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The Kenny Report | 10 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me on the Kenny Report tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The most senior female staffer in Parliament House claim she's
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  Speaker 2: being bullied out of the Acting Prime Minister's office. What
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  Speaker 2: happened to Labour's promise of a better culture in politics.
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  Speaker 1: And Parliament House.
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  Speaker 2: I'll show you the extraordinary double standards from police when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to anti Israel protesters and people supporting Jewish
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  Speaker 2: Australians and the Aussies risking their lives in search of
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  Speaker 2: a crocodile sighting.
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  Speaker 3: So I had his head bitten off by a crocodile
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  Speaker 3: in front of his son and heapoterists and that's the
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  Speaker 3: sort of thing that we're hoping never happens again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that full story coming up, plus Tim Blair and
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  Speaker 2: Mark Nicholson, Alexander Downer on Labour's Middle East muddle and
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  Speaker 2: plenty more.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Today should have been a big day for Deputy Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister and Defense Minister Richard Miles. The Prime Minister is overseas,
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  Speaker 2: so Males is acting Prime Minister with Parliament sitting, but
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  Speaker 2: while he was in charge in one part of the building,
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  Speaker 2: in another wing, his chief of staff was unleashing bombshell claims.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Tanorski says she loved her job, Males was praising
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  Speaker 2: her efforts and all was going well until earlier this year.
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  Speaker 4: During the flight home from an official trip to Ukraine
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  Speaker 4: in late April, I raised concerns privately with the Deputy
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister about some bullying behavior within the office. He
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  Speaker 4: acknowledged the concerns, restated the value he placed in me
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  Speaker 4: in my work, and said we should have a chat
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  Speaker 4: about it. However, when we returned to Australia, he called
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  Speaker 4: me and in direct response to the concerns I had raised,
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  Speaker 4: he made it clear that I.
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  Speaker 5: Should start looking for alternative employment.
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  Speaker 4: Any of my attempts to resolve the issue or to
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  Speaker 4: discuss it in person were refused.
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  Speaker 2: Things only got worse from there, and this chief of staff,
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  Speaker 2: still employed as Miles's chief of staff, blames the man
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  Speaker 2: who right now is acting Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 4: He said, trust me, I know how to handle this.
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  Speaker 4: But when I tried to return to work in June,
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  Speaker 4: it was left to the Prime Minister's chief of staff
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  Speaker 4: to inform me that I could never return to my
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  Speaker 4: role or to the Deputy Prime Minister's office.
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  Speaker 2: Now, none of us knows the details of this matter
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  Speaker 2: or exactly what went on, but taxpayers are paying someone
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  Speaker 2: for not actually doing their job. And more concerning, there's
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  Speaker 2: the hypocrisy of Labor. It's thrown mud for years attacking
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition about its so called women problem and the
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  Speaker 2: culture in Parliament House, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's been promising to do a lot better.
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  Speaker 6: The how is important, serious about the how we need
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  Speaker 6: to change the way that politics operates in this country.
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  Speaker 6: We need to be more inclusive, We need to be
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  Speaker 6: prepared to reach out, We need to be prepared to engage.
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  Speaker 6: What we can control is ourselves. We can control the
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  Speaker 6: way that we handle ourselves, the way that we conduct
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  Speaker 6: ourselves as a government.
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  Speaker 4: I know it won't be long now before I am
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  Speaker 4: bullied out of this place completely. The events of the
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  Speaker 4: last five months have been devastating. Cut from my job
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  Speaker 4: and ostracized without warning. People have been unaware of my
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  Speaker 4: real situation. I have been plagued with nightmares, flashbacks, symptoms
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  Speaker 4: of depression and anxiety, panic attacks, and suicidal thoughts. I
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  Speaker 4: had none of these symptoms before May twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Tanorski is still employed as the Deputy Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister and Defense Minister's chief of staff, but she's not
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  Speaker 2: allowed into the office. Unsurprisingly, the Opposition raised the issue
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  Speaker 2: in Parliament today.
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  Speaker 7: What I can say is that it is evident now
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  Speaker 7: on the record that we have been I've been working
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  Speaker 7: with the Prime Minister's office for months in respect of
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  Speaker 7: this matter, and the Prime Minister has been made aware
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  Speaker 7: of this.
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  Speaker 5: What I want is for people to know the truth
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  Speaker 5: and for Richard.
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  Speaker 4: Miles as well as those who have enabled his behavior,
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  Speaker 4: to be held accountable for what has happened. I am
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  Speaker 4: being bullied out of a job I loved that I
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  Speaker 4: was doing well. It was a job that I dreamed
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  Speaker 4: of having since I first visited Parliament House as a child.
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  Speaker 5: Now I am the.
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  Speaker 4: Most senius female chief of staff on the hill and
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  Speaker 4: my workplace is not safe.
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  Speaker 2: There are lawyers involved now, and there's politics, of course,
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  Speaker 2: internal labor politics, office politics and partisan politics.
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  Speaker 1: But labor is exposed here for.
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  Speaker 2: Its double standards and its mismanagement. Now, I've been a
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  Speaker 2: chief of staff in that building for a foreign minister
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  Speaker 2: and foreign opposition leader, and difficult staffing issues often arise.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to resolve them and you've got to ensure
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  Speaker 2: that taxpayers are getting value for money. And I can
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  Speaker 2: tell you the culture of a political office and its performance, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's all driven from the top. The politician leads the office,
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  Speaker 2: they get the culture, they demand.
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  Speaker 1: This is a critical office.
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  Speaker 2: The Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Miles needs to
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  Speaker 2: sort this out pronto. As it stands, it's another cluster
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  Speaker 2: mess in a government that's completely rudderless. We all know
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  Speaker 2: the reality of leftist activism in business. Go woke, go broke.
