14: the victims are deceased, no sign of their attacker. Officers
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Speaker 14: quickly clear the trail, speaking with hikers as they exit
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Speaker 14: the park to piece together what happened. Several hikers remember
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Speaker 14: passing the family and many others on the trail, but
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Speaker 14: a few point out there was only one person they
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Speaker 14: saw alone on the trail that day, A medium build,
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Speaker 14: white man wearing dark clothes, a ball cap and sunglasses
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Speaker 14: with dark blonde or light brown hair.
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Speaker 2: That's that's going to be.
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Speaker 13: A white man wearing light gloves and light with a
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Speaker 13: dark colored cans and a dark color came off car
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Speaker 13: plate direct travel.
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Speaker 8: One of us were leaving the other again and stayed
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Speaker 8: on the highway.
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Speaker 1: Curious, I'm hearing an inconsistency. Some reports state that the
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Speaker 1: part pat on long long sleeve shirt with the slaves
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Speaker 1: rolled up there.
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Speaker 4: P We're hearing police.
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Speaker 1: Dispatch state that he had on a tank top. Very
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Speaker 1: curious that there would be a knife attack and the
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Speaker 1: kind of heat that Chris Adams is describing wearing a
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Speaker 1: tank top. Let's think that through. Is that how he
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Speaker 1: was injured, joining me an all star panel. But now
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Speaker 1: to doctor Pria Abanergy Board certified forensic pathologist, anatomic pathologist,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Priya, thank you for being with us, doctor Priya.
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Speaker 1: We're told that the purp was injured. There's got to
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Speaker 1: be evidence of that. It's got to be blood, got
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Speaker 1: to be explain how would we know looking at the victims'
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Speaker 1: bodies that the PURP had been injured. Great question.
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Speaker 15: I think that's where the money is. That this is
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Speaker 15: a stabbing up post and personal, and I mean just
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Speaker 15: breaks my heart as a girl mom too of a
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Speaker 15: ten year old.
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Speaker 1: That they witnessed this.
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Speaker 15: So this was not just a single stab. It sounds
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Speaker 15: like a very violent altercation. So we need to look
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Speaker 15: at the victims hands, look for defensive wounds and what's
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Speaker 15: the state of their nails, if there's any debris under them,
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Speaker 15: and rush that evidence.
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Speaker 4: That is going to be where the DNA is.
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Speaker 15: You know, they didn't give up, they fought back to
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Speaker 15: save their kids, and really that's where any sort of
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Speaker 15: DNA is going to be. Even I've even swabbed hands
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Speaker 15: at autopsy to try to get touched DNA or residual
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Speaker 15: any blood drops. You look to see if there's any
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Speaker 15: vertical blood drops like with the spatter pattern, to make
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Speaker 15: sure and see if potentially you can identify whether it's
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Speaker 15: victim's blood or what I'm hoping is injured assailant's blood
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Speaker 15: on clothing whatnot. And that's where the money will be for.
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Speaker 4: The DNA crime stories. With Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Two Ninette so So joining us from Devil's Den State Park,
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Speaker 1: we are also learning that the two little girls, just seven.
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Speaker 4: And nine, who were running for their lives.
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Speaker 1: Say the perps stabbed their dad and their mom yelled
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Speaker 1: at them to run as far and fast as they
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Speaker 1: can for help, and they heard the mom asking why
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Speaker 1: are you doing this and start to.
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Speaker 8: Scream exactly Nancy. That is what was reported with the
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Speaker 8: mother in distress telling and trying to save her girls,
21:38
Speaker 8: telling them to run, and when they did run, they
21:42
Speaker 8: made up with their life. About a mile away from
21:45
Speaker 8: where the attack happened. Reports state that his parents were
21:49
Speaker 8: found on the walking trail.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff Guardier with US clinical psychologists and Professor Doctor
21:56
Speaker 1: Jeff the brazen nature of the attack, and I'm gonna
22:01
Speaker 1: circle back to Ron Bateman, same thing in the Rachel
22:03
Speaker 1: Morn case. Doctor Jeff, we know that there were other
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Speaker 1: people on the trail, other adults. In fact, these two
22:11
Speaker 1: little girls seven and nine, were running. They could hear
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Speaker 1: their mom screaming in the background. They saw their dad
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Speaker 1: get stabbed. As of now, they have not identified the
22:22
Speaker 1: purp so it's not someone known to the little girls.
22:27
Speaker 1: But if there were other people on the trail, this
22:30
Speaker 1: guy has balls.
