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Chloe Szep's Confusing Life Announcement · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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Speaker 1: Kate Torber and coming up on today's show, Chloe Zep
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Speaker 1: is accused of clickbaiting her audience over a big life announcement,
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Speaker 1: Jojo Siwa and Kath Ebbs' very public breakup and our
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Speaker 1: Friday debrief. But first, Matt Sikowsky has revealed what he
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Speaker 1: was really doing on the Easter long weekend. It has
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Speaker 1: been consuming my thoughts ever since Tammy Ambrose posted that
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Speaker 1: she was having this very wholesome Easter morning with her kids.
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Speaker 1: They were in their PJs, they were eating chocolate for
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Speaker 1: breakfast and he was nowhere to be seen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, it turns out he was in Melbourne, like we thought,
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Speaker 1: celebrating with his family. So he shared a photo dump
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Speaker 1: with the caption, all of this social activity is exhausting.
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Speaker 1: What a millennial play on words there. I actually thought
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Speaker 1: he might be having a dig at our podcast because
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Speaker 1: he posted his Easter snaps the day after we released
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Speaker 1: our episode. Is this play about us? I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that that was a dig at us.
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Speaker 2: Maybe you're reading a.
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Speaker 1: Bit into it. Maybe I'm a bit sensitive. One of
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Speaker 1: Matt's relatives did add a rather wholesome comment, saying, I
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Speaker 1: wonder if it's difficult for Tammy to join the family
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Speaker 1: celebrations in Melbourne because she does have joint custody of
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Speaker 1: her youngest daughter, Posey, with Matt Paul. Do you think
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Speaker 1: that's what's the issue? Yeah, it's a hard one because
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Speaker 1: at the same time, Matt does have his own family
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Speaker 1: in Melbourne who might feel like they're missing out if
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Speaker 1: he's always on the Gold Coast with her and her
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Speaker 1: extended family. In relationships, it does need to be a
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Speaker 1: bit of give and take, but it does make it
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Speaker 1: a bit more complex when you do have joint custody
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Speaker 1: of a child. I mean, it seems like Matt had
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Speaker 1: a great weekend. The photo dump included photos of him
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Speaker 1: with his sister drinking champagne, a pig on a spit,
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Speaker 1: hot cross buns and painted Easter eggs. Now, I have
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Speaker 1: been keeping a close eye on Matt Sikowsky's Instagram since
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Speaker 1: he has returned from his hiatus. Well, he did another
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Speaker 1: photo dump where he included photos of him out for
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Speaker 1: dinner with Tammy. She did pop up a number of times.
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Speaker 1: There weren't any couple photos. It was just singular photos
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Speaker 1: of Tammy. There was also a photo of her on
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Speaker 1: a flight. So he's clearly trying to say, look, we
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Speaker 1: are together. Yeah, he is dropping it without making it
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Speaker 1: too much of a big deal. He's also revealed that
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Speaker 1: he's being interviewed on Shameless Media's Inherited podcast, which I
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Speaker 1: was pretty surprised about. To me, he doesn't really fit
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Speaker 1: the mold of who they generally speak to. Are they
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Speaker 1: trying to get to Tammy?
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Speaker 2: Maybe.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I have really enjoyed some of the most
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Speaker 1: recent conversations on Inherited, particularly with Michelle Andrews and her mother,
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Speaker 1: I was in tears in the car listening to that.
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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to listen to it yet. It
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Speaker 1: is such a sad story. but also such a beautiful one,
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Speaker 1: the way that they were able to share it. I
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Speaker 1: also love the conversation with Jessie Stephens, particularly about her
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Speaker 1: relationship with her husband, Luca, because I mean, Shameless put
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Speaker 1: that out just as all of the shit was hitting
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Speaker 1: the fan, which I thought was very unwarranted. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we have spoken about it in depth on our subs channel.
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Speaker 1: Jessie Stephens and Mia Friedman actually appeared on the Stellar
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Speaker 1: podcast the other week, and that was a really interesting listen.
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Speaker 1: It's clear that they're trying to do a bit of
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Speaker 1: PR around the situation because Mia Friedman just disappeared off
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Speaker 1: the podcast. Yeah. I mean, majority of the conversation was
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Speaker 1: about their show, well, the second season of Strife, which
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Speaker 1: is about to come out. I kind of wanted more
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Speaker 1: of a tidbit about their working relationship and how, more
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Speaker 1: so how they go as mother and daughter-in-law. But they've
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Speaker 1: spoken about it so many times. Like how much more
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Speaker 1: can they say? They obviously have to say, oh, we
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Speaker 1: love it. You know, I mean, I think Jessie made
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Speaker 1: a good point. She's grown up as an identical twin.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't really know what it's like to not work
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Speaker 1: with family and be around family 24-7. Yeah, you don't
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Speaker 1: have boundaries when you're an identical sibling. Getting back to Matt, though,
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Speaker 1: I am very intrigued to hear his insights because Inherited
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Speaker 1: is a podcast where I feel like it's quite deep.
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Speaker 1: And I don't mean to be unfair about Matt, but
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he has quite the personality to
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Speaker 1: do well on a show like that. It's sort of
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Speaker 1: like when Tammy Hembrough was interviewed by Mia Friedman. on
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Speaker 1: No Filter again, we're bringing up Mia. But yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: when they don't quite go into it enough and you're
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Speaker 1: hoping for more, but it's not very insightful. We might
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Speaker 1: see a different side of Matt. I think this is
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Speaker 1: a great PR opportunity for him to tap into that
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Speaker 1: audience that are a little bit, you know, not his
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Speaker 1: biggest fans. And I wouldn't be surprised if he opens
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Speaker 1: up more about his fertility. Well, yeah, it definitely sounds
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Speaker 1: like it's an opportunity for people to see another side
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Speaker 1: of him. I know we all have a bit of
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Speaker 1: a laugh about the Matt and Tammy situation because it
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Speaker 1: does come across as a bit of a circus at
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Speaker 1: times just because of the public nature of it. But
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Speaker 1: the intense interest in your relationship, particularly for two young people,
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Speaker 1: would be very tough to deal with. And I sometimes
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Speaker 1: feel like we underestimate the strain that it would put
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Speaker 1: on both of them. Yeah, it would be very difficult.
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Speaker 1: And then I go into the office, see the girls
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Speaker 1: and start my day with back-to-back meetings. Chloe Zep has
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Speaker 1: been accused of clickbaiting her audience after unveiling a major
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Speaker 1: life announcement on her Instagram. The OG influencer shared a
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Speaker 1: photo of her pregnant with the caption, big announcement. Now,
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Speaker 1: many people presumed she was announcing her third pregnancy, but Kate,
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Speaker 1: that wasn't the case. No, Chloe, in fact, was announcing
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Speaker 1: that she's closing down her activewear brand, Zep. But you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have known that unless you got down to the
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Speaker 1: eighth line of the caption. And let's be real. Most
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Speaker 1: people are scrolling on Instagram and don't even read the captions,
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Speaker 1: let alone a whole slab of text. It was clearly
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Speaker 1: a way for her to attract attention by putting up
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Speaker 1: that photo. Definitely. So Chloe started out by writing, big announcement. Hello.
