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Stock Market Whiplash, Supreme Court Rulings, and the Rise of Democratic Socialists · Common Sense Ohio

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All right, it is that time again. Common sense Ohio. So if you
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don't have your common sense with you, no worries. We're going to give it to
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you right now. It is July 8,
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2026. The year has flown by
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and I thought I would start this with I think some.
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Well, I'll just say it. We hold these truths to be
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self evident. Why did I stop there?
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Well, first of all, we read. The first reading of the Constitution publicly was on
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July 8, 1776.
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And that was by a guy named.
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I had it. Had it. John Nixon, Colonel John Nixon gave the first public reading
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of the Declaration of. I said Constitution, I meant Declaration, I've been sick. I
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meant Declaration of Independence. That was on July
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8, 1776. But what's interesting about this,
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and I didn't know all this history, I did a little exploration. When I don't
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sleep, I tend to do these things. That was not the original words
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of the Declaration of Independence.
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Initially, it was something different. It was we hold
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these truths to be. It was Jefferson's original version. Let me get it right.
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We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable.
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All right, but along comes Ben Franklin. So I
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guess Jefferson says, why don't you take a look at this, Ben?
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Take a peek. And I did this deep dive into Ben Franklin. Guy was
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amazing. Just absolutely amazing, dude, completely.
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But Ben says, why don't you give it a little perusal? Well, Ben was friends
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at the time with a guy named David Hume. And David Hume, for you philosophy
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geeks out there. I was almost a philosophy minor in college,
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which meant I fumbled through some dialogues and such. But
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anyway, David Hume was one of the empiricists. And the empiricists would say, look,
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everything that we have would come from what we can perceive.
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Meaning. All right, you don't know what color looks like, Norm. If you've been
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blind your whole life, you can't perceive it. And that's an
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oversimplification of empiricism, but it's a British philosophy.
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Locke was in that camp. A couple other guys. I think one other guy was
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in the camp. And Franklin was an empiricist and he was sort
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of a deist, meaning he didn't. Not quite there with.
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Yeah, he was an agnostic, no question. Until later in life. We'll get to
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that. So Franklin said, look, I'm going to change this up a little bit. I
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think it's self evident. It doesn't have to be sacred. It doesn't
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have to necessarily come from God. And we don't want to exclude all those
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empiricists out there who wouldn't see it this way. And he really changed the course
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of history because he made it obvious to everybody. And I
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think as much as I believe in God and as much as I believe in
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what Jefferson was saying, and I think Franklin did too, on some level. But
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what he was saying is let's not create language here that will
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exclude people from the outset. It's a big tent move. That's what it
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was. It was just as simple as that. It's like,
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fine, you can
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go ahead and say that four times in the Declaration
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that these rights were bestowed
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by God, but you can also say that they're self evident,
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regardless of where they came from. That's right. So whether they. In other
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words, Franklin's language included everybody. That's right. And what he didn't
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want to do is exclude anyone. And if they said it's bestowed by God, then,
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you know, even today people would say, well, we don't believe in God, so we
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don't have these rights. And that's fine. Which is also why
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the communists and you democratic socialists out there who think that you
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know better, that's why they have to get rid of God. Right.
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You know, because it is that they want to believe that all these rights come
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from mankind. That's right. And you know, fundamentally, without
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getting into a huge philosophical discussion,
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if you don't believe that there is a God, some kind
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of fatherly or kind
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or even maternal God, if you don't believe that there's
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a God, then you don't believe that there's good. And if you don't
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believe that there's good, then nothing is bad.
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And so you just end up in this nihilistic
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kind of dog eat dog world where
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malevolence or greed or self
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gratification is the main driver of
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human behavior. Right, yeah. Right. So these are the
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postmodernists that sort of were the precursors to this
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critical theory, which basically. And
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Franklin knew that that was not the way to go. So he didn't
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exclude God from the Declaration. He
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toned down the initial
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preamble. Yeah. And what's interesting, what I didn't
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know is that. And Franklin, sort of a fascinating guy.
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He was not a blue blood. Right. He was a
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common guy. Oh yeah. His hands got dirty. He did
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his experiments personally. Yeah, he was. But he loved science and
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loved learning. He was a scientist and very popular guy at the time. Sort of
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practical. First fire department in the United States,
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first printing press, first this, first That. I mean, it's just incredible,
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really. It's not just a kite and a key. No, no. It's off the hook.
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Yeah. But what I hear tell is that later on,
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after the revolution, he had his sort
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of Damascus moment. Oh, sure. Where he said. He actually
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says out loud, God ordained this because too many things would
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have had to fall into place for us to actually win this war
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and have this successful revol. And it's not uncommon. Let's face
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it, Steve, he lived to be an old man. And as a
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guy who's getting a little older myself, I just have to say that there
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is something to the foxhole conversion. Yeah. You start to appreciate your own
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mortality and you want to think that there's got to be more. Yes, exactly Right.
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So he pursued young women as an old man. That was one way
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to make himself a little bit immortal. But I think he realized,
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you know, you got one foot in the grave, you're, hey,
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what's after this? Yeah. And he had a great mind,
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and I think he worked it out. Yeah. And I happen to be in the
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middle of Proverbs with my Bible in a year and a day, or a Bible
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in a year, every day by day. And there's a lot of talk of wisdom.
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And wisdom comes with age and it comes with experience. It doesn't come with youth.
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You get other things in youth, but you don't get wisdom. Yeah, it's rare. It's
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rare. And as my good friend in college used to say,
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you can't fake experience. So you can fake your resume. You can put all
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sorts of. Somebody. We knew somebody was doing that, but, like, sort of beefing up
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the old resume. And he's like, listen, you can't fake experience. You're going to show
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up and you're going to know nothing, and it's going to be obvious. You're going
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to be exposed. And that's the opposite of wisdom. Right. Yeah. Right.
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So, anyway, off to the races, Norm. Off to the races. I
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just. I think we have to open up with what is
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absolutely sizzling right now. So Trump is at.
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President Trump is at the NATO
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summit being held in, I believe,
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Ankara, Turkey, being
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hosted by Erdogan. President Erdogan
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of Turkey is hosting. I believe the
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NATO meetings are there. At any rate,
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he has said last night that the MOU deal
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with Iran is over. Now, you know,
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Trump does sometimes say things
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as a positioning tool that,
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you know, he'll say things similar to that. You know,
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like he'll make a. Just a flat statement like that. As
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a way to push people back to the negotiating table.
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But I mean, we have missiles in the air, we have drones that have been
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shot down, we have injured troops
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at some of these US Bases.
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The irgc, the Revolutionary Guard
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of Iran doesn't seem to be under any kind of
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mou. I mean, they don't seem to subscribe to what
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the negotiators have worked out with our
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negotiators. And so they're firing on tankers
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and freighters in, in the Strait of
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Hormuz and we're now shooting back. And I think
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maybe we're, we're either going, either Trump is going to shove
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these people back to the negotiating table, which leads to another
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round of, in my opinion, just bull crap
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where he's doing his rope a dope until the
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midterms, or we're going to get into a hot war.
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And Steve, for the short term,
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the stock market plunged yesterday on this news. It
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opened up or the futures are down like 700
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points this morning. Oil is up,
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not looking good. You know, if, if,
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except if, like me,
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this is not easy to say because I don't want anybody killed. I don't.
