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The Mandela Effect (Conspiracy! The Show Legacy Collection) · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Destroy.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show with your hosts Adam Todd
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  Speaker 2: Brown and Connor mcspatten. Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Adam Todd Brown. Welcome to guest host month. Connor
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  Speaker 2: mcspadden is on tour most of April. I'm on tour
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  Speaker 2: in May, so we have to record a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: episodes ahead of time with special guests and today joining me,
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch of other things. Say hi, motherfucker, It's just
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  Speaker 2: the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Shut everything else down.
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  Speaker 1: It's the only that's the only block of time in
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  Speaker 1: which we exist. We only exist in that hour every.
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  Speaker 3: Week, one hour every Tuesday. How are you both doing?
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  Speaker 3: I am well doing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited to have you on because you're both very,
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  Speaker 2: very skeptical people when it comes to stuff like this.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Are there any conspiracy theories either of you believe?
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  Speaker 1: It depends on no, it really, It really depends on
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  Speaker 1: how you're defining conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 2: But in general, no, okay, not even that the moon
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  Speaker 2: landing was fake. I don't believe them.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, not definitely not that that was We've we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about the curtain courtney one. Yeah, and I think just done, pops.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the curtain court like Kurt Kobang was definitely murdered
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  Speaker 2: that much.
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  Speaker 3: That much. Okay, what about MK ultra have you ever
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  Speaker 3: looked into it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, well that's not that's like confirmed.
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  Speaker 3: Right, That's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I always point to when people just kind
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  Speaker 2: of across the board shoot down conspiracies.
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  Speaker 1: That's and that's what I meant by like, it depends
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  Speaker 1: on what you're defining as a conspiracy theory. Because mk
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  Speaker 1: ulture happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it happened, and up until the point there were
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  Speaker 2: just some files that got put in the wrong place.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise that forever would have been one family going No,
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  Speaker 2: this thing was huge and it was happening everywhere in
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  Speaker 2: the government going na. We tried it out a little
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  Speaker 2: bit and it didn't work, so we didn't pursue it much.
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  Speaker 2: Because that was like their big sticking point before those
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  Speaker 2: files came out, is people were calling it a massive program,
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  Speaker 2: and the CIA was like, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Massive, all right, it wasn't that big.
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  Speaker 3: And then it was pretty fucking massive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're wrong, it was massive. Yeah, it was huge.
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  Speaker 2: So we're talking about the Mandela effect this week, which
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  Speaker 2: this is when I don't really even Yeah, I believe
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  Speaker 2: I'm almost angry at this one.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't understand. I don't understand what the theory is.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Mandela effect is like a cool so
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  Speaker 1: from a sociological standpoint when you're thinking about it as
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  Speaker 1: like memory and collective memory and the fallibility of memory. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a really interesting thing to look at
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  Speaker 1: and read about, But I don't understand what the conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: portion of it is about.
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  Speaker 2: The conspiracy behind it is that the Mandela effect is
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  Speaker 2: a sign that it's basically a sign that there are
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  Speaker 2: parallel universes that were slipping in.
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  Speaker 1: The Oh no, that's dumb.
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  Speaker 3: Have watched the recent X Files.
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  Speaker 4: There's a recent X Files episode about this, and it
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  Speaker 4: was a delightful episode.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly the correct place to tackle this subject.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was about alternate realities and stuff. It
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  Speaker 4: was a it was a comedic one because.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing is parallel universes and you know,
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  Speaker 2: alternate realities. That's a whole different thing. Like when you
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  Speaker 2: get into debating whether that's real. Then you're talking to
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  Speaker 2: like physicists and things like that. But that scene, that's
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  Speaker 2: a different argument.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like that, like the multiverse stuff where it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that could be true. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't be true.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't know that misremembering a Shack movie from
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  Speaker 2: the nineties right necessarily proof that the thing is it is.
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  Speaker 4: Two different conversations because I don't not believe in the
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  Speaker 4: idea of alternate universes or right infinite possibilities all that crap.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think. Yeah, I don't think the Mandela effect
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  Speaker 4: is that. I think it's just do not remembering shit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the fact that stupid racists on the
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  Speaker 1: internet can't tell the difference between Sinbad and Shack it's
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  Speaker 1: a sign that there's which of all the people reality is.
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  Speaker 2: Sinbad has red hair, for fuck's sake. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 2: if Shaq had red hair?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Man, you don't want to what a treat? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those are two wildly different gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this If anyone's unfamiliar the Mandela effect, it's basically
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  Speaker 2: just a term that was coined in twenty ten actually
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  Speaker 2: to describe the phenomenon of people just kind of misremembering
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  Speaker 2: incidents or facts peace sup culture. Yeah, yeah, just on
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  Speaker 2: a widespread basis. It's a reference to Nelson Mandela, which
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  Speaker 2: is apparently the first of these things that kicked this
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  Speaker 2: theory off. And apparently there is a big segment of
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  Speaker 2: the population that had it in their minds that Nelson
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  Speaker 2: Mandela died in jail in the eighties.
