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- 0:00Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
- 0:04Speaker 1: six forty.
- 0:10Speaker 2: Can't fie Bill Handle here. It is a Friday morning,
- 0:14Speaker 2: April tenth. Some of the stories we're looking at in
- 0:19Speaker 2: the story of the war with the United States and
- 0:21Speaker 2: run Vice President Vance, Steve Whitcoff, and Jared Kushner. The
- 0:27Speaker 2: two of them, Witcoff and Kushner I have been the
- 0:30Speaker 2: leads in negotiating or try and negotiate an end of
- 0:33Speaker 2: this war. Well, all three of them, Vance, Witcoff and
- 0:36Speaker 2: Jared Kushner are on their way to Pakistan to hold
- 0:39Speaker 2: talks with Iranians and trying to get a looking across
- 0:43Speaker 2: each other eyeball to eyeball. And inflation not good three
- 0:48Speaker 2: point three percent, but that was led by a twenty
- 0:52Speaker 2: one percent increase for gasoline. Okay, Now, what's going on
- 0:58Speaker 2: I talked about this last week, and that is that
- 1:01Speaker 2: there's going to be a strike, and it is three
- 1:05Speaker 2: unions that work with and work I guess under LA
- 1:10Speaker 2: Unified School District and the threat. What makes this very
- 1:14Speaker 2: different is that these three unions unions are doing this
- 1:18Speaker 2: together and they represent eighty five percent of the eighty
- 1:22Speaker 2: three thousand workers that work at unified school district teachers,
- 1:27Speaker 2: support staff, administrators, and April fourteenth is the strike date.
- 1:33Speaker 2: Now what is different is you've got the United Teachers
- 1:38Speaker 2: Los Angeles. You've got Local ninety nine Service Employees International Union.
- 1:44Speaker 2: You have the associate administrators of LA and they're about
- 1:49Speaker 2: seventy thousand of the system's eighty three thousand employees, and
- 1:53Speaker 2: they hold all the key positions at campuses, principals, teachers,
- 1:56Speaker 2: food workers, et cetera. And this thing, if it goes,
- 2:00Speaker 2: you know, if they don't come to a deal, the
- 2:03Speaker 2: schools shut down. I mean there is no Usually when
- 2:06Speaker 2: teachers go on strike, principals, the school district figures out
- 2:09Speaker 2: a way to do it. And when let's say the
- 2:13Speaker 2: food workers go on strike, they figure out a way,
- 2:16Speaker 2: you know, for previous lunch ladies or wherever. But this one
- 2:20Speaker 2: is it just shuts down. One of the which I
- 2:25Speaker 2: never really understood. It used to be that you were
- 2:29Speaker 2: members of a union. Let's say you were a worker, bee,
- 2:35Speaker 2: a teacher. Even now, once you hit management, you're no
- 2:38Speaker 2: longer in the union. There's no such thing as a
- 2:41Speaker 2: management union. The same thing when we had government employees,
- 2:46Speaker 2: state government employees. Once you were a government employee, you
- 2:51Speaker 2: could not strike. You were not being you were not
- 2:54Speaker 2: able to be a union. That all blew up. Now
- 2:57Speaker 2: everybody's in the union, and it's it's just a very
- 3:01Speaker 2: different world. Anyway, a lot more, a lot more ammunition.
- 3:05Speaker 2: And now we're looking at these schools just shutting down,
- 3:10Speaker 2: and this is LA Unified. Now. It just so happens
- 3:12Speaker 2: we have someone here at the station on our show
- 3:15Speaker 2: that happens to have a child that is LA Unified
- 3:18Speaker 2: one of the schools, and Neil, you're looking at this
- 3:21Speaker 2: strike and Max is going to be affected, and come
- 3:24Speaker 2: April fourteen, what are you guys going to do?
- 3:27Speaker 3: You know, we've been talking about this because.
- 3:31Speaker 4: We don't know exactly what's going to go down, because
- 3:34Speaker 4: no one at the school knows, yeah, as to what's
- 3:36Speaker 4: going to go down. We may be one of the
- 3:39Speaker 4: houses because we often work from home, my wife and I,
- 3:42Speaker 4: so we may be one of the houses that the
- 3:44Speaker 4: kids can come to if the school is shut down completely,
- 3:48Speaker 4: because there's a lot of people that can't do that. Yeah,
- 3:50Speaker 4: you have to go into work and regardless, you know,
- 3:55Speaker 4: but you get torn. I think I like our school
- 3:58Speaker 4: a lot. I like the teachers. I like the administration there.