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  Speaker 2: What's the equivalent, I wonder for judicial activism? Go woke,
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  Speaker 2: lose hope, go, don't cope. You've got to check out
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  Speaker 2: the latest training advice for our judges. It's come to
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  Speaker 2: light courtesy of Ellie Dudley in the Australian newspaper. An
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  Speaker 2: astonishing story about this manual on therapeutic jurisprudence. It's not
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  Speaker 2: a mandatory guide, but it's endorsed by legal bodies, so
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  Speaker 2: let me share with you some of its wisdom. This
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  Speaker 2: report aims to help judges deal with vicarious trauma as
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  Speaker 2: they dispense justice. It says they should understand the problem
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  Speaker 2: behind any crime, which could include forces acting upon the
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  Speaker 2: individual generated by society, such as access to education, finances, prejudice, housing,
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  Speaker 2: experiences of racism or exclusion. Oka You and I might
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  Speaker 2: focus on the crime, but judges apparently have to consider
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  Speaker 2: where the problem came from. The report also looks at
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  Speaker 2: specific ethnic groups, talks about Islamic cultures and potential sensitivities
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  Speaker 2: and sources of strength. It says Muslims will have a
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  Speaker 2: fear of personal persecution linked to local news events, terrorist attacks,
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  Speaker 2: and world events, and it says Muslims can feel personal
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  Speaker 2: responsibility to react to world events to support others of
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  Speaker 2: the same faith in the context of interference from Western
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  Speaker 2: governments in Muslim countries with often devastating impacts, talk about
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  Speaker 2: fueling the victim mentality. There's a lot on Asian culture too,
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  Speaker 2: again focusing on sensitivities and strengths. It says respect for
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  Speaker 2: elders is fundamental, a fundamental aspect of many Asian cultures,
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  Speaker 2: well hopefully all cultures, so it recommends showing deference and
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  Speaker 2: politeness towards older individuals and using appropriate titles and gestures
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  Speaker 2: of respect. It also points out that avoiding embarrassment or
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  Speaker 2: loss of face is crucial in Asian cultures and that
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  Speaker 2: Asian cultures value collective well being over individual's success. Now
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  Speaker 2: just how these generalizations are to be applied is the question,
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  Speaker 2: But it sounds like our judges are being urged to
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  Speaker 2: bend justice in the face of cultural differences. On Indigenous Australians,
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  Speaker 2: the report says many First Nations communities are still dealing
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  Speaker 2: with the pervasive intergenerational effects of settler colonialism, as well
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  Speaker 2: as the impact of successive generations of externally imposed government
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  Speaker 2: policies and discrimination, including marginalization, exploitation, and the forced removal
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  Speaker 2: of children.
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  Speaker 1: Look, this sounds an awful lot.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's trying to make excuses for crime, trying to
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  Speaker 2: turn alleged perpetrators into victims. And I would have thought
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  Speaker 2: there was already enough of that around. Our judges hardly
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  Speaker 2: need a lesson in that approach. This is woke law
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  Speaker 2: enforcement on steroids, and it shows the deepness of the
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  Speaker 2: rot in our nanny state world. The report even gives
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  Speaker 2: judges advice on how to look after themselves. It recommends
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  Speaker 2: regular exercise or physical activity that you enjoy and it
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  Speaker 2: might be high intensity or low intensity, and it says
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  Speaker 2: that judges should make sure they.
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  Speaker 1: Get enough sleep.
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  Speaker 2: Look, if our judges need that level of personal advice,
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  Speaker 2: then our problems in the justice system are even worse
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  Speaker 2: than we thought. It's times someone just advised our judges
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  Speaker 2: to accurately interpret our laws and impose justice accordingly. But that,
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  Speaker 2: of course is horribly old fashioned. Now to the incredible
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  Speaker 2: double standard we're seeing with policing when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: protests over the Middle East. You will remember that last
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  Speaker 2: night a year ago was when we saw the horrible
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  Speaker 2: protest on the step of the Opera House that intimidated
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Australians, shamed the nation, and set the tone for an.
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  Speaker 1: Ugly and divisive year.
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  Speaker 2: On that night, two days after the slaughter in Israel,
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  Speaker 2: and before Israel had even retaliated, this anti Israel protest
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  Speaker 2: began at the Sydney Town Hall, where it was authorized,
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  Speaker 2: But then the protesters marched through the city streets unimpeded
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  Speaker 2: by police, heading to the Opera House, where the sales
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  Speaker 2: were to be lit up in an active national mourning
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  Speaker 2: for the people of Israel. Police did nothing to stop
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  Speaker 2: the protesters, even though there are bye laws against protests
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  Speaker 2: at the Opera House. Instead, police warned Jewish Australians and
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  Speaker 2: supporters of Israel to stay away. They arrested one man
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  Speaker 2: for trying to fly an Israeli flag and we.
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  Speaker 1: Got this just shameful. There were no arrests then and
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  Speaker 1: none over it since.
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  Speaker 2: So last night a Christian group of Israel supporters organized
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  Speaker 2: a gathering at Circular Key to demonstrate solidarity with Jewish Australians.
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  Speaker 1: One year on. It's a national hugger Juday and see
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  Speaker 1: just like this, this is it.
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  Speaker 8: I'm amusra HII.
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  Speaker 2: Now the group had approval for that gathering at Circular Key,
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  Speaker 2: but they were warned away from the Opera House.
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  Speaker 9: There has been some chatter about going on to the
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  Speaker 9: Opera House after this, and the police have informed me fairly,
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  Speaker 9: entirely reasonably that there are bye laws that prevent any
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  Speaker 9: protest happening in the Opera House and and and if
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  Speaker 9: anyone goes there with flags or banners, they will have
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  Speaker 9: to enforce the by laws and they really don't want
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  Speaker 9: to do that.
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  Speaker 2: The speaker there is Mark Leach, one of the men
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  Speaker 2: who tried to fly an Israeli flag a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: Sure enough, police last night enforced the ban there they were.
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  Speaker 1: They enforced the ban on protests at the Opera House.
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  Speaker 2: They used the same bye law they could have used
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  Speaker 2: last year against the ugly anti Israel protest, but chose
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  Speaker 2: not to. Something very bad is going down in this
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  Speaker 2: country when it comes to these issues.
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  Speaker 1: Police are picking.
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  Speaker 2: And choosing when the law will be imposed and who
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  Speaker 2: will be imposed on. There should be one law and
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  Speaker 2: it should apply to all. Let's go now to Mark Leech,
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  Speaker 2: whose the CEO of Never Again is now a joints
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  Speaker 2: me now from Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: Good to speak to you. Mark.
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  Speaker 2: That must have really shocked you last night that the
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  Speaker 2: police who allowed mayhem and threats and intimidation a year
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  Speaker 2: ago stopped your group from going to the Opera House.
