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Andor S2E7-9 Review CCXXXIX · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The force will be with you all ways.
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  Speaker 2: are Star Wars and I'm Katie. We are not Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: We are Star Wars Alliance. I'm your host, Katie, and
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  Speaker 2: with me as privy usual is Clay. Clay. How are
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  Speaker 2: you doing today?
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  Speaker 1: Well, today itself has kind of sucked. I went to
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  Speaker 1: do some errands this morning and then on my way
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  Speaker 1: back home, well not even on my way. I got
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  Speaker 1: in my car after I got out of the bank
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  Speaker 1: and battery died. Oh no. Instead of just calling up
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  Speaker 1: a friend to come give me a jump because I
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  Speaker 1: have jumper cables in my car, Abby calls a part
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  Speaker 1: of our insurance. They have like a you know, let's
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  Speaker 1: let's get somebody to jump your car. It took them
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  Speaker 1: an hour and fifteen minutes to get to me. They
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  Speaker 1: were there for less than one hundred and twenty seconds
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  Speaker 1: and then they said, hey, you're good to go, have
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  Speaker 1: a nice day, and then just drove off. And I'm like, uh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: there was no assessment of the situation. There was nothing.
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  Speaker 1: So I completely wasted away for an hour today.
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  Speaker 2: Oh sucks.
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  Speaker 1: I like whenever I have an unplanned like, hey, all
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  Speaker 1: of your plans just stop for this moment and there's
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  Speaker 1: literally nothing for me to do, I get really like
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  Speaker 1: ticked off. I don't know, it's just it's just like
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  Speaker 1: my entire day feels ruined for this one moment. So
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't fun. But I did come back to be
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  Speaker 1: able to rewatch episodes eight and none of and Or,
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  Speaker 1: which we will be talking about tonight. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: talking about episode seven, eight and nine, and Kate, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you know this, I'm pretty sure you did,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure we actually have it in our
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  Speaker 1: GA chat. Episodes eight and nine are some of the
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  Speaker 1: top ranked not Star Wars, but overall TV episodes in
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  Speaker 1: the history of television.
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  Speaker 2: I had not seen that in the chat, but I
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  Speaker 2: had seen that around town with just any and all
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  Speaker 2: social media formats and realistically, guys, I don't disagree at
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  Speaker 2: all whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: It was so good we're gonna be talking about these
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  Speaker 1: two episodes. But to know that everybody else out there
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  Speaker 1: mm hmm is you know you laterally, but I can't yeah, uh,
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  Speaker 1: able to say, hey, this is good Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't just good Star Wars. This is good TV. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: like yeah, and it is still like it's not like
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  Speaker 2: it's not the Acolyte in terms of like a huge
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  Speaker 2: cast like full of like diversity, but we have Latino representation.
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  Speaker 2: It is still a vastly diverse cast. It's not just
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  Speaker 2: white male characters on TV. That sounded bad comparing it
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  Speaker 2: to the Aclte with diversity. I'm sorry, Like I just
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  Speaker 2: meant like female and like LGBTQ characters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, But and also again, the the problem that
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  Speaker 1: we have always had with these television shows, and Or
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately does have this whole lot, but the lack of aliens,
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  Speaker 1: especially in Gorman by the way, there was not a
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  Speaker 1: single I mean technically, everybody who's gonna, of course say
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  Speaker 1: everybody from Gorman is an alien, blah blah blah, like
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  Speaker 1: they were humanoid with human actors. There was no prosthetic
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  Speaker 1: actors to represent a of course widely known alien species
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  Speaker 1: within Star Wars. That's what we're always talking about. So, Katie,
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  Speaker 1: in these three episodes, we have epic, Yes, I was,
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  Speaker 1: I was. I was trying to point out the characters
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  Speaker 1: as far as character arts that we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: talking about.
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  Speaker 2: So we have Cassian who overlaps with Dedra and Cyril yep,
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  Speaker 2: and then we have Will and then we have Bis
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  Speaker 2: and Cassian. So realistically, y'all, we have basically in this arc,
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  Speaker 2: we have a setup arc, and then we have a
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  Speaker 2: finishing like a middle arc, which has the main characters.
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  Speaker 2: But then like Mad Mathma Bail don't appear to the
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  Speaker 2: last episode. Yeah, the whole last episode is on Courusant
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  Speaker 2: and it is mod the speech we knew man Mathmast
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  Speaker 2: making and Cassian getting her to safety afterwards. Like that's
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  Speaker 2: the gist of that episode if you wanted the shortened
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  Speaker 2: sweet Like, that's basically what it is. Is. Episode seven
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  Speaker 2: is set up. Episode eight is garment massacre. Episode nine
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  Speaker 2: is speech.
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  Speaker 1: Ye it's absolutely wild. I'm just that statement, and then
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  Speaker 1: we can we can move forward with the actual conversations
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  Speaker 1: with character acts. This could have legitimately been the end
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  Speaker 1: of and or season two, and I think I would
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  Speaker 1: have been absolutely satisfied with the way that it ended.
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  Speaker 1: Episode nine ended with of course, uh, the rebellion rewiring
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  Speaker 1: the u k Ex droid and yes, and like that's
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  Speaker 1: how it ends, and like you could you could take
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  Speaker 1: the leap from there to Rogue one, yep, And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I would not be satisfied really, And I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: because of Big leaving, I don't want to jump straight
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  Speaker 2: into Rogue one from there.
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  Speaker 1: I will Bix leaving. I have really big feelings about
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  Speaker 1: that I know are not very popular, and I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna get a lot of flak for it if
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  Speaker 1: anybody were to ever, like genuinely try to go after
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  Speaker 1: me for it. But yeah, I have actually big emotions
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  Speaker 1: towards Bix's decision that she made on that last episode. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But let's go ahead, And who do you want to
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  Speaker 1: start with?
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  Speaker 2: I would say, like, realistically, this one, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: you have to go episode by episode, like this can't
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  Speaker 2: just be arcs.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, like I think you're right, just
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  Speaker 1: because of the way that the of Course Gorman massacre
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  Speaker 1: takes place in episode eight. You can't just talk about
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  Speaker 1: it in blotches, yeah, with how we're gonna be talking
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  Speaker 1: about it with character arcs and then leave stuff behind
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  Speaker 1: because we're like, oh wait, that's somebody else's character. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about that later. So I think this is genuinely
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  Speaker 1: the one time that we may have to talk episode
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  Speaker 1: by episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So episode seven, Episode seven is titled The Messenger. This
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  Speaker 1: is when things are ramping up in Gorment. We see
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  Speaker 1: that Dedra is already on the planet. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: She's been controlling it for like the last year and
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  Speaker 2: just steadily building the misinformation. Tre and Cyril feel like
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  Speaker 2: Cyril had an affair with somebody and was like in
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  Speaker 2: the process of like, oh, I'm gonna go break up
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  Speaker 2: with Dedra, but then he took too long to break
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  Speaker 2: up with Dedra, so somebody was like, yeah, no, no thanks,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like you anymore. And her name is Inza,
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  Speaker 2: which I don't blame her if that was the case,
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  Speaker 2: I don't at all whatsoever. I just have to say
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  Speaker 2: that it really felt like Dedra and Cyril there was
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  Speaker 2: something missing or not Dedra and Cerel and Inza in
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  Speaker 2: Cyril there was something missing in the context before that,
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  Speaker 2: because it felt like they had built up chemistry over
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  Speaker 2: the missing year in this story, and so he cares
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  Speaker 2: about her and is like, oh, something's happening with Deedra.
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  Speaker 2: Dedra has not told me the whole truth, but he's
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  Speaker 2: scared of Dedra.
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  Speaker 1: Well for a little bit, we'll just say, we'll just
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  Speaker 1: say it that way. So, uh, Cyril talks to Dedra,
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  Speaker 1: Dedra saying like, hey, things are things are happening. Everything's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be so good and we're gonna be fine. And
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  Speaker 1: then of course he starts to try and like question it.
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  Speaker 1: She grabs his face kisses him. This is I think
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  Speaker 1: the first kiss between the two of them that we
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  Speaker 1: have ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, which is yeah, because in the
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  Speaker 2: last arc it was turn the lights out, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was romance.
