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  Speaker 1: Jon Favreau. We are driving back from the Emergency Response
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  Speaker 1: Command Center in Malibu, where I just sat down with
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  Speaker 1: Governor Gavin Newsom to talk about the L.A.
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  Speaker 2: Fires.
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  Speaker 1: The governor's team reached out to us earlier this afternoon
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  Speaker 1: on Friday and said that the governor wanted to answer
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  Speaker 1: some questions and that he would have a couple of announcements.
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  Speaker 1: He invited Donald Trump to come to California to witness
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  Speaker 1: the devastation. and called him out in the invitation for
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  Speaker 1: spreading disinformation from the sidelines. So we talked about that.
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  Speaker 1: The governor also announced an investigation into the water shortage
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  Speaker 1: that hampered the efforts to put out the fires in
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  Speaker 1: the Palisades on Tuesday night. And so we talked about that.
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  Speaker 1: We also talked about the recovery effort. We talked about
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  Speaker 1: the rebuilding effort that's to come. And we talked about
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  Speaker 1: people's frustrations and hopes who are dealing with the devastation
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  Speaker 1: from these fires. Here's my interview with Gavin Newsom. Governor Newsom,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to Pod Save America.
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  Speaker 2: Good to be with you under difficult circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: Very. We are recording this Friday afternoon at the Command
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  Speaker 1: Center in Malibu. Just before we started recording, you invited
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump to come here to Los Angeles, see the devastation. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you said the hundreds of thousands of Americans displaced from
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  Speaker 1: their homes and fearful for the future deserve to see
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  Speaker 1: us all working together in their best interests, not politicizing
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  Speaker 1: a human tragedy and spreading disinformation from the sidelines. So
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  Speaker 1: this is after Trump blamed you for the fires. He
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  Speaker 1: says it's the fault of water mismanagement. Your initial response
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  Speaker 1: to that was, I have a lot of thoughts and
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  Speaker 1: I know what I want to say. I won't. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like you're trying to walk a very fine
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  Speaker 1: line here, extending, an open hand to Trump as you
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  Speaker 1: signed your letter, but also calling him out for spreading disinformation.
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  Speaker 1: Is that because you have concerns that he might withhold
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  Speaker 1: disaster assistance when he becomes president?
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  Speaker 2: He's been pretty straightforward about that. He's tried to do
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  Speaker 2: it in the past. He's not just done it here
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  Speaker 2: in California. He's done it in states all across the country.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he did it in Puerto Rico. He did
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  Speaker 2: it even in Utah. He did it in Connecticut. In
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  Speaker 2: other states, Georgia, he got upset and withheld emergency dollars.
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  Speaker 2: In 2018, even before I was governor of California, he
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  Speaker 2: tried to withhold money down in Orange County until apparently
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  Speaker 2: a staff member, and this has been well reported, staff
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  Speaker 2: member said there were a lot of Trump supporters, and
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  Speaker 2: he decided to change his mind. And so the rhetoric
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  Speaker 2: is very familiar, and it's increasingly acute, and obviously we
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  Speaker 2: all have reason to be concerned about it.
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  Speaker 1: What's the disinformation you were referring to in the letter,
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  Speaker 1: and what is the correct information?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, what the president-elect was saying about
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  Speaker 2: State Water Project and the Delta smelt somehow being culpable
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  Speaker 2: of somehow leading to some of the challenges that we
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  Speaker 2: face down here was– it's words. It's a salad of words.
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  Speaker 2: It's a form and substance of fog. It's made up.
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  Speaker 2: It's delusional. And it's a consistent mantra from Trump going
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  Speaker 2: back years and years and years. And it's reinforced over
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  Speaker 2: and over and over within the right wing. And so
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  Speaker 2: it's become gospel. And it's so profoundly ignorant. And yet
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  Speaker 2: he absolutely believes it. It's not an ignorance on his part.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of an indelible misinformation that he sort of
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  Speaker 2: manifested a falsehood And he decided to bring it into
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  Speaker 2: this crisis in a profoundly demeaning and damaging way. I
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  Speaker 2: say demeaning to the facts, demeaning to the people that
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  Speaker 2: were suffering and struggling, to the kids literally who were
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  Speaker 2: watching their schools burn down. I was just talking to
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  Speaker 2: a staff member, a good friend, whose house was burned down.