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  Speaker 9: Well, Chris, thank you for having me on. And it's
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  Speaker 9: not just that they stopped our group because we were
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  Speaker 9: very clear we weren't going to conduct a protest at
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  Speaker 9: the Opera House. Simply a number of Jewish people who
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  Speaker 9: are still deeply, deeply affected by the events of both
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  Speaker 9: October seven and the surging anti Semitism of which October
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  Speaker 9: the ninth was just a foretaste in this country. Groups
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  Speaker 9: of them wanted to walk as private citizens to the
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  Speaker 9: Opera House, take some photos, have a moment of reflection
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  Speaker 9: and they were turned away I think because the police
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  Speaker 9: have learned their lesson of last year and were absolutely
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  Speaker 9: terrified that the situation might get out of control. Little
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  Speaker 9: did they know that this was a well actually they
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  Speaker 9: did know. This was a group of Christians and Jews.
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  Speaker 9: We'd finished the formal event, mostly older folk who just
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  Speaker 9: wanted a private moment to grieve and to stand in
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  Speaker 9: this iconic place in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've got to say that as an Australian, I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of us would have been pleased to
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  Speaker 2: have seen pictures of people there happily peacefully.
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  Speaker 1: Flying the Israeli flag. A year on from that ugly.
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  Speaker 2: Intimidatory protest last year would have been like Australians reclaiming
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  Speaker 2: the Opera House for peace and humanity.
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  Speaker 9: Well, yes, I agree with you entirely. That said, there
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  Speaker 9: are by laws and what we want is the police
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  Speaker 9: to enforce the law without fear or favor. So what
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  Speaker 9: I said to the group last night was we will
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  Speaker 9: do the right thing. We won't attempt to cause a
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  Speaker 9: confrontation with police because as upset as we all are,
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  Speaker 9: as upset as the vast majority of Australians are that
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  Speaker 9: our city streets week in and week out with people
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  Speaker 9: supporting prescribed terror groups, waving the flags of Hezbollah, chanting
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  Speaker 9: genocidal chants, intimidating the Jews and the Christians and peace
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  Speaker 9: loving Australians. As upset as we are about that, that
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  Speaker 9: doesn't give us the right to break the law.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're right, you did the right thing, and good
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  Speaker 2: on you. But to tell you what's exposed to the
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  Speaker 2: rest of us in this country, something we didn't know,
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  Speaker 2: and that is that there is a by law against
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  Speaker 2: protests on the Opera House. So therefore the police had
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  Speaker 2: the authorities stopped that ugly protest last year and chose
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  Speaker 2: not to.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yes, that's actually still the big story.
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  Speaker 9: I was at the start of that protest when it
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  Speaker 9: was outside the town Hall. I waived an Israeli flag
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  Speaker 9: there and was chased out of the square. But before
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  Speaker 9: that happened, I listened to the officer in charge on
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  Speaker 9: the day negotiating with the leader of the protest movement
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  Speaker 9: about how they were going to move down.
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  Speaker 1: To the Opera House.
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  Speaker 9: I think what last night did was rub salt in
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  Speaker 9: the wound of the massive stuff up that happened a
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  Speaker 9: year ago, and what the Jewish community needs is to
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  Speaker 9: know that they are safe, they are protected, they are
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  Speaker 9: valued and they are treated equally as any other Australian is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said Mark, and good on you. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: joining us, Mark Leach.
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  Speaker 2: Their heads up never again is now a Christian group
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  Speaker 2: supporting Jewish Australians and supporters of Israel. Now the anti
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  Speaker 2: Israel protests are continuing on our university campuses. In a
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  Speaker 2: disgusting display, protesters at the University of Milverne have confronted
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  Speaker 2: a Jewish and physics professor.
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  Speaker 1: Just have a look at this.
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  Speaker 8: I have a few questions because you're talking about space
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  Speaker 8: the Israeli occupation forces.
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  Speaker 5: Have you been occupying.
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  Speaker 8: Palestinian land for over seventy five years and now in
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  Speaker 8: the last latest iteration of that, we've seen a genocide
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  Speaker 8: or onslaugh on Gaza and now Lebanon and in the
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  Speaker 8: West Vegas. Well, and now you're walking away, actually when
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  Speaker 8: I'm asking some serious questions about your behavior and your
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  Speaker 8: relationship to the creativisity and for Russalem.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Professor Stephen Proor has been targeted for weeks, with protesters
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  Speaker 2: taking over years office for a sit in. Let me
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  Speaker 2: bring in Shadow Education Minister Sarah Henderson. Thanks for joining
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  Speaker 2: us again, Sarah, how can this be allowed to occur
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  Speaker 2: on our university? A professor effectively hound it intimidated in
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  Speaker 2: the workplace.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Chris, good afternoon, and I have to say it's
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  Speaker 10: absolutely appalling and to be targeted in the way that
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  Speaker 10: Professor Prow was is a disgrace. I do commend the
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  Speaker 10: University of Melbourne for calling the police because the police
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  Speaker 10: arrived and immediately ensured those protesters and we don't know
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  Speaker 10: whether they were students and stuff. That's still being ascertained
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  Speaker 10: that they were removed. But this is absolutely disgusting and
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  Speaker 10: it's in stark contrast to the gross mismanagement of anti
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  Speaker 10: Semitic incidents on university campuses over many months, when of
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  Speaker 10: course vice chancellors did basically nothing, whether it was the
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  Speaker 10: protest encampments, whether it was the occupation of buildings or
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  Speaker 10: other shocking incidents. So it is appalling, but it does
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  Speaker 10: build the case that we've been pushing for, Chris, which
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  Speaker 10: is a judicial inquiry into anti Semitism at campuses. It
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  Speaker 10: must happen, and the Prime Minister, rather than speak from
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  Speaker 10: both sides of his mouth has got to get on
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  Speaker 10: board and back this judicial inquiry.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there were a couple of arrests at the University
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  Speaker 2: of Western Sydney yesterday at the anti Israel protest.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look. Cleave my students alone.
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  Speaker 11: Cleave my students alone, Leave my students alone, Leave my
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  Speaker 11: students alone.
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  Speaker 5: Please leave my Pleame my students alone.
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  Speaker 1: Why you can leave life?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so two students charged over that one, Sarah. But
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  Speaker 2: as you say, you want that judicial inquiry into what's
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  Speaker 2: going on at universities when it comes to this anti semitism.
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  Speaker 2: I want to bring the debate back to Parliament. And
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  Speaker 2: we've heard a lot from labor over many years about
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  Speaker 2: a women problem on the coalition side of politics, about
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  Speaker 2: a cultural problem in Parliament, and then today we get
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  Speaker 2: the serving chief of staff of the acting Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: saying she's being bullied out of their office.
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  Speaker 1: He's a little more from Joe Tanorski.
