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Making a Murderer appeal: Should court toss Brendan Dassey conviction? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Hundreds of thousands of people are
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Speaker 1: calling for the pardon of a convicted killer after the
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Speaker 1: Netflix series Making a Murderer exposed possible flaws in the
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Speaker 1: case that put him behind bars. We have you. Making
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Speaker 1: a Murderer tells the story of Stephen Aver. He's the
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin man who served eighteen years in prison for rape
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Speaker 1: before being exonerated in two thousand and three. We the
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Speaker 1: jury find the defendant guilty of only to find himself
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Speaker 1: in prison again on a murder conviction in two thousand seven.
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Speaker 1: Many viewers concluded Avery was framed by authorities who lied
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Speaker 1: and planted evidence. Stephen Avery is right where he needs
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Speaker 1: to be, in prison. I think he was innocent. Is innocent?
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Speaker 1: It turned into a documentary. I guess you should call
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Speaker 1: it a documentary Netflix, Making a Murderer. But what is
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Speaker 1: the real story behind the brutal sex assault and murder
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Speaker 1: of a twenty five year old photographer Teresa Hallback the
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Speaker 1: very latest in the saga of Stephen Avery and his nephew,
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Speaker 1: Brendan Dascy, who now both insists their innocent. But I
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Speaker 1: know different. I know, a different story because I was
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Speaker 1: lied straight to my face. Right now a legal motion
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Speaker 1: in court as the courts bring down the hammer. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you see, Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us the truth about what happened to Teresa Hallback.
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Speaker 1: I want to go right now to Detective Tom Fastbender,
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Speaker 1: who worked on the case actually took one of Brandon
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Speaker 1: Dacy's many, many confessions. Also with me is Brenda who
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Speaker 1: is a Dassy case expert working with Fastbender and John
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Speaker 1: Lee reporter returned from the Post Crescent and Appleton, Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: Detective Tom Fastbinder, thank you so much for being with us.
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Speaker 1: The reality is that Brendan Dascy gave multiple confessions. He
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Speaker 1: confessed to his mother on the phone, he confessed to
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Speaker 1: his cousin Keela, he confessed to police, he confessed on
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Speaker 1: a video tape confession by his own defense attorney. But
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Speaker 1: let's take it from the beginning. Tom, tell me about
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Speaker 1: the case for those of for those listeners just joining us,
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Speaker 1: How did it all start? Nancy, thanks for having me
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Speaker 1: on um. The case started basically with a missing person,
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Speaker 1: tre Sall Black being missing, and from there it went
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Speaker 1: into Louie homicide investigation, and her vehicle was found on
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Speaker 1: Stephen Avery's or the Avery Salvage yard where Stephen Avery lived,
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Speaker 1: and from there the evidence kept mounting, uh pointing directly
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Speaker 1: at Stephen Avery, and Uh the even speaks for herself.
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Speaker 1: He was ultimately convicted of the of the murder of
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Speaker 1: Teresa Halbach and his nephew, who he invited to help
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Speaker 1: with the abduction, sex assaulted murder. I was also convicted
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Speaker 1: based on Brendan Dacy statements that she that he made
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Speaker 1: the multiple statements you already referred to. This is what
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Speaker 1: we know. Terisa Hallback was an amateur photographer. Then she
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Speaker 1: started taking photos for the local auto triter. You know,
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Speaker 1: you've seen those magazines at the grocery store when you
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Speaker 1: walk in of all of the cars for sale, used cars.
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Speaker 1: She had gone to Stephen Amory the sub of making
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Speaker 1: a Murderer on Netflix before, to take pictures at his
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Speaker 1: auto salvage lot, and she hated it. She said he
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Speaker 1: was super creepy and didn't want to go back. Well,
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Speaker 1: to keep her job and keep going as a professional photographer,
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Speaker 1: she goes back. She's never seen alive again. Parts of
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Speaker 1: her bones and teeth were found in a quote fire
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Speaker 1: pit and Stephen Avery's back lot, just outside his office
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Speaker 1: of his auto salvage lot. Her car had been dragged
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Speaker 1: to the back of his lot and concealed with plywood
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Speaker 1: and tree limbs. Stephen Avery's DNA was on Teresa Hallback's car,
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Speaker 1: including on the ignition a bullet fragment covered and Teresa
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Speaker 1: Hallback's DNA was found in Stephen Avery's garage, but at
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Speaker 1: the time police did not know what had become of Teresa.
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Speaker 1: I started covering this case when Teresa was just a
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Speaker 1: missing person. Take a listen to its Stephen Avery, the target,
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Speaker 1: the star of Netflix, making a murderer, said to me, Steve,
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Speaker 1: and I understand that Teresa came to your auto salvage
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Speaker 1: lot to take photos for the auto Trader. Correct, she
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Speaker 1: came down by me. Okay? And Stephen, is my understanding
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Speaker 1: that also you stay that you saw her car leave? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I did, about what time between she was there between
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Speaker 1: two and two thirty, two thirty in the afternoon. Okay, Stephen,
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Speaker 1: how is it that her car could get it all
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Speaker 1: the way back in this pit area where there is uh, well,
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Speaker 1: I believe we're showing it right now. I mean, wouldn't
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Speaker 1: you have to pass back by the office again, Well
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Speaker 1: on the on the outskirts up the office ottwise backed
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Speaker 1: by me or back by Rdan's pitt in the corner.
