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Rob Reed and Brett Keane Discuss Bible - Godless Children who hate authority, Satan and Temptation, Islam is a Lying Evil Death Cult · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Day 4 Bible in a year. Thank you for joining and to my
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  Facebook friends this is not going to be a daily spam on the
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  Facebook so please don't unfriend me for those who aren't
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  that interested. But it I'm going to post it
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  hopefully if I remember every Sunday as if it's church because
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  many folks don't go to church. Cherie.
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  Hey, God bless you, sister. I haven't seen you in a long
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  time. It's really nice to see you and
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  I hope that you're well. What's going on?
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  It? This is a tough thing about
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  preambles before we start our daily reading on Day 4 of the of
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  the Bible in the year 2026 is that not necessarily a lot is
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  going on in my life on a day-to-day basis to share with
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  you, but that's what I'd like to do that the link is pinned to so
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  we can share together. Yesterday was an experiment and
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  I brought some people in after the reading in hopes that we
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  would be able to talk about just the reading.
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  And it turned out that, you know, it was nice that Bruce and
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  Brandon came in, we were talking about guitars and we were
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  talking about AI and we were talking about everything else
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  except the daily scripture. And I was struggling to try and
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  get us back in. So that is the focus.
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  We can have chats later on, but I I want to focus on the word.
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  And again, I have in the description, you can see the
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  Bible in a year that I'm using, which is by Nikki Gumbel and,
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  and Pippa, his wife, they, Nikki's Anglican pastor was, I
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  think he might be retired. This might be his whole thing
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  that he's doing right now. I'm not sure, probably 1 of many
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  things. But we used Nikki's Bible in the
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  year in 2023 and it was very effective, learned a lot.
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  It was good. He has an app that you can find
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  at the link down below if you want to do that on your cell
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  phone. But the idea and concept is for
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  people to read ahead. Look to the next day.
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  Be prepared in your own favorite version.
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  This year in 2023 I mixed at the beginning NIV and KJV and then
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  ended up just going exclusively NIV 'cause I was really just
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  doing KJV to throw a bone to my KJV only friends and my friends
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  that think the NIV is from Satan, which I don't.
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  I came to faith with the NIV. The NIV preaches Jesus manifest
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  in the flesh, God manifest in the flesh as Jesus, Emmanuel,
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  God with us, His death, burial and resurrection and everything
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  a growing boy and growing girl spiritually need in order to
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  have right relationship with God.
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  That's a basic gospel and the gospel is preached here, the
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  Christian gospel, which is that Jesus is the way, the truth and
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  the life. No one comes to the Father
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  except through him. And how we do it through him is
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  to accept the free gift offered by him through his shed blood on
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  the cross. But most importantly, because
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  our faith would be futile without it.
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  The resurrection, hard to believe.
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  It's crazy. It's a little bit crazy.
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  And if you talk to Rob Reed 25 years ago now, let's say 21
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  years ago at this time, yeah, I would.
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  I would agree it's nuts. But we will read today, starting
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  in Proverbs. I'm looking at it right now.
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  A wise man will hear an increased learning, and a man of
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  understanding will attain wise counsel and #7 one verse 7,
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  Proverbs one verse 7. The fear of the Lord is the
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  beginning of knowledge. But fools despise wisdom and
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  instruction. Fools.
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  Did you call me a fool, Rob? Yeah, even the Bible does.
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  If if you say that there's no God, that's somewhere else we're
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  going to read when we're in the Psalms.
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  I didn't write it. And you know, it's, it's a
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  little harsh for sure, but I bet contextually, 2000 years ago it
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  wouldn't have been so bad. But there's we live in a world
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  that is filled with problems and issues.
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  And at this time, wow, who knows what's going on?
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  And I'm not going to get political, but it's there's some
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  things that are happening that we're just in America in
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  particular, we're just like, let's go buy our daily life.
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  We could be on the precipice of, as scripture says, there's
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  rumors of wars and all these. I mean, we could be on the
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  precipice of something really big.
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  But we're who knows what tomorrow will bring.
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  So for me, you know, this is the church day.
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  This is the, the day most common where people go to church.
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  It's church Sunday. So I, I will post this on my
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  Facebook every Sunday. And but it is happening.
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  Just know it's happening every day.
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  And if you're curious, if you're a non believer, you, you are
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  curious, you're seeking, you've always wanted to read the Bible
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  in full but never thought you'd get a chance.
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  Now's the time and you could catch up, use the app, go back
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  to my site 'cause it's on my YouTube channel, which is
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  basically youtube.com/rob Reed Music or Rob Reed Esquire
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  together. I think we'll get you there.
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  And the plan is I, I was able to already do it.
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  So I can look upon it already having been done once before in
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  2023, that hopefully I'll have the steadfastness, the
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  perseverance to do it once more. And to also introduce to you as
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  I go along, 'cause this is the way God is bringing me back to
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  His word on a daily basis and, and to likely produce music this
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  year in His name. And there's a lot of good stuff
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  happening there's. I'm been working on music too
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  for His glory and and I hope to get a whole bunch of songs out
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  this year that with the help of things that I've never used
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  before, like AI, as we've talked before, I'm finding that it
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  isn't a very great tool to assist with melody, to assist
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  with concept. So it'll be a fun year, I'm
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  sure. I see.
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  I see you, Brett. And, and maybe if, if you want,
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  I'll bring you up. Brett, how you doing man?
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  I'm doing all right, sorry I had to pop out last time.
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  Unfortunately my wife told me we had an emergency.
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  We're good now though. OK, good.
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  I, I don't like to hear emergencies, but I'm glad that
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  you're doing all right. Cherry, Jake is an Amen.
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  Are you interested at all? Because Brett, I actually expect
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  that you would actually stay on topic.
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  I trust that I know that. Would you be interested in
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  reading along with me today? Well, I'd be more than happy to
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  listen to you, Reid. You've got a great voice.
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  Oh, you're kind because we're but I think you you have a great
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  voice too. Probably better than mine.
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  Oh, you're giving me too much love in there, Rob.
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  Well, do you want to join me with the discussion when after
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  I'm finished with the reading? Would that be OK?
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  I'd be more than happy to. I got to warn you though, I am.
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  I've got a little bit of a earache in my left ear and all
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  that, so it's kind of a little bit of pain there.
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  As long as it's not too drawn out, I'll be all right.
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  All right, well, I mean, you can leave at any time.
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  So what what I'll do is I'm going to put you backstage.
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  We're about to talk about, I'm going to read the scripture for
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  today, which shouldn't take longer than it usually takes,
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  about 15 minutes. And then let's try and focus.
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  You'll join in and I'll bring you up after a song interlude
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  for people to get their coffees, their refills, whatever.
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  And then we'll just talk about hopefully focused on the word
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  here and with grace, even in disagreement, if we happen to
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  have disagreement, we will, we will share and sharpen iron,
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  hopefully together. Is that OK?
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  Well, I I hope you realize that although I have my views about
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  different things, I'm not as possessive some of the other
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  users you've dealt with. I'm a live let die kind of guy.
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  Yeah, well, I, I actually, I've known of you for a long time.
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  For people who don't 'cause this is on my Facebook page too.
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  Brett was a, an atheist and a a die hard, I would say an anti
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  theist when I first came on to YouTube as a new believer.
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  But you were, I learned a lot from you, particularly from the
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  perspective, the atheist perspective, to try and listen
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  and to understand that perspective and not be angry and
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  hateful towards a person just 'cause you happen to disagree
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  with me. And then it turned out, and I
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  don't know where you stand right now, but it turned out that you,
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  you became a believer and are are you still you consider
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  yourself still there? Are you, are you in doubt or
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  where are you right now in your walk so people know?
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  I believe, however, I do have some different philosophical
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  positions that some other Christians may not agree with.
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  If you want me to throw them out real fast for you, I could.
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  Yeah, I'm just happy that you could confess with your mouth
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  that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that he was raised
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  from the dead on the third day for the forgiveness of sins.
