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Cornish Ghost Stories with The Alchemy Witch. · The Corn(ish) Witch

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SPEAKER_03: In the evening we went down, sat in the bar.
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SPEAKER_03: And it got to about two o'clock in the morning, and we all saw this like shadow walk across the wall.
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SPEAKER_03: And it headed towards the bar.
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SPEAKER_03: And as it got to the bar, all the mind this was like one of the stormiest nights we'd had that year.
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SPEAKER_03: So it was like the stormiest of the atmosphere was insane.
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SPEAKER_03: It was very, very creepy, very pathetic fallacy.
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SPEAKER_03: But this shadow had gone towards the bar, and as it got to the bar, all the lights went and just like shut down.
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SPEAKER_01: Jenna, the Alchemy Witch.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Cornish Witch Podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: Hello, thank you for having me again.
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SPEAKER_01: You're very welcome.
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SPEAKER_01: How have you been?
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SPEAKER_03: Riding the waves of the energy.
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SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of planets in retrograde, and the full moon was very, very intense the last few days.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know if anyone else was feeling that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: The full moon last night was beautiful because it was right above Dartmoor, where where my view looks out.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I was like just on my balcony, and I was like, wow.
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SPEAKER_03: It was the Hunter's Moon or Blood Moon, wasn't it?
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SPEAKER_03: Which traditionally would have been when we did our last round of culling of the animals before winter.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, lovely.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I feel like we've got every planet and their mum in retrograde in the moment.
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SPEAKER_03: All of them are in there having a party.
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SPEAKER_01: Why?
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SPEAKER_01: We ain't got enough going on.
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SPEAKER_01: Throw that in there.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I think before we get into our episodes, our spooky episode, um, I think we should let the world know about our little our little project.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so we are Cornish Alchemy.
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SPEAKER_03: We've come together to try and create a community space for local pallas.
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SPEAKER_03: So this is your people on the spiritual path, your healers, your folk people, your wise women and men, your witches, anyone that is on this path of just walking their own sovereignty and waking up to the beautiful magic in the world.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, we're looking at running like workshops and classes and just bringing like-minded people together and really learning off the sacred ancient lands that we live in, uh, learning about the traditions that the Celtic ancestors would have lived by and walked.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, just yeah, really connecting back to our roots and our community.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And we're hoping to, well, but we're starting to now do workshops every six weeks.
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SPEAKER_01: So every time the wheel turns, and our first one, which was sold out twice.
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SPEAKER_01: Our first one is coming up this Saturday on Soin, which will be a Sowan workshop.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which is which is New Year's.
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SPEAKER_03: It's one of my favourites.
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SPEAKER_03: So it's a good one to start off with.
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SPEAKER_01: Very exciting, and then we will move on to our your tied one on the 19th of December.
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SPEAKER_03: Dark you're like really sinking to that dark winter, telling a few ghost stories.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: Also ties us beautifully into our topic today.
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SPEAKER_01: Does, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah, ghost stories.
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SPEAKER_01: So I thought because it's something it's soin on Saturday, or for those who don't, you know, practice witchcraft or spiritualism or you know, paganism, wheel of the year, Halloween or Halloween or Halloween's Eve.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh so spooky seasons, sort of pinnacle, I suppose.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you can't have the thin thinning of the veil without some good ghost stories.
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SPEAKER_01: Exactly, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So we brought some Cornish ghost stories to read through, and then maybe we could discuss it and analyse it a little bit as well, like to see.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So what ones do you have?
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, I think I'm gonna start off with Corma's most notorious spirit, who is Jan Trigle.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, so he was he existed in the 17th century and he was a magistrate, but also then became a murderer.
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SPEAKER_03: And he was known for having this really cruel sort of personality and persona to him.
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SPEAKER_03: The sort of legend goes that to stop his soul from entering hell, he was given endless impossible tasks to complete.
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SPEAKER_03: Just redeem his soul and stop it going to hell.
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SPEAKER_03: And so some of these tasks would be things like emptying Does Mary Paul with a pierced limpet shell, or making rote out of sound.
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SPEAKER_03: And so, yeah, he spent his basically the rest of his life doing these endless tasks, and locals will claim that you can still hear his wailing on stormy nights.
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SPEAKER_03: Whereabouts is this I wanna say Guinever, you're gonna have to bear with my pronunciation.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I wanna say Guineva Cove.
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SPEAKER_03: Guinevere Beach, which is Penzanceway.
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SPEAKER_01: So he went from being a man of the law to going to going against the law and just murdered people.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I guess it's that thing that even though he was a man of the law, that doesn't necessarily mean that he was a good man in the whole time he was in the magistrate, so it's it's that irony of yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Abuse of power.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: So who did he murder?
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SPEAKER_03: So the name Anne was mentioned, which could have been his wife.
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SPEAKER_03: So he was a magistrate in Bodmin.
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: So you can still hear him wailing.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so on the stormy nights you can still hear his wails that like his soul kind of crying out in desperation from all the sort of treacherous, endless tasks that he was put through.
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SPEAKER_03: I guess his soul never got to rest.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can't have your cake and eat it though, can you?
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SPEAKER_01: You can't like you can't be like, I'm gonna go and murder people, or but I don't want to go to hell for it.
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SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, what whoever it may be, whether it's the devil, a demon, or some sort of guardian of of so-called hell, goes, Okay, well, you know, if you don't wanna, you know, pay the price for the awful things that you've done, you can just do these endless tasks to stop yourself from going going to hell.
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SPEAKER_01: And then he's sort of wailing in the afterlife, going, Oh, it's not fair.
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SPEAKER_01: Tough shit.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, tough shit.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't get away with it that easy.
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SPEAKER_01: You can't have your cake.
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SPEAKER_03: And like thinking if he was a magistrate, like think about all the people he would have put away.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Whether it was rightly or wrongly.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, there would have been a lot of karma on his plate to balance out.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he's he's down, his soul is down to fraternity.
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SPEAKER_01: Sounds like, yeah, but he'll never be resting.
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SPEAKER_03: So if you're down that way and you hear wailing, that that will be who you'll hear me.
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SPEAKER_01: He just let it go on a bit like fuck that guy.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a real real evil laugh.
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SPEAKER_01: Witches.
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SPEAKER_01: Cool, okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Who's next?
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SPEAKER_01: Who else do you have?
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SPEAKER_03: I think one of the areas in Cornwall that fascinates me the most has to be the Borderman area.
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SPEAKER_03: Because obviously you've got the jail, but you've also got what used to be the asylum, which is now the mental health service, um, like mental health hospital.
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SPEAKER_03: But I've heard some incredible ghost stories from people that worked at the asylums out there.
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SPEAKER_03: Apparently, it was a very common experience that staff would walk down the corridors and you'd hear someone walking behind you.
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SPEAKER_03: It's very true.
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SPEAKER_03: And yeah, they'd look behind them, there'd be no one there to the point that this happened so much that staff would just stop turning around because they knew nobody would be there, that it would be a ghost.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, and then obviously, yeah, all the stuff at Baldman and just Baldwin in general has got some very intense, heavy energy different to Dartmoor energetically.
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SPEAKER_03: I know when I went and I think we spoke about this in the last podcast actually, but I when I went to Baldwin jail as a child, had quite a personal experience there, which I think was my past life remembering something very traumatic.
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SPEAKER_03: And I know other people that have had similar experiences, and obviously the treatment of witches over there, it would resonate with some of us.
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SPEAKER_03: Because I think my I can't remember her name now, but I remember when you walk around Baldman jail and there is a story of the witch who basically cursed the jail, and they had I think it was then infested with crows, and it there would just be like hundreds and thousands of crows like flying around the prison, and that was her like last sort of hex onto the prison before they killed her.
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SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, I remember reading that as I went around the jail and just be like, you go get out.
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SPEAKER_03: I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: Just shit all over them.
8:37
SPEAKER_01: It's funny you talk about uh the hospital.
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SPEAKER_01: When you say um, when you say the hospital, do you mean the hospital that's there now or the old one?
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SPEAKER_03: The old one, because yeah, I think some of the old one has now been turned into flats, which is quite interesting.
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SPEAKER_03: Um that's very common, you know.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it is.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Whereas yeah, they've now redone up the new one and they've got more of a modern mental health facility now.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I used to work on mental health wards in Budmine Hospital.
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SPEAKER_03: Brave girl.
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SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you, working on a night shift on an acute mental health ward during a full moon is no joke.
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SPEAKER_03: No.
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SPEAKER_03: You've got balls of steel, mate.
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SPEAKER_03: I that would not be me.
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SPEAKER_01: But like, I never experienced anything whilst I was working there.
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SPEAKER_01: As in like nothing, nothing I didn't see any ghosts.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't like unsettling.
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SPEAKER_01: Nothing nothing unsettling, but you could definitely feel the there were just some things that you just your body just said no, we're not going that way today.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, some of the wards were more intense than others, depending on how poorly people were.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, some people were under a section, you know, where there were sections for like six months, and sometimes that section would be extended because they were so still so unwell, and they could be in a ward for like, you know, a year.
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SPEAKER_01: And if that ward had seclusion rooms and going down the seclusion corridor, because when you work on a seclusion room, if someone's in seclusion, you kind of like it's there has to be someone on the other side monitoring them and writing down what they're doing pretty much every minute, or like every five minutes.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's whether they're just you know sitting on their bed, you know, what's their breathing rate like?