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Speaker 1: It's all open. It's all open, so you can drive
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Speaker 1: in there, Mr Avery, did you see anyone else come in,
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Speaker 1: anyone unusual that didn't belong there? Well, during the night,
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Speaker 1: me and my brother had to go to to pick
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Speaker 1: up some more with the flat bed, and I've seen
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Speaker 1: tail lights backed by me. I wasn't supposed to be,
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Speaker 1: but we turned around and we went back there. Truck
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Speaker 1: your parked on the side, and I took the plot
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Speaker 1: flight all the flat bed and I looked around by
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Speaker 1: me and behind me, but I didn't see that. That
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Speaker 1: is from CNN's h l N program that I has
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Speaker 1: to for many many years. So he lied out right,
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Speaker 1: Tom Fastbender. I mean, the reality of what happened to
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Speaker 1: Teresa Holbike is that she went to go take the pictures.
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Speaker 1: He overcame her. He tied her up and chained her
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Speaker 1: to a bed, cut off her hair, stripped her, raped her,
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Speaker 1: brought over his nephew told him to quote have sex
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Speaker 1: with her. Brendan Dacy also raped her as she begged
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Speaker 1: him not to. Then they stabbed her as she screamed
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Speaker 1: and cried and begged him not to. Dascy also stabbed her.
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Speaker 1: Then to make sure she was dead, they shot her,
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Speaker 1: then burned her body, using her clothes to wipe up
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Speaker 1: her own blood through her clothes on top of her
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Speaker 1: naked body on a fire pit out in the backyard
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Speaker 1: of the auto salvage lot, and then pile things like
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Speaker 1: tires and whatever was around on top of that to
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Speaker 1: make sure her body burned in the fire. In the
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Speaker 1: days that followed, police found bits of her bones, teeth,
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Speaker 1: and the studs of the back of her Daisy Fuentes
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Speaker 1: Jeans Venue var Geese, former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney.
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Speaker 1: You handle appeals and post conviction motions, explain to me
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Speaker 1: why he believes he should have a new trial. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about the nephew, Brendan Dacy, who the Seventh Circuit
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Speaker 1: Court of Appeals just rejected. First of all, Nancy, the
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Speaker 1: evidence is not overwhelming against Day. There is no DNA
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Speaker 1: licking him that shows that he was involved in any rate.
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Speaker 1: There is the issue of the confessions here, and with
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Speaker 1: all due respect to the detective. The confession stinks. There
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Speaker 1: was a lot of evidence that was fed to him
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Speaker 1: to a kid who's sixteen years old, who has a
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Speaker 1: very low i Q. Now hold on, wait a minute, Venu,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute. Are you talking about the confession that
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Speaker 1: never came into court taken by his own defense attorney who,
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Speaker 1: when he saw the case said we got to get
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Speaker 1: you a deal, Dassie, And he took a video interview
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Speaker 1: with leading questions and egging him on to give an
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Speaker 1: answer to use to give the prosecutors to show that
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Speaker 1: Brendan Dacy would be a great witness for the state
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Speaker 1: against Stephen Avery. Then when Kachinsky leaves the case, that
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Speaker 1: is what happened, and that never came in front of
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Speaker 1: the jury. That's not what I'm talking about any I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about what came in front of the jury. You
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Speaker 1: have gaps, You have all these leading questions for somebody's
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Speaker 1: frett kids. Think about it. Imagine if you're kid didn't
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Speaker 1: have the same capacity as somebody else, and he's being
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Speaker 1: fed answers, and every time that he and he's being
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Speaker 1: told look, things will be okay. And at one point
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Speaker 1: he's like, can I get back to school? And so
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Speaker 1: the you know, the Supreme Court of the United States
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Speaker 1: found that executions of juveniles are was pooled and unusual
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Speaker 1: punishment and outlaw. That's not even an issue. He's not
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Speaker 1: even facing the death penalty. No, he's not. He's not.