- 4:00Speaker 4: I think they do a great job and they work
- 4:03Speaker 4: very hard for the kids, and they deserve the pay
- 4:06Speaker 4: that they get. But you know, they're looking at what
- 4:10Speaker 4: four days. They're talking about the possibility of going four
- 4:12Speaker 4: days or so just to start, and the hope is
- 4:16Speaker 4: that they come to some sort of conclusion within that
- 4:18Speaker 4: four days.
- 4:19Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things that are going on. The
- 4:22Speaker 2: unions are saying that the school board has five billion
- 4:25Speaker 2: dollars in reserves, they have plenty of money. School comes
- 4:29Speaker 2: back with, actually, we don't. We only have three point
- 4:31Speaker 2: eight billion dollars in reserves, and most of that is
- 4:35Speaker 2: money that is set aside and is by law for
- 4:39Speaker 2: specific purposes and it can't be used for anything else.
- 4:43Speaker 2: But that's still billions of dollars. You know how much
- 4:45Speaker 2: money the schools have to raise for things. I've said
- 4:49Speaker 2: this before.
- 4:49Speaker 4: You don't have reserves if the schools aren't perfect, if
- 4:56Speaker 4: the school you should see where the teachers have to eat,
- 4:59Speaker 4: the you know, the playgrounds that need to be upgraded,
- 5:04Speaker 4: all these things all over Los Angeles. You can't have
- 5:07Speaker 4: reserves unless everything is fixed at the schools already. You know,
- 5:10Speaker 4: what I'm saying, it's doesn't they'd say reserves, and it's
- 5:13Speaker 4: it doesn't make any sense because we still get asked
- 5:16Speaker 4: as parents to pay for things and for charity stuff
- 5:20Speaker 4: helping They have a charity for the schools.
- 5:23Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's new because I went to LA unified
- 5:26Speaker 2: elementary kindergarten all the way through high school, and when
- 5:31Speaker 2: I was in elementary school or even through junior high
- 5:35Speaker 2: in high school, the thought of parents coming in and
- 5:38Speaker 2: helping the school out the only thing. I went to
- 5:40Speaker 2: Birmingham High the parents were asked to help build the
- 5:45Speaker 2: stadium at one point.
- 5:47Speaker 3: Sure, they do bigs.
- 5:49Speaker 2: It was the at that time, it was the biggest
- 5:52Speaker 2: and best stadium high school stadium in the country with
- 5:54Speaker 2: the lights and all of that. The parents were asked
- 5:56Speaker 2: to help raise money for that, but that was it.
- 5:59Speaker 3: There is.
- 6:00Speaker 4: My wife is the president of the charity arm of
- 6:03Speaker 4: our school, and so the amount I'm not going to
- 6:08Speaker 4: give any details here, but the amount is quite large
- 6:11Speaker 4: that they have to raise every year to help hire
- 6:15Speaker 4: extra teachers, aids and things like that for the school,
- 6:20Speaker 4: and they do multiple fundraisers throughout the year.
- 6:23Speaker 2: Well, the school, well, what's going to happen is school's
- 6:26Speaker 2: going to shut down. And to Neil's point, he and
- 6:28Speaker 2: his wife both work at home. The problem is is
- 6:32Speaker 2: that when you have two people working and they're not
- 6:35Speaker 2: making a pile of money, the school is daycare, and
- 6:39Speaker 2: what do you do when there is no daycare?
- 6:42Speaker 4: Not to mention, it's not even passive like that. Somebody's
- 6:46Speaker 4: got to watch the kid. You want them to be
- 6:48Speaker 4: learning during that time. If our kid, if Max is
- 6:52Speaker 4: going to be home during that time, he's still going
- 6:54Speaker 4: to have school.
- 6:56Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
- 6:57Speaker 4: You've got my wife the word he's going to have school,
- 7:00Speaker 4: but the word learning and LA unified are mutually exclusive.