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  Speaker 1: This she is outwardly showing, and I think this is
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  Speaker 1: part of the desperation that Dedra has towards Cyril. Hey
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  Speaker 1: don't fuck this up for me, or hey don't fuck
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  Speaker 1: this up for the empire is really the idea around
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  Speaker 1: all of this, and she knows that that she has
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  Speaker 1: like this hold over him in some capacity. But from
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  Speaker 1: there we uh, we get little whispers in Coroussant. We
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  Speaker 1: have man Manfa for just a small sliver of time
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  Speaker 1: talking to the representative for Gorman is like, hey, like
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  Speaker 1: things are not looking good. I think something's about to happen,
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  Speaker 1: Like we need to get some things like up and running.
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  Speaker 1: And this is kind of just showing how that information
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  Speaker 1: is coming from Gormant and hitting chorussots. But the next scene.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to know how you felt about this next
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  Speaker 1: scene because it is not something that we have touched
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  Speaker 1: upon in and or what we are on Yavin. You're
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  Speaker 1: on Yavin and.
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  Speaker 2: Bix and Vell have left Luthen behind. Cassine apparently still
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  Speaker 2: does like odd jobs here and there, but he is
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  Speaker 2: helping build the foundation of the rebellion on Yavin. And
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  Speaker 2: this is a little strange to me because we basically,
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  Speaker 2: like I thought we were going to get Dantoine at
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  Speaker 2: some point, but it feels like we just kind of
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  Speaker 2: went straight to yaviin as the coordinated rebel base of
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  Speaker 2: So I would be interested to see if maybe like
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  Speaker 2: the Mask of Fear or Rain of the Empire, excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: the Rain of the Empire trilogy will eventually touch on
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  Speaker 2: Danteen because of that aspect, like, I felt like it's
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  Speaker 2: mentioned so prevently in a new Hope he would have
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  Speaker 2: wanted to hit that.
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  Speaker 1: I would really hope so yeah, because the fact that
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  Speaker 1: like she of course she being lea, blurts it out
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  Speaker 1: to Targan. The idea is that they did have it
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  Speaker 1: and then it then moved to Yabon because of the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they were afraid that, hey, something might happen.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's you know, leaks, you know, getting towards
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  Speaker 1: us and everything, so they moved it to Gabon. I
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  Speaker 1: do want to say, since we're talking about the rebellion
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  Speaker 1: as a whole kind of I want to make the
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  Speaker 1: small comment of when man Mathma is first seen in
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  Speaker 1: this episode, she's getting out of the vehicle with her driver, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and her driver is asking about her schedule. When this
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  Speaker 1: first happened, I was like, oh, no, time to get
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  Speaker 1: a new driver, and then she legitimately says, ope, I
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  Speaker 1: need to get a new driver. I like how Mama
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  Speaker 1: is not in the thick of it, but she understands
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  Speaker 1: the things to look out for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I really like how Insin in that same
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  Speaker 2: scene was like, Nah, the next one they send us
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  Speaker 2: might be smart like that made me laugh so hard.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, y'all, we're gonna hit our first ad break
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  Speaker 2: and we will be right back in three two one,
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  Speaker 2: because especially with how he ends up in the last episode,
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  Speaker 2: like it just kind of played out the whole way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the scene that we were talking about, Bix
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  Speaker 1: and Cassian get a little bit closer to the actual
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  Speaker 1: base in Aniaba because they have like the small little
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  Speaker 1: hut that is their like home, and then like closer
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  Speaker 1: of course, is the base they are going to have.
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  Speaker 1: Cassian's shoulder looked at, he heard it in some sort
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  Speaker 1: of way.
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  Speaker 2: And he thinks he's going to a meeting.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, whereas Bis has tricked him into meeting with
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  Speaker 1: a force healer and he even mentions it. He says,
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  Speaker 1: I hate force healers. You know. They get into the
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  Speaker 1: small little like bickering thing, and immediately the woman that
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  Speaker 1: is in question that we see here kind of in
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  Speaker 1: the background, she stops what she's doing and she immediately
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  Speaker 1: turns to Cassie. And this was kind of a really
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  Speaker 1: odd and interesting interaction. Yeah, how did you feel about
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  Speaker 1: this acknowledging, of course, this big thing that is the
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  Speaker 1: force within this universe? You know, I feel like it
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  Speaker 1: needed to be addressed in some sort of capacity. We've
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  Speaker 1: heard people say throughout this season and last season, may
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  Speaker 1: the Force be with you, but like, we've never touched
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  Speaker 1: on anybody being for sensitive. So how did you feel
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  Speaker 1: about actually having a force sensitive individual in this season?
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was neat. I thought it was a
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  Speaker 2: little strange because I feel like, from what we've learned
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  Speaker 2: over all of the Empire era fiction stories that have
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  Speaker 2: been told, comics, TV, otherwise kind of thing, the Empire
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  Speaker 2: is always looking for force users. So I felt like
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  Speaker 2: if Cassia knew what a force knew enough about what
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  Speaker 2: a force healer was, I felt like the Empire would
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  Speaker 2: have been more interested in them. So I would love
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  Speaker 2: to delve into this aspect because we know like the
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  Speaker 2: force is used for healing, but there's never really I
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  Speaker 2: don't really recall there ever being like a force healer
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  Speaker 2: sect where all they did was heal kind of thing
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  Speaker 2: like in like on Jetta in the Higher Republic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're You're absolutely right. So I think for
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  Speaker 1: the most part, when talking about special categorized individuals that
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  Speaker 1: are force users, a lot of that stuff was always
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  Speaker 1: of course in legends and in video games and things
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  Speaker 1: like that. There was never a real prominent discussion in
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  Speaker 1: any canon novels or movies or anything else that really
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  Speaker 1: touched on things like that. The only thing we ever
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  Speaker 1: heard is of course, using the force for defensive reasonings,
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  Speaker 1: and they use the force to meditate. Like that's really
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  Speaker 1: all we ever heard until we saw, of course, that
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  Speaker 1: one episode of The Mandalorian because it was coinciding with
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  Speaker 1: what we would eventually see in the Rise of Skywalker.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, So to have a force healer in and Or,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it makes the most sense as a
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  Speaker 2: force representation in this story because it's a necessary thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's not super fiction ing because it's just like another
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  Speaker 2: form of doctor basically, Like so, I liked this connection
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  Speaker 2: where and you don't have to be super showy with
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  Speaker 2: it either, because it's healing, so there can be no
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  Speaker 2: physical that's the wrong way to phrase it, because Cassie's
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  Speaker 2: looking for a blaster burn heel, which is physical. But
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  Speaker 2: it's like you don't see like telekinesis on screen with it.
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  Speaker 2: It's very spiritual, it's very connecting. It's a different type
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  Speaker 2: of force using, which feels more down to earth versus
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  Speaker 2: fantasy is what I'm trying to try to say. So
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  Speaker 2: I really thought it was a good connection to the
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  Speaker 2: fantasy elements of the show. It reminds you that, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we are connected to a galaxy far far away. Because
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people that was their biggest critique with
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  Speaker 2: season one is like, oh, it doesn't feel like Star Wars,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know if that's a good thing or
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  Speaker 2: a bad thing. But now that you have this element here,
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  Speaker 2: will people then say, oh, okay, we do have that
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  Speaker 2: Force connection, so we're good now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Andrew Hayley is actually in the chat. He just
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  Speaker 1: says episode seven through nine of and Or season two
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  Speaker 1: or truly some of the best TV episodes I've ever seen,
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  Speaker 1: a masterclass in storyteller. Okay, yes it is. And I
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  Speaker 1: do want to mention in this conversation with the Force Healer.
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  Speaker 1: After the Healer does what she needs to do, the
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  Speaker 1: Cassie and Cassian walks away and they have a small
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  Speaker 1: discussion they being the Healer and fix This is a
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  Speaker 1: very important conversation for what's going to be happening at
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  Speaker 1: the end of episode nine. I don't like it, but
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  Speaker 1: it is what it is. This conversation is basically the
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  Speaker 1: Healer tells Bix that Cassian is a messenger aka the
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  Speaker 1: title of the episode, and this you know.
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  Speaker 2: And she also sorry. The forced Healer also asks who
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  Speaker 2: are you to Cassian, which is the title of episode eight.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, uh, which on me, And then of course the
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  Speaker 1: question was asked again in episode eight, which feels a
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  Speaker 1: lot more relevant. But uh, but yeah, uh, the conversation
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  Speaker 1: with that is gonna weigh heavy on Bis And you
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  Speaker 1: could already tell in the middle of the conversation Bix's
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  Speaker 1: the emotions or you can everything is written on her face.