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  Can you say that? Yes, I believe that Jesus Christ
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  died for the world sins and resurrected 3 days later and
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  ascended to his Father. That's a great confession from
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  someone who was an anti theist circa 2007 who I was first
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  introduced to, so praise God for that.
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  So let's well, what are some of the issues that you disagree
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  with which might be interesting for people to hear me?
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  It's not really that. It's not really a matter of
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  disagreement, it's just a matter of where I find myself
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  philosophically. Like, some Christians might find
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  it odd that I see myself as a Christian, but I also share a
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  lot of the definition of pantheism.
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  I believe that God not only exists outside the universe, but
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  is an extension of the universe, His very energy and essences all
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  around us, and I believe the Bible actually backs it up.
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  I'm also what is referred to as a compatiblist and
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  annihilationist. OK, well I know, I know.
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  Annihilationist compatiblist. What does that mean?
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  It means that I believe that God determines certain things to be
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  predestined, but yet He left the framework for free will for man
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  to have choice. I believe in free will for
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  choice. I I believe I that is seems to
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  be a a requirement of a loving relationship.
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  I would say that it would be 1 of reciprocity, right?
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  Right. And I, I believe that God did
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  have certain things set in stone that he wanted, that we're not
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  going to change. But whenever it came to human
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  choice, we have it. I think in a way, if you think
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  about it, Rob, I've listened to you, I think that in a lot of
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  ways you may go towards compatibilism as well.
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  Most Christians that I've listened to, even, you know,
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  some of the ones who are back and forth with each other, they
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  don't seem to agree with the annihilation.
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  They seem to like the Dante's Inferno version of hell.
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  Yeah, I don't know why anyone would celebrate that.
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  That's when I hear somebody professing Jesus and they're,
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  they're relishing and smiling at the fact that people would be
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  roasting in a fiery furnace forever, that somehow that that
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  is satisfactory or feels good. Yeah, I, I think most of us have
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  ever. I think that's sort of a
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  psychopathic personality, personally.
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  If it's, if it's the truth, I mean, we God will do and we
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  probably will agree on this. Whatever ends up happening in
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  the end, it's for God's good purposes.
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  And he has this plan that it's set in motion.
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  It's that the whole Bible is this love story between God and
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  his creation. But it'll all work out in the
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  end, and if God is all good and perfect, then we have no choice
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  to just accept that to some level.
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  I it's hard and I know that you were once a Mal theist as it's
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  called. I hate labels, that's why I
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  don't pay attention to definitions.
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  And annihilationism is easy because, you know, it's just
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  that if for people who don't know, it's, I've heard it many
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  times, it's the idea that you when when you die, if you're not
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  in Christ, then you're just sort of cease existence.
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  So what do you think about those thoughts?
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  Yeah, I, I did the mouth theism thing for a little bit, but it
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  took some Christians to help me through that.
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  I did a lot of private discussions.
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  Not everything is live and broadcasted for me.
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  The reason why I thought that is I was having a difficult time
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  with one of the most age-old arguments of the the problem of
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  evil, and I didn't know how to get around that, especially
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  whenever I was debating atheist. How could I get around that?
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  Whenever you see biblically that destructive horrible things do
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  happen at the same time good. But then I finally got to the
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  point where I was realizing that even through evil and bad, God
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  has the power to come out good with a moral lesson and a way to
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  to teach us. And that was very challenging
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  for me to deal with. I got.
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  How do I say I overthought it? Yeah, it works.
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  But life, life without the idea of God behind everything the the
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  atheist has to come to the same conclusion that we should even
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  as Christians that the source of evil.
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  And this is for someone who believes no God, the source of
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  evil is clearly us and it's the free will that you talk about
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  for an atheist, they say, well, there's no God or they lack of
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  belief, whatever they want to say, but they it's this precept
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  that there is no higher power because there's no proof of it.
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  So therefore there is evil in the world.
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  We, we each recognize that atheist and and theist alike.
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  So for for an atheist, they have to come to the conclude well,
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  the source of evil, there is no God source of evil is US as
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  there's why, why are they starving children?
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  Because we allow it to happen because they're governments that
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  allow it to have all this evil in the world.
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  So when we come to that conclusion, then the only thing
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  that could be said, well, if there is a God, then how could
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  he possibly allow all this to happen?
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  And back to one of my favorite Christian theologians, Alvin
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  Plantiga, is we have to think about it.
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  If God created a system of free will to freely choose him,
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  because a relationship founded in mutual respect is 1 where
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  there's reciprocity, as we say, where one can agree.
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  You don't bat somebody over the head and say you will love me
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  and then drag them along with you.
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  And So what do you think about that thought?
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  I actually think that, and I know this is going to come off
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  strains of people, but one of the reasons why I started being
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  very open minded towards God is one day I got into just a chill
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  out discussion with a few older Christians.
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  I mean, like older men, older women and all that up in their
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  like 60s and 70s. And this Christian said, you
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  know, I've watched your videos and you've got a lot of good
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  stuff. It's clear you got a good heart,
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  Brett, and you got a lot of valid questions.
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  But do you believe in objective evil?
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  And I said I do and I. I had not really thought this
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  completely through obviously at this point.
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  And he goes, well, if you believe in objective good,
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  doesn't that also mean there's objective good?
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  An objective means that something exists whether you
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  have an opinion or not, it's a reality.
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  And how can you have objective evil and objective good if there
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  isn't a higher power behind it? So I was kind of stunned.
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  And I, I thought about that and pondered that many nights and I
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  was like, the dude's right. There's too much order, There's
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  too many things going on. And everything seems to have a
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  reason or purpose for it. And it started taking me down
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  the avenue. The only problem I had at that
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  point was who was I going to blame for being God at this
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  point? OK.
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  Yeah, I hear you. And you, you segue us nicely
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  into our reading for today because you talked about talking
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  to people who are older, presumably wiser.
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  And our reading today starts with Proverbs one where it's a
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  it's Solomon, the son of David, king of Israel, giving wisdom
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  and instruction older man to his progeny, his kids.
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  So why don't we? I'm going to use that as a nice
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  Segway to lead us into the reading.
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  And then if you want to stick around, I'd love for you to do
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  so. Let's try and you're 1.
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  I think that I could actually trust with this.
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  Not that I it's not a shide on anyone that I talked to
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  yesterday. I love you guys.
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  It is, but I want to stay on topic.
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  Maybe Brett, if you have the ability to, if you have a
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  notepad next to you or something, just write some notes
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  down and maybe we can talk about what we read today.
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  We'll see what God has in store that.
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  OK, Well. Rob, you're, you're a good
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  speaker and all that. You've always been quite
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  articulate. I don't think I'll need a
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  notebook. You've always made things clear.
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  You're actually a pretty good teacher.
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  Rob Well, I appreciate you saying, but I, I mean, you know,
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  for your own thoughts, because I, I want to sharpen iron.
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  I, I don't want to be just an orator, a teacher because I
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  don't, there's a lot that I don't know.
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  And like I said, I make it my mission to try and stay away
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  from isms and all these things because I think it leads us to a
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  tendency to pay more attention to our head knowledge and our
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  book knowledge rather than just letting God speak and see,
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  trying to reason through what he says and figure it all out
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  because it is a great mystery. There are things that don't
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  tickle our ears. That's why you had problems with
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  the issues of evil as I do as well.
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  Why does God allow it? And we can find some answers,
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  some solace in here. And also see a lot of the solace
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  I get, although we're not reading the Psalm today,
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  particularly through David, is that he went through the same
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  struggles and he wanted a holy hit man in the sky for the
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  things that happened that are bad that God clearly in the New
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  Testament reveals. That's not what we are called to
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  do. We actually called to love our
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  enemies, bless our enemies and that that hurts.
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  So there's a lot of things that are complete mystery to me and
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  all I can try and do is reason through.