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  Speaker 2: And his four-year-old as they're driving away, say, Daddy, do
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  Speaker 2: you remember, did you get my bunny? And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I got four kids. No empathy, no compassion, no capacity
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  Speaker 2: to even to understand. Just a guy wants to be understood. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's hard because a lot of people were misled. And it's,
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  Speaker 2: I think, led to a lot of finger pointing and
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  Speaker 2: consternation and at a time when we're quite literally, and
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  Speaker 2: I say literally because second before I was here, I
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  Speaker 2: just got the latest briefing, we're bringing cadaver dogs out
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  Speaker 2: there in some parts of the fire where people are
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  Speaker 2: still potentially missing and we've already lost 11 lives.
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  Speaker 1: People are just devastated in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: They're scared.
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  Speaker 1: They are angry. Some of that is directed at local officials,
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  Speaker 1: state officials, you. We talk about how some of that
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  Speaker 1: anger is based on you know, inaccurate information from Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump and others. But from your perspective, is there anything
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  Speaker 1: the state of California could have done to be better
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  Speaker 1: prepared for a fire like this? And is there anything
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  Speaker 1: the state could have done better or faster in responding?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you always have to have some humility and grace
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  Speaker 2: as it relates to that question. And I'm very self-critical
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  Speaker 2: in that respect. And so we, in every incident, do
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  Speaker 2: an after-action report And we will take a sober and
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  Speaker 2: reflective look at that. But let's just look at the facts.
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  Speaker 2: Just in the last few years I've been governor, we've
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  Speaker 2: close to doubled the investments in CAL FIRE, the state
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  Speaker 2: firefighting force. Close to doubled the number of personnel. We've
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  Speaker 2: increased the size of our aerial fleet by 16 new helicopters.
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  Speaker 2: We were finally able to get from the Pentagon seven C-130s.
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  Speaker 2: We got the first one up there. You saw it
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  Speaker 2: up there in the CAL FIRE flag on this fire.
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  Speaker 2: We had pre-positioned Saturday our State Office of Emergency Service.
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  Speaker 2: We all got together before this event, days before the event,
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  Speaker 2: and we agreed to pre-position in six counties here in
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  Speaker 2: Southern California. Hundreds and hundreds of assets. Let me be
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  Speaker 2: specific about that. On Sunday, we had 110 engines, hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of personnel, specialty crews, dozers, water tenders, helicopters, We pre-positioned
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  Speaker 2: them strategically in multiple counties. And because we had pre-positioned them,
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  Speaker 2: they were first on the scene. Many of these people
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  Speaker 2: supplementing the resources of this local fire department dealing with
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  Speaker 2: overwhelming winds in this overwhelming fire that I happened to
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  Speaker 2: be present at within its first few hours and saw
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  Speaker 2: firsthand the hurricane winds and the embers going as far
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  Speaker 2: as two miles That was overwhelming for the thousands of
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  Speaker 2: people that were down there fighting them concurrent not just
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  Speaker 2: here in the Palisades With the fire out there at
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  Speaker 2: Eaton and some other fires five current active fires as
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  Speaker 2: we're dealing with today 12,000 personnel currently working 175 engines
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  Speaker 2: that have come from five different states We have people
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  Speaker 2: from around the world offering resources notably from Canada and
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  Speaker 2: Mexico And we're putting everything we have at it.
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  Speaker 1: You just sent a letter telling LA and LA County
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  Speaker 1: officials that you're directing the state to investigate the causes
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  Speaker 1: of lost water supply and water pressure during the fires.
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  Speaker 1: I believe there was also a large reservoir in Pacific Palisades,
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  Speaker 1: the San Ynez Reservoir, that was closed for repairs during
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  Speaker 1: the fire. Local officials have said the demand for water
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  Speaker 1: was just too great to maintain the pressure in the hydrants,
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  Speaker 1: especially since aerial water support wasn't available immediately due to
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  Speaker 1: the high winds. Do you not believe that explanation?