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Speaker 1: It's been a while since I have shared on here,
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Speaker 1: but there's some big changes happening in my life. I
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Speaker 1: have been contemplating in prayer for a good year now
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Speaker 1: to gain clarity and direction. And big decisions always scare me,
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Speaker 1: but with God, I know that he holds the whole
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Speaker 1: picture and I just have to work it out piece
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Speaker 1: by piece. She then went on to say, it is
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Speaker 1: with sadness and peace that I lay down Zep for
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Speaker 1: a little while. I mean, I didn't find this news
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Speaker 1: particularly shocking. I can't say that there's been much hype
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Speaker 1: around this activewear brand. The last time I really heard
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Speaker 1: about Zep was when Chloe Zep was being cancelled over
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Speaker 1: her stance on vaccinations. Yeah, I was going to say
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Speaker 1: when people were burning it. Yeah, literally on TikTok, people
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Speaker 1: were burning her activewear, throwing in the bin. They were
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Speaker 1: putting masking tape over Zep to conceal the brand. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm surprised it lasted six years. It was
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Speaker 1: launched back in 2019. In saying that, though, there were
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Speaker 1: a lot of comments about how people were quite devastated
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Speaker 1: that the activewear line was being shut down because people
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Speaker 1: were raving about the quality of it. I think it
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Speaker 1: comes down to her being quite an irrelevant influencer now. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Ever since all of the drama in 2020, we haven't
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Speaker 1: heard much from her. And even back in 2020, I
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Speaker 1: was surprised she was such a big deal because essentially
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Speaker 1: she She was known as Shiny Grimmons' best friend. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think that Mitch Orville's presence also helped her. People
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Speaker 1: loved tuning in to see her and Mitch's dynamic and
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Speaker 1: they had really cute kids as well. But it just
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Speaker 1: shows that if you're not going to continually engage with
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Speaker 1: your audience and put out new content, you can become
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Speaker 1: completely irrelevant in the space of a couple of years
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Speaker 1: and your businesses will fail. I mean, back to these
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Speaker 1: clickbait allegations. One person wrote, clickbaiting your followers by making
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Speaker 1: it seem like you're pregnant, not a good take. which
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Speaker 1: got 169 likes. Another said, wait, guys, is she pregnant?
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Speaker 1: And someone else added, wait, wait, I'm confused. Are you
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Speaker 1: pregnant or is the photo referencing being a mum to
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Speaker 1: the boys already? If so, congratulations. And Chloe ended up
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Speaker 1: replying saying, not pregnant, but all old Zep photo shoots.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, as if she doesn't have any other images.
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Speaker 1: From past photo shoots to you, she knew exactly what
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Speaker 1: she was doing here. I mean, to be fair, it
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Speaker 1: was a photo dump. So there were a range of photos,
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Speaker 1: but the pregnancy photo shoot one was the first photo
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Speaker 1: on the carousel. And it's been juxtapositioned with the word
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Speaker 1: big announcement. Yeah, exactly. Chloe did try and clear things
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Speaker 1: up on her story. She ended up sharing the post
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Speaker 1: on her story and wrote, sorry if you thought I
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Speaker 1: was pregnant, old pic from a Zep photo shoot when
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Speaker 1: I had Sunny Bunny in my belly. I think what
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Speaker 1: also added to the confusion was her very lengthy statement
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Speaker 1: where she spoke about motherhood throughout it. She said she
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Speaker 1: no longer had time to pursue Zep. And while she
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Speaker 1: didn't know what was next, she had peace knowing that
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Speaker 1: motherhood is in her heart and she was raising her boys.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this made many people assume that she was
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Speaker 1: giving up Zep now that she was having a third baby.
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Speaker 1: One other thing that stood out to me about this
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Speaker 1: announcement was how much Chloe referenced God. So she and
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Speaker 1: her fiance Mitchell Orville recently found God and she finished
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Speaker 1: up her announcement saying, I look forward to sharing more
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Speaker 1: of my journey again as I continue to navigate with God.
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Speaker 1: Do we think that possibly she's continuing either paid or
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Speaker 1: unpaid work within the church? Because I'm getting ultra confused
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Speaker 1: at how these people continue to make money when they,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's clear that they're not doing many brand deals.
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Speaker 1: It's not like Instagram is generating her an income anymore.
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Speaker 1: Now she's dropping the business where she had employees They
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Speaker 1: recently moved into an office as well. So it seemed
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Speaker 1: like they were trying to take it to the next level. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she had six employees based on the Gold Coast. There
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Speaker 1: are a lot of questions and speculation growing about what
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Speaker 1: is going on with the Zepp Orvilles. And there's been
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Speaker 1: a lot of rumours about a potential split between Mitch's parents,
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Speaker 1: Mark and Sharon Orville. People are questioning, is the family
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Speaker 1: undergoing financial hardships? Chloe's mom actually added fuel to the
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Speaker 1: fire by commenting, Oh, Chloe, with a crying face. So
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Speaker 1: proud of my baby girl. You are a wonderful mother
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Speaker 1: and it's commendable that you are choosing to spend this
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Speaker 1: precious time with your beautiful boys. Unfortunately, over the years,
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Speaker 1: several people have taken advantage of your kindness and generosity,
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Speaker 1: but I'm excited for your bright future with your fiance
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Speaker 1: and children. Love you so, so, so much. Wow. So
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Speaker 1: she's dropping the bomb in the comment section that there
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Speaker 1: is more to this closure than simply Chloe wanting to
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Speaker 1: spend more time with her kids. She is. Do we
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Speaker 1: think that there's investors involved who have screwed her over
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Speaker 1: or is she pointing to family members? It's very up
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Speaker 1: in the air who she's actually referencing. Yeah, it's very vague.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if Chloe was like, oh, for fuck's sake, mum,
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Speaker 1: don't write that. Or potentially she wanted her mum to
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Speaker 1: drop the bomb like this and level a few of
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Speaker 1: these accusations at people and then play it off as, oh, mum,
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Speaker 1: why did you write that? Because surely if this was
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Speaker 1: some information that you didn't want out there, you would
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Speaker 1: delete the comment pretty swiftly.
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Speaker 3: I don't even know where to begin. I'm filming this.
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Speaker 3: in a complete state of shock, which I know is
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Speaker 3: probably distressing and is probably giving go, have a sleep.
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Speaker 1: This week, all anyone can talk about is Jojo Siwa
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Speaker 1: and Kath Ebbs' very public breakup. The former Dance Moms
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Speaker 1: star has just spent the last 20 days in the
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Speaker 1: UK celebrity Big Brother house, growing increasingly close to housemate
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Speaker 1: and former Love Islander Chris Hughes, all while her Aussie
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Speaker 1: partner Kath watches on from home. So before we dive
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Speaker 1: into the drama, let's talk about the key players here.
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Speaker 1: The first is, of course, Jojo Siwa. Now, she is
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Speaker 1: a 21-year-old American singer and actress who found fame on
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Speaker 1: reality show Dance Moms when she was only 12 years old.
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Speaker 1: She's also very famous among Gen Alphas, who she made
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Speaker 1: millions of through her very successful Airboat Empire. Now, in
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Speaker 1: recent years, she has been desperately trying to cross over
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Speaker 1: to a more adult audience, and her rebrand has been
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Speaker 1: compared to Miley Cyrus' Wrecking Ball era, because she dramatically
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Speaker 1: tried to change up this very wholesome, kid-friendly persona to
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Speaker 1: a much edgier and more rebellious one. I mean, she's
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Speaker 1: also been called a professional rage baiter and Her rebrand
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Speaker 1: was deemed as very cringe. She copped a lot of
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Speaker 1: criticism online for it last year. And in 2021, she
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Speaker 1: made headlines when she announced that she identified as a lesbian. Now,
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Speaker 1: in November last year, while she was in Australia for
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Speaker 1: the TikTok Awards, Jojo met our very own Kath Ebbs. Now,
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Speaker 1: Kath is an actor, presenter, DJ and content creator. Fun fact,
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Speaker 1: they also appeared as a trainer on the Kick apps
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Speaker 1: and were the first non-binary character on Aussie TV show Neighbours.
