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Talks to James H about his choice of Arc of Infinity (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blump pen knife for doing.
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  Quicker, quicker, quicker. Welcome back to A Hamster with A
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  Blump in Life, the Doctor Who commentary podcast that
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  discusses every episode of Gallifrey Law.
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  I am here today with the glorious.
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  James. Hello, James.
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  Hello. So I'm going to, I'm going to
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  speak in that terribly eclipsed Barussa voice.
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  Yeah, the the how did Receive Pronunciation get to Gallifrey?
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  They've been listening in on BBC.
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  I believe so, yes. They had some lessons from
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  Maureen Lippmann so far on Gallifrey law.
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  That pesky time traveler who was exiled from Gallifrey has
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  returned and after much debate, has been executed.
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  Yes, and I say that the cliffhanger, as I said,
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  terrified me as a kid. I'm actually really impressed
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  that they didn't go for what my brain now thinks has been a much
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  funnier resolution. For one they going for the
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  resolution. They actually you that kind of
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  crops up in most inventions on virus, basically.
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  Kind of like, I mean what people.
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  What I don't advertise an awful lot about myself is I'm
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  fascinated by the mechanics of magic tricks.
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  I'm cat handed. I cannot do magic to save my
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  life because I love the mechanics of it.
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  And basically what you've got there is the perfect pantomime
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  setup where basically because you've got all this dry ice
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  coming down, it completely obscures the doctor.
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  All you need is a sudden trap door underneath him and
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  basically kind of, yeah, and that's it.
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  The Doctor has vanished. He's been no, he's in the
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  trapdoor and doesn't he, you know?
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  That could have been that get out clause, you know.
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  But yeah it's it's one of those cliffhangers, yeah, as we said
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  because of the build up to it. And actually I was thinking
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  about it in the the short break between recording of the episode
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  2 and this episode. It works as well because of the
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  law aspect to it. This is a bloody formal kind of,
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  you know, this is trial and execution, and if the
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  Gallifreyans are doing it, you know, it is serious, you know,
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  So actually kind of, yeah, it slows the episodes one and two
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  down a bit. But it does build up to the
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  atmosphere because you've been through the legal process,
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  you've been through the discussion, you've been through
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  the kind of one person is against the execution, the rest
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  are for it kind of thing. So I think actually we've been
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  very down on the legal stuff, but it does help that scene.
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  I think if you hadn't had the scene, you wouldn't realize the
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  seriousness of the situation. Are you telling me that I've got
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  to sit through two episodes of tedium in order to make the
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  cliffhanger have weight? Isn't that called Hell Bent?
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  It's 45 minutes of tedium. Do you know I was actually about
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  65? Isn't it?
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  Oh, is it? Another riveting excursion on
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  Gallifrey. It's a 6 billion year prison
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  sentence played out in real time anyway.
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  I'm actually recording that one soon.
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  You know, I've got people coming on to tell me why I'm wrong
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  about that as well. No, no, they are.
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  They are wrong. They are wrong.
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  Right, very quickly before we press play.
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  Now, Phil Moffett was looking in this direction, though, because
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  for some baffling reason, he chooses that bizarre Wibbly
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  matrix effect to highlight the Peter Davidson era in What's the
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  episode called? Name of the Doctor?
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  You know when Clara is going around all the Doctor's time
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  stream, don't mention the bloody name of the Doctor.
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  I have so many issues with the whole of the Matt Smith era.
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  We got to cover one of those too many positive readings on that
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  era lately. Well, we're doing the arc next,
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  and I think we've also been beginning to do The Wedding of
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  River Song and believe that one is going to come first.
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  My entirety of feeling that. Much.
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  Oh, I can't wait. So yes, folks, we have two more
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  of my deep dives of kind of justifications.
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  We got the arc coming up, The Wedding of River Song, but
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  before that. Episode three of Arc of Infinity
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  321 this. Bizarre Venetian blind effect on
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  Peter Davison's face. Does it give you sort of
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  nostalgic tingles? Definitely.
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  The really bizarre one though is of course Paradise of Death and
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  Ghost of End Space, which use this music because my brain come
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  see, this is John Perchman music.
