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The Twilight Of Democracy In UK Councils- Madeleine Hunt · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon, and welcome to UK Column. I'm delighted to be joined this
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afternoon by Madeline Hunt, who's the general secretary from the Heritage Party. So
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without any more Ado, let's bring you on screen. Madeline, thank you
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very much for joining me. Thank you very much for having me on your
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program. This is a real pleasure. So I hope we're going to have
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an interesting conversation. We're definitely going to have an interesting conversation. And well,
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let's share with the audience that the little trail start. We've dealt with
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the Heritage Party before, as I'll share it a little bit in just a
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moment. But you sent us an email and that resulted in us speaking on
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the speaking on a telephone call, and very quickly you started to talk about
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what you saw happening in you UK, and your base of experience was that
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you're Polish and you're seeing things that you remembered from Poland, and this resulted
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in a fascinating conversation. We're definitely going to get back on that. But
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first of all, I've got to ask you what is the lovely picture of
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the ship that's behind you. It's actually wallpaper, but it's about three meters
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per two meters and it's a big frame, so it's created the impression of
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massive, massive painting. But it's a wallpaper. It's a old map.
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Okay, right, that's lovely. And you've just told me that you're down
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there in Cornwall and the weather is not very good, so you don't have
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to say exactly where you live, but what parts of Cornwall are you in?
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South Cornell? Yesterday was really beautiful and sunny. Today we go back
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to the autumn unfortunately. And I also have a dog which is German shepherd
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of long hair, and trust me, this is a nightmare. They ca
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him for a walk here in the Skawad conduction by for hours. Yes,
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who's going to deal with the wet dog? And they always come in and
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shape themselves the moment they come in through the door, and I know this
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one very well. Well, look, let's just give the audience a bit
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of an introduction. I'm only going to mention these and of course you can
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tell us more. But there's put the Heritage Party up on screen. I
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just took this little screenshot from your website and it says the Heritage Party was
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formed in twenty twenty to defend our heritage and restore our nation and then our
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adds that last year I was able to speak to David Curtain, the leader
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of the party. We had a very interesting chat and people can see that
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interview by just searching for UK Column meets the Heritage Party on the UK Column
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website, and we have actually mentioned Heritage Party in other places, and so
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I've just brought this image up on screen, so if people search for David
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Curtain by name, some of the other things will come up where we were
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talking. And I also thought it was important that we showed a few of
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the key figures. Not everybody, but I was able to show David Curtain
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here, David Griffiths, the Scottish Heritage Party co coordinator, Glenn Bett,
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who's the Heritage Party Northern Ireland coordinator, and top right, your good self
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Madeline as the general secretary. So before we get into deep issues, would
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you like to just tell us a bit about the Heritage Party and how things
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stand at the moment and what you're all trying to achieve. The most important
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thing about the Heritage Artist is the only party of common sense, and I
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really mean that the our party having members from all of the world really they
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are British, but you know they are with different backgrounds. So when people
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calling us not very nice names that we are racists or we are Nazis,
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whatever, it's completely nonsense because we have people with all sort of sort of
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background in our party. It is a party of common sense. As I
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mentioned already, we follow the facts, we follow the history. So I
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think we are the only party who are really targeting the local issues. Any
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other party doesn't target local issues, and the local issues is the main issue
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what we really focus on. It's have a very basic principles. As manifesto
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based on the basic principles is follow Christianity, but it's not really a religion
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driven party. Is based on the Christian principles really well, the local principles.
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I understand that one because many many years ago I did have a go
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at standing for election as a parliamentary candidate here in Plymouth. That it was
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a fascinating experience and I learned a lot canvassing and what people said to you
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and how they react to you, and also the hard work of walking around
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a constituency to deliver leaflets and canvassing material is very very hard work. But
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at one point I was talking to a man who I've known for a long
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time, and he's he's he had and still has a lot of experience in
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the local council political area as a counselor. And I mentioned something, you
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know, that I thought was important and I always remember what he said.
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He looked at me and he said, no, no, Brian, it's
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the potholes in the road which are important. And then he clarified that by
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saying that you can talk about the bigger issues all you like, but what
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really hits home to people is what is affecting them in their local environment,
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what is effect acting them in their village, what effects them when they drive
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down the road. And that's something I've never forgotten, that local issues when
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it comes to elections are really important. What sort of what sort of issues
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do people react to? Can you tell us some of the things that get
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people fired up. I don't know even how to even start this, because
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since since you was talking to this man, many things change in the local
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council local structure, and this is the this is the thing that we talk
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about a lot to They were trying to talk to people because the system,
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the great recess system, what we know is actually a call now devolution,
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and that the councilor you remember, which was only pocusing on very very local
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issue like the potholes and collection of rubbish, that those councils doesn't exist anymore.
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The lowest level of the Council at the moment are talking about the client
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emergence, they're talking about LGBT, they're talking about global issues. So people
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are not really aware that the big decisions which we see from the Parliament first
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of all starting the local issue because the Council have to adopt and approve any
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kind of proposal, is coming from the top. So when people seeing,
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of course the issue, what we can hear about locally is what people seeing
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what is affecting their lives every day. So at the moment, for example,
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it's the problem of trees being destroyed everywhere, and this is one hundreds
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and hundreds of trees. The green belt is just disappearing front in our eyes.
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But everyone seems to blame the central government for doing this, but in
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fact this is the responsibility of the council, not like years ago, and
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probably they have the instruction from the top to do something. At the moment,
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this is the responsibility of the Council, and this is very important for
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people to realize that we're living in the system which is practically the community system.