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying here though, So are you bringing it
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Speaker 1: off Supreme courtious? Father, that should find that interrogations of
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Speaker 1: screws juveniles, particularly those were a low mental capacity, is
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Speaker 1: cruel and unusual. I mean, this is a kid who's well, okay,
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Speaker 1: So if you have a low i Q and you're
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Speaker 1: sixtain and you rape a woman tied up in shain
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Speaker 1: to a band and then stab her dad, we don't
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Speaker 1: want to take your confession because, just so you know,
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Speaker 1: the mother came with him. Then the mother gave permission
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Speaker 1: for police to speak to him. The first few times
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Speaker 1: that they spoke to him, they thought he was just
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Speaker 1: a witness that knew something. Then he implicated himself. He
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Speaker 1: confessed on a recorded phone conversation to his mother. He
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Speaker 1: confessed to a cousin Kella. And very very important is
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Speaker 1: that his confessions match the physical evidence. So unless he's
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Speaker 1: a clairvoyant, he would not know those details. Detective Tom Fassbender,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear your response to Venue var Geese.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Nancy. UH do you have you in question
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Speaker 1: that he is referring to is exactly that started I
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Speaker 1: as an interview until Brendan Dassy essentially blew us away
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Speaker 1: with some admissions that he made the beginning with the
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Speaker 1: fact that he said he raped Teresa Halbach at the
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Speaker 1: urging of Stephen Avery less than fifty minutes into the interview,
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Speaker 1: and I stress the Foft interview no yelling, no deprivation
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Speaker 1: of basic necessities, and he mentions that information was sid
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Speaker 1: to him. There were times when uh information was fed
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Speaker 1: to him and there were some leading questions. But I
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Speaker 1: can go through that interview and showed just as many
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Speaker 1: instances of him providing information to us that we had
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Speaker 1: no idea he was going to provide, essentially, like I said,
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Speaker 1: blowing us away, And also many instances where he resisted
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Speaker 1: any type of suggestion and denied involvements such as him
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Speaker 1: actually shooting trees that he vehemently denied that and did
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Speaker 1: not change his mind. UH, and in many other instances
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Speaker 1: and including the control question, that that he denied any
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Speaker 1: knowledge of um so I reality is tom the reality
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Speaker 1: as if he had stuck with Kaczynski, who was trying
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Speaker 1: to kind of deal for him, he had probably be
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Speaker 1: up for parole right now. Uh. I don't know that
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Speaker 1: he would get it the first time around, but he
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Speaker 1: would probably already be up for parole right now. But
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Speaker 1: instead he launched a defense that he gave a false
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Speaker 1: confession and that he really got the idea for everything
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Speaker 1: he was saying because he read the book Kissed the Girls. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're that low of an iron Q
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Speaker 1: that he's claiming, I don't know how you could get
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Speaker 1: through kiss the Girls. Wasn't that turned into a movie
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Speaker 1: with Ashley Judd and Morgan Freeman. I mean he said
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Speaker 1: he on his own read the book Kissed the Girls,
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Speaker 1: and then created and masterminded the defense and masterminded his statement,
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Speaker 1: his so called confession, and that the confession was false.
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Speaker 1: That is what he told the jury. His new defense
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Speaker 1: attorney put him up on the stand and told the
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Speaker 1: jury that he was not involved, that they made him
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Speaker 1: get of a confession, although nobody yelled at him, beat him,
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Speaker 1: deprived him of food or water. His mommy was outside
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Speaker 1: the door, and one of them, Uh, that that was
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Speaker 1: all a big lie, and that really the truth is
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Speaker 1: this is what he said on the stand, that he
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Speaker 1: read the book Kissed the Girls and then came up
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Speaker 1: with a confession. That's where he got the idea. It's
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Speaker 1: amazing that the forensic evidence fits with his confession, but
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Speaker 1: reporter retired from the Post Crescent in Appleton, Wisconsin. John Lee,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us along with
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Speaker 1: Detective Tom Fastbender, Brenda and the new Vargeese. John Lee,
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Speaker 1: you know the most recent ruling that has just come
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Speaker 1: down from the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals rejecting Netflix
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Speaker 1: making a murderer star Brendan Dassy along with his UH
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Speaker 1: uncle Stephen Avery. What do you make of it, John Lee?
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Speaker 1: There's a few things. Number one, Um, when I talked
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Speaker 1: to the attorneys from Northwestern from day one, and the
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Speaker 1: Northwestern University attorneys took this case after no attorney in
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin would take it, mainly because of what Wisconsin pase
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Speaker 1: public defenders. But number two, and I mentioned it to
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Speaker 1: Tom once Um Brendan's UH testimony that he got the
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Speaker 1: information from Kiss the Girls. Um. He disputed that to me.
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Speaker 1: I interviewed Brendan at the county jail and Manito Walk
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Speaker 1: right after his conviction, and he called me about a
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Speaker 1: month or six weeks later from prison, after I had
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Speaker 1: sent a note, And one of the things he told
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Speaker 1: me is that before he went to prison, he had
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Speaker 1: never read a book. Um, but once he got the prison,
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Speaker 1: somebody sent him a collection of Harry Potter books that
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Speaker 1: he has started to read. But that was just completely
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Speaker 1: countered to his testimony that he got this information. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, John lay White, you're telling me something brand new.