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SPEAKER_01: Are they conscious?
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SPEAKER_01: Are they sleeping?
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SPEAKER_01: You have to keep you just have to log everything that they're doing.
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SPEAKER_01: And so depending on how volatile that patient was, you know, depending on what sort of psychosis they were experiencing, or just perhaps they were just angry at the situation that they were in because it's a very frustrating situation.
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SPEAKER_01: Walking down that corridor, because the corridor where the seclusion rooms were on one of the walls, you'd need us, you'd have to swipe to get in because it was airlocked, and you would just feel the energy as soon as you walked through that door, it was like, fucking hell, I already don't want to be allowed here for the next hour.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't you just had to just sort of suck it up and carry on.
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SPEAKER_01: But at night it was just as it was just a different cut of fish.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you just felt like the energy was just very oppressive and sometimes just quite sad as well.
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SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I didn't do many night shifts because I didn't like them.
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SPEAKER_03: I think that's it with places like this.
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SPEAKER_03: It's not always like malevolent spirits that are there to cause like havoc or mischief.
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SPEAKER_03: It is just, yeah, the the trauma that these people went through, and it's it's that energy that's still lingering.
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SPEAKER_03: And especially when we talk about Cornish buildings, a lot of them are really thick with granite, which is such a hardy stone that holds everything in.
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SPEAKER_03: So that energy has nowhere to go.
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SPEAKER_03: It is literally trapped within those walls.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Um you get that you get t stone tape theory.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Which is really and that's like that, it holds that residual residual energy and like has it just echoing.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Like like it's on right, it's on like repeat that scenario or whatever happened.
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SPEAKER_03: And it does make you wonder, doesn't it?
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SPEAKER_03: Because say, like the mental asylum and stuff, if those if those souls have never had that chance to rest, it's yeah, it it just my heart goes out to them a little bit because it's like even after passing, it's like they've never been able to find that peace.
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SPEAKER_03: They're still playing out through their suffering.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Actually, I think this is what has really drawn me to kind of dabbling more with ghost work and like hunting.
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SPEAKER_03: It's a lot of the time these spirits just want acknowledging, just want someone to send them a bit of love and just to help them transition.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: And let go of whatever it is that's keeping them attached to this physical realm.
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SPEAKER_01: So apparently there's tunnels under Bobman Hospital which lead back to the old hospital.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And we think that's quite common.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think it's quite common for older hospitals to have tunnels underneath them.
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SPEAKER_01: I I suppose if a hospital, like an asylum back in the days, asylums were huge.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, because it was a place for people to go, you know, to get well and to get better and to feel safe.
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SPEAKER_01: It was that asylum.
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SPEAKER_01: So they'll have like, you know, buildings everywhere, farm shops.
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SPEAKER_01: It would be like, you know, it could be up to like three, four miles long.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think tunnels were really quite common and quite normal.
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SPEAKER_01: And also they also had that also have like the body shoots as well.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, then just tunnel bodies down certain tunnels, some to the morgue or, you know, to a chapel of rest.
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SPEAKER_01: But I think there are tunnels still from the hospital where it's currently at to, I mean, you can't go in them now, but to where I think it was.
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SPEAKER_01: But I knew I spoke to a lady who used to work on the inpatient wards when she was younger, and she just said she just experienced paranormal activity all the time to the point where it was just she just shrugged it off and was like, you know, that's that's part and part of the parcel.
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SPEAKER_01: But she said she remembers sort of sitting down, having a cup of tea, and the doorway in front of her had like stairs, so she could see some stairs in the doorway in front of her, and she just looked up and she just saw skirts, like Georgian or Victorian skirts, just sort of going up the stairs, like a fucking flower tomato thing.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, wow, like that's amazing.
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SPEAKER_03: Scary, scary, but yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: I think it always amazes me when people sit because I don't see visual stuff, so when people have actually seen a ghost or like fragments or something moving past, I'm always like, oh.
13:44
SPEAKER_03: Um but yeah, it's a sh it's a shame that those tunnels aren't open anymore.
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SPEAKER_03: Because what a I wonder if people do have access to them, because what an interesting bit of exploration that would be.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I think I think the maintenance staff would probably have access to them.
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SPEAKER_03: It'll be a health and safety.
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SPEAKER_03: It would be a massive health and safety.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, and also I think because it's still an active hospital, they couldn't really they couldn't hold those tours because there are there are still very poorly people there.
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SPEAKER_01: Unless the hospital moves again, maybe they don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, tours being turned into apartments is a really common, common thing.
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SPEAKER_01: And then you get some you get some mad go stories from the It's kind of like what do you expect?
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SPEAKER_01: You know?
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SPEAKER_01: It's like if you're gonna go and build on or next to a graveyard, you can't expect nothing to sort of, you know, happen.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: I wonder if people moved and moved into these flats knowledgeable of the history of the site they're on, or if they just go in completely blind.
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SPEAKER_01: I think they go in completely blind.
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SPEAKER_01: Unless unless they are of a spiritual, ghost hunting, pagan, richy nature, you know, or they've grown up with ghost stories or they know about stone tape theory.
14:51
SPEAKER_01: I think I think the majority of them are going, this looks awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, let's move in, and things are going bump in the night.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like it comes with a little extra.
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SPEAKER_03: What about you?
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SPEAKER_03: What's your favourite ghost story?
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SPEAKER_00: So, oh, this one's great.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna read this out to you, and then I'm gonna tell you something about it at the end.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So, Warlegan.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, if anyone listens to Polark, they'll know the name Warlegging.
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SPEAKER_01: This is a Paul Dark watch is Paul Dark one idea, but Warlegin is actually a little hamlet in um on the Bodmin Moor.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is Ghost of Cornwall by Peter Underwood.
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SPEAKER_01: So he visited Warleggan.
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SPEAKER_01: Even the brilliant sunshine on the day I first visited the former rectory here could not dispel the gloom and apprehension and air of apathy that hung over the place like a heavy cloud of doom.
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SPEAKER_01: The last incumbent eccentric Reverend Frederick William Densham, who served the parish from 1931 to 1953, is thought to still haunt the house and grounds, so the rectory and the church.
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SPEAKER_01: The house has a very weird atmosphere.
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SPEAKER_01: He painted the interior rooms red, yellow, and blue, and he painted the interior of the church in the same glaring colours.
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SPEAKER_01: He built a barbed wire fence all around the rectory garden, which he guarded with fierce dogs.
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SPEAKER_01: He refused to hold services at times convenient for his parishioners, and generally he lived at odds with the local people.
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SPEAKER_01: After a church inquiry into his conduct in 1933, the church council resigned in a body and never went near the church again.
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SPEAKER_01: Since no one went to his service, many entries in the service book read on the lines of no fog, no wind, no rain, and no congregation.
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SPEAKER_01: In what surely must have been genuine unhappiness and sorrow, he cut out figures in wood and cardboard and fixed them to the pews, and to them he preached and offered absolution.
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SPEAKER_01: He gave the rooms in the rectory biblical names.
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SPEAKER_01: He painted large pink crosses on the doors inside the rectory.
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SPEAKER_01: He preserved an ancient hiding place in old cellars, and eventually he fell down the stairs and died because he could not reach the bell pole that would summon his servant, who was quartered in the stables.
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SPEAKER_01: Long before the Reverend Frederick Densham was here, a previous building had occupied the site, lived in by Ralph DeTrimer, the tremor, who is thought to have celebrated Black Mass in the church.
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SPEAKER_01: Certainly he burned the host, a small wonder that Warlagin is haunted.
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SPEAKER_01: When I was there some years ago, the house was empty and the garden overgrown.
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SPEAKER_01: Both are certainly haunted.
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SPEAKER_01: I was assured, and there are numerous accounts of the sad, dark figure of Frederick Densham walking where he used to walk, towards the empty church, on moonlit nights or up the drive to the locked and barred door of the empty rectory.
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SPEAKER_01: Sitting where he used to sit and preaching where he used to preach in his torn cassock and dusty hat.
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SPEAKER_01: I heard stories of many odd happenings, some possibly paranormal in origin, and of the strange individuals who are drawn toward Legan.
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SPEAKER_01: But they never seemed to stay very long in a place of ghosts and hollow memories.
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SPEAKER_01: So that was by Peter Underwood, his book, Ghosts of Cornwall.
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SPEAKER_01: My mum and brother lived in that rectory a few years ago.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Strapping.
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SPEAKER_01: My mum and brother moved down to Cornwall in 2016, and they moved to the rectory uh in Warleggan on Bobman Moor.
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SPEAKER_01: Now by that time it had been completely done up, the gardens, the house, it'd all been completely refurbished, it'd been turned into flats.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think there were four flats.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: And one of the flats um was a permanent caretaker.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, and it was just absolutely beautiful.
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SPEAKER_01: It still is beautiful, it's it's gorgeous, and especially like with what the current owners have done with the place now.
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SPEAKER_01: So my mum and brother um moved into uh an apartment there, and it was um an apartment on the second floor, two-bedroom apartment.
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SPEAKER_03: And did they know the history before they moved in?
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: So they were there from 2016 to 2019.
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SPEAKER_01: And because then we all sort of moved to Launston and I came down, and you know, we've all been sort of in North Cornwall ever since.
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SPEAKER_01: But I would go down and visit.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's there's complete truth to this story.