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  Speaker 2: No, it may be the absolute explanation, but there's so
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  Speaker 2: much mistrust and finger pointing. Let's just get the facts
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  Speaker 2: and let's get them out quickly. Let's stop the finger pointing.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just assess the truth. I'm not interested in who's
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  Speaker 2: to blame. I want to know what happened. It's a
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  Speaker 2: perfectly plausible analysis on the basis of personal experience with
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  Speaker 2: some of the biggest fires in US history, the Tubbs fire,
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  Speaker 2: what happened at the Camp Fire, what happened in Maui,
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  Speaker 2: that you get systems that are completely tapped out and overwhelmed.
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  Speaker 2: They weren't designed for these level of fires. And so
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  Speaker 2: that explanation is the one that sort of almost, I
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  Speaker 2: won't say universally, but I bet if you talked to
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  Speaker 2: nine out of 10 of the folks that are out
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  Speaker 2: here at the command, they would subscribe to that point
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  Speaker 2: of view. Others are saying, no, it was the pump
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  Speaker 2: that went down. It's the pipes. It was the electricity.
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  Speaker 2: So let's just get the facts. It's DWP that ran
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  Speaker 2: this system. And we want to make sure this never
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  Speaker 2: happens again. Do we need more redundancy? Do we need
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  Speaker 2: to harden? I remember I was mayor of San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: We did a bond to significantly reduce upgrade our infrastructure
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  Speaker 2: because we're concerned about a catastrophic earthquake and how that
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  Speaker 2: could overwhelm our pumping and fire suppression system. So we
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  Speaker 2: want to determine all those facts, not on the basis, again,
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  Speaker 2: of finger-pointing and assigning blame, but accountability, and we want transparency.
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  Speaker 1: One of my best friends just lost his house in
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  Speaker 1: the Palisades. He just moved in a couple months ago.
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  Speaker 1: He was able to get his two kids and his dogs,
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  Speaker 1: and that was it. Lost everything else. He texted me
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  Speaker 1: the investigation announcement and said, what's going on here? Is
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  Speaker 1: he just trying to pass the blame? And just to
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  Speaker 1: your point about the finger pointing and the blame, so
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  Speaker 1: many people are so angry and You know, how do
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  Speaker 1: you see that in a moment like this when you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out, A, you're governor of the largest
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  Speaker 1: state in the country, and what happens in L.A. isn't
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  Speaker 1: always going to come across your desk, but also you're
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  Speaker 1: ultimately responsible as the governor of the state.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. I want to know the answers. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: the governor of California. I want to know the answer.
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  Speaker 2: I've got that question. I can't tell you by how
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  Speaker 2: many people what happened. my own team saying what happened.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to get the answers. And I'll be
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  Speaker 2: candid with you, I wasn't getting straight answers. I watched
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  Speaker 2: the press conference. I met with some of those leaders.
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  Speaker 2: We had my team start talking to local leaders saying
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  Speaker 2: what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: And you weren't getting straight answers from the local leaders.
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  Speaker 2: I was getting different answers. And so for me, that's
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  Speaker 2: not a story. When you start getting different answers, then
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  Speaker 2: I'm not getting the actual story. And they're assessing it.
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  Speaker 2: And I get that as well. You have a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of grace back to the point. We're in this
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  Speaker 2: emergency environment and everything else. So I just want to
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  Speaker 2: determine the facts. But no one has any patience anymore.
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  Speaker 2: In this weaponized, back to the grievance of Trump, everyone else,
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  Speaker 2: there's immediacy. And lies travel the proverbial world, and it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to get the facts out there unless you have
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  Speaker 2: the backing of those facts, and you can communicate them soberly.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's what we're trying to achieve as it
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  Speaker 2: relates to this. But I have 10 other things we're
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  Speaker 2: doing concurrently as well. I mean, across the board on recovery,
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  Speaker 2: on disaster assistance, getting the major disaster declaration, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: the first one in U.S. history over a text. with
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  Speaker 2: the White House within literally 36 hours to get 100%
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  Speaker 2: reimbursement for folks out here. We've been working concurrently in
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  Speaker 2: all of these areas. We're doing executive orders as I
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  Speaker 2: speak as it relates to recovery and land use, dealing
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  Speaker 2: with speculation and fraud and trying to address issues on
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  Speaker 2: the Coastal Commission here and address the issue of planning
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  Speaker 2: permits and how we address all of the myriad of
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  Speaker 2: needs for small businesses, all of this in real time.