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It's it's it's nothing different because the devolution based on the same principles and
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it's based practically on the same manifesto, and that the issues whatever we see
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issue with the immigration, for example, we blame central government. Again it's
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a particular personal we targetting a particular name in the central government. But we
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probably realize a few months ago that the government was saying no more immigrants because
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we have too many people at the moment, and at the same time we
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saw more and more people being located in our area everywhere around UK and that's
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because again we're going back to devolution, because the government is sociding one thing,
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and then the Council is collaborating with the angios, which are which are
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collaborating with the United Nations and the global Angios have the small and you're luckily
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different names, but they are still connected and they agreeing about locating people in
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a particular area. So they completely ignore the government when the government is saying
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we really don't want any more people, because they accepting these people under completely
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different conditioning the different department. You can actually say, so it's no longer
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immigration is under the Human Aid and similar. Excuse us, Madeline, you've
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I'm very glad you have, because you've jumped straight into giving that answer.
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You've jumped straight into this core issue that the policies that are affecting people now
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often very badly. We can look at central government and we can say,
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yes, the government has done this, but the implementation of those policies is
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being done at very local level and there's only one place to look for the
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blame there, and that is local councils. And yes, I didn't say
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UK columnies has also been aware of the fact that the policy has come straight
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down from the highest levels u N direct to local authorities. In many occasions
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might have had the EU as a stepping stone, but u N through to
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local councils and then the local councils are enacting the policy without any real consultation
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with local people and local rate payers. And this, as you say,
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is a big change in the way that councils work. They've become part of
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a political network. It's become worse and worse every day because they developing the
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devolution, which is the leveling cup. We hear a lot about leveling cup
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and that's just a consultation. The most important part of making any changes,
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you know, in the political system. Local political system should be consulted with
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people, and of course they are not so for example, at the moment
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I give different example. As a party, we have our councilors. We
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have nine councilors on the parish level of UK across the play, which is
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really good. One of our councilors a few months ago, because we were
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studied the subject of the devolution, which was started by pushed by Tony Blair,
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he admits, you know about very well, Brian, because we've done
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several programs about the subject. But Tony Blair was obsessed with Marxism Press,
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completely obsessed with Trotsky permanent Revolution. So he pushed the devolution forward successfully in
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the beginning, but you know, gradually graduated that was pushing this and pushing
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this forward. This is a very very long subject. I can't really go
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to detail, so I'm trying to just squeeze everything in some particular thing that
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will be easy to understand. So we mentioned the devolution on the council meeting
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our consider mentioned the devolution and that she said. She said, so when
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we're going to introduce these to people, because this is serious changes in the
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government system, and the old Counctill went extremely upset with her, extremely upset.
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They said, you are not allowed to talk to people about devolution.
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This is years and years before this is going to happen, so you are
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not allowed. Two months ago you are not allowed to talk to the public
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about devolution. A month later they signed the devolution to become Union and now
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we have the consultation online. Nobody is informed about this and the consultation of
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course is misleading because as I mentioned before, the devolution is practically the same
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like the communist manifesta. So the way how it's introduced is absolutely lovely,
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very much like the like the future world under one or government. Everything is
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just so christiane and wonderful. So that's how they introducing the devolution to us
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as well. So people don't really know if even if they will be informed
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of the consultation. They don't really know what they are approached with. And
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funnily enough, we ask Councilor a few days ago because they put the deadline
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the end of March in our area. We ask him why nobody know first
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of all, why nobody knows about the consultation. Secondly, why you haven't
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explained the devolution to anyone. So the leader answer was, we couldn't really
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explain the people because we don't have a counselors who understand evolution. So they
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need to train counselors in a few months who will understand the devolution. Meanwhile,
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we have a deadline for a consultation in the end of this month.
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So that's how they how they work. It is important because they're getting Devolution
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itself means the transfer of power and funds from the central government to local government.
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This is the system what was in Poland. This is the system that
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was in Russia. This is the system of the communist country was run with
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the kind of devolution. What we're going through at the moment, it's on
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the level of socialist system. And we know people who know a little bit
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about March is they know that socialists is the one the first level to the
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communists. So this is the moment when you have kind of revolution. They're
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creating fake conflict, They putting people against each other. They create unions and
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then they create a picture of people getting together. The slogans they will be
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the same slogans, together we are stronger. And this is the time when
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they create this revolutiontionary movements everywhere. So it is like a transformation when the
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you can say working working groups, worker unions, farmer unions, they trying
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to create put these people together, take the power from the government to people.
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Except this is delusional because in the new system, in the development system,
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in the councils, the elected councilor is not going to have anything to
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say. They at the moment, it is fifty five councils who signed for
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they call the community boards. They're going to replace the council boards, and
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they're not going to be elected. They're going to be just chosen by the
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chair and they supposed to represent a member of particular community. So in the
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system, the evolution says the community doesn't mean us. The communities already exist,
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they already collaborate. Thank you very much for that excellent explanation. I
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have a thousand different questions in my head now before before we go on to
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the topic that you've just gone through. You are Polish. I'd like to
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just set the scene with you as much as you'll tell us about yourself,
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because you've come into this country with the experience of a different country, Poland,
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and now there are certain things you can see happening in this country.
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You can see it very clearly because of your knowledge and experience in Poland.
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So for people they have never I have never been to Poland. People who've
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never been to Poland, just give us a little bit about, if you
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will, about your background and your life in Poland and on what you did
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experience there. I came to UK in eighties, so I was still very
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young, and when I was younger and I was a student, I take
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part in the London in London in the Polish underground, which was called Solidarity.
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Solidarity was a proper movement which became in the end you can say political
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party because we in Poland after the war. Again, I will have to
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just make the story short. After the war, they we have a devolution
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system. Okay, we have a non community system, we have a social
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system. So there was gradually going to the direction of community system. And
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of course after the war the country was completely destroyed. So very much like
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after lockdown, people the first of the first time when they felt the war,
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Oh, we are free again, have to build back better our countries.