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Speaker 4: The size of coconuts.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's on the trail, can get caught, and
22:39
Speaker 1: he attacks with a knife. Anyway, the girls say they
22:42
Speaker 1: saw dad getting stabbed. That's where we're getting the idea
22:46
Speaker 1: that this was a stabbing, which, as you heard earlier
22:49
Speaker 1: from doctor Priya, is up close and personal. As she
22:52
Speaker 1: describes it, it's a whole nother mindset to stab somebody dead.
22:56
Speaker 1: It's not like a sniper in the distance taking a
22:59
Speaker 1: long shot. This is somebody fighting with you, grappling with you, screaming,
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Speaker 1: trying to get away, trying to attack you, and you
23:07
Speaker 1: keep stabbing repeatedly. And the brazen nature of doing this
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Speaker 1: on a trail where there's a lot of people.
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Speaker 10: So this is a person who probably waited to make
23:19
Speaker 10: sure that the trail was empty and only the parents
23:22
Speaker 10: and the children were there. That's number one. Number two
23:26
Speaker 10: the fact, Nancy, as you so aptly said here, this
23:30
Speaker 10: was with a knife and not a gun. So as
23:33
Speaker 10: doctor Priya would agree, I would think that this is
23:36
Speaker 10: about a very personal attack, even if he didn't know
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Speaker 10: the individuals. Someone wants to violate a family in every
23:45
Speaker 10: way possible by striking terror into their hearts and that
23:49
Speaker 10: of the children. And one last point here that the
23:54
Speaker 10: father perhaps was stabbed first, but the mother may not
23:58
Speaker 10: have just been fighting on off this individual, but also
24:02
Speaker 10: trying to keep that individual from chasing after the children.
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Speaker 10: And therefore whatever fighting she was doing was to protect herself,
24:12
Speaker 10: but at the same time to also try to contain
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Speaker 10: this individual long enough for the children to get away.
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Speaker 12: What's supposed to be a memorable family hike ends in
24:22
Speaker 12: a brutal tragedy when the bodies of a mom and
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Speaker 12: dad are suddenly discovered in Arkansas State Park.
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Speaker 1: As soon as this went public late last night, social
24:32
Speaker 1: media went.
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Speaker 4: Wild, and we're learning a lot. Listen.
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Speaker 16: Social media accounts are flooded with comments and accounts from
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Speaker 16: visitors to Devil's Den State Park on Saturday, and one
24:43
Speaker 16: mother is convinced her family passed both the brinks and
24:46
Speaker 16: their possible killer. On Devil's Den Trail. The mom says
24:50
Speaker 16: she and her five children ran into a family of
24:52
Speaker 16: four at a steep rock wall and exchanged pleasantries with
24:55
Speaker 16: the parents as they helped their daughters down. Not long after,
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Speaker 16: the mom decided to turn and ran it to someone
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Speaker 16: else at the same rock wall. This man was not
25:04
Speaker 16: interested in small talk and did not meet her eyes
25:07
Speaker 16: when she said excuse me on her family's behalf. The
25:09
Speaker 16: mother noticed that the man was also dressed oddly for
25:12
Speaker 16: the hot weather, wearing a dark long sleeve shirt.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Chris aka Turtleman Adams, survivalist experts to
25:20
Speaker 1: find him on Facebook Turtleman Chris Adams, Chris, we heard
25:26
Speaker 1: it first that the pert was wearing a tank top,
25:30
Speaker 1: which would have been appropriate in this weather, as you
25:34
Speaker 1: pointed out, But why would you expose your bare arms,
25:38
Speaker 1: neck and chest in that way for stabbing? Then social
25:43
Speaker 1: media finds out about the murders and goes wild.
25:46
Speaker 4: A woman actually writes.
25:48
Speaker 1: In that she turned back and she sees this guy
25:52
Speaker 1: wearing a dark long sleeve shirt and that struck her
25:58
Speaker 1: as odd. The weather explained, what would a normal hiker
26:04
Speaker 1: be wearing at Devil's Den.
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Speaker 6: An average hiker anywhere really at this time of year
26:10
Speaker 6: in the summer would be wearing those fishing net shirts.
26:13
Speaker 6: You know, breatheable. You want your skin covered for the
26:17
Speaker 6: most part. Down in those canyons and caverns. If you're
26:19
Speaker 6: in broad sunlight, it can get brutal. But some will
26:22
Speaker 6: wear things like tank tops and things of that nature.
26:26
Speaker 6: But my take on the whole hoodie thing is perhaps
26:29
Speaker 6: he had the hoodie on, took it off and he
26:31
Speaker 6: was seen in a tank top or vice versa. If
26:34
Speaker 6: he attacked them with a tank top on, he could
26:37
Speaker 6: have well just put it on afterwards, the hoodie to
26:39
Speaker 6: cover up any wounds on his arms, you know.