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  And I always appreciate doing that through other people that
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  are, are I, I believe are very intelligent and can reason
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  through stuff. And I'm happy to have you here,
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  Brett. So if it's OK, I'll, I'll put
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  you in the back. We're going to start the reading
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  and then I'll do a, a song probably to get us through for
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  people to refill their cups and to go through their notes or
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  maybe continue to read in their own favorite version.
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  And then we'll talk about it when when I'm done.
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  Is that OK? Sounds like a plan.
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  Well, I'll be listening. Thanks for being here, Brett.
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  Appreciate it. Bye.
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  All right. So Brett.
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  So yeah, Brett's story is a really interesting story for me.
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  And as I said, he was the first atheist anti theist at the time
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  when I was a new Christian that I, I suddenly had rather than an
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  echo chamber at the church that I was at, I, I finally found
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  somebody who was able to articulate good arguments.
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  I felt that they were good reasoned some I maybe now that
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  I'm a little older, maybe, you know, there was some
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  fallaciousness, but we all are fallacious.
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  And in our argumentation, the best place for us to be is to
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  rather than argue is just to read and use scripture as a
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  well, it says as a sword, but I think just as a, a place for us
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  to try and find answers and to share it with others.
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  And when there's pushback, and it's the kind of pushback that
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  makes us uncomfortable, that's not what God calls for us.
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  It's it's we look for people of peace, people of peace, even in
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  disagreement. And I thank you, Jesus for that
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  instruction. I thank you God for your word.
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  I thank you for the, the blessings of the messages that
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  we're going to receive today. I thank you for Brett, who's
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  going to join me today too, and hopefully others to kind of
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  parse through your word, help us to say things that are going to
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  be edifying and not condemning in Jesus name, Amen.
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  And again, it was early when I started and so I'm not
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  completely awake. So you'll bear with me for
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  setting the stage. And hopefully the background
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  music won't be too bad and I won't be going in and out
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  because this time I did turn on like an AI noise filtering.
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  And I wonder if that has something that creates problems
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  with the background music and me talking.
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  So if I get choppy, let me know and then I'll take the AI filter
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  out. I'll try and monitor the
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  comments as I'm reading. So let's begin of Solomon, the
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  son of David, king of Israel to know wisdom.
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  Sorry to know wisdom and instruction.
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  To perceive the words of understanding.
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  To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, judgment, and
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  equity. To give prudence to the simple,
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  To the young man knowledge and discretion.
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  A wise man will hear and increase learning, and a man of
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  understanding will attain wise counsel.
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  To understand a proverb and an enigma.
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  The words of the wise and their riddles.
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  The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but
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  fools despise wisdom and instruction.
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  Then Jesus was lit up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be
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  tempted by the devil, and when he had fasted 40 days and 40
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  nights afterward, he was hungry. Now when the tempter came to
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  him, he said, If you are the Son of God, command that these
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  stones become bread. He answered and said, It is
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  written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word
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  that proceeds from the mouth of God.
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  Then the devil took him up into the holy city, set him on the
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  pinnacle of the temple, and said to him, If you are the Son of
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  God, throw yourself down, for it is written, He shall give his
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  angels charge over you. And in their hands they shall
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  bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone.
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  And Jesus said to him, It is written again, You shall not
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  tempt the Lord your God Again the devil took him up on an
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  exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of
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  the world and their glory. And he said to him, All these
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  things I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.
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  And then Jesus said to him, Away with you, Satan, for it is
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  written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only you
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  shall serve. Then the devil left him, and
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  behold, angels came and ministered to him.
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  Now when Jesus heard that John had been put in prison, he
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  departed to Galilee, and leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in
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  Capernaum, which is by the sea in the regions of Zebulun and
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  Naftali. That it might be fulfilled which
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  was spoken by Isaiah, the prophet sang the land of Zebulun
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  and the land of Naftali by the way of the sea beyond the
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  Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles. The people who sat in darkness
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  have seen a great light, and upon those who sat in the region
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  and shadow of death light has dawned.
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  From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, repent, for
• 29:46
  the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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  And Jesus walking by the Sea of Galilee saw two brothers, Simon
• 29:53
  called Peter and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the
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  sea, for they were fishermen. And then he said to them, Follow
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  me, and I will make you fishers of men.
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  They immediately left their Nets and followed him.
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  Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James the son of
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  Zebedee, and John his brother, and the boat was Zebedee, their
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  father. Mending their Nets he called
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  them, and immediately they left the boat and their father and
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  followed him. Then the Lord said to Noah, Come
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  into the ark you and all your household, because I have seen
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  that you are righteous before me in this generation.
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  You shall take with you 7 of each clean of every clean
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  animal, 7 each of every clean animal, a male and his female, 2
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  each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female,
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  also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep
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  the species alive on the face of all the earth.
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  For after 7 more days I will cause it to rain on the earth 40
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  days and 40 nights, and I will destroy from the face of the
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  earth all living things that I have made.
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  And Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him.
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  Noah was 600 years old when the floodwaters were on the earth.
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  So Noah with his sons, his wife, and his sons wives, went into
• 31:32
  the ark because of the waters of the flood, of clean animals, of
• 31:37
  animals that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that
• 31:39
  creeps on the earth. 2 By 2 they went into the ark to Noah, male
• 31:47
  and female, as God had commanded Noah.
• 31:50
  And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the
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  flood were on the earth in the 6th 100th year of Noah's life,
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  in the second month, the 17th day of the month.
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  On that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up,
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  and the windows of heavens, the windows of heaven, were opened,
• 32:09
  and the rain was on the earth. 40 days and 40 nights.
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  On the very same day Noah and Noah's sons, Shem, Ham, and
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  Japheth, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his son, with
• 32:21
  sons with them, entered the ark. They and every beast after its
• 32:25
  kind, all cattle after their kind, every creeping thing that
• 32:31
  creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its
• 32:34
  kind, every bird of every sort. And they went into the ark to
• 32:38
  Noah, two by two of all flesh, and which is the breath of life.
• 32:47
  So those that entered, male and female, of all flesh, went in as
• 32:51
  God had commanded him. And the Lord shut him in.
• 32:54
  Now the flood was on the earth 40 days.
• 32:57
  The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high
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  above the earth. The waters prevailed and greatly
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  increased on the earth. And the ark moved about on the
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  surface of the waters. And the waters prevailed
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  exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the
• 33:13
  whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed 15 cubits
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  upward, and the mountains were covered, and all flesh died that
• 33:24
  moved on the earth, Birds and cattle and beasts of every
• 33:30
  creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man, all in
• 33:34
  whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was
• 33:42
  on the dry land died. So he destroyed all living
• 33:46
  things which are on the face of the ground, both man and cattle,
• 33:49
  creeping thing and bird of the air.
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  They were destroyed from the earth.
• 33:54
  Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained
• 33:58
  alive, and the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days.
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  Then God remembered Noah and every living thing and all the
• 34:07
  animals that were with him in the ark, and God made a wind to
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  Passover. The earth and the waters
• 34:13
  subsided. The fountains of the deep and
• 34:16
  the windows of heaven were also stopped, and the rain from
• 34:20
  heaven was restrained, and the waters receded continually from
• 34:24
  the earth. At the end of the 150 days, the
• 34:28
  waters decreased. Then the ark rested in the
• 34:31
  seventh month, the 17th day of the month, on the mountains of
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  Ararat, and the waters decreased continually until the 10th
• 34:39
  month. In the 10th month, on the first
• 34:42
  day of the month, the tops of the mountains were seen.
• 34:45
  So it came to pass at the end of 40 days that Noah opened the
• 34:48
  window of the ark which he had made, and then he sent out a
• 34:52
  Raven, which kept going to and fro until the waters had dried
• 34:56
  up from the earth. He also sent out from himself a
• 34:59
  dove to see if the waters had receded from the face of the
• 35:05
  ground. But the dove found no resting
• 35:09
  place for the sole of her foot, and she returned into the ark to
• 35:13
  him. For the waters are on the face
• 35:16
  of the whole earth. So he put out his hand and took
• 35:18
  her, and drew her into the ark to himself.
