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The Bolt Report | 19 December · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: He's the Bolt Reform It.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson coming up on the show tonight. Cancer, strokes
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: and heart attacks. That's all part of Labour's latest nuclear
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: scare campaign. I'll explain why it's a load of bull shortly.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: Quantus has proven it can even outwoke itself, renaming Sydney
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  Speaker 2: Gaddigal Country bad luck if you're a tourist and get
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: on the wrong flight. The UK's decision to ban puberty
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: blockers for children is a bittersweet for thousands of families
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: who've been torn apart by gender ideology. A mother will
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  Speaker 2: join me to share her experience later, and curiouser and curiouser.
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  Speaker 2: A new investigation revels just how many mining projects compared
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  Speaker 2: to renewables are being subjected to Aboriginal heritage protection claims.
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  Speaker 1: Or talk about that soon too.
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  Speaker 2: But first, Peter Dutton has already won the argument over
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  Speaker 2: nuclear power.
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  Speaker 1: How do I know?
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  Speaker 2: Because Labour has just gone nuclear with the mother of
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  Speaker 2: all scare campaigns. It's fearmongering so patently absurd that it
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  Speaker 2: can only mean one thing. Chris Bowen doesn't have a
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  Speaker 2: single reasonable argument against nuclear power. He's got nothing, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: apart from the boogeyman. Labor is warning that if Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton is allowed to power our country with nuclear reactors,
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  Speaker 2: he's can unleash cancers, heart attacks and strokes on the
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  Speaker 2: Australian population. Seriously, here's Labour's latest attack on the Coalition's
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  Speaker 2: nuclear plan, featuring Melbourne GP Margaret Beavis. It was posted
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  Speaker 2: on Labour's official Instagram account just yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: There are definite increases in cancer, strokes and heart attacks
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  Speaker 3: with nuclear power. With renewable energy, we have much safer
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  Speaker 3: al turn tips and for a health perspective, nuclear.
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  Speaker 4: Makes no sense.
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  Speaker 3: There are significantly increased rates of cancer, heart attacks and
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  Speaker 3: strokes amongst the workforce in the nuclear industries.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on a second, Labor is telling us that there's
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  Speaker 2: no safe limit when working with radiation. I mean, hasn't
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  Speaker 2: this Labor government agreed that our navy will have nuclear submarines,
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  Speaker 2: And haven't they sent our sailors to train on nuclear
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  Speaker 2: powered ships in the US. And haven't Australian scientists been
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  Speaker 2: working at the Lucas Heights nuclear reactor in Sydney since
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  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty eight, all but now now Peter Dutton wants
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  Speaker 2: to use nuclear power to fix up the mess Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bowen's made of our power grid. Suddenly nuclear power is
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  Speaker 2: the stuff of nightmares, cancers, heart attacks, strokes.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, you're more likely to die from laughing.
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  Speaker 2: So who is this doctor Beavis that labour has rolled
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  Speaker 2: out to warn us at the end is nigh under
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  Speaker 2: Dutton's nuclear plan.
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  Speaker 1: Well, wouldn't you know it? She's an anti war activist.
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  Speaker 2: And a former Australian Greens candidate. Here is some more
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  Speaker 2: of doctor Beavis's meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: We know childhood leukemia, which is much easier to link
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  Speaker 3: to radiation, is definitely increased. It's more than doubled for
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  Speaker 3: families living within five kilometers of a nuclear power plant,
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  Speaker 3: and there's good evidence to show that that increased risk
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  Speaker 3: spreads out to There is increased risk for at least
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  Speaker 3: fifty kilometers from a nuclear power.
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  Speaker 4: Plant authorized by p Erickson alb camera.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, if the best labor have is beavers and bowenhead,
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  Speaker 2: they might as well just volunteer to go into opposition now.
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  Speaker 2: When asked about doctor Beavis's claims today, Chris Bowen refused
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  Speaker 2: to back away from them. He said, Doctor Beavis was
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  Speaker 2: a medical doctor who had quote expressed her view. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and you published her wacky view on the Labor Instagram
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  Speaker 2: account with a Labor endorsement attached. So it's more than
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  Speaker 2: just a view. This is what Chris Bowen is seriously
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  Speaker 2: arguing when pressed.
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  Speaker 5: One of the reasons nuclear is so expensive is because
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  Speaker 5: the regulations to make it safe have to be so exhaustive.
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  Speaker 2: So it is safe then, and even with those exhaustive
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  Speaker 2: expenses to make it safe, it still comes in two
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  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty four billion dollars cheaper than Bowen's renewable mess,
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  Speaker 2: according to Frontier Economics, And that's a claim that hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been seriously disputed. Dr Beavis's claims that people living near
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  Speaker 2: a Dutton reactor have increased risk of cancer appear to
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  Speaker 2: have been based on one study last year that epidermiologists
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  Speaker 2: said showed only that there was a very very very
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  Speaker 2: small risk about the same risk that the Greens will
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  Speaker 2: ever form government in their own right, but not nearly
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  Speaker 2: as deadly. Do you remember when Labour won the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty two election, Anthony Albenezi assured the country we would
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  Speaker 2: have a government and I quote run by adults, at
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  Speaker 2: which point his deputy Richard Marles's moonlighting as a comedian
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  Speaker 2: chimed in this country is under new management. There's a
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  Speaker 2: serious group of people in charge. Yeah, and how do
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  Speaker 2: you reckon that's going? A three eyed fish in a
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  Speaker 2: kefir pretty much sums up Labour's total policy platform these days.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not even a joke.
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  Speaker 2: Remember this meme posted by Victorian Labor Premier just Sin
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  Speaker 2: to Allen, warning that nuclear power would lead to three
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  Speaker 2: eyed fish jumping out of the water in Gippsland. I
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  Speaker 2: thought the dog on the pier with eighteen eyes was
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  Speaker 2: a nice touch.
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  Speaker 1: These are the same.
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  Speaker 2: People who love to tell you and I follow the science.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're all.
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  Speaker 2: Thinking at the time, is there a more juvenile politician
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  Speaker 2: in the country, at which point Employment Minister Andrew Lee
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  Speaker 2: shouted pick me. His principled argument against Dutton's nuclear plan
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  Speaker 2: was to post a picture of a three eyed koala.