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  Yeah, well, it's like those early big finishes that use all
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  the Tom Baker themes. It's so strange, isn't it?
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  Now you think with the downloads they'd go back and put the right
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  music on. I know some people didn't have
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  one thing. I will say that I do like about
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  the 80s title sequences and I'm gonna be a bit down on fandom
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  actually. They're not boring time tunnels.
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  When I when I first became ill and I was kind of bedridden for
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  a while and I was watching a lot of YouTube, I watched so many
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  fan made title sequences and all they were were basically time
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  tunnels with the TARDIS tumbling down them.
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  You know, at least in the 80s we got kind of, you know, galaxies,
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  we got universes, we got starscapes, you know?
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  I love the McCoy one. I know it's a bit primitive, but
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  I love the sort of the scope of it.
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  Fandom needs to get away from time.
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  Tunnels, I think. Kind of.
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  There's too many clones of the David Tennant 1:00.
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  And then, of course, there's the colonoscopy of fear that is the
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  Matt Smith opener. It's grateful I I can see what
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  they're trying to do with this matrix effect.
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  I can see what they're trying to do.
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  I just think it is doesn't work at all.
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  Does it not work because they didn't have the budget and the
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  technology? Possibly, yeah.
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  And again what we you know, so just the change of lighting when
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  he puts the time vector generators.
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  I know, but you know what? Just like the fact of pulling
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  out that little bit of equipment, it's just, it just
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  makes it seem so mundane. Well, no, because if you think
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  about it again in a couple stories time Turlow is going to
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  be hunting around for that little bit of equipment to pull
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  out. You know, again, there's that
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  nice continuity that kind of creeps in.
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  I do like that sort of glass cube technology that he's using
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  there. That one asks me of original
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  Star Trek a bit, yes. I don't understand how on earth
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  it's supposed to work, but. It's beyond our comprehension,
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  James. Yes, right.
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  Yes, the Guardian was. Lovely touch coming back, Colin.
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  Absolutely looking like the kind of the real kind of I'm in
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  charge and something is not right here.
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  He looks like he's been wearing that uniform his entire life,
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  doesn't he? I'm going to again say that this
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  is actually a really nice continuity touch to Castra
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  Valva. What it does look like the
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  masters web, doesn't it exactly. It is got to imprisoned in a
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  matrix projection web, which is basically what Advoc was in.
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  Do you think that's deliberate? I did actually at one point
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  wonder if it was a screen grab from Castro Valve that was in
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  the back. Oh, maybe, maybe.
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  And they are going for weird and I do appreciate that, but it
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  just, it reminds me of I've been watching The Tomorrow People
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  recently because I'm doing that on Hamster Extra.
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  It reminds me of a terrible effect shot from that show, you
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  know, superimposing a few bits on top of each other.
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  The problem is they they've got a three layer, a three layer
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  shot here, which is technologically for the BBC at
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  the time, something of an achievement.
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  You know they struggle with A1 layer shot at times.
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  No, no, no, they were getting filthy in there earlier.
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  It is now dark in it. She just went.
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  It's a service passage. I mean this dialogue, I'd say
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  coming out, I don't think he's acting is actually all that bad.
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  I mean, he's a he's being forced to work on screen with Janet
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  Fielding, you, you know that's going to dampen.
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  Your challenge for anybody. Yeah, I mean, Colin, bless him.
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  Colin in the story, the story. Yet that we're not allowed to
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  mention, you know, even he struggles to survive against
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  Janet Fielding. I know we're not supposed to
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  mention that. I do like their chemistry a
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  little bit though, because I've because she's willing to stand
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  up to him. So they're always trying to best
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  each other a bit. How big singers didn't I mean, I
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  know why they haven't, but how they haven't found a new way to
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  pair those two together that would be electric.
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  I mean how they haven't brought back Gareth Jenkins for a
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  rematch. I know, because we know why.
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  Yeah. I mean, again, one of the
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  criticisms I remember reading, and I don't know if it was kind
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  of a big criticism at the time, is these, you know, they're
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  saying all these clues, they're too vague cuz no one will have
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  remembered who Omega was. You know, Omega was on the
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  screen two years ago. There was the rerun of the Three
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  Doctors, for fuck's sake. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Do you think they did that in preparation for this?