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Speaker 1: Many people also may have come across Kath in Abby
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Speaker 1: Chatfield's content as the pair are very good friends. Now,
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Speaker 1: Kath and Jojo instantly hit it off and fell in
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Speaker 1: love very quickly. They have been dating for around four
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Speaker 1: months now. Then there is Chris Hughes. I would like
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Speaker 1: to describe him as Love Island royalty because he appeared
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Speaker 1: on Series 3 back in 2017. where he briefly dated
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Speaker 1: Olivia Atwood. Well, they were actually on a TV show
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Speaker 1: together and they had to pull the pin on the show.
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Speaker 1: I think it was like two episodes in because they
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Speaker 1: broke up. I am actually a big fan of Chris Hughes.
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Speaker 1: I loved him on that series of Love Island. See,
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Speaker 1: I feel like he hasn't really been discussed much in
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Speaker 1: this story. When I've heard people on podcasts or in
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Speaker 1: the media talking about it, he seems to be omitted.
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Speaker 1: But I feel like it's really important to know a
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Speaker 1: bit more about his background. I mean, he dated Jesse
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Speaker 1: Nelson from Little Mix in 2018 and they actually split
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Speaker 1: up in early 2020. So a two-year relationship there. It
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Speaker 1: is interesting because maybe he has a bit of a
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Speaker 1: type for famous singers. Now, Chris is 32 years old
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Speaker 1: and he has been working as a horse racing presenter
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Speaker 1: in recent times. I feel like his age has been
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Speaker 1: thrown around a lot because he is 11 years older
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Speaker 1: than Jojo Siwa and people seem to be making a
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Speaker 1: very big deal about that. We need to remember though,
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Speaker 1: She is overage because I've seen the word groomer being
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Speaker 1: tossed around. Yeah, and for Jojo, even though she is
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Speaker 1: just 21, she is wise beyond her years because she's
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Speaker 1: been in the industry for a very long time. She's
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Speaker 1: not your typical 21-year-old. Now that we are all across
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Speaker 1: the main players, let's dive into what has gone down
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Speaker 1: whilst Jojo has been in the UK Big Brother house
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Speaker 1: because during her stay, she has dominated press headlines and
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Speaker 1: it hasn't just been for her close relationship with Chris.
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Speaker 1: During her first week in the house, she faced inappropriate
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Speaker 1: and homophobic remarks from fellow housemate Mickey Rourke. A lot
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Speaker 1: of us probably won't know who he is because, I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's the UK Big Brother, but he's a 72-year-old actor
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Speaker 1: and former professional boxer. It's clear Big Brother knew what
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Speaker 1: they were doing when they put him in the house. Oh,
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Speaker 1: they could have probably written the script for it. Now,
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Speaker 1: during a conversation, Mickey asked Jojo if she liked girls
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Speaker 1: or boys, to which she responded, girls. He then remarked,
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Speaker 1: I know, I could tell. He also told the 21-year-old,
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Speaker 1: if I stay longer than four days, you won't be
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Speaker 1: gay anymore. Now, Jojo rejected this statement saying, I can
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Speaker 1: guarantee I will still be gay and I will still
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Speaker 1: be in a very happy relationship. Oh, that has not
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Speaker 1: aged well, has it? Now, the conversation got even more
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Speaker 1: threatening when Mickey said, I'll tie you up, to which
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Speaker 1: Jojo responded, I can promise you that won't happen. I
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Speaker 1: dare you to try. and you'll be the one tied up.
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Speaker 1: Good on her for hitting back at this absolute dickhead. Well,
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Speaker 1: Mickey also declared that he was going to vote the
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Speaker 1: lesbian out real quick, and in a conversation which he
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Speaker 1: claimed was about the communal smoking area, he said, I
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Speaker 1: need a fag, and then proceeded to gesture to Jojo
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Speaker 1: before declaring, I'm not talking about you. Now, Chris Hughes
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Speaker 1: immediately called Mickey out, telling him he can't say that,
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Speaker 1: and Mickey replied claiming he was just talking about a cigarette. Now,
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Speaker 1: I want to point out that these comments are, of course,
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Speaker 1: very confronting, but we thought it was important to read
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Speaker 1: them out and provide full context because I think it
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Speaker 1: really shows the treatment that Jojo received in the very
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Speaker 1: first few days of the house and how tough it
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Speaker 1: would have been for her. I mean, we've touched on
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Speaker 1: the fact that she is wise beyond her years, but
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Speaker 1: this is difficult for anyone to deal with. Oh, it's
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Speaker 1: disgusting behavior from Mickey Rourke. And You can see why
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Speaker 1: Jojo and Chris would have bonded so much, particularly because
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Speaker 1: he was the one that stood up for her. Definitely.
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Speaker 1: I think that's what really sparked their connection and initial friendship. Now,
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Speaker 1: Mickey was issued a formal warning by the show's producers,
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Speaker 1: and he was later removed from the house for making
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Speaker 1: unwanted sexual remarks towards another housemate called Ella Wise, and
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Speaker 1: also for an aggressive verbal confrontation with Chris Hughes. The
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Speaker 1: show was widely condemned though for not acting sooner and
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Speaker 1: removing him for his homophobic comments towards Jojo. It's very disturbing.
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Speaker 1: In this day and age, you would have thought he
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Speaker 1: would have been ripped out of the house instantly, but
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Speaker 1: it's clear that they wanted him there for ratings. Now,
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Speaker 1: once Mickey was out of the house, it was Jojo's
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Speaker 1: relationship with Chris Hughes, which took center stage, particularly on
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Speaker 1: TikTok with snippets of their interactions going viral. Oh, these
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Speaker 1: were everywhere on my For You page. I I feel
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Speaker 1: like I watched this whole show just on TikTok.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's how shows go off these days.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, it also made the show international because this is
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Speaker 1: a show that is aired in the UK, but everyone
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Speaker 1: around the world tuned into this. Oh, this is a
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Speaker 1: sign for Big Brother Australia. I think it's Channel 7
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Speaker 1: that now have it. Go back to the normal format.
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Speaker 1: People want to see the housemates talking and having conversations.
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Speaker 1: They don't want to see the games. They don't want
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Speaker 1: to hear the strategy. Well, they also had a live
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Speaker 1: stream of the Big Brother house, a bit like up
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Speaker 1: late that they used to do. But apparently anytime anything
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Speaker 1: controversial or interesting happened, they would immediately blur the screen
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Speaker 1: so that they'd save it for the main show. Now
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Speaker 1: getting back to Chris and Jojo, as we all saw
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Speaker 1: unfolding on TikTok, the pair developed a very close and
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Speaker 1: some would say intimate relationship. And while they did describe
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Speaker 1: their bond as being platonic, there were several incidents that
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Speaker 1: raised concern, not only amongst viewers, but also their housemates,
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Speaker 1: because the pair were very physically affectionate. All the massages
17:28
Speaker 1: and back scratching was very flirtatious. I would not have
17:31
Speaker 1: been happy if I was Kath Ebbs. They actually slept
17:34
Speaker 1: in beds next to each other and they'd have all
17:36
Speaker 1: these late night chats and one night she was like
17:39
Speaker 1: tapping on him to see if he was awake and
17:41
Speaker 1: then she started writing different letters in his hands to
17:45
Speaker 1: spell out something to him secretively. Yeah, a lot has
17:47
Speaker 1: been made about that because in the scene it showed
17:51
Speaker 1: her writing four letters but she said that they actually
17:54
Speaker 1: spent the whole night writing on each other's hands and
17:57
Speaker 1: this was actually about a broader conversation around her gender
18:00
Speaker 1: identity and Getting back to this physical affection, the thing
18:04
Speaker 1: that was quite weird about it is it started almost instantaneously.
18:07
Speaker 1: So Chris was already giving Jojo back scratches on day three.
18:11
Speaker 1: And as you said, it progressed to cuddles. There was
18:14
Speaker 1: also a moment where they were in a hot tub
18:16
Speaker 1: together and Jojo was sitting on Chris's lap. And one
18:19
Speaker 1: of the housemates who's a UK actor called Danny Beard
18:21
Speaker 1: told the pair they either need to fuck or just stop.