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  Speaker 2: The caption read and I quote, is this what Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton wants Blinky Bill to look like in fifty years?
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  Speaker 1: Sure?
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  Speaker 2: Never mind that Blinky Bill has more chance of dying
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  Speaker 2: because his habitat has been destroyed to make way for
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  Speaker 2: a wind farm than he does of dying from radiation.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what I reckon, The Jewish community might
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  Speaker 2: prefer to take their chances with a three eyed koala
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  Speaker 2: rather than a two faced prime minister. But as always,
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  Speaker 2: no one comes close to Energy Minister Chris Bowen. If
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  Speaker 2: you're searching for political inanity, remember when he posted a
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  Speaker 2: mockup of a little golden book entitled Peter Dutton and
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  Speaker 2: the seven Nuclear Reactors. I'm not sure the gag worked
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  Speaker 2: out so well for Bowen. Most people just assumed the dwarfs,
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  Speaker 2: which he'd labeled wasteful, leaky, dodgy, slow, clunky, risky and costly,
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  Speaker 2: were labor front benches. Dutton will win the next election
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  Speaker 2: because he's the only adult in the room, the only
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  Speaker 2: one following the science, and the only one too busy
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  Speaker 2: working to post ridiculous memes.
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  Speaker 1: And as for this.
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  Speaker 2: Rubbish claim that nuclear power used in thirty two countries
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  Speaker 2: will produce cancers, heart attacks and strokes, well you're more
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  Speaker 2: likely to have a heart attack opening one of Bowen's
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  Speaker 2: electricity bills than you are living near one of Dutton's reactors.
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: Well we're going to go to a break, but stick
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: around because coming up in just a moment, the UK's
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: decision to ban puberty blockers for children. Well, it's a
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: bittersweet for thousands of Australian families who've been taught apart
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  Speaker 2: by gender ideology. A mother will share her experience with me.
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  Speaker 2: Next welcome back. Well, joining me is Nationals front bencher
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  Speaker 2: and former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby. Joyce Barnaby, Great to
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  Speaker 2: have your company tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Listen. I want to know is the coalition's.
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  Speaker 2: Nuclear plan going to give us all cancer and heart
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  Speaker 2: attacks and strokes?
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  Speaker 6: It's just total rubbish, isn't it.
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  Speaker 7: If that was the case, then everybody around Luca's Heights
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  Speaker 7: would be I don't know Newton's and it's just bs.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, they lived very happily their houses there.
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  Speaker 7: I think that it was a block a number of
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  Speaker 7: years ago, Bacon blocks off one point three million dollars.
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  Speaker 7: I talk to the people of Lucas Heights see if
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  Speaker 7: they're unduly concerned about the fact that Austra's only a
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  Speaker 7: nuclear reactor right next door to them.
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  Speaker 6: I might tell you they actually work there.
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  Speaker 7: This is this this crazy static overreaction that you would
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  Speaker 7: expect from people who just don't want an alternative to
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  Speaker 7: baseload power. If you don't want baseload, pay, I got
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  Speaker 7: inter minutes, and you're going to have inter minutes. You're
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  Speaker 7: going to be poor, you're going to be broke, You're
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  Speaker 7: going to be going to make the nation weak. Ultimately,
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  Speaker 7: it sub becomes, it becomes even a threat to our
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  Speaker 7: capacity to defend ourselves. We're a weak nation, a weak economy.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think other people are foolish enough not to
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  Speaker 7: recognize that and say, oh, well, here's a go for us.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, obviously comment totalitarian regime. We're doing our best
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  Speaker 7: to destroy this country with in a mint of power.
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  Speaker 7: We really are.
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  Speaker 6: We're giving a good hard crack at it.
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  Speaker 7: And you've got to get baseload, and you've got to
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  Speaker 7: get as much baseload as you possibly can get.
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  Speaker 6: You used to have the cheapest power. Now I've got
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  Speaker 6: the dearest power.
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  Speaker 7: There's only one reason for that, folks, get a minute
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  Speaker 7: of power. Givehamistically called renewables. If she wants to have
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  Speaker 7: a spray about something, have a spray about how you
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  Speaker 7: called renewables, intermittence, renewables and farms and all this other
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  Speaker 7: bs for this tripe that goes along with the stuff
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  Speaker 7: that's going.
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  Speaker 6: To cover the world.
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  Speaker 7: So those those things transmission lines, if she wants to couple,
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  Speaker 7: put her over them.
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  Speaker 6: Over her house, she can live with the intimittate power
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  Speaker 6: in the front yard.
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  Speaker 7: Say how she feels about that, Then you can get
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  Speaker 7: her back on your show and see how she's crying
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  Speaker 7: all over you.
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  Speaker 1: Then well, barbaby.
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  Speaker 2: When labor post videos like the one we saw from
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  Speaker 2: Dr Beavis, what does that say about the way they
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  Speaker 2: regard the Australian public. I mean, do they really think
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  Speaker 2: we're morons? They're treating us as such.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, they really think you're morons. Yep, your first one.
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  Speaker 6: They really think you're morons.
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  Speaker 7: They they think you're morons because they think they're enlightened.
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  Speaker 6: They think that all all.
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  Speaker 7: Knowledge resides in the airy chambers in which they live.
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  Speaker 7: They believe that because they can go up to a
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  Speaker 7: wall and change a dial and the temperature changes, that
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  Speaker 7: they also can change the temperature. They're more worried about
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  Speaker 7: what happens inside their office and what happens with the
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  Speaker 7: cost of living for other people outside their window.
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  Speaker 6: They've lost sight of that.
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  Speaker 7: They're quite happy to throw you under an economic bus,
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  Speaker 7: quite happy to do that to keep on the right
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  Speaker 7: side of the beautiful people.
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  Speaker 6: Might I say, one of the beautiful people is that
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  Speaker 6: lady missus Beavers.
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  Speaker 7: She's absolutely encapsulates the beautiful set. So you know that
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  Speaker 7: she didn't look like she's short of a quid. It's
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  Speaker 7: like she's going along all right in life. Probably has
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  Speaker 7: a good job, pretty secure, nice house.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, probably pretty good.