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SPEAKER_01: The inside, the interior doors of the rectory um have got crosses, pink crosses painted on them, because the doors have that panel where it looks like a Christian cross.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:25
SPEAKER_01: So he did paint them and write biblical names on all of the interior doors, which was really creepy.
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SPEAKER_01: The church, which you can which you can access through the grounds.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's just in complete disarray, like disarray.
19:36
SPEAKER_01: It's um it's it's falling apart.
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SPEAKER_01: Like there's like a huge, huge like branch of ivy just sort of growing and tendrelling down from the bell tower.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: Um it's beautiful, it's very beautifully eerie, but it's it's eerie.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: I think some of the cardboard cutouts were still there.
19:55
unknown: No way.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: I think there were some there still, the wooden ones, maybe, or I might have just imagined it.
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SPEAKER_01: But I think, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So I would have visited in 2016 and 2017 and 2018, and um, I never liked being in there on my own.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: So, like so you'd walk, you'd walk into like the kitchen living room area, it was all open plan, and then you had like um a bedroom off to the kitchen and the bedroom off the living room, and then on the other side of the living room, that was bathroom, and I just never liked being in there on my own.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: I just didn't just didn't like it.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: I just kind of felt like my back was up, like my hackles were up.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: There was always something watching me.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I'd always try and shake it off because I just wanted to enjoy my time down there.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to focus on whatever I was sensing.
20:36
SPEAKER_01: I never slept well when I was there at all.
20:40
SPEAKER_03: Your body telling you something.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: Like I'd like I'd like share my mum's room and I just did not sleep well.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: Like you know, I was like tossing and turning, I was always awake in the night, I was always in a light sleep.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: Mum's neighbours across the hall, and it was like an apartment across the wall, but they were a young couple and they I think it was getting towards the end of their relationship because suddenly lots of arguing between them started happening.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: Lots really sort of upset the balance, and that's when things started to get very strange in the rectory.
21:08
SPEAKER_01: Like my mum noticed that things would fall off the wall, but there was nothing open, there was no window open.
21:13
SPEAKER_01: In order for something to fall off the wall, you'd have to like physically pick it up off the hook and then let it and then have it drop.
21:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there was no way to agree with that.
21:21
SPEAKER_01: Just things, unexplainable things like things being moved, but you never moved them, doors opening, but you know you closed it, lights being on, but you know you switched it off before bed, that sort of thing.
21:31
SPEAKER_01: But the scariest thing is my brother woke up one night to a figure standing at the end of his bed, and that figure was in the figure of what looked like Reverend Frederick Denjam, because he looked scary.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: So there's photos of him and he would wear a yeah, like a big cassock, he'd have two walking sticks that were canes, and he'd have like this really sort of wide brimmed hat.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: But his face, I think he was a very, very thin man, his face was hollow, so like.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: His cheeks were very hollow, his eyes were sunken and quite dark.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: And the driveway up to the rectory, there's no lights.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: It's so in when it's dark, it's fucking dark.
22:10
SPEAKER_01: Like it is so it's like it's like black velvet, it's so dark.
22:13
SPEAKER_01: You'd probably just have the light coming from the windows of the rectory.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: So if you had someone in a like a long cassock and a wide-brimmed hat on two canes walking up the drive, like it'd just shit you up.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: It would shit you up completely.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, my brother woke up to a figure at the end of his bed and he was like, I'm like, I think it shit him up, if I'm honest.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't even like to talk about it.
22:34
SPEAKER_03: God, yeah, my body's gone cold just thinking about it.
22:37
SPEAKER_03: It's like when you get a sleep paralysis demon and you see like a hat man or how much look how long after that did he move out?
22:46
SPEAKER_01: I think they moved out pretty quickly after that.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: I think but I think they were already in the process of of sort of getting the house, getting the mortgage in the house, and you know, signing everything off and completing.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: I think they might I wonder if did they change bedrooms?
22:59
SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: I'll have to go back and ask my mum again, but I know that my brother doesn't like talking about it at all, at all.
23:05
SPEAKER_01: My mum didn't experience anything like my brother did, but she felt felt felt it when it was the energy was off.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: And yeah.
23:13
SPEAKER_01: And apparently there's like a secret room that no one's found in the rectory as well.
23:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm gonna have to do some research into this and maybe go on and have a little note.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: But the foundation of the building, the actual foundation, is um around a thousand years old.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: So this is what the caretaker was telling us who lives there.
23:30
SPEAKER_01: And then obviously prior to that, they had um uh that that gentleman who lived there who celebrated Black Mass.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: So it's gonna do all of that energy there as well.
23:40
SPEAKER_03: The bit I found interesting, it was a very random detail, but did it say that he painted it all red, blue, and yellow?
23:47
SPEAKER_03: Three primary colours.
23:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so he painted I'm just from a psychological perspective, this man's behaviour is quite fascinating to me.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: Red, yellow, and blue.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, primary colours.
23:59
SPEAKER_01: And he painted the interior of the church in the same colours with barbed wire fence all around the rectory garden and guard dogs.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: And he, you know, he completely lived at odds with his parish.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: So they all stopped going to church because they didn't because he just kept doing things his it sounded like it it was his way or or no one else's way, like his way or the highway.
24:22
SPEAKER_01: And it's like you can't as a reverend and you're moving into a new parish, you can't then just sort of go and upset the balance and like change the status quo.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: I mean it and then just have your service at inconvenient times when people work and people are busy and living their lives, you know, suddenly sort of social isolate themselves because he just wasn't willing to ban to meet the people of the community.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: But you're meant to serve the people of your community when you bought an interesting revenue to range.
24:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:55
SPEAKER_03: Thank you for sharing that.
24:56
SPEAKER_01: Oh you're welcome.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: I didn't I didn't enjoy being there, like I said, it was uh yeah, it always gave me the creeps, so I was gonna have money left.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: Um do you want to talk about Dock Acre House?
25:11
SPEAKER_01: Have you got any information on Dock Acre House?
25:14
SPEAKER_03: Well, not so much Doc I'd probably let you talk Dock Acre House, but I was looking into it because I think I when I was doing some research into ghost stories, Launchdon came up as being this is debatable, but being the haunted capital of Cornwall, with Dockacre House and obviously all the air around the cattle being the oldest parts of the town.
25:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
25:32
SPEAKER_03: So there is a lot of energy and a lot of history there, and there was a lot of work houses.
25:36
SPEAKER_03: You had like the witches tower where all the witches were burnt.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: No witches were burnt at the witches tower, but that's a really common real common misconception.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: People like to just sort of spin for a bit of a ghost story.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: They were held at the witches' tower, they were and then they were sent away to trial.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: There was no witches burnt to sell.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: No, so it's it's really common because a lot of people think that witches were burnt and they weren't.
25:58
SPEAKER_03: Uh okay, that makes more sense.
25:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
26:00
SPEAKER_03: Dockacre Road was the one that kept propping up a lot.
26:03
SPEAKER_03: Um, and obviously you've got Dockacre House, which is quite fit.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: And the workhouse is next to Dock Acre House as well, it's just around the corner from it.
26:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's a lot of energy in that area of town.
26:14
SPEAKER_03: Because yeah, I think it was a couple of weeks ago you told me the story of Dock Acre House.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:18
SPEAKER_03: And it is quite a cool one.
26:19
SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna let you share this because you know it better than me.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: So Dockacre House is allegedly the most haunted house in Lawnston, and it's a very, very old house is lived in.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: And I know the people who live there, but I won't won't mention their names because you know I want to keep their keep their privacy.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: That's important.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's got it's got a bit of a dark history to it, Dock Acre House.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: Um it was lived in by a gentleman called Nicholas Hurl, and it said that Nicholas shot his wife Elizabeth.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Accidentally.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: But a lot of people or design, a lot of people think it was on purpose, and he shot her on the staircase of Dark Acre House.
26:59
SPEAKER_01: So I think it was just still sort of isolating her from home.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: But the second tread of the stair, because where he shot her, it left a bloodstain on the second tread of the stairwell, and that bloodstain stayed there.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: You couldn't get rid of it, it was like an everlasting bloodstain.
27:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, and they removed the treads to get rid of the bloodstain.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so Nicholas Hurle was a barrister, and he was also the mayor of Lawnston twice, between 1716 and 1721, and he died in 1728 outside of Cornwall and Helmstead.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: There are pastor portraits of both Nicholas and his wife Elizabeth that are still hung up in Dockacre house.
27:37
SPEAKER_01: They're still there.
27:38
SPEAKER_03: But it's not his wife that wants the house, is it?
27:40
SPEAKER_03: They say that it's his steward that wants the house rather than hers.
27:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's interesting because, like you said, she was mad.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: She had mental health issues, but back in the day she would have been, you know, seen as just a mad, a mad woman, you know, a lunacy.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: And he locked her away in the small upstairs room and then proceeded to sort of systema systemically starve her.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: He would starve her.
28:00
SPEAKER_01: Probably th he probably thought, you know, it would k it would starve the madness out of her, you know.
28:05
SPEAKER_01: There was no such thing as sort of like psychiatrists or antipsychotics or therapy back in those days.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: So it was either Yeah, just starve the madness out of her, um, which is you know, it's it's torture, isn't it?
28:17
SPEAKER_01: It's you're not only isolating someone, but you're you're also torturing them.
28:21
SPEAKER_01: Um and they said he sort of overdid it with starvation.