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  Speaker 1: You could really tell how she is feeling through this
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  Speaker 1: entire conversation. So from there, uh, we get to see
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  Speaker 1: the arrival of what was this team called at Gorman
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  Speaker 1: with uh, you said his his name in texts? Will? No,
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  Speaker 1: not Will? It was Imurial.
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  Speaker 2: He's irrelevant. Basically, he's there. He's there, he's leading a team.
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  Speaker 2: I can't find his name in texts, but he's leading
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  Speaker 2: a team of basically green trainees from Imperial academies. And
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  Speaker 2: as soon as they came on screen, my first thought was, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: there canon Fodder Bloy Bloy, that's it. Bloy sounds the
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  Speaker 2: actor for Bloy sounds a heck of a lot like
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  Speaker 2: Andy Sarkis in the Darkena episodes. I literally because I
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  Speaker 2: kept missing his face for some reason. I would look
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  Speaker 2: away or I like was like looking somewhere else on
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  Speaker 2: the screen, and I was like, that can't be Andy Circus,
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  Speaker 2: Like why would Andy end up as a soldier in
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  Speaker 2: the Imperial Army? Like that doesn't make any sense. And
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't, by the way, but I was stuck on
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  Speaker 2: that for a hot minute. I was like Dad's Andie Circus,
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  Speaker 2: not Andy Cirkus. But anyways, so yeah, as soon as
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  Speaker 2: they came on screen with that team, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: they're Canid fighter, Like they're making a point to talk
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  Speaker 2: about how they are like very green trainees, like fresh
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  Speaker 2: out of the academy, like have no business being on
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  Speaker 2: the hot center of Imperial Like they don't call it warfare,
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  Speaker 2: but warfare in this instance, like on like a battlefront. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: Like they need to be on the back of the
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  Speaker 2: lines learning and Dedra and the commander who gets involved
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  Speaker 2: is like the pull he is the trigger the Dedra
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  Speaker 2: is pulling. He's like, no, they're perfect, Like I got this.
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  Speaker 2: I was like cannon fodder And yes they were cannon fodder.
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  Speaker 2: I just have to go ahead and say that.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: The but then well, the end of the episode is
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: is literally just Will and uh Cassian have arrived on Gorman.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: They yeah, because Will shows up on Yavin and is like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: come with me, I need you to help me with Gorman.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Dedra is there. You will shoot Dedra and you will
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: kill her like kind of thing like, and he brings
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: up Feryx. It's the first time we've heard Ferrix really mentioned.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I feel like, but Will is like, you will kill
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: her because for Pharynx like stoone in Sky and like,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: so I've kind of I having that brought up makes
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: me miss Ferris more and I feel like there could
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: have been more mentions potentially, But you also killed off
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Brazzo in in the first arc, so maybe not, but yes,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: so Will takes off with Cassian and Cassian has to
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: it's not do Donna, but it's oh gosh, what's the
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: other general's name. It's the spymaster general who is not
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: do Donna. Oh gosh, this is gonna bug me. I'm
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: gonna have to look it up. But uh, he blows
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: off the general who is his boss in Rogue one.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I am looking it up now and I can't see it.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Oh are we thinking of the same person here?
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Clay's gonna have to edit this later. Draven, yes, yes, yes,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: so yeah Draven. He blows off Draven and as like, yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: well you're not like taking role yet or like you're
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: not fully in charge of me. This is still volunteer
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. And that is the other conversation that
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: happens with Bicks is Vell comes to Bixs while Cassie
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: and and It has taken off to Gorman, and Bell
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: is like, we don't owe Luthan anything. He is, Cassian
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: is needed here. He They want to promote him, they
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: want to bring him into the loop, like he is
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: a founding member, like basically begging Bis, like, hey, we
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: need Cassian to be here. And that is I think,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: like a defiant like the Force Healer was one thing.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: But Bell's conversation with Bis is the catalyst for what
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: happens at the end of episode nine.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Like it, they don't like it, and I will have
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: my case. I'm just gonna.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get there.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get I'm gonna sit in fester and hate
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: for a little bit.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's everything out of episode seven though,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: h and maybe bits and pieces of episode eight.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: But yes, we do one thing to note in the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: ending of episode seven because a uh, somebody who I
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: thought was a nobody character comes back in the Oh yes,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the doorman, the bell harp originally Yeah, at the Gorman Hotel.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: He mentions to Cassian because Cassian just says something very
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: nonchalant to the people at the front desk, and he
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: tells Cassian like she's serious, she will check you in.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yep, because Cassian comes in as a reporter. Yeah, and
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: that's his disguise this time, and all reporters have to
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: be reported to the Empire.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And she leaves the front desk and the bell
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: hop gives the key to Cassian. He says, you know
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: which door it is, and he just hands And my
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: question to you is this was never mentioned. I do
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: not believe that this individual is a part of the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Gorman rebellion. Officially, he is just a Gorman citizen who
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: legitimately still recognized Cassian from the first time he came
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to Gorman. Yes, which is like, for one, yikes, Cassie,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and you need to be more careful, but two, like
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: thank God, the right people stayed in the right job.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You know, it's really the situation there. All right, guys,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: this is our second ad break. Remember we don't choose
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: these ads if you if you don't like them, I'm sorry,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: it's not on me, but we'll be right back. Episode eight.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Does he say rebellions are built on hope? In episode
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: seven or episode eight?
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Eight? Okay, he says it in no, No, it's I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: liked I saw that somebody else had posted, and we
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: can talk about that because we're talking about episode eight.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: He does mention to Cassidan because Cassian is walking down
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: to the growing crowd in the plaza in the plaza
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and he tells the bell Hop, hey, I hope everything
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: works out for you, and he tells Cassian rebellions are
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: built off hope. And I saw somebody post on threads
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: how the simple word of mouth can be such a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: strong thing to eventually get to the right people. And
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: it literally shows every single time it has been said.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: So it was the Bellhop to Castian, Cassian to Gin
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and then Gin to the rebellion on Yabin Yeh, which
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I thought was.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Really cool and like also just going back to publishing, publishing,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: took that. I can't remember who the author was in
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the story, but Tom Darth Internus pointed it out on
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: his social media page. But he like the author there
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: wrote about a journalist who was there when Jin said
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: rebellions are built on hope, and kind of took that
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and ran with it as the promo for the rebellion
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: propaganda because everything publicity was is like propaganda for one
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: thing or another guy's. But took that and ran with
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it and like spread it out to the galaxy. So
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I love that connection where a game of telephone actually
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: works out for the benefit of everybody.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like that a lot. But in episode
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: eight we see a crowd gathering. The reasoning for this
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: crowd gathering is because there are rumors and rumors spreading
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: all across Gorman about so many different things.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Dropping the mining equipment because they have not found a
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: synthetic element that substitutes for I think it's calikite Gorman
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: and so patter guys. In episode seven, I forgot about
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: this part. Podergaz tells dedra Hey mission is goo like
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: commits firing basically, and so episode eight, the Gormans figure
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: out what's going on. But then Also the Imperials start
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: clearing the plaza and basically set up a defensive barricade
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: around the Imperial building that serial kind of it's the
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: same building that Cyril was going to work in in
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: uh the second arc, but it's now been taken over
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: by ISB, so that building is being set up as
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: like a defensive perimeter. And the Gormans are like, they're
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: banging the plaza protest time. And the writer Guy's father
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: who was like we must rebel in the second arc,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: he's like, this is a trap, Like we need to
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: like peacefully protest. We cannot, Yeah, but all of the
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: young people are like, no, we go, we take weapons,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: we go to fight. And it really wouldn't have mattered
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: either way unless the Gormans just didn't show up that day.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: But again, it's like you appeal to one side, you're
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: going to get protests any other. And this is like
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the evil side of not evil side of Star Wars,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: but this is like the Empire, So they're going to
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: like do everything in their power to get the propaganda
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to look their way, uh and the press to look
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: their way real world stuff or not. Hmm. Feels feels
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: too close to home. Here, so the Gormans start to gather.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Cassian has like like we talked about, Cassian has gone
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: to the plaza. So that way because he was going
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: to take a shot from his balcony. He can't get
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: a clear shot from his balcony, and it is like okay,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: maybe in the crowd, like see what's going on, but
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: also get a better shot at Dedra. So he's in
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the crowd. He doesn't really play a huge role until
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the fight breaks out once he gets down to the plaza.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Would you agree disagree here?