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  Speaker 1: Which he didn't. He was famously did released from prison.
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  Speaker 2: He was very much released about as released from prison
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  Speaker 2: as you can get. He became the president after leaving prison.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And I think like to have that be the
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  Speaker 1: one that the thing is named after already shows that
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  Speaker 1: it's not an altered reality thing, because if it was
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  Speaker 1: two realities bleeding into each other, first of all, wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: we all have the same split memory?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: See, that's that's the thing, don't. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: it is that people think would be triggering.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 4: The Internet and how people act on the Internet these days,
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  Speaker 4: because there are people who will continuously tell you that
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  Speaker 4: Obama is a Muslim that's going to destroy the country,
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  Speaker 4: even though that didn't happen, right, And it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 4: what and yeah, Dave like, there's a pattern of people
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  Speaker 4: who will be wrong about something fine like minded people
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  Speaker 4: are also wrong and then refuse to accept that they
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  Speaker 4: were wrong to the point that they now will be willing.
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  Speaker 1: There's a universe. It's like, no, you just got the
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  Speaker 1: facts wrong.
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  Speaker 3: You were misinformed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The Mandela thing.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I did find is in nineteen eighty two,
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  Speaker 2: he was moved to a different prison, so that probably
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  Speaker 2: would have put Mandela and jail in people's minds. And
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  Speaker 2: it was a year after something called the I think
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  Speaker 2: they were called the Sharpsville Riots, which sounds like it
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  Speaker 2: would be somewhere in the south southern part of the
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  Speaker 2: United States, but that was actually south half.
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  Speaker 3: It was a town called.
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  Speaker 2: Sharpsville, I think it was called Sharpsville, and there were
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  Speaker 2: riots there where fourteen people were killed. And then on
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  Speaker 2: the eve of the one year anniversary of that, there
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  Speaker 2: was another big bombing that destroyed a bunch of jail
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  Speaker 2: cells where prisoners like Mandela had been held at one point.
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  Speaker 2: And I wonder if that series of events, which all
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  Speaker 2: happened kind of in close proximity, and then him being
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  Speaker 2: moved to a different prison, I wonder if that's what
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  Speaker 2: put it in people's heads. Maybe died in jail in
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  Speaker 2: the eighties.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're doing a lot of the work for
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  Speaker 1: these people. I think it really comes down to because
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  Speaker 1: the Mandel effect being a weird one to name this
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  Speaker 1: thing after is partially it's weird because of you know,
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  Speaker 1: him one being famously released from prison and also the
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  Speaker 1: whole Free South Africa movement, the apartheid thing that was
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  Speaker 1: that was the plot of Lethal Weapon two, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: all of that stuff during this period of history in
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  Speaker 1: the eighties. It's it's all directly related to Nelson Mandela
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  Speaker 1: and his eventual release and then his him becoming president
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  Speaker 1: and everything that. It's like all of that history would
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  Speaker 1: be different, we would have different memories of all of
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  Speaker 1: that history. So I think it's people, not that they
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  Speaker 1: mixed up this fact about him being moved from prisons.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's people mixing up oh, the apartheid, the
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  Speaker 1: apartheid struggle ended because Nelson Mandela was assassinated. Like I
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  Speaker 1: think it's just somebody, yeah, being completely misinformed about what
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  Speaker 1: happened during that piece of history. And even my because
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  Speaker 1: I mean I was a kid when this happens, so
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  Speaker 1: like my memory of this is is fuzzy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember this. Yeah, I mean I remember
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  Speaker 2: I'm older than you two. So I remember him getting
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  Speaker 2: out of prison and that was in the eighties, right,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was eighties, early nineties something like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember him getting out of prison. I remember
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  Speaker 2: the whole apartheid thing. And yeah, I've never met someone
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  Speaker 2: who has this memory. And my question you kind of
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  Speaker 2: brought it up, would be, well, then what happened in
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  Speaker 2: South Africa after that? Yeah, like do you remember anything
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  Speaker 2: or did South Africa just disappear? Right when Nelson Mandela died?
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  Speaker 1: Like he's related to so he's a central figure in
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  Speaker 1: so much history that it's like we would have so
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  Speaker 1: many different memories of we would have dual memories of
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  Speaker 1: like vast pieces of history, a modern history from this
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  Speaker 1: time period.
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  Speaker 2: Yea.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, it's it's weird that that you
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  Speaker 1: name this phenomena after this example of it that assent
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  Speaker 1: like intrinsically disproves the entire idea.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that there's two universe. It's the Mandela effect.
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  Speaker 2: Because it sounds cool, Yeah, like it would be a
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  Speaker 2: great name.
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  Speaker 1: Berenstein.
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  Speaker 2: I believe they're making a movie called The Mandela. Oh
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  Speaker 2: thank god, hurry up and finish.