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Speaker 1: So his claim that he got up on the stand
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Speaker 1: under oath and told the jury that he had a
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Speaker 1: false confession, a co Werse confession, he had nothing to
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Speaker 1: do with Teresa Hallby, It's ripe and murder, and that
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Speaker 1: he based everything he said on a book he read,
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Speaker 1: Kissed the Girls, which was later turned into a movie
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Speaker 1: with Ashley Judd and Morgan Freeman, which I saw. Now,
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Speaker 1: are you telling me, John Lee? John Lee is form
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Speaker 1: a reporter with the Post Crescent. You're telling me that
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Speaker 1: he's telling you he's never read kiss the Girls. That's
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Speaker 1: exactly what he told me. I've done somewhere over four
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Speaker 1: hundred stories on this case. I started in Mr Cock
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Speaker 1: the weekend and they found the car and interviewed Brendan
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Speaker 1: two or three times after his convictions, and he had
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Speaker 1: told me then when we had talked about it. Another
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Speaker 1: thing to take in mind is where his attorneys says
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Speaker 1: he's a special needs student. He had some special classes,
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Speaker 1: but he was basically in mainstream classes. And I from
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Speaker 1: what I remember at the trial um and he was
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Speaker 1: picked up for the last time by Tom and Mark
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Speaker 1: Weigerton and gave the last or the interview at the
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Speaker 1: Manitouk Sheriff's department. He was in driver's at That's not
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Speaker 1: a special ed student. He may be low intelligence, but
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Speaker 1: he is not special ed. Wait a minute, Okay, this
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Speaker 1: is counter John Lee to everything the defense has been saying.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I was stunned when I found out different
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Speaker 1: things about Brendon Dascy that would suggest he is not
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Speaker 1: as low and i Q as they wanted me to believe.
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Speaker 1: But now I'm hearing he's in mainstream classes. I mean,
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Speaker 1: was the whole thing and act John Lee. I mean
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Speaker 1: when I say Stephen Avery and Brendan Dassy raped her
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Speaker 1: and killed her and burned her body, everybody acts like
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Speaker 1: I'm the devil. But that is what the facts show.
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Speaker 1: And he was in mainstream classes for a majority of
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Speaker 1: his classes. There's a couple other things to bring out.
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Speaker 1: Number one is and I don't think it was admitted
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Speaker 1: at trial, but Tom and Mark Weiger also investigated a
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Speaker 1: threat that Brendan made to a high school girl who
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Speaker 1: was picking at him, and Brendan said, if you don't
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Speaker 1: want you, you're gonna end up like Teresa. The other
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Speaker 1: thing is, I found it to be one of the
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Speaker 1: most repulsive things I've seen in a confession is when
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Speaker 1: after he raped Teresa and walked out in the living
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Speaker 1: room where his uncle was sitting. He told his uncle
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Speaker 1: what he did, and Avery told him today, Brendan, you
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Speaker 1: became a man. I'm just sick. I'm just sick about
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Speaker 1: what she went through. I mean, the kid is not smart,
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Speaker 1: but he's not what we used to call Return was
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Speaker 1: screaming and crying. Two begged them not to do this thing.
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Speaker 1: And John, why did they have to cut her hair off?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Um, I'm not sure you know. The
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Speaker 1: other thing when they talked about suggestibility and he being
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Speaker 1: conned into a confession is there was a day long
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Speaker 1: hearing before the trial on admitting that testimony. There was
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Speaker 1: a psychologist from Northern Illinois. I think Rockford and his
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Speaker 1: name escapes me. Now that testify. That was all part
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Speaker 1: of the trial script transcript and it was rebutted by
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Speaker 1: the prosecution. I'm just listening to everything that you're saying, Brenda.
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Speaker 1: You have been working as a Dassy case expert. What
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Speaker 1: is your take um Dassy's claim that this was a
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Speaker 1: forced coercion and he did not write or murder Theresa hallback.
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Speaker 1: My kick is he absolutely did. I agree with you
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Speaker 1: a hundred percent, and I know the new was mentioning
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Speaker 1: before that there really wasn't any evidence that supported it
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Speaker 1: outside of his confession. I don't agree with that. My
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Speaker 1: take on it is that there was plenty of things
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Speaker 1: that substantiated what his confession said. Now some of those
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Speaker 1: are circumstantial, of course, but just a couple examples real quick.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Stephen told Brendan that he cleaned the house trailer.
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Speaker 1: He cleaned it after that house trailer was cleaned very well,
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Speaker 1: and there are phone calls that state that to Jody
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Speaker 1: a day after where he was telling Jody, his girlfriend
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Speaker 1: on a recorded jail call, that the rough doctor that
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Speaker 1: he had wasn't working and he wanted to know where
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Speaker 1: the receipt was so he could take it back. Well,
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Speaker 1: guess what, that rot doctor was gone and there was
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Speaker 1: a new distil in its place, because that's number one.
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Speaker 1: Number two bleached jeans, those were uh evidence in the
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Speaker 1: trial running trial okay number one, he stated he and
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Speaker 1: Stephen were cleaning up the stain of the garage and
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Speaker 1: it was auto fluids. Okay, who cleans up auto fluides?
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Speaker 1: That knows anything about vehicles? You don't. You use kiddie litter,
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Speaker 1: you use sand, you absorb the fluid. Who uses bleach?
24:19
Speaker 1: And backing that up, they found bleach containers, they found
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Speaker 1: paint center containers, when they found gas. All three things
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Speaker 1: that rend And said they used to clean up that oil.