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  Speaker 7: Super And for other people trying to pay for their groceries, well,
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  Speaker 7: stuff you. Other people trying to pay for their power,
• 10:50
  Speaker 7: stuff you. But farmers trying to deal with the fact
• 10:53
  Speaker 7: that your whole landscape is being changed.
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  Speaker 6: We'll stuff you because that's how they work.
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  Speaker 7: That's how they work, and and that's why I've got
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  Speaker 7: to stand up to them.
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  Speaker 2: Barnaby, I got to say, You'll always be one of
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  Speaker 2: the beautiful people to me. I want to ask you
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  Speaker 2: about labor rolling out thousands of kilometers of transmission lines
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  Speaker 2: to connect solar and wind farms to the grid. Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bowen today demanded to know which transmission line projects Dunton
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  Speaker 2: would scrap to make way for his nuclear plan. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the answer is pretty simple, isn't it. You scrap all
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  Speaker 2: of them because you don't need.
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  Speaker 6: Them, hopefully the one over the New England.
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  Speaker 7: Hopefully the one that divides into two, so I've got
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  Speaker 7: two of them over my place, joins back into one
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  Speaker 7: and then goes over irrigation farms, cattle farms, destroying the
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  Speaker 7: value of people's land. Connecting to solve these swindle factories,
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  Speaker 7: these follower take fills the black which people who live
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  Speaker 7: next door to them find the value of their property
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  Speaker 7: goes through the floor. The people live in sight of
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  Speaker 7: the wind turbines and another swindled monuments, they find their
• 11:59
  Speaker 7: value of their probably is going down to the fact
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  Speaker 7: that we have to now tell in our livestock production
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  Speaker 7: assurance scheme whether we have solar panels or wind turbines
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  Speaker 7: near us, and what is our stocking plan to keep stock.
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  Speaker 6: Away from them. I mean, this is the reality of us.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, all those people, those enlightened, wonderful people, why
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  Speaker 7: don't they This is a height of hypocrisy. If you
• 12:22
  Speaker 7: say let's put the wind turbines off your beach, I
• 12:27
  Speaker 7: bet she lives near the seat off your beach from
• 12:29
  Speaker 7: the Central Highlands, and then we'll run the transmission lines
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  Speaker 7: over your house to get to Sydney, nice and quick.
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  Speaker 7: Nice and quick, no loss of electrons there straight in zip.
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  Speaker 7: But of course then should be go, oh no, you
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  Speaker 7: know we've got to have wind turbines and swindle factories.
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  Speaker 7: But I'll take pills of black. But we've got over
• 12:47
  Speaker 7: them in your blades, not in our blades.
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  Speaker 2: But to be staying on energy policy, the government announced
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  Speaker 2: today they would fund cheap loans for police, nurses and
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: firefighters to buy electric vehicles. The program will cost one
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars. But I want to ask
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  Speaker 2: you if the governmentor going to spend that much money
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  Speaker 2: on frontline workers. I reckon those workers would prefer it
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  Speaker 2: in their pay packets, don't you.
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  Speaker 6: Well, this is like so you know, it's like stalinism.
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  Speaker 6: We have vehicle for you. You must drive it. Here
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  Speaker 6: is vehicle for you to drive. You must drive electric.
• 13:23
  Speaker 7: You must drive electric, and we can own it with
• 13:25
  Speaker 7: the only product you can put into that electric vehicle
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  Speaker 7: is the product of the multi billionaires who own the renewables,
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  Speaker 7: these swindle factories where you have to buy their product
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  Speaker 7: at their price and somehow do it in a form
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  Speaker 7: that doesn't collapse a whole grid.
• 13:40
  Speaker 6: Remember we're now talking about they have senffy air.
• 13:43
  Speaker 7: Conditioners and you have to turn off your ball filters
• 13:47
  Speaker 7: and there's like third world country sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 6: But that's all right. You know you've got to do that.
• 13:51
  Speaker 7: You got to do that when the intermedied cults out
• 13:54
  Speaker 7: and about, you've got to do that sort of rubbish.
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  Speaker 7: But you know what if one ranges off the vehicle
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  Speaker 7: if they want an electric vehicle, not to sell out
• 14:03
  Speaker 7: if they don't want electric vehicle.
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  Speaker 6: It's all about.
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  Speaker 1: Barnaby were used to corporate elites.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to push their left woken gender on us all
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: the time. Last week, Indigenous elder Warren Mundine called out
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: the SBS for using the traditional Aboriginal name of places
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: in its weather broadcast. And now it seems Quantus has
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: drunk the same kool aid, although we're not surprised about that.
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  Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Will Kingston is on his way home
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: to Australia from London and he sent us this picture
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  Speaker 2: Gadigal Country. We're not allowed to call Sydney Sydney anymore.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and do you remember the referendum about that?
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  Speaker 7: Can you remember the referendum where they decided to change
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  Speaker 7: your language?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, how'd you vote in that referendum.
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  Speaker 7: What about the referendum where they decided you're going to
• 14:50
  Speaker 7: have free flags not one.
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  Speaker 6: Do you remember that referendum? I mean, are these things that.
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  Speaker 7: Are enforced on you by someone but basically by the
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  Speaker 7: executive but the you know, the enlighten once more than
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  Speaker 7: enlightened people who decided that we're going to change your
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: language and you have to accept it. I mean, if
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  Speaker 7: you're an executive of Conners, you put it on millions
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  Speaker 7: of dollars, you.
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  Speaker 6: Know we'll be done.
• 15:11
  Speaker 7: You've applied, you've done yourself very well at an interview,
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  Speaker 7: got yourself on a letter seat, big pay packet and
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: your sbs.
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  Speaker 6: You know, is it their business where they build sbs?
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: Do they go out and start from the bottom with
• 15:25
  Speaker 7: a paper run or a little radio station out in
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  Speaker 7: the bush and build their way up down sbs.
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  Speaker 6: No, they got a job.
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  Speaker 7: They snooze their way into a job, and from that
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  Speaker 7: job they determine they're enlightened and you're going to speak
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  Speaker 7: their language. Literally, they're going to actually change the name
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  Speaker 7: of places.
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  Speaker 6: But we let them get away with it. We don't
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: stand up to them. You know.