18:25
Speaker 1: And what about there's a dance scene also going viral
18:27
Speaker 1: where they literally look like they're about to kiss. Like
18:29
Speaker 1: it's so awkward watching it all back. That was another thing.
18:32
Speaker 1: They weren't just physically affectionate with one another. They appeared
18:35
Speaker 1: to have this really strong emotional connection because they were
18:38
Speaker 1: practising for dirty dancing. That's the whole thing. They were
18:41
Speaker 1: doing this whole dance routine together. That wasn't part of
18:43
Speaker 1: a task or anything. They just decided that they wanted
18:46
Speaker 1: to do it together. I don't know if you saw it,
18:48
Speaker 1: but there was also this really bizarre clip where Chris
18:51
Speaker 1: requested that Jojo lick chocolate off his shorts. Let's have
18:54
Speaker 1: a listen. Lick that off, please. That has to go.
18:58
Speaker 1: Please lick that off.
19:00
Speaker 5: No, like lick it.
19:01
Speaker 2: Please lick it off.
19:03
Speaker 3: Start there.
19:03
Speaker 5: Imagine that wasn't chocolate.
19:07
Speaker 1: Lick it, you freak. I saw this and the camera
19:11
Speaker 1: angles were so dodgy on it by Big Brother. Like
19:14
Speaker 1: it looked so wrong. This was one of the scenes
19:17
Speaker 1: that actually did make me feel uncomfortable about their age
19:19
Speaker 1: gap because it did seem like he was really pressuring
19:22
Speaker 1: her to see how far he could push her. It
19:24
Speaker 1: was very strange. Yeah, because he clearly would have known
19:27
Speaker 1: that that was going to be cut up and how
19:28
Speaker 1: that would have come across. I have been wary to
19:31
Speaker 1: comment on all of these grooming allegations going on because
19:34
Speaker 1: as we mentioned earlier, Jojo is, of course, overage. But
19:38
Speaker 1: also because it's hard to know the context when you
19:40
Speaker 1: just see a clip from Big Brother. A lot of
19:42
Speaker 1: the UK public are completely shipping this romance between Jojo
19:47
Speaker 1: and Chris because they love their dynamic. on the show
19:51
Speaker 1: and they've obviously watched a lot of footage of them together. Yes,
19:53
Speaker 1: it is edited but, you know, you were saying that
19:55
Speaker 1: you can see up late and actually look into the
19:58
Speaker 1: conversations in real time that they're having. I think there's
20:01
Speaker 1: also this element where people are really titillated by the
20:04
Speaker 1: fact that they think that this man has turned this
20:07
Speaker 1: gay woman straight. Oh, there is a massive element of that.
20:10
Speaker 1: And I think people are also so supportive of it
20:12
Speaker 1: because sadly people don't actually see a lesbian relationship as
20:16
Speaker 1: being as genuine as a heterosexual relationship. Which is just
20:20
Speaker 1: so wrong. It is extremely wrong. It kind of reminds
20:23
Speaker 1: me of the hype around Tully Smythe and Drew's relationship
20:27
Speaker 1: in the I think a lot of people will forget
20:31
Speaker 1: that when Tully entered the house, she actually had a
20:33
Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time. Yeah, and she cheated on her
20:35
Speaker 1: girlfriend with Drew. I do remember that Tully copped a
20:38
Speaker 1: lot of criticism over it, but in terms of the
20:41
Speaker 1: actual relationship with Drew, people were shipping it and he
20:45
Speaker 1: was very popular with the Australian public. I think he
20:47
Speaker 1: came third in the series. Well, getting back to Jojo
20:50
Speaker 1: and Chris, I do have to mention another really weird
20:54
Speaker 1: scene that was going viral yesterday. This was part of
20:57
Speaker 1: a challenge. So they were dressed in cat outfits and
21:00
Speaker 1: Big Brother put a kitty litter box in the shared
21:03
Speaker 1: bedroom of the housemates and they thought it would be
21:06
Speaker 1: hilarious to piss in it together. So Chris went first
21:09
Speaker 1: and then Jojo also squatted and pissed in the litter box.
21:13
Speaker 3: Wow.
21:14
Speaker 1: I mean, this is reminding me of a big school camp.
21:17
Speaker 1: Like people are saying, oh, how did they get close
21:19
Speaker 1: so quickly? It's kind of those situations where you've got
21:22
Speaker 1: no one else in there. And it's all fun and
21:24
Speaker 1: games and you suddenly start getting feelings for each other.
21:27
Speaker 1: That seems to have been what's happened to you. Yeah,
21:30
Speaker 1: it is the classic school camp scenario, particularly when you've
21:33
Speaker 1: got all these in jokes. I've noticed that in a
21:35
Speaker 1: lot of interviews they've done since coming out of the
21:37
Speaker 1: house and, you know, Jojo's been so keen to watch
21:40
Speaker 1: all of the clips back and she just seems to
21:42
Speaker 1: be so engulfed in the experience. And, you know, so
21:46
Speaker 1: situations where you haven't been on the camp and you're like,
21:49
Speaker 1: stop going on about it. Yeah, well, a huge moment
21:51
Speaker 1: for Jojo on the show was when she told fellow
21:54
Speaker 1: housemate Danny that her time in the house made her
21:56
Speaker 1: come to a realization about her sexuality. So she said,
21:59
Speaker 1: I've always told myself I'm a lesbian. And I think
22:02
Speaker 1: being here, I've realized, oh, I'm not a lesbian. I'm queer.
22:05
Speaker 1: And I think that's really cool. I'm switching letters. I've
22:08
Speaker 1: dropped the L and I'm going to the Q, baby.
22:10
Speaker 1: That's what I love about sexuality. It has been pretty
22:13
Speaker 1: remarkable to watch her navigate her sexuality on such a
22:17
Speaker 1: public stage. And for her to show young people watching
22:20
Speaker 1: at home that sexuality can be fluid because I think
22:23
Speaker 1: there's a tendency for people to want to label others
22:27
Speaker 1: straight away and to put you in a box when
22:30
Speaker 1: in reality I think Jojo is really showing that there's
22:33
Speaker 1: this discovery process when it comes to your sexuality and
22:36
Speaker 1: it can take a long time. I mean she is
22:38
Speaker 1: 21 as well and been in the public eye for
22:41
Speaker 1: so many years and she probably felt like she needed
22:44
Speaker 1: to come out and put a label on it very
22:46
Speaker 1: quickly because And I think what people have been loving
22:49
Speaker 1: about Jojo in the Big Brother house is she's not
22:51
Speaker 1: what she appears to be on social media. People have
22:54
Speaker 1: really loved this stripped back version of her where she's
22:57
Speaker 1: being very raw. Yeah. And I think that she's really
22:59
Speaker 1: liked the fact that she's had her phone taken away
23:01
Speaker 1: from her. There's no outside distractions. And She said that
23:05
Speaker 1: she's really had to sit in her own thoughts and
23:08
Speaker 1: reflect on her life and get to know herself on
23:10
Speaker 1: a deeper level. And I think this admission about her
23:13
Speaker 1: sexuality is a particularly bold one to make when your
23:16
Speaker 1: partner is watching on at home. Because reading between the lines,
23:20
Speaker 1: Jojo made this realisation about her sexuality due to her
23:23
Speaker 1: very close friendship with Chris in the house. And if
23:26
Speaker 1: you were Kath, you would be questioning everything. Oh, I
23:29
Speaker 1: feel so sorry for Kath in this situation. And as
23:33
Speaker 1: Jojo and Chris's on-screen connection started to blossom, Kath became
23:36
Speaker 1: noticeably absent from their social media channel. And I feel
23:40
Speaker 1: like this was a way for Kath to protect themselves.