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Speaker 1: To Ron Bateman joining us former sheriff at Anne Arundel County,
26:48
Speaker 1: Maryland who extensively investigated the Rachel Moore in case, and
26:53
Speaker 1: we keep bringing up Rachel Moore and a mother of
26:56
Speaker 1: five just like this mother is a mother of two.
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Speaker 1: She was hiking solo, and I think Ron, it was
27:04
Speaker 1: early in the morning when she was hiking that said
27:09
Speaker 1: her boyfriend realized she didn't come home in time and
27:11
Speaker 1: starts searching finds her car at the trailhead and then
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Speaker 1: discovers her body. Of course he became state suspect number one.
27:19
Speaker 1: It's the love interest. He finds the body. It wasn't him.
27:24
Speaker 1: It was a purp, an illegal immigrant in this country
27:27
Speaker 1: who had already attacked people. A young girl in La
27:31
Speaker 1: in her own home that said Ron Bateman in this case,
27:36
Speaker 1: did you hear what Chris Adams was saying? The purp,
27:39
Speaker 1: first believed to be wearing a tank top, was on
27:42
Speaker 1: this hot trail. According to the eyewitness who went back
27:46
Speaker 1: with her children, he wouldn't do any small talk. They
27:49
Speaker 1: walked past him, and the moment excuse me on behalf
27:52
Speaker 1: of her whole family. He wouldn't speak, wouldn't look her
27:55
Speaker 1: in the eyes. And he was dressed nick to wrist
27:59
Speaker 1: to foot right. That's not normal.
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Speaker 7: No, it's not normal. And you know it goes into
28:04
Speaker 7: the subject of was he lying in wait, and which
28:07
Speaker 7: we can talk about extensively because of other things that
28:10
Speaker 7: we know.
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Speaker 4: But if I could real quick go back.
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Speaker 1: To it, do it, because you know what I want
28:15
Speaker 1: to hear. If you think he was lying in wait,
28:18
Speaker 1: I want to hear all the reasons why, because that
28:20
Speaker 1: will help me identify a suspect.
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Speaker 7: Okay, great, So let's talk about what something doctor Prias
28:25
Speaker 7: said real quick. I can't let it go. Yes, about
28:27
Speaker 7: the DNA underneath the fingernails a skin, Yes, that is
28:31
Speaker 7: super important. I investigated a double murder involving the suspect
28:35
Speaker 7: using a knife in a wooded area in the past,
28:38
Speaker 7: and one of the things when you're processing a scene
28:40
Speaker 7: outdoors is extremely difficult because you don't have area where
28:46
Speaker 7: you're going to find fingerprints. But what you do have
28:49
Speaker 7: a lot of times, it's not unusual during a night.
28:52
Speaker 1: Time stop stop, stop stop, Ron Bateman. Hey, you can't
28:56
Speaker 1: just drop a bomb on us like that, a fact bomb.
29:00
Speaker 1: You're totally correct, But explain to everybody why an outdoor
29:03
Speaker 1: scene is so hard to process. I mean, in Rachel Mooren,
29:07
Speaker 1: you found a pool of blood near the body and
29:10
Speaker 1: she had been raped, brutally sex assaulted. So we got
29:14
Speaker 1: DNA matching up to an unknown perp. But it's really
29:17
Speaker 1: hard to process an outdoor scene. Explain why what are
29:21
Speaker 1: you going to get a fingerprint off a tree? It's
29:23
Speaker 1: hard exactly.
29:24
Speaker 7: Outdoor scenes are so difficult, especially if it ends up
29:27
Speaker 7: braining during the course of your processing. But it did
29:29
Speaker 7: in this case. But what you're looking for in a
29:33
Speaker 7: scene in the outdoors or a footprints if you have
29:36
Speaker 7: some kind of soil that's strong enough to hold a footprint.
29:41
Speaker 7: But in the case of a stabbing, it's not unusual
29:44
Speaker 7: for the assailant to be injured because of some kind
29:47
Speaker 7: of struggle that took place. So therefore you're really looking
29:51
Speaker 7: honing in for blood, and they may have found blood
29:55
Speaker 7: away from the bodies as the suspect was fleeing the area.
29:59
Speaker 7: That's what I would say is probably going to happen
30:01
Speaker 7: in this case because Clinton Brick is a pretty big dude,
30:06
Speaker 7: and he's going to put up a fight for his family,
30:08
Speaker 7: especially with a knife, and so I wouldn't be surprised
30:12
Speaker 7: if the suspects injured and that was found as a
30:14
Speaker 7: part of the process and processing of the scene.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Bateman, everything you just said is correct, except and
30:22
Speaker 1: it's still correct, But the likelihood they're going to get
30:25
Speaker 1: a footprint on a trail slim to none. Everything else,
30:33
Speaker 1: I'm down with it. I mean, Chris Adams, how are
30:35
Speaker 1: you going to get a footprint off a trail like
30:38
Speaker 1: this unless it's been wet and you can actually see
30:42
Speaker 1: for instance, the tread on the bottom of the shoe.