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: For for Cassian, yeah, yeah, no, he does not play
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a huge part in what is the.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Gathering of the plaza.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of the protest. He is simply a onlooker. He
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: is literally just seeing everything happen. Now, of course he
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: is still worried about Will. He is also by the way,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: again I just have to say this once more, f
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: will FM this man this and this might get me
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: in trouble even by for Katie, no woman is that important,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like like he he finds a woman on
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: every goddamn planet like it's.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: And I don't get it at all whatsoever. Like there
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: comes a point where like, okay, save yourself, and like
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: it's not romantic in the slightest like, but I think.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to be shown as romantic that's the thing.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Right, and like it's not when literally anyone and everyone
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: is being shot at, like and Will somehow manages to survive.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: We see him in the end of episode nine, so
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: he does the dumbest stuff and he clearly has also
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: been huffing rydonium because the dude he looks like, he
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: looks bad, He's got gags, his eyes look bloodshot, like,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the dude looks awful.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think he survives the next art. I hope not.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I hope. So let me reframe that, I hope he
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: does not survive the last art to leave the window
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: open for Will to be alive during Rogue one, and
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: we know that and Or doesn't survive like that would
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: just piss me off. Okay, that would genuinely piss me off.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: But I also saw a theory, and we may need
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: to go ahead and talk about this theory. I saw
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: a theory that said Will is the informant that Cassian
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: shoots at the beginning of Rogue one.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: No, no, I mean I'm gonna have to go back
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and watch that, but.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: No, it's a Saw imformant right like it's a Saw guy.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: And the thought process is is that when because Saw
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: and mon Mathma's rebels have not split it this moment,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: they don't split until one baby why, which is the
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: next arc.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: My thought process is is that Luthen and Saw end
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: up together, and Cassian and Man are in that group.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: So this I do believe. I do believe that's going
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to happen, because I am pretty sure in some trailers,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I am pretty sure we have seen Luthen and Saw scenes,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: but we haven't legitimately seen them here in this season
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: because Lutha never met up with Saw in season one.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Right, mm hmmm, no he did, he did.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe that's maybe that's what the photos I've
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: been seeing were from.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So here where is it?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Is?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: This tab? This is the informant. Oh and guys, if
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: you're listening, I'm showing Clay a picture of Cassian with
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the informant in you.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: You will has just a couple, uh, you know, a
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: couple of years with no you know, athletic ability and
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: gained a few pounds. That's Will right there. I could
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: see it now that you say it now, I can
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: see it.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I saw that theory. Is not my theory. Somebody pointed
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: it out, because again, I'm not the Easter Eggs person
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: out all whatsoever. I believe it seeing that photo like
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: is wild.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I could see that happening though. Uh but yeah, just
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: just to say, like f will because Cassian is like
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: talking to him on an earpiece and trying to get
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a hold of him because he knows something's gonna go down,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: and so he wants to get his friend out of
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: there as soon as possible. And we see Zero go
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: into the building and uh, they immediately tell him, Hey,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: you're cleared, but you're not cleared to go upstairs. You're
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: gonna have to wait in this room. And he waits
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: with the KX droids with several other people in that
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: room as well. We eventually see him get out of
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: that room to talk to Dedra and he's like, hey,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? And this is when
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: we see a side of Cyril that I don't think
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I was ever going to see. I did not think
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Cyril had the balls to ever do anything like this. Yeah,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: genuinely agitated because he does tell and I can't remember
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the father's name, uh to everybody.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Write our gas father writer Gas.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Yes. He like he confronted Syria right before the gathering
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and he's like, this is a trap. You're gonna kill
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: us a ball. He's like, this was only supposed to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: be for outside agitators to bring them in, and then
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: this was a trap for them. That's all he was
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: told by Dedra, by the ib, by the empire. And
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: so he tells Dedra like, this is what we were
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. What is this? What have you
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: been planning all along? And how long have you known
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: about this?
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: And she says, you didn't complain about all the promotions.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: But that was that was after. That was after he
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: had the audacity strength, if you will. His reaction to
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: her trying to just throw it to the wall and
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, this is nothing. He grabs her neck
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: and chokes her and pulls her in really close, and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: he says, if you lie to me, like like he
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: legitimately threatens Dedra. This is a side I never would
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: have seen.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: And this is why I think he fell in love
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: with Inza, but was too scared to break up with
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Dedra and so breaks up with him, which is why
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: they're conflicted. In episode seven.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I'm so upset. I'm so upset because there's there's a
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: parton here that I've heard a lot of people kind
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: of argue about, and we'll get there eventually, but uh,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: he simply walks away. He walks away from Dedra because
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Dedra said, Oh, this is what's gonna happen. They need
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: this mineral blah blah blahlah blah, and.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: We're gonna go back to chorus on his heroes.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's when she's he says, I'm not okay
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: with this, And that's when she said, oh, well, you didn't,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you know, mind the promotions.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: And in my mind, I'm like, he didn't mind the
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: promotions because those promotions were given. Those promotions were giving
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: under false pretense, like like he was getting a promotion
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: literally to hide the guys of what y'all are actually
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: going to be doing to Gorman.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: And now I say this as like somebody who didn't
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: like Cyril, I don't. I still don't think he's a
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: worthy Like he's a good character, but I think he's
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: still a bad character at the end of the day.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: But I get this for him.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: No, So here's here's the thing. Here's the thing. Okay,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I want to go ahead and talk about his arc
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: real quick. Guess what His arc is not very long.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: He leaves the building and we're about to jump into
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: our third ad.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Y'all.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: We promise we'll be right back, we promise.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: He leaves the building, Immense chaos ensues, shots are fired.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: We will talk about that more in detail because I
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of a fact a uh experiment
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: that I actually ran while watching this. There are shots
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: being fired from every direction. This man somehow is missed
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: by every shot in every direction, does not get grays
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: touched anything the entire time, and as all the chaos,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: he looks to one side and he sees Ease and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: or he sees Cassian, and we see Cassie and line
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: up a shot to to Dedra and I'm like, bro,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: everything's about to be fixed. You're good to go. You
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: see what Cassian is doing? Walk away?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: He says, that's my woman, and.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: He tackles Cassian. They get into this very intense fight,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: by the way, very intense, very yeah, like this is
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: a whole like we are seeing a very angry side
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to Cyril. And I've heard some people kind of discuss
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: why he went ahead and attacked Cassian. I want to know,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: in your opinion, why do you think he attacked Cassian.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Because it's I just watched an episode of something where
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the mom of a serial killer, let's the person they
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: have captured go because they were like he she likes
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: the kid and is like, you're gonna get married blah
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But then the son comes home and
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: the cop fights the son, and then the mom injects
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: him with a lethal dose of morphine, and it's like,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: that's my son. And that's basically what this is. Is
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Cyril is like, that's my woman, and like I hate
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: her at the moment, but that's still my woman. That's
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: basically what it says. Also, but like he killed the
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Moro Lana one Cops four years.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And there's a lot of people that
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: are just like, regardless of what he thinks about Dedra,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: this man is still a man of law. It's still
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: a man that is like that was his whole thing
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: is like, hey, he didn't really understand the full extent,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and maybe he did and then played dumb. What Gorman was,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: you know, attempting to do as far as the rebellion goes.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: But his whole purpose was to get outside agitators. That
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: is still something that the empire saw as illegal and
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: was wanting to bring those people to justice. He is
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: still a man of law.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Cyril is in essence the person who is like, oh,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: but this isn't affecting me, and there are people who
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: are in fact breaking the law, so we must uphold
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: those people to the law. But that doesn't mean like
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: we should be in the law to make other people
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: like what's happening right now with immigration basically, and then
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: he realizes, hey, I've helped been the law to get
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: everybody else.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And for me, I, after hearing those arguments,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, But there was a part of
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: because I don't believe he would have been this like, oh,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I'm on the side of the rebellion now, because again
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a man of law. But what I did genuinely want
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: was for him to be able to walk away he
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: now learned that the Empire of the Galaxy is the
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: correct one, and for him to just be like fuck it,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore and walk away. That's what
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I hoped for. But what I got instead was a
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: huge hand to hand fistfight with Cassie in and then
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Cassie looks him straight in the eye it says, who
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: are you? And it fucking blew my mind to then realize,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, Hold on a second, these two have never
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: met before. This is so good. This is so good
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: because I the face that Cyril makes immediately after that comment.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't for the shot in the head, I
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: think Sarah would have dropped the gun. I think Cyril
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: would have dropped the gun. I don't think he would
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: have had it in him to kill Cassie. And after that,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: because the fact that the man that he has been
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: chasing four years has no idea. You are an insignificant fly.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Don't to me.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: You don't matter in the big scheme of this intergalactic
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: chess game that we're all playing. You're just a nobody.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And I think Cyril knew it the moment he said it.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: He lowered the gun before anything else could happen. The
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: other leader of the rebellion in Gorman shoots him right
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: in the back of the head.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: And this shot is also why I think that he