23:44
Speaker 1: This story was blowing up all over TikTok. It would
23:47
Speaker 1: be so hard to watch. I mean, I found it
23:49
Speaker 1: hard to watch. Yeah, particularly because everyone had a take
23:52
Speaker 1: on their relationship. And Kath also was beginning to experience
23:56
Speaker 1: some very relentless trolling, which just seems so unfair to
24:00
Speaker 1: And during the final week, the housemates received letters from
24:03
Speaker 1: home and Jojo was left unsettled by what she described
24:06
Speaker 1: as Kath's cold message. So the letter in question was
24:10
Speaker 1: actually written by Jojo's mum. And in it, she wrote,
24:13
Speaker 1: the most important thing to tell you is a message
24:15
Speaker 1: from Kath, because I know you really miss them the most.
24:18
Speaker 1: Kath's keen to see you when you get out. Now,
24:21
Speaker 1: of course, this being reality TV, it was Chris who
24:23
Speaker 1: read the letter out to Jojo. That was a nice
24:25
Speaker 1: little touch, wasn't it? Now, Jojo did seem very unsettled
24:29
Speaker 1: by this letter, and she told her fellow housemate, Jack Shepard,
24:32
Speaker 1: I'm finding myself really analyzing that note, and I don't
24:36
Speaker 1: like it. She then went to the diary room to
24:38
Speaker 1: share her thoughts on the letter. Here's what she said.
24:42
Speaker 6: God, I love that little sucker.
24:44
Speaker 7: I do.
24:47
Speaker 6: I do have beef to pick with them, though. They
24:49
Speaker 6: didn't even say in the note that they love me.
24:50
Speaker 6: I will not let them live that down. I will say,
24:54
Speaker 6: where was my hi, sweetheart? Where was my I love you?
24:58
Speaker 6: Where was my I miss you?
25:00
Speaker 7: Like, happy you're keen to see me when I get
25:01
Speaker 7: out of here.
25:02
Speaker 2: Keen to see you as well. But come on, Baba.
25:05
Speaker 7: Give me a little something something.
25:08
Speaker 1: I really don't know what Jojo expected from Kath in
25:11
Speaker 1: the letter. I mean, for Jojo, who's pretty much a
25:14
Speaker 1: reality TV veteran... she knows exactly how the mechanics of
25:18
Speaker 1: this show works. She would be very aware of how
25:22
Speaker 1: her relationship with Chris is being portrayed on the show
25:25
Speaker 1: and also across social media. So she would know the
25:28
Speaker 1: scrutiny that Kath would be receiving on the outside world.
25:31
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but she made Kath look like an
25:33
Speaker 1: absolute mug. Did she really expect Kath would then declare
25:37
Speaker 1: their love in a gushy letter to her? Yeah, I
25:39
Speaker 1: was pretty surprised by Jojo's reaction. Now, following the letter,
25:43
Speaker 1: Jojo then went on and spoke to Chris and said,
25:46
Speaker 1: She needed to wait 48 hours before telling him something
25:49
Speaker 1: pressing that was on her mind. Now, to put this
25:52
Speaker 1: into context, the finale was in less than 48 hours,
25:55
Speaker 1: so it was clear that Jojo wanted to tell him
25:57
Speaker 1: something away from the cameras. Now, this, of course, led
26:01
Speaker 1: viewers to speculate that perhaps she was going to tell
26:03
Speaker 1: Chris that she wanted to end her relationship with Kath
26:06
Speaker 1: and be with him. Now, despite all of the online
26:09
Speaker 1: theories about Jojo and Chris's relationship and the very intense
26:13
Speaker 1: media scrutiny around it, Kath made the decision to jump
26:16
Speaker 1: on a 24-hour flight to be by Jojo's side at
26:19
Speaker 1: the finale. I don't blame her though. If that was
26:22
Speaker 1: my partner on TV, even if I was pissed with them,
26:25
Speaker 1: I'm not staying back home in Australia to wait for
26:28
Speaker 1: her and Chris to get out of the house and
26:29
Speaker 1: have all this alone time without me being there to
26:32
Speaker 1: be like, what is going on? Yeah, you definitely want answers.
26:36
Speaker 1: And I think it was quite clear that Kath wanted
26:38
Speaker 1: to believe that a lot of the drama on the
26:40
Speaker 1: show was fabricated and it was just a fake reality show.
26:44
Speaker 1: And Kath found out very quickly that what we saw
26:46
Speaker 1: on the show was very much real. And they were
26:50
Speaker 1: dumped by Jojo at the Big Brother wrap party. And
26:53
Speaker 1: Jojo moved very fast. She dumped Kath one hour after
26:57
Speaker 1: seeing them. For the first time in three weeks, let
26:59
Speaker 1: me point out. And I have to add in, I
27:01
Speaker 1: want to call it a bit of a fun fact
27:03
Speaker 1: here because Kath has since shared with the team from
27:05
Speaker 1: the Big Small Talk podcast that Jojo actually broke up
27:09
Speaker 1: with them when she was wearing a full face of
27:11
Speaker 1: glitter and chains in her hair. This was a look
27:13
Speaker 1: that she wore to the Big Brother after party, which
27:15
Speaker 1: is all over TikTok at the moment. I kept seeing
27:18
Speaker 1: everyone saying as soon as Chris saw her like that,
27:20
Speaker 1: he was really put off. Well, Kath said it was
27:23
Speaker 1: very hard to take her seriously in that moment. Now,
27:27
Speaker 1: pretty sensationally, Kath shared the news of the breakup in
27:31
Speaker 1: a 13-minute TikTok video, which has since been archived. Here's
27:36
Speaker 1: some of what they said.
27:38
Speaker 2: It has come to my attention.
27:41
Speaker 3: In the past eight hours that everything we sort of
27:47
Speaker 3: saw unfold on what I thought was a fake reality
27:52
Speaker 3: show where I didn't need to worry about the validity
27:57
Speaker 3: of my relationship was in fact laced in a lot
28:01
Speaker 3: of truth, which has been so.
28:08
Speaker 3: Probably one of the most craziest, intense, awful, horrific experiences
28:16
Speaker 3: I've ever.
28:17
Speaker 2: Probably gone through in my adult life. But the truth
28:20
Speaker 2: of the matter is I.
28:22
Speaker 3: Decided to show up for my partner and hold up
28:27
Speaker 3: my end of the bargain of being in a partnership
28:31
Speaker 3: and being a teammate. And I flew across the world
28:34
Speaker 3: to support and be there and hold that person in
28:38
Speaker 3: whatever they would be experiencing, leaving such a wild experience. Um,
28:44
Speaker 3: and instead I was dumped, um, at the after party
28:52
Speaker 3: with Chris in the next room, which is fucking crazy
28:56
Speaker 3: to say out loud. It's truly crazy. Like there's a
29:01
Speaker 3: lot of processing that needs to happen. I was told
29:04
Speaker 3: that there are confused feelings there do with that what
29:08
Speaker 3: you will and that they had realised in the house
29:11
Speaker 3: that I wasn't the person that they wanted to spend.
29:17
Speaker 2: The foreseeable future with.
29:21
Speaker 3: Which has honestly been as you can probably tell by
29:24
Speaker 3: my demeanour so shocking that I feel kind.
29:28
Speaker 2: Of subhuman right now um.
29:34
Speaker 3: Yeah and I feel incredibly humiliated and I feel a
29:38
Speaker 3: bit embarrassed. I feel like the internet might've warned me
29:41
Speaker 3: a little bit and I, I, I guess didn't listen.