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  And he waited yet another seven days, and again he sent the dove
• 35:24
  out from the ark. Then the dove came to him in the
• 35:27
  evening, and behold, A freshly plucked olive leaf was in her
• 35:31
  mouth, and no one knew that the waters had receded from the
• 35:36
  earth. So he waited another seven days
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  and sent out the dove, which did not return again to him anymore.
• 35:47
  And it came to pass. In the 601st year, in the first
• 35:51
  month, the first day of the month, as the waters were dried
• 35:55
  up from the earth, and Noah removed the covering of the ark
• 35:59
  and looked, and indeed the surface of the ground was dry.
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  And in the second month, on the 27th day of the month, the earth
• 36:07
  was dried, whom God spoke to Noah saying, Go out of the ark,
• 36:11
  you and your wife and your sons, and your son's wives with you.
• 36:15
  Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with
• 36:18
  you, birds and cattle, and every creeping thing that creeps on
• 36:21
  the earth, so that they may abound on the earth and be
• 36:23
  fruitful and multiply on the earth.
• 36:28
  So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his son's wives
• 36:32
  with them. Every animal, every creeping
• 36:34
  thing, every bird, and whatever creeps on the earth according to
• 36:37
  their families, went out of the ark.
• 36:40
  The Noah built an altar to the Lord and took of every clean
• 36:46
  animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on
• 36:52
  the altar. And the Lord smelled A soothing
• 36:56
  aroma. And the Lord said in his heart,
• 36:59
  I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although
• 37:05
  the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth.
• 37:12
  Nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
• 37:15
  While the earth remains, seed, time and harvest, cold and heat,
• 37:19
  winter and summer, and day and night shall not cease.
• 37:28
  So God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, Be fruitful
• 37:33
  and multiply and fill the earth. And the fear of you and the
• 37:38
  dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every
• 37:41
  bird of the air, and on all that move on the earth and on all the
• 37:44
  fish of the sea, they're given into your hand.
• 37:48
  Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.
• 37:51
  I've given you all things even as the green herbs, but you
• 37:58
  shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, with its blood.
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  Surely for your lifeblood I will demand A reckoning.
• 38:12
  From the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the
• 38:14
  hand of man, from the hand of every man's brother I will
• 38:17
  require the life of man. Whoever sheds man's blood by
• 38:22
  man, his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God he made
• 38:28
  man. And As for you, be fruitful and
• 38:31
  multiply, Bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply in
• 38:35
  it. And God spoke to Noah, unto his
• 38:38
  sons, with him saying, And As for me, behold, I establish my
• 38:42
  covenant with you, and with your descendants after you, and with
• 38:46
  every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle,
• 38:50
  and every beast of the earth, with you of all that go out of
• 38:53
  the ark, every beast of the earth.
• 38:56
  Thus I establish my covenant with you.
• 38:58
  Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the
• 39:01
  flood. Never again shall there be a
• 39:03
  flood to destroy the earth. And God said, This is the sign
• 39:09
  of the covenant which I make between me and you, and every
• 39:12
  living creature that is with you for perpetual generations.
• 39:17
  I set my rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of
• 39:21
  the covenant between me and the earth.
• 39:25
  It shall be when I bring a cloud over the earth that the rainbow
• 39:29
  shall be seen in the cloud, and I will remember my covenant,
• 39:32
  which is between me and every living creature of all flesh.
• 39:37
  The water shall never again become a flood to destroy all
• 39:40
  flesh. The rainbow shall be in the
• 39:43
  cloud and I will look on it to remember the everlasting
• 39:47
  covenant between God and every living creature of the flesh
• 39:51
  that is on the earth. And God said to Noah, this is
• 39:56
  the sign of the covenant which I have established between me and
• 39:59
  all flesh that is on the earth. Thank you God for your word.
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  Please bless the discussion today in Jesus name, Amen.
• 40:13
  All right, now's the time where everybody should go do your
• 40:19
  refills. I'm going to play the same song
• 40:21
  I did yesterday, which was an introduction to a song concept
• 40:27
  that I got a little help from AI for helping me with the melody
• 40:35
  of the lyrics. This isn't the version.
• 40:36
  I will say this though, it's a real pain.
• 40:41
  The version of this that I do really like because it was
• 40:44
  multiple versions and there's a male version and I did
• 40:49
  everything in my power yesterday.
• 40:50
  I was working on it to be able to sing the song and I can't do
• 40:56
  it in the manner in which I I love.
• 41:00
  And that's I had a humbling moment yesterday where I
• 41:07
  thought, wow, I really wish I could sing this.
• 41:09
  It's so darn good and I can't. So I may try and do just a
• 41:16
  version that I can't like. In other words, sing it lower,
• 41:19
  but it's just not the same. And we'll see.
• 41:23
  I'm going to let God decide that.
• 41:25
  We'll see how that goes. But I hope you'll enjoy this
• 41:29
  because this is relevant to our discussion again today.
• 41:33
  We talk about the flood and I, we, I imagine maybe Brett and me
• 41:39
  and anyone else that's going to come in.
• 41:41
  I do see that Brett's in here. Brandon, I see you too.
• 41:44
  So Brandon, we're going to, we're discussing this scripture
• 41:48
  today is good, a lot of good stuff for us to talk about,
• 41:51
  particularly the historicity of the flood and, and whether it
• 41:56
  matters. That's the big question.
• 42:00
  And I'll give you a precursor for me, whether or not the Noah
• 42:03
  story is true, it, it doesn't matter.
• 42:06
  There's an underlying current. And there's this really great
• 42:10
  thread that I hope to show you that isn't my own idea.
• 42:15
  It's actually from Pastor Brian of Calvary Chapel Malibu.
• 42:18
  One of my favorite sermons that he did involve the dove that we
• 42:23
  saw today and the on the ark. So we will be discussing that
• 42:29
  dove and how it stitches together the old and new
• 42:33
  covenants. And I'm curious what you guys
• 42:35
  will think about it. So for now, let's take a just
• 42:40
  under 4 minute break. We'll be right back.
• 42:44
  Enjoy this song. Let me get the flood.
• 42:48
  Want you to meditate on it. If you're already ready to
• 42:50
  discuss and you don't need coffee, just meditate on the
• 42:54
  song. The idea that the it's based on
• 42:57
  Ezekiel 47, that the farther we get from the perfect temple, the
• 43:01
  perfect temple that in Ezekiel 47 starts to flood.
• 43:05
  There's water that comes out, and contrary to basic physics
• 43:09
  and logic, that living water that comes out of the perfect
• 43:13
  temple, rather than the farther that it goes, the water goes
• 43:17
  that it would get shallower and shallower.
• 43:20
  That living water, the farther that it goes from the perfect
• 43:23
  temple, the farther that we try and escape and walk away from
• 43:26
  that perfection of God, Jesus, the temple that he raised up in
• 43:31
  three days, the deeper the flood, the waters get, the
• 43:36
  waters of grace. On that note, this song is
• 43:40
  probably going to be called Ezekiel 47.
• 43:43
  This is essentially a demo with a female vocal.
• 43:45
  I really, really like this vocal.
• 43:47
  So be back in about four minutes.
• 47:48
  OK, I've got the crew of Brandon and Brett, the Double B welcome.
• 47:57
  Hey man, beautiful song by the way.
• 48:00
  You're going to send me a copy so I can?
• 48:02
  Listen, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I, I don't know, that's not, that's
• 48:05
  the demo of the version I'm going to try and do.
• 48:07
  It's not 100% the same arrangement.
• 48:09
  It's pretty close though of the version that I was trying to
• 48:12
  sing because I have a male aspect of that song.
• 48:16
  Thank you for that though. But that was the melody line of
• 48:20
  the vocal because I had a, a music idea and I had lyrics.
