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Murder In Moscow: Bryan Kohberger And The Dateline Special · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. So
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  Speaker 1: Dateline had a program on on Friday night about Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger and the murders in Moscow. And to say it
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  Speaker 1: was interesting is an understatement. Usually when we see a
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  Speaker 1: program like this, it's more of a rehashing of everything
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  Speaker 1: we know. Well, they had a new little tidbit in
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  Speaker 1: there for us. And that tidbit is Brian Kohlberger allegedly
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  Speaker 1: killed broke into an apartment of a female colleague and
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  Speaker 1: installed security cameras to spy on her. Months before any
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  Speaker 1: of the murders in Moscow even took place. So that
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  Speaker 1: evidence that we talk about, the circumstantial evidence, it continues
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  Speaker 1: to pile up. And when we hear stories like this
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  Speaker 1: on a show like Dateline, chances are there's probably some
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  Speaker 1: tread there. So let's get to this article from thedailymail.com
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  Speaker 1: and let's get caught up. Headline, Idaho quadruple murder suspect
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger broke into apartment of female colleague then installed
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  Speaker 1: security cameras to spy on her when she asked for
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  Speaker 1: help months before the brutal killings. And I doubt that
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  Speaker 1: was the only time dudes ever broke into anyone's house
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that too. And in fact, I'm starting
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  Speaker 1: to believe that he probably killed someone before he killed
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  Speaker 1: these kids. Now, do I have any evidence to back
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  Speaker 1: that up? Zero, not one bit. But the more we
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  Speaker 1: hear about this dude, the more he fits a pattern,
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  Speaker 1: and the more it seems likely, to me anyway, that
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  Speaker 1: he has done something like this in the past. The
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  Speaker 1: author of this article is Emma James. Suspected killer Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger allegedly broke into a female colleague's apartment and moved
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  Speaker 1: items around to get her to ask for his help
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  Speaker 1: before installing security cameras. So the dude breaks in, sets
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  Speaker 1: the whole entire stage up, That this woman's in danger
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  Speaker 1: that somebody broke into her house so that he can
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  Speaker 1: come in there and put cameras in there so he
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  Speaker 1: can spy on her. Yeah, certainly sounds like a stellar dude.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly sounds like somebody that should be receiving a ton
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  Speaker 1: of love letters while he's locked in a cage. The
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  Speaker 1: 28-year-old criminology student had befriended the woman at Washington State
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  Speaker 1: University in Pullman, Washington, according to Dateline. The alleged incident
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  Speaker 1: took place months before the brutal killings of University of
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  Speaker 1: Idaho students, Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan
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  Speaker 1: Chapin on November 13th last year. So there was a
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  Speaker 1: progression with Brian Koberger's behavior. And we've seen that from
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  Speaker 1: everything that we've heard about what he was up to.
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  Speaker 1: The fights with the teachers, getting more aggressive. with the
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  Speaker 1: way he was grading papers, and with students, and just
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  Speaker 1: generally beginning to unravel. And once that unraveling began for
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger, there was no stopping it. And it led
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  Speaker 1: to the murders that we saw at that house at
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  Speaker 1: 1122 King Road in the early morning hours of November 13th.
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  Speaker 1: I'm convinced of that at this point. And each day
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  Speaker 1: that goes by, and the more I dive into those
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  Speaker 1: court documents, the more I become convinced Kohlberger is suspected
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  Speaker 1: of breaking into the property and moving items around, but
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  Speaker 1: not stealing anything, which resulted in his colleague contacting him
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  Speaker 1: instead of the police. The woman, who has not been identified,
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  Speaker 1: asked the suspected killer to come over to assist her,
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  Speaker 1: and he reportedly suggested she install a surveillance system in
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  Speaker 1: the property. And it would make sense, right? Remember, we're
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  Speaker 1: using hindsight to look at Brian Kohlberger, but if you
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  Speaker 1: were his friend... then you would think that a criminology student,
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  Speaker 1: somebody who is going to school for technology, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: to stop bad guys, might have a few ideas about
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  Speaker 1: how you could secure your pad. So it would make
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  Speaker 1: sense to reach out to Brian Kohlberger, especially since nothing
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  Speaker 1: was stolen. And I think that if you have a
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  Speaker 1: friend who is a criminology student, that would be a
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  Speaker 1: pretty natural thing to do. Dateline claims that he offered
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  Speaker 1: to put in the video network, which she agreed to,
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  Speaker 1: though now authorities believe that he could have accessed it
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  Speaker 1: remotely because he knew her Wi-Fi password. Oh, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: he had a back door. A repugnant douchebag like this? Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to have a way that he can peep
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  Speaker 1: in Tom on what's going on. Ex-FBI profiler Greg Cooper
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  Speaker 1: claims that the incident was a step in the progression
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  Speaker 1: of Kohlberger's alleged offending. indicating that he was upping the ante.