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  Speaker 1: What has this happened several times already?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The one it's further down the list, but it kind
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  Speaker 2: of ties to this one is the Tianamen Square guy,
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  Speaker 2: where a lot of people seem to have memories of
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  Speaker 2: him getting run over by it and tank.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's just people who are misinformed.
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  Speaker 2: I think that is people having a memory of seeing
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  Speaker 2: the pick the picture of him standing there, and then
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  Speaker 2: just assuming the next thing that happened is those tanks
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  Speaker 2: must have run him over.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, which is you know, you watch the video,
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  Speaker 1: it's just the video is great. It's just him moving
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  Speaker 1: to constantly stay in front of the people in the tank.
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  Speaker 1: Don't want to run over yea, Yeah, that would be
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  Speaker 1: pretty gnarly if we did that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, China's a brutal government, but they're not a publicly
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  Speaker 2: brutal government. Yeah, like they they they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: just massacre a dude with a tank in the town square.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and then the team inside the tank even then,
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  Speaker 1: like even if they're like run that guy over, there's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of dudes inside that tank that might be
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  Speaker 1: like this is a bad look for us, or just
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  Speaker 1: like I don't feel like squishing a dude.
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  Speaker 3: But also like, yeah, how hard is it just to
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  Speaker 3: kind of wait it out?
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  Speaker 2: Or yeah, yeah, So I think the Tianamen square guy
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  Speaker 2: and Nelson Mandela are kind of the same thing, where
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  Speaker 2: people are just it's just miss remembering stuff or remembering
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  Speaker 2: it the Maybe some of these people wanted Mandela to
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  Speaker 2: die in jail.
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  Speaker 1: I think another part of it might be an ego thing,
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  Speaker 1: because this is all recent enough history that people in
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  Speaker 1: our generation remember the incidents happening in their lifetime, so
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  Speaker 1: they feel a certain ownership or something to it where
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  Speaker 1: they're like, well, yeah, no, I remember that, so like
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  Speaker 1: my that makes me an expert. And so like if
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  Speaker 1: they remember it incorrectly and you challenge it they remember
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  Speaker 1: it incorrectly, it'll be like the knee jerk is be
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  Speaker 1: like no, because I was, I was, I remember that,
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  Speaker 1: I remember this on the news, I remember seeing this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so my memory of this is correct.
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  Speaker 2: What about the Berenstein Bears, though, this is this is
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  Speaker 2: a weird one because I don't find this that weird
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  Speaker 2: because I looked it up briefly because I remember Bernstein
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  Speaker 2: Bears I remember seen Bears.
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  Speaker 3: But I do I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I was a pretty together kid when it came to
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  Speaker 2: reading well, and I remember struggling with whether it was
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  Speaker 2: Steen or Stein, and I don't think I would have
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  Speaker 2: seen the name Stain and had that inner crisis.
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  Speaker 4: Well, here's the question I have for you, because this
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  Speaker 4: is what I found when I looked up did.
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  Speaker 3: You watch the cartoons? I did.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently the cartoons pronounced to Bernstein. There's an article about
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  Speaker 4: it that someone was just like, yep, this is why.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they just looked at the old cartoons, which I
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  Speaker 3: also watched. But it's not spelled that way. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it's spelled that way.
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  Speaker 2: But I think we had heard it so much that
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  Speaker 2: way Stein Bears, we just you know, there is I
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  Speaker 2: assumed it was spelled that way. There was someone who
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  Speaker 2: posted on Reddit, uh this image. I'll put it on
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  Speaker 2: the website so people can see it. But someone found
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  Speaker 2: a VHS copy of a Berenstein Bears cartoon and the
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  Speaker 2: front label it spelled Berenstain Bears Learn about Strangers.
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  Speaker 3: I bet that's a creepy episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then on the side it says Berenstein.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a miss bears and yeah, that could just
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  Speaker 3: be Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like they say, because it's pronounced even when you say
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  Speaker 1: even when you say Berenstein, like when you say, like,
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  Speaker 1: you don't say beren Stain, you say Bearnstein or like Berenstein. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so you can say that and it will sound like Berenstein.
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  Speaker 1: And then they I mean even if they then they's
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  Speaker 1: in the like you just said, they decided to pronounce
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  Speaker 1: it Berenstein in the cartoons.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, we also don't know who was
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  Speaker 2: necessarily producing this video random house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's I mean, that's a misprint. Yeah, Like what
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  Speaker 1: that's not like that's like saying that, like.
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  Speaker 3: Like there would be a lot more examples.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's like saying that, Like any of the famously
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  Speaker 1: misprinted Star Wars action figures, you know, the ones that
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  Speaker 1: are worth the action figures that are worth the most
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  Speaker 1: money are the ones that are either packaged in the
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  Speaker 1: wrong package or there's a misprint on the package. That's
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  Speaker 1: like saying those are proof of an alternate universe. It's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: those are a proof of a manufacturing fuck up.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Like there is one.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't put it on the list, but there was
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  Speaker 2: c three pos silver leg, yeah, which I don't know
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  Speaker 2: enough about Star Wars to know how that happened, but
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  Speaker 2: I do know in the movie he has a silver leg, right,
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  Speaker 2: I believe so, but I'm pretty sure in the merchandise
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  Speaker 2: he didn't, and in the later films, like if we
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  Speaker 2: looked up the prequels, he probably does.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did.