- 7:06Speaker 4: We're lucky, we've got we've got a good school. We've
- 7:09Speaker 4: got very active parents, very active teachers, very active.
- 7:12Speaker 2: Protect and that is I don't know how many schools that.
- 7:15Speaker 3: Are like that.
- 7:18Speaker 4: I'm actually quite thrilled. But not every school is like that.
- 7:22Speaker 3: Now, you know, and.
- 7:25Speaker 4: We're not are many of our schools aren't getting passing
- 7:28Speaker 4: grades as schools. We're now we're now below Mississippi.
- 7:32Speaker 2: Yes, in terms of money that was spent. We used
- 7:34Speaker 2: to have one of the best school systems in the
- 7:37Speaker 2: country and that's all gone. To hell in a handbas kid.
- 7:39Speaker 2: But a lot of it is not the fault of
- 7:41Speaker 2: administrators in the schools, because you have an enormous somewhere.
- 7:46Speaker 2: Yeah so, and there's that, but you also have a
- 7:48Speaker 2: huge number of immigrants that are coming in, both legal
- 7:52Speaker 2: and illegal, and those kids all go to school. By law,
- 7:56Speaker 2: they have to be put in school until they graduate
- 7:59Speaker 2: highcho And when you have someone that's just come over
- 8:02Speaker 2: and doesn't speak English and still goes to high school,
- 8:05Speaker 2: that's a very difficult person to teach English's second language.
- 8:09Speaker 2: Parents are not involved because they're outworking like crazy just
- 8:12Speaker 2: to survive. It's a tough way for a school district
- 8:16Speaker 2: to run. And so you know, you can't blame the
- 8:21Speaker 2: administration or the teachers. It's just much more difficult than
- 8:24Speaker 2: in other places. All right, a story about the Olympics.
- 8:27Speaker 2: First of all, start with a little factoid. There are
- 8:30Speaker 2: actually two Olympic Games modern Olympic Games in history that
- 8:35Speaker 2: have made money, that have done better than breaking even
- 8:38Speaker 2: or have lost a fortune. Both of them were here
- 8:42Speaker 2: in Los Angeles nineteen thirty two Olympics nineteen eighty four
- 8:45Speaker 2: Olympics both ran a profit. The other Olympics, my God
- 8:51Speaker 2: went into the toilet. I think the biggest loser was Beijing.
- 8:55Speaker 2: It was like sixty billion dollars or something, but they
- 8:59Speaker 2: didn't care.
- 9:00Speaker 3: Was that the girl in the red dress city?
- 9:03Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, that was the girl in the red dress
- 9:05Speaker 2: singing yes, And that's worth a picture. We should post
- 9:08Speaker 2: that if you cana Instagram in any case. So here's
- 9:13Speaker 2: the fear is this time around in Los Angeles because
- 9:16Speaker 2: this is number three. Next year we've got the Olympics
- 9:20Speaker 2: coming to town and the Olympic Committee, the people that
- 9:25Speaker 2: put it together, it's La twenty eight. This is not
- 9:29Speaker 2: the government, this is These are private It's a private
- 9:33Speaker 2: organization that puts it together in conjunction with the government.
- 9:37Speaker 2: And here is the problem is that the city, city
- 9:41Speaker 2: council people are thinking that the city is going to
- 9:45Speaker 2: suck up a lot of money and go into huge
- 9:49Speaker 2: deficit in the city's gonna have to pay for it. Now,
- 9:53Speaker 2: there's a couple of reasons why that is. I can
- 9:55Speaker 2: think of one is the last time, in nineteen eighty four,
- 10:00Speaker 2: security was nothing like it is today. Security is completely insane.
- 10:07Speaker 2: It's almost like you have to have a police officer
- 10:10Speaker 2: on every corner and the overtime, and the helicopters overhead
- 10:14Speaker 2: and the snipers just to protect the Olympics, and then
- 10:19Speaker 2: you have folks that maybe they don't know what they're doing.
- 10:22Speaker 2: The other one is a little bit of a problem.