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  Speaker 1: He told Dateline, It is another level of power and
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  Speaker 1: domination and control over another person. It definitely shows a
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  Speaker 1: level of progression. Now, again, I think that it might
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  Speaker 1: not have been the first time that Kohlberger did something
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  Speaker 1: like this, though. I think that he might have done
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  Speaker 1: this before, and he probably did it in an area
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  Speaker 1: relatively close to Pullman. So one of those unsolved cases
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  Speaker 1: where some creepy, deranged son of a bitch crawled into
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  Speaker 1: somebody's house and murdered them and got away with it?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that Brian Kohlberger can be ruled out. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we have to look at timelines and all of that,
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  Speaker 1: but there has to be some other progressive step that
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  Speaker 1: occurred here. And I think that this was all part
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  Speaker 1: of the progression and the unraveling, but it's very odd
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  Speaker 1: and very uncharacteristic for somebody during their first murder to
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  Speaker 1: kill four people. The hero image that he can portray,
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  Speaker 1: you've got this problem, I'm here to solve the problem
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  Speaker 1: for you and to make it better for you. The
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  Speaker 1: NBC special also revealed that Koberger, had reportedly bought a
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  Speaker 1: K-Bar knife and sheath in April of 2022 before the
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  Speaker 1: move to Washington. He had still been studying at DeSalas
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  Speaker 1: University in Pennsylvania, but Dateline sources claim that he purchased
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  Speaker 1: the knife, which cops say is the murder weapon, and
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  Speaker 1: took it with him when he moved. Cooper added he
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  Speaker 1: had a fantasy of thinking about committing crimes for a
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  Speaker 1: long time with that knife, and he had become familiar
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  Speaker 1: with it. He felt at ease with it. And if
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  Speaker 1: he had it for a long time, purchased it while
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  Speaker 1: he was in Pennsylvania, if there's any other crime that
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  Speaker 1: matches up to that kind of knife, anywhere in the vicinity, hell,
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  Speaker 1: anywhere within driving distance of, you know, 12, 14 hours even,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be looking at it if I was the FBI.
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  Speaker 1: Because who knows what this dude was up to. The
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  Speaker 1: more we learn about him, the more likely I think
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  Speaker 1: it is that he's hurt people before. Other sources claim
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  Speaker 1: that Kohlberger could have been in the property where the
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  Speaker 1: killings took place on King Road when the four women
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  Speaker 1: were not even present. Police were reportedly called to the
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  Speaker 1: party house in Moscow, but the residents were not always there.
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  Speaker 1: Cooper claims that he would have entered in a group
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  Speaker 1: of people to watch and monitor and imagine, adding that
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  Speaker 1: he would know exactly where everyone slept. It comes after
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger was indicted for on four felony murder charges and
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  Speaker 1: a burglary charge last week. He will be arraigned on
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  Speaker 1: Monday morning at 9 a.m. with Latah County Clerk confirming
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  Speaker 1: to DailyMail.com that the hearing would take place. The alleged
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  Speaker 1: killer was extradited from Pennsylvania to Idaho in January but
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  Speaker 1: was not formally indicted on the four felony murder charges
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  Speaker 1: and burglary. And that had to do with him waiving
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  Speaker 1: his right to the quick and speedy trial? So when
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  Speaker 1: he did that, he opened the door for them to
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  Speaker 1: use the grand jury option, which they did. And it
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  Speaker 1: certainly was a calculated move on his defense's part. But
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  Speaker 1: when you have this kind of complex case, sometimes you
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  Speaker 1: have to roll the dice, right? You have to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that you're going to give your client the best
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  Speaker 1: chance possible. He waived his right to a speedy preliminary
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  Speaker 1: hearing at the time, pushing it back six months until June.