28:26
SPEAKER_01: Um and she was sort of really cl close to almost death.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: So she was like completely like emaciated, really, really thin.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: She was sort of her body was shutting down and she managed to escape her room and she was almost at the bottom of the stairs of that second tread.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: Um and then apparently he accidentally shot her dead.
28:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, Nick, sure.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: All right, Nick, whatever.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you would think that her ghost would be haunting the house because she was like a tortured and trapped soul, and you know, she she lived in she was basically imprisoned and starved and tortured, you know, during the times that she was the time she was on Earth.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, it's mainly his ghost that is apparently meant to be there and that he's been seen.
29:13
SPEAKER_01: He he is seen throughout the house, but but mainly in sort of like the main hall, which is interesting because he died like in Hampstead, which has got to be like 200, more than 200 miles away from Cornwall.
29:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:24
SPEAKER_01: So clearly he had a connection to the house when he died.
29:27
SPEAKER_01: And he died in 1728.
29:30
SPEAKER_03: That's interesting.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but he is also credited with playing the flute.
29:34
SPEAKER_01: That's I did the sort of lore around the houses is that if someone hears a flute being played in the home, it's an omen of death.
29:43
SPEAKER_01: Oh yes, so death is coming, like someone is gonna die, there a death is about to occur in the house.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: The flute is still there, I think.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: I believe the flute is there, it's it's sort of locked away, um, and it cannot be played by a mortal man, so that they lock it up.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'd be like I wouldn't have it in the house, but it's still there.
30:01
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, and I think part of it had also been made into a walking stick as well.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: But there's also an association with walking sticks and Dockacre house, which is really interesting.
30:13
SPEAKER_01: The tradition is, and this isn't just sort of like, you know, in the books that I have, but also like, you know, just pe folk talk around town as well.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: But whenever someone, whenever the house is handed over to a new owner, apparently, or allegedly, I'm not saying this is true, this is just sort of gossip and folklore.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: Allegedly, there is a clause when you sign the papers that you are not allowed to remove the portraits and you're especially not allowed to remove the walking sticks.
30:40
SPEAKER_03: And you said the walking sticks are kept up in the attic.
30:42
SPEAKER_03: I believe so.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:44
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: So they're kept in a sack in the attic and they are sort of subject to paranormal supernatural interference.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: So if they what if they're not kept in a particular order, they rattle.
30:56
SPEAKER_01: The walking sticks rattle, and you have to sort of and if they don't get put in the correct sequence, they rattle until they sort of order themselves into the correct sequence that they prefer to be in.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: So it's like they have their own little personality.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: It's like they don't like being next to certain walking sticks, and it's like, I don't want to be next to the cane, I want to be next to the guy further up.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: Even walking sticks have got a life, yeah, so yeah, uh there there is that, and then there's also they've also got like loads of other collections, like someone's just like a sword stick.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: So you know how like in Victorian times you'd have like a gentleman walking and then he'd suddenly like pull a sword out of his cave and be like, yeah.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: So there's one of those sort of sword sticks, which is very cool.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: Walk um a cane.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: Stick with a detachable knob so you can secrete poison.
31:44
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
31:45
SPEAKER_03: Well that well, all of these walking sticks supposedly is Nicholas.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: I don't have any information.
31:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but the thing is, like, I don't know, what did they have?
31:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I would suppose they would have yeah, they back in the 1700s they sort of have like walking sticks with like swords hidden in them all, ways you can like have poisonous vials in a walking stick.
32:05
SPEAKER_01: But I don't know if they were Nicholas's or not.
32:08
SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
32:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it'd be really cool to read into the energy of those, wouldn't it?
32:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: And they also call the flute playing spirit the man in red as well.
32:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: Very interesting.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: But I've I've I knew someone who worked in that house.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: So they were like doing a bit of painting or decorating and building, like they were helping it being refurbished.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: And they didn't they just didn't like it.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: That it was just they don't believe in ghosts.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: They don't, they're not, they're a very logical, rational person.
32:40
SPEAKER_01: And even though they were like, I would never go back to that house again.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: Never.
32:45
SPEAKER_03: That's the same.
32:46
SPEAKER_03: And I absolutely adore the people that uh brave enough to live with.
32:50
SPEAKER_03: I I get some people are so into their ghost art, it just yeah, they've got nerves to steal.
32:55
SPEAKER_03: I got the heebie jeebies just walking past it from the outside.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because it's quite I mean, I think from the outside, the public, you you're only seeing like a part of the house.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: It's the back of the house, really, that you're seeing, you know, so it's not it's not much to look at, but I think the front of the house, because it's also private and it's got a lovely driveway and there are gardens, I think it actually looks quite pretty from the front, but from what the public see, yeah.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: And because of the because of the colour it's painted, which is like that dark mustard yellow.
33:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:24
SPEAKER_03: So it's eerie.
33:24
SPEAKER_03: It's almost orangey, isn't it?
33:26
SPEAKER_01: It's very, it is very eerie.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hats off to the people that are living there.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: I think they went in knowing as well.
33:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I you've got to a place like that fly me, surely.
33:36
SPEAKER_01: You think they went in knowing and going, okay, well we're gonna make it work.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna make it work, and we're gonna make it work with the spirits and the sticks, and we're gonna lock that flute up.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: Protections sound really high.
33:52
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, then just around the corner from there, so like, I don't know, about maybe 300 yards is the workhouse.
33:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:59
SPEAKER_01: And that's got some energy to it.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: The workhouse has got some uh well, all workhouses, as we know, have very dark history.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: I went to go and view a property actually, because they're again they've all been turned to apartments.
34:11
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: So I went to go and view an apartment there.
34:14
SPEAKER_01: I just no the apartment was lovely, and I'm and it had been made into an absolutely lovely home.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: It was freezing.
34:22
SPEAKER_01: It was freezing, and it was still quite warm when I went to and I just did not feel comfortable in there at all.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: And there was uh there was an attic hatch in the living room, and I was like, absolutely not, yeah, yeah.
34:38
SPEAKER_01: So it was like yeah, spooky.
34:42
SPEAKER_03: It's a fascinating bit of uh yeah, history, Launchdon, like considering how long I've lived down here and how local Launchon is for me, and only recently yeah, sort of educated myself on all of this.
34:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
34:52
SPEAKER_03: It's not spoken about enough, and I just yeah, I think your book, what we were just looking through, like there is literally ghost stories for every part of there's obviously Bodmin, Bodmin Jail, Lan Hydrock House, Borventor, and which is uh Jamaicum Inn and Daphne de Maurier.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: Boss Castle was there this morning.
35:10
SPEAKER_01: So obviously you've got the Wit Museum of Magic and Witchcraft, which is gonna ho host a lot of paranormal activity with all of the stuff that they've curated and collected and exhibited over the years.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: So that's gonna be like a a hotbed of paranormal activity and energy.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: Um but the Wellington Hotel uh is a 16th century coaching inn, and that's meant to be haunted as well.
35:34
SPEAKER_03: One I really want to go to is it the Highwayman Inn on Dartmoor?
35:38
SPEAKER_03: It's the one that's got like the big shoe outside of it.
35:40
SPEAKER_03: That's meant to be quite a haunted part.
35:42
SPEAKER_03: I wanna go have a little exploring there at some point.
35:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that would be good.
35:47
SPEAKER_03: And just even like when you look at like the folklore and stuff, because one of my favourites is do you know the hairy hands?
35:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh, loved that when I was growing up.
35:54
SPEAKER_01: I think it's like near Princetown on Dartmouth.
35:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, over to Princeton is you've just passed two bridges, and yeah, there's that like stretch of road, and every time I drive it, I grip my steering wheel and I'm just like gosh, yeah, because I remember reading that.
36:08
SPEAKER_01: I think it was a motorcyclist.
36:10
SPEAKER_03: It tended to be people on like push bikes or motorcycles.
36:14
SPEAKER_03: I think there was a few accounts of people in cars, but yeah, mostly seems to be motorcyclists.
36:19
SPEAKER_01: It used to terrify me that story as a child.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: It used to terrify me.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: And then a couple of years ago, I went on a date to Princeton, and it just did not occur in my mind at all.
36:28
SPEAKER_01: And I was like driving over Dartmoor in the dark, across those two bridges, across to get to Princeton.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: And the whole time I was thinking, well, it'd be so awful if like someone in like a in like a hooded row just sort of walked out aerily across across like from my car.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: Because my mind likes to do shit.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what you're not the first one.
36:46
SPEAKER_01: It's evil, and my mind is like it likes to just mess with me.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: And it's you know, I'm just there on the way to on the way to the pub for a to meet someone for a drink, and my mind goes, let's fuck you up a little bit, shall we?
36:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, but then when I got back, I realised that I'd been driving on the road and every hands are, and I was like, never going back there again, ever.
37:05
SPEAKER_01: I think so.
37:06
SPEAKER_03: Um there's yeah, some great folklore around Dartmoor.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: There's another pair of hands on Dartmoor ghostly hands that come out.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're blue.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're blue ones.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, I at least I think they're blue.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's another, but not hair, they're not hairy, they're just sort of blue, blue hands that come out.
37:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
37:20
SPEAKER_01: Dartmoor's got a whole, yeah, it's a whole hub of stuff on there, which is awesome.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's just such height between the moors and just calling a joke, like we've just got so much height energy here, and then you throw in all the quartz and like the energy from the actual like crystal that's in our rocks as well.
37:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, amplifying it all in the ground that then holds it all in.