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  Speaker 4: It's just a lower leg and a lot of the shots.
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  Speaker 4: If you look, it's hard to tell it's silver. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it looks gold. And I think that's another case. Well,
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  Speaker 4: that's I think another version of this, which is merchandise
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  Speaker 4: or when something gets parody enough it just sort of changes,
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  Speaker 4: like the Luke I am your father line, right, that
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  Speaker 4: was no, I am your father. I get why people
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  Speaker 4: remember it differently because years of parodying it and putting
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  Speaker 4: it in commercials and stuff, they just changed to the culture.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like Kirk Captain Kirk never says beat me up, Scotty.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but people just kept saying it. And I think
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  Speaker 4: it's the same thing with C three, where after a time,
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  Speaker 4: the merchandise and stuff, it was probably they never.
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  Speaker 3: Really, yeah, I never.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember a silver leg at all, but I've
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  Speaker 2: also only seen I've seen all the Star Wars movies,
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  Speaker 2: but I've seen them all a time or two. But
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  Speaker 2: I did have a ton of the toys as a kid,
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  Speaker 2: and I know C three po didn't have.
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  Speaker 1: No, he didn't. I don't remember having a silver leg
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  Speaker 1: in the movie either.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently he does. There's shots of him. Hmm, it's just
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  Speaker 4: the lower leg.
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  Speaker 3: Let's find it. Yeah, you want to find it. We
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  Speaker 3: have the technology.
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  Speaker 1: See that's just off color goal Like look at his
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  Speaker 1: hand too, like that's just use of the but there
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  Speaker 1: it's silver.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I guess I just don't remember.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing haven't hasn't Star Wars been like not
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  Speaker 2: really reshot but they've changed that original edit so much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, look up the prequels CEE three po in the
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  Speaker 4: prequels or C three po action figures. I just think
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  Speaker 4: it's not insane that people didn't notice that.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's the same picture.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know, like it's some he does,
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  Speaker 1: it's some it's just kind of like a lighter gold.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh got a virus from that picture. Jeez. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: Again, every example the Mandel effect, there's either a pretty
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  Speaker 4: logical explanation or it just seems like it's years of
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  Speaker 4: spoofing and parodying. Yeah, like the thing or it just
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  Speaker 4: seems like people were misinformed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's the kind of collective memory stuff that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: When we all get to and share, like what we
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  Speaker 1: remember about a certain thing, you get the base basically
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  Speaker 1: the same thing, but like slightly different. Yeah, inversions of it.
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  Speaker 3: What makes us fascinating is the justification.
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  Speaker 1: The justification is baffling, Like this next one, the death
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  Speaker 1: of Billy Graham. Yeah, this is just an an event
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  Speaker 1: of like normally you'd be like, oh, I thought he
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: was dead, you know, like right, because you just it's
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: an older person. You just assumed that they died because
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: they're not really in the news a lot. But we
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: didn't used to build this bizarre narrative of alternate timelines
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: around and it's just like, oh, I I was clearly
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: mistaken because I thought he was dead. And it's people
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: unwilling to be wrong about a thing.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my guess is they're confusing the death of Billy Graham,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: which just happened in twenty eighteen. Finally with Jerry Falwell,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: who died in two thousand and seven, they looked kind
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: of similar.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: They're kind of the same person, the same person. Yeah,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't really know who Billy Graham was, to be honest.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: It's just you get like him, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swagger,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: like he's kind of these guys are all basically the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: same guy.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I think that's got to just be
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: people misremembering the fact that Jerry Folwell died. Now some
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: people claim that they learned in school that the number
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: of states there were fifty one.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Again, I think those are people who just didn't pay attention.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: To those are stupid people, Yeah.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Because I always learned fifty states plus Puerto Rico.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Plus Puerto Rico. That's the only exception.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: It's like the sometimes why of states, it's still not
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: a state.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, they probably heard that in their brain.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's get out of here.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Get The one that is really interesting to me and
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: also the easiest to shoot down is the song We
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Are the Champions by Queen according to the Man. See,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: this is where the theory falls apart from me, because
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: they're being disingenuous here in saying that, Nope, the song
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't include the line of the world where if anyone
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: who's heard we Are the Champions ending uh yeah, well yeah,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: well there's a few different points throughout the song where
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: after he says we are the champions, Freddie Mercury goes oh,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: and everyone remembers that from that song. That's why this
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: one seems so baffling, But all it is. The original
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: album version of the song does not include the line
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: of the world anywhere in it, So people are like, see, see,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: if we.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: All have the version they ever played on the radio.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: We all remember it weird, But the version on the
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Greatest Hits album, which Queen's Greatest Hits is one of
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the biggest albums of all time. Everybody else, that's the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: version most people have heard. It's on there, like the
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: of the World line is and that's all their iconic
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: live performances of it, he says it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: And that's the only version. I'm gonna go out and
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: lemon say the only version that was ever the single version,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the radio version, the only version they ever played on
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the radio, has that line right.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: And for so many articles to bring this up and