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  Speaker 7: The only time we've soot up is the voice, and
• 15:51
  Speaker 7: they've got to smash out of the park. They get
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  Speaker 7: around these things with just the power of the executive,
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: and they do it. They do it once more because
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  Speaker 7: they think you are a moron, that you are a
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  Speaker 7: person who is immoral, that you're basically, you know, beyond
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  Speaker 7: you don't have a sort of the academic acumen to
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  Speaker 7: match it with them, and that your you know, your
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  Speaker 7: view of history is erroneous. And this gives them the
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  Speaker 7: right because they're in lighten, they're in line, they go
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  Speaker 7: the right dinner parties. I mean you should say they're yes,
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  Speaker 7: they're absolutely they had the right to change your language.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce, it is always a pleasure. Thanks for your
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: time tonight. Hey, I read out of time to talk to.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Barnaby about our labor government pushing Israel for a ceasefire
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: ceasefire with the Mass even before her Mass has released
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: all the hostages.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's good to.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Know not everyone in the Western world is cowtowing to
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: the left. Donald Trump has already piled pressure on her Mass,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: threatening that if an acceptable dealer isn't struck to release
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  Speaker 2: the hostages before he returns to office on January twenty
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: there'll be quote all hell to pay, and it seems
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  Speaker 2: the pressure is working. Joining me is Menzies Research Center,
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  Speaker 2: sing your fellow Nick Cata and history author and lecturer
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Stephen Shavura. Nick, there are reports today that those threats
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: from Trump have already caused to MAUS to agree to
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: some major concessions, a point even the White House has conceded.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: This is good news.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, students of history won't be surprised about this.
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  Speaker 5: Ronald Reagan came to power in the middle of the
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Iranian hostage crisis, and because he spoke similar tough words
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: to the Iranians, the Uranians came to a deal and
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: released the American hostages from the embassy there. So it's
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: just a fact, you know. I mean, tough talking does work,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: particularly when you've got somebody like Trump and people believe
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: you'll follow through. So yes, but it just goes to show,
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: doesn't it. What a terrible interfering, a disruptive measure it
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: was for Penny Wong to jump in on behalf of
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: Australia and ask demand an unconditional ceasefire. I mean, the
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: first condition to any ceasefire should be released the hostages.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: The second condition should be for Hamas to lay down
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: their arms, then we can talk about a ceasefire, but
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: an unconditional ceasefire as Penny Wong wants just really just
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: his open slather for the terrorists.
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I could not agree more Nick, and I said so
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: on the program last night. But Stephen Nick just made
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: a great point. People believe that Trump will do what
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: he says, whereas with Biden you never really took anything seriously.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: It begs the question how different would things have been
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: in the Middle East had Trump been in the Oval
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Office these past four years rather than sleepy Joe and
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: cackling Kamala.
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: Well, I don't think her mass would have attacked to
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: begin with, because world leaders were generally terrified of Trump
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: because they found him so unpredictable.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: When he was in.
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: Power, we had an unprecedented period of world peace. When
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: Biden came in, you had Ukraine, you had Israel and Hermas,
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: you had the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Everything
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: just fell apart. The thing with also with Trump, is
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: that under Biden and earlier Obama, Iran was rolling in
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: money because America with other countries decided to lift trade
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: embargoes against Iranian oil, decided to relax restrictions on Iranian assets,
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: and Obama himself delivered one point seven billion dollars in
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: cash to Iran. So Obama and Biden also economically propelled
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: Iran to an ability to be able to fund a war.
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: Now Trump cut all of that, and that's one reason
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: why Iran didn't want to funder war under Trump. And
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: so I don't actually do you think the Israel Hamas
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: war would have happened at all under Trump? And I
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: do hope that Trump can bring it to a speedy conclusion.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about something that happened earlier this
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: year and get your thoughts on it. There was a
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: mass walkout by students and staff at the Australian Catholic University.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: People might remember when the graduation speaker said during his
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: keynote address that the practice of abortion was quote a
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: tragedy that must end. Now there's been a review of
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that incident by the university, and the priest in charge
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: of the review has said that the Catholic University needed
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to balance its belief with being more quote invitational when
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: dealing with staff and students who weren't Catholics. Specifically, he
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: said the guest speaker should have talked about the importance
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of standing up for your own principles in life, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: then he could have used the abortion as a topic
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: as an example of one of his principles. Nicko, I
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: wanted to ask you, isn't this what we call moral relativism.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: You've got your principles. I've got my principles, and as
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: long as everyone stands up for what they personally believe,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: then they're right. That's not Catholicism, that's moral relativism.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: No, I'll drop my principles so I could be more
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: invitational to you. Look, that's nonsense, you know. I mean,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: you've either got principles or you haven't. And on this issue,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: of course, for many Catholics, not just Catholics, many people
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: of faith, many people even who don't have faith, this
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: is a very, very threshold issue in terms of the
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: moral debate. You know, some of us just believe that
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: killing is wrong, and there are circumstances under which abortion
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: should be carried out, but it should be safe, legal,
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: and rare. And that's my view in particular. Others welcome
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: to disagree with me on that, but I think that
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: the Australian Catholic University, it has got the word Catholic
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: in the middle. You know, surely it should be absolutely
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: right and proper for somebody to demonstrate their commitment to
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: their principles, to stand up and state with absolute commitment
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: that that is their view, and sure invite others to
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: share their views. Fine, you can do that, but you
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: don't water down your own principles in order to make
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: other people feel comfortable, not on an issue like this, certainly,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: And isn't.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: That the whole point Stephen, that you know, if you
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: can go to a Catholic university or a Catholic church,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: they have their set of beliefs. It's not like, look,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: you can make it up and pick and choose what
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: you want. The point of a religion is here's the worldview.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: You subscribe to it or you don't, but you don't
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: just pick and choose.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, This whole episode with Joe de Bruin and staff
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: and students walking out of his speech has actually been
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: very useful because what it's doing is it's forcing the
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: Australian Catholic University to define itself. Over the years that's
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: employed many many staff members who are either just not
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: sympathetic with Catholic social views or positively and openly despising
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: of them. And now the Australian Catholic University is at
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: a point where it needs to decide is its identity
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: going to be defined by Catholic tradition or is its
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: identity going to be defined by those who are at
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: best indifferent to Catholic tradition or at worst absolutely despise it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: And so it's actually a helpful episode for the university
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: because it's all now out in the open how divided
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: internally the student body and the staff body is regarding
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: the identity of the university. And I think that the
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: university needs to actually set itself apart from mainstream universities
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: and take a stand, a very positive stand on its
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: Catholic social teachings, because it's got everything to be proud
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: about when it comes to those teachings. The Catholic Church
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: has a very philosophically robust and sophisticated history of discussing
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: ethics and social questions. It should stand by them, not
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: be ashamed of them, not be afraid to espouse them
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: at all.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: And if the Catholic university is like every other university.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: What's the point of a Catholic university? It becomes redundant
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: before I let both of you go away. I showed
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: some footage last night of a service station in Melbourne
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: being robbed by a gang of masked youths, and that's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: not the only scourge that's happening around the place. Bunnings
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: has released CCTV footage which shows workers being assaulted, threatened, punched,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: getting death threats all for just doing their jobs. The
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: rate of theft has gone through the roof, and these
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: big retailers Bunnings Kmart calls are now all calling for
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: permission to use facial recognition technology to catch offenders. Now,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Bunnings had been using the technology without permission a few
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: years ago and were recently reprimanded by the Privacy Commissioner,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: so they've stopped doing it, but now they want legislation
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: changed so they can do it legally very quickly. Nick
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: your thoughts, good move or an invasion of privacy that
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: we don't want?