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Speaker 1: Still that he eventually did ant with blood. And lastly
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Speaker 1: he stated he raped and broke up her bones in
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Speaker 1: the fire. We'll get that. They found all around that
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Speaker 1: fire pit. They found a mallet, they found a rap,
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Speaker 1: they found a hole, They found a shovel and a
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Speaker 1: strew driver. Do most normal people have those things laying
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Speaker 1: around their fire I don't fire pits, So I guess
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that are circumstantial that
24:54
Speaker 1: you can't tie together, but they do support the other.
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Speaker 1: Another thing Brenda that. Another thing, Brenda that really convinced
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Speaker 1: me Um is that he Brendan Dascy confessed to his
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Speaker 1: own mother and it's on a recorded phone conversation he
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Speaker 1: confessed to friend Kella cousin Kella Um. Multiple multiple corroborating
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Speaker 1: facts go to his confession that he could not have
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Speaker 1: known if he had not been there. I mean, it
25:29
Speaker 1: just goes on and on and on. Listen to what
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Speaker 1: he said. This is Dascy, his Avery's nephew. Avery went
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Speaker 1: to go pick up some stuff around the yard and
25:41
Speaker 1: after that we he asked me to come in the
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Speaker 1: house because he wanted to show me something. And he
25:47
Speaker 1: showed me that she was lying on the bed. Her
25:51
Speaker 1: hands were roped up to the bed and her legs
25:54
Speaker 1: were cuffed, and then he told me to have sex
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Speaker 1: with her. So I did because I thought I was
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Speaker 1: not going to get away from him because he was
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Speaker 1: too strong. So I did what he said. And then
26:05
Speaker 1: after that he untied her and uncuffed her, and then
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Speaker 1: he brought her outside, and before he went outside, he
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Speaker 1: told me to grab her clothes and her shoes, so
26:15
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Speaker 1: when he took her outside, he had tied up her
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Speaker 1: hands and feet, and then was in the garage and
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Speaker 1: he stabbed her, and then he told me too. And
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Speaker 1: after that he wanted to make sure she was dead
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Speaker 1: or something, so he shot her five times. And while
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Speaker 1: he was doing that, I wasn't looking because I can't
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Speaker 1: watch that stuff. So I was standing by the big
26:37
Speaker 1: door in the garage. And then after that, he took
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Speaker 1: her outside and we put her on the fire, and
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Speaker 1: we used her clothes to clean up some of the blood.
26:45
Speaker 1: And when we put her in the fire and her clothes,
26:48
Speaker 1: we were standing right by the garage to wait for
26:51
Speaker 1: it to get down, so we threw some of that
26:54
Speaker 1: stuff on it after it went down. Just says it
26:58
Speaker 1: very casually. I want you to hear what his grandfather
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Speaker 1: I want you to listen again to it's Stephen Avery
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Speaker 1: tells me to my face on c N N H
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Speaker 1: l N Steve and I understand that Teresa came to
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Speaker 1: your Auto Salvage lot to take photos for the auto
30:15
Speaker 1: trade or correct, Yes she did. She came down by me. Okay,
30:19
Speaker 1: And Stephen, is my understanding that also you stay that
30:22
Speaker 1: you saw her car leave? Yes, I did. About what
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Speaker 1: time between she was there between two and two thirty
30:30
Speaker 1: two in the afternoon. Okay, Stephen. How is it that
30:34
Speaker 1: her car could get all the way back in this
30:37
Speaker 1: pit area where there is uh? Well, I believe we're
30:41
Speaker 1: showing it right now. I mean, wouldn't you have to
30:44
Speaker 1: pass back by the office again? Well, on the on
30:48
Speaker 1: the out starts up the office ottawise back by me
30:53
Speaker 1: or back by Dan's pitt in the corner is all open.
30:57
Speaker 1: It's all open so you can drive in there, Mr Avery.
31:02
Speaker 1: Did you see anyone else come in, anyone unusual that
31:06
Speaker 1: didn't belong there? Well? During the night, me and my
31:09
Speaker 1: brother had to go to pick up some more with
31:12
Speaker 1: the pride bed and I've seen tale lights backed by me.
31:17
Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to be, But we turned around and
31:21
Speaker 1: we went back there. Rukr parked on the side and
31:23
Speaker 1: I took the place flight all the flood bed and
31:26
Speaker 1: I looked around by me and behind me, but I
31:28
Speaker 1: didn't see that. Two. Detective Tom fastbender who actually took
31:34
Speaker 1: Brendan Dacy's confession one of the many confessions. Tom Um,
31:41
Speaker 1: I don't know how it turns out, Tom, that we
31:45
Speaker 1: end up to be the bad guys in this scenario.
31:48
Speaker 1: I mean, Teresa Hall bat was brutally raped and murdered,
31:52
Speaker 1: and there is no doubt in my mind Stephen Avery
31:56
Speaker 1: and Brendon Dascy did it. True, Dassy may have been
32:00
Speaker 1: under Avery's you know, encouragement, but he did this thing.
32:05
Speaker 1: Nobody made him rape her and stab her and stand
32:09
Speaker 1: there and watch her body blade. What is the physical evidence?