- 10:25Speaker 2: Is that head of the Olympics, and is that Wasserman
- 10:30Speaker 2: I think that's his last name, is caught up in
- 10:33Speaker 2: the Jeff Epstein situation, which is great fun. And the
- 10:38Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight games have been designated and this one
- 10:42Speaker 2: never happened, certainly to Los Angeles. A national special security event,
- 10:49Speaker 2: which means two things. That is, there's enough security there
- 10:54Speaker 2: necessary that it's just astronomical. And the US Secret Service
- 11:00Speaker 2: is the lead agency in the security. That it's not
- 11:04Speaker 2: private security. Well there'll be plenty of private security, but
- 11:07Speaker 2: it's not the city. And it's not the Olympic Committee
- 11:10Speaker 2: that runs a security. It's the Secret Service, not the
- 11:12Speaker 2: LAPD that the Secret Service comes in. So and the tickets,
- 11:18Speaker 2: I was looking at tickets opening ceremonies. First of all,
- 11:21Speaker 2: you can't get them, I mean instantly they're gone. And
- 11:24Speaker 2: the crappy seats for the opening ceremonies. This is always
- 11:31Speaker 2: this has always been in my bucket list to watch
- 11:33Speaker 2: opening ceremonies, particularly when you have the parade of athletes
- 11:39Speaker 2: that for three hours you're looking at these guys and
- 11:42Speaker 2: these stupid costumes marching around the coliseum, you might you
- 11:46Speaker 2: might as well go out, have dinner, stay at a
- 11:48Speaker 2: hotel overnight, and then come back. And then I love
- 11:51Speaker 2: it when you have one athlete one the Olympic committee,
- 11:55Speaker 2: and then you have two coaches, and then you have
- 11:58Speaker 2: whoever and it's from Tonga, I really like. We like
- 12:03Speaker 2: the guy from Tongo. Yeah, the guy from Tonga wearing
- 12:05Speaker 2: the skirt, and it's just and then they have a
- 12:08Speaker 2: few I love them, but a few African countries that
- 12:10Speaker 2: no one has ever heard of, and they're walking down,
- 12:15Speaker 2: you know, the parade on in the coliseum, on the
- 12:20Speaker 2: floor of the coliseum and they have bones through their
- 12:23Speaker 2: noses and just just great fun.
- 12:27Speaker 4: It's just yeah, it's a small regional Yeah it is,
- 12:30Speaker 4: it is.
- 12:31Speaker 2: I mean countries they truly you've never heard of. And
- 12:33Speaker 2: then the real opening ceremonies, which are tremendous and every
- 12:40Speaker 2: it seems like every Olympic outdoes the previous Olympics in
- 12:43Speaker 2: terms of the opening ceremony. So it was a bucket
- 12:45Speaker 2: list for me. Cheapest seats five dollars for the nosebleed seats.
- 12:52Speaker 3: You want us to pass the hat?
- 12:55Speaker 2: No, I mean, I'm just I'm not going to spend
- 12:57Speaker 2: twelve thousand dollars to go to see the Olympics.
- 13:00Speaker 3: It's that bucket.
- 13:01Speaker 2: Yeah, bucket. I know there are a lot of holes
- 13:03Speaker 2: in the bucket, but it's although even in the nosebleed seats,
- 13:09Speaker 2: it's pretty good because you're not watching something on the
- 13:11Speaker 2: field per se. I mean you are. You know, they
- 13:13Speaker 2: have all these gay dancers that are jumping around and
- 13:17Speaker 2: you know what are they got? I love that event
- 13:20Speaker 2: in the Olympics, gay dancing, and once it's like gay
- 13:24Speaker 2: dancing it is. I don't even know if it's an
- 13:25Speaker 2: Olympic sport anymore. It was part of gymnastics where you
- 13:31Speaker 2: had these galls, you know, with a pole and the
- 13:33Speaker 2: toilet paper the yeah, you know that's connected and.
- 13:36Speaker 3: They do dream dance. Whatever it helps me to do
- 13:39Speaker 3: is rhythmic gymnast Yeah.
- 13:41Speaker 2: Maybe, And then they use every toilet paper role in
- 13:44Speaker 2: the city. I mean it's just tremendous. Okay, we're done, guys,
- 13:49Speaker 2: so much for that. It's footy Friday which we do
- 13:53Speaker 2: every Friday with Neil, and then Ask Handle Anything starting
- 13:57Speaker 2: at eight thirty, and I have a surprise for you
- 14:01Speaker 2: on Ask Handle Anything that we have never done before.