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: then leave that part out.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: That's like, that's like saying the Mandela effect exists. Because
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: the version of California Love we all know is not
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the one that's on the album, the Tupac album, exactly
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: a motherfucker.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Like, Well, it happens with movie trailers a lot too,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: where there will be a line that's really famous in
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: a movie trailer and people remember it from the movie,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: but then it gets cut from the movie, so it's
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: just in the trailer.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the is it the cow? Or there's a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: tractor wheel in the Twister trailer that comes up and
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: hits the camera.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a bunch of stuff from Pineapple Express,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: you know that didn't make the movie.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And I mean this happens a lot because the trailers
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: are made while the film is still in production, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: some stuff gets cut out of the final version.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: And that's one of the things that really turns me
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: off about this theory is at every step they leave
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: out well yeah, but it is it's also this it's people.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Being objectively I mean, it's people being intentionally obtuse. Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So if we are the champions, thing was bothering anyone?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Rest easy? Yeah, you're correct. Of the world is definitely
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: a line in that song.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: It's it's probably it's it's probably the only version of
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the song you have ever heard.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: It makes me want to go back and listen to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the album version and just hear what that song sounds
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: like about that version, because it's like a completely different Yeah,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because on the radio.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: We Will Rock You leads into the we Are the Champions.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if those are two different tracks
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: on the album or not, because I don't have the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: original album.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no one has Queen's original albums. You just need
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: the hits.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: So I could see if, like there, if those are
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: two separate songs on the album and in the single version,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the radio version blends them both together, like that would
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: make sense why there would be like a different recording
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I don't know. I would need to.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I'm now I'm really curious to go listen to this
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: album and see what that what this song is.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have cued it up so we could
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: listen to it on the show, but yeah, I.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Don't know we could.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Let's I wonder if we can find it because I
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: do want to hear that because he says it the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: course to.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Man, No, that's the greatest hits. That's the greatest hits.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: So I don't think this version of the song even exists.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: These people are trying to fucking be maybe it would.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Be this one. I don't have to say, we'll just
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: added all that out, sure, sure, but yeah, I'll have
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to go back and listen to it. It's that song
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: seems like it wouldn't even work as well without that line,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: because you we're the champions of what fucking beer, pong, darts, cricket.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: There's a space for it too, because so those are
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the losers because we are the champions.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I think we got it, guys like, yeah, it's in need.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: That line opposes the rhythm lyrics.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Point where they had to like confront Freddy Mercury and
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: be like, but what are we the champions?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Like the the the meter of the lyrics that you're writing,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: there's you're there's a space here like you're cutting. There's
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: like it's you, you're opposing the But.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I could see that conversation happening in him being like
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the world, Yeah, say of the world, dude.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: A song about my bicycle. Ah.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Queen was all right.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I think Queen was a pretty good band with an
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: incredible front man.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he's the reason why that band was ever anything.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I just don't love theatrics in songs.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: You don't.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I don't like big productions, and that's fair, that's fair.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: It's it just seems like a not a big Rush
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: fan Broadway thing. No, definitely not a Rush fan. I've tried.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I just can't do it. Have you tried cocaine?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: No, that could be that's problem.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just everyone who enjoys rush is also a cocaine Yeah, you're.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Gonna do that? Should come with like a little bag
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: of cocaine. I like that image in my head. I'm
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: into that. Does that either of you remember the Space
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Shuttle Challenger exploding?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I was in sixth grade, so it was definitely nineteen
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: eighty six. It was not nineteen eighty four.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: That was in Germany. Yeah, so it was later. It
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: was mid eighties.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know where this one comes from, but some
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: people just seem to think it happened in eighty four.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: You just got your dates wrong.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, regular was re elected in eighty four. This shit
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: that was that year's tragedy.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: No, it was nineteen eighty four. That means it's an
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: altered timel No, you just remember the dates wrong. Yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: give me a fucking break, and are there.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: People out there bonding over a two year discrepancy and
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: when they remember the Challenge exploding.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: If you can find show at the do it at
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the bare minimum, do the back to the future work,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Like show me a newspaper from nineteen eighty four that says,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: holy shit, Challenger explodes.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's a headline. A lot of people saved. Yeah,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Like there there would be.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: That is a famous event in American history.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: In your version of the time timeline, there should be
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: newspapers that will.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Tell us that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing, Like, it can't just be memories
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: bleeding over from timeline to timeline. That wouldn't because in