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: had a thing within the and the father was really
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: pissed off about.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: That Oh no, no, no, I think the I think
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the father was so pissed about this trap that took
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: place that he's like, Hey, you were one of the
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: top people responsible for this, so you deserve this no
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: matter what. But I want to talk about the Gorman massacre, Katie.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Which before you ask the question, I just want to
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: point out they had three hundred and fifty extras on
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: set for this, all in costume. The shots in this episode,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: cinematography wise, are so impressive, like realistically the whole arc,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: like everything looks beautiful. I keep saying this with the
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: arcs that we're covering, but like to have that many
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: people on set is like unheard of these days on camera.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it props to Tony Gilroy and the production staff
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: for making sure that this looks legit as possible. So
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I just like to make sure we said that.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Uh, the the fun little fact that I had, it's
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: not really fun. It's very intense. The moment the first
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: shut is fired to the moment of the last cry
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: for help fourteen minutes, twenty three seconds, fifty eight milliseconds,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: with literally zero breaks. There is no cut to coruscant,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: There is no cut to acquire scene with Dedra. There
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: is no scene with Luthen there is. It is all
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: the Gorman massacre for fourteen straight minutes. Yep. This is
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: a very intense scene. I it was hard for me
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: to watch the first time because of how long I
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: thought that there was going to be cuts to like
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: a scene with Dedra, you know, a quieter scene. But no,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: every every cut you can see people getting blasted. In
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: the background. You could hear shots being fired. You can
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: hear people screaming and calling for help every single shot
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: from the first moment to the last cry for help.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Fourteen minutes twenty three seconds.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: And it feels long, but not in like a bad
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: way of like, oh, this is dragging on. Your attention
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: is held on that entire almost fifteen minutes. Yeah, Like
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: it's heartbreaking to watch, but it's meant to hold your
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: attention and to really capture that so you know exactly
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: what the heck is going on, and you are the
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: witness basically at the end of it, like Cassian saw
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: all of it, and you are basically Cassian in this.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, by the way, people just want to not
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: fear monger or anything else. This is peaceful protest by
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the way, nothing illegal happening, and the shooting was the
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: government killing one of one of its own to then
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: provoke a wild massacre. Yep, just so you just so
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: everybody is aware, there is there is no hiding this,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: there is no Oh but you know this happened. No, no,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: this is this is what happened. And uh, with how
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: things are looking, uh in real world, this is getting
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: more and more terrified. This is this is this is
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: no more Star Wars, this is more like Earth Wars.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: But we move on to episode nine. Well, one thing
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I will say, two things I will say for episode eight.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: The ending of episode eight, Uh, Cassie and Will found
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: each other. Uh. They were run to get to girl. Well,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: they were escaping until the Kax droid basically was sloding
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: people down the road and they tried to help, and Sam,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: the individual who ended up killing Santa, actually saves Cassian
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: by ramming into the k X joy destroying it.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I literally was like, at least he's good for something.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I was I was gonna say. This does not away
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: from that moment, but there is a bit of redemption
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: there and again Will running off to see this girl
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: who is she's the one broadcasting to all of Gorman
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and to anybody out there as a distress call, letting
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: it known. Let it be known. The Empire is murdering
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: all of us for no reason. And that's what this
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: episode nearly ends on. We also learn that no, Darth
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Vader did not make an appearance in this season.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Nope, thankfully.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: The scene in which was questioned when Dedra was you know,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: grabbing her collar and everything else. Guys, these Imperial outfits
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: are very tight. They have a very high collar.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: She's having a panic attack.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: She was having a very big panic attack. You see
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: the symptoms. Her leg is shaking, her hand to shaking
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: her whole entire arm starts to shake it, and she
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: stops it. She has a little bit of a choking fit.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: And then the only thing to get her somewhat composed
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: that she is like trying to straighten out her jacket
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: and like is rubbing her hands on her thighs. And
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: we see that even the most despicable people I hope
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: we see her death next arc can have these types
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: of reactions to such a massacre.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: And Adrian said it on threads, and I'm gonna say
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: it here, that does not mean she's worthy of redemption.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: You can have panic attacks as a very bad person.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, which is why I said redemption, Which is why
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I said I hope we see her death in the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: next arc, because she isn't a good person, and to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: a point, neither was Cyril. Like that there was a
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: there's there's a bit of a like, hey, there was
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: probably a moment where he was going to learn, but
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: then boom got blasted. You know, No, he had no
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: time for a redemption art. But the last scene we
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: do see is Cyril's mom watching the broadcast and not
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: knowing what happened to her son.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: I really thought she already knew.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Do you think so?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because and I mean, don't get I guess people
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: can like calm and like support you if you don't
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: know what's going on. But the way she was crying
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: made me feel like she already knew.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: There's a possibility of that because the broadcast was in
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: the plaza, which was very clean.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, it takes place the day after,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: because they say like, oh, we're rounding up bodies, were
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: figuring out what happened yesterday. The death toll will continue
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: to rise. Blah blah blah blah blah, yeah. So, and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Cyril wasn't in like a bomb explosion, like his body
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: would be very easy to recognize, and especially having his
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: girlfriend on staff to identify the body.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, this is our third atbreak and we will
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: be right back.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this was a very thought provoking episode in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of heartbreaking moments, really good action shots, really
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: good music. Ten out of ten. No, no no complaints.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Like, no complaints, no notes. This was a very good
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: episode of television.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Now I could like be like a real asshole and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: be like but it didn't make me smile. No, Like,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: that wasn't the point of this episode. In case you're
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: that type of person, This is like, don't watch this
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: if you're looking for something happy.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Like, guys, everybody who listens to this show
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: knows that I am always looking for my happy ending
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: in Star Wars. This is not it. Okay, this is
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: not it. Neither is episode nine. We're gonna talk about nine.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: So episode nine is titled Welcome to the Rebellion, which
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: I think it is a little silly and gimmicky but
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: very appropriate sometimes that the fact that every single episode
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: is titled something that is actually legitimately said in the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: episode itself, Katie, how did you feel about the approach
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: to this episode? We see the the news of Gorman
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: is affecting Corrison in a very big way, right, and
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: of course that means big things for of course the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: people who were secretly attached to the rebellion, that being
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Man Mathma, that being Bail or Gun all of this
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: other stuff. So walk us through a little bit of
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: your of your thought process watching this episode.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: I really this is another episode that keeps you on
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: the edge of your seat, and it's for political reasons
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: this time in not necessarily action entirely, even though you
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: do get action in this episode, it's conversational action more
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: of than anything, because you see the like Mad Mathma
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: is planned to be the person who goes out, because
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Bail could have given the speech theoretically and been the
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: one to escape, but Mad Mathma has been the one,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: and we see this in Brain of the Empire. Ma
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Mathma has been the one pissing everybody off and like
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: towing the line. Bail is supportive behind the scenes in
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: getting things done and opening doors for mon Mathma to
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: say the things that need to be said, but there
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: always has to be that doorway that you are able
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: to go through because if you're just a blunt person
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: who wants to like say things, you're never gonna you
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: have to have those connections to make sure you're able
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: to speak out in the open. And this is what
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: happens in this episode because we see the isb guy,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: not patter guys, but another supervisor who works with Dedra.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: He's basically like, yeah, we're gonna have a senate meeting,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: but like we have a very strict agenda. Nobody's getting
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: into this discussion if you're not on the engine already.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: And we see, like my Mathma has a plan. She's
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: been building the connections. Bail has also been building the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: connections to make sure that this speech gets to be said,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: to build up that support for the rebellion, to light
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: that spark. And so that's what this episode is is
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: man Mathma is planning her speech which she gets to
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: write in twenty four hours.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: It's Supervisorlagrete Logret.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: You can see how much he regrets with his hair.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Sorry had to say it. So Ma, Mamma has less
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: than twenty four hours to prep her speech, which she's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: prepping with her cousin assistant ens In. We then proceed
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: to find out who's been hired by Luthan and has
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: been working for him since the wedding.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: I immediately hear the voice of the wife in Missus
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: doubtfire the whole time, the whole time, the whole time.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I really like this reveal because again it touches on
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing that is going on in Mon's life,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: in her life in cost is immense paranoia because ends
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: and ends up finding a bug yep, and now no,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: not a Crawley bug, a listening bug, a listening device
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: within Mon's office. She immediately proceeds to destroy it.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: And you said, the Missus Gallifire quote, this is I
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: don't know. There's like this thing that I grew up
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: with where we would always when we were plaining about something,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: we would say, and you pack that in a box,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: and then you pack that in a box and then
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: you smash it with a hammer. And that's what I
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: got out of that. I just had to share that
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: there's a lot more packing in of boxes. But that's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: too long for a podcast.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: She proceeds to tell and then hey, I need a
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: practice this speech. And this is when we, like you said,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: have the conversation with Luthen. The reveal, Evnsen, she feels
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: betrayed all of these other things.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Luthen also tells her, Hey, Babel's team is not to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: be trusted.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: How did you feel about this? Did you believe him?