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  Speaker 4: Ultimately, it was my daughter who convinced me to come
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  Speaker 4: forward when I was in a completely broken state a
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  Speaker 4: few weeks ago. She said, Mum, maybe if you told
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  Speaker 4: people the truth, maybe someone would help you.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Henderson, what's going on here? What needs to happen.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Chris Ovis, everyone deserves to be in a workplace
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  Speaker 10: which is safe and free from ruling and harassment. But
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  Speaker 10: I think the bottom line is that these are matters
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  Speaker 10: for mister males and we won't be commenting on individual
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  Speaker 10: staff matters. There are appropriate mechanisms now in place in
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  Speaker 10: the Parliament to deal with this. But as I say,
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  Speaker 10: these are matters for mister males.
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  Speaker 2: But isn't there a real issue of hypocrisy here from
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  Speaker 2: Labor when they've been attacking the coalition for so long
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  Speaker 2: and promising to do better themselves. Is Anthony Alberici from
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  Speaker 2: a few years back.
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  Speaker 6: I think we can all be kinder to each other, frankly,
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  Speaker 6: both within the Parliament, within our own parties and across
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  Speaker 6: the aisle. And I'll lead a government that will champion
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  Speaker 6: the rights of women.
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  Speaker 2: Well there's Anthony Albernzi that the evidence is that not
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  Speaker 2: everything is sweet and kind of gentle under a Labor administration.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Chris, as I say, have much improved mechanisms in
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  Speaker 10: place to support staff under these circumstances. But as I say,
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  Speaker 10: these are matters for mister miles, and we don't think
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: it's appropriate to be commenting any further.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I admire your restraint and it's only fair, but
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: labor was never as sensible and never showed the same
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: sort of restraint when there have been issues on the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: coalition side. Thanks so much for joining us, Sarah, I
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: appreciate it, Senator Sarah Henderson, their liberal senator for the
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: state of Victoria.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Going to go to a break on the other side,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: going to catch up with.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson talk about Victorian police cracking
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: down on rampant knife crime.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Also this plan to.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Give a fair hearing to judges being considered as a
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: defendant's trauma. Every Thursday we sort out the problems of
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: the world with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph on
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Good to catch up with you, gentlemen.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Let's start on something deadly serious, and that is knife crime.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: It's rampant around the country.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: But in Victoria, Mark, the police are really cracking down
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: on the reports that they're actually seizing forty knives a day.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: The forty people off and young people out there wandering
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: around with knives each day.
• 22:14
  Speaker 12: Yeah, mate, it's absolutely terrifying. In this article they show
• 22:18
  Speaker 12: pictures of these knives. They're called zombie knives. They're enormous.
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: They're like this big. They've got a little hole in
• 22:23
  Speaker 12: there so they can be pulled out easily. They're serrated.
• 22:26
  Speaker 12: They just go in and out. It's super easy. I'm terrified.
• 22:29
  Speaker 12: I thought that this youth crime crisis, I was going
• 22:31
  Speaker 12: to have to go around giving these kids a bit
• 22:33
  Speaker 12: of a peace. In my mind, I was going to
• 22:34
  Speaker 12: take it into my own hands.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Not anymore.
• 22:37
  Speaker 12: I'm going nowhere near these kids. I'm not saying a
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: single thing.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I'm terrified of that. Now look at them.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: It's just a horrifying tim to think that people were
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: a night out or wandering around that they have one
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: of those in their jacket.
• 22:49
  Speaker 13: A couple of years ago, I was actually present at
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: one of these knife crime incidents. So I was enjoying
• 22:53
  Speaker 13: a late night cigarette outside my Carlton hotel and angry
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: fellow wandered up. It was about two am. I think
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: was pretty and he'd been into dispute earlier in the night,
• 23:04
  Speaker 13: a few minutes earlier, and he reached into his pets. Gentlemen,
• 23:08
  Speaker 13: and you know, you think, never know you're luck at
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: the Big city, pulled out a machete and began leaving
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: it around and a few minutes later a crowd developed
• 23:17
  Speaker 13: was you know, I guess it's just Melbourne's version of
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: the street theater and he was taken away and his
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: knife confiscated.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: It's just terrible.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: In the Northern Territory they're looking to bring in tougher
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: knife laws. Other states have done this, They've done it
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: then Coins done as well. The Northern Territory. They're calling
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: them Declan's Law because of young Declan who was stabbed
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: at work and have a listen to his mum. His
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: mum actually took a call from him after he'd been stabbed.
• 23:42
  Speaker 14: He died a very agonizing and terror filled death and
• 23:48
  Speaker 14: you can hear that in the triple zero call. You
• 23:50
  Speaker 14: can hear his final terrified scream of agony. You can
• 23:54
  Speaker 14: tell he knew he was going to die.
• 23:56
  Speaker 15: The one thing I wanted to come out of this
• 23:58
  Speaker 15: was to make the bail laws stronger so that a
• 24:01
  Speaker 15: serious violent offender isn't allowed out to just go and
• 24:07
  Speaker 15: commit further crimes that could potentially affect a family the
• 24:10
  Speaker 15: way ours has been affected.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Just incredible. And Samaria Lavity, they're so brave coming out
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: to do that. Nothing can bring back her son, but
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: they share their pain to try and stop this happening
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to more people.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, all powers of the cops.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: To get as much of this stuff off the streets
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: as possible.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Mate.
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and I'm hearing that these kids are getting them
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: from toy shops and other places like that. There's no
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: place for these sort of weapons anywhere. And if you're
• 24:37
  Speaker 12: selling these things, you should be throwing the book so hard,
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: just as much as the primary offender. Yes, there's just
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: no place for him. Some of these knives, I've got
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: the range of a twenty two. I swear to god.
• 24:48
  Speaker 12: They're so big, like they're dangerous within the same level.
• 24:51
  Speaker 12: They're so big it makes no sense. There's no other
• 24:54
  Speaker 12: use for them. People who are called selling these things
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: should absolutely have the book thrown at them. Yeah.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Police should be able to have metal detectors when and
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: where they want, if they want to wave them around people.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Let's go to social media and a couple of premiers
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: getting together today to fight back against social media and
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: try and ban kids from social media. So how better
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: would you publicize your war against social media then posting
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: it on Instagram?
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: We're well or ware.