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  I think it possibly inspired it because I mean again the one
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  that always sticks in my mind, which I didn't find out till
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  many years. You know, you've got Attack of
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  the Cybermen which is really heavy continuity to Tomb of the
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  Cybermen and you think, well no one's going to remember this
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  because it was a lost story. J&T had planned to release
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  attacker Tomb of the Cybermen on LP in the lead up to Attack of
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  the Cybermen. So I think J&T is far savvier on
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  these kind of connections and I think it's the BBC that shafted
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  him on a regular basis. Still at it now because Stephen
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  Moffett, when they knew Weber fear had been found, suddenly
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  was right in the great intelligence into season seven
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  Series 7. Sorry.
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  And it's interesting, you know that all this talk of Rossi
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  Davis doing the Celestial Tool Maker, does that mean that they
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  found that? Who knows?
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  I also really hope it isn't the Celestial Toy Maker.
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  Me too. Not for no reason other than the
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  fact that if it is, and it was leaked like 18 months before the
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  episode was shown, sorry, but that's just bloody fucking
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  useless publicity, you know, right.
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  The zombie acting, Is it bad acting done badly?
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  Or is it zombie acting done incredibly well?
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  I mean, it isn't much acting, is it?
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  He's just sort of standing there dribbling a bit.
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  I do like the way the camera sort of zooms in on him.
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  Yeah. I mean, this is basically kind
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  of again, you know, trying to do the kind of the mystery bit.
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  But again, that's Paul Jericho's job.
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  He is the investigator. He is the Poirot of Gallifrey.
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  Which is why that twist is supposed to hit in The Five
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  Doctors, isn't it, where it's suggested that he's the one
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  behind it all? I mean, again, there are all of
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  these subtle connections, and I think one of the problems that
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  we've got these days is that we watch Doctor Who out of sequence
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  a lot. We dip in and out, you know, so
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  we lose these threads that do occasionally.
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  I mean, he is quite cute actually.
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  He is really cute. You know, and that sort of nice
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  tight white tshirt. Oh, sorry, right.
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  OK, come on. Your defense of the Ergo, this
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  is Hamster Law now. OK, so two things to say to
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  start off with. It's a bloody good step up from
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  Mr. Blobby with the claw and the kind of the weird shambling
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  Jelly like stuff Omega has been living in the antimatic universe
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  for. We don't know how long, you
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  know. And also how the, you know, what
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  technology has he had access to to build this bloody Ergon
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  thing? I mean, we're looking at it and
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  we're seeing kind of, you know, this weird mishmash of things
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  that are awkwardly stuck together.
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  That's because probably it's Omega's equivalent of
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  Frankenstein's monster. He's probably had to actually
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  kind of kind of grab these bits where he can convert them into
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  antimatter, somehow reanimate them, then kind of actually kind
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  of imbue it with some sort of minimal, servile intelligence.
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  That's his brain sticking out the top, for crying out loud.
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  I mean, all the component parts aren't too terrible, but when
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  you stick them all together it just does look like a rubber
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  chicken, and Mrs. Ergon probably loves him to bits.
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  Again, we're seeing this from a very human point of view.
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  No, I'll tell you what, it's what we talked about earlier.
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  We've come to expect. Yeah, just incredibly lifelike,
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  you know, terrifying creatures. I mean, I have a I have a pet
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  beaded dragon downstairs. She's absolutely lovely.
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  She's absolutely terrifying, but there are days when her skin
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  kind of wrinkles up a bit. She looks like the shrivens are
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  walking around, spun man on all fours kind of thing.
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  So we're looking at this creature and it's like, you
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  know, well actually there are some things on this planet which
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  look bloody weird. And also, OK, practicality.
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  It's got an exoskeleton. So therefore it's actually quite
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  well armored. You know, we're used.
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  We're used to seeing kind of, you know, flesh type things.