- 14:04Speaker 2: So that's going to be great fun. In the meantime,
- 14:08Speaker 2: we've got Artemis too. Miss. The mission ends today at
- 14:13Speaker 2: five o'clock. Enter into the atmosphere and there's a couple
- 14:17Speaker 2: of things about it that are different and interesting and
- 14:21Speaker 2: I would argue maybe even dangerous. So Rod Pyle, who
- 14:24Speaker 2: is our space expert? Rod, you know, do I go
- 14:29Speaker 2: through all your credentials? Man, because I'll be doing this
- 14:31Speaker 2: for ten minutes, don't bother? Yeah, I know, I just
- 14:34Speaker 2: you know, I'll.
- 14:35Speaker 3: Just pitch the book in the website.
- 14:38Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll pitch the book in the website. The
- 14:41Speaker 2: book is what's it called? Neil pitching the book?
- 14:44Speaker 3: What is it? Books? Actually is what it is?
- 14:46Speaker 1: Twenty one books? But gee, yeah, last one was First
- 14:50Speaker 1: on the Moon, which you have a copy of.
- 14:52Speaker 3: I think I do.
- 14:55Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, I'm trying to think I've handled No, I
- 14:57Speaker 2: don't know, I do. I'm trying to think where I
- 14:59Speaker 2: put it?
- 15:00Speaker 3: Can check you but.
- 15:03Speaker 1: With your treble?
- 15:04Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So tell me about how unique This is
- 15:10Speaker 2: one of the things and I have to tell you
- 15:11Speaker 2: I am not impressed with is the big deal that
- 15:14Speaker 2: was made that human beings. This is the farthest that
- 15:19Speaker 2: man has gotten. It's four feet farther than Apollo. Did
- 15:25Speaker 2: I mean, come on, give me a break.
- 15:27Speaker 1: Well for four thousand miles accounting, But you bring up
- 15:30Speaker 1: an excellent point because even at I was a Johnson
- 15:34Speaker 1: Space Center for most of the mission, and you know,
- 15:37Speaker 1: they're doing press conferences every day, and you really there
- 15:40Speaker 1: was a little bit of a sense that there was
- 15:42Speaker 1: stretching the taffy kind of. Then when it came to
- 15:45Speaker 1: here's why, here's why we're back there, here's the science
- 15:47Speaker 1: we're going to do. So the big thing was just
- 15:50Speaker 1: to be the first time human eyes have seen the
- 15:53Speaker 1: polar regions on the far side of the Moon. Because
- 15:55Speaker 1: Apollo was so low you can only see what was
- 15:57Speaker 1: right below you, and the human eyes are more in
- 16:00Speaker 1: the cameras and yeada, YadA. Well, okay, you know, but
- 16:04Speaker 1: do we really need that? Is that critical for the
- 16:06Speaker 1: next set of missions? Kind of but not really. So
- 16:09Speaker 1: the big thing here was this was an engineering mission.
- 16:12Speaker 1: This was to make sure that the life support worked
- 16:16Speaker 1: to make sure that all the subsystems on the capsule worked,
- 16:19Speaker 1: and to a large degree, to make sure that mischigon
- 16:22Speaker 1: control worked. We haven't done this in about fifty four years,
- 16:25Speaker 1: and all the people that ever did a crude mission
- 16:29Speaker 1: leaving Earth orbit have cycled out. They're gone. I mean,
- 16:32Speaker 1: Jerry Griffin, one of the flight directors, has been back
- 16:34Speaker 1: there to do teaching and so forth. But in terms
- 16:38Speaker 1: of the people on the consoles, this is all new
- 16:41Speaker 1: to them. So a lot of this was a test
- 16:43Speaker 1: run for that. But the big thing was life support
- 16:46Speaker 1: and then critically, of course later today, the heat shield.
- 16:48Speaker 2: And that makes sense to me because that is that's
- 16:50Speaker 2: a logical reason. If you're going to have a space program,
- 16:54Speaker 2: we need to test you go on and on, and
- 16:56Speaker 2: every reason you just gave makes enormous amount of sense.