37:42
SPEAKER_03: We've got so many ley lines running.
37:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
37:46
SPEAKER_03: Um yeah.
37:48
SPEAKER_03: I think it's something that needs to be a little bit celebrated more.
37:51
SPEAKER_03: Um, because it is a huge part of Cornish history.
37:55
SPEAKER_03: Um we kind of push it aside because it's woo-woo and not logical, but I know, but then I think it's but then for Halloween, then for Halloween, everyone wants a fee.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, I get that Bobman jail um needs to cap needs to obviously capitalise, especially at this time of year, you know, and it and then it's like everyone's suddenly like, ooh, and then for the rest of the year they're like, nah, that's bullshit.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: It's like you can't pick and choose when you want to believe.
38:19
SPEAKER_01: Ghost stories aren't just for Halloween, they're not just for Halloween.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: So what else do you have?
38:24
SPEAKER_01: Cornish ghost stories, spoopy horn tales?
38:28
SPEAKER_01: Jamaican being classic.
38:30
SPEAKER_03: Because I did a little, I stayed there.
38:32
SPEAKER_03: I don't see terrified myself, but um, yeah, that was quite an experience.
38:36
SPEAKER_03: What happened there?
38:37
SPEAKER_03: Thankfully, because I think the worst rooms at Jamaican, I think it's number four and number five, which is like the other end of the corridor to where we were.
38:44
SPEAKER_03: So straight away I was like, well, at least I'm not in the worst room.
38:47
SPEAKER_03: And but we stayed in the old bit of the Jamaica in, um, rather than like there's like the new side.
38:53
SPEAKER_03: And we'd just like gone down to the bar area at night and we were I'd taken my dowsing rods down.
38:58
SPEAKER_03: But while we were up in like the rooms, I connected in to a young female who we then found out the name was Hannah.
39:06
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I knew she had like pigtails in her hair and like a little like dress on.
39:10
SPEAKER_03: And there was like a moment when I had the dousing rods, and she was just like skipping and laughing around the room, and the dowsing rods were just spinning, like absolutely mental.
39:18
SPEAKER_03: The energy was really cool, and we spent quite a lot of time with her, and she kind of just attached herself to us because she was like, Oh yeah, girl time, I want to come hang out with the girls.
39:25
SPEAKER_03: Another old lady in our room, but she didn't want anything to do with us.
39:28
SPEAKER_03: She was like, I'm here, leave me alone.
39:30
SPEAKER_03: Like, I'll respect you if you respect me.
39:32
SPEAKER_03: So we were just like, Yep, that's fine.
39:33
SPEAKER_03: And then in the evening we went down, sat in the bar.
39:36
SPEAKER_03: And it got to about two o'clock in the morning, and we all saw this like shadow walk across the wall, and it headed towards the bar.
39:44
SPEAKER_03: And as it got to the bar, all the bearing in mind this was like one of the stormiest nights we'd had that year.
39:50
SPEAKER_03: So it was like the stormiest atmosphere was insane.
39:52
SPEAKER_03: It was very, very creepy, very pathetic fallacy.
39:55
SPEAKER_03: But this shadow had gone towards the bar, and as it got to the bar, all the lights went and just like shut down.
40:01
SPEAKER_03: And then we're sat there in the bar and pitched back, and we all just went, I think there was one friend who wasn't scared, and she was just looking at us all like, What's wrong?
40:08
SPEAKER_03: We're like, No, that's it.
40:10
SPEAKER_03: That felt like us being kicked out.
40:12
SPEAKER_03: It was like until that moment, we'd felt welcome, and there was no like there was no heavy energy, like you could sense things, but we felt safe, we felt content, and that moment it just felt like it was them going, No, no, we want our bar back now, get the fuck out.
40:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so we didn't feel welcome, sort of beyond that point, and then yeah, we all kind of just went back up to our rooms.
40:31
SPEAKER_03: But I was sharing a room with my friend who just like falls asleep in an instant.
40:34
SPEAKER_03: So I'm lying there the whole night, just like like terrified.
40:38
SPEAKER_03: Were you in room four?
40:39
SPEAKER_03: No, we were in I think it was room eight or nine, we were like the other end of the corridor.
40:43
SPEAKER_03: It's like every time we'd have to go down the stairs, I'd look down the corridor towards like room four and five, and that entire corridor had a really eerie energy and like none of the lights were on, yeah.
40:54
SPEAKER_03: Like we'd all run down and just be like, with the water.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: Did you have to did you have to go?
40:58
SPEAKER_01: Did you have to look at it in order to go?
41:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because we were on the left, so like your corridor would join up with that, they like join up and then both go down the stairs.
41:06
SPEAKER_03: So like you can't, it's like dead in front of you, and you're trying not to look, but then you're also getting drawn into looking at the same time, but it had very heavy energy, and I was like, Yeah, I'm really grateful I wasn't staying in that bit of the building.
41:18
SPEAKER_03: And like outside you can hear horses' hoofs and like carts going past there.
41:22
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and but in the room we were staying in, there was like one corner of the room that was really cold, and we couldn't pin what it was.
41:32
SPEAKER_03: We were like, What is that corner?
41:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then it was when we went down to the museum the next day, and right underneath where that corner of our room would have been, there was a Ouija board.
41:42
SPEAKER_03: And we instantly were like, That's what I was feeling feeling! Like not like, oh, that'll be it.
41:50
SPEAKER_03: But then we were watching like the little video they do, and they were talking about Hannah and another ghost called Jack, and those were the two that we'd like kind of honed in on.
41:58
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
41:58
SPEAKER_03: And then we'd watched the videos on them, and we were like, Yeah, that's unlike they brought up a picture of the little girl, and I was like, that's exactly what I saw.
42:05
SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, that was quite affirming.
42:08
SPEAKER_03: But we had Hannah and Jack, which were nice spirits.
42:11
SPEAKER_03: I know there are a few malevolent ones there because it was just smugglers in, but overall it was quite a nice experience.
42:18
SPEAKER_03: It was just like, yeah, that two o'clock point came, and it was just like, yeah, get out of.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
42:24
SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
42:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:26
SPEAKER_01: That is very I mean, I don't know whether I would I've been on ghost hunts, but I haven't experienced anything like that, like you have, like hearing hearing the horse hoofs and seeing the shadow and the lights immediately going down and you know, the unexplained cold spot.
42:41
SPEAKER_01: I haven't experienced that on ghost hunt.
42:43
SPEAKER_01: I sometimes wonder if I'm a bit sort of spiritually cop-blocked, like my spirit guides are like no no no no no no no.
42:50
SPEAKER_01: Like she's not she's not looking at that, like you know, she's too fragile.
42:54
SPEAKER_03: It's funny, isn't it?
42:55
SPEAKER_03: Because I do think we come into this this life with a bit of a contract around I don't when I say I see things, it's like I can mine's more of the clair cogniance and like clairsentience.
43:05
SPEAKER_03: So I feel things and I can kind of use those senses to build up my own image, but I don't actually get the visual.
43:11
SPEAKER_03: Whereas some people like, yeah, they all see ghosts or they'll hear things.
43:14
SPEAKER_03: I think we all have different kind of contracts that we laid down.
43:17
SPEAKER_03: I'm pretty sure I went, yeah, nah, I'm too much of a wimp.
43:19
SPEAKER_03: Don't show me anything.
43:21
SPEAKER_03: I don't want to see it, I don't want anything to touch me, I don't want anything whispering in my ear.
43:25
SPEAKER_03: So instead I get it through different senses.
43:28
SPEAKER_03: It's because yeah, if I was to see a ghost right in front of me, I'd probably just break down and then never explore that again.
43:34
SPEAKER_03: So maybe it's something similar where it's just yeah, tapping into maybe a different way of communicating.
43:40
SPEAKER_03: Because you definitely have like the heightened sensitivity for it, like the fact you're walking into places and you can instantly feel when something's off.
43:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I don't I don't get the the visuals that some people get or like hearing and I would like that, but yeah, I just think my spirit guides like no, she's too.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Fragile, but in a bad way, like a bomb.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: She just woke up.
44:03
SPEAKER_03: It'd be really interesting.
44:04
SPEAKER_03: So I might have to take you on a ghost tour now after some.
44:07
SPEAKER_03: I'd love to see the Esther's methods because some people have to be.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: I love the Esther's method.
44:12
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, shall we talk about the Esther's method?
44:14
SPEAKER_01: Is a relatively new method that ghost hunters use.
44:16
SPEAKER_01: It was developed by a chap in America who was staying at like a hotel.
44:20
SPEAKER_01: It was called like the Estes Esther's Hotel or something like that.
44:23
SPEAKER_01: So it's named after the place that he was ghost hunting in.
44:25
SPEAKER_01: And what you do is you put on a pair of noise-cancelling headphones so you can only hear what's in the headphones and a blindfold.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: So you're basically shutting down like um one sense and heightening another.
44:38
SPEAKER_01: And you have radio frequency.
44:40
SPEAKER_01: So you have like a radio frequency scanning through radio channels.
44:43
SPEAKER_01: And as that's scanning through the headphones, the people around you are asking the spirits questions.
44:48
SPEAKER_01: And then whatever you pick up in the headphones, you speak out.
44:51
SPEAKER_01: So then and then, but you don't know the questions that are being asked.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: So you're just here, you're just saying what you're hearing through that radio frequency scanner.