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  Speaker 2: as the state, even though this is not a state responsibility,
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  Speaker 2: are to support the city and the county that are
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  Speaker 2: overwhelmed at this moment.
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  Speaker 1: Do you, as you were talking about sort of misinformation
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  Speaker 1: on how fast it travels, one thing I was saying
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  Speaker 1: on the show yesterday is I feel like in this age, politicians,
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  Speaker 1: elected officials need to almost over-communicate, communicate as much as possible.
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  Speaker 1: You've done that throughout your tenure. Do you think that
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  Speaker 1: Mayor Bass should have canceled her trip to Ghana when
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  Speaker 1: she knew that they were going to be an extreme
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  Speaker 1: weather event?
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  Speaker 2: I literally can't judge it. I don't know when she left.
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  Speaker 2: I can't assess that. It's not on it. And I
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  Speaker 2: mean this like, at peril, my response appears to be
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  Speaker 2: political because I literally do not know when she left.
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  Speaker 2: I know when she came back. I know that when
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  Speaker 2: I was on the scene a few hours after the
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  Speaker 2: original 10 Acres was announced, that her team was on
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  Speaker 2: the phone and we were coordinating and we were hand
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  Speaker 2: in glove in that respect. And I was grateful for that.
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  Speaker 2: And I felt confident in the command response and the
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  Speaker 2: team that was assembled at the site. That said, I
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  Speaker 2: was not confident on the basis of the hurricane winds
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  Speaker 2: that we were experiencing, that we were going to be
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  Speaker 2: successful in saving a lot of those homes for one
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  Speaker 2: reason that the firefighters were coming down saying, Our focus
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  Speaker 2: right now is creating safety corridors. Our focus right now
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  Speaker 2: is saving lives and making sure people get out. Then
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  Speaker 2: we focus on property, and then we'll get to perimeter.
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  Speaker 2: Because of the acuity, the extreme unprecedented hurricane force winds
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  Speaker 2: and how they were swirling in every conceivable direction, this
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  Speaker 2: is not a big deal at all. But we went
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  Speaker 2: up to one of the canyons on the fire, sitting
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  Speaker 2: there feeling we're a good quarter mile away, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: making this up video to bear it out. All of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, we see an ember hits the tree. Tree
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  Speaker 2: goes on fire. 100 seconds. God is my witness. May
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  Speaker 2: have been 90 seconds. The house is in flames. I
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  Speaker 2: have embers of flames are taking it off my hair
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  Speaker 2: and we're running back into the car. Winds are swirling around.
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  Speaker 2: Garbage cans were in the air and we were getting
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  Speaker 2: the hell out of there. That's how quick. And we
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  Speaker 2: were with experts. We were the leaders with a force
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  Speaker 2: who said, we're good. We just want to take you close,
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  Speaker 2: keep you safe. And all of a sudden they were like,
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  Speaker 2: they all said, never experienced anything in January, in January.
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  Speaker 2: And I remind people that drought, I mean, you know, everybody,
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  Speaker 2: how dare you bring up drought? Well, it's real, it's real,
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  Speaker 2: but plenty of water down here. I mean, all the
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  Speaker 2: reservoirs more than full, uh, though this one reservoir, this
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  Speaker 2: local reservoir, that's part of the inquiry. Uh, that was
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  Speaker 2: something that wasn't communicated originally. That was one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons to answer the question of your friend and others
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  Speaker 2: as well about getting straight answers. that triggered me saying, enough,
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• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Thank God. Magic Spoon has turned their super popular high-protein
• 18:04
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• 18:07
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• 18:11
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• 18:15
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  Speaker 1: Magic Spoon's high protein treats are crispy, crunchy, airy, and
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  Speaker 1: the go. They come in mouthwatering flavors like marshmallow, chocolate,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: peanut butter, and dark chocolate. I can't get enough of
• 18:38
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• 18:40
  Speaker 1: granola packs in 13 grams of protein and zero added sugars.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: They come in delicious flavors, honey, almond, and peanut butter.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Can't wait to try the granola. Really excited to get that.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And obviously, I love the treats. I often use them
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: as sort of a quick protein snack during the day.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And yeah, they're great. My in-laws are staying with us.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And my mother-in-law opened the pantry and noticed just like
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: eight boxes of Magic Spoon in a row. And she
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: was like, so do people like this Magic Spoon? And
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I love it. She's like, yeah, no, I
• 19:12
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• 19:13
  Speaker 2: All over the house. It's everywhere.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: But also... Lots of people like it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: It's really delicious. I love the peanut butter. Still my
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: favorite to this day. You know what I like? Birthday cake. Oh, nice.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: It's good.