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  Whereas actually this is an armored servant, you know,
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  again, it's just like we don't know exactly where did where did
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  Omega get his funky gear from? I mean this is again, we're
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  we're we're saying, oh it's a it's a creature, it's a servant.
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  It's like, well, no, it's Frankenstein's leftovers.
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  And he's. I get everything that you're
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  trying to say and you're giving. No, no, you're giving brilliant
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  in story rationales, but the fact is they're trying to
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  present it as a scary monster. It isn't a scary monster.
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  They presented it as an. It came out of the out of the
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  weird spaceship and let's face it, you know, anything coming
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  out of that light would be technically being presented as a
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  scary monster. You know Colin, But if you think
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  about it, Colin Baker, if his cloak was spread out and he had
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  Esmeralda on his head, he would have been a terrifying.
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  Silver OK, back back to Wibbly wobbly land.
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  I mean again. It's the leftover teleport
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  effect from Blake 7. The weird sort of out of
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  proportion Peter Davison and Obiga as well.
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  I find it distracting. But it's supposed to show his
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  dominance over Peter Davison. Yeah, and it's Omega has got
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  this realm. Omega is.
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  And again, I mean, the Matrix is this kind of really bizarre,
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  misunderstood sort of thing. This is the probably the most
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  accurate representation of the matrix that there could be.
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  You know, because actually, it's a mental plane.
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  It's not some surreal fantasy world.
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  It was that in The Deadly Assassin because the Master had
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  taken it over. And it was that in Trial of the
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  Tunnel because the value of the taking it over the Matrix here
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  is not being taken over by a bonkers, batshit crazy villain
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  in black, you know? So this is actually the Matrix.
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  This is what it should be. Oh, and I love.
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  The I was so distracted by Janet Fielding there, because it
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  honestly looks like she's sitting on a washing machine
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  having an orgasm. Yeah, there's a reason for that.
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  I actually had fun in Amsterdam. As I say, we're not, we're not
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  going to talk about the rooms in Amsterdam, but I.
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  Think as well. I think if you are a younger
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  viewer watching this, I'm not even sure the things that are
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  brought up as objections would hold anyway.
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  It's just a monster. You know, it's the Doctor's home
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  planet. It's like you just take it all
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  on face value. I don't think you're much of a
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  critic. Oh my God, she's orgasming
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  again. She's going crazy.
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  And look, Peter Davis is like shying away, going Oh no, he's
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  not his, his groin, his thrusting in and out towards.
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  Without the dialogue and the sound, it is very unusual, isn't
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  it? Yeah, I'm saying, you know, and
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  that. All I though Goodbye.
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  Goodbye, Doctor. I mean, the voice sells it.
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  Yeah, well, frequently, Gabriel Wolf, it does, yeah.
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  And then we go to the. Doctor, we asked the question as
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  to why, during the Doctor's execution, Omega appeared.
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  Oh no, no, it's Omega. But this weird figure appeared
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  because basically kind of they know that there is this bonding
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  that's trying to take place. And so presumably it's, you
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  know, they just saw it as Omega Sport, whoever's last ditch
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  attempt to kind of grab the doctor's body before it was
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  disintegrated. And so they just decided that,
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  oh, it's gone, you know, it didn't work.
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  We saw it briefly. It's into the ether.
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  Yeah, sorry, very undramatic about, by the way.
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  Just opening that door there and come through the fact that Omega
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  virtually has question marks on his collar.
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  Oh, that's great. I will look at him taken.
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  Are they in the cafe? Oh no, no, no no.
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  This is heading is yet to be unveiled, isn't he?
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  I mean, we all know because of the voice and everything and as
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  you say, because he was the friendly one, That necklace,
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  that hairstyle. Does this mean there are jewelry
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  manufacturers on on Gallifrey? Does this mean there's money on
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  Gallifrey? Do people have jobs?
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  Thalia straight from the Gallifrey and Nest Cafe
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  commercials. You know, yeah.
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  It's all flowers. It's every cliche in that book
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  though, isn't it? Like every science fiction
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  cliche in the book, How they look, the sets, how they talk,
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  but it's only the science fiction cliche because it's been
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  done so many times since and kind of you know there there are
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  very few ancient civilizations in in science fiction the like
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  this and actually as we said. Look at the King's coronation.