32:13
Speaker 1: Because Avery also says he's innocent and that he's part
32:16
Speaker 1: of a police frame up, that there was a lot
32:18
Speaker 1: of physical evidence, a lot of scientific physical evidence, to
32:22
Speaker 1: include Stephen Avery's blood in Teresa hallbox raft for vehicle.
32:28
Speaker 1: It was found in many different places throughout the vehicle,
32:32
Speaker 1: including by the ignition switch, which has been mentioned uh
32:35
Speaker 1: in different forms, showing that there was an active bleeder
32:40
Speaker 1: in the car. Subsequently, when resting Stephen Avery his finger
32:46
Speaker 1: and which examined and it had a fairly fresh cut
32:49
Speaker 1: on the finger which would have been conducive to that
32:54
Speaker 1: type of bleeding. Also, there was a bullet found in
32:58
Speaker 1: the garage from Steven averys the twenty two caliber rifle
33:03
Speaker 1: that was hanging above Stephen Avery's bed in his bedroom
33:06
Speaker 1: that was forensically matched to that rifle. That bollets fragment
33:10
Speaker 1: also had Stephen Avery Teresa hall Bucks DNA on it UH.
33:16
Speaker 1: Teresa Hallbucks possessions, her camera, her pd A, her telephone,
33:22
Speaker 1: her cell phone were found just outside of Stephen Avery's
33:25
Speaker 1: trailer in his burn barrel which witnesses saw him go
33:30
Speaker 1: to putting things in that day that Teresa was abducted
33:34
Speaker 1: by him and was burning that day. Those burned remnants
33:39
Speaker 1: were found in his burned barrel. That is something you
33:41
Speaker 1: don't hear on on making a murder. As well as
33:44
Speaker 1: the forensic matchup of the bullet. Also was Steven Averis
33:48
Speaker 1: DNA on the hood latch to the hood of Teresa's
33:53
Speaker 1: Raft four UH. The battery had been disconnected on that
33:58
Speaker 1: vehicle when it was found and obviously the hood had
34:02
Speaker 1: to be open for that to be done. And Stephen
34:04
Speaker 1: a reasoning and he is there. The license plates were
34:07
Speaker 1: taken off of thereat for and those were found drawing
34:11
Speaker 1: in a junk vehicle just down the road from Stephen
34:14
Speaker 1: Avery's trailer. So as you can see there there's quite
34:18
Speaker 1: a bit of physical, scientific, physical evidence that pointed towards
34:23
Speaker 1: Stephen Avery and no one else. John Lee, I've gone
34:26
Speaker 1: over and over the physical evidence. I know that Dassy
34:32
Speaker 1: confessed to his mother, his cousin and others. I mean,
34:37
Speaker 1: he would already be up for parole right now if
34:39
Speaker 1: he had taken a deal that Kaczinsky, the first lawyer,
34:43
Speaker 1: was trying to get for him. But instead his defense
34:46
Speaker 1: lawyers put new defense lawyers put him on the stand
34:49
Speaker 1: with this unbelievable defense. What about the evidence, John Lee,
34:57
Speaker 1: and tell us everything makes you BELI leave that Dassy
35:01
Speaker 1: and then Avery in fact and murdered her on Dassy briefly,
35:07
Speaker 1: it's the forensic evidence. There's so much of it. Um
35:11
Speaker 1: on Dassy. People forget that Dassy had information that the
35:17
Speaker 1: the investigators did not have at that time. They looked
35:21
Speaker 1: at the hood latch, they looked at the garage, they
35:25
Speaker 1: picked up his blue jeans after some of his statements,
35:30
Speaker 1: um and they did not rate him or threaten him
35:34
Speaker 1: or anything. If if anybody looks at all of these
35:38
Speaker 1: confessions that were entered into evidence, and eighteen months worth
35:43
Speaker 1: of hearings before the trial they would see that if anything,
35:47
Speaker 1: Tom floss Fender and Mark Weigers treated Brendan with kid gloves,
35:52
Speaker 1: they did not threaten or anything else. Um, if somebody
35:56
Speaker 1: tells me, you know, the truth will set you free.
35:59
Speaker 1: I don't think that is a threat. If you confess,
36:03
Speaker 1: you can sleep tonight. Brendon, if he wasn't sold down
36:07
Speaker 1: the river by his grandparents, he'd be looking at for
36:10
Speaker 1: all pretty quick. He would have ten years of his
36:14
Speaker 1: sentence inn already. And you know there's jailhouse recordings and
36:20
Speaker 1: everything else, and the threats from from Avery and from
36:24
Speaker 1: his dad and other people. The the evidence as it
36:31
Speaker 1: built was just overwhelming against him. And we went through
36:36
Speaker 1: this for twenty months. Um, and then making a murderer
36:41
Speaker 1: comes out the first week in michikott before Dascy, while
36:48
Speaker 1: well before Dascy and before Avery was arrested. When the
36:52
Speaker 1: Associated Press and Milwaukee and Chicago TV stations asked me
36:57
Speaker 1: who these two women were, who would tell them it's
37:00
Speaker 1: that that's the Avery pr her, and I said that
37:05
Speaker 1: was week one during the entire trials. They arrived for
37:10
Speaker 1: trial with averys they left for Averis and had with
37:16
Speaker 1: averies that had lunch. They left with them at the
37:19
Speaker 1: end um they were joined at the hip, and it
37:24
Speaker 1: was pretty obvious to see where this was going from
37:27
Speaker 1: day one. Listen to this. I'm just gonna revisit one thing.