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Well, facial recognition technology is an invasion of privacy full stop.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Bunnings present a reasonable case on the surface as to
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: why they should be able to use it, but we
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: know that they will always go further than what they say.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: We always know that they open the door with permission
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: to deal with this thing, and before you know it,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: they're using it for all sorts of things, you know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: to register who's coming in their store, what they're buying,
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: all that stuff, which I don't want them to know.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: So yes, no, I don't think we should give them
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: permission to use facial recognition technology. They should get by
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: with the technology they.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Already have.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Steven, if they promise not to abuse the technology, it's
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: going to keep staff safe.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: What's the problem? This is a good move. We want
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to look after staff right.
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: For sure, But as Nick said, there is a conflict
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: of ideals here and privacy and is an ideal that
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: you know, we do actually want to be able to
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: go places without everything, without our movements everywhere we go
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: being recorded. But also this kind of technology hands so
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: much power to corporations and it will hand so much
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: power to the state. Having said that, I do tend
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: to think that the use of this technology is going
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: to be inevitable. I think Australians will be generally pretty
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: relaxed about it, and so I think it's probably going
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: to be rolled out whether we like it or not.
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: But I basically agree with what Nick Kata has to say.
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: It's an issue of privacy and I don't think it
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: should be employed for these purposes.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Nick Kata, Stephen Shiva, thanks to both of you for
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: your time.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Earlier this month, the UK government banned the use of
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: puberty blockers to treat children suffering from gender dysphoria. Health
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Minister Where Streeting announced the ban after numerous medical reviews
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: found there was zero evidence that puberty blockers were safe
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: for kids.
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: After thoroughly examining all the available evidence, they have concluded
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: the prescribing puberty blockers to children for the purposes of
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: gender dysphoria in the current prescribing environment represents and I quote,
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: an unacceptable safety risk.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Now, the news was a bittersweet for Australian parents like Tes,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: who says she lost her daughter's transgender ideology. Her story
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: is told in a new book called Devastated, How gender
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: ideology is tearing Australian families apart, and Tes joins me, now, Tes,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: thanks for your time tonight. I read your story and
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I cannot describe how sad I was, as a parent
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: reading all that you've gone through. Your daughter came to
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: you when she was sixteen and told you she was
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a male trapped in a female body. Tell us what happened,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and as parents, how did you and your husband react?
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: So, in typical sort of teenage fashions, she made the
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: announcement while I was cooking dinner, so, you know, middle
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: of peak hour kind of thing. We'd had a big year,
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: We should had a lot of the been a lot
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: of lead up to this, but yeah, twenty sixteen, You've
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: got to understand that there wasn't a lot around for
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: people to research. You know, there'd been some sort of
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: She had a friend who was transitioning, who she was
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: actually going out with, so I'd heard the term, but
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: I genuinely thought at the time that it meant inter sex.
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: So she came out and she said, you know, I'm
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: a male trapped in a female body, and so I
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: thought that she meant that she had, you know, like
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: a sexual dysfunction disorder or something, So you know, I
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: sort of said to her, well, how can you be trapped,
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: you know, in a female in a female body? You
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: know you're a woman, you're you know, you've gone through puberty,
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: you've you know, you're sixteen. You know, everything's developed normally
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: and stuff. You know, we would have picked that up
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: a long time ago and you would have had other issues,
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: you know, but that was it. So, you know, we
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: were we were shocked. We didn't really know what to do.
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: So we went and saw our GP because we sort
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: of thought we need a little bit, you know, more
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: help with this, and the GP basically just said, look,
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: you got to go to the gender clinic. They're going
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: to do a lot of investigation. There's going to be
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: specialists in things, and so that's what you know, we
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: took the GP advice and that's what we did. So
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: we were put on a waiting list then for the
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: child gender clinic.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you end up at a youth gender clinic.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: How did they guide your daughter and how did they
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: treat you as parents?
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: It was it was interesting. I fell down the rabbit
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: hole that day. Up until that point, I kind of
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: believed in medical care. I believed we were going to
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: actually have some investigations. So we sat in a room
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: with the clinic nurse first, not the actual not the
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: actual specialists at all, and you know, they went through.
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: We've got a sheet which would look like something like
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: at a primary school kind of level, sort of you know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: information sheet, very very basic questions about side effects and stuff.
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: Luckily I'd already done quite a lot of research. We
• 29:56
  Speaker 10: were sitting there and I mean, you've got to understand
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: the stress of having your chi that you're trying to
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: keep on side with this, and you know, because there'd
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: been already so much information about you know as parental
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: estrangement and things, so you're trying to keep this parent
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: on this child on side, and you know, the nurse
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: comes out, says all this stuff and then says, ah,
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: so what do you think about if we start you
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: on puberty blockers today? And I sat there thinking, what
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: do you mean you're you're the clinic nurse. You know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: how are you like, aren't we supposed to be saying, oh, yes,
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: you can see them later, but you know, if you're
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: in agreement, we can sort of stay you on today.