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I echo all the things Trump says about not wanting dead
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bodies and devastation for the Iranians because I don't
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want the general population to suffer. But
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there may be no other way to do this other than just to
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eviscerate the infrastructure in that
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country and bring down that regime and frankly to supply
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arms to those who want to rise up and have a secular
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government in Iran. Something we should have done.
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We should have continued what we were doing in February. Yeah.
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You know, it seems like I'm no expert in
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warfare and the history of this stuff, but it seems
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like it's so obvious from the sidelines these sort of half measure
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wars or skirmishes, conflicts, whether
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it's Vietnam, whether it's Korea, it's like they never,
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you're always left short. You're always left feeling
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like it was a waste. You're always left feeling like
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why did we have to lose all those people? And at least so
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far we don't have boots on the ground. It's not like a hot war with
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people getting killed. There are people dying again, like you, but
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it's not what it could be. But I fear it may be. I mean, it
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doesn't have to be. I mean, I think we can probably do the job
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pretty efficiently, but we've held back and I sort of think, you know,
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if you're going to do it, just do it. Get it done or get out
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and just accept that you didn't reach your goals. But now
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I don't think he has a choice. I mean, you can't. I
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guess, as you look at this, they're shooting down or
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Iran is attacking commercial ships through the straits. You can't
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tolerate that, and we shouldn't tolerate that, and the world shouldn't
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tolerate that, and that's that. And Iran
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loves to say, they love to play on what they perceive as American,
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American weakness. But, but I'm with you. I think Trump's sort of art of the
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deal approach here is, all right, I'm going to play this little rope a dope
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and I'll have this memorandum understanding. It looks like we gave him everything. But guess
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what? They're not even going to, they're not even going to abide by the
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generosity of this agreement. And therefore, I'm going to have more impetus or
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another, a real reason to go back. And I think that's what's happening.
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And it sucks for the market. All I can say is you
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don't need to sell. Nobody needs to, unless you. Hopefully some of you may have
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to. But, you know, it's like, listen, just keep this. Keep, keep the faith.
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Yeah, keep on, you know, just, just keep going forward.
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Be patient. I think it spells doom for the midterms.
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Yeah, it's, it's. I mean, this is exactly what
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the Republican Party did not need
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and I think could have been avoided if he had prosecuted the
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war, you know, could have been done in
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three weeks, in February, like, Genghis Khan would have, like, just, dude,
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just get it done. Get it done. Instead, he took
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his foot off the throttle. And I think he did it for humanity. I
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absolutely think he did it for humanitarian reasons
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and also so that the oil markets
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worldwide wouldn't be devastated by, say, taking out
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Carg island and destroying all this oil infrastructure.
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Because he was thinking, hey, a new regime is going to come into
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power, take over for, for the religious radical
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Islamists, and that regime then will inherit
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this infrastructure and Iran will join the community of
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nations and we'll all sing. I'd, you know, we'll all do the Coca
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Cola. I'd like to teach the world to sing. Right. And old hands. And maybe
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that still can happen, you know, but, you know, if we take out
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Carg island, that's like, that's the. Yeah, you know, that's the
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Rubicon. That's it. Right? And the, and, you know,
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something like 10% of the world's oil goes through there.
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So, you're looking at a huge hit to economies. I
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think China is the number one. They get like, like out of
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that 10%, China gets like something like
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80% of that in Japan gets most of the rest. So you're
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talking about two of our largest Asian
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trading partners being completely devastated
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for cheap oil, below market priced oil,
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which means everything from China that you're buying at Walmart
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is going to get jacked. And
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you got to wonder what Xi will do. The last time
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we pressured the economy of an Asian trading partner
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back in, what was it, 1941. Right. We got
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Pearl harbor bombed. Yeah, I'm not
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sure we want to really. You know, so far China has stayed out
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of this thing. But you know, if we're going to deny
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them their oil,
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something's got to take its place, you know,
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because when, you know, I'm sad to say, I don't buy anything from communist
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China if I can for my business or even personally, I'll look at
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where my gym shoes are made and buy ones made in Mexico or
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Thailand. But most people don't, they just
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buy price. And that's really going to damage our economy
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is when the price of goods, I mean, we're already hyper inflationary right
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now, so. Yeah, no, this is, this is trouble. This is trouble, man. Trouble for
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the midterms. And you know, look,
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on the one hand we always think, I try to think my way through this
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stuff because you think to yourself, the worst thing that can happen is
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you lose both sides. You lose the House and you lose the Senate and then
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we're just gonna be dealing with two years of impeachment. But almost always from those
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ashes comes something else. Right. It's like we'll get through it. Whatever it is. The
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pendulum will swing too far. Yep. It'll go too far and then it'll come back.
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And it'll go too far and it'll come back. But
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at the same time all this is happening, some very interesting things happening
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on the other side. The Democratic Party is in this fissure of,
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of. Are they going to be socialists? Are they going to be like traditional Democrats?
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What are they? And you know, that can. I
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don't discount that impact on the midterms either. I agree.
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So look, there's. The old saying is like
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don't interrupt the other side when they're screwing up. And that's sort of what we're
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doing. Yeah, yeah. Let them keep digging. Yeah.
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You know, philosophically, I know you like these discussions and it
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got me thinking about this. The hit on the
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stock market and on, you know, the stock market is not the
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economy, but it is one aspect or it is one lens.
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So I was thinking about how our economy is
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getting whipsawed. So, like, for example, Monday the stock
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market went up. It went up something
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like 2%, you know, which is huge.
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I mean, it just went wild on Monday and, and then
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yesterday it crashed about the same amount. And I'm
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like, okay, that was mainly oil, the war, and, you know,
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people selling off gains. Yeah, the people selling off gains. But
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it got me thinking a little bit about, you know, because when I was a
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kid, I dabbled in the stock market as an academic thing.
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You know, I buy a few stocks and, and, you know,
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have a little fun just, just seeing how the market worked as a
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college kid. And I noticed, like, what is going
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on now? Because our government
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policies seem to drive the stock market to a far
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greater extent and to the overall economy to a far
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greater extent than they did, say 40 years ago.
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It's just like it's a completely different economic model
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now where, what, the president,
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of all people. We're not even supposed to have a strong
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executive under our Constitution, but we do
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now. We have this strong executive power that can
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issue orders or can create the executive state,
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the bureaucratic state, the swamp, if you will, can create
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regulation. And basically, we
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are tilting towards a command economy where
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that is just not what our founders had in mind at all.
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We had in mind a free market system where if
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people wanted to buy a certain kind of car, let's say
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gm, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Nissan, Honda,
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they would just make the kind of cars that people want to buy.
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But then we come along and we dictate, oh, no, it's got to have this
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airbag. It's got to have that camera. It's be. Got to. It's gotta be an
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ev. It's gotta, you know, and we're doing that in the aircraft
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area. We're doing that with home
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appliances, with plumbing, with
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electrical stuff. It's just, you know, and Trump's
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tried to undo some of that. But Steve, just overwhelmingly,
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when I see the economy being whipsawed one day it's up, the
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other day it's down in huge, dramatic fashion.
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It just wasn't like that. Well, you know, the bigger the government gets,
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the more impact it has on the economy. I mean, it's just. It's that simple.