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  Look at the opening of the Houses of Parliament.
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  Look at how bloody pretentious pricks they are, you know the,
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  you know, Black Rod walks backwards and then knocks on the
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  door with an Ebony rod or something three times before
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  delivering the dominoes, you know?
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  I know some people do, but I don't sit there and watch, you
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  know, Parliament. Debates as entertainment.
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  That's my problem with it. But this is what they're asking
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  me to do. But say The thing is, there are
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  some people who do. They're asking my mother.
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  They probably love Ark of Infinity, don't they?
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  I can't remember what she's. I vague for some reason.
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  I vague remember Ark of Infinity being on Roundabout the same
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  time as Song for Europe. I think she was more interested
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  in a Song for Europe than she was Arkham Infinity.
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  It definitely was because they reused the sets in Snake Dance,
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  don't they? So can I ask you then, do you
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  think it was a savvy move when Russy Davis pushed against all
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  of this? It certainly made Doctor Who
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  sort of populist. I think getting rid of Gallifrey
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  was a very wise idea. Bringing it back and then
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  destroying it again in his last story was dubious.
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  And I have so many questions about the nature of the Time
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  War, about the nature of what actually happened to Gallifrey,
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  for which there are massively contradictory answers throughout
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  all eras of New Who. And I think, I think kind of
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  this whole repetitious destroy, rebuild, destroy, rebuild,
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  destroy, rebuild the the the wilderness years and Phantom has
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  got an obsession with, has really kind of thrown too many
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  inconsistencies into everything. I mean, the big one for me is,
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  you know, I'd always understood it that when the Time War
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  occurred there was this massive rewriting of universal history.
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  Yet in Twice Upon a Time, the 12th Doctor nips back to 10th
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  planet. But if 10th planet took place,
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  then why don't people know what cyber men are, you know?
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  We're back to that same argument again of how you watch things
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  and how I watch things. I watch it as the piece of drama
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  I'm watching now. Whereas I think the norm with
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  the Doctor Who fan, that's how you watch it, which is how does
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  it fit into the puzzle. Yeah.
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  And I think the problem is, I mean we've been going, it's been
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  going 60 years. They I think you know the
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  concept the Big Finish tried the chidnel hinted at of another
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  universe all together would have been the perfect solution.
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  So basically I would have been really happy if the if Jody had
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  ended flux or whatever going to that mythical second universe so
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  that they could say right for the next 10 years there is no
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  continuity to the original series because this is a totally
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  different universe. The big thing is.
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  Tried it of course with the. Kind of boy with the chores and
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  stuff, but I'll save all my comments about that for when we
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  get to the For the Wedding of River Song, because that's going
• 23:44
  to. Yeah, or maybe You know what?
• 23:47
  I didn't realize you had so much big Finish experience.
• 23:50
  I might have to try and nap you on a Finish Big at some point,
• 23:54
  possibly when we get to the Divergent universe.
• 23:56
  I'm more than happy to because they kind of, I have very strong
• 24:00
  feelings about it. And I love hearing your very
• 24:04
  strong feelings. Oh, by the way, Conrad, if you
• 24:06
  do, since these, you're a lovely human being.
• 24:10
  Thank you. Oh, he's gorgeous, isn't he?
• 24:12
  Oh, he's absolutely gorgeous. You know, he's, but he's also a
• 24:16
  lovely person. Sorry to change the subject.
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  If you notice, we're doing Agatha Christie now, so the
• 24:23
  castle lands inviting everyone to and.
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  One of them's going to be the traitor.
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  I wonder what it's going to be again.
• 24:31
  That's who. This is appealing to me.
• 24:33
  You got to remember that in the 80s you've got the Joan Hicks
• 24:36
  and Miss Marples going on. They were huge.
• 24:39
  They were massive. They were really popular.
• 24:42
  I know, But even that angle of this is not particularly
• 24:45
  suspense, because we know the fucking.
• 24:48
  We know who it is. Yeah.
• 24:49
  The problem is, I say kind of they can't decide what they want
• 24:54
  the Gallifrey bits to be. And they they kind of, they get
• 25:00
  kind of little bits of all kinds of things.