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: And so, you know, it's a bit of a tough
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: situation sitting there so thinking how am I going to
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: answer this without getting my daughter on side. So I
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: just sort of said, look, we have concerns, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: we cook and do everything from scratch with sort of
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: more into natural sort of health. You know, I don't
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: agree with, you know, putting her onto something quite dangerous
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: like that. And plus she's already past puberty. She's gone
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: through puberty, so what was she being, you know, being
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: put on puberty blockers for sort of went oh, yeah, actually,
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: you're right, she goes, we might just start you directly
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: on cross sex hormones, and that was it. So it
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: was it was like it was already a done deal
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: from the moment you get the referral, the confirmation of
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: appointment letter, it's already mentions the son, not your daughter.
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: It mentions the you know, your child's new name and everything.
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: I didn't realize up until that point that it was
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: already a done deal. We did go through with the
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: next appointment, and we went and saw psychiatrists and psychologists.
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: My daughter had had trauma which had led to all this,
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: and the psychiatrist actually said to us, look, you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: trauma's got nothing to do with gender dysphoria. I used
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: the analogy of anorexi. You know, I'd had a bit
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: of experience in my past with a friend who had anorexia,
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: and I said, you know, isn't this the same thing
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: You wouldn't offer an anorexic, you know, diet pills or
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: gastric bandy. You know, like this is the same thing.
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: And honestly, they nearly they had a fit that you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: how Dore you you know, better a life son than
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: a dead daughter. You know, you're you know, you can't
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: say that it's nothing to do with mental illness. Your
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: daughter's sorry, your son has always been this way. It
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: was just a completely surreal experience.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of things you've said that have piqued
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: my attention, one being you're seeming to say that they
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: were recommending cross sex hormones before your daughter had even
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: been to see a psychologist about trauma that she had
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: had prior to believing she was a man trapped in
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: a woman's body.
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: Yes, exactly, so that they actually said trauma has nothing
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: you know, trauma has got nothing to do with anything
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: to do with genderdice for it, and for me that
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: it just seemed really wrong. I mean, she'd been a
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: perfectly normal, very you know, very gender normal sort of
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: teenager until that point. She danced, she like makeup, she
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: like boys, you know, all of this sort of stuff,
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: and then this happened and her personality changed completely and
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: so drastically, and things got work.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And so how far did your daughter end up going
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: with the sex change.
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: She's gone pretty well all the way. So she's been
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: on as far as I know, she's been on hormones
• 33:11
  Speaker 10: now since she was eighteen, so seven years now.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm trying. I've got teenage kids myself. I'm trying
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: to understand as a parent watching this, and it sounds
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: like you were almost a passenger in this journey, that
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: you really were reduced to a spectator whose objections were
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: pretty much dismissed. I can't imagine how you would have
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: felt with your husband watching this happen to your girl.
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: There was just a complete loss of control, I mean,
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: a complete loss of any faith in humanity, society, medicine.
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: We had, you know, we had activists come to our
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: house try to take our daughter, and you know, the
• 33:50
  Speaker 10: police wouldn't help, so you know, we lost faith in
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: the police. I mean, it was literally everything. And I
• 33:55
  Speaker 10: wouldn't have even said a passenger. I would have said
• 33:57
  Speaker 10: the person dangling on a cord on the back of
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: the car two kilometers down the road that they were
• 34:02
  Speaker 10: desperately trying to shake off. Would be my analogy. You
• 34:05
  Speaker 10: using that we weren't a part of it at or
• 34:08
  Speaker 10: they did not care.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: You said that you were told by therapists that you
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: should prefer a live son yes to a dead daughter,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the message being that if you didn't support your child
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: having a sex change, you'd be responsible for their suicide.
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, And it's something that we're here again and again
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: and again. I mean, when the activists came to her house,
• 34:28
  Speaker 10: my daughter was taken for get a long story, but
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: you can read it in the book. She was taken
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: for a psych evaluation and the social workers at the hospital.
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: We were interviewed by several social workers and that's what
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: they kept saying. Better alive son than a dead daughter.
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: And I said, but you know, she's not even depressed.
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: What do you mean? You know, how can why are
• 34:46
  Speaker 10: you sort of saying that you know she needs a
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: trauma therapy definitely, you know, to help her move on.
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: But you know, jumping and doing this is not going
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: to help her. It's just kind of covering it up.
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: You know, it was actually enabling her to hide in
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: plain sight, which is not healthy for anyone.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: How's your child who's now an adult doing, and how's
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the relationship between you and your child?
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: She cut off tires. It's coming up five years when
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: we found out through her go fundme page. I mean,
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: since she transitioned and the trans community here helped her
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: to run away and stuff. She only called out when
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: she actually needed help. And of course, you know, when
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: she'd got kicked out of accommodation or you know, something
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: had happened and she needed assistance, she'd call me. The
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: rest of the time, it was just basically no contact.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Obviously, we're coming up to Christmas. You haven't had contact
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: with her for a number of years. You say, if
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: she was watching tonight, what would you say to your girl?
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: I still love you.
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: It breaks my heart all the time.
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 35:46
  Speaker 10: The hard thing for parents is, you know, in my
• 35:48
  Speaker 10: situation is you know, if you've got a child that
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: it's a drug addict or you know, an alcoholic or something,
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: you can talk about this. You know nobody's going to
• 35:56
  Speaker 10: accuse you of being abusive or anything like this. I mean,
• 36:00
  Speaker 10: all of the parents, like me, we just love our kids.
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: We want them to be safe, we want them to
• 36:04
  Speaker 10: be happy. We don't want them to have a future
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: with you know, all sorts of health conditions that they
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: didn't you know, they weren't likely to have beforehand. So yeah,
• 36:12
  Speaker 10: please get in contact.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: As a as a parent who's been through this, and
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: you're one of many parents speaking out in this newly
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: released book, what would you say to Australian politicians.
• 36:26
  Speaker 10: Look, we need an inquiry. We need I mean, we
• 36:29
  Speaker 10: were so excited about you know, the cast review coming
• 36:31
  Speaker 10: out and things like that, but it's been completely ignored,
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: which it shouldn't have been. But we need an independent inquiry.