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• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I ask you this because I know you've been someone
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: who cares a lot about modernizing government, bringing technology to government.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And this is an L.A. County thing, but... they have
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: been sending out emergency alerts, evacuation alerts that are wrong.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And most people in L.A. now have downloaded this watch
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: duty app, which is sort of up to the minute
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: evacuation orders. And people are relying more on this. And
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: they've been doing great work. I don't know who's behind it,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: but it's a nonprofit. But I was struck by people
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: relying on watch duty app. And then we're all sitting
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: there in our house and the emergency evacuation goes off
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and people are close to the perimeter and freaking out.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, how is that happening in 2024?
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, these are precisely the kinds of things.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: There are thousands and thousands of things that happen. Some big,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: some small, some you read about, some you never know about,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: some you experience, something someone else experiences. All part of
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: an AAP, which is the action after action report that
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: we put out. And it's, in fact, I encourage people,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I was just looking at the Woolsey after action report,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and there were a lot of good lessons learned from that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: And of course, we had a fire. We had fires
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: in November down here, fires in December. Went so far,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the Franklin scar that actually was, we were able to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: hold the line. That's around the Franklin scar right there.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: That was because it was burned just recently in December.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: So all those things are analyzed. But let me just
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: say this on the technology. We have people all around
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the world coming to California because we're leaders in technology,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: on artificial intelligence, We did a procurement sprint called RFI2,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: where we're literally doing sandbox. We changed the whole procurement
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: strategy on how we adopt technology and we pay for performance.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: We have a program called Technosilver, which does predictive mapping,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: FIRIS systems. We have a DOD contract work for years
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and years, finally got into the Biden administration for satellite technology,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: drone technology, and surveillance. All of these alert cameras, thousand
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: plus AI alert cameras that are calling before 9-1-1, someone
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: calls 9-1-1, to get to early suppression. As I say,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: double traditional workforce as it relates to boots on the ground.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: We have 2,000 more firefighters that are in the budget
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: for the next few years. We put out a forest
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: management plan with 99 specific actions to address vegetation management,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: forest management. $ 4 billion to back that up. $ 2. 5 billion
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: that's been spent. $ 1. 5 billion that's in this year's new budget.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And on that, 100% I'm not making this up. We
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: had a big press conference a few months ago on this.
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  Speaker 2: 100% of those 99 actions are either adopted or are
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: being adopted. We waived CEQA and environmental rules as it
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: relates to getting defensible spaces. We've tried to move heaven
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and earth as it relates to forest fire, forest management,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: vegetation management, et cetera, to support locals and to address
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the anxiety people have. We had the National Guard doing
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: hand crew work here on day one. We call them
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the rattlesnake teams. I got 855 National Guard as we
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: speak working not just the lines on the fire, but
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: also offline doing traffic management and supporting and supplementing a
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: lot of the police force. But again, technology is a
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: big part of this. We're not just running the old
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: fire strategies. We're leaders in adaptation and adoption. And a
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: lot of that at scale at the state level, not
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: fully implemented to your point at the local level, but
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: that's starting to change. And we're seeing a lot of
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the private sector, not just the public sector, begin to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: advance some partnerships that maintain a state-of-the-art mindset.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I want to ask about the rebuilding effort. The legislature
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: just began a special session on Thursday to prepare the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: state for legal battles with the incoming Trump administration. Have
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you thought about calling a special session focused on recovery
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and rebuilding?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just talking to both legislative leaders today.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: We were text exchanging because we had lousy cell service
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: up there. And we're going to get together on whether
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: we need to do that. I'm already working on the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: executive orders. We're looking to codify some of the executive
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: orders through legislative action. Do we need a special session
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: to do that or we can do it in a
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: regular session? I'm open to either. I'm happy to do
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: whatever moves the needle forward. We already have tracks on
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: insurance in the state's fair plan, reinsurance. I got a
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: track on utilities, what this means to the utility sector
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: more broadly. Obviously, we're investigating responsibility, culpability. Is it arson?