44:59
SPEAKER_01: And then people have said that, you know, the questions that they asked are usually answered because you become a conduit, basically.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: It's I've done it once.
45:08
SPEAKER_01: Done it once, but it wasn't, but I was in the wrong, I was in the wrong setting to do it.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: Like I did it on a ghost hunt outside of Launston Castle, but I wasn't blindfolded.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: I was stood away.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: It was it was I was very cold.
45:19
SPEAKER_01: I could still see the group in front of me.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: They were noise canting headphones, it was quite windy.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: So I would love to do do it properly.
45:27
SPEAKER_03: We should have to book that and then get some, yeah.
45:31
SPEAKER_03: I it's a really powerful method.
45:34
SPEAKER_03: It's one that I found a little bit unsettled with, and I think it's just because I'm so sensitive to like noise, and it's just like the scrambling of all the things.
45:42
SPEAKER_03: It's very like and then you'll just get like one word that comes through really clearly.
45:46
SPEAKER_03: It would almost make me jump because it was just like, and then like a word would come and I'd be like, Yeah, and then it's I think it's also going with people that you have like full trust in because you are completely shutting down all of your representatives.
45:57
SPEAKER_03: It's like you are not aware of what's happening around you, and you have to just have like a thing where someone will be like, When we're done, I'll touch you firmly on the shoulder.
46:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
46:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, in that moment you're just basically opening yourself up as a channel, as a condom, like you said.
46:11
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, it seems to have quite effective results because we found that when we went ghost hunting, they didn't mind the dowsing rods, but they weren't a fan of like the modern technologies and all the like flashing light things like they didn't like REM pods.
46:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I was like, you know what I'm saying?
46:28
SPEAKER_03: If I was a ghost and someone was like, Oh, go up to the light and make it flash, I'd be like, fuck off.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: Kick the cat ball.
46:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm not a fucking cat.
46:35
SPEAKER_03: But the access method, they seem to like that because it's a way that yeah, they can bring through actual verbal language.
46:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: So we have to give that a try.
46:43
SPEAKER_01: I would like to see something move, you know, like an object move on its own, you know.
46:48
SPEAKER_03: Would you ever be Have you ever done a wheedy board?
46:51
SPEAKER_01: Yes, I did one this year actually.
46:53
SPEAKER_01: It was really quite it was quite interesting because um I've always been against them because they get a bad rep.
47:00
SPEAKER_01: They get a bad rep.
47:02
SPEAKER_01: I've watched a lot of scary films, and then I remember my dad saying that he did one in his twenties and the glass shattered and that um they all ran out of the house and they were in like this abandoned house.
47:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't know, in in in the 80s, abandoned house, got nothing else better to do with a few beers.
47:18
SPEAKER_01: Let's get out of Ouija board.
47:20
SPEAKER_01: Apparently the glass shattered, but he could have just been saying that to scare me.
47:23
SPEAKER_01: It worked.
47:23
SPEAKER_01: I went on a ghost hunt about 10 years ago in Leicester and I watched someone get out a Ouija board and use it.
47:30
SPEAKER_01: I I didn't I refuse to participate, I just watched.
47:33
SPEAKER_01: That was interesting, but yeah, no, I did one for the first time this year at the Whiteheart Hotel in Launston, which is very it's very, very haunted.
47:40
SPEAKER_01: And the plant chair.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: We used what the normal plant chair at first.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: It was okay.
47:45
SPEAKER_01: Like we got a few yeses and no's and a couple of words spelt out.
47:49
SPEAKER_01: Um we were actually we were with the Jamaican paranormal investigation team.
47:55
SPEAKER_01: They were running the paranormal investigation at the Whiteheart, so they were very good at making sure that we firmly put in boundaries and broke off the connection, you know, once we were done.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: And you know, sort of those sort of rules of keeping your hand on it.
48:07
SPEAKER_01: If you're gonna take your hand off, then you say goodbye first.
48:09
SPEAKER_01: But then we moved on to a planchette which had a pen in it.
48:12
SPEAKER_01: So you can do it where you put a piece of paper on the table and you hold and you hold the planchette, and the planchette has a is on is on wheels and it has a pen in it, and we connected to a witch and she started drawing a pentagram, which was incredible.
48:26
SPEAKER_01: It was incredible.
48:27
SPEAKER_01: Now I know that people say that there's a lot of sort of um, what is it, it's a cognitive bias where you're sort of subconsciously collected either subconsciously.
48:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, and you know, it could that could be a thing, you know.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: It it all of the all of the things were there, it was a perfect recipe to, you know, we were ghost hunting, we were in a really haunted building, there's witches in Cornwall, you know, so it's it's can what's the word?
48:51
SPEAKER_01: It's like has those sort of subliminal messages for very brutal.
48:54
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I didn't I didn't feel scared afterwards, like nothing like nothing followed me home.
48:59
SPEAKER_01: They were really shit hot on the protection.
49:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I think this is it, as it's it's the protection side of it, and like you said, really making sure you've closed down afterwards.
49:07
SPEAKER_03: And I think that's why there's so many negative stories out there, it's just because people haven't taken the appropriate hygiene with it.
49:13
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I've always wanted to do one, but I know it's not something I want to sit and do alone.
49:18
SPEAKER_03: No, I feel like you need another energy there to anchor you.
49:21
SPEAKER_03: So I want to do it with someone who's had a bit of experience.
49:23
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, it would be cool to have a little Yeah.
49:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want you to do it with just me because I've only really done it the ones.
49:29
SPEAKER_01: I would want a someone who's seasoned of us, yeah, who's also very good with that protection as well.
49:36
SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't Yeah, I wouldn't trust just the time trust just the two of us.
49:41
SPEAKER_01: They're the Ouija board honest.
49:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we don't bring insight home with us.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I ain't got I ain't got I've not got the time for that shit.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
49:50
SPEAKER_01: Unless I want to bring a helpful spirit home with me that can, you know, clean whilst I'm out.
49:54
SPEAKER_01: That'll be awesome.
49:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no.
49:56
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
49:57
SPEAKER_01: But what about you recently did a clearing.
50:00
SPEAKER_01: Do you want to talk about that?
50:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was an interesting one.
50:03
SPEAKER_03: So this I went round to a friend's house, and the first time I went round, we were very aware that there was a male spirit in her bedroom.
50:10
SPEAKER_03: But at the time her landlord was still living there, so there was another bedroom that we didn't have access to.
50:15
SPEAKER_03: And after we'd sort of connected in with this male figure, we were then talking to the landlord and the neighbour, and they were like, Oh, that's interesting, because we've always picked up on a female energy.
50:23
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, Okay.
50:25
SPEAKER_03: And then the landlord moved out and we investigated the room that he had previously been in.
50:30
SPEAKER_03: And straight away I was like, Oh yeah, no, there is a female energy.
50:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
50:33
SPEAKER_03: But they both reside in different bedrooms.
50:35
SPEAKER_03: And we spent a bit of time sort of connecting in with that room and the energy in there, and there was the two back corners of the room were really heavy.
50:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:44
SPEAKER_03: But we just sort of sat there for a minute and like I didn't do anything that day, and I went home and I sort of sat with it because I was like, Well, what's the relationship between the male and the female spirit?
50:53
SPEAKER_03: And clear as day, it came through because when we'd spoken to the male, he said that he carried a lot of like frustration and sadness.
51:02
SPEAKER_03: And the reason that he had struggled to sort of move over is because he felt like he spent his whole life doing everything he could to support his village, his community, and to do good things for other people.
51:13
SPEAKER_03: And then when it came to the point in his life where he needed support, nobody was there.
51:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and there was this real like sadness, and then I got this real heaviness in my chest, and I was like, Oh, did you die of a heart attack?
51:27
SPEAKER_03: And he showed me, and I could see exactly where the bed would have been in the room, and I could almost picture him laying in the bed, and I got a lot of information come through on him.
51:35
SPEAKER_03: But then I was trying to make this piece together with this woman.
51:38
SPEAKER_03: Um, and what came through really, really clear for me was what he was referring to when he said no one was there for me at the end of my life.
51:46
SPEAKER_03: Like was actually his wife, or I don't know if they were married, but they were in a relationship, they were a couple, they might not I don't think they were married is what came through.
51:55
SPEAKER_03: But basically, she got ill and they spent their whole life, yeah, supporting everyone else, and in the time that they needed it, nobody was there.
52:02
SPEAKER_03: And I got the sense because I spirit likes to sort of step into my body and make me feel what they're feeling.
52:08
SPEAKER_03: I went really confused and disorientated.
52:10
SPEAKER_03: My vision started to go, and it felt like I had dementia or Alzheimer's.
52:13
SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh.
52:14
SPEAKER_03: So I had the feeling that yeah, she slowly declined over years, and they were both just carrying this sort of like grief and heaviness and frustration and sort of being let down by people, and that's what was stopping them from being able to transition over.
52:28
SPEAKER_03: But I was like, it's funny how you two are coming through in the same story, but I picked up on both their energies very separately, and then I was like, I have a feeling they're looking for each other, and as I said that, all of the hairs on my skin like stood up, and I was like, I think I'm onto something here, and I was like, You're both looking around the house for each other, and you're never gonna find each other because it's almost like you're existing on separate timelines.
52:52
SPEAKER_03: Well, and as I said that, the dowsing rods went mental.