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: And I mean there's so much capture within the medical system,
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: within the court system and everything. I don't know how
• 36:41
  Speaker 10: that would even happen in Australia because everyone is completely
• 36:45
  Speaker 10: completely biased against you know, for transitioning. So I don't
• 36:49
  Speaker 10: know how that would happen, But we need an inquiry.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: The book is called Devastated How Gender Ideology is Tearing
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Australian Families Apart. People can get it from binary dot
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: org dot au website and it's being released on Amazon shortly. Tess,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for speaking out tonight. I really appreciate your time
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: and certainly wish you and all of your family the
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: very best for Christmas.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 37:10
  Speaker 10: I really appreciate the opportunity. We've been screaming into a
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: void for so long. It's amazing to have the opportunity
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: to share the information, you know. And if there's any
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: other parents out there facing what I'm facing, contact Binary.
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: They can put you that you know, put you in
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: touch with me because there are other parents and there
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: are networks to support. So yeah, please reach out.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: To your heart really goes out to everyone involved, doesn't It.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break one of those things that
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: makes you go hmmm. And new investigation reveals just how
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: many mining projects, compared to renewables projects, are being targeted
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: by Aboriginal heritage protection applications. I'll outline a very curious
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: situation after the break.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: The legal fight for a one billion dollar gold mine
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: in New South Wales is underway, but earlier this year,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Environment Minister Tenure plitusk blocked the development of the gold
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: mine near Orange because it would apparently cause irreversible and
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: permanent loss to Aboriginal heritage, by which I mean, of course,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the blue branded be dreaming story. Now, the mine owners
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: had consulted with numerous local Aboriginal communities, none of which
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: opposed the mine, and even the Orange Local Aboriginal Land
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Council as well as the New South Wales Aboriginal Land
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Council were happy for the mind to go ahead, but
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: it was blocked on the word of just a single
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Origary elder who claimed the area was, as I said,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: connected to a previously unheard dreaming story of a blue
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: banded be New South Wales Premier Chris Mins was spot
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: on when he had this to say at the time
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: about the decision.
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  Speaker 11: I've said, mister cher, I'm disappointed by the decision from
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: the Commonwealth Government. The application was made in twenty nineteen,
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: It's gone through the Independent Planning and Assessment Committee Commission
• 38:59
  Speaker 11: as well as every other government department in New South
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  Speaker 11: Wales and to be knocked over at the eleventh hour
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: is disappointing in terms of mining gold and other critical
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: minerals in New South Wales, which we desperately need because
• 39:14
  Speaker 11: coal mining is under pressure, particularly when it comes to
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: de export markets.
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  Speaker 2: So now a new investigation by the Daily Telegraph has
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: revealed some really interesting figures about these indigenous heritage protection claims.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: It's found these claims have heavily targeted mining companies compared
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: to renewable projects. Joining me now is Shadow Environment Minister
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Dunham John O. Since twenty twelve, New South Wales
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: has had thirty mining and pipeline projects targeted by indigenous
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: cultural conservation claims.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: But guess how many renewable.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Projects were targeted just two? Coincidence or is something going
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: on here?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 39:57
  Speaker 12: I smell a rat, James, can I tell you? And
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: in the good old days, green activists used to just
• 40:03
  Speaker 12: chain themselves to bulldozers and dangerous equipment or in forestry
• 40:08
  Speaker 12: groups and mining sites, you name it. But they've moved
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: from frontline activity like that to the courtroom and all
• 40:15
  Speaker 12: they do now is exploit loopholes or gaps in the
• 40:18
  Speaker 12: law to try and bring the end to proposed projects
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: like the mcfilm is gold Mine. And so it's the
• 40:25
  Speaker 12: same people who've been doing the same thing for thirty
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: forty fifty years, in some cases professional protesters who oppose
• 40:32
  Speaker 12: projects no matter how good they might be. And in
• 40:34
  Speaker 12: the case of the mcfilm is gold Mine, eight hundred jobs,
• 40:37
  Speaker 12: a billion dollars of economic activity, much needed resources in
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: the way of critical minerals gold, for example, all on
• 40:45
  Speaker 12: the back of some dreaming story intangible cultural heritage on
• 40:49
  Speaker 12: a tiny patch of land in central west New South Wales.
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: It is rather telling that so many mining and resources
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: projects have been targeted but nothing, nothing really in the
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: way of renewables projects. It does point to it being
• 41:03
  Speaker 12: an ideological pursuit rather than one based on fact or
• 41:06
  Speaker 12: actual cultural heritage.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: So, I mean if we just take you know, the
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: government's transmission line project in New South Wales, three hundred
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: and sixty five kilometers of transmission lines passing through farms
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: and communities, and yet somehow not a single Aboriginal heritage
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: claim seeking to stop at all of those transmission lines.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Not a single claim. How's it happen?
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: It is rather passing strange, isn't it? James.
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: You know, you have this tiny patch of land, and
• 41:37
  Speaker 12: as Chris Mins and other labor ministers have said themselves,
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: after exhaustive state and federal processes, a tiny patch of
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: land they managed to turn up in tangible that is
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: not able to be touched Aboriginal cultural heritage, which prevented
• 41:51
  Speaker 12: this mining project from going ahead. And I have to say,
• 41:55
  Speaker 12: without being disrespectful, I am rather skeptical about that, but yes,
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: you can cut great swathes through farmland, forests, public and
• 42:04
  Speaker 12: crown reserves to pay the way for transmissions lines for
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: these renewables projects, or indeed decapitate mountains in order to
• 42:16
  Speaker 12: install wind turbines, and you won't find a skeeric in
• 42:19
  Speaker 12: hundreds of if not thousands of hectares of lands impacted
• 42:22
  Speaker 12: of cultural heritage.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: As I say, there is an agenda here, and.