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So we have the slogans before as well, and very quickly people realize
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that the build back better is not really building back better, but it's actually
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going to the completely different direction. To the point when I think I'm trying
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to find things, which was extremely simil what is happening here. So to
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the point when we have a historic buildings which wasn't touched and destroyed by the
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war, and that was many of historic buildings which would be restored, the
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decision was to demolish them, not because there was danger, but because it
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was destroying the culture. They was trying to get rid of any kind of
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heritage and whatever our ancestors done because there was building better world. So that's
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the first thing that is very much, very much the same that we can
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see how they demolishing historic building, how they're trying to destroy the culture,
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how they're trying to destroy any kind of tradition. So that's what was happening
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in Poland. I grew up in this very big pressure. I was actually
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very young at this point, so I saw different kinds of regime in Poland
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when I was when I was very little. I still remember the Gomuka that
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was the name of the first first you can say this is something like a
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prime minister, but in fact this is an officer secretary secretary of state and
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he was a proper Communist that the Communists they couldn't go through with the commun
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Is how they pushed this forward in different countries because Poland was very very religious
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country, very Christian, deep religious people. So the kind of theology or
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they was trying to push on the nation, it wasn't really possible to do
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it very quickly. So then in seventies we have a slightly better time,
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but only from the prism of but we can do better shopping, The shops
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look better. We have we have bananas, for example, which was completely
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impossible to having before. But because because of the visual improvement, the depts
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follow. So this is another thing what was done on purpose to put the
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country in the very deep debts because then people feeling credi guilty and they can
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visualize that, oh yeah, we have the depts because we want a better
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life, so we rather go back to some primitive life and just build back
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the country again. So that's what is happening at the moment is well,
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we're putting our country in big debts because they're pushing the they pushing the devolution.
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It's extremely complicated, so I'm trying to somehow make this understandable. Anyway,
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when I was a teenager, I can see the same kind of educational
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program with Tony Blair push forward the reform program, when they was trying to
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kill an identity, the ban of home education. Because we had a socialist
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we didn't have a communist We have a still private sector, so they couldn't
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really stop people from having home education. But how they stopped. They simply
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allowed people to have a home education, but more like a hobby. Because
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whatever you learn at home, it wouldn't give anyone a diploma that wouldn't be
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accepted in any kind of exams. So the state education was still obligatory.
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Nobody said that we are not allowed to have a private education, but the
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state of recuations of the gatory. Another thing, for example, how they
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was killing the culture. I am an artist and in the Academy of Art,
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they practically didn't teach art. They was teaching abstract. They didn't like
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people painting real things because simply they want to kill the debt. In they
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also create lots of fake professions, very much like like they're doing now,
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Like you know, gender is this a fake profession that shouldn't really exist and
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we have the same the same impoland. By creating these fake professions, they
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destroyed the agriculture Polish farming for example, farmers who didn't want to comply to
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the to the system that was introducing very much like here, collectivism was practically
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destroyed because they didn't have anyone to help them. They introduced the fake profession,
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free young generation and allowed the minority to have social points to to go
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to the university. So at this point, the families which was running farms
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for example, or small businesses or generation after generation, they didn't have anyone
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to take this over because their children that's like, oh, you know what,
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I am not going to do that. I'm going to become a lawyer.
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I'm going to become an expert in something else. So the people who
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complain to the system was fine because they went for a collectivism. So that
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wasn't fine because they lost everything that you know that they didn't have any private
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possession anymore. But people who who oppose to the community system, there was
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destroyed in different ways, exactly the way how they introduced in the snow.
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So practically the good example. Another good example will be if you if you
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didn't join the only one political party was existing in Poland, because that was
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a game that was a free choice, you can join or not. But
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that was very much if you can compare this to anything, that would be
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very much like the vaccination, no job, no job, So that was
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very much the same ideology. If you don't if you don't belong to the
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party, to the workers party, you're not going to have the points to
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go to the universe that you're not going to have a points to have a
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better shopping, you're not going to never have any good position in your profession.
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Another thing, what is very similar because now we have this attack on
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the white people. Practically we had the attack on the middle class in Poland
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and they was trying and that was destroying middle class implant by letting up bringing
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the working class up, the and the intelligent the middle class down. But
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it wasn't a nice balance. That was a proper community system. When the
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people with some proper education, lawyers again which from the generation family of lawyers
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with the firms they had no possibility to educate that the children's at the university.
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If you came from the family familiar with the middle class background, you
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have lower social points, so it was automatically on the bottom of the list
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if you want a higher education. So they saw everything, they turn everything
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around like they're doing this now here. It's exactly the same system, even
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the lockdown. That's that's a good one because you know when we have the
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lockdown here, when you saw the restriction and everyone could check this if you
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check thirteen December ninety I think that was ninety eighty. That was civil war
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in Poland because people had enough after forty years. And if you check the
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restriction on the lockdown page, even on the wikopedy, that would be exactly
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the same what we have here with the pandemic. It's a lot to talk.
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It's a lot to talk. I can. I can very clearly see
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that you know, I'm going through the same system, and for me,
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it's extremely frustrating, extremely fast shaping to see that people don't know. I'm
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trying to explain this. You know, however, it is possible, but
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the system is progressing, so every day I have more to explain and more
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to explain, and its become very difficult at the moment, Madeline, you've
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done a really good job in the things you've been explaining so far, so
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don't be too hard on yourself. And I'll say that this is something also
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that we all hear UK column have to deal with because there are a lots
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of people saying we don't talk about that, and we don't talk about this,
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and why don't you talk about something else? And we say, because
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you can't give everybody everything at one go. You have to take them up
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steps of learning. Maybe you only go two steps in the beginning, and
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then you go three, and then you go four, and then people start
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to be researching themselves and they discover things for yourself, but you can't.
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You can't give them ever a thing in one go. And if well,
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from my experience is if you try to do that, that's when the wall
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goes up and people tend to push you, push you away a bit.