- 17:00Speaker 2: What I thought was ridiculous is you know, have gone
- 17:02Speaker 2: further than men have seen before and then.
- 17:06Speaker 3: Ball, what eyeballs.
- 17:09Speaker 2: That are for the first time seeing the dark side
- 17:12Speaker 2: of the moon. Okay, how about this. Satellites with cameras
- 17:18Speaker 2: seemed to do it, and cameras today are so good
- 17:23Speaker 2: that they you know, come on, come on, really.
- 17:28Speaker 1: Exactly the conversation I've been having all week on radio,
- 17:31Speaker 1: and try to keep it clean because you know, I
- 17:34Speaker 1: love NASA and hopefully they like us, the journalists. But yeah,
- 17:38Speaker 1: it did feel a little thin. They did observe six times.
- 17:42Speaker 1: They observed white flashes on the back side of the Moon,
- 17:45Speaker 1: and it was dark when they passed over it. There
- 17:48Speaker 1: were meteorite impacts that hadn't really been seen before. But
- 17:52Speaker 1: you know that's not something that's critical to the mission, right,
- 17:55Speaker 1: That's just a nice to have. But you're right. I
- 17:57Speaker 1: mean Apollo orbited the Moon many many times and then
- 18:02Speaker 1: probe sense then have gone to Polarar. But so they
- 18:04Speaker 1: map virtually every foot of the surface. It's just a
- 18:07Speaker 1: matter of you know, this thing about human eye observation.
- 18:11Speaker 1: So yes, I'm with you on that.
- 18:13Speaker 2: And so you know, you go. I guess it's a
- 18:16Speaker 2: pr move to get people excited about. By the way,
- 18:19Speaker 2: do you have a coyote there in the background.
- 18:21Speaker 1: Sorry, it's my old labrador deciding he doesn't like somebody outside.
- 18:26Speaker 2: Oh okay, you no, listen, I wish it were me.
- 18:30Speaker 2: There's yeah, it just it seems like you were saying
- 18:34Speaker 2: that it was stretching the taffy a little bit. And
- 18:38Speaker 2: is it because of Apollo? Everybody was in favor of
- 18:41Speaker 2: I mean, there was not a person except for a
- 18:44Speaker 2: couple of naysayers who didn't appreciate Apollo. Is it the
- 18:49Speaker 2: politics of this, because there are enough people out there
- 18:52Speaker 2: that go, hey, wait a minute, that's a lot of
- 18:54Speaker 2: money for relatively little return.
- 18:58Speaker 1: You know, actually, if you look at the pole which
- 19:00Speaker 1: they started doing in the early sixties, of all the
- 19:03Speaker 1: various organizations that do that gallop and so forth, it's
- 19:07Speaker 1: remarkably flat. They're little bumps around Apollo eight and Polo
- 19:11Speaker 1: eleven and shuttle accidents and stuff, but it's remarkably flat
- 19:16Speaker 1: at about fifty to fifty in terms of people that
- 19:17Speaker 1: really cared. So it's not that different than the sixties.
- 19:20Speaker 1: What is different is that they're doing it for less
- 19:24Speaker 1: than half the money they spent in the sixties. NASA
- 19:26Speaker 1: is grossly underfunded in comparison to then. Back then it
- 19:29Speaker 1: was about five percent of the federal budget. Now it's
- 19:32Speaker 1: one half of one percent, and they're doing a lot
- 19:34Speaker 1: more than they were then. You remember they you know,
- 19:36Speaker 1: here's a probe to Mars, here's a probe to the moon.
- 19:38Speaker 1: Oh we're flying Apollo and Gemini right now. They're all
- 19:42Speaker 1: over the Solar System. They got a space station to support,
- 19:45Speaker 1: and they got almost no money, so a lot of
- 19:47Speaker 1: it is just, you know, they've got to make do
- 19:49Speaker 1: with what they've got, including a greatly reduced media staff.
- 19:52Speaker 2: Okay, run on the heat shield and the question that
- 19:59Speaker 2: was asked by Amy her listener is are we going
- 20:04Speaker 2: to hear a sonic boom anywhere in southern California.
- 20:08Speaker 3: We may.