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  The Gala Fray. Bits of this needed a second
• 25:05
  draft. Yeah, for sure.
• 25:07
  They could easily be salvaged. This whole sequence as well.
• 25:10
  Michael Goff is a renowned actor and he phones in this reveal
• 25:16
  like he lifts up the gun like he could barely be asked to hold up
• 25:20
  the prop. It's very, very odd.
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  Although I do love Nissa running around with a gun.
• 25:27
  She's shooting everyone right now, you know.
• 25:31
  Forget Ace coming back as the the war tournat.
• 25:34
  Let's have the war, Nissa. I don't know if you remember
• 25:36
  Johnny Bowen had a going around with that Ion bonder and the key
• 25:39
  keeper track and shooting everyone in that as well.
• 25:45
  In fact, I think if anyone was to write that.
• 25:48
  Nessa going after the master story.
• 25:50
  Johnny Byrne would have done a good job of it because I think
• 25:53
  he writes her quite responsibly when he gets the chance, you
• 25:56
  know he he understands what the character could be.
• 26:00
  Oh, the doctor seems so naive now.
• 26:02
  He thinks he's pointing at the president because he thinks the
• 26:04
  president is so terrible. But isn't that one of the key
• 26:09
  traits of Peter Davis and doctors, that he's naive, he's
• 26:11
  trusting, He's kind of he. He believes people, He sees the
• 26:17
  good in people. Is golf even trying?
• 26:22
  He's faced with the Peter Davidson Doctor and Sarah
• 26:27
  Sutton. I would be more scared of Sarah
• 26:30
  Sutton, who only dropped the gun when golf pointed the doctor
• 26:34
  pointed the gun at her boyfriend.
• 26:38
  They've been living together, according to Big Finish, for
• 26:41
  three or four years by this time.
• 26:47
  Oh, it's all going on now. And you know what?
• 26:49
  What we talked about the first two cliffhangers.
• 26:52
  This is the worst kind of cliffhanger, I think.
• 26:54
  So it ends on a line. What is it?
• 26:56
  Only get controls the matrix. What does that even mean?
• 27:00
  We don't even know what that means.
• 27:03
  There's no context to the line. The trouble is, we know what it
• 27:07
  means if we've watched The Deadly Assassin and the Invasion
• 27:11
  of Time. That for granted, Can you?
• 27:14
  Yeah, that's the problem. It's a it's a cliffhanger that
• 27:19
  appeases fandom, Yeah, but again, the cliffhanger is also,
• 27:24
  it's not just he's got the Matrix that it's Omega, you
• 27:27
  know? I know Omega isn't the actual
• 27:29
  cliffhanger. But maybe should have been,
• 27:32
  should have been, yeah. Or the hidden reveal?
• 27:36
  Or just something more dramatic than a very obscure line.
• 27:42
  And it's interesting that the Doctor tries to explain why the
• 27:45
  cliffhanger is really important, but he's spoken over.
• 27:49
  Oh, here comes the castle ads, allowing things up a bit.
• 27:52
  You're under arrest, Mr. President.
• 27:56
  I think Jericho is great. Yeah.
• 27:58
  Oh. No, Michael Goss just been shot.
• 28:05
  Oh, I see. He tried to protect the doctor
• 28:08
  there. Is that right?
• 28:09
  Yes, basically he threw himself in front of the doctor.
• 28:13
  Yeah. And As for the acting, is it
• 28:15
  Leonard Sachs playing the president?
• 28:20
  Yeah, but there's that moment of silence.
• 28:24
  There's that calm, instant of calm before the storm.
• 28:30
  And they do love these sort of outlines, don't they?
• 28:33
  You know it'll be the end of me as a Time Lord, and again,
• 28:39
  doesn't ward and undead take on a whole new resonance when you
• 28:42
  factor in the Timeless Children? Yeah, because he could have
• 28:47
  saved all of those people. There could have been millions
• 28:50
  of those mutants, yeah. In fact, the more you think
• 28:55
  about the childish children stuff and you apply it to
• 28:57
  Classic Who, it does add a dimension to a lot of things.