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: the timeline, the Challenger also explodes in that timeline, so
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: there's gonna.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Be just two years earlier.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Sense.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't put a dent in anything in a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: historical any.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Like none of these have even challenged me, like it's uh,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: is every example like this?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's that's a thing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: That's why this episode is called the Mandela effect explained right,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: because there's nothing.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: So I mean, I do I do, like I said
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, I do like this. I think it's
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: neat from a sociological standpoint, oh yeah, just because it
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: particularly as we get further and further into in the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: information age and the Internet, and then we can all
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: everything that has ever existed is available for anyone's consumption
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: at any time, and then we can all get together
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and share our ideas and thoughts about things. So the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: fact that the pool of our collective memory just can
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: tenues to grow because we just can access it at
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: any time, and then you get these weird things where
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: you have pockets of people are like, no, man, we
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: all misremembered this thing in the same way. I think
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. Yeah, you have to identify it as you're
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: remembering it incorrectly, But it's interesting that we're all remembering
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: it in the same incorrect way. Why is that?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like I I I say the Internet
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: is part of it because it used to be a
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: time where I, like, someone might remember that the Challenger
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: exploded nineteen eighty four, and then everybody around them is
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: just like, no, that's not true.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: But now we can go on a special box and
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: find all.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: The other people who misremembered it, no matter what proximity
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: they are, and get together yeah and say, okay, look,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: this is a thing, and it's like, no, you're just
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: able to find a more you have a bigger sample
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: size of people of.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: People who got it right. You're taking very interesting data
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and interpreting it in the very wrong way.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I there is if you go on Reddit,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: there is a subreddit for like every weird fucking idea
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: or fetish, Like there's a subreddit devoted to Taylor Swift's armpits.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Sure, And it's like that would only exist in the
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Internet because it's all these people from everywhere over the
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: world who found like fifty people who were into that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: There are dozens of us.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that I feel like that's what a lot
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: of these are is people who are misinformed about something
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: very specifically that statistically speaking, you could find other people
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: like that, which we couldn't before the Internet.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Right, It's not a significant number of people, Like I don't.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Think so, But then I think the media amplifies them.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it turns into a Pilon kind
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: of thing where it's like, well, I don't belong to
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: any other club, but I bet I can fit in
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: with this group of people that think the Challenger exploded.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Two years earlier, Striding Magician who just wanders that will
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: between alternate times, and it's not a.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Bad thing necessarily.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I'm part of a Facebook group of people who miss
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: the tomato flavored ramen noodles.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And where the different thing. You're not like insisting that.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people just got a date. It's the same idea
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: of like a community you find people like minded people.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: But as much as I'm talking shit, I'm member of
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: a Facebook group to bring back Converse slides because they
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: were the best go on flavored en noodles.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I would instantly join a Facebook group to bring back
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the Indiana Jones whopper.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was on that?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: It was like fried onion, straws, Chipolti Southwest mayonnaise. It
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: was like a double cheeseburger. It also had bacon on it.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: It was just it was the best sandwich I've ever had.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: And it was a promotion only for a Crystal Skull.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: That movie deserved its own burger.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah it did.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Uh, Jeff Peanut Butter, anyone ever remember that as Jiffy?
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I think I remember people calling it Jiffy, but it
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: was like we never thought it was Jeff. That was
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: just like a kind of like a nickname. You you
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: would give it. Yeah, I'm like.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: The thing with Jeff is their main competitor is Skippy. Yes,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: it's easy to just go jiffy.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And it's like we used to, like, I mean.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: And it should be Jiffy, like the name when you
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: see it, like I feel like the gut reaction is.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Why don't you just call it jiffy? That sounds like
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: so much more fun.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like fun. Yeah, it sounds like a
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: good thing for kids. But like you know, I also
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: went where I grew up in the South, we called
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: everything every soda coke.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like but see it's like I'm gonna go,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: let's let's have some coke. But you could mean grape
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: soda or you could mean it was just like the
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: catch all term for soda.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: That is weird.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't say, so I want some coke, you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it's weird.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I was in a subway once and there was this
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: basketball tournament in town, so it was packed, and this
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: guy from New York I could telly was from New
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: York from his accent and the way he acted comes
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: up to the counter and goes make me a sub
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and I was like, we are at subway. There are
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: dozens of subs behind my head listed on this menu board,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: be more specific. And he just goes, make me a
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: fucking sub, all right. And I know wherever he's from,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: if you say make me a sub, they know exactly
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: what the fuck you mean. But here, no, are you sure?