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: I did believe him because I feel like, at the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: end of the day, they need mon Mothma to be
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: the voice because Bail isn't ready for that yet, and
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: so Luthan has only ever to protect Man in a
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: sick way. Don't get me wrong, it's a sick way. Yeah,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: but his main goal is to keep Man Mama alive.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: I genuinely thought he was being a little overprotected, and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, he's gonna screw this up, and this
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: is what's going to legitimately like tear apart the Lutheran
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: saw rebellion factions. Is this right here? That's what I
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: genuinely felt, the way he was just emphasizing it. I
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, this feels a little off.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: And again, like we even here in the episode, like
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: because later on Man talks to Bail and he mentions
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: it and she's like, do you know them? He's like no,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Like that's too dangerous. I could I could never have
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: direct contact with them, and so she gets paranoid again,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: like I feel for mon so much as it's.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Because you were betraying everything you have known, like she
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: says it at some point this season, maybe it was
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: these episodes, but she's like, I have been in this
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Senate from more than half my life. I know you people.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: You are my colleagues, my enemies, my allies. Like, but
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: I know you people, and now she is turning against
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: every single one of them, and she doesn't know who
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: to trust because at the end of the day, this
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: is her life. Yeah, and it's also the life of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: her husband and child, who were not mentioned in this
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: arc whatsoever. And apparently there was potentially a deleted scene
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: that had her talking to them.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, and that'll be along with the discussion, same thing
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: with what Andrew had discussed earlier.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: All right, Andrew, I'm sorry, I will we'll be talking
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: about it because there has been enough discussion.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: I think of those types of things when when watching
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: this episode, I did notice a very cheeky thing that
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: they did with the camera work when we see the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: uh the representative for Gormant screaming out and saying, you know,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Gorman was was wrong. Was wrongfully murdered, and like all
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: of these different things, he does make a statement Gorman,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: today your planet will be next, It'll be It'll be
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: you in this spot next time, and the camera cuts
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: to bail Or Ghana mm hmm. And I genuinely think
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: there was this was intentional for for overshadowing of of
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: course him and the death of his planet in a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: New Hope. Yeah. I thought that was very tongue in cheek,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: very subtle type of thing. But we do.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: But it's always something that's said, right, is like, hey,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: they will come for you next kind of thing, And
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: so it's it's Tony Gilroy and I think it was
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Yan News who direct ys Mets who directed these episodes,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: but it's them playing with the fact that we already
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: know what happens in the future, whereas if and Or
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: had come out first and we had never seen a
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: New Hope and we were building to a New Hope,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: like this would be like ooh, it's all around next
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: kind of thing exactly.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But after that we get these scene with
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Cassian and Cleia, and Cassian is basically letting her know
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: like hey, like after this, I'm done, Like I'm done
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: and she even says, like, what does that mean? Like
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: you're done? Like that? That could mean a lot of things.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: What does what does it necessarily mean?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: You're done with me, You're done with Lucid, You're done
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: with the rebellion?
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's it's a very open statement, but he
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: does say it. He says, haven't I done enough? Like what?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Like when have I never not come through? Like when
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: if I? When have I ever been a disappointment to
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: what these operations are? Right? So, like these conversations are
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: very are supposed to be very thought provoking for the audience.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, there's the weight of the galaxy. It's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: literally on me on Cassie AND's shoulders right now. And
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: with what he just went through with Gorman, m hm,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I would one out too, Yep, you just survived a
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: complete massacre. I would say, Hey, I was lucky. I
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: don't want to be lucky again, Yill. I want to live.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I want to live a life.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: And I feel like he does. Does he talk about
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: luck in this oh? Like or is that another show
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: that I'm watching? It's probably another ship that I've been watching.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I don't remember anything specific in this last episode.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: I've been watching firefighter shows and like, so there's a
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: lot of talk about like luck and everything, especially if
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: you've been following like nine to one one with like
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: one of the actors die, not actors, but like characters
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: dying in that. Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Sorry, but when after this conversation, this is when we
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: see ah a conversation. The next day, when mon is
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: getting ready for her speech, they have the conversation. They
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: she has a conversation with Bail. You know, he says like,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: he says something that I think a lot of people
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: were like, oh right there, I literally pause that at
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: the right time. He says, tear the shit out of
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: this place. Guys. Bail Organa is not only a representative
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: of Aldron. He has a husband, He is a daughter.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: He is a father to a dodter who has at
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: this point been a little bit of a little shit
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: because yeah, I just read that book. By the way,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: isn't it so good?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: It's so good?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: And this should be our final ad break. So y'all,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: thanks for bearing with us. We appreciate y'all. We'll be
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: right back.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: This dude and he is one of the pillars of
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: the rebellion. This stuff that you see him during his
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: moments at the Senate. These are all formalities. It's the
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: same as you whenever you put on a face and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: a smile at your job. It's okay for him to cuss. Guys,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: and people were saying, man, could you imagine if Dave
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Filoni had written this episode tear the panther voodoo off
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: of this place, like like like saying something really stupid
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, like don't even like, don't give me started,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: like like after after after giving me Mandalorian finale, season
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: three finale, don't talk to me about Boloney directing something
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: like this never ever again.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm dying, Internet.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: You are way too much, way too much. You got
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: serious out of me, Like I h like again a
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: discussion for another time. I have seen enough with what
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Travis and the and the geek verse guys have been
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: talking about in the and or spoiler chat that I
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: think there's a legitimate, legitimate conversation about, like lucasfilm, what
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: we could have had, what we couldn't like, what we
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: didn't have, all this other stuff. But we get down.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: We're getting down to the down, like to the to
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: the really gritty parts of this episode mm, we see
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Inza and Cassie and Meat, we see the Senate is
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: actually like ramping up to this moment because there's gonna
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: be a moment where Bail or Ghana. It's like, hey,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: there's a statue in this one act that you know,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: if you're if if if, if so many dominoes fall
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: with this, you know, perfect moment, then we're able to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: enact this.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: He pulls the legal use out, yes, and is like,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: because the other thing is again all about building your connections.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: You cannot be a blunt person and say what you
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: want to say in a professional environment without having those connections.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Because basically, like three senators feed their time to Bail
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: in this instance, and then Bail pulls out the legalese
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: to feed it to man Mathma, because you know for
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: a fact that if it had been those senators yielding
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: their time to mon Mathma, the supervisor would have come
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: out and been like, nah, this dysantco fly. Bail had
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: to pull out the legalese to make it happen.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why you need.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Bail in this episode, Like, that's why the recast had
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: to happen, is because you need Bail in this because
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Mad doesn't have another friend in the Senate in this instance,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: who can do that, who can spend the time and
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: the documentation, because there's thousands of planets in the empire, guys,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: like just imagine the rule book for that, like our
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: rule book is a government in the US is already
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: insane enough, like so it had to happen. And I
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: think Benjamin Bratts does an incredible job.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, for the small amount of time that he is
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: on screen, he plays his role well uh he he
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: gets the job done. What we do see is Bail's
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: exit team for Mond. They all arrive separately, but then
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: they all meet together and they're like, hey, we you
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: you guys got the plans. Okay, this is what we're
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: gonna do. Let's initiate it. Let's go, and one individual
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: goes off, and then the two go together. We see
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: them go in some sort of like downstairs like like yeah,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: like some sort of like armory, warehouse closet whatever for