• 29:03
  Well, that was an absolutely riveting end to Episode 3.
• 29:09
  I mean, let's face, you know, we've got the fact that kind of
• 29:12
  Tegan is now being brought more into the action.
• 29:15
  I I do applaud them keeping Tegan separate until Episode 4,
• 29:19
  though. Yeah, and then when she turns
• 29:22
  up, she just does a bit of dashing around, doesn't she?
• 29:26
  Oh, those secret. I can't wait to talk about that.
• 29:28
  When, you know the woman does her shopping, which goes all
• 29:30
  over the floor, every every weird sort of person getting in
• 29:35
  the way is a very strange sequence, right?
• 29:42
  It is. I mean, say the green lighting
• 29:44
  in the TARDIS is just bizarre choice there.
• 29:49
  There are a lot of kind of Omega decisions that I don't fully
• 29:53
  understand. I know they couldn't bring him
• 29:56
  back in the original costume because it would have been too
• 29:58
  much of A giveaway how he got this.
• 30:03
  Again, there's this whole back story that kind of is missing
• 30:07
  about kind of how did Heading get involved?
• 30:12
  How did Omega actually said, how did Omega build the ergum?
• 30:15
  How did Omega get that TARDIS that was kind of vaguely
• 30:17
  functional. Was there another, Was there
• 30:19
  another UNIT HQ or something that kind of went through a
• 30:22
  black hole and Omega cobbled together all these bits, You
• 30:26
  know, the same way that the Doctor did in The Doctor's Wife?
• 30:29
  You know what you need, don't you?
• 30:30
  Terrance Dicks. He would have covered it all
• 30:31
  with a line. Well now you remember in like
• 30:33
  the deadness hasn't. I know Terrance has got nothing
• 30:35
  to do with that, but you get that line about Goff met the
• 30:40
  Master on Terror. It's a very quick line, but it's
• 30:43
  sort of tells you what you need to know.
• 30:44
  Fills in enough because you then there.
• 30:46
  Oh the masters. Hypnosis.
• 30:48
  The master, Yeah, it fills in, yeah.
• 30:51
  The. The.
• 30:52
  Oh, make a back story in The Three Doctors is very
• 30:54
  economically done. It is just a handful of lines,
• 30:57
  but it it kind of builds them up as this big mythic character in
• 31:00
  Time Lord history. So it's, you know, there's
• 31:05
  there's a lot that could that could improve the Arc of
• 31:08
  Infinity, but I'm still terribly nostalgic for it.
• 31:12
  And and I get that. And I don't think anybody can
• 31:15
  contradict that when somebody watched this as a child and
• 31:18
  enjoyed it so much. What argument can you possibly
• 31:22
  make? And I think actually aspects of
• 31:24
  it still hold up. And I said come, you know, the
• 31:29
  more I think about Gallifrey, the more I think I'm like yeah,
• 31:33
  that should have been left in the 80s totally because we've
• 31:36
  seen too much of the the veneer peeled away and it's become a
• 31:41
  more realistic place. You know it's gone from three
• 31:45
  figures on an elevated platform to weird room with circular
• 31:50
  motifs to dark and gothic to. But again, it's very much it's
• 31:56
  kind of like Gallifrey represents Earth of the era of
• 32:01
  the show that. Definitely, yeah, definitely.
• 32:06
  That cafe existed in the 1980s. If Doctor had been around in the
• 32:11
  90s, when it was kind of all, you know, the era of virtual
• 32:17
  reality, Galafay would have existed purely within the Matrix
• 32:21
  and it would have been terrible basic CGI graphics.
• 32:24
  And you know, and it's just, yeah.
• 32:27
  Well, James, we've got Episode 4 to cover.
• 32:30
  I've got a big question to ask you at the beginning of Episode
• 32:33
  4 of something we haven't covered at all.
• 32:37
  But it's enormously important to this story and this era.
• 32:43
  I'll say that as a little taste of what's to come.
• 32:46
  So are we going to win? End there with with me being
• 32:48
  taunted for once? Yes.
• 32:51
  Ohh. God no.