- 20:09Speaker 1: It depends on how close they come into the coast,
- 20:11Speaker 1: I'm told. And this re entry is a little less
- 20:14Speaker 1: exact than they had planned. They had an earlier reentry
- 20:18Speaker 1: profile that was going to do more gliding and that
- 20:22Speaker 1: would give them more control over exactly where they came down.
- 20:24Speaker 1: But that, of course, turns out was a problem with
- 20:27Speaker 1: the heat shields. We've been hearing about this. We had
- 20:29Speaker 1: a test flight in twenty fourteen, we had another one
- 20:32Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and the heat shield charred more
- 20:36Speaker 1: than they expected. Pieces broke off. So it turns out
- 20:39Speaker 1: that that's because there's gas building up and there's a
- 20:42Speaker 1: thing heats so kind of counterintuitively, they realized after a
- 20:46Speaker 1: lot of testing, that's better to make it hotter for
- 20:49Speaker 1: a shorter period of time and pieces won't pop off.
- 20:51Speaker 1: So it's going to be a slightly less exact landing,
- 20:53Speaker 1: but probably about one hundred miles off the coast.
- 20:55Speaker 2: All right, So let me ask it's there a lot
- 20:59Speaker 2: of talk about twenty five thousand mile per hour entry
- 21:03Speaker 2: and the friction causing heat that we have not seen before,
- 21:07Speaker 2: and usually it's what seventeen eighteen thousand miles per hour
- 21:11Speaker 2: when you have spacecraft going through the atmosphere. What's the
- 21:15Speaker 2: difference and why is one in the other?
- 21:18Speaker 1: Well, you're coming back from the Moon, so the Earth
- 21:20Speaker 1: has been tugging on this thing all that way. As
- 21:23Speaker 1: soon as the lunar gravity hands off to Earth, so
- 21:25Speaker 1: it accelerates, it's coming back, and you're right, it's about
- 21:28Speaker 1: twenty five thousand, thousand miles an hour to coming back.
- 21:30Speaker 3: More of it.
- 21:30Speaker 1: It's about seventeen thousand, five hundred five thousand degrees fahrenheit
- 21:34Speaker 1: at peak heating. And the critical thing is, you know,
- 21:37Speaker 1: this mission is like a rifle shot fired from Earth,
- 21:40Speaker 1: slinging around the Moon and coming back. There's no going around.
- 21:43Speaker 1: When you get to Earth. You have to re edit
- 21:46Speaker 1: or you're going off into space forever, and they got
- 21:48Speaker 1: a window of about two degrees, which is equivalent to
- 21:51Speaker 1: tissue paper wrapped around an Earth globe. So they really
- 21:55Speaker 1: got to nail it. They've got one more burn of
- 21:58Speaker 1: the rocketedges coming up to day to make that exactly.
- 22:00Speaker 1: But you know, we've done this a bunch of times before.
- 22:03Speaker 1: A Paula flew out there over ten times, so it's
- 22:06Speaker 1: something we're pretty good at. But they have to nail
- 22:08Speaker 1: it now.
- 22:09Speaker 2: The technology, obviously, every part of the spacecraft is a
- 22:13Speaker 2: new technology, better technology. The heat shields, same old stuff,
- 22:18Speaker 2: isn't it from literally day one?
- 22:20Speaker 1: Almost? So it's called avcoat and it's an epoxy resin
- 22:24Speaker 1: with silica in it. But they had to change the
- 22:27Speaker 1: formulation because of EPA regulations. So I talked to the.
- 22:31Speaker 3: Chief engineer on that.
- 22:32Speaker 2: I'm not guallying APA number space.
- 22:35Speaker 1: So I'm talking to the chief engineer on this thing
- 22:38Speaker 1: about ten years ago. And he said, remember when you
- 22:40Speaker 1: were a kid, used craylon on your airplane models and
- 22:42Speaker 1: you sprayed it and it smelled wonderful and it hardened
- 22:45Speaker 1: like a rock in about three minutes. And I said yeah,
- 22:47Speaker 1: And he said, now it's kind of gummy and takes
- 22:49Speaker 1: a couple of days a setup. He said, we have
- 22:51Speaker 1: the same problem because the APA won't let us use
- 22:53Speaker 1: the solvents we used to. I said, can't just send
- 22:56Speaker 1: it to Mexico. Canas do it? He said, So they're
- 23:01Speaker 1: you know, substantial risk here, but they think they've got
- 23:04Speaker 1: it figured out. It's also made in a different way.