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Yeah. And if the government. Now, on the one hand,
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it makes sense that if there is.
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I mean, look, the auto industry or the manufacturing
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industry boomed during World War II because the government needed to spend money to
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buy all the tanks and planes, and everybody converted, and that was awesome. So that's
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inevitable on certain things when there's war, because we do need to buy
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those things. And I guess it's still better than if the government owned the means
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of production. At least there's that. But the government has its
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tentacles and everything now, so the more regulatory
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reach the government has, the more impact that has on a private
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business. And everybody gripes about the oil industry
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charging too much or this or that or the other, taking advantage. I mean, look,
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guys, they're running a business, and if there's uncertainty about what
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tomorrow's regulations will be or tomorrow's supply of your product
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will be, your prices today are going to reflect that. Otherwise, you're not
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running a good business. So a good
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business sense requires a little bit of future analytics.
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I do criminal defense work, and every year I have these ups and downs
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because, look, criminal defense is tied to the entertainment industry. It just
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is. Everybody thinks, well, there's murders and I
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mean, there's always that. But almost. It's usually linked to
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people getting out and about and doing things. Which is why Covid killed the criminal
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defense industry. Because if you shut down entertainment, then you
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don't have a flow of. There's people not getting drunk, there's people
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not driving, people not getting in fights. I mean, really, it's. That's
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interesting. It's an interesting thing. I never thought of that. Wow. So, you know, that's
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why, you know, nobody really saw that coming. Yeah,
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but now I do. So, look, you pay attention to that stuff.
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But even then, we live in Columbus, Ohio. I know that when the students
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come back to Ohio State University, my phone
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tends to ring a little bit more because you've just got 80,000
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people descending on the city. It's more likely they're going to get in trouble. They're
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more likely they're going to need lawyers, and more likely, it rings more. But then
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if you throw into it. And I'm only bringing this up because I know my
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business, but this is true for every business in some capacity. But
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then what happened is Ohio State said, we're going to. You know what we're going
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to do, Norm? We're going to create a program for
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Ohio State students where we supply students lawyers,
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Sort of like a pseudo public defenders.
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Yeah, it's like part of their thing. They're going to have student lawyers, and we
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in the private sector are like, what the f is going on? Why would you
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do that? And immediately
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the calls it stop. It screws up the market. So the government
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gets involved, does something, screws up my market.
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And that's true of every business. Yeah, that's. I mean, there's an analog,
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you know, of some kind of some kind. Every business. Every business. So when the
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oil companies see, look, all right, we're in this war and they're going to close
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down the straits. So now we're going to have. We're going to have to up
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our production or we're not going to have the supplies.
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But we haven't upped the production because under Biden, he was saying we're going to
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go electric. So now we don't have the funds to up the production. We've got
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to accelerate that. So now we need to charge more so we can build the
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refinery. You know, it's like. I don't know that, but I'm guessing it's something like
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that. Yeah. Yeah. And the companies are having to market
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the electrics based on their own merits, which is what
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should have been going on all along, which is another thing Trump did. Trump is
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a sort of torpedoing. Yeah, pull the subsidies. Yeah, pull the
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subsidies. You want to sell EVs, that's fine.
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Sell them to people that really care about either the greenness issues
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or they think they're gonna save fuel costs or
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that they just like the power surge or whatever it is about the
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ev. Sell it on that basis. But don't sell it on the
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basis that, oh, you get to reduce your tax burden by
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buying this thing. Yeah, Subsidizing a product that people don't want.
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It doesn't work. That Keynesian crap doesn't work. It just. It doesn't.
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It distorts. It distorts the market until that's gone, and then
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everybody's left holding the bag. And then enter the
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corruption. Guess what, guys? We're going to start subsidizing
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EVs. Hey, Norm, I know that you were thinking about starting a battery
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business. Yeah. Right. So, you know, you're fine. We're going to give you this grant
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to go do that. So you get $20 million to open up the battery business.
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Exactly. And you run off and start doing that, and then. But then
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you realize, well, Nobody wants these EVs. So now the government has spent $20
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million giving that to you on a white elephant, and you maybe lined your
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pocket with a little bit of money, but there's no future in it, so
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you can't. It's like phone.
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I'm trying to think of the Best analogy, whenever the government tinkers in the market
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like this, there are aftershocks to it. The sliding door effect or whatever
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the term would be. It distorts everything. There's
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ripples to it that result in all sorts of
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problems. Which is why, you know, you would get the. In
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communism, you would get your grocery card and you're allowed
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to go get two dozen eggs this week, Norm. But you go into the store
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and guess what? There's no eggs. I mean, we're going to give you some apples
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because we're abundant on apples. But you can't have any eggs because we don't have
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any. Yeah. Because people are hoarding it because last time there weren't any. Yeah.
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And it's, it's just the kind of lunacy that happens when the government
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tries to fix it. Yeah. And you know, and Zoron, you know,
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listen up. Right, Sorry. Yeah. No, I mean,
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that kind of leads us into another big thing that happened
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last week. There were the Supreme Court
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decisions and Graham Platner melting down. Lots of things
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happened, but one of the major things was this
24:02
wave of democratic socialist candidates that
24:06
won their primaries. And you know, and
24:10
it looks like Mayor Mamdani
24:13
Zoran, that he is somehow right now,
24:17
he's, he's like the kingmaker. He's like the, he has
24:20
this magic Midas touch that Trump has with the
24:24
Republican primaries. It seems like Mamdani is
24:27
zipping around the country anointing certain candidates
24:31
and there is this populist feel that's
24:35
going on on the extreme left that,
24:39
oh yeah, we can.
24:43
Like people are coming out of their slumber and realizing, you know,
24:47
if enough of us want free bus passes
24:51
and government run grocery stores and free
24:55
health care and free childcare and
24:59
reduced cost apartments and free
25:03
cell phones and free this and free that, we can just vote those
25:07
kinds of candidates in and then somehow they're going to
25:11
wave a magic wand and make trillionaires like
25:14
Elon Musk pay for it all. They have this fantasy
25:19
that this is possible. And it's super
25:22
scary to me because it wasn't
25:26
that long ago that all of these European
25:31
socialist republics behind the Iron Curtain,
25:35
they all cratered because the system doesn't work. Cuba
25:39
just had an island wide blackout because
25:42
it didn't work there. Venezuela is coming back because
25:46
it didn't work. Norm. That's only because we created sanctions. The United States
25:50
is at fault for making her. For the failures of the socialist
25:53
communist regimes. Right, right, right. As if.
25:57
Yeah. I mean, it's just so. Look, it's never worked. It's funny because I had
26:01
somebody working for me who was younger at one point, and
26:05
this individual, we got in this discussion about socialism,
26:09
and this individual was sort of perplexed, like he was
26:13
talking to his spouse. And he finally just said,
26:17
yeah, I just told my spouse that,
26:20
Steve, he grew up in a different era
26:24
where he saw those Soviets and the Russians and whatever. And
26:28
it got me thinking. It's like, all right, are we really jaded by the era
26:32
we grow? And I thought, no. The only thing different is
26:36
that I studied the history and I lived it. So I read it
26:39
in the news every day. Not propaganda, but the history.