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Is it a public power agency? Is it private? Power agency,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: all those things are being determined in real time. We're
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: working on a recovery posture as it relates to if
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: an atmospheric river comes here in the next few weeks,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: floods and mitigations as it relates to hazardous waste, traffic management.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: All teams are running these parallel tracks in real time as, again,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: we're trying to suppress these five fires.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Palisades alone has something like $ 6 billion of insurance exposure
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: under FAIR, California's insurance program, not nearly enough to rebuild
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: those homes. Should the state step in and help finance
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the rebuilding of these homes, or do the homeowners have
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to do it themselves?
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: There was an estimate of $ 5. 9 billion, which I think
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: you're referring to. These are back-of-the-envelope estimates. Wall Street Journal
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: did some $ 57 billion. I mean, people haven't even been in.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I just got an area that no one, trust me,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: had been in. So I don't know how the hell
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you've assessed all the damage. It's some aerial assessments, and
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: there's damage happening in real time. But they're catastrophic. The
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: number of buildings still estimated. I mean, it's well north
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: of 10,000, 12,000, 15,000. I mean, it changes by the hour. Structures.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And what's a structure? Is it a full home or
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: is it an ADU? Is it, you know, what it
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: is exactly? So all that's going to be stress test.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Here's the concern. You've had a market, insurance market all
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: across the country, not even unique to California, that has
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: been stretched and impacted by climate change. Let's just be candid.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: And the inability in some states like California to do
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: climate modeling, as it relates to rate structures as well.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: We've made reforms in the last year to include climate modeling.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: We've made some reforms, ironically, that just last week led to,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and this is not my words, led to, they announced
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: because of the reforms, led to a new insurer going
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: into Paradise, California to reinsure people there that have already
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: recovered and moved back in. So we're finally making progress
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: on that. And obviously this is going to set us back.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: That said, Fair Plan has a reinsurance plan It reimburses
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: anywhere from 30 to 90%, depending on the size of
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the claim. There's a socialization as it relates to the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: fair plan. It's not a state plan. It's not a
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: public plan. It's run through this insurance, this pool of
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: which the current insurers market participate. And so there may
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: be a bleed into the pockets of those, and we'll
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: see the impacts more broadly, the rates across the state.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: You have a lot of higher end homes, that were
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: insured not by your traditional California insurers, but by international insurers.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: That's also being assessed. All of that is happening in
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: real time. Like I said, we have a whole team
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: just on the insurance market looking at utilities. Remember, in Paradise,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: it led to the bankruptcy of PG & E, the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: largest investor-owned utility in the United States of America, where
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: we created a new fund under SB 1054, a wildlife fund,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: which we're also stress testing right now. All of these things, again,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: in real time.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: What's the future look like on insurance, though? I mean,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: thousands of people had their insurance policies canceled even in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the weeks before the fire. I know the insurance commissioner
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: came out and said, moratorium for a year on any
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: place that's been impacted by the fire.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's legislation I just signed, and I'm glad he
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: exercised it. And he also called for a voluntary extension
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: of that for an additional six months. We want to
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: get into the commercial sector as well. So that was
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: timely that we at least were able to do that.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: So anyone that did lose... their home, they cannot cancel
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: your insurance, legally cannot cancel your insurance for a minimum
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: of a year. Again, we'd love to see that extended,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: and we may need to look at legislation. Again, trying
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to find the balance between market pressures, realities, and costs,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: meaning the burden on the monthly plans. So people were
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: pulling back, seen it across the country. Rates here, I mean,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: it's ironic. California has, and trust me, I'm on the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: receiving end. I lost one of our homes, which is
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: in the WUI. We're on the fair plan because we
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: lost private insurance. We pay more than the mortgage on
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the property just for insurance, and it's significantly underinsured.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Wooey is wildland urban interface.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: So I intimately understand the challenges of this. That said,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the market was beginning to stabilize again. Farmers made announcements.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: They were moving back in. So all of this, we
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: need to unpack and figure out what it's going to
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: do to the market. But adjustments will need to be made.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: And again, we'll move quickly since we're back in session.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: be it a special session or regular session, and drive this.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Down the road, though, how do you make sure that
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: insurance companies will even insure people in places in California
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that are vulnerable to fight, that will be more vulnerable
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: as climate change worsens?