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: this chamber, for the for the Senate chamber, and one
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: of them we find out is an I B informant so.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Just informant.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah she is she is is s b uh. And
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: we find out that luthan is in fact, uh you
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: know it was correct in his in his assumptions and
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: his word that got back to him. So uh, then
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: we start to see everybody panic. And when I say
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: everybody panic, I mean the empire. The empire is like, oh, ship,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: we can see where this is going. Man is not
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: allowed to be heard. Shut it down, shut it down quick.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: And this is where you get all of the little
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: acts of rebellion that very subtle, very very subtle, and
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: all following the letter of the law, where you literally
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: I s can't do ship back deah oh us they
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: want to be seen breaking the law.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's I guess apparently just due to the rules
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: of the Senate Chamber, like this door is supposed to
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: be locked, and you know this, that and the other,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: and like the key is actually supposed to be put
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: away the day prior, so that way nobody deals with it.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Da And so this dude, who is basically the eyes
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: and ears on the floor for ISB is like running
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: around the entire place, which I actually thought was really
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: really fun. Which again, guys, there can be small pockets
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: of these little moments of humor, which is totally fine
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: for Star Wars you know. Thankfully they were able to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: do it very subtly and didn't ruin quote unquote the moment,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: as you know, people say, then we get the speech.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: The speech goes off with a band sang for mon
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: You can tell the anxiety that she has, and like,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: for a moment, I was like, oh God, they're just
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: leaving her in the center of the floor. They're not
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: moving her chair back, because it literally looks like she's
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: not moving. No, just it's literally And I think they
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: do it on purpose. I think this is genuine ly
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: on purpose, because we as the audience are holding our breath.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: What's gonna happen next, What's going on? We know Mana survives,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: but we don't know what happens in this moment, what's
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: going on. And this is how she is feeling. She's
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: feeling stuck, she's feeling alone, she's feeling like nobody's there
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: to help. And then finally when she does open the door,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Cassie and is right there and he tells her, Hey,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: I was in Gorman. I was in Gorman yesterday. We
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: need to talk and she's like, no, I can't talk
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: right now. I can't.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: She's still going with the Okay, I'm going with bails team. Like,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's the decision she's made here.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what Pop makes her pause as he says
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: I have friends everywhere, which is the key phrase that
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Luthen likes to use, because this isn't the first arc
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: that we've heard it. We've heard it being said multiple
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: times throughout the season. So when this happens, Mon knows, Okay,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: this is Luten's guy. He will protect me in some
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: sort of capacity.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Because Mon was supposed to say are you alone and
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Cassian was supposed to respond I have friends everywhere, But
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: when she runs into Cassian, she's like, okay, I'm not
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: even gonna ask because boy with Bailes team. And so
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: then Cassian's kind of forced to say the code phrase
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: on his own after saying like all his stuff, And
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: I think she still gets to a point in the
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: elevator where she's like, do I really want to go
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: with Luthern's guy or can I go with Bailes team?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: But then we get down to it and she's forced
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: to make the decision because the ISB agent reveals herself
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: and threatens her, and Cassian's like, ah, fuck, no, I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: got this. But By the way, we didn't really talk
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: about the speech from Mama from Mad Mathma. It's epic.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: I highly encourage you to go listen to it. Genevieve
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: O'Reilly gives an incredible performance. And I know we've gotten
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: a lot about Man Mathma in books and everything, but
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: for Genevieve O'Reilly to take mon Mathma. And I saw
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: this on Twitter again, so I can't take credit for this,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: but somebody said Mad Mathma was the mini Buthans died
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: to bring us this information, girl, and now she is
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: the uh talk like basically called Palpatine out for what
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: he is girl. Yeah, and that's an incredible transformation. And
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: I sincerely hope that even though we make fun of Filoni,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: that Filony makes the right decision and continues to bring
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Genevieve O'Reilly in for his post return of the Jedi
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: product projects.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: So I really do hope.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the gist of that there.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: I really I really.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Don't think we could do it justice by summarizing it.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: The video is on YouTube, Go go watch it.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very good scene when the IB agent reveals herself,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Uh I forgot his name. Cousin Insen yells out she's
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: a rebellion spy, and she pulls her gun towards and
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Cassie and sees the old opening pops her right in
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: the head. She falls down and he points the gun
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: at the other person, who was genuinely probably one of
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Bails guys. Yeah, and he's like, in you, who are you?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm a nobody. We just met that I promised, Like, like,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on here, and so they
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: walk away. We see that that mon has taken off
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: her robe yeh, she is only in her white dress
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: and commence the run around the Senate building for the
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: rest of the episode. This is the moment where she's like, Oh,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think I can do this. I can't do this.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: I can't do this, and Cassie and says, of course
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: the line of the episode, welcome to the Rebellion. During
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: all of this, during her speech and everything else, we
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: go back to the driver who is still a part
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: of the plane on the ISB side, to when she
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: gets there, drive her into custody and nobody knows where
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: she is, nobody's seen her. That was one of the
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: big things at the beginning of this episode is nobody's
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: seen her. She somehow snuck into the Senate building without
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: anybody noticing. I feel like this is also possibly some
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: sort of deleted scene, yeah, because it is not mentioned
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: at all. You just see her next with bail Organa
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: talking before her speech. But we see this driver having
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: communications with the supervisor and then eventually we see him
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: listening to Man's speech. And there is one particular moment
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: me and Katie actually talked about this the other day.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: There is what we feel is a very intentional shot
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: bird's eye view shot of the vehicle looking into the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: windshield and quite possibly a like sun roof of the vehicle,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: and you see the blaster at the passenger side seat
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: with the driver during her speech, and you're like, okay,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: he means business. What does this mean? Well, during the
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: running around the Senate building we see a lot of stormtroopers,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Cassie and Man are having to like redirect from their
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: like previously known like exit strategy and the loading dock whatever.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: They're like, yes, screw that, we have to go this
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: other way when they get to the outside. Prior to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: them getting outside, uh, the driver.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: I also laughed hysterically at this part. Sorry, but like
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: while modern Cassie and are running around the building and
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: you have everybody going in and you've already had somebody
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: tell the ISB guy hey, like they just took off
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: from Gate nine basically, and is like, yeah, there was
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: shooting like supposed rebel agents blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: You still have people trying to break into her podroom, yeah,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: in the Senate Building, and they like break in and
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh my gosh, she is in here. I
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: laughed at the inefficiency they they are.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: They are in immense chaos mode, like they don't know
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: what they're supposed to be doing.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: And this should be our final ad break. So y'all,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: thanks for bearing with us. We appreciate y'all. We'll be
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: right back.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: But the drive starts walking up these giant steps and
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: then oh, by the way, the Senate building. You'll appreciate this.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: If anybody is a fan of Doctor Who, this building
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: was used in the episode uh where Capaldi and uh
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Billy that is it? Is it Billy who was with
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Capaldi's doctor right? Uh? Yes, that was her name, right?
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Uh the episode where they're like on like the destination
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: like vacation place. Ah, Yes, this is the same building. Yeah. Uh.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: So when they are outside, when Cassie and man are outside,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: she mentions the uh uh the driver, the driver, and
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, what's his name? I can't remember what
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: his name actually was.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: It's Cloris or.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Cloris, Yeah, chloris sounds right.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: And she because cassiean asks Cassian is like, oh, is
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: he friendly? And she's like, no, he's an ISB agent.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's a plant, is what she says. And
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: so they well, Cassie is like, oh, hey, hey, we
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: got her, we got her.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: We're good.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: We got her. And he's like, wait, but who are you?