• 25:23
  Speaker 16: We're doing this on a phone and it will be
• 25:25
  Speaker 16: broadcast on social media, and we're not trying to be
• 25:27
  Speaker 16: loved to take astray back to the nineties. But if
• 25:29
  Speaker 16: we can make a small difference to help young people,
• 25:32
  Speaker 16: particularly young people live their lives as kids, it will
• 25:36
  Speaker 16: be well worth it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just hoping no one under sixteen saw that.
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: Why don't they just hire people arounder sixteen. They know
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: how to hack this stuff better than anyone they're doing
• 25:46
  Speaker 13: to get inside out. We saw it during the pandemic lockdowns.
• 25:50
  Speaker 13: My favorite story out of that was a ten year
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: old who rigged up the home computer. She was meant
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: to be at school, but you just rigged up a
• 25:57
  Speaker 13: rolling video of herself just staring at the camera going yes,
• 26:02
  Speaker 13: teach for a whole week.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: So you've given me an idea.
• 26:10
  Speaker 13: Because you've been doing the show like that for decades.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: To do I wonder if we replay this show on Monday,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: anyone I'll notice on my moment I'm actually at the beach.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is a cracking story for a Melbourne night Mark.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Of course, you're the great race in Melbourne, the Melbourne Cup.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: But we all love, we all stop for the Melbourne Cup.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: But it's not just a Melbourne thing. But the Victorian
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: MP Danteen has spotted the fact that, as it's currently scheduled,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Parliament is supposed to be having question time while the Melbourne.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Cup's on, and he's pushing for change. Here's Danteen.
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: We've got to bring Liberal Party and the Labor Party
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: together to make sure the Prime Minister moves question time
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: on the first November of Tuesday. Could you imagine at
• 27:01
  Speaker 11: three three I have to get up and ask the
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: Prime Minister a question that goes along these lines. Prime
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: Minister who has won the Melbourne Car.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: The first Tuesday of November.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I think you meant Mark, but I'm typically might see
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: some by parsonship here.
• 27:21
  Speaker 12: Mate, it is Dan teens one hundred percent right now.
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: I didn't think that sentence was going to come out
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: of my mouth. Many times I reckon it is un Australian.
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: I think what he should do is wheel a little
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: television out in question time and have everyone watch the race.
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: That's Australian. But as you said, as in Melbourneite, I'm
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: seeing it more and more as well. It's like that
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: there is so much hatred for not just the cut,
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: but horse racing in general. I actually think this will
• 27:47
  Speaker 12: put this is a big issue. I think this is
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: actually very important issue. This will put Albow on a
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: very tricky spot because the Lefties hate horse racing and
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: he just wants to constantly pitch to them. I think
• 27:56
  Speaker 12: this is actually this is a really clever move from
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: Tea in here, which again is another sentence I never
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: thought I'd say.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: It reminds me tim of a really Australian story too.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Back when I was working for the.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Foreign Minister, there was a long National Security Committee meeting
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: of Cabinet in Canberra over some pretty serious issues that
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: were happening around the world, but also the Adelaide Test
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: was being played there at the time, and every now
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: and then a staffer from the Prime Minister's office would
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: come on and drop some extra notes to John Howard,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: and John Howard would advise the National Security Committee of
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Cabinet that warning had got another wicket.
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: E priorities, Christ you've got that priorities. I just say,
• 28:36
  Speaker 13: just the whole question time as usual and give them
• 28:39
  Speaker 13: some incentive to hurry through it. No, Dorothy Dixon's no
• 28:41
  Speaker 13: theatrical you know, opposing no no longer speech to just
• 28:45
  Speaker 13: ask a question, get it out of the way.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Now I want to go to US politics because interestingly enough,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Melbourne Cup day will be the day of the American election.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I'm one of them that postponed the American election. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I fro could watch the Melbourne Cup. Anything's possible.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But I want to show with you and the view
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: is the lightest woods of wisdom from Kamala Harris. Now
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you got to say every word, this is Kamala Harris.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: It's being interviewed on by Steve Colbert.
• 29:16
  Speaker 17: What would the major changes be and what would stay
• 29:19
  Speaker 17: the same?
• 29:20
  Speaker 18: Sure, well, I mean I'm obviously not Joe Biden, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 18: so that would be one change in terms of But
• 29:28
  Speaker 18: also I think it's important to say with you know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 18: twenty eight days ago, I'm not Donald Trump, and so
• 29:36
  Speaker 18: when we think about the significance of what this next
• 29:40
  Speaker 18: generation of leadership looks like were I to be elected president,
• 29:43
  Speaker 18: it is about Frankly, I love the American people and
• 29:49
  Speaker 18: I believe in our country. I love that it is
• 29:54
  Speaker 18: our character and nature to be an ambitious people.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Tim Blair, give me your thoughts on that.
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: It's very inspiring Chris to me because now we've got
• 30:08
  Speaker 13: a universal get out. And Mark take notes as well,
• 30:11
  Speaker 13: because every so often, when you're doing a live TV
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: cross or even presenting a live television program, you might
• 30:16
  Speaker 13: zone out a little bit and maybe lose your way
• 30:18
  Speaker 13: and get confused. Well, all you've got to say is
• 30:21
  Speaker 13: I love the Australian people. They're inspiring, they know what
• 30:25
  Speaker 13: to do, and apparently that's considered an answer. The weird
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: thing about this whole scenario is about that impossibly stupid
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: ads to do a very obvious You know, she could
• 30:34
  Speaker 13: have predicted the question, and the reason she could have
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: predicted it she was asked on another show earlier that
• 30:39
  Speaker 13: day and the same question.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: But sadly that is all she's got going for is
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: she's not Joe Biden and she's not Donald Trump. She
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem to offer anything else.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Just before I get.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Marker, I want to show you the very
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: reassuring words that President Joe Biden has sent to the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: people of Florida as the hurricane bears down on them.
• 31:03
  Speaker 19: No one should make the American people question whether their
• 31:06
  Speaker 19: governments will be making sure that this is acting un
• 31:09
  Speaker 19: straight they'll be there.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: We will, all of us. God knows what he was
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: trying to say there. But it's a good thing that
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is not him.
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: Exactly, bring him back, I say, Chris, bring him back.
• 31:26
  Speaker 12: He actually made more sense, to be honest. I thought
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: Kamala Harris was going to start going on down that
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: path of I was raised in a middle class family.