29:48
Speaker 1: You would be absolutely fuming. And you could really tell
29:51
Speaker 1: from Kath's response that they were in utter shock. I
29:55
Speaker 1: did find it quite fascinating to hear that from someone
29:58
Speaker 1: who works in the television industry, that they were convinced
30:01
Speaker 1: that it was all just manufactured drama. And I think
30:04
Speaker 1: it's clear that that's because Kath wanted to believe this
30:08
Speaker 1: and they were convinced that their partner wouldn't treat them
30:10
Speaker 1: in this way because Kath made it pretty clear that
30:13
Speaker 1: they fell victim to some pretty intense love bombing early
30:17
Speaker 1: on in their relationship with Jojo. Kath explained that Jojo
30:20
Speaker 1: told them that they were the love of her life
30:22
Speaker 1: and even asked them to marry her before heading into
30:26
Speaker 1: their house. So utterly confusing would all of this be
30:30
Speaker 1: to put that all into perspective Kath and Jojo were
30:32
Speaker 1: only together for four months so a marriage proposal is
30:35
Speaker 1: pretty intense yeah it was pretty fascinating to hear Kath
30:39
Speaker 1: drop bits and pieces about Chris because whilst Jojo was
30:42
Speaker 1: breaking up with Kath they claimed Jojo said she had
30:46
Speaker 1: confused feelings in regards to Chris so he was used
30:50
Speaker 1: as an excuse for the breakup Kath went on to
30:52
Speaker 1: say that Jojo told them she wanted to explore independence
30:55
Speaker 1: and certain feelings. As for how Kath felt about Chris,
31:00
Speaker 1: they said they had opinions on him, which they won't
31:03
Speaker 1: go into, and said Jojo and Chris's relationship is their
31:07
Speaker 1: journey and to essentially enjoy it. God, that was very
31:10
Speaker 1: reserved of them, wasn't it? If it was me, I
31:13
Speaker 1: would have gone ham on Chris. I don't think I
31:14
Speaker 1: would have been so kind. Kath also revealed that despite
31:18
Speaker 1: their efforts to fly halfway across the world, they were
31:21
Speaker 1: met with a lot of anger from Jojo. Kath says
31:24
Speaker 1: Jojo had a lot of anger around the letter and
31:27
Speaker 1: about Kath not wanting to appear on TV. It seems
31:30
Speaker 1: like Jojo has used this letter as a bit of
31:33
Speaker 1: a scapegoat to go, oh, it's actually you that fucked
31:35
Speaker 1: up Kath, not me. It was really fascinating to hear
31:38
Speaker 1: what was actually going on behind the scenes with Kath,
31:41
Speaker 1: because as we touched on, they went offline during the
31:43
Speaker 1: last two weeks of the show and They admitted it
31:46
Speaker 1: was a very upsetting time for them and they felt
31:49
Speaker 1: betrayed by what they saw on TV. And Cass said
31:52
Speaker 1: they went offline because they couldn't get clarity or talk
31:55
Speaker 1: to Jojo. So they didn't want to jump online and
31:58
Speaker 1: speculate before they had all the facts, which I think
32:00
Speaker 1: was very fair of them. It was pretty evident how
32:04
Speaker 1: humiliated and broken they were by the whole ordeal and
32:08
Speaker 1: the immense impact that trolling has had on them and
32:11
Speaker 1: also the media scrutiny. It's interesting to think back to
32:14
Speaker 1: the Tali Smythe situation because her ex-girlfriend never really had
32:18
Speaker 1: a right of reply. We didn't have, I think we
32:20
Speaker 1: had only just started to have Instagram. There were no
32:22
Speaker 1: stories or anything. Yeah, and people weren't putting out public
32:25
Speaker 1: statements on their Instagram. So it is really interesting how,
32:29
Speaker 1: you know, we've seen Jojo's side of it. We've heard
32:31
Speaker 1: from Chris Hughes. And now we are hearing from Kath.
32:34
Speaker 1: And I think it's only fair that they got to
32:35
Speaker 1: share their point.
32:36
Speaker 2: Of view too.
32:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there has been an absolutely massive reaction online
32:40
Speaker 1: to this developing story and obviously the break-up There seems
32:43
Speaker 1: to be a couple of camps. There was one camp
32:46
Speaker 1: of people when the show was airing who felt like
32:48
Speaker 1: the speculation around Jojo's friendship with Chris was homophobic. Yeah,
32:53
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people jumping on saying, no,
32:55
Speaker 1: this is just how queer people interact with platonic friends.
32:58
Speaker 1: It's totally normal. They're very touchy feely. And then following
33:01
Speaker 1: the breakup, there was another camp of people who were
33:04
Speaker 1: utterly heartbroken and angry on Kath's behalf. And they were
33:08
Speaker 1: adamant that they had been cheated on and Jojo's behavior
33:11
Speaker 1: was out of line. I think There were a lot
33:13
Speaker 1: of Australians in particular who felt like we needed to
33:16
Speaker 1: jump in and protect Kath at all costs. Yeah, particularly
33:19
Speaker 1: because we hadn't seen the show. So it's easy to
33:21
Speaker 1: look at it in a black and white sense and
33:22
Speaker 1: be like, hang on, this woman has cheated on her partner. Then,
33:26
Speaker 1: of course, there's the other camp who said that Kath
33:28
Speaker 1: needed to get over it and that they shouldn't be
33:31
Speaker 1: hurt because it's just a four-month relationship. And then there's
33:34
Speaker 1: the people that were obviously shipping the relationship from Big Brother.
33:37
Speaker 5: Yeah.
33:38
Speaker 1: There's also been a lot of people condemning Kath for
33:40
Speaker 1: making a public breakup announcement on TikTok. And I want
33:44
Speaker 1: to jump in and defend that one because Kath is
33:47
Speaker 1: not the one who made this situation public. Jojo did.
33:51
Speaker 1: I mean, Kath had to sit back for three weeks,
33:54
Speaker 1: essentially watching their partner cross so many lines on international
33:57
Speaker 1: TV so many times. It would be humiliating. And Kath
34:01
Speaker 1: was really respectful. they remained silent until they could actually
34:05
Speaker 1: speak to their partner. Yeah, exactly. And I found it
34:08
Speaker 1: really interesting to hear Abby Chatfield's take on the situation
34:12
Speaker 1: as we touched on. She is friends with Kath and
34:15
Speaker 1: she explained that she has actually met Jojo a handful
34:17
Speaker 1: of times and she thought that she was lovely and mature,
34:21
Speaker 1: but then said this situation has proved otherwise. Abby went
34:25
Speaker 1: on to call Jojo a professional rage baiter and said
34:28
Speaker 1: she would have been aware of the ramifications this fallout
34:31
Speaker 1: would have on Kath.
34:34
Speaker 4: She is a career reality TV star, right?
34:40
Speaker 1: She's incredibly good at it. She's incredibly smart.
34:43
Speaker 8: She's very hardworking, very successful, but she is.
34:49
Speaker 1: A rage baiter, right?
34:51
Speaker 8: We're all aware of that.
34:52
Speaker 1: We all know that.
34:53
Speaker 4: She knows that any publicity is good publicity.
34:56
Speaker 1: It's gotten her a career. It's elevated her career.
35:01
Speaker 8: She's very talented in many ways.
35:03
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk shit about her, but.
35:06
Speaker 8: It's elevated her career. It's really blown up her career,
35:09
Speaker 8: particularly on TikTok. And that's great that she's kind of
35:13
Speaker 8: cracked that formula. But my issue is in knowing that
35:18
Speaker 8: and being intentional with.
35:19
Speaker 4: That in Jojo's everyday life and career, She's aware of
35:26
Speaker 4: how media cycles work and she's completely aware of what
35:29
Speaker 4: stories media runs with. She's aware of how the public
35:32
Speaker 4: react to things and how to get the public enraged.
35:36
Speaker 2: I think, and I would hope it wasn't the case.