30:45
Speaker 4: Otherwise it's just not going to happen.
30:47
Speaker 6: Even for a good tracker, it's going to be difficult.
30:51
Speaker 6: You know that the part said there were very few
30:53
Speaker 6: visitors the last few days, but that doesn't mean there
30:57
Speaker 6: wasn't an influx of people a week before. I don't
30:59
Speaker 6: know if it's rained or if it hasn't, but those
31:02
Speaker 6: footprints set pretty quickly. Now off trail, you may be
31:07
Speaker 6: able to find one much easier. Your average crowd is
31:09
Speaker 6: going to stick to that trail, but this all happened
31:12
Speaker 6: on a trail, so it's hard to determine how you're
31:15
Speaker 6: going to find that exact footprint.
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know,
31:29
Speaker 1: Angel Lewis is joining US high profile lawyer SIRC Law firm,
31:33
Speaker 1: and for my purposes, former felony prosecutor who has prosecuted
31:38
Speaker 1: a lot of cases, including homicide cases. Angel Lewis, there's
31:43
Speaker 1: something you brought up earlier, and Ron Bateman just.
31:46
Speaker 4: Brought it up.
31:47
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about the Rachel Mooren case, and
31:50
Speaker 1: I've got other similar cases, like the serial killer Israel
31:53
Speaker 1: Keys who hunted people that were our veers and hikers
31:57
Speaker 1: all across the country.
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Speaker 4: And I've got them on talking about it.
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Speaker 1: Complete total perv that said they would pick on people
32:06
Speaker 1: that were less powerful or less cunning than themselves. There's
32:16
Speaker 1: whack a doodle right there. That's Israel Keys. He would
32:20
Speaker 1: specifically go to hiking trails, RV camps, tent camps, dispersed
32:27
Speaker 1: camping areas, and he would get people and murder them
32:31
Speaker 1: at their weakest moments. But Andrea, you brought this up,
32:36
Speaker 1: as did Bateman and in Morin who did the perp
32:40
Speaker 1: attack alone, female, unarmed, Andrea, you brought it up. This
32:46
Speaker 1: guy is big, Clinton Brink, that's a big guy. Hey,
32:53
Speaker 1: Control room, do you mind putting up a picture of him?
32:55
Speaker 1: Can't You can't really tell in a lot of these
32:58
Speaker 1: pictures how big he is because, like you know, I
33:00
Speaker 1: got a close up. Oh and another thing, when I
33:02
Speaker 1: go back to Jeff Gardier, these photos are just breaking
33:06
Speaker 1: my heart. They're not professional photos. They're happy photos taken
33:13
Speaker 1: by them at some of the happiest.
33:16
Speaker 4: Moments of their lives.
33:18
Speaker 1: Like I look through my phone and I see all
33:20
Speaker 1: these candid moments with David and the twins, and it's
33:25
Speaker 1: just like the happiest moments of our lives.
33:28
Speaker 4: Look at that. Look at that.
33:30
Speaker 1: It's like the ultimate American family out with their children
33:36
Speaker 1: before everybody has to go back to school on a
33:39
Speaker 1: heighth thinking they were doing a fun.
33:41
Speaker 4: Thing, making memories. As I like to say.
33:45
Speaker 1: But Andrea, this purp took that. That's a good one.
33:50
Speaker 1: He's almost as big as Woody.
33:52
Speaker 2: Right.
33:54
Speaker 1: This is a big dude, right, and the purp took
33:58
Speaker 1: on not only him but the mom.
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Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, and you know bringing up Israel. He's that's interesting.
34:05
Speaker 9: Because he was, as you noted, he was also someone
34:09
Speaker 9: who waited for people in very isolated scenarios and isolated scenes.
34:16
Speaker 9: He was someone who preyed upon those who likely couldn't
34:19
Speaker 9: fight back. What makes us wonder, you know, we know
34:22
Speaker 9: that he was into weighted area. Even in this case
34:27
Speaker 9: he's armed. I presume he's assuming that those who are
34:31
Speaker 9: out for a lovely family afternoon with their small children
34:35
Speaker 9: are not going to come to the trail heavily armed,
34:38
Speaker 9: and then he looks at that as an opportunity to attack,
34:42
Speaker 9: which is obviously what happened here. Now to your point
34:46
Speaker 9: about the size, I agree with you, and that strikes
34:49
Speaker 9: me as very odd that one may consider that he
34:56
Speaker 9: may have been thinking, Okay, Dad is going to be
35:00
Speaker 9: so caught up in trying to protect the family this
35:03
Speaker 9: and that likely not be prepared.