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: I thought that's she and she went down to some other
• 31:36
  Speaker 12: path of nonsense. But what a crazy place we're at
• 31:38
  Speaker 12: where it political rhetoric is well, I'm not Joe Biden,
• 31:41
  Speaker 12: and the audience cheers, and then she says, you're not Trump.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Bizarre. It's a search, it's so entertaining.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not Mark Nicholson, studio audience cheering, I'm not
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Jim Black. Thanks so much for joining us, guys, we'll
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: catch you next week.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: American politics.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: It makes our shambles look almost sensible, doesn't it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Now after the break, I'm going to talk.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: To expert David mcmart on how to avoid getting snapped
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: out by a crop this summer. When you're heading to
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the NT plus, I'll catch up with Alexander Downer to
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: talk about the catastrophic leadership we're seeing from Labor over Israel.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Let's catch up with National MP Keith Pitt live from Canberra.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Keith. I wanted to get
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: on some omissions and energy issues with you as ever,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: but I've got to get your thoughts on what's unfolded
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: in Parliament today. It's an astonishing story to have the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: serving female chief of staff of the Deputy Prime Minister
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: acting Prime Minister today and Defense Minister saying that she's
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: been bullied out of her job, that she's still being
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: paid a full time salary but isn't allowed into the office.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: What on earth is going on?
• 32:52
  Speaker 20: Well, Chris, these are very serious allegations and obviously lawyers involved.
• 32:56
  Speaker 20: There's also things going on and I'll let the process
• 32:59
  Speaker 20: play out. Questions I do have as this, I mean,
• 33:01
  Speaker 20: will the Labor government apply the same standard that they
• 33:04
  Speaker 20: did when they were in opposition and these matters were
• 33:07
  Speaker 20: an issue for the coalition? Will they be the same
• 33:10
  Speaker 20: level of pursuit and determination? Will the media approach this
• 33:14
  Speaker 20: the same way even when there hadn't been anything that
• 33:18
  Speaker 20: determined what the outcome may or may not have been.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Rallies on the lawns four corners specials. Do you think
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: we'll see all that, Chris spot On Keith, We won't
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: see that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I mean if this was on the Coalition side, it
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: would have been revealed on four corners before it we
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: had anything in Parliament. Let's have a listen to the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: woman in question, the chief of staff to the acting
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister, Jane Tarnorski, Joe Tucker.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: What I want is for people to know the truth
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: and for Richard.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Miles as well as those who have enabled his behavior
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: to be held accountable for what has happened. I am
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: being bullied out of a job I loved that I
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: was doing well. It was a job that I dreamed
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: of having since I first visited Parliament House as a child.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Now I am the.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Most seniors female chief of staff on the hill and
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: my workplace is not safe.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, so I misspoke there, as Joe Tanorski of course,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: very seen in Now. Look, you've got to get let
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the issue play out. None of us know what's going
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: on in that office, and you're right and no one
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: can second guess that. But there are some obvious matters
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: of public interest and management by the minister and the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: government here that need to be addressed, and first among
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: them is that someone on.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: A big salary.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And I would suggest that she would be on a
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: salary of at least two seventy five to three hundred
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars maybe more.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: She's being paid that money not to do a job.
• 34:42
  Speaker 20: Well, we've seen this movie before, Chris. I recall one
• 34:45
  Speaker 20: of the teals from Victoria I think had a similar
• 34:46
  Speaker 20: issue some months or a year ago.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And I'll say it again.
• 34:50
  Speaker 20: Will there be the same level of relentless pursuit as
• 34:53
  Speaker 20: there was of people like Senator Linda Reynolds and others?
• 34:56
  Speaker 20: Is that what the expectation is.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I know what my approach will be.
• 35:00
  Speaker 20: As a process, You'll go through it, there'll be a
• 35:02
  Speaker 20: determination is what the facts are, and then it'll be
• 35:04
  Speaker 20: dealt with in the appropriate way.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: But where's the media.
• 35:08
  Speaker 20: I was expecting this to be a pretty big story.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's have a look at how Richard Miles
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: dealt with it in Parliament today.
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: What I can say is that it is evident now
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: on the record that we have been I've been working
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: with the Prime Minister's office for months in respect of
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: this matter, and the Prime Minister has been made aware of.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: This yeah, I wouldn't mind betting either, Keith that if
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: there is some sort of mediation here involving lawyers, that
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Richard Miles and his office will be represented, will be
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: allowed legal represented, a representation in a way that both
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds and Michaulia Cash were not allowed to be
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: represented when Britney Higgins had a claim against the government.
• 35:52
  Speaker 20: Well, this is one of the challenges with the processes
• 35:54
  Speaker 20: that have occurred previously. Ministers are actually entitled to legal representation,
• 35:58
  Speaker 20: to have it paid for by the conwealth because otherwise,
• 36:01
  Speaker 20: who on their right mind would be.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: A minister of of the crowd?
• 36:04
  Speaker 20: You'd you'd be broke in a heartbeat on occasions. So
• 36:09
  Speaker 20: I just think there is an opportunity now to see
• 36:12
  Speaker 20: whether the use systems that are put in place will
• 36:14
  Speaker 20: work in the way that they should. And I just
• 36:16
  Speaker 20: think it's a poor reflection on the government the way
• 36:18
  Speaker 20: it's been managed today.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Now, just briefly back on the issues you wanted to address,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: and that is a mission standards in Australia.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Some warnings from car importers.
• 36:28
  Speaker 20: Well, guess what the price of cars will be higher,
• 36:30
  Speaker 20: particularly the ones like the Highlux and the Ranger and
• 36:32
  Speaker 20: the land cruiser some up to twenty five thousand dollars
• 36:35
  Speaker 20: and guess who's going to pay consumers.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: This is what labor governments do.
• 36:39
  Speaker 20: They put the price up of everything to meet their ideals.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a worry. If in the market for a you,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it's a worry. Thanks for joining us, Keith, I appreciate it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Keith Pitt.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: There the nationals MP, Queensland nationals MP joining us live
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: from camera. Now I want to go to one of
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: those only in Australia stories, but one that has a
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: serious warning with it. Kal's Crossing in Kakadu National Park
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: is right at the top of this map on the.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Right hand side.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Is three hours west of Darwin and has become famous
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: as a sightseeing spot for tourists who want to see
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: crocs in the wild, but some seem to be oblivious
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to the dangers as they cross the East Alligator River.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: David McMahon, the head tour guide for Venture North Safaris,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: is raising awareness about these dangers.
• 37:28
  Speaker 17: Standing here at the sitting here at the eat Delligator River.