26:44
And I studied the history, I learned the history, I learned
26:48
what happened. I read Animal Farm. And it was taught to me in a way
26:51
that made sense. Right. I don't think they're being taught
26:54
this. So we're now a generation or two removed from
26:58
the horrific impact of these communist revolutions
27:02
and socialist systems. They don't work. Yeah, they don't work.
27:06
I mean, the current example that we have kind
27:10
of made into a cartoon, but it's really horrible, is North
27:13
Korea. They have, like a pure form, maybe the
27:17
purest form right now of socialism anywhere in
27:21
the world is in North Korea. And
27:24
the reason. And people will look at China and go, well, now they're a
27:28
socialist communist country. Well, they're really a hybrid.
27:32
Like, they picked up on many
27:36
international market
27:41
concepts, but then at home, they don't
27:44
practice that. But within the world economy,
27:48
they are as marketplace as
27:51
capitalist as any possible
27:55
entity could be. Yeah, they're almost fascist. Yeah, that's
27:58
right. Yeah, they're almost fascist. And 51%, at a
28:02
minimum of the stock is held
28:05
by the Communist Party. Yeah. So they're funding their
28:10
socialism with dollars earned on the world market. That's right, yeah.
28:14
Generally from the U.S. but if you look at. So in a
28:18
way, they have a rising middle class, and that'll be a problem for
28:22
them as that continues to happen. And it has been. They
28:25
have riots in communist China, and of course,
28:29
we don't get good coverage of it because they're a closed society. But
28:33
in North Korea, you know, you have mass starvation,
28:37
you have this puppet, you have this
28:41
guy at the top, this family,
28:44
hereditary
28:47
dictatorship. And it is just. It's
28:50
pure socialism there. And everybody
28:54
is treated identically. The only people who have any
28:58
sort of benefits at all is you have to be in the military
29:02
because they're going to feed their soldiers. They want them to be able to
29:05
function. But everybody else, hey, you're
29:09
Nothing. Yeah. And this is what happens. This is what
29:12
happens. You hear these Europeans, you hear the people who
29:16
have immigrated here from these countries who had
29:20
socialist, communist histories, they look at
29:23
us like, what in the heck do you guys think you're doing?
29:27
Look what happened. Why do you think I'm here? All of this sounds
29:31
exactly like what we were told 50 years ago. Yeah.
29:34
Utopia, right? You know, just do this equality. Everybody's the
29:38
same. You know, it's, it's such crap. But. Well, you, you mentioned
29:42
the U.S. senate in the midterms, so a
29:46
couple things there. Mitch McConnell, depending on what
29:49
journalist you're listening to, Laura Loomer says he's
29:53
brain dead, but then, you know,
29:57
the head of the Senate says He had
30:01
a 20 minute conversation with McConnell yesterday.
30:05
Yeah, what is it? It's like, who knows anymore? So what's going on? Some people
30:08
think that this is. That there's some
30:11
fabrication going on here about him still being
30:15
with it enough to have a conversation. Because if
30:19
he were to leave office now, his
30:22
replacement gets to be appointed by the Democratic governor of
30:26
Kentucky. So Mitch has to hang on till
30:29
August. We're praying for you, Mitch. Or else, you
30:33
know, we're going to get a Democrat to replace him in the Senate.
30:37
And he is a bit of a rhino, but on basic issues, he still
30:41
votes Republican. Yeah, he's not going to totally torpedo the agenda, although
30:44
he's slightly torpedoed. And Platner,
30:48
this Graham Platner guy running against Susan Collins
30:52
in Maine to replace a Republican in Maine with this
30:56
socialist guy, I would say a national
31:00
Socialist, because he's got a. He's got an SS tattoo on
31:04
him. But at any rate, he, he was accused, I
31:07
guess, a couple of days ago on
31:11
ABC News with this
31:15
very deep interview with a
31:19
victim, a lady who claims to have been
31:22
raped by him. And apparently she is considered
31:26
credible because her philosophical political
31:30
bent is identical to his. She's a socialist also,
31:34
and part of that same movement.
31:38
And she says, hey, the guy raped me. So unlike
31:42
the Republican lady who worked for the Heritage foundation that accused
31:46
him of the same thing. Now, it seems that Democrats are giving
31:49
some credence to these allegations, or at least they're
31:53
uncomfortable enough where he's got to get out
31:56
by July 13th or else he is the
32:00
candidate and he has not, as of this morning, driving into
32:04
our show, Steve, I have not heard that he's pulled out.
32:07
He is trying to maintain some pressure to
32:11
be able to anoint his replacement.
32:15
Like he wants to pick who replaces him.
32:18
And they're Saying you have no role. And he's saying,
32:22
well, yeah, actually, I don't have to get out.
32:26
Yeah, I mean, look, this guy, I think eventually he's going to have to drop
32:29
out. But maybe not. Maybe it's too late. Not legally. No, no, no, I know.
32:33
I meant, I meant they can't make him. They can't make him drop out. Right.
32:35
He's the nominee and that's what it is. Yeah. That's what you get for back
32:39
of the wrong horse. I mean, it wasn't even that. It was a mistake. It
32:42
was 70% of the votes and most of this stuff had already
32:46
emerged. It had already been released. I mean, it was a bad guy. It was
32:49
known before the vote. So, look, you get what you vote for.
32:54
It's just so insane to me
32:57
how it's always the agenda
33:02
and the personal issues like this only matter to
33:06
that side if it helps the agenda.
33:10
If it doesn't help the agenda, they ignore it. So when Biden was. I think
33:13
one of the most credible accusations I've ever heard in one of these
33:17
scenarios was the Biden accusation. I forget her name, but she
33:20
was like the young. Oh, yeah, right. Secretary or something. Secretary or
33:24
something. And she had a really credible accusation. And it was rug
33:28
swept. And I remember just thinking, compared
33:31
to what happened with Kavanaugh and compared to what happened with
33:35
Clarence Thompson, it's like this one was credible. Yeah, I mean, really
33:39
credible. And nothing crickets. You know,
33:43
in the old days, and there's examples on both sides,
33:46
like Al Franken did this
33:50
pantomime where he acted like he was going to grab the breasts of a
33:53
sleeping journalist or something. He was on a plane flight
33:57
and he's mugging it because he's a former Saturday Night Live comedian,
34:01
right? So he's going to act like, oh, I'm going to grab her
34:04
hooters. And he hovered his hands above her breasts like, hey, look
34:08
at this. Isn't this funny? Well, they made him resign,
34:12
right, from the US Senate over that. And on the
34:16
Republican side, there was a guy, I forget his name.
34:20
The worst thing he was accused of was that he kissed a
34:23
woman against her will. Like she didn't give him permission for a
34:27
lip on lip kiss and he kissed her. And when
34:31
that came out that he had actually had human contact with
34:34
somebody's lips without her permission slip, he
34:38
resigned. So Republican or Democrat, it used to be,
34:41
hey man, you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, the sexual cookie
34:45
jar, and you're gone. Well, then, so that, that was
34:49
the Thing that was the trend. And then comes Clarence Thomas.
34:53
Yeah. You know, and he's like, look, I'm not backing down. No.
34:56
He goes, I'm gonna stand. This is all made up. I'm gonna stand and I'm
35:00
gonna rise or fall here. I don't care. I'm not backing down. This, It's a
35:03
high tech lynching for uppity blacks is what he said. And then it
35:06
was. And then along comes Bill Clinton
35:11
and the other side. Then the Dems are saying, well, why would you even ask?