35:05
Speaker 5: We don't know.
35:06
Speaker 9: Maybe he's wearing a backpack, he's got a bunch of
35:08
Speaker 9: things in his hands, who knows. But maybe he then
35:12
Speaker 9: thinks he can catch him off guard if he's armed
35:14
Speaker 9: and sneaks up behind it or something of that nature.
35:16
Speaker 9: But it is a very strange crime. And the first
35:19
Speaker 9: thing that came to mind as we were talking about before,
35:22
Speaker 9: is maybe he sees the beautiful young girls come through
35:24
Speaker 9: with the family, becomes fixated on them and says, look,
35:29
Speaker 9: I'm going to do what I got to do to
35:31
Speaker 9: take out this these loving parents in order to get
35:35
Speaker 9: what he ultimately desired.
35:37
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just thinking of this through doctor Jeff.
35:40
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to talk to you about
35:42
Speaker 1: who is this perp willing to take on a big dude,
35:47
Speaker 1: the husband, the wife. What is motivating him. We're not
35:52
Speaker 1: hearing anything about a sex tack on, mom. We're not
35:54
Speaker 1: hearing anything.
35:55
Speaker 4: About a robbery. So of course, a.
35:59
Speaker 1: State, as you know, doesn't have to prove motive a trial.
36:02
Speaker 1: You never have to go bang around into the defendant's
36:05
Speaker 1: head to figure out, well, what were they thinking?
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Speaker 4: You don't have to.
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Speaker 1: Prove that, but as a practical matter, doctor Jeff a
36:12
Speaker 1: jury wants to hear motive like him Brian Coburger, right,
36:16
Speaker 1: that piece of crap, may he writ in hell, people were.
36:20
Speaker 4: Hung up at the get go.
36:21
Speaker 1: Why would this guy, a PhD go into the home
36:27
Speaker 1: at three four o'clock in the morning and murder four
36:30
Speaker 1: people without a sex attack, without a robbery.
36:33
Speaker 4: He didn't even know them.
36:35
Speaker 1: So it would be hard for some people on the jury,
36:38
Speaker 1: not me, but some people to piece together that you
36:42
Speaker 1: don't need a motive, or that you will never know
36:45
Speaker 1: the motive. But I'm looking for a motive because it
36:48
Speaker 1: may help me identify who.
36:50
Speaker 4: Is this guy?
36:51
Speaker 1: For instance, was he a neighbor and he had been
36:54
Speaker 1: had been living there for long they had just moved
36:57
Speaker 1: to thee through the jurisdiction. And was this a neighbor
37:01
Speaker 1: that saw the little girl say like in Shasta a
37:04
Speaker 1: Dylan grownee in the above ground pool and went hey,
37:07
Speaker 1: I want that little girl.
37:09
Speaker 4: Did he follow them? Did he know them?
37:12
Speaker 1: Was he lying in wait for just the right little
37:15
Speaker 1: girl to try to steal. I mean, who is this guy?
37:19
Speaker 1: Give me some insight, doctor, Jeff.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think that this is a person who not
37:25
Speaker 10: only may have wanted to violate the little girls. We
37:29
Speaker 10: still don't know that, of course, but that's a theory.
37:32
Speaker 10: But this is a person who wanted to say.
37:35
Speaker 1: Words like that. Well, this is a person saying violate.
37:39
Speaker 1: You make it sound like he had a traffic citation,
37:43
Speaker 1: violated right of way if that's his word, If he
37:46
Speaker 1: wants to rape the little girl, put it out there.
37:51
Speaker 1: I don't have time for niceties. This is not high
37:54
Speaker 1: tea at Windsor Castle.
37:55
Speaker 4: Jeff.
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Speaker 10: I totally understand Nancy. But I use the word violation
38:00
Speaker 10: because it's more than just a possible sex attack, but
38:04
Speaker 10: a complete attack on the entire family. This is someone
38:09
Speaker 10: who may have had intense hatred or resentment towards family structures.
38:14
Speaker 10: You ask for a motivation, and I'm giving you one.
38:17
Speaker 10: This is a person perhaps who came from a background
38:21
Speaker 10: like Coburger, where he had, you know, situations where he
38:26
Speaker 10: felt that he was being treated like a piece of
38:28
Speaker 10: crap or didn't have a happy family, and therefore this
38:33
Speaker 10: violation of the whole family structure. It is an abomination.