• 37:32
  Speaker 17: Would you make the Cromodle.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Wow place. Yeah, the name of that river sort of
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: confuses everyone. Doesn't it. But I caught up with David.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: To discuss the attraction to this place, which is so
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: far off the beaten track.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly is a long way from anywhere, but
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: it's what has become one of the big attractions in
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Kakadu National Park, the Kakadu twenty thousand square kilometer National
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Park out in the bush, but it attracts a lot
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: of visitors from around the world world and car Hills
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: crossing has become a real attraction, especially this time of
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: the year, sort of the late season. You get a
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: lot of crocodiles all congregating in one place as the
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: tide pushes up and all the fish come and there's
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: there's always something going on at car Hills, so it
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: seems to be somewhere everyone wants to see.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: It's not to be messed with, though, is it. People
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: have been killed there.
• 38:22
  Speaker 17: Yeah, there's been a couple of fatalities.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: On one memorable in nineteen eighty seven, a feller had
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: his head bitten off by a crocodile in front of
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  Speaker 3: his son and a heap of tourists.
• 38:31
  Speaker 17: And that's the sort of thing that we're hoping never
• 38:33
  Speaker 17: happens again.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've highlighted through social media some of the crazy
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: carryings on at the crossing.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at this one.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Well, here we go again, absolute stupidity at the infamous
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Car Hills crossing. This truck's crossing the river fine, plenty
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: of weight over a mira water pushing upstream as the
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: tide roars in, and this clown in the no weight
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: in the back decides he'll take the gambit and cross
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: and ends disaster.
• 39:00
  Speaker 17: He's so lucky.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: These fellas don't know how lucky they are not to
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: have rolled that car and ended.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Up as crop poo.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: This river is absolutely chock a block full with enormous
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: saltwater crocodiles.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Just amazing stuff, Dave.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Obviously that truck back reversed back to help them get
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: out of there.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: How much worse could it have been?
• 39:23
  Speaker 17: I could have been unbelievably worse.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: The car was actually under toe, which makes it even
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: even sillier because that truck's got plenty of weight, but
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: that it's a light vehicle. There was very close to
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: being if it was just a bit more flow or
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I had a hit a rock a bit more and
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: tipped over just upstream from there as the tides pushing in,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: you've got fifty plus really big saltwater crocodiles. They're all
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: there because the fish are pushing up, and they would
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: have made quick work of those fellows. They would have
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: had absolutely no chance of getting out if they had
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: have been swept away.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Look, I can understand why people want to go there
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and get to see the crocs from their car and
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: the like, but the way people behave that the crossing
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: is astounding. Some of the videos I've seen over the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: past year or so, let's have a look at another
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: one that you've highlighted.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Here you got parents and their kids fishing right on
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: the edge of the water at the infamous car Hills crossing.
• 40:18
  Speaker 17: There are crocodiles everywhere.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: That little kid, it's a perfect size snack for a crocodile.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: We've got to stop behavior like this. We need to
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: teach people how to stay away from the water. Otherwise
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: someone's going to get taken. It's only a matter of time,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: and then everybody suffers. People suffer, the croc suffer. It's
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: not good enough.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Oh my, that is so frightening.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Now, adults, parents, you know they're responsible for their own actions.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: But those poor kids, they're being led by their parents.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: They don't understand the risks. And gee, I'm glad you're
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: drawing attention to this because we could face a disaster
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: if people don't improve their behavior.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: And the thing to remember here is there is a
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: perfectly safe viewing platform above, and it's a place I
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: fish lot.
• 41:00
  Speaker 17: There's big rocks back from the water.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: You can certainly view the crocodiles very safely, and you
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: can fish safely, so there really is no excuse for
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: this sort of behavior. And for a parent to let
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: their kid get that too close to the water is
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: it's kind of just impossible to get your head around.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: There's signs everywhere. There's even signs warning of recent fatalities,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: so you know the parents.
• 41:21
  Speaker 17: They're seeing the crocodiles.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Everybody that goes to that place knows the dangers of
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: kils crossing. It's an infamous spot. I can't get my
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: head around why this sort of stuff is still going on.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just looking at the video now of a
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: crop coming out of the river to take what looks
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: like a barrel on the end of the line, and
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: it just goes to show how quick they can move
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: through the water and even when they're on land, and
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: also how hard they can beat the spot sometimes just
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: explain the risks that perhaps Southerners don't understand.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt, you know, crocodiles, they're perfect predators.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: There's a time at that crossing when the tide's pushing
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: in where you'll be able to see thirty to fifty
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: big crops all on the surface, the little fingers out
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: of the water waiting for the fish to come through.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: But when the tide really starts pushing, they all go
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: back underwater, and you'd be thinking that maybe there's no
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: crops there if you didn't know any better.
• 42:11
  Speaker 17: They're perfect predators.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: It could have been a crocodile within inches of that
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: young fellow and he would have had no idea. They
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: could just move with such birth of speed, so easy
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: to stay safe from crops.
• 42:22
  Speaker 17: They live in the water, we live on land.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: If you stand a couple of meters back from the water,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: and that's literally all it takes two or three meters back,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: you're out of that danger zone.
• 42:31
  Speaker 17: Crocodiles aren't going to worry about you.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: It's only that real really being on the edge there,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: so it's for something that's so easy to stay safe from.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: It's remarkable how many many people put themselves at risk.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: David, thanks so much for drawing attention to it. It's
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: always great catching up with you. We'll talk again soon.
• 42:48
  Speaker 17: Look forward to it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Amazing stuff, isn't it. He's a terrific buck, David McMahon.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I'd like crow supporter too. How about that. Now let's
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: get back onto foreign matters.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: And the world is still waiting to see exactly how
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Israel retaliates against Iran's missile attack on Israel last week.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin and Netanyahu has actually discussed these
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: plans in a call with US President Joe Biden overnight,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: and the attacks are expected to be pretty lethal and targeted.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I caught up with former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer noting
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: that while the tension mounts, Israel seems almost friendless diplomatically.
• 43:25
  Speaker 19: Well, I don't think in the end that's going to
• 43:27
  Speaker 19: matter to Prime Minister Netan, Yahoo in the Israeli government,
• 43:31
  Speaker 19: and for that matter, the Israeli public, because it's not
• 43:35
  Speaker 19: about whether they have friends or not. They need to
• 43:39
  Speaker 19: defend their country. And what people don't seem to understand
• 43:44
  Speaker 19: is that Hezbalara and hamas proxies for Iran, and Iran
• 43:50
  Speaker 19: is trying to destroy Israel completely, completely destroy the country.