35:15
Yeah. National Organization of Women was nowhere to be found.
35:19
Paula Jones had a rock solid. Jennifer Flowers.
35:23
Paula Jones. There was a third one too. I can't remember. Oh, and hers was
35:26
rape. The third one. Yeah. And not to mention Monica Braddock. Wasn't her name
35:29
Braddock, maybe. And not to mention Monica Lewinsky who was just
35:33
raked. Yeah. You know, it just. The whole thing is
35:37
I'm not Tammy Wynette. Standing by my man. Yeah. I mean, quote
35:41
Hillary. It's just so. The
35:44
hypocrisy is just so thick. And now I
35:48
think we've got to a state where it just doesn't matter. People don't care. Yeah.
35:51
Unless of course, it's Trump. Yeah. And then they try. But I still think the
35:54
voters don't care. We've all become just sort of immune to it. Yeah. Like. All
35:57
right. In order to it. Yeah, you're right. I think people are just
36:01
like. And I think also part of it is that our media
36:05
is not trusted. So people aren't even sure what's factual. Well, I
36:08
think that's it. Right. So is this just another one of these political prosecutions
36:12
or political attacks? And you know what? It's done, and here's the real
36:16
damage. What it's done is it has directly impacted the
36:20
veracity of true victims. Yes, it has. And this is the
36:24
consequence for using victimhood like this as a
36:27
weapon. When a true victim comes along, we're all
36:31
thinking like, come on again, I wonder
36:35
what this one, really? And it's not fair, but it's
36:39
happened naturally as a result of these trumped
36:42
up accusations against people that don't really have a whole lot of merit. And
36:46
you just think, all right, roll your eyes. Another one from 30 years ago. Great.
36:50
Well, what if it's true? The problem is we don't know anymore because it's been
36:53
spun and pitched and crammed down our throats.
36:57
Well, there were a slew of Supreme Court
37:01
decisions as they ended the term last week,
37:06
one of which is just. I
37:10
Think tragic for the country. And that was this
37:13
14th amendment decision that
37:16
conferred. Unfortunately, they didn't say it was because
37:20
Trump didn't follow the right process and he used an executive order.
37:24
They actually, if you read Thomas and
37:27
Alito's
37:31
dissents, the majority actually
37:34
based their decision on an interpretation of the
37:38
14th Amendment that goes against the
37:42
historical legislative
37:45
intent behind the construction of that amendment.
37:49
Where the proponents of the amendment actually
37:52
said on the congressional record things like
37:57
we are not granting citizenship to those in the country
38:01
illegally or to the descendants of things
38:05
like diplomats or foreign soldiers on our
38:08
soil, you know, and they carved out those exceptions.
38:13
So if it just says illegally in the country.
38:17
Right. In their intent behind the amendment.
38:20
So what was the amendment for? It was to make
38:24
absolutely sure
38:27
constitutionally that the progeny of
38:30
slaves would be forevermore considered US
38:33
Citizens. And there's no dispute about that. That was. That was the intent. That was
38:37
the intent. And they have decided now that
38:42
to be crude. If you drop a baby in the United States,
38:46
that baby is a US Citizen.
38:51
I mean, it is a complete misreading. I think it's a
38:55
terrible decision. It's a terrible decision. It's a terrible decision. When you read it,
38:59
we'll see what happens because there are other measures that the government can take
39:03
and will. It's like all these things have,
39:07
have their impact. But
39:11
I think we're going to start seeing, I think one, I forget
39:15
what state it was. They're just going to stop giving
39:19
any sort of green cards or anybody who's
39:23
pregnant. Right. So you don't come in. Right. So it's like there's still ways
39:27
to control it. It's a terrible decision. Congress
39:30
can act, I think, and fix it on some level. I think so, yeah.
39:34
Okay. Yeah. There's a. That is the big, wide
39:38
ranging debate right now is
39:41
so you got senators like Mike Lee from.
39:46
I think he's from Utah. Yeah. But Mike Lee, who is a
39:50
constitutional scholar himself, has said that
39:54
he doesn't think short of a constitutional amendment that this decision
39:57
can be fixed. But then there's. You can't change a decision, but
40:01
you can put other measures in place. No, fix the decision. But the others
40:05
have said there is legislation that can be. Well, you could.
40:09
I think the government can legislate that. If you're coming into the country
40:12
solely to give birth and you're not allowed in the country, that's not contrary
40:16
to this. Yeah. And that's already a criminal.
40:20
And you can start enforcing that. So that's what I mean by Congress can Do
40:23
things to sort of dance around it. I agree with the constitutional
40:27
scholar that Congress can't change the decision
40:31
or the interpretation of the decision. It's time to. It is
40:35
time for an amendment. And look, I don't care who you are, I've
40:38
not heard a valid argument in favor of this.
40:42
When you hear about, what do they call it?
40:46
Tourism, Birth tourism or whatever it is. Yeah, it's a thing. I don't
40:50
see a valid argument in favor of that. I just don't. I've not heard
40:53
one. So then you would always have to ask, is it just because
40:57
you disagree with Trump? Is it because, like, what's the agenda? If you're cool with
41:01
this. Right. Like, what is the agenda?
41:05
I can't think of a good one. I mean, it has to be about votes.
41:08
Yeah, like, I mean, like, there is no other credible.
41:12
Like, like when you try to reason out who would be in favor and
41:16
why, it's got to be, well, you hate the country. And a lot of
41:20
these democratic socialists say it out loud. I mean, on 4th of July, we've got
41:25
Islamists. Yeah, the one on the View that says, when I go
41:29
into a town and they're flying the American flag, I feel oppressed.
41:33
It's like she's African American, says
41:37
it, cashing her million dollars. I don't know what she's making, but I'm guessing it's
41:40
a paltry or it's a huge sum. It's not a poultry sum. Well, here in
41:43
Columbus, we had Jesse Owens, who ran under
41:47
the aegis of the American flag in front of Adolf Hitler
41:50
and changed the world. And changed the world. It's like, lady,
41:54
the American flag belongs to African Americans
41:58
as much or more so than anybody else. It just is.
42:02
What are you talking about? So you're right, there are people who
42:06
hate this country. They hate the country. So that's one reason you just hate the
42:08
country. You want to see it destroyed. And I pray for you. And I'll long
42:12
be dead, and it's a shame, but I pray for those
42:16
who inherit this insanity. Maybe you've got an
42:19
agenda for power, so you're going to just bring in people and get votes. Maybe
42:23
you're just a disruptionist, I don't know, but there's not a good argument that I
42:27
have heard in favor of just opening up the borders and letting illegals come
42:30
in and give birth to their kin so then they can be
42:34
citizens, take over the country. Or it's what the Islamist agenda is.
42:38
I mean, that's like, they say they're going to win the world that way. Or,
42:41
Steve, this is going to get played out under election law.