52:56
SPEAKER_03: Even my friend got it, and we both nearly like we were both like welling up, nearly crying, and I was like, Yeah, I've I've hit something here.
53:01
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, So I had to spend time with them both and sort of go, it's really, really crap what happened to you.
53:07
SPEAKER_03: And I'm really sorry that nobody was there for you.
53:09
SPEAKER_03: I spent some time just witnessing them, just giving them that love, and then explaining that actually like what they both wanted was to be reunited.
53:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
53:17
SPEAKER_03: And in order for that to happen, they needed to let go of this physical route.
53:20
SPEAKER_03: They needed to let go.
53:21
SPEAKER_03: Some shamanic drumming.
53:22
SPEAKER_03: My friend did some energy clearing, we opened up the window, and we've not felt anything in the house since.
53:27
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
53:27
SPEAKER_01: So sad as at the same time.
53:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:31
SPEAKER_01: Two spirits looking for each other in the same house.
53:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: They can't they can't find each other because they want to separate.
53:41
SPEAKER_03: Because what I got was that he passed first, and then he passed knowing that he was worried about her and that no one was there to care.
53:47
SPEAKER_03: So it's like his spirit sort of lingered round to keep a watch of her, but then she passed.
53:53
SPEAKER_03: Neither of them passed over fully, yeah, and they both just got stuck but in slightly differing.
54:00
SPEAKER_03: So it was, but yeah, that's the first time I've any ever done any like clearing and helping people move on, but it was just like the emotional responses that were coming through my body that I knew weren't my own.
54:10
SPEAKER_03: And in all honesty, like we did declearing and I wasn't expecting it to work.
54:14
SPEAKER_03: I was expecting to maybe have to come back and visit this a few times, but yeah, I suppose with my friends she's like, I I haven't had anything in the house since, and like we've gone back around the house.
54:23
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I can't feel like the energy is like lifted now, doesn't feel heavy anymore.
54:28
SPEAKER_03: So it's giving me a bit of peace to think maybe yeah, they they've moved on and they're together now and then a happy afterlife.
54:35
SPEAKER_03: But but yeah, this is I think it's so funny because I grew up really fearful of ghosts, not wanting to dive into this realm because I was scared of it because you hear all of the demonic and like evil spirits, you hear all the bad side of it, but actually I think there's a real power in educating people on ghosts and how people's spirits do linger and why, and allowing people to actually help those spirits move on.
55:06
SPEAKER_03: Another good deed from one human to another, even if they're not here living.
55:11
SPEAKER_01: I've always always been drawn to ghosts and paranormal and supernatural, even though I was scared of it.
55:16
SPEAKER_01: And no, so it was like I was glad to punish them.
55:18
SPEAKER_01: I was like, it was gonna terrify me, but I was always that weird kid at school in the library's tiny little like haunted paranormal section, just looking like at pictures in books of you know, haunted places or people who have like had that more spontaneous human combustion that used to terrify me, but I'd still go and look at pictures of like a leg that was left over in some ash by the fireplace.
55:39
SPEAKER_01: And then could I sleep at night?
55:41
SPEAKER_01: No.
55:41
SPEAKER_01: But in the daytime, it's fine, nothing happens in the day.
55:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yeah, scared of it, but always drawn.
55:47
SPEAKER_01: Always drawn to it, which is weird.
55:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:50
SPEAKER_01: Where would you like to ghost hunt next in Cornwall?
55:53
SPEAKER_03: So I mentioned about the highwaymen in.
55:55
SPEAKER_01: We actually did.
55:55
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's Dartmoor.
55:58
SPEAKER_03: There's a couple of pubs on the Dartmoor that I do want to go to.
56:00
SPEAKER_03: I the one you said in Launston.
56:03
SPEAKER_03: What would I not be interested to go there?
56:05
SPEAKER_03: No, I just it slipped my mind now.
56:07
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
56:08
SPEAKER_03: I'm more pubs, like hotels.
56:10
SPEAKER_03: I don't think I will ever be ghost hunting at Bobman Gail.
56:14
SPEAKER_03: No, there's too many.
56:15
SPEAKER_03: There's too much dark energy, especially for people that have witch lineage.
56:19
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
56:21
SPEAKER_03: Just yeah, everything in my I just didn't feel safer.
56:25
SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, anything with light, light, lighter energy.
56:29
SPEAKER_01: Nothing too sinister.
56:31
SPEAKER_01: You mentioned clubs.
56:32
SPEAKER_01: There's a pub outside of Lawnston.
56:34
SPEAKER_01: So there's a there's a village called Tregadillot, which is outside of Lawnston.
56:36
SPEAKER_01: And there's a pub there called the Elliott Arms.
56:39
SPEAKER_01: Great wicked food, love it.
56:41
SPEAKER_01: Haunted, really haunted.
56:43
SPEAKER_01: Haunted by a few ghosts, I think.
56:46
SPEAKER_01: I think that the bar is haunted by a little girl.
56:49
SPEAKER_01: And she'll come up and like, if you're sitting at the bar, she'll kind of like be by your bar stool or like try and hold your hand or like tug on your coat to get your attention.
56:57
SPEAKER_01: And then Pixie, who I had on the podcast a year ago, she was on the Onico Witch episode.
57:03
SPEAKER_01: Because she, you know, does ghost hunts and she's you know had experiences, and she went to the Elliot Arms with her with her paranormal group to do sort of an after-closing ghost hunt, and she sort of full-bodied apparition of a Victorian policeman.
57:16
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
57:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, watching them.
57:18
SPEAKER_01: So there's like there's like a partition when you go in.
57:21
SPEAKER_01: There's like lots of different rooms, and there's a partition, and one of the partitions has like um uh it has glass in it, like that mottled bold.
57:31
SPEAKER_01: It's not completely transparent, it's quite opaque glass.
57:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
57:34
SPEAKER_01: But you could still make out people through the glass.
57:38
SPEAKER_01: And she said that um they were all sat at this table and she looked up at where this partition was and she saw this Victorian policeman.
57:44
SPEAKER_01: She looked away, she looked back, he was still there.
57:46
SPEAKER_01: She looked away, she looked back, he was still there, and he was just curiously watching them all ghost her.
57:50
SPEAKER_01: Like she didn't feel any sort of hostility or just he was just very curious.
57:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
57:55
SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'll add that one to my lips as well.
57:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
57:58
SPEAKER_01: There's Rilla Mill.
58:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you've mentioned that before.
58:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we got nothing when we were at Rilla Mill.
58:04
SPEAKER_03: It's always dis this is a hard thing, like, because you have to walk in with no expectations, but then you do get disappointed when nothing happens.
58:11
SPEAKER_01: I didn't get terrified.
58:12
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm gonna sleep really well tonight.
58:15
SPEAKER_03: I mean, the thing I've learned is I don't mind doing ghost hunts, but I don't think I will be staying overnight anywhere again.
58:21
SPEAKER_03: Like, I just wanted to go home to my own bed.
58:23
SPEAKER_03: I was just lying there the whole night terrified to close my eyes in case something grabs my foot.
58:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:28
SPEAKER_01: So this I this is why I tuck my quilt and my top sheet at the inside the bottom of the mattress by the footwell.
58:35
SPEAKER_01: So nothing can hot, and that had this really thick duvet.
58:40
SPEAKER_03: And I was trying to do that thing where like, yeah, I was trying to cover like every inch of skin with the duvet, but then I was also roasting.
58:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
58:46
SPEAKER_01: So I was like, I can't.
58:48
SPEAKER_01: That's what they wanted.
58:49
SPEAKER_01: That's that's what they wanted you.
58:50
SPEAKER_01: They wanted they were like, let's sweat her out, guys.
58:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
58:54
SPEAKER_03: Our friends were like, oh, we took the duvet out and just slept in the cover.
58:57
SPEAKER_03: I was like, that would have yeah, that was sensible.
58:59
SPEAKER_01: Should have thought that Yeah, there's so many other there are I mean, I think one of the beautiful things about Cornwall is yeah, like you said, the land, there's just it's I mean, the whole of the UK, but I think particularly down here, the land is um full of ghosts.
59:13
SPEAKER_01: The ghosts and spirits and mystical magical things.
59:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
59:18
SPEAKER_01: Do you do you believe around this time of year that the paranormal activity does ramp up?
59:23
SPEAKER_01: Or do you feel it a little bit more?
59:26
SPEAKER_03: Interesting, because uh we were I was preparing for our Salmon workshop that's coming up, and I was doing some research into this because actually there's people that argue that the veil doesn't think that it's coming in.
59:38
SPEAKER_03: Um that actually that was more of like a modern big sort of conception that came in.
59:43
SPEAKER_03: Um I think the veil I don't know if it's language is a hard one here.
59:52
SPEAKER_03: I definitely think that there is a heightened intuition and sensitivity.
59:57
SPEAKER_03: I think Yeah, let's call it the thing of the veil, because things do seem to slip through more.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_01: Do you think you'd be doing this as a collective unconscious, especially with how we are at Halloween that have have been how in the last sort of you know 200 years or so?
1:00:12
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's always been celebrated as you would you would carve a pumpkin to keep the spirits away on all Halloween's Eve, and you would you know you would dress up so the spirits wouldn't know that, you know, so the spirits couldn't take your soul, you'd dress up as something scary to scare the spirits.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_03: So it was that thing of because it's like we were saying throughout all of this, we were kind of saying like ghosts come up more of the evening.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_03: So like the sun, that solar energy kind of helps to protect us and like keep things warded off.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_01: So when the sun goes down, you're preliminary betwixt.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_03: So it's like, is it because we're kind of entering that darker seasons of the year, like the nights are now drawing in, and because the night's falling earlier that we then have more time in darkness to allow things to come through?