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: In the executive order I did a year ago where
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: we talked about the prospect of allowing forward-thinking climate modeling
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: for the first time to allow for rates to be
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: established and also work in the insurance commissioner-led this effort,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: it requires... if you're entering the market and you're going
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to increase rates a certain percent, that you have to
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: insure within these WUI areas. So there's an actual prescriptive
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: requirement that requires in return for any rate increases, a
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: comparable commitment to actually insure and not just run out
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: of the market. So again, this is the balance. You've
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: seen it all throughout the United States, obviously in the South,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the impacts of these hurricanes, a place like Florida, the
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: rates are off the charts. California is ironically a little
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: below the national average. No one feels that way. I
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: certainly don't as a rate payer. But this obviously is
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: going to impact all that. Look, it's going to impact,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: we have tax collection issues, property tax issues. We're putting
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: our budget together. Clearly the IRS under a major disaster
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: declaration is going to extend taxes We'll have to conform
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: with that appropriately in the state of California, so you're
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: going to budgeting a little differently with economic. This is
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: a tentpole of the economy in the state, among the tentpoles,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: in a state that's a tentpole of the U.S. economy,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the fifth largest economy, $ 3. 86 trillion-a-year economy, where, by the way,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the economy is starting to boom again. Our revenues, we
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: just announced today, have $ 16. 5 billion from what we projected
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: just six months ago. That was announced today in terms
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: of the top line And so this comes at an
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: inopportune time. Um, and obviously with the transition, uh, and
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: power in, in Washington, DC. So a lot of challenges.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Do you think people in Los Angeles need to think
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: twice about living in the hills and canyons and, and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: people in places that are, you know, vulnerable to fires
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and other climate?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Well, there's, it's the new reality. I mean, we say
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: it all the time. The hots are getting hotter, dries
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: are getting drier. Wets are getting a lot wetter. These
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: atmospheric rivers, you know, just these, these just rain bombs. Um,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: that we're all experiencing. We have changed everything. I mean,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I've put out a new water management plan in the
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: state of California. We fund it with billions and billions
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: of unprecedented investments in infrastructure. In that space, got to
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: change conveyance, got to change the way you capture water,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: not just above ground, but below ground. We got to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: change some of our environmental rules, which we've been proactive about.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And that's constant challenge. And that's, again, what Donald Trump
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: was speaking to specifically. We may have more in common
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: than he thinks. We may have a lot less in
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: common in other ways than he thinks on that.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: More in common in that there are some regulations and
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: environmental rules that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the simplicity to which he marks this,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: it's a deeper dive. Though I think you did a
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: pretty damn, you did a masterclass on this. I think
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: it was yesterday. Oh, yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: And we learned all about the smell.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: No.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So I would refer to the previous podcast, which went
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: off to trot on all grounds here. But that's what
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Trump's doing. And these are golden oldies going back decades
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: and decades in California. But it's not a binary. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: want more flexibility. I'm ready to work with anyone in
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: terms of modernization. Back to the point, not just on
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: infrastructure as it relates to capturing water, but recognizing we
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: have to change the way we design and build our communities. Ingress, egress,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: redundancy systems, perfect example, what that letter represents to understand
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: what's going on. By the way, That letter wasn't just
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: for this. It was for every other community. And what's
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: going on? What other similarly situated communities are there? I mean,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: no one denies this. There is no fire season. If
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: someone says that, it's become laughable. I just said, I
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: reminded everyone, we just had the Franklin Fire in December.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: We had the Mountain Fire in November, just down here
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: in Southern California. There hasn't been any meaningful rain since
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: last May. And here we are in January with the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: prospects of the next 10 days. I mean, dry, it's
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: 72 degrees out here. And so that's reality. You deal
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: with reality. And so you're going to rebuild. You've got