37:31
Speaker 1: When you're in the bedroom and you cut her throat.
37:37
Speaker 1: Previously he said that you thought she was alive. Is
37:41
Speaker 1: that still your thought on that? And why was that?
37:45
Speaker 1: Because she was pretty a little bit she was like China,
37:51
Speaker 1: not China breathing this hows she could from screaming up
37:55
Speaker 1: screaming lost. She was screaming a lot, he wasn't she
38:00
Speaker 1: us when you cut her throat? Was she screaming when
38:06
Speaker 1: you cut her throat? Because when you're screaming a lot,
38:09
Speaker 1: you're like your your breathing goes off. Her home explained
38:13
Speaker 1: that a little bit. You said she was screaming up.
38:15
Speaker 1: When was she screaming up by while you were doing it,
38:20
Speaker 1: after you did it, before you did it before when
38:31
Speaker 1: you cut her throat, What was she doing if anything
38:38
Speaker 1: like screaming for help and crying? I want to I
38:53
Speaker 1: want to get that straight. She was screaming for help
38:55
Speaker 1: and crying when you cut her throat? Yeah, when Steven
39:00
Speaker 1: choker or strangler like a little bit after Well, let's
39:09
Speaker 1: let's just go back a little bit. Okay, tell us
39:12
Speaker 1: what exactly happened to her? What order had happened? He said,
39:16
Speaker 1: they were basically three things prior to you guys shooting her.
39:20
Speaker 1: Explain those in the order that it happened. Starting when
39:27
Speaker 1: I got in a room. Yeah, what what you guys
39:30
Speaker 1: did to her? It's sex list? Okay. Then he stabbed her?
39:39
Speaker 1: And who stabbed her? He did? Who's he step? Okay?
39:44
Speaker 1: And then what then I caught her throat? Okay, he
39:52
Speaker 1: choked her? Knock off her hair? Okay, So he choked
39:57
Speaker 1: her after you cut her throat? He to I think,
40:01
Speaker 1: answer that question, it's simple. It's the confession, and that's
40:04
Speaker 1: what that the heart of this appeal. And if you
40:06
Speaker 1: read the dissenting opinion, it was a four three decision.
40:10
Speaker 1: It was extremely close. So if you read the dissenting opinion,
40:14
Speaker 1: they raised one point that's critical, which is that the
40:17
Speaker 1: state court in Wisconsin did not take into account Stephen
40:21
Speaker 1: Avery's age as a juvenile and his diminished mental capacity.
40:26
Speaker 1: So if the U. S. Supreme Court thinks that that's
40:28
Speaker 1: important enough, they'll take it and it's the confession that caught,
40:32
Speaker 1: particularly to Brendan Dascy, that caught everyone's attention because of
40:37
Speaker 1: the length, because of the twenty questions that the detectives
40:40
Speaker 1: played with him that game, giving him answers throughout feeding
40:44
Speaker 1: him quite feeding him the answers, telling him are things
40:47
Speaker 1: that you know the truth will set him free, and
40:50
Speaker 1: convincing him over time that this is what he was
40:53
Speaker 1: supposed to say. That's haught everyone's attention, and I think
40:58
Speaker 1: that's at the heart of it. The question, the technical one,
41:00
Speaker 1: whether Supreme courts didn't want to hear that or not.
41:03
Speaker 1: And sometimes you know the Supreme Court, with their Ivy
41:05
Speaker 1: League background, they like to keep their noses in the air,
41:08
Speaker 1: the ivory cloud. They may not want to get down
41:11
Speaker 1: in the jerk, but everyone else knows that that confession.
41:14
Speaker 1: Detective Tom Fastbender, I'd like to hear your response to
41:18
Speaker 1: venue again. There was many denials. There were many occasions
41:26
Speaker 1: when nothing was said to him during that particular areaw
41:29
Speaker 1: Plus you have to look at the whole picture. He
41:31
Speaker 1: was talked to two, four, four or five times prior
41:36
Speaker 1: to that particular interview, not necessarily by myself. Where he
41:39
Speaker 1: made it was extremely evident that he was knowingly lying,
41:44
Speaker 1: that he was protect trying to protect Stephen, and it's
41:47
Speaker 1: something serious with bothering him. And so law enfortunately went
41:52
Speaker 1: back to him because there was some concern in a
41:55
Speaker 1: belief that he had witnessed something horrible, not that he
41:59
Speaker 1: had parked, you know, that he had partaken in anything horrible,
42:03
Speaker 1: but that he had witnessed something horrible. So we were
42:05
Speaker 1: talking to him about that. We received information from a
42:08
Speaker 1: cousin and from the school that something was bothering him
42:11
Speaker 1: and he was making statements. So going into the interviewing
42:15
Speaker 1: question again, there was an interview of what we felt
42:19
Speaker 1: was a witness until he began making admissions that that
42:23
Speaker 1: we were tying him through his involvement in this horrible crime.