- 23:07Speaker 1: I have to tell you though. They took us over
- 23:09Speaker 1: at Johnson. They took us over to the mock up
- 23:11Speaker 1: the trainer for the Ryan capsule, and it looks pretty
- 23:15Speaker 1: sizable with those wide angle cameras, but you stick your
- 23:17Speaker 1: head in there and it's really small. With all the
- 23:20Speaker 1: stuff they got in there, with spacesuits and pieces of
- 23:23Speaker 1: seats that have been dismantled and all that. For flight,
- 23:26Speaker 1: it feels like it's about the size of a Chevy Tahoe.
- 23:28Speaker 1: So you got to have three really good friends beside
- 23:31Speaker 1: yourself be flying like that for ten days.
- 23:34Speaker 2: Yeah. And the issue of weightlessness. I know that when
- 23:38Speaker 2: you go to the space the ISS, every one of
- 23:41Speaker 2: those astronauts is exercising on that treadmill for at least
- 23:44Speaker 2: an hour and a half or two hours a day,
- 23:46Speaker 2: two hours a day, So what happens. You've got ten
- 23:49Speaker 2: days of non exercise and weightlessness. That's the problem, isn't it.
- 23:55Speaker 1: Well, it's really pretty short, and for the Apollo flights,
- 23:58Speaker 1: they were that long and it was fine. They have
- 24:00Speaker 1: a they had like a rowing machine, kind of a
- 24:02Speaker 1: resistance bar in this thing. There was a funny moment.
- 24:05Speaker 1: We were sitting in one of the press conferences and
- 24:08Speaker 1: Victor Glover was working out. He's the pilot, the big
- 24:11Speaker 1: strapping guy. He's working out and then he's done and
- 24:13Speaker 1: he pulls his shirt off and the guy looks like
- 24:16Speaker 1: a Donnis. I mean, he's this incredible rock of a guy.
- 24:19Speaker 1: But NASA cut the feed. Mister troll's going and we
- 24:22Speaker 1: weren't sure you met us to see that. And he's like, no,
- 24:25Speaker 1: it's fine. I take my shirt off all the time.
- 24:27Speaker 1: But serious beefcake in space.
- 24:29Speaker 2: Man, I'm glad to hear that. Oh yeah, wow, oh wow,
- 24:33Speaker 2: that's excited. He's got a bit of a so you're
- 24:35Speaker 2: going to see, Uh, the gay audience is going to
- 24:38Speaker 2: be enormous. We do this thing, okay before a lot here,
- 24:43Speaker 2: that's funny. Rod your website and uh, just whatever you
- 24:49Speaker 2: want to promote.
- 24:50Speaker 1: Pilebooks dot com is the website p walibooks dot com
- 24:53Speaker 1: and the podcast is This Week in Space, which we
- 24:56Speaker 1: do with Leo Laporte's twit and it's on all the
- 24:58Speaker 1: major podcatchers, so you'll find it easily.
- 25:01Speaker 3: Good stuff and thank writer, great writer.
- 25:05Speaker 2: Well twenty work a lot about it, you know, Hookers
- 25:10Speaker 2: in Space. That was one of them, which I thought
- 25:12Speaker 2: was joining.
- 25:12Speaker 1: It for that. And I got a story for you
- 25:14Speaker 1: coming up in the next month or so about why
- 25:16Speaker 1: sperm can't find their way to an egg and zero
- 25:19Speaker 1: G they get confused.
- 25:20Speaker 3: Huh oh, Now you've got us a ted talk about
- 25:23Speaker 3: bearing the lead.
- 25:24Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Rod, take care and thank you and
- 25:27Speaker 2: we will definitely talk next month. All right, coming up
- 25:31Speaker 2: Foody Friday with Neil Savedra and he is host of
- 25:34Speaker 2: The Fork Report tomorrow afternoon two to five pm. All right,
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- 25:54Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Hey, I'm telling you that's great. Thank
- 25:57Speaker 4: you very much. Fascinating to watch pro do exactly.
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