• 48:26
  And so I, I took the music idea with the lyrics and it was a, a
• 48:33
  music cue that I wrote about 15 years ago.
• 48:35
  And I just couldn't figure out how to turn it into a song.
• 48:38
  And I used AAI to help me to do that.
• 48:41
  We talked about that a little yesterday with Brandon.
• 48:43
  So we'll see it, it's probably going to be released, not that
• 48:46
  version, although I love that version.
• 48:48
  It's so beautiful, but I'm going to do my own and see how.
• 48:53
  Why can't you? Why can't you do like a single?
• 48:56
  You're allowed like a do something like CD Baby, You
• 49:00
  could put out three versions of it.
• 49:02
  Musicians have been known to do that.
• 49:04
  Maybe I will. Yeah, maybe you know why not?
• 49:07
  Why not? I might put it.
• 49:08
  Out put it on like Spotify and stuff.
• 49:12
  Well, I I am on Yeah, I will. I am on Spotify.
• 49:15
  The the only thing is like if I was thinking how am I going to
• 49:21
  label it? Because it's not obviously it's
• 49:23
  not Rob Reed singing there. It's actually AI singing right
• 49:26
  there. That doesn't matter.
• 49:27
  I know I'm going to put it. I do have AI have two Spotify
• 49:33
  channels, 1 is just. I had AI experimented with
• 49:38
  writing classical music about 10:00-ish years ago, and I did
• 49:43
  a, what would you call it, a medley?
• 49:46
  I did a Christmas medley and I called it My Baby's First
• 49:50
  Christmas lullaby. And it's under the artist name
• 49:53
  Faith Love Hope Orchestra. And I was thinking of putting
• 49:59
  that song that you just heard, maybe under the Faith Love
• 50:01
  Orchestra concept. And if they asked me who sang
• 50:05
  that, I'll be like, well, her name is Brett Keene, and she's
• 50:12
  beautiful. Yeah, can I just make a
• 50:14
  suggestion as far as 'cause you know the whole name of the game
• 50:18
  noun that we're entering, Cause nobody buys CDs anymore.
• 50:21
  It's all going to streaming, period.
• 50:24
  I think that's obvious. And you know, why would you buy
• 50:27
  ACD when you can just stream any song you want to?
• 50:30
  So anyways. But yes, it's a marketing matter
• 50:35
  purely when you're dealing with Spotify.
• 50:38
  And so that's why you need to think of a good marketing name.
• 50:43
  You know what I mean? Like, you know, think of a good
• 50:46
  woman's name and make her an artist, you know what I'm
• 50:50
  saying? Because if you, if you can, this
• 50:53
  is what I'm, you know, I'm, I just, you know, my position is
• 50:57
  we're at this point in time, we're in a war of words and
• 51:01
  people are not paying attention. They do not understand that all
• 51:05
  music is spiritual And no one's paying attention to the words
• 51:10
  that get pumped into their head. Just like, for example, I mean,
• 51:14
  if you look up the, the lyrics to Barry Manilow's song, I write
• 51:19
  the songs. Tell me who's writing the songs
• 51:22
  when you read those lyrics, you know what I'm saying?
• 51:26
  I thought it was Barry. I used to clean house to that.
• 51:29
  My mom forced me to clean house to that song and.
• 51:31
  Mandy pull up the lyrics real quick.
• 51:34
  I I remember I write the songs. I've been alive forever.
• 51:40
  What? Barry.
• 51:41
  OK, that's interesting. Oh, you've been alive forever.
• 51:45
  And I wrote the very first song, yeah.
• 51:48
  I wrote the very first song. Who are we talking about now?
• 51:53
  That's interesting. OK.
• 51:55
  That's why you know people don't understand, even through the
• 51:59
  nicest, sweetest Disney songs, you've got satanic messages.
• 52:05
  Yeah, I mean, sometimes, but I also find like, since since I
• 52:08
  tried, I've actually tried. And then let's go into the Bible
• 52:12
  in a SEC. But so I'm going to pop this out
• 52:14
  so people don't get I've tried to write secular songs.
• 52:18
  I have a couple like I have a love song to my wife and things,
• 52:22
  but there's always I can't get out.
• 52:24
  It's sort of like reminds me of that song.
• 52:26
  The farther I run, the the fuller the flood is the line
• 52:30
  there. So it's AII can't escape God's
• 52:35
  desire to speak his message through me.
• 52:39
  And I've tried, I've tried many, many times since becoming a
• 52:43
  Christian. I obviously I've been writing
• 52:45
  songs. I think the the first song that
• 52:48
  I formally wrote and it was only because I that I wrote in full.
• 52:53
  I tried before, but I didn't really play an instrument.
• 52:55
  But as soon as I learned how to play guitar, I wrote my first
• 52:58
  song, I think in 1988 and and and so and then I was I was a
• 53:06
  love song to my girlfriend. It's time now my wife and that
• 53:11
  one doesn't have God themes that I remember, but I'd be
• 53:13
  interesting for me to look. But every time I I try now,
• 53:17
  there's, there's always some theme of repentance or changing
• 53:21
  the mind or correcting oneself or that there's some higher
• 53:27
  purpose to life. It's I can't get past it.
• 53:29
  So it's interesting. I don't want to.
• 53:32
  I don't want to market. I'm only trying to encourage you
• 53:35
  because I think that, you know, if we can pump out music with
• 53:41
  doctrinal truths, you know what I mean?
• 53:44
  People are going to be listening to things that they're not even
• 53:46
  really paying attention to, but we're pumping a positive message
• 53:50
  in there. Right.
• 53:52
  That's all I'm getting at. I'm with you.
• 53:54
  So let's try and do that, and I'm glad that you're doing it as
• 53:57
  well. So great.
• 53:59
  I'm not saying who my little Spotify band is, because I'm
• 54:02
  hoping here soon that everybody here in YouTube land goes.
• 54:07
  Have you heard this band? Okay, well.
• 54:10
  Hi. I'm anxious to try and figure
• 54:13
  that out. We'll see it when it happens.
• 54:14
  I'm going to just start looking at random Chris.
• 54:16
  I'm going to type random Christian search messages or
• 54:19
  search terms and see if you pull up.
• 54:21
  We'll see. Well, Rob, I was going to
• 54:23
  mention that a lot of that, a lot of the a lot of the secular
• 54:27
  bands out there have actually got many songs that talk about
• 54:32
  God and all that. Even some of the bands that some
• 54:35
  people might actually think wouldn't possibly ever do that.
• 54:38
  But yeah, did you know Alice Cooper?
• 54:41
  His father was a preacher and he talks about Christ all the time
• 54:45
  so. I know that, yeah, I do know
• 54:46
  that and I do. There's I was really surprised
• 54:49
  to learn maybe it was about 10-15 years ago because I grew
• 54:52
  up with Black Sabbath. They were one of my favorite
• 54:54
  bands and Black Sabbath has actually a gospel song.
• 54:57
  I forget what it's called. Ozzy had a Bible in his hand at
• 55:03
  the at the end of the run there man.
• 55:05
  Yeah, let me see if I can. Do you know of that song, Brett?
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  The Black Sabbath Like. Well, Ozzy, unlike Dio who later
• 55:14
  on becomes their lead vocalist of Black Sabbath.
• 55:17
  What was more of an agnostic, but Ozzy definitely believed in
• 55:21
  God early on. Are you thinking about War Pigs?
• 55:24
  No, it's. Actually, no.
• 55:25
  War Pigs was about politics and yeah, it's about.
• 55:28
  What I mean, Satan, laughing, spreads his way.
• 55:33
  Yeah, no, it's, it was, I have it up here.
• 55:36
  It's it's a song. It says that because Black
• 55:39
  Sabbath was getting sick of being called Satanist, bassist
• 55:43
  Geezer Butler, who is a Christian, wrote this pro
• 55:46
  Christianity song. The lyrics about being open
• 55:49
  minded and at least consider and then I'll stop it there because
• 55:51
  I don't know if a commercial's going to pop up, but it starts
• 55:54
  up. The first verse is have you?