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So but you've done a very good job of explaining. I just wanted to
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echo a couple of things back as you were doing it, because you mentioned
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good old Tony Blair and I have to say I wasn't aware of his Communist
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leaning, so that that was very interesting to me. But I was fully
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aware of John Prescott, who, of course in the early days was the
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Deputy Prime Minister. And John Prescott, who many people in UK saw as
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the you know, the hard left Labor Party man he was he was actually
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a Maoist when you looked into his political ideology, and it was John Prescott's
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office of the Deputy Prime Minister that was promoting facilitating the work of what I
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call the political charity Common Purpose, that was doing many of the things that
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you're describing. So I'm going to say to the audience that when you,
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Madeline, are talking about these things, this makes absolute sense to me because
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I can remember what I was looking back in the day at in the days
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of Tony Blair. And then the other person that came into my head is
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that many years ago I was with Mike Robinson in Bournemouth, I think it
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was. We'd gone to see some people in Bournemouth and we were able to
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speak to a very elderly German lady and she had lived in Germany during the
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war. She'd been bombed out of too German city, so she'd really been
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through some tough times, but at the end of the war she married a
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British soldier and she eventually came back to live in England. And what she
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said to us that afternoon over a cup of tea, is it's all happening
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again. Those were words, it's all happening again, and why can't people
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see it? And one of the things that she then describes was local officials.
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She was talking about her time in Nazi Germany, local officials getting more
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and more powers and more and more uniforms, until they could more and more
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of these officials could simply walk into your house. And she sat there and
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said, it's terrible because I can see it, I've lived it, and
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there are so many people in this country she's talking England, who simply can't
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see it. So that was a particularly interesting one. And I just do
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one more. And that was that when I started realized that there was this
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creeping political change occurring in the UK. I got interested in the drive for
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regions and this was under the European Union Regional policy, but with it also
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came the drive to elected regional assemblies. And one day, when I saw
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the meetings for these elected regional assemblies, I was fascinated to see that it
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was the then Bishop of Exeter. I can't remember his name off the top
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of my head, but he was chairing the meeting. And when I challenged
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his office as to why religious leader, the Bishop of Exeter would chair a
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highly particular, highly political meeting, they became very evasive, but eventually they
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said a lady would tell me more. Well, the lady who eventually called
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me and didn't really tell me much more, but her name was Joe Moore.
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And this was the lady that when the Twin Towers fell, said it
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was a good day to bury bad news. But I'm what I'm really trying
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to tell the audience is that it was clear to me at that stage that
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something was at work changing the whole structure of our political and constitutional system,
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and you're seeing it as well. And actually there's one more. Around that
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time, I was sent information from New Zealand and one of the documents that
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was sent to me was entitled the Communist Councils of New Zealand. And I
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was absolutely fascinated at this because I thought, my goodness, I'd have never
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put the two things together. But there were very astute people in New Zealand,
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warning that the local council were being changed in a manner which at least
32:02
appeared to mimic Communism. So you've seen what you've seen. I can echo
32:12
this back medal in it that I also started to see something building itself within
32:17
this country. You came to UK. Well, can I ask why you
32:22
came to UK? That's my first question. Then I've got another one,
32:27
Why did you come to UK? That's a very quick question, because the
32:30
UK was the country with prosperity. We at this point when in Poland we
32:38
even managed to dismantle the enemy. But for people in my age, you
32:45
know, I was a very young adult at this point, that was absolutely
32:49
no future because building the country was going to take ages. So when I
32:55
came to UK, I saw the possibility for my as artists. I because
33:00
I've been doing exhibition and I have a much more possibility to achieve something as
33:07
artists than I would have in Poland, because the Poland was practically just coming
33:10
coming up from the ashes from the forty years of the communs system. So
33:15
I am perfectly honest, you know, I feel my generation is completely lost
33:21
generations. This is the people who suffer a lot because they just went to
33:25
the point when the system was completely different and they just woke up in the
33:30
age of twenty in the point zero with no future. So for me,
33:37
England was the country which I will member from the way how my grandparents,
33:43
my parents were taking Poland used to be from every kind of heritage heritage was
33:47
left, you know, then I would think about Poland, probably because that
33:53
was a very regish country, that that wasn't very easy to brainwash Polish nation.
34:00
The generations then, so they did see through what's going on very quickly.
34:05
They start opposing the system and as I mentioned before, it's people forty
34:09
years to finally finarity destroy the communist system, only temporary unfortunately, because they
34:15
was pull to the EU, which is exactly the same or the you know,
34:21
if I can compare someon the devolution to anything that will be a EU,
34:24
this is the same templates, the same communist Communist manifest March is template
34:30
when and that's exactly what they're doing now. When they we have a lot
34:36
of countries joining the parliament in the EU, lots of different countries, different
34:39
cultures, different economy, and they apparently have a different government. But in
34:45
the end of the day, none of the people who represent the country have
34:49
anything to say, because the people who decide what is going to have to
34:52
have to be to be happening in any of the country will be the EUO
34:57
Parliament. And I remember when all and join you. I wasn't already already,
35:02
I wasn't giving there at all, but I fought it a disaster.
35:07
And I remember when there was gradually destroying any kind of culture, any kind
35:13
of traditions. And they've done it to every single every single country new stopping
35:21
product the production of particular cheese because it didn't feed the norms of the EU.
35:28
So what they're doing here, it's exactly the same. They're going to
35:31
create. We already have a London which just mustn't be the bove so it's
35:35
practically like a little kingdom. Nobody could say anything to the mayor, and
35:39
they're going to create more. Every part of U k Is going to be
35:44
like a little little government, you know, little cuntry, and they leveling
35:49
up everything to the level of London. Is so that that's why for example,
35:54
I know I'm jumping from one channel, but trust me, it's connected.