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Though he might have been a maniac, he might have
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: just been a crazy person. Yeah, I mean he was
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: definitely that too.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of weird Mandela effect things around food names.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Jiffy peanut butter. People convinced fruit loops used to be
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: fr u it loops.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Which again, I think it's just you'd assume it's called
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: fruit loops, you'd assume it's spelled.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's possible these companies might have rebranded it's
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: possible bit and just changed the name up. Yeah, I
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: could see fruit turning into froot in the nineties. At
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: some point, M surprised there aren't x's in it. Yeah,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: who knows? You did bring up the Luke I'm your
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: father thing. That's uh, yeah, I see you have mirror
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: mirror on the wall.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just again, it's just people picking up
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: when things become in pop culture, like a pop culture thing,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and you get different iterations of it, it shows up
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: as being parodied.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Like you said, yeah, there's like a sitcom maybe where
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: two people are fighting and.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Someone says Luke, I am your father, Like I assume.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And in that case, that scene's not gonna make
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: sense if you don't put Luke's name in it. Yeah,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: because if you're just doing it, if you're just going no,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I am your father, people are gonna be like, what
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: what's that from?
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Is that from Star Wars? Yeah?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And yeah, the the thing with the mirror mirror on
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the wall, the original translation of that by the brothers
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Grim it's mirror Mirror.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And how many different times has that been translated into?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: How many different languages?
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And that's likely to be the more like as popular
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: as the movie is, people probably know this the reading
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: or the book version just as well, at least when
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Mirror Mirror started becoming a saying. So I think that
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: because it's the original translation, it tracks that it would
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: become Mirror Mirror.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just people misremembering because again, we didn't
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: used to have home video or instant access to everything
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: ever made, so you'd get somebody who saw snow White
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: one time, you know, right, the only time you could
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: see it was when it was in the theater, so
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to. We used to get to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a chance to rewatch movies all the time, which is
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: why some older movies have odd mistakes and things like that.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Or like on like Twilight Zone or like Star Trek
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: or any old TV show, you'll see a lot of
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: guest actors repeat, right, because it's like, well you can't
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: reruns aren't really a thing yet, and like you can't
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: let just go look up on the internet. So there's
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't notice that, Oh, this same guy's been
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: on you know, Law and Order eighteen times as eighteen
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: different characters. Right, So it's like if you can't go
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: back and watch the thing, it's just your memory of it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: So and then you just remembered it as being mirror mirror.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, the one that I think, the Hello Clarice
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: thing is interesting because for one thing, people are just
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: thinking of the wrong movie. He does not say anything
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: of the sort in silence of the Lambs.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I assume he doesn't Hannibal. He doesn't Hannibal.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But then the then it becomes did he say
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Hello Clarice, or did he say good evening, Clarice.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I remember Hello Clarice.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: For some reason, I think it's also innile in Hannibal.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I think he calls it right, and he's
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: talking to her, Hello Clarice. Yeah, that's what I thought.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: But apparently no, apparently he says good evening, Clarice, which
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I don't remember that.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I would argue that he says both. Yeah, it could be.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Here is a clip from uh naturally, The Cable Guy
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: starring Jim Carrey, and he seems to think it's Hello Clarice.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, well again, hold on, you saw so many
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: parodies of Silence of the Lambs, right, so that could
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: just be that, you know.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a clip from The Cable Guy.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Sure check this out. Jim Carrey is putting his skin
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: on his.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Face Silent of the Lads.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Hello Clarice, it's good to guard.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: So he thinks it's hello Clarice.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Now I need to go watch Hannibal, which is a
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: bummer because that's not that, but now I feel like
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I have to watch it to see that scene. Good evening, Clarisse,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: it's good to see you. Doesn't even sound right, don't
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: say good. I would say that many times in that
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: close proximy.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: If you get the Hannibal trailer up, I bet you
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: could see it in there.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Let's see this is fun.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I know they changed the trailer sometimes, but I you remember,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I worked at a movie theater when this movie came out,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: so I remember seeing the trail air bunch.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Well, in the Cable Guy, Jim Carrey has to be
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: talking about Signs of Lambs because Cable Guy came out
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: in ninety.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Six, right, yeah, but again it's a parody. It's parody.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they parodied I mean they parodied Sounds of
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Lambs on and Living Color, which is a show Jim
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Carrey was on. So it's like there's I don't know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like I do remember a Hello Clarice line, though,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and apparently it's just not in any of the movies.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, again, I just I can't remember if
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: it's for me remembering it from it from the film,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: or me remembering it from all the parodies of the film.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Because maybe it's an alternate timeline Tom we know of.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I want an alternate timeline where the only change is
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: that he says hello, Clarice and Hannibal. Ye, everything else
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: is everything else I do, but it's still fundamentally alters
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: things in the future.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Hello, hello Clari Yeah fucking said it.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I've been in the state of hibernation.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: But that's just the trailer. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: that's in the movie too. I remember it from the movie.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I've seen this movie in the last couple of years,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: noticing the FBI.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this one, they might just be wrong. I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: think it's people who are run most point. All right,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: we don't have to watch on the case.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that this movie is not very good.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: No need to be reminded how much of a disappointment