35:39
Speaker 4: I think my issue is more that she wasn't aware
35:43
Speaker 4: or cognizant of the potential ramifications for Kath. In this
35:46
Speaker 4: whole thing, Kath has been collateral damage.
35:50
Speaker 1: Think abby hit the nail on the head there by
35:52
Speaker 1: calling jojo a professional rage baiter she is incredibly savvy
35:56
Speaker 1: online and in her dealings with the media and she's
35:59
Speaker 1: been exposed to strategy and manipulation from an early age
36:02
Speaker 1: so she would be very aware of how this relationship
36:05
Speaker 1: would have played out not only in the media but
36:08
Speaker 1: online and she would have known that kath would have
36:10
Speaker 1: been sitting at home watching on feeling completely helpless and
36:14
Speaker 1: And to make matters worse, she would have been aware
36:16
Speaker 1: that there would have been trolling involved. Now, following her
36:19
Speaker 1: departure from the show, Jojo appeared on ITV's morning show
36:23
Speaker 1: alongside Chris Hughes. Yeah, that was very interesting. The Big
36:27
Speaker 1: Brother producers clearly know what they're doing. Everyone wanted to
36:30
Speaker 1: see their dynamic together outside of the house. Yeah, and
36:33
Speaker 1: of course, Kath's very public breakup announcement had gone live.
36:37
Speaker 1: So Jojo took the opportunity to say that she hadn't
36:39
Speaker 1: been happy in the relationship for quite some time. Here's
36:42
Speaker 1: more of what she said.
36:45
Speaker 7: Honestly, day three, I was now in my own thoughts,
36:48
Speaker 7: away from everyone that I know, away from outside opinions,
36:51
Speaker 7: away from everything. And I sat with myself. And from
36:56
Speaker 7: that point on, I really realized things that I was
36:59
Speaker 7: okay with in my life that I should never have
37:01
Speaker 7: been okay with.
37:02
Speaker 2: In the first place.
37:02
Speaker 1: Do you mean your relationship? And just so many things.
37:05
Speaker 7: I was one of them, but so many things. And
37:09
Speaker 7: then I, you know, obviously I wanted to hold them
37:12
Speaker 7: inside though, because I didn't want to air that out
37:15
Speaker 7: very publicly. But there were countless things that I was like,
37:19
Speaker 7: that's not, you know, something that I should be okay
37:22
Speaker 7: with and I don't need to be okay with and
37:23
Speaker 7: I'm not happy. And I knew as soon as I
37:27
Speaker 7: got out, I wanted to fix things in my life
37:30
Speaker 7: and make the changes that I needed to make.
37:32
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a bit rich to come out
37:34
Speaker 1: and say, oh, I just haven't been happy for so long.
37:37
Speaker 1: It's a four-month relationship. where you have apparently proposed to
37:40
Speaker 1: the person right before going into the house. Yeah, you're
37:43
Speaker 1: in the honeymoon period. Like, what is going on? Now,
37:46
Speaker 1: the morning show host, Ben Shepard, remarked that JoJo, in fact,
37:49
Speaker 1: did act very quickly, pointing out that she broke up
37:51
Speaker 1: with Kath at the wrap party. JoJo confirmed that she
37:55
Speaker 1: did break up with Kath at the wrap party, but
37:57
Speaker 1: that she didn't plan on doing it then and there.
38:00
Speaker 1: So JoJo claimed that Kath initially said that they didn't
38:03
Speaker 1: want to attend, but then an hour in decided to
38:06
Speaker 1: come along. Jojo said at the party Kath asked if
38:09
Speaker 1: Jojo was happy and she said no and one thing
38:12
Speaker 1: led to another. The host then asked, whatever I wanted
38:16
Speaker 1: to know, what is going on between Jojo and Chris?
38:19
Speaker 1: Here's what Chris said.
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Speaker 5: There's clearly a very tight bond.
38:24
Speaker 2: Obviously we're close.
38:25
Speaker 7: Obviously we're tight.
38:26
Speaker 5: I think it's like our friendship is like it's just a–
38:31
Speaker 5: It's hard to explain. It's just a really strong bond
38:34
Speaker 5: between two people, which is just a strong friendship. And
38:38
Speaker 5: I think you can have like a soulmate friendship. I
38:41
Speaker 5: think that's a thing. And to me, it's like that
38:43
Speaker 5: energy of where it's not like the standard friendship that
38:47
Speaker 5: you have with your friends, but it's, you know, it's
38:49
Speaker 5: still a friendship. You know, we are friends and it's
38:52
Speaker 5: just nice. And that's why I found the whole, I
38:55
Speaker 5: found it strange because it was such a strong friendship.
38:58
Speaker 1: Literally take a shot. Every time Chris said friend. Well,
39:02
Speaker 1: you'd be very drunk. It seemed like he wanted to
39:04
Speaker 1: make it very clear from his end that nothing else
39:08
Speaker 1: was going on between them. I mean, you've only just
39:10
Speaker 1: got her to break up with her partner and now
39:12
Speaker 1: you're saying, oh no, we're just friends. Like what a
39:14
Speaker 1: slap in the face. Well, in the comment section, there
39:16
Speaker 1: were many people who felt as though maybe Chris had
39:18
Speaker 1: blindsided Jojo and maybe she thought if she dumped Kath,
39:23
Speaker 1: it would then lead to a relationship with him. Ben,
39:27
Speaker 1: the host, then asked Jojo if she would like more
39:30
Speaker 1: with Chris in the future. And here's what she said.
39:32
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a gorgeous boy.
39:36
Speaker 5: So are you, Ben.
39:37
Speaker 1: He's a gorgeous boy.
39:38
Speaker 7: You're a gorgeous boy. You're a gorgeous girl. Look, he's
39:42
Speaker 7: a great guy. It is platonic. We have a lot
39:45
Speaker 7: of fun together. Life is life. And I don't know
39:49
Speaker 7: any future of anything, but I'm really grateful for our
39:53
Speaker 7: dynamic that we have and our bond that we have
39:55
Speaker 7: and whatever life does, life will do.
39:57
Speaker 1: What I read into this is that Jojo very much
40:00
Speaker 1: wants something with Chris and she is planning on exploring
40:03
Speaker 1: this relationship. I think that Chris probably is as well.
40:07
Speaker 1: He was probably just trying to play it down to
40:09
Speaker 1: try and not appear to be the bad guy in
40:11
Speaker 1: the situation. Because to be real, Jojo was the one
40:14
Speaker 1: that was in a relationship, not him. Well, he's probably
40:16
Speaker 1: also mindful that it's sometimes not a good look or
40:20
Speaker 1: not a good decision to jump into a relationship straight
40:22
Speaker 1: away after another one's ended. I mean, they also live
40:26
Speaker 1: in different countries. So maybe, I mean, being 32, maybe
40:29
Speaker 1: he's a bit more mature and wants to see how
40:30
Speaker 1: this would all work. I find the way that they
40:33
Speaker 1: keep calling one another friendship soulmates quite odd. It's a
40:38
Speaker 1: bit of wanky, isn't it? Let's be honest what's going on.
40:40
Speaker 1: There's a lot of sexual tension there that needs to
40:42
Speaker 1: be resolved. And I don't know if there'll be friendship
40:44
Speaker 1: soulmates after that's happened.
40:45
Speaker 7: Yeah.
40:45
Speaker 1: I wonder how long this connection will actually go on for.