1:00:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, it's a really interesting one in terms of like, yeah, is it an actual like scientific thing?
1:01:02
SPEAKER_03: Does something actually physically change, or is it just our like collective consciousness?
1:01:06
SPEAKER_03: Is it just tradition?
1:01:08
SPEAKER_03: But there is definitely yeah, an energy this time of year, yeah, for sure.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_01: Is our witches movie is it's a big one for us?
1:01:15
SPEAKER_01: It is, yeah.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_01: And we wait all year for it and then it's gone like that.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_01: Have you got any other anything else?
1:01:24
SPEAKER_01: Any of the ghosty ghost stories at all?
1:01:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, White Lady of Roche Ro Roche Roche Roche Roche, see, but treating her like an outlaw, or he was like unlawful.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_03: Um, and basically she found out that the soldiers had killed her lover and she couldn't cope with that, and she threw herself off the rocks of Roch Rock.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_03: And you can still hear her well, not hear her, apparently you see a glowing figure kind of going across the rocks down there.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_03: You can still see her.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_03: So a ruined 15th century chapel set high among this rocky outcrop is reputed to be haunted by a ghost of a man who sometimes stares angrily from his lofty perch.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_03: Certainly many visitors to the strange squat have reported seeing a shadowy figure moving along the rocks.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_03: At first they thought a real person is up there casting a shadow, then they have realized that the shadow can be seen from different positions and from different directions, and that it resembles a men, man bent over and hurrying about the rocks.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_03: Some people say the ghost is that of a minor, others say that he was a leper, and others again, since this is Cornwall, that he was a smuggler.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_03: A few visitors to this isolated place have remarked upon strange sounds they have heard apparently emanating from the chapel ruin.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_03: A correspondent from Warminster has told me that we have her experience with a boyfriend in the days when visitors were allowed to risk life and limb on the rocks.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_03: The couple had discovered a place some years previously, and Mark, her boyfriend, loved it because it was so climbable and risky.
1:02:52
SPEAKER_03: My informant Nicola tells me she was less keen and it always felt rather cold and deceitfully unsafe.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_03: On this occasion they were they'd both climbed the first ladder and looking around, Mark decided he was going to go higher.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_03: Nicola felt cold and called to Mark and said that she was going back to the car.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_03: He replied and that he would be down in a few moments.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_03: After waiting some ten minutes in the car, Nicola thought she'd take a photograph of Mark on the rock.
1:03:16
SPEAKER_03: She saw a figure in the window, so she took a couple of snaps and then waved.
1:03:21
SPEAKER_03: There was no response to her wave, and then she saw Mark on top of the rock waving.
1:03:26
SPEAKER_03: She took another photograph and looked back to the window where the silhouette figure was still visible.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_03: She soon realized it could not be a person because there was no flooring or ceiling behind the window.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_03: She decided to join Mark, hoping he would tell her that there was someone else up there, but she felt a sudden and severe coldness, and she just could not climb the rock.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_03: She called to Mark and he hurried back to the car.
1:03:47
SPEAKER_03: When Mark joined her, he said that there had not been anyone else on the rock.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_03: When the film was taken to be developed, Nicola discovered that each of the three shots of the Roche were blank.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_03: The camera was a basic one without a lens cap and so on.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_03: So there's no reason why that should be.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_03: All the preceding shots were fine and the subsequent shots that were taken were correct.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_03: So basically every picture that she tried to take off this figure just like came out completely blank.
1:04:12
SPEAKER_03: Because that's a really common thing, isn't it?
1:04:14
SPEAKER_03: That like it's just like, yeah, we aren't there's a lot of restrictions around us actually being able to capture and almost like evidence it.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_03: That like overlap where science can't prove this sort of stuff.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_03: But that's really interesting because when I originally read up on this story, it was called the White Lady of Roche Rock, and it talks about the priest's daughter, because I think that's the story that they actually they have it advertised in Bodman Jail.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_03: That's one of the stories that's there.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_03: So it's really interesting that actually there's dispution between whether it's a female or a male, because some people very clearly say a man.
1:04:46
SPEAKER_03: But I've definitely read I've definitely read accounts of it being a female.
1:04:50
SPEAKER_03: So have you been there?
1:04:52
SPEAKER_01: No, I've not.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_01: I've not.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_01: I would like to go, but it's just looking at it in pictures, I get a very I get a very eerie, desolate energy from it.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna have to pull up an image now because I'm I need to let it refresh my brain.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_01: I interviewed um a lady Nick Alvey, and she's she does folkloric and um she she loves going there.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_01: She finds the the land fascinating and you're right though, even looking at it through images.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_01: It's very sort of yeah, desolate and eerie and what an incredible place though.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_03: It gives very similar to um have you been to Brentor Church?
1:05:28
SPEAKER_01: I love Brentor, it's amazing.
1:05:30
SPEAKER_03: That's an interesting one actually.
1:05:31
SPEAKER_03: Maybe that's one we'll have to visit.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I like the fact that people can't agree on whether it's a man or a woman.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_03: Like you said, maybe maybe there's Yeah.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_01: Like like like the clearing you did, there were two spirits there on two different timelines, so they're not aware of each other.
1:05:50
SPEAKER_01: Just interesting.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much for joining me and sharing some spooky stories for Halloween.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_01: And um yeah, I hope.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_01: I hope my listeners enjoyed being a bit scared.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_01: A secret tonight, guys.
1:06:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, don't have nightmares.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_01: What was it, Daniel Roberts who says, don't have nightmares?
1:06:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh Jenna, thank you so much.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_01: Um thank you.
1:06:10
SPEAKER_01: I will put a link to Cornish Alchemy in the show notes as well.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_01: Check out our and your alchemy, your alchemy works as well.
1:06:18
SPEAKER_01: People want to get in contact with you for a reading or an air some energy work.
1:06:23
SPEAKER_01: How can they how can they do that?
1:06:26
SPEAKER_03: All of my social media is jen.alchemywitch.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_03: So you can contact me on Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, TikTok, um, or you can email Jen at the alch uh jen.alchemywitch at gmail.com.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_01: All right.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_01: Well, um, I'll see you on Saturday.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_01: Take shock.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_01: Hi everybody! Love you.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_01: Halloween Halloween.
1:06:54
SPEAKER_01: I hope you all enjoyed listening to this special Halloween episode with Jenna and I.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_01: I have linked all of Jenna's social media details in the show notes.
1:07:03
SPEAKER_01: So if you are interested in booking a session or reading with her as the Alchemy Witch, you can find all of her details in there.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_01: I've also got and linked our Cornish Alchemy project in the show notes as well.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_01: So our Instagram page, along with the events page on where we shall be holding our workshops.
1:07:21
SPEAKER_01: Our next available event will be our Your Tide workshop on the 19th of December, as our Sawan workshop on Saturday has sold out.
1:07:29
SPEAKER_01: So if you are interested in seeing what sort of workshops we're going to be bringing and the things we're going to be doing, then please keep an eye out on our page and on the studio's website.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's look at our which weekly events continuing into Friday, Saturday, and Sunday for this Halloween.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_01: So on Friday, October the 30th.
1:07:54
SPEAKER_01: If you missed a history of witchcraft, the lecture by Keith Wallace in Lisgard, he will be at the Interbodmin venue in Cornwall on Friday at 7.30pm.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_01: So it will be a talk into Cornish charms, curses, and local witchcraft history.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_01: A pop-up apothecary will be held at the old library in Bodman.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_01: The time will be from 10.30am and it will be an indoor family-friendly magical Halloween/slash apothecary gathering where you can make herbal tinctures and treats.
1:08:25
SPEAKER_01: Also at Bodman Jail, there will be an afterdark paranormal investigation.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_01: This will be from 8 pm at Bodman Jail.
1:08:33
SPEAKER_01: It is a semi-guided nighttime paranormal investigation inside the historic haunted museum, and this is for adults only.
1:08:40
SPEAKER_01: Then looking at Saturday, the 31st of October, the dark gathering is being held in Tintagil.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_01: This is going to be the last dark gathering.
1:08:49
SPEAKER_01: There won't be one held next year or for the foreseeable future.
1:08:52
SPEAKER_01: Maybe things might change, but if you haven't been and you really want to go, this is your last chance to get there.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_01: So it starts at 2 pm and runs until around 8 pm.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_01: You can park at the Mayfair Car Park, which is a central car park in Tintagil.
1:09:07
SPEAKER_01: And it is a festival that acts an event between worlds.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_01: So it combines English, Cornish, and Welsh folklore and customs to celebrate those ancestral connections.
1:09:16
SPEAKER_01: And then finally, on Sunday, November the 1st, there will be a current and tide workshop.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_01: So it will be a day of working with the oldest currents of water magic.
1:09:26
SPEAKER_01: That is at 10am, and the venue is at the Millpool Centre in Lou.
1:09:30
SPEAKER_01: So it's a specialised spiritual and ritual workshop focused on water magic, mysticism, and the occult.
1:09:38
SPEAKER_01: And all of the links to these switch weekly events I have linked for you in the show notes.
1:09:45
SPEAKER_01: That is everything I have for you for this episode.
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