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: It is people who have been opposed to these projects
• 42:29
  Speaker 12: from the beginning who've just found a new way of
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: starming projects and achieving their end and progressing their agenda,
• 42:37
  Speaker 12: which is something that comes at great cost to the
• 42:40
  Speaker 12: mums and dads who can't pay their power bills, are
• 42:42
  Speaker 12: struggling to pay their mortgages, and want jobs for their kids.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: But it's this crowd who are stopping all of that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: It's pretty obvious, I think, to most thinking people, exactly
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: what's happening. Thanks for outlining it, Forest, Jonathan Dunham, appreciate
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: your time. Well, let's head over now where time seems
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: to be running out for Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: or is that Governor Trudeau. A number of his MPs
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: are now openly urging him to resign, and Donald Trump
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: isn't helping either. He tweeted, quote, it would be a
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: great idea for Canada to become the fifty first US state.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Many Canadians want Canada to become the fifty first state.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea. Fifty first state joining
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: me is Brad versus everyone. Podcast host Brad Palumbo, Brad,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: no one trolls better than Donald Trump. Just tell us
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: how we got to this point with Canada being proposed
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: as the fifty first state of the United States. And secondly,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: how much longer can Governor Trudeau survive?
• 43:49
  Speaker 13: Well, it's hilarious trolling from Trump. This is one of
• 43:52
  Speaker 13: those things. We've got a lot of tension between Canada
• 43:55
  Speaker 13: and the US with Trump coming in because of a
• 43:57
  Speaker 13: lot of economic disputes and all trade policy and different things.
• 44:01
  Speaker 13: And Trudeau actually hit out at Trump recently for his
• 44:04
  Speaker 13: trade policies. So this is just his way of clapping back.
• 44:08
  Speaker 13: And look, if anybody else said this, you'd be like, Wow,
• 44:11
  Speaker 13: what a crazy thing to say. But Trump, it's just hilarious.
• 44:16
  Speaker 13: It's just brilliant. Every time I see this, it makes
• 44:19
  Speaker 13: me laugh out loud because it's simultaneously pegs Canada and
• 44:24
  Speaker 13: pegs Trudeau for his self importance and kind of belittles
• 44:27
  Speaker 13: him in this unseerious way. Obviously, we are not going
• 44:31
  Speaker 13: to colonize Canada anytime soon, I don't think. But he's
• 44:35
  Speaker 13: kind of putting Trudeau back in his place and reminding
• 44:38
  Speaker 13: him that his own country has very serious problems and
• 44:42
  Speaker 13: his own political leadership is seemingly built on a house
• 44:46
  Speaker 13: of cards that could collapse at any moment. So maybe
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: don't complain about Trump or throw shade our way, because
• 44:53
  Speaker 13: he'll troll you. And then that's the thing. I've seen
• 44:55
  Speaker 13: a lot of people outraged about this. How dare Trump
• 44:59
  Speaker 13: say this? And it's like, at this point, so many
• 45:01
  Speaker 13: years into his political career, if you're still getting upset
• 45:05
  Speaker 13: over these funny kind of troll things, you just don't
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: get the Trump phenomenon. Like there's things to agree or
• 45:12
  Speaker 13: disagree with him on, but this is so not something
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: to be outraged about. I find it absolutely hilarious.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too, Joe Biden, Speaking of hilarious, Brad
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: has finally broken his silence on those mysterious drones swarming
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: parts of the US This comes after Trump yesterday called
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: out the lack of information, but Joe Biden, he was
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: on the case today.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Nothing the furious apparently, but they checking it all out.
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: There's a lot of drones authorized you up down.
• 45:44
  Speaker 13: I think you weren't started.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And they all guys.
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: Everybody's wanting to get in their deal.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: But we'll following the quotes, Brad, do you think that's
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: going to allay people's fears. I wouldn't take much comfort
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: from anything Biden says, but especially from that.
• 46:00
  Speaker 13: I'm not sure Biden knows what a drone actually is.
• 46:04
  Speaker 13: I would love to hear him try to explain that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 13: But now this is incoherent word salad. And honestly, it's
• 46:10
  Speaker 13: just the latest an ongoing national disgrace that this guy
• 46:14
  Speaker 13: is not up for the job. We've known it for years.
• 46:17
  Speaker 13: He's been on autopilot. Other people have been running our country,
• 46:21
  Speaker 13: and now we have drones flying over US States, scaring people,
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: and the government won't tell us what they are, but
• 46:29
  Speaker 13: also insists they're not a threat. And if you don't
• 46:32
  Speaker 13: know what they are, or at least you refuse to
• 46:34
  Speaker 13: tell us, how do you also know they're not a threat? No,
• 46:37
  Speaker 13: we have a credibility crisis in our government and in
• 46:41
  Speaker 13: our leadership right now in the federal government with the
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: Biden administration. So stuff like this is escalating and people
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: are genuinely terrified. And I don't blame them because they
• 46:52
  Speaker 13: don't trust the government to be honest with them. It
• 46:55
  Speaker 13: lied to us throughout COVID, it about inflation, about the border,
• 46:59
  Speaker 13: about so many other things, and they don't trust it
• 47:01
  Speaker 13: to be able to do its job and simply be
• 47:05
  Speaker 13: up to date with threats and actually know what's going on.
• 47:07
  Speaker 13: Because we've got a dude who looks like he barely
• 47:09
  Speaker 13: remembers what he had for breakfast. Try to tell us
• 47:13
  Speaker 13: he understands ongoing crisises across our country with drones. I'm
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: not buying it, and I think all of us should
• 47:21
  Speaker 13: be ready to see Uncle Joe put out to pasture
• 47:25
  Speaker 13: because he does not belong with the nuclear codes. He
• 47:28
  Speaker 13: belongs enjoying a retirement somewhere, And that was clear many
• 47:31
  Speaker 13: many years ago.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: At this point, Brad really quickly to finish.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I've always liked jd Vance, but he's just done something
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: to make me like him even more. A New York
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Times reader wrote to the paper and complained, my neighbor
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: won't stop praying for me.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: What should I do?
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: This neighbor is apparently a sweet friend, a caring person,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: but very religious and frequently praise for the reader who
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: is an atheist. Will jd Vance offered this advice, accept
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: it as a sweet gesture and stop being a widow,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: or consider that the woman praying for her neighbors has
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: it more figured out than the person whining to the paper.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Jd Vance just won my vote in twenty twenty eight.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: What a brilliant response.
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: It is brilliant and honestly, we've just got an epidemic
• 48:13
  Speaker 13: in this country of people who want to be victims.
• 48:16
  Speaker 13: Accept the next gesture and move on with your day.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Brad Palumbo, always enjoyed to speak with you. Thanks for
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: your time tonight, look forward to chatting with you again.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: That's it from us stick around. Coming up is the
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Late Debate