40:49
Speaker 1: Jojo has been posting about Chris to her 11.2 million
40:52
Speaker 1: followers on Instagram. She showed the pair having a tennis
40:55
Speaker 1: match together. I believe that they spoke about playing tennis
40:58
Speaker 1: with Inside the House. So it'll be very interesting to
41:01
Speaker 1: see how this relationship evolves. Well, if Chris is clever
41:04
Speaker 1: from a PR strategy, he'd want to explore this further
41:07
Speaker 1: and gain some of those followers. Now let's get into
41:10
Speaker 1: our Friday debrief. And so I want to talk to
41:13
Speaker 1: you about Meghan Markle's first ever podcast interview on the
41:16
Speaker 1: Jamie Kern Lima show. So of course she has had
41:20
Speaker 1: two podcasts now of her own, but it's actually the
41:23
Speaker 1: first time that she's been interviewed in a long form
41:25
Speaker 1: on a podcast. And I was pretty surprised that she
41:28
Speaker 1: chose the Jamie Kern Lima show. I have never heard
41:32
Speaker 1: of this woman, but she is the founder of IT Cosmetics.
41:35
Speaker 1: She's also been on Megan's Female Founder podcast. And the
41:39
Speaker 1: pair live next door to each other. So they're great friends.
41:43
Speaker 1: And they made such a big deal about the fact
41:45
Speaker 1: that they were sitting in the rocking chairs that they
41:47
Speaker 1: usually sit on at their house and to have these
41:49
Speaker 1: deep conversations. And they both weren't wearing makeup. I call
41:52
Speaker 1: absolute bullshit. Jamie was wearing makeup. You can see she
41:55
Speaker 1: visibly had blush on. Megan, on the other hand, I
41:58
Speaker 1: think was barefaced. People were commenting that she had quite
42:02
Speaker 1: an intense face tan on though, but to be fair,
42:04
Speaker 1: that's what I'd be doing if I was told I
42:06
Speaker 1: couldn't have any makeup on. Yeah, it was quite clear
42:09
Speaker 1: there was some products being used to achieve that no
42:11
Speaker 1: makeup makeup look. I'm confused by the philosophy behind it though,
42:15
Speaker 1: because if you own a makeup brand, would you not
42:17
Speaker 1: want to be promoting the makeup that you wear on
42:19
Speaker 1: a big stage like this? But it was all about
42:21
Speaker 1: being raw and honest. So if you actually haven't listened
42:24
Speaker 1: to it in full, you've only heard snippets of it. Oh,
42:25
Speaker 1: I keep seeing it pop up on my TikTok algorithm.
42:28
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where it's no surprise
42:32
Speaker 1: to the listeners that I'm a big fan of Meghan Markle,
42:34
Speaker 1: but I am cringing hard at some of the moments
42:36
Speaker 1: that are being shared. See, I think that her first
42:38
Speaker 1: podcast interview should have been with Alex Cooper on Call
42:41
Speaker 1: Her Daddy. That would have given her some credit. This
42:43
Speaker 1: podcast was so hard to get into because, There was
42:47
Speaker 1: eight minutes of hype and it was so American. It
42:51
Speaker 1: was so spewy. I was like, just talk to Megan.
42:55
Speaker 1: I can't stand it. And it was like, I was like,
42:57
Speaker 1: who is this woman? She's actually interviewed Oprah before. She's
43:00
Speaker 1: got 500,000 followers. But it was so cringe and I'm like, no, Megan,
43:04
Speaker 1: this is not where you need to go. You need
43:06
Speaker 1: to be on a good podcast where you have a
43:07
Speaker 1: good chat because deep down I think she's a very
43:11
Speaker 1: nice person. But unfortunately because of all the press backlash
43:14
Speaker 1: and She goes on these podcasts and she has to
43:17
Speaker 1: really push and pump herself up and she's got her
43:19
Speaker 1: friend pumping herself up. Well, not so much pump her up,
43:21
Speaker 1: but I think that she's got to pump up her
43:23
Speaker 1: relationship with Harry because there's been a lot of speculation
43:25
Speaker 1: that their marriage is on the rocks. Well, she did
43:28
Speaker 1: call him a fox on the episode. She said he
43:30
Speaker 1: was a fox. And I want to throw to the
43:32
Speaker 1: way she spoke about their relationship because she said that
43:35
Speaker 1: they're actually in the honeymoon phase now because before they
43:39
Speaker 1: were going through all of this crap with the royal
43:41
Speaker 1: family and they had to hide their relationship. But this
43:44
Speaker 1: is how she explained what Harry does for her.
43:48
Speaker 9: You know, I mean, H, that man loves me so much. And,
43:55
Speaker 9: you know, look what we've built. We've built a beautiful
43:57
Speaker 9: life and we have two healthy, beautiful children. And, you know,
44:02
Speaker 9: I always think about it like the end of Super
44:05
Speaker 9: Mario Brothers when you get to the final, final level.
44:07
Speaker 9: And what's the goal in Super Mario? They're like, slay
44:09
Speaker 9: the dragon, save the princess. I'm like, that's my husband.
44:12
Speaker 9: He's just out there just constantly. He's just going to
44:16
Speaker 9: do whatever he can to make sure that our family
44:18
Speaker 9: is safe and protected and we're uplifted and still make
44:22
Speaker 9: time for date nights.
44:25
Speaker 1: Why, Megan, why? Please, someone should have omitted this scene
44:30
Speaker 1: from the podcast. There was also this really random story
44:33
Speaker 1: Megan told about meeting Baywatch star Yasmeen Blythe, and all
44:37
Speaker 1: I could think about was Chandler and Joey going on
44:39
Speaker 1: about her on Friends. So when Megan was working in
44:42
Speaker 1: a yogurt shop, she was taking some trash bags out
44:45
Speaker 1: to the street and she saw Yasmeen and she went
44:48
Speaker 1: up to her and was like, oh my gosh, I
44:49
Speaker 1: love you in this commercial. And Yasmeen said to her, hi,
44:54
Speaker 1: I'm Yasmeen, what's your name? And she said that now
44:56
Speaker 1: she always says that to fans when she meets them
44:59
Speaker 1: because she said she felt so seen in that moment. Oh,
45:02
Speaker 1: I quite like that story. I think that's quite a
45:04
Speaker 1: good tactic. And it just is funny that it's come
45:07
Speaker 1: from a former Baywatch actor, particularly because, you know, she
45:10
Speaker 1: probably used that skill when she was a royal out
45:13
Speaker 1: meeting the public. Yeah, it is a good tip. I
45:16
Speaker 1: also enjoyed hearing the backstory of why Meghan calls Harry
45:19
Speaker 1: H and he calls her M. And it was all
45:21
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that they had to talk
45:23
Speaker 1: in codes while they were dating and it's just stuck.
45:26
Speaker 1: And I mean, it does come across as a little
45:28
Speaker 1: bit insufferable, but then I think about how I always
45:31
Speaker 1: call my husband darling and it started off as a
45:33
Speaker 1: joke and it's just stuck. It does make more sense
45:35
Speaker 1: now hearing that they had to speak in code, but
45:38
Speaker 1: I think H in particular isn't a letter that rolls
45:41
Speaker 1: off the tongue easily. I mean, I'm glad that they
45:42
Speaker 1: say H instead of H. That is my absolute pet peeve.
45:47
Speaker 1: My husband says H and his last name is Hancock.
45:50
Speaker 1: So he's always spelling it out for people when he
45:52
Speaker 1: goes to the shops for his email and it just
45:54
Speaker 1: grates on me. And I feel like interrupting and being like,
45:57
Speaker 1: it's H. Yeah, recently I had a disagreement of it
45:59
Speaker 1: and we actually ended up researching the origins of it.
46:02
Speaker 1: And the correct way is H. Oh, I've seen mixed stuff.
46:07
Speaker 1: I think it can actually be both. No, it's not.
46:09
Speaker 1: Go look into it.
46:10
Speaker 3: All right.
46:10
Speaker 1: Well, I think that is where we will leave things
46:12
Speaker 1: for today. Thank you so much for joining us for
46:14
Speaker 1: this episode. If you have enjoyed it, could you please
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46:20
Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the
46:23
Speaker 1: Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to
46:26
Speaker 1: elders past and present.