• 55:56
  This is Black Sabbath by the way, after forever.
• 55:58
  Have you ever thought about your soul?
• 55:59
  Can it be saved or perhaps you think that when you are dead,
• 56:02
  you just stay in your grave? Is God just a thought within
• 56:05
  your head or is he a part of you?
• 56:06
  Is Christ just a name that you read in the book when you were
• 56:09
  in school? This is sung by Ozzy Osbourne
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  and it was it was released by Black Sabbath.
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  So yeah, it's it's interesting how but and you I always hear
• 56:18
  God messages in songs, even for those that in secular that that
• 56:23
  aren't trying. And I do think Brandon, it's a
• 56:25
  good point that he's. In that new hit song right now,
• 56:29
  that's like top of Spotify. That song Ordinary by Alex,
• 56:33
  whatever his name is, I. Don't know it.
• 56:35
  Oh, man, yeah. I mean, it's a pretty, I mean, I
• 56:39
  got to hand it to him, even though I, you know, I've
• 56:41
  listened to the rest of his songs and they suck, but this
• 56:44
  one's a good one. Boy, you, you did a good job on
• 56:47
  that one. And he was explaining how all
• 56:52
  of, like, his record label people were saying, yeah, nobody
• 56:55
  likes this song, this and that. And he kept, you know, he had to
• 56:59
  like post it on the Tick Tock like 182 times for it to
• 57:04
  actually take off. And that, you know, they were
• 57:06
  making a point about because of all of the AI garbage that's
• 57:10
  going out there now, you really have to in order for anyone to
• 57:14
  even see your video instead of all of these little AI kitties
• 57:19
  drinking beer or whatever videos, you know what I mean?
• 57:22
  We're flooded with all that garbage.
• 57:24
  So now it's making it harder to market your music.
• 57:27
  Yeah, but it but still it's it's a good time to be, it's a bad
• 57:31
  time to be an artist musically, if you want to make money, it's
• 57:34
  a great time. Trust me, they're going to dumb
• 57:37
  down AI shortly the the SUNO and everything's going to get Dumber
• 57:41
  soon. Watch.
• 57:42
  We'll see. It's pretty amazing right now.
• 57:45
  There are a lot of things that I.
• 57:46
  Play with the toy. Yeah, the toy is not perfect
• 57:50
  though, because I, I, I've been working on changing lyrics, in
• 57:53
  particular that song, and it's very, very difficult.
• 57:56
  So we'll they could make that a little bit easier.
• 58:00
  Yeah, you can take the song, download it from Suno, put it
• 58:03
  into a mixer, do whatever you want to it there.
• 58:08
  You know what I'm saying? Lot you can do all.
• 58:10
  Right, let's go let's go into the Bible study.
• 58:14
  One of the things I want, and this is again, not my concept,
• 58:17
  but I, I want to start here just because I might forget if we get
• 58:20
  to the discussion, but the, the story of the dove in Noah's, the
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  Noah's Ark. And Noah sends out this dove and
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  he does it three times. He the first time comes back.
• 58:36
  Second time comes back with an olive branch, right?
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  Was it an olive branch that a olive leaf that was in the
• 58:43
  dove's mouth, but it's still this it didn't have, it didn't
• 58:46
  stay, it came back. But the last time he sends out
• 58:50
  the dove and it doesn't return again to him anymore.
• 58:52
  And I've already accidentally revealed the connection with the
• 58:57
  New Testament. So that Pastor Brian had
• 59:00
  preached probably like a year and a half ago or something.
• 59:02
  He was preaching on this and he talked about the dove and, and
• 59:07
  where the dove may have landed that that connects old and new.
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  And that's, that's the message I see here.
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  The fabric that is stitched together, that brings new and
• 59:19
  old together. This dove never escapes.
• 59:22
  We presume that it's that it's on land somewhere, but Pastor
• 59:27
  Brian, and it's probably not his own idea anyway, but I'm curious
• 59:30
  what you guys think of this. Imagines that dove leaving the
• 59:34
  ark with the new promise, the new covenant of of God.
• 59:37
  And then it's that same dove that comes down has the Holy
• 59:42
  Spirit that Jesus sees in Luke 3.
• 59:46
  Luke 321 says when all the people were baptized, it came to
• 59:48
  pass that Jesus was also baptized.
• 59:51
  And while Jesus prayed, the heaven was opened and the Holy
• 59:54
  Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon him.
• 59:58
  And a voice came from heaven which said, you are my beloved
• 1:00:01
  son. And and you I am well pleased.
• 1:00:03
  So it's this, this, this second covenant.
• 1:00:08
  You know, we have the the law that's or actually it's the
• 1:00:11
  first covenant cause the law through Moses will come after.
• 1:00:15
  So we get this covenant from God that he's going to never again
• 1:00:20
  destroy through a flood is this story with with Moses.
• 1:00:24
  But then it the dove flies through time, if you will, and
• 1:00:29
  enters through this fabric ripped into Jesus's time to
• 1:00:34
  connect, to stitch, to carry the the from the old promise of Noah
• 1:00:41
  all the way through passed the law and coming through to Jesus,
• 1:00:47
  the final covenant. That's what the Christians
• 1:00:50
  believe of salvation through him.
• 1:00:52
  What do you guys think of that connection?
• 1:00:56
  You know, me personally, I think that that's a stretch.
• 1:00:59
  And you know, I mean, I everybody likes to get into
• 1:01:01
  these little like romantic ideas and stuff, and that's cool.
• 1:01:06
  I mean, you know, I mean, but I think that this is a, you know,
• 1:01:09
  the spirit descending in bodily form like a dove would rule out
• 1:01:15
  that it's, you know, it's not the same dove.
• 1:01:17
  Obviously this is. How do you know what?
• 1:01:20
  Do you mean? Well, why couldn't it be?
• 1:01:24
  I don't know, you know, why would God keep a single dove
• 1:01:28
  alive that long? I mean it's.
• 1:01:30
  Well, you know, in time God exists outside of time.
• 1:01:34
  It you know, we think of science and all this craziness.
• 1:01:37
  What is it just a wormhole? What if with this?
• 1:01:40
  I don't think it was like an actual dove sitting there
• 1:01:43
  floating over Jesus, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:01:45
  I think, yeah, in bodily form, like a dove.
• 1:01:50
  So I don't I, I think. It says like, like a dove, but
• 1:01:53
  it says that the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form.
• 1:01:57
  In bodily form. There was a there was a form,
• 1:02:00
  there was a shape and it was identifiable as a dove.
• 1:02:03
  Why wasn't it an eagle? Why wasn't it an albatross swan,
• 1:02:07
  a beautiful bird? Because the reality this is
• 1:02:10
  interesting to a dove. What?
• 1:02:12
  What kind of bird is a dove? Dude I have so many doves on my
• 1:02:17
  property it'll blow your mind. So yeah, they're all over the
• 1:02:20
  place, right? Yeah, they're like pigeons.
• 1:02:21
  Yeah, that's exactly right. It's an albino pigeon.
• 1:02:25
  Yeah. And what and what do pigeons do?
• 1:02:27
  What's their function? And in license, how do they eat?
• 1:02:33
  What do you like Insects and. Why do where do you see pigeons
• 1:02:37
  usually see them in big cities, right?
• 1:02:40
  Pigeons. Yeah, I suppose.
• 1:02:42
  Yeah. They're they hang out in
• 1:02:43
  garbage. Yeah, I have a ton of them here.
• 1:02:46
  There's lots of them here in Arizona, so.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah. So it's, they're like my Pastor
• 1:02:51
  Dana. So I'm, I'm merging my 2
• 1:02:53
  pastors, my my 2 primary teachers.
• 1:02:57
  Pastor Dana called the dove a trash bird, just like a pigeon.