• 43:56
  Speaker 19: So people need to reflect on.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: What they want here.
• 44:00
  Speaker 19: Only one Israel to be totally destroyed. This would be
• 44:04
  Speaker 19: a global catastrophe and a huge setback for the West
• 44:10
  Speaker 19: or Western civilization, and obviously it would amount to a
• 44:15
  Speaker 19: second Holocaust. So the Israelis aren't going to allow it
• 44:20
  Speaker 19: to happen, and they have to be ruthless in dealing
• 44:24
  Speaker 19: with their enemies, and they are being and they're being
• 44:27
  Speaker 19: very effective.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Well here in Australia, the Albanese Labor government's diplomacy on this,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: its position on this, continues to be very weak and
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: even confused. Now even the former Prime Minister John Howard,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: your old boss, has come out and commented on this
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and said that Anthony Alberze seems to be at odds
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: with the American administration even.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: And he's likened it too. Comments that you will know the.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Opposition leader Mark Latham at the time in two thousand
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and four saying he'd bring home the troops by Christmas.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: He said if a federal election was held.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Later that year when he was opposition leader and he
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: would have winded be a change of government. He'd be
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: hoping to have the troops back by Christmas. Certainly, now
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I was working with you back then. You jumped on
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: those remarks at the time. What was so important about them?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Was it the break with the American position or was
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: it the weakness they showed?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 19: It was also that he said that under no circumstances
• 45:27
  Speaker 19: would in an Australian government that he led take preemptive
• 45:31
  Speaker 19: action to defend Australia and Australia's interests. So I mean,
• 45:37
  Speaker 19: I thought this was hugely damaging to the Labor Party
• 45:41
  Speaker 19: because it showed that Labor Party couldn't be trusted on
• 45:44
  Speaker 19: national security. What I think about the Albernesi government, of course,
• 45:49
  Speaker 19: mart Latham was just the opposition leader. He didn't have
• 45:52
  Speaker 19: any power. Anthony Alberesi does have power. Penny Wong and
• 45:58
  Speaker 19: Richard Miles.
• 45:59
  Speaker 17: They have power.
• 46:00
  Speaker 19: And what's worrying about them is that they have totally
• 46:04
  Speaker 19: destroyed Australia's influence in the Middle East and beyond the
• 46:11
  Speaker 19: Asia Pacific region. Australia has just become a laughing stop
• 46:15
  Speaker 19: because I mean, they say Israel has a right to
• 46:19
  Speaker 19: defend itself, but it can't defend itself if it attacks
• 46:23
  Speaker 19: the people who are attacking Israel from outside of Israeli territory.
• 46:27
  Speaker 19: So let me make this point to you. Apparently for
• 46:31
  Speaker 19: the Labor Party, it's all very well for President Zelenski
• 46:34
  Speaker 19: and the Ukrainian Army to be attacking Russian villages and
• 46:39
  Speaker 19: towns in Russia to cut off Russian supply lines, but
• 46:43
  Speaker 19: it's not okay for the Israelis to attack Hesbalara over
• 46:48
  Speaker 19: the border in Lebanon, or to retaliate against Iran for
• 46:53
  Speaker 19: sending one hundred and eighty missiles or whatever it was
• 46:57
  Speaker 19: into Israel. It just doesn't make any sense, and everybody
• 47:02
  Speaker 19: in the world knows it doesn't make any sense. So
• 47:05
  Speaker 19: Australia's government is totally ignored because everybody you go, everyone
• 47:11
  Speaker 19: you talk to in the diplomatic world knows the Australian
• 47:15
  Speaker 19: government's position on the Middle East is just domestic politics
• 47:18
  Speaker 19: and nothing more and nothing less.
• 47:21
  Speaker 17: And it's very sad.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Well, talking about domestic politics, what do you think is
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: the influence of this on domestic politics? Not many people
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: will shift their vote on a foreign policy issue, but
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: does it make voters question the judgment of the Prime
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Minister and the government.
• 47:38
  Speaker 19: Well, some Muslim voters will shift their votes on this issue,
• 47:43
  Speaker 19: and that's the point. People aren't so much going to
• 47:46
  Speaker 19: shift between Labor and Liberal orthough some people will move
• 47:50
  Speaker 19: away from Labor to the Liberals because the Labor Party
• 47:54
  Speaker 19: is so weak on national security.
• 47:56
  Speaker 17: I mean, it just can't be trusted on national security issues.
• 48:00
  Speaker 19: Where the votes will shift is between Labor and the Greens,
• 48:04
  Speaker 19: because the Greens are a deeply anti Semitic cult these days.
• 48:08
  Speaker 19: They're not an environmental party. They're a party that rages
• 48:13
  Speaker 19: against the Jews, and a lot of sort of Muslim
• 48:17
  Speaker 19: not all Muslims, of course, but a lot of Muslim
• 48:19
  Speaker 19: activists and hardliners will find that attractive and now shift
• 48:25
  Speaker 19: their votes from Labor to the Greens.
• 48:27
  Speaker 17: And that's what.
• 48:28
  Speaker 19: Albanezi and pleversak Wong and so on, that's all they're
• 48:34
  Speaker 19: interested in. They're just playing a game between Labor and
• 48:37
  Speaker 19: the Greens. Whereas out there in the big bad world,
• 48:41
  Speaker 19: we're trying to save Israel and save Western civilization from
• 48:45
  Speaker 19: the assaults on it. But the Labor government in Australia
• 48:49
  Speaker 19: has played itself totally out of any discussions, serious discussions
• 48:54
  Speaker 19: on these issues.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Alexander Donna, thanks so much for joining us again, press.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Been a busy week.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Let me just wrap up with some of your feedback
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: from what I showed you last night. From Kamala, Harris,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: and Tim Walls in the States. Mike says, just what
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the US needs, another knucklehead in office.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Sandy says, I.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Can't believe anybody would vote for Kamala, and Chuck says.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: A recent MSNBC headline states Coamala silences critics with media
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: blitz rolling on the floor laughing. I think it just
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: gave them more fodder to use against her. She showed
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: the world how ridiculous she is. Well she did it
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: again with Stephen Colbert as we showed you tonight.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: And this one from an American viewer. I voted for
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump in New Mexico yesterday. YEP. Lots of early
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: voting going on in the US as we speak. Thanks
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: for joining me.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: We'll have another busy week for you next week. Coming
• 49:45
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• 49:48
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