36:00
For example, you know we have a problem with LTN in big cities,
36:04
and even if you follow they ideology and the experts, you think,
36:08
okay, they just worry about the cars, about the traffics. So why
36:12
they implemented earth in the little villages when you know people have a one car
36:19
for one house and it's one hundred houses, so it's not really many cars
36:22
there, you know, so they are not really damaging anything. So why
36:28
we need LTN in some small villages, some small towns. It's because they
36:34
need to level everything, every everything, every we have the same standard.
36:37
That's why they transforming countryside two towns. Because we all need to be the
36:45
same. We all need to live the same life standard. We need to
36:49
be under control everything. What we do have to be exactly the same and
36:52
go for the same the same regulation. This is fascinating because you prey very
36:59
nicely. You preemptied me because I wanted to say to you, you've talked
37:04
through your observations going from a communist society through to how you see things unfolding
37:14
here in UK today in twenty twenty four, and my question was going to
37:19
be how do you see the European Union which sort of appeared in the middle
37:24
of this. It was almost a facilitator of transition. But you've already dealt
37:34
with that because you've said that the European Union is the same. And this
37:40
is fascinating to me because again many years ago, I met a very interesting
37:46
man, Christopher's Story. I went up to London and met him. He
37:52
was quite a prolific research and writer, and one of the key books that
38:00
I came across that he wrote was called The EU Collective Enemy of its Member
38:07
States. And I was so fascinated by the book because in it it was
38:14
talking about how society in the West UK Europe was to be destroyed. And
38:22
in the front of the book he had a table and it talked about the
38:28
first stage being to demoralize society and then to basically start to break society down
38:37
until you got to the stage which they called normalization, and normalization was the
38:45
point at which Western society had become communist society. People can still read the
38:52
book online, so if you search for Christopher's Story The EU Collective Enemy of
38:59
Its Members States as a PDF, you can find it. Unfortunately, the
39:04
book is very expensive now. But I met that man and he I spent
39:10
some time talking to him, and it was fascinating how he described this attack
39:16
on the very foundations of society and a big attack on families. It was
39:27
very clear the objective was to destroy families, to break up the institution of
39:31
marriage, and ultimately to leave people as individuals that were easily controlled with the
39:38
state. And I have always believed that that's the model that we see unfolding,
39:45
which you clearly do. Yeah, it is exactly why I'm saying what
39:50
is happening here? And I think we should point on something which is visible
39:57
for everyone, because every from what we're talking about about today is official.
40:00
It's not something that we think is happening. It is happening, and they're
40:05
not even hiding the changes. And I mentioned Tony Blair before because he said
40:09
the first thing what he would start doing was their reform and the devolution.
40:15
What I am talking about is very easily accessible. If anyone called the Local
40:21
Government Association page, they have a full pages explaining the devolution, and then
40:28
if people go on the Communist manifest they will see the resemblance straight away,
40:32
so it's not even the secret. Another thing which I think which is very
40:37
important to make sure that everyone understands what we're going through it's starting pointing on
40:45
the system because as we start talking our chat today about the central government,
40:52
people are not aware that the government is responsible for decision making only in three
40:59
or four sectors of our economy. Everything else is in the hands of the
41:06
local governments. And this is very, very important. For example, I
41:12
am corresponding with the Leveling Up Department that they have the Communities Department, because
41:17
I have lots of questions for them, and because you know, what council
41:22
is saying is one thing. What they are saying is another thing. So
41:24
I want a clarity. So I sent some letters about what the CALCID did.
41:30
I could just answer this question, and several times I received the same
41:36
reply as the government doesn't have any influence on the council decisions, on the
41:44
decision on the daily base, what they're doing every day by day. And
41:49
really the central government power it's called reserve powers. And this is like defense,
41:58
security and something, and I always saying something more and what we remember,
42:01
but it's probably about fear or four sectors when the government have a responsibility
42:06
and decision making. Even so, if you think about defense, when supposed
42:10
to be the reserve power, we are still members of the NATO. So
42:16
we country say that the government is makes some free decision because it has pree
42:22
agreements with NATO anyway, so it have to go with whatever is happening.
42:28
So it's so many things which is obvious. It's not even like trying to
42:34
find looking for a similarity. Is just coming from every amble. Everything is
42:38
happening. It's a company. It's the same what they've done so many times
42:44
over and over and again. The approach. As I mentioned before about the
42:49
unions, they create this union. Simple thing. If somebody is attacking you
42:58
as a person, the normal reaction of human being is self defense. So
43:02
when they decide to attack humanity with the system, they was very much prepared
43:08
for self defense. So they expect people to not being very happy with some
43:15
people that go introduced because they was taking everything away from us by introducing the
43:21
lockdown and the fake pandemic and then giving us little big back, so they
43:28
expect the self defense. It was very very prepared and most of the movements
43:36
which are fantastic, so many fantastic people are in moved trying to start against
43:42
the agenda in many different areas of our economy, but they don't are not
43:46
aware that the enemy was prepared for that, so soon when you saw opposition,
43:52
there is a leaders who will be running the opposition. So we need
43:55
to be very very much aware because that's what's happening in Poland from forty ls
44:00
and that's why the opposition couldn't go through because for forty years years it was
44:06
manipulated and there was joining some freedom fighting groups, which was of course going
44:13
to the same point zero or you know, destroying the country even more because
44:17
that was you know, giving the reasons for the government with one part of
44:22
the people power, giving them the reason to to introduce new restrictions. So
44:30
it's the same it's happening here, really is Madlin, I just wanted to
44:35
do just throwing it. It's amusing. It's a serious comment, but it's
44:40
got its amusing side. That you've come into this country from Poland, and
44:46
probably because you were active in Poland and watching what was happening politically, but
44:52
you've come here, you've straight away you've seen something's wrong and you're saying I've
45:00
seen this before. For UK Colin, we've talked to quite a few people
45:07
that have come into this country from Europe, so they've moved to make a
45:13
home for themselves in UK, and we've been saying to them, you think
45:19
you've arrived in the country of freedom and justice, but actually that's not true.