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: that is.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: There a Mandela effect where people can't agree who played
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Clarice starling Jodie Foster or Julian Moore, because that would
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: be funny.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: That wouldn't surprise you. Yeah, you know, Julian Anderson was
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: going to get that rule m she was very close.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: She would have been a good pick for that. Yeah,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: she can apparently like something about contracts. She can play
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: another FBI agent.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Because of the X Files. Yep, that's the fucking reason.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: So the last one we've barely talked about it. But
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the Sindbad genie movie. I think this isn't just this
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: one is crazy that so many people think they remember
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: this movie they don't.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's I think it's that Sindbad didn't
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: he do silly, dumb movies.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: He was in movies like this. He was in First
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Kid House.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think people are making a parody in
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: their head on like a dumb sin Bad movie that
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: could exist when they're just thinking.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Of the the Shack movie Shazam. Yeah, that's decided it
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: was Kazam movie, and Shazam is the genie movie people
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: swear exists.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not. I think again it's it's yeah, people
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: confusing the two and then in their head they're going, well,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: that's a movie he would do.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something I don't doubt that for one.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Sure, it's just people deciding that they were. They can't
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: be mistaken about something. It's like, no, you just didn't remember.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and what a hell to die on?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Like no, that's this proof of a parallel youse. The
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Sinbad movie. Nope, Like none of these things, with a
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: few exceptions, these are such low stakes things where it's
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: like you're just misremembering stuff. People, it's not in parallel
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: universes could be a real thing. That's not that's not
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: crazy's that's a thing science talks about. But I don't
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: think we would find out this way.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: No, this is not the way that we're gonna discover that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like it'll be a calculation written out on
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: a whiteboard or something and we'll go, oh, yep, it's real.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: The math proves it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: But other than that, or show me the newspaper where
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: it's advertising it's real.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Now, go get me Shazam on Blu Ray. Please go
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: hop over to that alternate universe and pick that up,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: and we'll play it in our players that probably aren't
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: even coded for that region.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I'm so emphatic about the Sindbad one. Is the reason
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: why is because I was plugged into Sinbad's career in
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the nineties. I was a Sinbad fan. So if he
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: made a movie about a magic genie, that's redundant. If
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: you made a movie about a genie, that ship would
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: not have escaped my focus. Like, yeah, I would remember that,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and I would have I would have gone to see
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: it in the theater.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like yeah, this is definitely on this show, we like.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: This isn't one of those podcasts where we're every conspiracy
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: is definitely true, let's talk about it. This is definitely
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: one where I think, no, this, this is some bullshit
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: that people are yeah making up.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: It would be interesting, like I said, it would be
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: interesting to get like an actual, like sample size and
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: take a look at people who like genuinely not egged
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: on by the Internet or the appeal of being part
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of like some weird reality where alternate universes are just
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: crossing over with each other, but like people enough people
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: misremembering an event in a in the same specific way.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I think that would be really interesting to look at.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: But that's the world. That's not what this. Yeah, this
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: is definitely proof that we're like skipping across timelines.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Now, don't don't think it is now had you been
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: here for the Elvis episode, that's a conspiracy.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I believe now that Elvis is not dead.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm dead now, he's dead. I'm sure he's
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: dead now. I just don't think he died when people
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: think he did. The Witness Protection Program is a thing
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I have to listen to that it's it's actually pretty
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: interesting and the all of the theories behind it are
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: based on FBI files. He definitely worked with him to
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: bring down a criminal organization. It's interesting stuff, huh. Or
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: that might have happened, mabe, I just remember it that way, right, Yeah,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: maybe I remember Elvis's career with him ending with him
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: hopping a plane to Argentina, having.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Just pulled off the justice mission of his dreams.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Elvis dead in a plane crash, right.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think so. Well, it's still
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: still of a drug overdose, just on the way down.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. The plane was was was spirally towards the earth,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: so he took all the quailies he had left.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, was in the airplane bathroom. There wasn't one sit
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: on his plane.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Don't know that.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's the Mandela effect. I call bullshit on
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: this one. I think most people would. Yeah, this is
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: a really tenuous relationship.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: But I think I think it's interesting for very different reason.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: I think that, like I said, they are going to
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: make a movie about it. I think it's a documentary
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: and the X Files covered it. I'm scared that pop
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: culture in the media will make this a thing. Yeah,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: because it's not a thing. It shouldn't be a thing.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: It also seems like an unhealthy thing to introduce to society. Yes,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: during the height of fake news. Yeah, it's one more
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: way for people to not admit that they're wrong.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Right, So it's one more way for people to deny
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: objective reality, right right, And that's dangerous and yeah yeah
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: fuck yeah, because we're gonna get a movie. We're gonna
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: get a Mandela where somebody's going to bring up the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Mandela effect to justify denying the Holocaust.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can see that.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, what a can of worms? This is yes,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: good times. So that's the Mandela effect. We can wrap
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 42:07
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• 42:11
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• 42:15
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• 42:19
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• 42:22
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• 42:24
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• 42:28
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• 42:34
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• 42:38
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• 42:40
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