42:45
They say that we're well on the way to as many as
42:48
1 million Chinese
42:52
babies that were born Chicom babies that were born in
42:56
the US the parents went back home. So now they're
43:00
back in wherever there's sleeper cells out there. Right. I mean, they
43:03
come in and they take over the country with votes. Well, they're
43:06
absentee voters in a way. So the
43:10
thing is, if an American citizen
43:15
moves, like they're a dual citizen and they move back to,
43:19
say, communist China and they say, well, I was born in
43:22
Orange County, California, when my mom and dad were there at
43:26
Disney World or whatever Disneyland, can I. Or
43:29
Anaheim, can I apply to vote
43:33
in Orange county? Then from Guangdong Province
43:38
or Sichuan province, wherever they live in China and
43:42
forevermore. So who's cool with this? I can't get it. I can't get my
43:46
head around it. I mean, it's just you get enough people
43:50
born in a particular county that claim that they can vote
43:53
there and don't even live there. They're just like a
43:57
sailor on an aircraft carrier who says, well, well, I can't get home to vote,
44:01
so I'm going to vote absentee. Are you telling me these people can
44:05
elect a county commissioner in Orange County, California,
44:08
from Sichuan Province, and they don't even live here? So look, if somebody
44:12
is determined and calculated, you could take
44:16
over a local, you could take absolutely the state. You
44:20
could slowly do that. You could do that. Yeah. It'll take 50 years, but you
44:23
could do it. Well, I have, I've read an article in
44:27
Buffalo, New York, that enough
44:30
native, if you will, or residential, I don't know what the
44:34
word American born voters
44:38
have sat on their hands and slowly the majority
44:41
of the village city council in Buffalo,
44:45
including the mayor, now are Somalis first.
44:49
Gentlemen, they're running the city of Buffalo,
44:52
New York. And you're like, and what do you think they want to do with
44:55
it? So on the
44:58
250th, they did not raise the American flag at city
45:02
Hall. No. They canceled the fireworks, raised
45:06
the Somali flag, and of course the bandits came
45:10
in and took it down. I say bandits, right. The rebels
45:13
took down our country's flag. I mean, look, anybody's
45:17
looking at this and thinking, this is cool. It's not. It's not. So our own
45:21
governor here in Ohio, when the other Supreme Court decision
45:25
that was pretty epic is they reaffirmed
45:28
basically what, what Biden did and Trump undid
45:32
This temporary protective status visa
45:36
that Biden gave to, I don't know,
45:41
some hundreds of thousands of Haitians and
45:45
basically something like 50,000 of them are living in
45:49
Springfield or used to or currently figuring out what to
45:52
do. And our own governor came out against that decision,
45:56
against Trump's policy and against the Supreme Court decision, said it
46:00
was a terrible decision, but it's like, wait a minute.
46:03
The only reason TPS was given to these Haitians. Well, the
46:07
Supreme Court upheld Trump's action. They upheld Trump's
46:11
action, withdrawing Biden's action. Well,
46:15
yes, but basically they didn't say Biden did anything wrong,
46:19
which there's an argument to be made that he did because that was. No, this
46:23
is just who has a lever of power to change it. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
46:26
yeah. And they basically said, well, you know, Biden did this
46:29
by executive order and Trump can undo it by executive order. Yeah. That
46:33
it is a power of. This is the problem with executive orders. Right. So,
46:37
so with a stroke of his pen there, basically going to
46:40
deport, you know, huge numbers of Haitians,
46:44
I anticipate is what's going to happen. They're going to. They better. They're going to
46:47
try and do it fast. They're going to try. But ones who have babies,
46:52
it's not like you're going to take a mother and send her back to
46:55
Haiti and leave her six month old in a hospital.
46:59
I imagine a lot of men are getting lucky right about now,
47:03
so. Yes, so. So they better get it done in eight and a
47:07
half months or so. A lot of preemies. But the thing
47:11
is about that decision is that I can't believe our
47:14
governor doesn't see the issue there because,
47:18
yes, they are doing jobs and they are contributing to the
47:21
economy. And they say many Somalis, many Haitians
47:25
are actually keeping our health care system going because they do
47:29
so much, if you will, legitimate
47:33
home medical monitoring and things. I'm
47:36
not talking about the fraudulent stuff. I'm talking about like actually working for an
47:40
insurance company as some kind of nurse,
47:44
not a real nurse, but a medical technician,
47:48
let's say. And apparently many of them do that. And they say, well, if
47:52
they all go home, there'll be a vacuum. Well,
47:56
I think that vacuum is going to get filled. I mean,
48:00
I think American young people will take those jobs.
48:04
Maybe you'll have to pay them more. This is the most arrogant,
48:09
elitist argument around. Right, right. Who's going to clean
48:13
my house? Exactly right. I hear these people say this out loud, like, who's
48:17
going to cut Your grass and clean your house or do all these. I'm thinking
48:20
to myself, well, maybe you,
48:24
you should do it right? Or maybe you need to pay more. Maybe you should
48:27
pay more use. And aren't these people, is that all they're worth
48:31
to you is your gardener and your cleaning ladies?
48:34
So one. Or do they have some other human value that you're
48:38
championing other than it gives you some economic benefit that they can
48:42
be. Or essentially low paid? That's right.
48:45
Indentured. Perpetual. Perpetual indentured servant. And this is where
48:49
the radical left and the predatory
48:55
big business, the big ag, if you will,
48:59
really are joined at the hip. Because
49:04
this is what drove Cesar Chavez, the United Farm
49:07
Worker union chief crazy, is he wanted better
49:11
pay for his American citizen and green card
49:15
legitimately. You know, immigrant seasonal workers
49:19
coming in from maybe Mexico. He wanted them to get paid real
49:22
wages. And he was against unfettered immigration.
49:27
The term wetback was because
49:30
illegals were swimming across the Rio Grande river
49:34
and it was United Farm Worker Democrat
49:38
union people who were guarding the border, keeping
49:41
illegals out because they were undercutting
49:45
farm worker rate wages in California. That was,
49:50
that went against the interests of big ag who,
49:54
like you say, want to pay slavery wages to these people
49:57
or these roofing companies where they're charging
50:01
Americans 20 grand for a new roof and they're probably
50:04
paying, you know, 50 bucks a day for the
50:08
labor of some Mexican guy who's living in a hut
50:12
somewhere or a tent, working his tail off. Working his tail off. Right. And it's
50:16
slavery. It's economic slavery. So, you know, I,
50:21
it's just so arrogant and elitist when I hear this. Elitist.
50:25
And then that's setting aside, you know, the estimated 300,000
50:29
children that were lost that are probably being,
50:33
who knows, trafficked, and it's just so contrary to
50:37
what they're stated moral
50:40
superiority is all about. It's just flat out racist. Like, is that all these
50:44
people are to you? Exactly. Are these humans? That's right. I mean, are these.
50:48
It's like, come on. And then they would say, well, you don't like them either
50:51
because you're not gonna let them in the country to work for us. It's just,
50:54
it's the same. I don't want them coming in wholesale without
50:58
being checked for background crime and terrorism.
51:01
That's right. That's what people want. And you know,
51:07
some funny things have also happened, Steve, that I just think are,
51:10
you know, this whole World cup debacle where.
51:15
So if I see a guy throw a
51:19
red card on America's top soccer player.
51:23
I have every right to pick up the phone and call the head of FIFA
51:26
and say, hey, this is Norm Murdoch calling from
51:30
Johnstown, Ohio, and I want to bitch about that guy. So
51:34
that's what Trump did. He didn't change the outcome
51:38
unless FIFA decided on their own to change it.
51:41
Well, and you know, the appearance, it's always the appearance of this. It's the appearance.