45:27
You've arrived in a country which is utterly corrupt. You've arrived in a
45:30
country where law and order isn't what you think it is. And their response
45:37
to us is to be saying, oh, no, you know, this
45:43
is the UK. We are safe here, we feel safe and we've found
45:47
that we've had to be quite you know, to get into quite a discussion
45:52
with people that have come here from say, Eastern Europe, because the moment
45:57
they get on this little island, they think they arrived in a safe parrot
46:02
well, the safety of UK, and we're saying to them, no,
46:07
no, no, we've got the same problems here. So have you Have
46:13
you encountered fellow countrymen from Poland or other people who've come here from Eastern Europe
46:20
who can see what you see? Or are the other newcomers? Are they
46:24
people who can't see it? That's that's it's interesting, But because probably the
46:35
older generation understands more of what's going on, because obviously the very young generation,
46:39
which was already brought up in European Union. They've been under the same
46:45
brainwashing problem like any other country, so they don't really know the history.
46:51
They was driven to the strange area like the genderism and you know, the
46:59
completing nons and things for defacing. But it's I think it's very sure.
47:06
Some people just get it and some people don't. It's it's yeah, I
47:10
can't really say if it's a specific kind of society, which you understand the
47:16
systems, specific kind of society, we don't. It really is probably down
47:21
to the individual character and more. Some people are more curious. Some people
47:25
just won't find out they see things they are not right, and another other
47:30
people will be just ignoring this and just go all their lives. That makes
47:35
complete sense. Now, you were here today as a representative of the Heritage
47:39
Party and we've been talking some pretty deep politics and political analysis, which I
47:49
know that quite a few of the UK column viewers will They will understand why
47:54
we're going into these areas because we've talked about some of these subjects ourselves,
48:00
But for a lot of people this is very new. You mix, you're
48:06
not going to breach any confidentialities, but I can imagine that people inside the
48:12
Heritage Party would have maybe in the early days had some difficulty understanding what you're
48:21
talking about. So have you been able to have you been able to spread
48:28
the word amongst your Heritage colleagues to the extent that probably if they've paid attention
48:35
to you, they now understand more about the beast that they're fighting, absolutely
48:40
and that it's not only me. The reason why I johin Heritage Party is
48:46
because I followed David David's speeches when he was in the London Assembly and I
48:53
realized that he knows exactly what's going on because he was standing against that agenda.
48:59
And I know he was talking about the cultural Marxism and the march through
49:06
the Institution, which you also highlighting your programs before, so I know that
49:12
David is aware how the system work. So people who joined Heritage Party they
49:19
done the same. They was watching previous David videos, so they have a
49:23
slight idea about the marchism, how the market is just trying to get in
49:30
our houses. But yes, we have a webinars in our party, so
49:34
we talk about this a lot, and our councilors are absolutely prepared. They
49:39
went whenever they're going for any kind of cancer meeting. They're trying to push
49:44
the genda back. They are successful. On several occasions they managed to push
49:50
some area of the climate emergency in some particu K they managed to save trees.
49:57
Because every single every single decision what the council is making, this is
50:01
again something they have to go actually highlight every single decision what the council made.
50:07
It's not only supposed to be justify a consultation, but also by evidence.
50:14
They need to have evidence to make decisions. And on the simple facts
50:20
that we questioned them for the evidence, our councilors managed to stop some damage
50:27
which was introduced in the in the council meetings. So yeah, we our
50:31
counselors and our numbers are very much aware, very much aware because we do
50:36
doing We're making lots of webinars for making lots of meetings, we have lots
50:39
of talk about this. Well, this is this is very encouraging because of
50:45
course we're seeing that where people are challenging the councils just on policy issues.
50:51
You've mentioned the low traffic networks, healty ends and of course we've got people
50:57
going in Rachel's one of the ladies and Sandy Adams. But there are others
51:05
going in and challenging the Council on a particular policy issue and doing it in
51:09
a very measured, reasonable way, and that's having a good effect. So
51:15
for your counselors to be challenging those areas, but with the additional expertise and
51:22
knowledge of what they're really fighting, that is a very powerful combination. And
51:29
I would say we need more people like that, because unless you know the
51:35
enemy, you're not really going to be very successful in fighting them. And
51:40
the other bit that comes into my mind, of course, is that a
51:44
lot of the battle we're up against is to do with language. That I
51:50
first really noticed it when the EU got going, that you could read a
51:54
paper on whatever topic it was. It might be an economic paper, it
52:00
might be to do with regeneration in an urban area. But I found I
52:07
could read it and then I could be saying to myself, what exactly did
52:12
that paper say? And I'd read it again and then maybe I understood a
52:17
bit more. But the other thing I would understand when I read it the
52:21
second time was that it was using language in a way that I wasn't familiar
52:25
with. Sometimes it was words. One of the key European Union words that
52:34
I started to pick up on was competencies, which you never ever heard in
52:40
English. You could say somebody was competent. That was used in the English
52:45
language, but you never heard it put into competencies. And so cohort was
52:53
another one. And when I began to research this rather the weird use of
53:00
language, I came across another man who was actually he was an intelligence officer
53:08
in the military many years ago, and he specialized in some of the communist
53:17
doctrinal papers and he translated it into what he called it is Soopian language,
53:23
So it was a sort of hidden language. You read it, you thought
53:28
you understood what was being said, but actually you had to really understand the
53:35
system to know that there was a different meaning. And I see this constantly
53:40
when I'm looking at documentation. Well, certainly coming from the European Union,
53:46
but now you see it in documentation that's coming from a local authority. So
53:52
the ordinary person reads it, they think they understand what's coming, but in
53:57
fact they don't because they don't understand the written language. Does my comment there
54:04
make sense to you or is this something that's just an order for me?