• 1:03:00
  They hang out and try, they take Peck out of trash.
• 1:03:03
  They survive by trash. And it's a, it's a reflection
• 1:03:06
  like we, we imagined dove as a, as a pretty bird with an olive
• 1:03:10
  branch. We see it because it's in
• 1:03:12
  Christian symbology. But the reality is the dove is
• 1:03:16
  really like an albino trash bird.
• 1:03:18
  And it's a perfect reflection of, of who we are.
• 1:03:23
  You know, the wretches that we are without Jesus and yet rather
• 1:03:27
  than God the Holy Spirit coming through the fabric there in Luke
• 1:03:33
  3 as a glorious bird, a majestic bird.
• 1:03:39
  He comes out as a, as the Holy Spirit comes out in the, the
• 1:03:43
  vision of in the bodily form of like a dove, clearly some kind
• 1:03:48
  of bird, but it appeared otherwise it wouldn't be written
• 1:03:51
  this way. It appeared to be a dove, a
• 1:03:53
  trash bird. I, I find that really
• 1:03:56
  interesting. And yeah, you could call it a
• 1:03:58
  stretch, but as I say, I I think as I think these things are
• 1:04:04
  purposefully there for us. And so for me, the story of Noah
• 1:04:11
  and we can talk about this. Next, I don't.
• 1:04:13
  Care whether the story of Noah is true, I personally if from a.
• 1:04:17
  Yeah, but I can't. That baffles me that you, I
• 1:04:21
  mean, because it's this is important.
• 1:04:24
  You know, there's tons of evidence for the flood.
• 1:04:26
  So it it's proof that look, God doesn't play games when it comes
• 1:04:31
  to judgement. You need to pay attention,
• 1:04:34
  folks. This isn't a joke.
• 1:04:36
  You know what I'm saying? There is going to be a judgement
• 1:04:39
  day and when Jesus comes back, he's not coming back for hugs
• 1:04:43
  and kisses. Well, but I think this, this is
• 1:04:47
  the saith robbery. I think that there was a flood.
• 1:04:50
  I think that there are many people around to witness the
• 1:04:52
  flood. I'm not 100% sure it was
• 1:04:55
  worldwide. I think there were more than
• 1:04:57
  just Noah and his family that survived it.
• 1:05:01
  But and that's why we have things like the the flood story
• 1:05:04
  of Gilgamesh. Atheists like to use the these
• 1:05:08
  flood stories. We'll see.
• 1:05:09
  There were multiple flood stories.
• 1:05:10
  As if that was a discredit. Discreditation.
• 1:05:13
  I don't know if that's a correct word.
• 1:05:14
  As if that could discredit the biblical story.
• 1:05:18
  And I'm like, if anything, it confirms it.
• 1:05:21
  It just could be like a game of telephone.
• 1:05:24
  Isn't it hilarious? The atheist will sit there and
• 1:05:27
  say what evidence for the is there for the flood and it's
• 1:05:31
  have you ever seen the ocean dum dum?
• 1:05:34
  Have you seen any other planet that's got water all over it?
• 1:05:38
  I mean, how could the oceans not be evidence for the flood?
• 1:05:43
  Well, they would say, I would say more that it could be
• 1:05:46
  evidence of creation, like the interesting story and we've
• 1:05:50
  already read in Genesis 1 of waters and the earth was filled
• 1:05:55
  with water. See the thing I like to find
• 1:05:57
  commonality with an atheist when we're talking about things and
• 1:06:00
  to say, well, where do you think that life originated where an
• 1:06:05
  atheist would think it originated, where it popped into
• 1:06:08
  existence randomly and some primordial soup It would have
• 1:06:11
  been life starts for the atheist in water.
• 1:06:15
  And so the the with life starting in water, we have a
• 1:06:20
  commonality. We both say that that there were
• 1:06:24
  that that's even what God did. God first starts creating the
• 1:06:29
  animals, and presumably he did it with fish, right.
• 1:06:32
  And start with a fish where the evolutionist looks as they go.
• 1:06:35
  Well, yeah. Started as fish, and slowly the
• 1:06:37
  fish got and through the long, long period of time got legs,
• 1:06:41
  and then they were able to walk on land, turned into lizards.
• 1:06:43
  Whatever and whatever you believe in that there's a
• 1:06:45
  commonality. There's a thread between atheism
• 1:06:48
  and theism there with me that we both share, so I focus on that
• 1:06:53
  rather than saying, you know, to an atheist you're just silly for
• 1:06:57
  for not seeing a flood from because.
• 1:07:00
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I wouldn't argue it
• 1:07:01
  like that with somebody that I'm trying to lead to the Lord.
• 1:07:04
  I'm just saying as far as like amongst us, like how silly is it
• 1:07:08
  that people would say, you know what evidence for the flood?
• 1:07:12
  Well, the whole planet's covered in water, I mean.
• 1:07:15
  Yeah, well, they say it started that way and I I could, it could
• 1:07:18
  have started that way. So I there are many.
• 1:07:21
  There's no other planet we with all of the telescopes we have
• 1:07:24
  now, like the James Webb, there is no other planet that we've
• 1:07:27
  observed that has water on it. Yeah, in my case, I would simply
• 1:07:31
  say because God, particularly the small little speck, this
• 1:07:36
  tiny speck in the entirety of the universe, I mean, tiny speck
• 1:07:39
  is being generous. We, we are an irrelevant little
• 1:07:43
  piece of the massive universe that it was purposeful that God
• 1:07:47
  had planned for the the ultimate creation to be formed on this
• 1:07:53
  earth. That's at least the evidence
• 1:07:55
  that we have so far. It'd be interesting to see if we
• 1:07:57
  discover long afterward that that that there is life on other
• 1:08:02
  planets, which I think is a possibility.
• 1:08:04
  I don't know. I was, I was going to say Rob
• 1:08:07
  that as far as the wormhole and all that I'm I I would be more
• 1:08:12
  up for the idea of since God is outside of time, he exists past,
• 1:08:17
  present, future, because we exist linear.
• 1:08:20
  That's how our existence is. I wouldn't have a problem with
• 1:08:24
  God actually manifesting the dove in such a way with the
• 1:08:27
  olive leaf in order to be able to coincide with something
• 1:08:32
  symbolic in the New Testament. I'm totally for that.
• 1:08:36
  As far as the water, I've heard atheists say things like, you
• 1:08:40
  know, where did all the water come from?
• 1:08:42
  And I said one the world. Our our planet is actually
• 1:08:46
  considered a water planet because it's 75% in the surface.
• 1:08:50
  A lot of people don't know this, but 400 miles below the crust of
• 1:08:55
  the earth there is over 5 oceans worth of water in.
• 1:08:59
  Remember the Bible didn't just say it rained, it said the earth
• 1:09:02
  broke open and water came forth. So there's plenty of plenty of
• 1:09:07
  information and ways to be able to get around that.
• 1:09:10
  As far as saying that there's other stories of men on a boat
• 1:09:14
  or whatever. What's interesting, if you look
• 1:09:16
  into it and actually compare the language of Giggle Mesh, it
• 1:09:20
  actually comes out to Noah. Isn't that neat?
• 1:09:23
  Yeah. And I think, I think that's very
• 1:09:25
  interesting to me. But even if it's just the
• 1:09:27
  concept of the flood, 'cause there are other flood
• 1:09:30
  mythologies, I I don't, I can't name them off the top of my
• 1:09:33
  head. But if anything, I'd say, well,
• 1:09:35
  if there are multiple stories of a flood in multiple different
• 1:09:38
  locations, but they have some disparities, some the
• 1:09:43
  commonality we can see between the malls, the fact that there
• 1:09:46
  was a flood. So so it doesn't refute a flood.
• 1:09:51
  It might refute, you know, if you try and argue if somebody
• 1:09:54
  else earlier had a Noah ish story, maybe it's Christianity
• 1:09:59
  took that on, or rather it would rather Jewish Judaism did.