38:38
Speaker 10: He may not have only wanted to destroy these little girls,
38:41
Speaker 10: but to destroy the entire family. That is a real perversion.
38:48
Speaker 11: I'm ready for the first responders, sat reflee. That's all possible.
38:53
Speaker 11: Fabvingtensive heart question. County received a call from the visitor
38:58
Speaker 11: center to children are their advised that their parents were assaulted,
39:04
Speaker 11: one was possibly stabbed.
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Speaker 5: The parents are missing.
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Speaker 2: You guys, has just security Devilston you are still in round.
39:11
Speaker 2: Attacked the mail and a femail on Devilston Hiking trail
39:14
Speaker 2: and then took off on a small black sports car
39:17
Speaker 2: with tables with plee and we suspect the suspect of
39:19
Speaker 2: the injuries due to the witness seeing the suspect stab
39:23
Speaker 2: one of them.
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Speaker 1: We are live at Devil's Den State Park, Arkansas. A
39:28
Speaker 1: mother and a father in the prime of their life
39:31
Speaker 1: with their two little girls. The two little girls ages
39:36
Speaker 1: seven and nine, with mommy and daddy on a hike
39:41
Speaker 1: before everybody has to go back to school. Both of
39:45
Speaker 1: these parents nurses. The parents are dead, stabbed dead. At
39:52
Speaker 1: this hour, there is a man hunt for the perp.
39:56
Speaker 1: The two little girls mom yells to them to run
40:00
Speaker 1: and get away, and they do. They see their father
40:05
Speaker 1: getting stabbed dead, and they hear their mother screaming with
40:12
Speaker 1: me an all star panels straight out to Nanette Sosa
40:15
Speaker 1: standing by at Devil's Den State Park.
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Speaker 4: One, we have a composite sketch.
40:20
Speaker 1: Two the FBI has gotten involved, and three a vehicle
40:26
Speaker 1: was spotted. This is such malice a forethought. There was
40:31
Speaker 1: duct tape or electrical tape over at least part of
40:35
Speaker 1: the tag number. I mean, this guy put a lot
40:41
Speaker 1: of thought into this. Let's start with a composite sketch,
40:44
Speaker 1: Nanette Sosa, what do you know?
40:45
Speaker 8: The composite sketch shows a white male with the ball
40:50
Speaker 8: cap and his eyes are set close together. His face
40:56
Speaker 8: looks unshaven. It's a very somber look how it's drawn out,
41:02
Speaker 8: how it's sketched. And then the shirt that he's wearing
41:07
Speaker 8: is more like a sweatshirt type of shirt for this sketch.
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Speaker 1: Putting together a sketch like this is extremely laborious. Ron
41:18
Speaker 1: Bateman with us. Remember we got the sketch of the
41:22
Speaker 1: Rachel Morin.
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Speaker 4: That's the case you.
41:24
Speaker 1: Investigated, perp and it was dead on as best as
41:29
Speaker 1: we could get it, and he was caught on cam,
41:32
Speaker 1: but only his back was caught on cam when he
41:36
Speaker 1: attacked a little girl out in California and related to
41:40
Speaker 1: the Rachel Moore in case. Ron Bateman, former sheriff and
41:45
Speaker 1: Arundel County, Maryland, Ron, how do you make a composite sketch?
41:50
Speaker 7: Hopefully we have witnesses, adult witnesses, because your two juveniles
41:56
Speaker 7: are going to be extremely upset and probably there their
41:59
Speaker 7: view of things are going to be skewed. But so
42:01
Speaker 7: hopefully we have some adults that are not emotionally involved
42:04
Speaker 7: in this and we're able to give good, accurate descriptions
42:08
Speaker 7: of the suspect to allow such a very crisp, clean
42:12
Speaker 7: composite of the suspect.
42:14
Speaker 4: I like it, Cydney Sumner. What do we know about
42:17
Speaker 4: the car?
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Speaker 13: We know that the car is a four door black Sedan.
42:21
Speaker 13: The word sports car was thrown around frequently in initial reports,
42:27
Speaker 13: and a nine one one operator has confirmed that with
42:30
Speaker 13: other calls, she's kind of ruled out that it was
42:33
Speaker 13: a muscle car, so we know it wasn't like an
42:36
Speaker 13: American Mustang something of that sort. And this nine to
42:40
Speaker 13: one one operator, who has a special pensian for cars
42:45
Speaker 13: and types of cars, believes that it's probably a foreign car,
42:50
Speaker 13: an import. So we also heard at one point a
42:54
Speaker 13: twenty twelve Magda, but police ruled out that car as
43:00
Speaker 13: a suspect vehicle because it was still in the park
43:03
Speaker 13: as they were completing their investigation. So all we really
43:07
Speaker 13: have to go on is this four door black sedan
43:10
Speaker 13: feels more like a sports car. And people who called
43:14
Speaker 13: about this car said that it was driving erradically when
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Speaker 13: it left the park. Somebody said they felt like they
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Speaker 13: were almost hit by this car. When they reported it.