54:09
Now it's also absolutely hundred percent right. One hundred percent right. Because the
54:14
first thing when our councilor become counselors, they struggle with the agenda. They
54:20
had to prepare for a meeting. They have to go through twenty four pages
54:24
and they was asking you, well, now this is too much, what
54:29
can I do with this? So they had to learn how to read it.
54:31
They're absolutely right, this is the language that you need to learn how
54:37
to read. Was in fact, from the hundreds of sentences, probably is
54:42
ten which are important. So you just we have the automoketing importance. People
54:47
who was fighting this is time, we just you know, we can see
54:50
you as paper. We don't see the rabbit. We just see the important
54:52
thing. But this is this is something that we need to learn. Really,
54:55
so our counselors now learning, they know what to focus when they have
55:01
the pages. But they need to prepare for a cancer meeting. It's a
55:07
one point which is very important, Like we're going to destroy the tree,
55:10
for example. Yeah, and then it's so much explanation around this. So
55:15
many people involve so many reasons why we need to destroy this tree, how
55:21
good this would be for everyone? Whens destroy the tree. So it's so
55:25
much brainwashing in the text, it's not about a tree anymore. It's about
55:31
how wonderful work we are doing and you need to you need to help us
55:36
because we're going to make our life be better. But in the end,
55:39
you know of the document, the tree is going to be cut down,
55:44
healthy tree. So the way to do it is focus on the main,
55:50
main issue and just ignore everything around and always go back. Because what they're
55:55
doing for meetings, for example, is doing this story about one issue.
56:01
So they're going to debate the story. They're going to talk about the story.
56:05
So even if you have a point and you want to stand against something,
56:10
they would turn this to another line, to another line. They will
56:14
be discussing another line which is on the agenda. Even this is the same
56:16
issue. So whenever you are in the position when you are debating with these
56:22
people is just let them talk and go back to the topic. Go back
56:24
to the main topic all the time. Just say yes, thank you,
56:29
go back to the same topic. And this is the way how to read
56:30
this as well. In the newspaper you know the devolution document, I mentioned
56:36
that they don't have a council who understand the devolution. The document is again
56:42
official because one of the council leaders, the local government Association leaders. He
56:47
actually said that just to read the basic document, it's going to take about
56:53
forteen hours. So nobody's going to spend forteen hours to read this. And
56:59
also they wouldn't at the tender's properly anyway, because it's exactly what you just
57:04
said. You can just look on the spaper and you haven't see nothing.
57:06
Really all on purpose. We've got a change in the language. We've got
57:10
a manipulation of language and grammar and text in order to get a message across.
57:17
And for people such as your counselors or prospective counselors, they've got to
57:24
learn how to fight back against the use of that sort of twisted language.
57:30
So yeah, this is really really important. And the other thing that I've
57:36
seen happen within councils is a clear change in how the structure of the council
57:43
works. So if we go back in history many years ago, elected counselors
57:52
at local council level were simply elected as an individual, missus Green or mister
57:59
Brown. They were just elected as an individual. And it was only later
58:05
that the party system was introduced into local authorities. So that was the first
58:12
control mechanism because people were grouped up into a conservative or labor or live dem
58:19
whatever it was, and they then worked to control the councilors through party politics.
58:25
But the other thing which has taken place in the councils is the fact
58:30
that you've now got a cabinet. So you take a group of the senior
58:36
counselors, and you take the senior council officers and they have meetings together and
58:45
they decide the policy that all the rest of the councilors are going to follow.
58:50
And that to me is verging on communist control, particularly when you know
58:57
that they have pre meeting things to decide how things will be presented in the
59:04
meeting. And that, from my relative limited communist political understanding, is how
59:10
the communist system worked, that the matters were always agreed before the meeting,
59:16
and then the meeting was simply a pantomime for the public or the lesser political
59:23
people, as if the meeting had made a decision. Yeah, we have
59:28
to remember that on the top of the councils, the people who making decisions
59:32
are the chief executives and officers who never elected. This is people who are
59:38
appointed and they are they again people just see the central government and peace earning
59:45
particular man like eighty thousand per year or something. These people who are on
59:50
the top of the council, they earn something between one hundred thousand, two
59:53
hundred and sixty thousand. And this is shocked already. And when you introduce
1:00:00
this document, which is officially published on the council website, if you're introducing
1:00:07
this official document to average person, average resident, they just can't believe it.
1:00:12
They just really can't believe it. Just who is this person? This
1:00:15
is the person you're paying your taxes, So this is the person who make
1:00:19
a decision about your life. So not the central government, not you know,
1:00:23
not to you. The chief executive is the officers. They have the
1:00:30
kind of associations, several associations which there they are the leaders. This is
1:00:36
the yes. And then something else has been happening for many years, and
1:00:43
that is that organizations were established in order to educate the council officers and more
1:00:54
recently elected members. But one of the is it called the Local the Government
1:01:04
Association of Councilors. I can't quite remember the name of it, but I
1:01:08
know that local government association. Yes, local government association, that's right.
1:01:15
And there was a I don't think it's in existence anymore, but there was
1:01:20
another one which was called Solass and that was training the executives, council executives.
1:01:30
And this is where my brain said, Ah, this is where they
1:01:35
are being taught how to use the techniques that we've just described, how to
1:01:39
use, how to write documents in a particular way, how to hold meetings
1:01:44
in a particular way. And part of the trail for me was that some
1:01:51
of these organizations will also firmly in bed with the charity Common Purpose, which
1:01:58
was another I called it a trojan horse. Common Purpose was a trojan horse
1:02:04
by which when you've got people involved with Common Purpose, they broke down the
1:02:07
normal structures inside the public sector. I'm trying to recall research I did many,
1:02:16
many years ago, but it's all there. So these organizations are still
1:02:24
the bulk of them are still working. They are still absorbing counselors, and
1:02:30
they're taking them away for training days, and they're taking chief executives away.