51:45
Yeah. It's like, what leverage did he employ to try to get them to change?
51:48
Now, I understand that the change was already in the works. That's right.
51:52
Look, I don't know anything about soccer. I didn't even watch it. I don't care.
51:54
Me neither. I could care less. But the article I read said, look, it was
51:58
sort of happening anyway, that it was agreed that this was bad. And,
52:01
you know, Trump put his finger on the scale and pushed. I don't know, I
52:05
don't know the weight of his finger. I don't know how much it changed anything.
52:08
I don't care. And I'm sure other countries would do the same thing in the
52:11
similar situation. You don't think they have and you don't, you don't think the president
52:14
of other countries have ever picked up the phone and said, how
52:18
dare you? I mean, now if Trump said, you better fix this
52:22
or else I'm not going to fund your blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
52:25
I don't think that's what he said, though. But Steve, so the funny part
52:29
about this story, to me is, okay, the U.S. when
52:33
we finally did play Belgium, again, we
52:36
lost four to one. Belgium won, you know, a couple days ago.
52:41
But the funny part is the people suffering from Trump
52:45
derangement syndrome, they immediately flipped from cheering
52:49
for the U.S. team. There were whole bars in New York City
52:53
where they're, they became Belgian fans overnight. And you're
52:56
just like, these people, like, really deluded. They're
53:00
deluded, really, because Trump stepped in and as a fan
53:04
and said, hey, that's unfair. Like, oh, now that
53:08
Trump is cheering on the American team, I can't cheer them on.
53:11
Yeah, yeah, just listen, guys, if you got that much,
53:15
Trump's in their kitchen permanently. I think it's, it's like that's a permanent
53:19
kitchen remodel. So, Steve, I gotta ask you, now, this is kind of
53:22
serious, but as an attorney, you probably have been through
53:26
this a hundred times, maybe 500 times. This
53:30
pre trial hearing that they're having for this Robinson guy.
53:34
That, that, that I'm just, I'm gonna go out
53:37
on A limb because he told his lover that, yes, I am the
53:41
guy who killed Charlie Kirk. Yeah, you got Twigs and Robinson, right? So,
53:45
I mean, look, there's conspiracy theories out there and you've
53:49
got the Tucker Carlson's, the Candace Owens, others. Now I even
53:53
have, like, friends at a dinner party who are asking me, you don't think that
53:56
he actually did it, do you? Oh, my God, yeah. My answer is always, well,
53:59
we'll see what the evidence is, but let's talk procedure.
54:03
This is not a trial, it's a pretrial. This is a preliminary hearing. Preliminary
54:06
hearing. Excuse me? And a preliminary hearing is designed to show the. Or
54:10
designed to present to the court enough evidence to
54:13
establish something called probable cause, that Robinson
54:17
has convicted the crime. In other words, it's sort of a prophylactic measure.
54:21
And if you can think of old Rooster Cogburn days when the first scene of
54:25
True Grit, he brings in this guy and the guy's charged, I think that's a
54:28
preliminary hearing. And what they're saying is, is there enough probable cause to hold this
54:31
guy while we prosecute? And lots of states still have
54:35
these preliminary hearings. Ohio, we have a procedure for it in Ohio, but it's rarely.
54:39
It's not used very often. Are you allowed to waive that? My
54:42
understanding is a lot of defense attorneys just waive that.
54:46
Well, in Ohio, we waive it. Sometimes. In other states you don't,
54:50
because they actually have teeth. You can win a preliminary hearing and it matters.
54:54
In Ohio, not so much. I've won preliminary hearings and then the prosecutor goes and
54:57
indicts it with a grand jury. But all this is a show of evidence by
55:01
the prosecutor that they have sufficient facts, evidence and law
55:05
to go forward and prove their case to a jury. May I ask. May I
55:09
ask you interject just real quick? Because I think the thing that's
55:12
driving some of the commentators out of their minds is that the
55:16
defense is objecting to every
55:19
microscopic point during this preliminary hearing
55:23
as if it was a trial. What is the game
55:27
plan there? What possible defense
55:30
tactic? Where's the payoff? Possible? Well,
55:34
I don't know the law out there, but it could well be.
55:38
It's Utah. It could well be that if they win the preliminary hearing, they win
55:42
the case. So they're probably trying to keep as much out as they
55:46
can, keep much evidence out of the hearing as they can.
55:49
So they can make an argument that the state hasn't proven it.
55:53
So it may matter to them on that level. It might just be a show.
55:57
Okay, it might be See, there's
56:01
a strategy. Let's assume that there's sufficient
56:05
evidence to go forward, and there is. So the jury pool, we don't know who
56:08
it is yet. They're all watching. People are watching, right? Media's watching,
56:12
public is watching. So that PR thing, PR may matter. Kind of important, it may
56:16
matter, but you object too much and you look like you're obstructionist. You don't object.
56:20
So it's a dance that we all engage in.
56:23
But there's a school of thought here that if you're going to go try the
56:26
case, let's say you already are, starting with
56:30
the presupposition that there's sufficient evidence to establish
56:33
probable cause that your client Robinson committed the murder, meaning there's
56:37
enough to go forward and try him. There's a school of thought that
56:41
would say we should probably get as much information here as we can.
56:45
We should probably hear these witnesses testify now so we can go to
56:49
school on it and deal with it later when it really matters. So, you know,
56:53
I'm sure there's test out some objections. Well, not test the objections. It's
56:57
a reason not to try to keep stuff out. You would want to hear more
57:00
because you want to know what you're up against when you get there. Now with
57:03
open discovery and the investigative process that I'm sure has
57:07
happened, they probably know everything anyway. But don't discount the value of hearing a witness
57:10
testify and hear what it sounds like and hear him put it all together. And
57:14
from what I understand, there's plenty of evidence here. Oh, yeah. You
57:18
know, so this. I was thinking about this the other day, driving or
57:21
yesterday, driving. You know, there's a conspiracy
57:25
theory that Robinson, it was a patsy.
57:29
This is what Candace Owens said. He's a patsy. And it's really the Israelis or
57:32
it's the Egyptians or something. She even accused Charlie's wife,
57:36
his wife, in Turning Point USA for being part of the conspiracy because they wanted
57:40
to take over his organization and do all these things. And look, she can say
57:43
whatever she wants. I don't care. So there's that going
57:46
on. And I started to think about it. It's like,
57:51
what makes a conspiracy theory? And it's really that kind of
57:55
stuff. But what really, like I started to think, what's. How are we going to
57:58
look at this after he's convicted in 30 years or 50 years or like the
58:01
Kennedy assassination? And was that 60 years now or 50 some years now,
58:05
or the Manson case or any of these? O.J. but, you know, everybody
58:08
says that Oswald didn't act alone. And there's all these problems with it. And that
58:12
may well be true, but the difference in that case,
58:15
there's so many differences and it just. The way it plays out,
58:19
like there hasn't been a Jack Ruby yet to come along and kill
58:23
Robinson. Right. So you know that like, that really threw a stink on it.