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  Speaker 1: But the decision by the grand jury means there is
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  Speaker 1: no need for a preliminary hearing. This means that the
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  Speaker 1: surviving roommates will not have to face Koberger unless he
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  Speaker 1: pleads not guilty, which would mean the case would go
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  Speaker 1: to trial. A grand jury hearing is not conducted in
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  Speaker 1: open court, with 16 members of the general public hearing
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  Speaker 1: evidence from the prosecution. The defendant and their legal teams
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  Speaker 1: are not allowed to attend the hearing, but Koberger's legal
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  Speaker 1: team will receive a transcript of the proceedings. A gag
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  Speaker 1: also remains in place, preventing anyone connected to the case
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  Speaker 1: from speaking publicly. Though an appeal to overturn this will
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  Speaker 1: be heard on May 25th on behalf of the Associated
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  Speaker 1: Press and the Gonsalves family. I don't see them making
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  Speaker 1: much headway there. I mean, it would be nice if
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  Speaker 1: they did. Right. Get rid of that gag order or
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  Speaker 1: at least pare it back some. But I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that Judge Marshall is going to go back on her
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  Speaker 1: own gag order. I don't think there has been enough
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  Speaker 1: evidence presented and enough case law presented by the Associated
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  Speaker 1: Press or by Shannon Gray, to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: When we were going through those memorandums, it seemed like
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  Speaker 1: all of the case law that had been presented by
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  Speaker 1: the plaintiffs here, by the Associated Press and by the
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  Speaker 1: Shannon Gray. It seemed like their case law was a
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  Speaker 1: bit weak as opposed to the response from the state.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think that Judge Marshall is going to
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  Speaker 1: be moved here. I hope she is, because obviously I
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  Speaker 1: want more information about the case too. But I just
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  Speaker 1: don't think she's going to get knocked off her perch.
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's legal team filed a motion to compel discovery in
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  Speaker 1: the Latah County Court on May 4th. It reiterates previous
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  Speaker 1: requests made on February 3rd and on March 24th. It
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  Speaker 1: seeks all body and dash cam footage from officers involved
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  Speaker 1: in his arrest in Pennsylvania, all audio or video evidence
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  Speaker 1: from his time in jail, including police interrogations, lab reports
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  Speaker 1: from the forensic evidence seized at his parents' home and
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  Speaker 1: his Hyundai Elantra, and the training records for officers involved
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  Speaker 1: in the case. And they push back on that one,
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  Speaker 1: The prosecutor's office said that'll be a touch and go
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing. And if they think that it's worthy
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  Speaker 1: under the Idaho laws that govern this sort of thing,
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  Speaker 1: then they'll reevaluate that. But they're not just going to
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  Speaker 1: turn over records to the defense about the officers. His
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  Speaker 1: latest legal filing comes after it was revealed that police
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  Speaker 1: found traces of blood and the secret storage locker at
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  Speaker 1: his apartment in Pullman, Washington, a 15 minute drive from
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  Speaker 1: where the alleged murders took place. All right. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more information. And, you know, with the
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  Speaker 1: gag order hanging over this case, every little nugget is important.
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  Speaker 1: So the last time we had any kind of nuggets
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  Speaker 1: like this was really with People Magazine talking about Instagram
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  Speaker 1: and then talking about the Mad Greek and the University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho. So this is interesting. And I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: as things keep moving forward, other people are going to
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  Speaker 1: come forward who are not trapped under the parameters of
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  Speaker 1: that gag order and have some very interesting things to
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  Speaker 1: say about Brian Kohlberger. All right, everybody, that's going to
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  Speaker 1: do it for this one. All of the information that
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