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: And before you can even finish his sentence, Cassie and
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: blasts and I want to quickly talk about this, and
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: this is probably like, of course, this is nearing the
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: end of the episode, and we still need to talk
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: about the of course big scene with Bicks. My big
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: question to Katie and Katie, I'm gonna ask you again
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: the driver. We didn't see what happened to the blaster.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Do you think he left it in the vehicle or
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: did he have it on him?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: It could be both ways. He could be trying to
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: play hero, but he could I really think the only
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: reason he left the vehicle is because he wanted to
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: play hero and be the one to bring von Mack.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: But in so to me, I think he has the blaster.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: The other thing I think that this bird's eye view
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: of the blaster is supposed to bring to us is
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: one of the questions from Rogue one that Tony Gilroy
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: wanted to answer is why did Cassian shoot the informant
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of Rogue one? And does he do
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: this regularly? And I think it's kind of set there
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: to go. Okay, he does do it before Rogue one,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: but there's a good reason and Cassian may not have
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: known that, but there's a good reason for it because
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: the driver was potentially holding a blaster and could have
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: killed them both and destroyed everything the Rebellion was trying
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: to go for.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: And for me, I I know that uh Cyril would
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: have never turned into a good guy. Yeah, But what
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: I do believe is the importance of Man's words and
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: what needed to be said for the birth of the
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Rebellion is I think people who heard Man could have
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: definitely decided right then and there, hey the Empire is bad.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: And with that I genuinely believe that the gun. What
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: I what I told Katie is that I genuinely thought
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: that the end of the actual episode was going to
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: be Cassian driving off with Mand and then the camera
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: cutting to a close up of the blaster in the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: passenger seat. And I think it's still fun to debate
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: if you would have had it or not, because that's
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: the whole point of these types of conversations and in
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: these episodes, and you know TV, of course, but I
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: think there still would have been a lot of weight
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: to see if the blaster was there or.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: Not, right, because you do have like in these instances,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: you have to make hard choices, and ultimately it's the
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: age old Hey, save one life that the train could
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: run over, or save five lives that the train could
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: run over. It's the trolley problem of the situation. Yeah.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the last part of this episode.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Is fix and Cassian, well, okay, sorry, that's not the
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: last part of this episode, because Cassian is like, okay,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: I'm getting her off of Courson. Like he gets to
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: the safe house, yes, yes, yes, arc two, and we're
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: gonna have to hurry up because apparently my headphones to Dian.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: He gets to the safe house, Clay is there. You
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: see Will and his girlfriend. They have made it to
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Corouscont and Clia is like, by the way, you're not
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: taking her to Yavin. They want her to come in
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: with a Yavi and escort. It's basically like that, Hey,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: we didn't do enough. We screwed up because there was
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: a spy in our midst. So we're going to pretend
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: like this's never happened and we're the ones who got
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: her off Corousson, which is where we get to in Rebels.
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  Speaker 2: So you could literally you skip the you skip part
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: of the story, but you go to the Rebels episode
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  Speaker 2: with man Mathma and everything, and you get the next
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: part of the story. Guys.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but uh that is also uh you know,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: we get some dialogue with Mon and Cassian and and
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: uh Mon and Clay a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, because we have to hurry up, let's go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and talk about this Bix and Cassian thing. I'm
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: gonna say my bit, and then uh, Katie, you can
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: say your bit, But the entire thing is Cassie and
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: tells Bicks, Hey, I'm done. I don't want to do
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: this anymore. I want to live. We need to leave,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: there's still places that are safe and we can just
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: live our lives. Blah blah blah. Next thing we know,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: it's the next morning, Bis has gone. Bicks has left
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: a message basically explaining, Hey, if if you were to
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: leave the rebellion, I would feel so bad because I
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: think that you are a pillar of this rebellion. I
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: think you were going to be the reason why we win,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: and once we do win, once everything is over, we'll
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: find each other and we could be together. I wanted
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: to throw my TV out, fuck in window. Okay, this
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: man is tired. We know. I know. I know that
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: there's rogue one. I know that he has to be there.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: I understand that. But I hate this writing for the
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: fact that, and maybe it's just the story arc of
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Cassian he has not been able because he even said
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: it to Luthan earlier this episode or even last episode,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. He says, I make my own decisions.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: I make my own decisions, and I think it was
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: foreshadowing this moment with Bicks, because this is not a
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: decision he got to make. Ye, this man is tired
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: and it's not fair.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: And I don't blame Cassian. I don't blame Bix either, though,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: because I have been in that situation where it's like, yeah,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: but okay, if you're if I'm with you and I
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: try to have this conversation with you, you're gonna talk
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: me out of it. And it is very taunting, like
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: she is taunting him with a reward like finish the
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: job and I'll be here waiting, But also like he
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: also her alive.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: I hope she feels bad she hears back from the rebellion, Hey,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Cassian's dead. I hope you feel bad, Bis.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: I wonder ooh, I'm curious now if I would love
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: it if they chose to do like an epilogue where
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Bigs is told what happened.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Like, uh ooh, would they ever? This is interesting because
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: this is now a publishing question. Do you think they
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: would ever do an anniversary of from a certain point
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: of view with extra stories?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out because fiftieth anniversary is coming up.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would actually see. I don't know
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: if I would enjoy one with Bis, because I mean,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: if she feels bad, then yeah, I'd be happy to
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: read a books story. But yeah, I was upset, I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: was back. I was genuinely upset because I've been there.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: I have been, and of course not in a literal
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: life saving, galaxy saving type of scenario, but in a
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: scenario where I want to quit. Guys, I'm gonna be
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: the person that every parent hates. For that person to
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: be in your life. It's okay to quit. It is
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: okay to quit, it is okay to give up. Why
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: because just because you can't do it now does not
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: mean you can't do it later.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: Correct, And you could have had You could have easily
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: had it where they were able to leave and then
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: like Cassie and gets brought back for one more mission
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. You're the only one who could do
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: this kind of thing. But exactly, I think they wanted
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: to leave it open and kind of set you where
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: his mindset is because he is a desperate man and
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Brokee one, and like we talked about at the beginning
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: with and for her season two theories it what did
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: I say? I said, we have to get to the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: desperate man. And so Bigs is not going to be
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: in the final arc or she is going to die.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: And I think you had to cut her out somewhere.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: So would you have rather her left and be the
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: survivor that she is while setting Cassian up for the
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: man he's supposed to be. Because it feels like Bis
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: wants to be is like somewhat for sensitive or is
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: like needs to believe in something because of her trauma.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: And so when the Force Healer tells her, hey, Cassian
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: is meant for something special, she goes, oh, I have
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: to help him be that then, like that is my purpose.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: I have to be that person for him to help
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: him be yes.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: And I genuinely think it's that. I think that she,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: with everything that they've gone through, she needs something to
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: latch onto, and that's something is the hope that Cassian
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: will bring the rebellion to success and will save the galaxy.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: It just it just sucks. I I I get the situation.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: I understand what the big decision was, but to not
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: have Cassian be able to make that decision for himself
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: is selfish. Is it's it's not fair. And again, I
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: know where we have to be at the end of
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: this season. I get it, I really do. It doesn't
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: mean that I have to love everything about it. Oh, no,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: you're but uh but after this we see the uh
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: the birth of uh our droid friend.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, I love this. It is the meat cute.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Uh and I love how hesitant that Cassian is with this.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: He's like, fuck the safety harnesses, like, I'm not gonna
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: wear these glasses, I'm not gonna step back. Give me
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: a blaster and that's all I need. Ah. But they
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: power him up and he looks at Cassie and he's like, uh, hey,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: I greatly appreciate it if you stop pointing that thing
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: at me, you know, And that's literally looked legit like
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: he says those statements. The cut goes from from uh
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: oh shit, K two.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: A so yeah.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: K twos so and then it jumps back to Cassie
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: and and then literally cut to credits and that's it,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: and we will see everybody in the next and final arc. Yes,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: so before Katie's headphones die. Of course, you can always
• 1:45:22
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• 1:45:26
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• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: Uh genuinely uh freaking uh, oh my god. What what
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: is the book that I'm currently reading? Yes, Red Rising
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: quite possibly one of the greatest books I have ever read.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not even finished. Quite possibly one of the greatest
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: books I have ever read. I cannot wait to get
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: my hands on the next book that's gonna be super fun.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: This weekend that we are recording is the weekend of
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: Mother's Day, so Jake and I will not be recording tomorrow.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: We are going to skip this week and have a
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: double review next week for Ghost Yuger episodes twelve and thirteen.
• 1:46:24
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• 1:46:29
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• 1:47:04
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• 1:47:06
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• 1:47:10
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• 1:47:29
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