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Speaker 13: They said it's very, very loud. That's one of the
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Speaker 13: big commonalities. And the other one is that that license
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Speaker 13: plate is covered in some kind of tape, electrical duct tape.
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Speaker 1: Black four door sedan. This is interesting. The license plate
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Speaker 1: either fully or partially obscured by electrical or duct tape.
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Speaker 1: I seventy or two twenty covering up part of the
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Speaker 1: tag number with duck tape.
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Speaker 4: You know what that tells me? Area Lewis this ain't
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Speaker 4: his first.
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Speaker 1: Time at the rodeo. I mean, I wouldn't think if
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Speaker 1: I were going out for a hike. Why do you
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Speaker 1: cover up part of your tag number with duct tape?
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Speaker 1: That's MENSRAA Malisa forethought intent intent out the yanyang.
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Speaker 9: Yes, that is a huge piece of evidence here that
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Speaker 9: shows us there is no question this was premeditated. He
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Speaker 9: was not going there for a hike, He was not
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Speaker 9: going there to do any bird watching. This was a
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Speaker 9: man who went to the park that day with one
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Speaker 9: thing in mind. He's going to commit a crime.
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Speaker 1: What was that crime?
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Speaker 9: That's what we're trying to determine. Did he go there
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Speaker 9: to initially rob someone, to unfortunately possibly get access to
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Speaker 9: young children, or was it as it ended up, to
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Speaker 9: murder two innocent parents. We don't yet know. But what
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Speaker 9: we do know is he put thought into this. And
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Speaker 9: to your point, Nancy, which is an excellent point, people
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Speaker 9: who are this brazen generally have done this before. You
44:58
Speaker 9: don't come up with this stuff on your first go round.
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Speaker 9: This man knew what he was doing and that says
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Speaker 9: a lot.
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Speaker 1: Agreed. Disagree, Uctor Jeff Gardier, you're the psychologist.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I absolutely agree. We typically see that these types
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Speaker 10: of individuals either follow or study these types of tactics,
45:17
Speaker 10: or I've done them before. The other thing about this
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Speaker 10: tape that was used on the license plates, I suspect
45:26
Speaker 10: either he knew he would dump the car as quickly
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Speaker 10: as possible, because that would draw attention to the car
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Speaker 10: on a highway trying.
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Speaker 4: To obscure your license plates or pull off.
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Speaker 10: Somewhere and then pull off the tape and then get
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Speaker 10: back into the car.
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Speaker 5: And that.
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Speaker 4: There are some reports that he was wearing gloves.
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Speaker 8: Yes, you're correct, fingerless gloves at that which would we fingerprints?
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Speaker 8: I would And if he stand these husband and wife
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Speaker 8: and wife, so I would think there's some prints to
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Speaker 8: be found somewhere possibly. And also the couple were again
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Speaker 8: they were found on the trail.
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Speaker 4: On the trail. Rachel Morien was dragged off the trail.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Chris Adams, you're the survivalist who goes hiking.
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Speaker 1: And what I'm getting at Chris is that he had
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Speaker 1: nefarious intent, malicious intent going into this. He wasn't just
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Speaker 1: on the show and went hey, I want to molest
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Speaker 1: a little girl. And there one is he went in
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Speaker 1: with his tag obscured with duct tape or some people
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Speaker 1: call it electrical tape, and he was wearing gloves and
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Speaker 1: it's ninety degrees Are you sure about that? Chris Adams
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Speaker 1: long sleeves, dark long pants, a dark baseball cap, sunglasses
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Speaker 1: and gloves to go hiking up a hill in ninety
46:55
Speaker 1: what five degree temperatures.
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Speaker 6: Chris Adams as someone who acts a bunch of tra
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Speaker 6: that would be a person I'd immediately keep an eye
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Speaker 6: on if it was anywhere near me. It already sounds suspicious.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't sound like an average hacker. This was somebody
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Speaker 6: with intent to do harm to someone. As far as
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Speaker 6: I'm concerned, your average hackers don't dress like that, and
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Speaker 6: they definitely don't act like that.
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Speaker 1: Tip line the Arkansas State Police for seven nine seven
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Speaker 1: five one six' six six y three repeat four seven
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Speaker 1: nine seven five one six' six six.