1:02:36
And I believe that when those individuals come back, and I'm deliberately going to
1:02:42
use the word, they've been reframed in order to think in a different way,
1:02:47
and they then they then start to pervert the conduct of their own local
1:02:53
council, local authority. Yeah, that's that's exactly what is happening and everything
1:02:59
you want to women. But I think it's very much advanced now. They
1:03:02
create even more of this kind of special courses, special academies, associations,
1:03:10
and the main is, the main reason for that is not only to train
1:03:16
these people, but also there's a perfect, perfect reason to transfer the money
1:03:20
from the local government again because of the pre agreements about charities and about communities
1:03:27
helping communities, So they not only train people against against people, but they're
1:03:36
also being very nicely paid for that. So yes, and also the joining
1:03:39
the central government. Yes, it's you know, money was always very important.
1:03:45
And of course you live in counts, sorry in Cornwall, and Cornwall
1:03:50
was given special attention because not only did Colmore fall in one of the regions
1:04:00
for the EU, so the England was to be broken up into was it
1:04:05
five regions and then there were Scotland and Northern Ireland, but Cornwall was in
1:04:13
the Southwest region, which was actually called Area K. I always said that
1:04:18
was for control, K for control. But then we watched as the European
1:04:27
Union worked on Cornwall and helped to drive the Independence for Cornwall movement. And
1:04:33
what was fascinating about that is that they were using the power and influence of
1:04:40
a unit of a European Union organization called Fewan f U e N. And
1:04:48
the history of Fewan was that it was actually created by the Nazis in order
1:04:55
to fragment countries that they'd invaded, to fragment the structure so that they were
1:05:02
easier to control. And I was utterly and I was flabbergasted. I was
1:05:10
very surprised when I discovered that this historic organization still existed and it was working
1:05:18
in order to try and get more people in Cornwall to demand their independence.
1:05:24
And this wasn't for the benefit of people in Cornwall. It was in order
1:05:28
to break down the cohesion of the United Kingdom. Yeah, that is always
1:05:33
for the benefit of the globalist, not for people. Any kind of promises
1:05:39
like you're going to have a wonderful life and freedom, you can have a
1:05:43
guarantee that is exactly going to be the opposite. Cornell is in terrible,
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terrible position at the moment. We have a counciler in Cornwall and the letters
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were receiving and she's going through. This is really depressing. They're doing the
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huntful. For example, when everyone is asked like a sneeching but you know
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about the land. Everyone is asked to nominate land when have a potential to
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build houses. So even it doesn't matter if it is already somebody sells land
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and somebody have houses there, it doesn't matter. They still want people to
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nominate this like, oh, you know there's lots of area. This person
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have a big garden. It looks like a potential place to build houses,
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so they I don't know, they are warning people for doing this as well.
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This is very interesting because a similar example I've heard about in tot Nest
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Totness being a transition town of course, but there is to do with allotments
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land that could become inverted from public allotments, and so you have individuals who
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have done exactly that. Somebody has a very big garden. Oh wouldn't it
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be a good idea if you shared your garden with the public allotment system?
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So yeah, amazing. What would you like the UK column audience to do?
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You're speaking to people. What I would like everyone to do is to
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have a look on the heritage party manifesto and please trust me because when I
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am talking about the community system in the devolution, I'm talking through the experience
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and having a David who have a very good knowledge about this system, having
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my experience who have a very knowledge about the system as well. Grow up
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in the system. We really know who is the enemy. We know the
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weakness of the enemy. We also see that people are a bit distracted and
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leaving them free whatever they want to do. So I really wish people just
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join us. People join the Heritage Party and become becomecome the day, to
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become a politician. It's another thing what I was going to say in Brian.
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If this is possible, people are another similarity to Poland. People are
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being pulled away from the politics on purpose because you have to think with logic
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all the time in the system. If you are not being involved in politics,
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then you don't have an influence over politics. You need to be involved
1:08:20
in politics to change the politics. If you don't like the politicians at the
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moment, replace them with yourself. Just become a politician, become a candidate,
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replace the council. If we can have proper people administrating our home area,
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that's the end. Of the agenda use their expression acting locally. But
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when people do things to change and affect politics in a local area, some
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people think that's you know, that doesn't do anything. Actually it does a
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huge amount. Because the regime we're up against wants total control everywhere, and
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so when it loses control locally, this is a very big setback for the
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For the agenda, absolutely have to go to the roots. You know,
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we can't have to start with the roots. Somebody told me from from actually
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a person from one of our members. He said, when he struggle,
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he's frustrated because he can see what people are doing. This is like they
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just picking the leafs all the time instead of cutting the tree. So they
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just picking the little leafs and little leafts all the time, the roots.
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Well, Madeline, you you thank you for joining me today. I'm sure
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that you've given the wider audience a huge amount to think about, and I
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know that what you've talked about is very important. And we will make sure
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to get some links up under the video for the Heritage Party, and I'm
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going to say we're going to do our very best to get this one out
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as soon as possible. It's been fascinating to talk to you, and I'd
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love to do more because I know there are many areas we could have gone
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into. But I think we should finish today. But I will say I
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hope you'll come back and join me again. Thank you very much, really,
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thank you very much for having me that. That was a very enjoyable
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conversation. I really I was hoping to at least share a little bit.
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But it is huge, huge, huge subject. Yeah, difficult, difficult
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to just this is a very big history. So if we try to starize
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history in one hour, this is practically impossible. Okay, well, it's
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been brilliant. Thank you very much.