58:26
Yes, it did. And it still does to me up here. Now, on the other
58:30
hand, you've got things that are weird about this case. Yeah. The text
58:33
exchange between Robinson and Twigs, his furry partner, whatever
58:37
they are. Yeah. Is odd. It's a really weird conversation. It's really
58:41
stiff, sort of formal. It doesn't make sense. And
58:44
it could be that that's just how they communicated and they're both a little bit
58:47
weird. Anyway, it could be that it's manufactured, I don't know. But then
58:51
you have to look at the other evidence and figure out what it is. I
58:53
know there's this accusation that somehow he dismantled his gun
58:57
on the roof and walked away and then put it back together. I don't know
59:01
any of this stuff. There's always going to be some questions.
59:05
That's what evidence and trial is for. So we'll see. My personal
59:09
opinion is they probably got the right guy. I don't know. It also
59:13
could well be true that he and his group, there are others who also
59:16
wanted him to do it and that stuff may or may not come out. Oh,
59:20
yeah. I don't know. But yeah,
59:23
clearly there's. Clearly there's evidence that this guy
59:27
did it. That's all I can say. Yeah. And it's being presented in real time
59:30
right now. I mean, they have video of him climbing down
59:34
off the roof. Yeah. And he's confessed to his parents. Firing
59:37
position. You know, he said things to his parents. He confessed. I mean, so look,
59:40
there's. Yeah, it's pretty overwhelming. I mean,
59:44
that's why I'm not too worried about getting
59:48
sued by him to say that, yeah, he did it. I mean,
59:52
look, whether he did or didn't do it, I don't know. The question is, can
59:54
they prove it? And it looks like they're. So far, there's plenty of evidence to
59:57
establish probable cause that Robinson committed the
1:00:01
crime such that he can be tried. Yeah. If I was Candace
1:00:05
Owens looking at the precedent with Alex
1:00:09
Jones, I'd be real careful about libeling
1:00:13
people who had nothing to do with this. Yeah, her attack on
1:00:18
Erica Kirk is crazy. It's a little off putting, dude.
1:00:21
Yeah. You know, I mean, considering Alex Jones lost his
1:00:25
entire infowars you know, but
1:00:29
it's politically different, you know, So I think Candace will get some protection right now
1:00:32
because she's taken a position against Trump, she's taken a position against the Republican Party.
1:00:36
She's taken a position against all. Like it's that sort of split off faction that
1:00:40
almost agrees with the left on a lot of things. It sort of is. So
1:00:43
I don't know what. So who knows? I think she's over her
1:00:47
skis and she's clearly selling subscriptions and
1:00:50
podcasts, so good for her. Well, winners and
1:00:53
losers, sure. So I got to start off
1:00:57
with the negative so I can end on a positive.
1:01:01
So here in Ohio, people, I think this
1:01:04
has gone national in a few areas
1:01:09
of the country have heard about this case. There's a county,
1:01:13
a rural county, Vinton county, where
1:01:16
it's been reported, the Ohio attorney general
1:01:21
has said that he's never seen in all of the child abuse
1:01:25
cases anything as horrific as these. Sixteen
1:01:28
children that were kept in the dark, not allowed to
1:01:32
go to school, not ready, not. Man, did you see some of this? Oh,
1:01:35
Steve. I mean, four of them were close to death. They were
1:01:39
starving, living in dirt and living in darkness.
1:01:43
From 18, the 16 children, ranging from 18 years
1:01:47
old down to one year old. And these weren't just the
1:01:51
two parents. It was the two parents plus two
1:01:55
grandparents that were also all living together.
1:01:59
20 people and just
1:02:03
a horrible situation. And of course, you know, they're entitled to
1:02:07
be presumed to be innocent, but nobody can deny the
1:02:11
conditions that the children were in. I mean, that's real
1:02:14
regardless of who's guilty of putting them there. But
1:02:18
those are my losers. And my
1:02:22
winner would be Todd Blanche,
1:02:26
Acting Attorney General of the United States, who has
1:02:30
launched a series of lawsuits, civil rights lawsuits,
1:02:34
to enforce the Second Amendment rights of people in
1:02:38
states like California, Virginia and New York, where
1:02:42
they have passed laws following up on the
1:02:46
Supreme Court decisions like,
1:02:50
gosh, you always have them on the tip of your tongue. Is it Heller? Yeah.
1:02:53
DC versus Heller. And then Bruin. Yeah. New York Gun Club versus
1:02:57
Bruin. So California and Virginia, you know,
1:03:01
have, you know, have, have, have passed these laws that
1:03:05
look like they permit you to carry a gun, but basically say
1:03:09
that you have to get permission ahead of time
1:03:13
for anywhere that you're going to go, rather than making it
1:03:18
where you have the right to, you know, unless there's a sign
1:03:21
up, something that says this merchant doesn't
1:03:25
allow you in the door with a concealed gun, for example,
1:03:29
they're saying the California, Virginia laws are saying things like
1:03:34
oh, no. Even if there's no sign up, you can't go
1:03:37
into a store or any kind of public
1:03:41
accommodation unless you, under our state law,
1:03:45
have in advance gotten permission. We. Which is, in effect, a
1:03:49
ban on the Second Amendment. Well, it puts an undue burden on your exercise of
1:03:52
your rights. How do you bear arms if you need to get permission
1:03:56
everywhere you go? You know, it's.
1:04:00
So my winner is Todd Blanche. All right, well, fair enough. Right?
1:04:04
All right, my winner. I'll just read the quote.
1:04:09
I myself am an. Am an
1:04:12
immigrant. Screwed up the quote already, but a legal one. You wait in line.
1:04:16
You respect the country, you respect its laws, and then you become a citizen of
1:04:19
the United States of America. Ellipses.
1:04:23
So later on or before. Greatest effing country on the planet.
1:04:26
If you don't like America, please go back to where you effing came from.
1:04:31
Gene Simmons says at the July
1:04:34
4th weekend at the Milwaukee Summerfest. Wow. And he's been
1:04:38
outspoken about this. You know, it's like. And, you know, he. That's a tongue guy
1:04:41
from Kiss. That's right. That's right. Lead singer, bass player from kiss. Wow.
1:04:46
That's strong. Pretty. Where did he come? England?
1:04:49
No, no, his mother immigrated in. She was a Holocaust survivor.
1:04:53
Oh, my God. Wow. Yeah. From, like, Russia, maybe.
1:04:57
I can't remember his country of origin. I probably should know that, but he's an
1:05:00
immigrant. He came in as a child, learned a language. Wow.
1:05:03
And worked hard. Clearly. Clearly.
1:05:07
I mean, you could say KISS music is what it is, but, man, he built
1:05:10
an empire. And he did so without drugs. He did it without.
1:05:15
Very, very deliberate. Business guy. Oh, yeah, smart guy. Very smart.
1:05:20
Yeah. He's strong, man. Pretty incredible guy. And believes strongly in
1:05:23
this country and disagrees with this
1:05:27
notion that we should have open borders. Agrees with the notion
1:05:31
that we should have immigrants who want to come in and be Americans. Yeah. And
1:05:34
what else can you say, right? I mean, isn't that what we all want? I'm
1:05:37
ready to go to a Kiss. Ted Nugent. Go buy Kiss Alive, too.
1:05:42
So, anyway, that's my winner. I don't really have any losers this week. Why? Because
1:05:45
I was sick on the couch for the holidays? I guess I'm the loser. Well,
1:05:49
bacteria are the losers. Yeah. So look, that's your weekly dose of common
1:05:53
sense. I hope you enjoyed the show. Check us out. Coming at you right from
1:05:56
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