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Speaker 4: Y three i can't stress enough how much we need.
47:34
Speaker 1: Citizen Sleuths gabby batito's case would never have been Solved
47:42
Speaker 1: If red Blue AND methane i believe was their handle
47:46
Speaker 1: online did not spot Her white ford transit and. Dispersed parking.
47:52
Speaker 1: Her body what was left of it was found a good.
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Speaker 4: Distance away from.
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Speaker 1: That van but if they hadn't seen it and, reported
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Speaker 1: it we would never know what Happened To.
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Speaker 4: Gabby petito.
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Speaker 1: Dispersed camping is there are no, electrical hookups, no, Bathrooms
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Speaker 1: nothing you are out in.
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Speaker 4: The wild she would.
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Speaker 1: Never have, been found and we've been told that she
48:19
Speaker 1: was identified originally by, her sweatshirt not by, her body
48:25
Speaker 1: because animals had already.
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Speaker 4: Attacked it that's how much we need.
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Speaker 1: Citizens louse not just people on the trail that may
48:32
Speaker 1: have seen or observed something we don't, know yet but
48:35
Speaker 1: people regarding.
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Speaker 4: That car it. Was loud what does?
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Speaker 1: That mean, don't know couldn't mean any number. Of things
48:43
Speaker 1: we know it was a four Door. Black sedan some
48:46
Speaker 1: people thought it Was, a mazda and we know the
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Speaker 1: tag was obscured with black duct tape indicating malicious intent
48:57
Speaker 1: along with what he. Was wearing these parents died trying
49:02
Speaker 1: to save their two. Little girls this guy is on
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Speaker 1: the loose tip line four seventy nine seven five one
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Speaker 1: six six six three a brazen attack and now police
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Speaker 1: are looking for the vehicle and they're scouring twenty five
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Speaker 1: hundred acres. Of wilderness one, Quick Question tonette sosa joining
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Speaker 1: Us From Devil's? Den park are their cams at the entry?
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Speaker 1: And exit if he left in a vehicle and didn't
49:40
Speaker 1: leave on the front the perimeter of the, park itself
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Speaker 1: we might have a shot at getting a good description of.
49:46
Speaker 1: The car are there cams for.
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Speaker 8: The entrances and the exits Here At. Devil's den regarding
49:53
Speaker 8: CAMERAS where i have information could be, picked up they're.
49:58
Speaker 8: Not sure the authorities here have not directly answered. The
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Speaker 8: question it has, BEEN asked i, personally asked but that
50:06
Speaker 8: has not. Been disclosed you're looking at twenty five hundred
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Speaker 8: acres and in between the waterfalls, rock formations you have,
50:14
Speaker 8: twelve trails you, got. Campsites cavins the area is rule
50:18
Speaker 8: and not. Just that if you're on one of, the
50:19
Speaker 8: trails it's likely you don't even have. Cellular service you
50:23
Speaker 8: can't even make a. Phone call so there's. That thought
50:26
Speaker 8: but as far, as cameras that has not been, officially
50:30
Speaker 8: disclosed at least not, to me and.
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Speaker 4: That is why we.
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Speaker 1: Need YOU the fbi has been brought in to Help
50:37
Speaker 1: The Arkansas. State police if you saw, this vehicle if
50:41
Speaker 1: you have a home or. Business Camra Remember, alex murdoch
50:45
Speaker 1: another sack of crap that murdered his wife, And son
50:49
Speaker 1: Maggie and paul to cover up his own financial wrongdoings
50:53
Speaker 1: to the tune of millions of dollars.
50:55
Speaker 4: He's stealing.
50:57
Speaker 1: He went down a rural road and he faked an
51:02
Speaker 1: attempt on his life to cover the fact that he is.
51:06
Speaker 1: The killer there were, no cameras but. Guess what at
51:10
Speaker 1: the entrance of that rural road was A little baptist
51:14
Speaker 1: church and guess what they had. A camera so any
51:20
Speaker 1: camera footage we, Need it please Help The Arkansas. State
51:26
Speaker 1: police these little girls need to grow up knowing that.
51:32
Speaker 1: We cared we didn't just talk, about it we did something.
51:36
Speaker 1: About it four, seventy, nine, seven, five, one six six.
51:40
Speaker 1: Sixty three and now we Remember an american, Hero Officer
51:46
Speaker 1: dril islam N, y pd just, thirty six shot and
51:52
Speaker 1: killed at an office Tower, in manhattan providing security leeves behind,
51:58
Speaker 1: his wife who, is pregnant and two.
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Speaker 4: Little children.
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Speaker 1: American Hero Officer Deirul Islam nancy grace signing off. Goodbye
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Speaker 1: friend