42:28
Speaker 1: If you look at the totality of all the times
42:32
Speaker 1: that Brendan was interviewed, Tom and Mark Wager did not
42:39
Speaker 1: threaten him or bade him. They did not put him
42:42
Speaker 1: under hot wide lights and withhold that's that's not the issue.
42:47
Speaker 1: That's not the issue. This video again and him answers
42:52
Speaker 1: whether a person who was a juvenile was was treated properly.
42:56
Speaker 1: There's nobody saying that the detectives beat this kid. No
42:59
Speaker 1: one saying that. But that's not the issues. The issue
43:02
Speaker 1: whether when you deal with the juvenile and whether you
43:05
Speaker 1: have somebody who's in a diminished mental capacity with a
43:08
Speaker 1: seating him answers is proper. And the Supreme Court said
43:12
Speaker 1: that this is a question. Now number one issue is
43:18
Speaker 1: number one. The issue is coersion And he was not correct.
43:22
Speaker 1: They did not where did you take many foreigns there?
43:27
Speaker 1: Where did you take many statis? And also, don't put
43:31
Speaker 1: this guy up like he's the sixty I Q. He
43:34
Speaker 1: was in mainly mainstream classes at Michikat High school. He
43:38
Speaker 1: has led classes. Uh, you know, coersion. Coersion is the issue,
43:46
Speaker 1: I think, and editing is the issue, to be honest,
43:52
Speaker 1: I think that's the way the editt Brennan's confession. So
43:55
Speaker 1: it's ten minutes, probably ten hours of statement that interviews
44:00
Speaker 1: and cherry picked exactly what they wanted you to see.
44:03
Speaker 1: That's the issue. It's how they portrayed his confession, how
44:07
Speaker 1: they portrayed everything else in their film. And that's why
44:11
Speaker 1: the public felt outraged because when you look at that confession,
44:15
Speaker 1: what they showed on making a murder, my heart was broken.
44:19
Speaker 1: I wanted Brendan to be free, and I think Brendan
44:22
Speaker 1: is a much different situation than Stephen. I think Brendan
44:25
Speaker 1: would have never done anything like this on his own.
44:28
Speaker 1: But to say Brendan was completely coerced and fed the
44:32
Speaker 1: answers when he knew there was information that he liked
44:36
Speaker 1: them too. So I I completely disagree with that part
44:40
Speaker 1: of it, and I just wanted to say that because
44:43
Speaker 1: I think that it's very much unfair with the editor
44:45
Speaker 1: the filmmakers did, and John's right. They were advocates for
44:49
Speaker 1: Stephen Avery. They they had phone calls with Stephen Avery.
44:53
Speaker 1: They were his body. So for them to say that
44:55
Speaker 1: they were not looking for UH, they were out for
44:59
Speaker 1: criminal justice reformed. And tell a truth story, don't don't
45:03
Speaker 1: impolish it, don't omit, don't place, and don't cut all
45:08
Speaker 1: important parts of the constetuers whose side. Let people make
45:12
Speaker 1: their own decision and show a true story, not their story,
45:15
Speaker 1: not their force narratives. That's how I feel about how
45:19
Speaker 1: people are also by this film. Also, if I've on
45:23
Speaker 1: yet um, Also if somebody wants a quick concrete example
45:30
Speaker 1: of creative editing without looking at ten hours of interviews
45:35
Speaker 1: and comparing then to the short ones that were showed
45:38
Speaker 1: to making a murderer. Look at some of the graphic
45:41
Speaker 1: examples that Ken Kratz's book on how that was edited
45:45
Speaker 1: from the testimony from the transcripts compared to what was
45:50
Speaker 1: in making a murderer. Um, you know, it was a
45:54
Speaker 1: hack job and it rooted people's lives. Ah. I still
45:58
Speaker 1: feel sorry for Ken's for what happened to him on
46:01
Speaker 1: different thing. But the whole thing is, people have to
46:05
Speaker 1: remember this is not about Brenda Dassy's capacity somewhere. People
46:11
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46:14
Speaker 1: what happened to her. It is about Brandon. It's about
46:22
Speaker 1: whether juvenile to receive justice, whether he was given due
46:25
Speaker 1: process under the law. Those are the legal issues you're raising.
46:31
Speaker 1: Those all were a drafted to his appeals and they
46:33
Speaker 1: were turned down and actually appealed the same exact right
46:39
Speaker 1: and it was rejected. It just this two weeks ago,
46:43
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry a week ago, and this is an
46:46
Speaker 1: issue that's going to be raised to the Supreme Court.
46:48
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a very close decision. There was
46:50
Speaker 1: a four and what I'm saying and I and that's
46:55
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46:56
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46:59
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47:02
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47:05
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47:08
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47:13
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47:16
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47:20
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