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Parmjeet Parmar: ACT MP on the outcome of the Parliamentary Select Committee into online safety, youth social media ban · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The IMPA who kicked off an inquiry into social media
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  Speaker 1: harm for kids doesn't like the outcome. The Education Committee's
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  Speaker 1: final reports say is basically, ban under sixteen from TikTok, Facebook,
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  Speaker 1: other platforms is doing them damage. Dr PALMJ. Palmer represents
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  Speaker 1: ACT on the Education Workforce Committee, joins me this morning,
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  Speaker 1: good morning, Hello, good morning. So you didn't like the
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  Speaker 1: outcome of the inquiry.
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  Speaker 2: Why not? I'm actually quite disappointed to see the outcome
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  Speaker 2: because the idea was to go with an open mind,
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  Speaker 2: not just copy and paste of what others have done
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  Speaker 2: without actually examining everything. I don't like it because banning
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  Speaker 2: social media funder sixteen is one of the recommendations and
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  Speaker 2: this issue was actually central to the reason for the inquiry.
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  Speaker 2: And you will note in the advice that was provided
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  Speaker 2: by the advisors, the advisors didn't provide full advice on
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  Speaker 2: this issue this intervention, and I wrote to the Select
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  Speaker 2: Committee urging the Select Committee to seek advice on this
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  Speaker 2: particular intervention, and the Select Committee members, by maturity, decided
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  Speaker 2: not to proceed. So my view is that they took
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  Speaker 2: a predetermined approach, and in my view, this is a
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  Speaker 2: very serious issue and they didn't get really undermine the
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  Speaker 2: Select Committee's rule.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't get the evidence, didn't get the evidence. They just
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  Speaker 1: go on ahead with a headline grabbing decision. But you,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't say, Palm Jack Kenny. You can't
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  Speaker 1: sit there and tell us that it's not bad for kids.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look at them.
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  Speaker 2: So we know. And I must say that concerns about
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  Speaker 2: young people online are real and we need to find
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  Speaker 2: real solutions for them. So this is a complex issue,
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  Speaker 2: and what I'm saying is that it was not dealt
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  Speaker 2: with the seriousness that parents and young people deserve. And
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  Speaker 2: now issue here is this that with this approach, what
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  Speaker 2: will happen is that all New Zealanders will be required
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  Speaker 2: to upload their IDs digitally. And this is not just
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  Speaker 2: about the physical part of it. So if you consider
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  Speaker 2: the scale of data these platforms would come out. So
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  Speaker 2: this is your identity, your online behavior, your networks, your
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  Speaker 2: past and current behaviors online. So in my view, this
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  Speaker 2: isn't just information. It's actually powerful.
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  Speaker 1: It's fairy. That is fair. But you can choose, Like
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  Speaker 1: we live in a free society, you do not have
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  Speaker 1: to sign up to a social media platform. You can
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  Speaker 1: choose not to if I go buy alcohol, then I
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  Speaker 1: need to show my ID.
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  Speaker 2: But you don't leave your ID with them here. You
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  Speaker 2: will be required to upload your ID to these platforms,
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  Speaker 2: and that is where we have concerns. We don't want
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  Speaker 2: to see new.
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  Speaker 1: Zealanders, so don't.
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  Speaker 2: You compromise for their polity, But so don't use. What
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  Speaker 2: I wanted the selectimitty to do was oral work to
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  Speaker 2: see how we could mitigate this. But that didn't happen
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  Speaker 2: because we didn't get the advice on this intervention from
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  Speaker 2: the advisors, and the Selectivity then went ahead and made
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  Speaker 2: this as a recommendation one of the recommodity Right, all right.
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  Speaker 1: But let's be honest. If you force under sixteen year
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  Speaker 1: olds to prove their age, that doesn't mean that everyone
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  Speaker 1: over sixteen has to give an ID.
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  Speaker 2: Does it. So that will be the case because when
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  Speaker 2: it is going to be based on age, age verification
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  Speaker 2: will be required. So in many many cases it may
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  Speaker 2: not be possible for even if it's biometrics or some
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  Speaker 2: other ways used to just look at the image and
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  Speaker 2: say the person is sixteen, aren't doing that. So the
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  Speaker 2: issue here is this that we had the opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: learn from them and YouTube also wrote to the Select
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  Speaker 2: Comittee this is when we were doing the second report
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  Speaker 2: to share their experiences, but Selectimitty turned down that request
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Palm Jack, appreciate your time this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Acting P. Palm Jack Palmer not happy with the inquiry.
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