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: to rebuild, as the president said today, better in the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: context of materials. And we need to reward better construction
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: with lower rates for insurance. We've got to design our
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: communities with public safety in mind. And that's what we
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: learned in Paradise, which had a P.O. box to your
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: question of should we move into the WUEI. it goes
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: back to the gold rush. Who came first? And so
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: you tell communities that have been around since the beginning
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: of this state being around, you've got to vacate because
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: now you're too proximate in a world of climate change
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: to the beauty and the majesty of the state. So
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: it's tough, but obviously land use has to radically be rethinked.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: We have an affordability crisis as it is. How do
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you make sure that people can rebuild their homes as
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: fast as possible without dealing with the usual red tape bureaucracy.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: How do you make sure this doesn't lead to California
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: becoming an even more expensive state to live in?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Well, we've been hammering, hammering the last six years on
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: reforming housing and reforming our regulatory system. I created a
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: housing accountability unit because I wasn't satisfied. 540 actions, tens
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: of thousands of units we've unlocked. We're suing cities because
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: they're not zoning. They're not building housing fast enough, not
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: even market rate housing, let alone workforce housing, and low-income housing.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: And so we're going to continue to drive accountability. In fact,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: we strengthened our accountability rules and regulations last year. We're
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: reforming our environmental rules. As I said, 42 CEQA reforms.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: But specific to your question around this rebuild, the executive orders.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: We run executive orders. I want to work with the
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: legislature to codify those executive orders. Time value to construction.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Get the permits. State Deal with all of those. Create
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a specific timeline. Making it up. We're working on the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: exact date, so don't hold me to it. 120 days.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Get the permit. And do it in a way that
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: we've done it with the experience at hand in other
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: communities that have been severely ravaged by wildfires. I remind you, Tubbs, 5,600
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: units impact. And we're rebuilding that community. 18,000 in Paradise.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: So we know... how to do this. We've done it
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: in the past. We learn, we iterate, but the scale
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: of this is going to require us to be better
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and do better. And I'm not waiting back to doing
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: everything at once. We are going to be making announcements
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: quite literally in the next few days to specifically answer
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: that question through the executive authority that's vested in me
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and then get to work with the legislature in this
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: legislative session. Last question.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a message for people who have lost
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: everything in these fires and who are scared and angry
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and frustrated and concerned that, you know, the state's going
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to forget them or leave them behind or they're not
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: going to be able to rebuild.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: That's not in our DNA. It's just not in our DNA. Look,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: maybe it's nature or nurture. Five generations from San Francisco.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I grew up in San Francisco. The flag of San
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Francisco is the phoenix, phoenix rising. I mean, the San
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Francisco pre-1906 versus San Francisco today, we built back stronger, better,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: more vibrant, more dominant in every category, every way, shape,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: or form, our spirit, sense of pride, purpose, mission. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: that's exactly what's going to happen down here. I mean,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I told you, the campfire, there was no way that
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: was ever going to be repopulated. The fact that kids
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: are back in school, we never turned our back on
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: those folks. We'll never turn our back. on the folks
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: down here, not just here on the coast, but those
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: folks and that very diverse community near Pasadena and Altadena
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and those communities that have been impacted by the Eden fire.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: We will be back. We have their back. I was
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: with the FEMA director today. I want that disasterassistance.gov, disasterassistance.gov.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Anyone that's been impacted, go to that. We've got this
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: major disaster declaration. I said to FEMA, you're not turning
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: your back in the short run. We want you back.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I don't care what the administration is. They still have,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: by the way, a FEMA office from 1994 related to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: impacts here and disasters from 1994. And we're actually expanding
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: that office in Pasadena for being the new FEMA office today.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: They never left. We're not going to turn our back.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: We're not leaving.
• 37:09
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