• 1:10:03
  But to me, it's irrelevant because there's a just like with
• 1:10:06
  Adam and Eve, you know when we argue the truth of whether the
• 1:10:10
  Adam and Eve story is true or it's not, If it's a as if it's
• 1:10:15
  just a myth, if Noah's just a myth, there's a reason for these
• 1:10:19
  stories that goes beyond whether or not they're actually.
• 1:10:22
  True, but if it if it's not pure truth dude, then we have
• 1:10:26
  nothing. No, we, we do we, we have we
• 1:10:30
  have a great story of the fact that God had an intention to
• 1:10:35
  create an ultimate creation that he was going to have a
• 1:10:38
  relationship with that he breathed life into which is the
• 1:10:42
  human. But we read today and I, I sort
• 1:10:45
  of, I forgot this and to move it back into the to our reading
• 1:10:52
  today, there is a reference to not only God breathing life into
• 1:11:00
  Adam and Eve into humans, as I, I used to use that as AI used to
• 1:11:06
  think of that as well. That's a representation of how
• 1:11:09
  we were special. But there's a reference to
• 1:11:12
  animals having received the blood, the breath of life.
• 1:11:17
  See they, they went into the ark.
• 1:11:18
  This is from Genesis 715 and they went into the ark, but to
• 1:11:25
  Noah, that's the animals, two by two of all flesh, in which all
• 1:11:29
  flesh, these animals is the breath of life.
• 1:11:33
  So that same breath of life is given to animals where I think
• 1:11:39
  we have been made more special, where the ultimate creation is
• 1:11:41
  that God has given us a, a ability to reason like we're
• 1:11:46
  doing right now. You're not going to see 3 doves
• 1:11:49
  together talking about this, these issues.
• 1:11:52
  You're not going to see three pigs.
• 1:11:53
  You're not going to see 3 cows, three horses, three dogs, 3
• 1:11:56
  gorillas. You're going to see humans.
• 1:12:00
  And so we are made special, sure, but all it even says here,
• 1:12:04
  all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life
• 1:12:07
  referring to the animals. So that's an interesting thought
• 1:12:10
  to me. What also was interesting is
• 1:12:13
  that God because it's weird for someone, and this is now that
• 1:12:17
  I'm thinking out loud, this is before the Levitical laws, but
• 1:12:21
  still there were animals who were considered to be unclean
• 1:12:27
  and they were included on the ark.
• 1:12:31
  Why do you think God if he was going to reset everything in
• 1:12:34
  this story, why would he want there to be unclean animals in
• 1:12:38
  his new his new creation after the flood?
• 1:12:45
  Sure. Why?
• 1:12:47
  Why? So there were two pigs.
• 1:12:49
  There were two pigs on the Ark, right?
• 1:12:51
  Well, you know how you mentioned Rob earlier, whenever you were
• 1:12:54
  reading, you would have said that how God was giving mankind
• 1:12:58
  dominion and also how that some of the animals were given to
• 1:13:03
  eat. Perhaps.
• 1:13:05
  There seems to be a lot of dietary advice and Judaism where
• 1:13:09
  it's explaining what we can eat and what we can't.
• 1:13:12
  Back then, if you ate the wrong thing, boy, that was going to
• 1:13:15
  tear you up. It's not like they had 911 in
• 1:13:18
  the hospital run off to you. Yeah.
• 1:13:21
  And it's also, it's also kind of, you know, poetic justice as
• 1:13:25
  far as you know, the blood of Jesus cleans, cleanses
• 1:13:29
  everything, makes everything clean.
• 1:13:33
  That's where you know what I mean?
• 1:13:35
  That is the difference, you know.
• 1:13:38
  Because after you know, after Jesus dies on the cross and
• 1:13:42
  everything, sure, you can eat pigs all you want.
• 1:13:45
  Well, it was before he even died, though he preached.
• 1:13:49
  He said it isn't what goes into the mouth.
• 1:13:51
  That's the files. It isn't before he died, before
• 1:13:54
  the blood. It isn't what goes into the
• 1:13:56
  mouth that defiles you. It's what comes out right, so I
• 1:14:01
  think. I think one other thing too,
• 1:14:03
  Rob, I think the reason why God kept the unclean creatures
• 1:14:07
  around as well as the clean is to build the rebuild the
• 1:14:11
  ecosystem. Every animal, whether unclean or
• 1:14:14
  not, it has some purpose in it and they do something that
• 1:14:18
  actually helps the the earth and it's kind of like a symbiotic
• 1:14:22
  relationship. I totally I I I totally get that
• 1:14:26
  too. But, and, and it also stands to
• 1:14:29
  reason in and that's why we look at perceived evil, how we
• 1:14:34
  perceive it when we watch a, a lion run after a zebra, for
• 1:14:39
  instance, and catch the slowest oldest one, probably or the
• 1:14:42
  youngest. And that makes it even worse to
• 1:14:45
  see them just RIP it apart while it's still alive.
• 1:14:49
  But it's there is a purpose to the ecosystem that whether it's
• 1:14:54
  population control, whether it's just the way in which things
• 1:14:57
  were designed in, in the fallen world of how we survive in the
• 1:15:04
  end for me, you know, when we look at those things, you know,
• 1:15:07
  especially for a member of Peter or something, they, they would
• 1:15:10
  go crazy. We have to, we cannot answer for
• 1:15:17
  God as to why these things happen.
• 1:15:21
  I think that's, it's sort of those kind of events that
• 1:15:25
  happened outside of sight for us most of the time with the only
• 1:15:29
  reason we know that these things happen is because people go into
• 1:15:33
  the, the jungles and plains of Africa and see these horrible
• 1:15:37
  things happen and they film it for us to, to, you know, in our,
• 1:15:41
  in our horrible natures, we can't help but watch it that
• 1:15:46
  there is a reason for it probably.
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  And when somebody says, you know, what is a reason?
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  Why did God do that? I don't know, I think I don't
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  know is the best answer there. Like why?
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  Why does evil? Why do bad things happen?
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  Well, that's yeah. Because right now, you know, I
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  mean Satan, you know, the Bible even says Satan has a Kingdom,
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  you know what I mean? So they're there.
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  And then also like in the book of Daniel, where Gabriel's like,
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  you know, sorry I'm late, but I had to fight with the Prince of
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  Tyre or what? You know what, I may be botching
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  that as far as but when you know, in the book of Daniel,
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  Gabriel comes and says, you know, I was delayed, Satan
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  delayed me or whatever kind of showing that these these
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  principalities are very territorial.
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  So there are like, you know, there are borders and districts
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  here on this earth and we wrestle not with against flesh
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  and blood, but against principalities.
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  So obviously we're talking about spiritual principalities.
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  And anyhow. That's a perfect segue, but what
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  were you anyhow? What were you going to say?
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  Yeah. No, I'm just, I wanted to look
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  up real quick in Daniel what principality that was like I
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  want to say the Prince of Tyre is what it says, but I think I
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  might be wrong. So let me just look that up real
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  quick. All right, it's good.
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  I was listening Rob, where you got into the Jesus and Satan
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  temptation part where Satan was leading him up.
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  You know, the flood story never really caused me to be have any
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  confusion as far as an environmental catastrophe happen
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  to know all over the world. That seems common sense to me,
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  but that the one about Satan and God talking now that always was
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  unusual to me because I'm like, why is this little?
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  Why is this basement dweller telling God he's going to give
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  God cool stuff? I mean, God already owns the
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  universe. So that's always made me scratch
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  my head and I think this will be an interesting topic.
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  I'm glad you brought it up. Yeah, that's the Segway.
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  So you said that it's Persia? Persia, Prince of Persia is too
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  delayed. Gabriel and Michael had to, you
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  know, the Archangel Michael had to come in and handle the Prince
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  of Persia so that Gabriel could deliver the message to Daniel.
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  OK, cool. So that that'll lead.
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  So thanks for that you brought you helped to lead into the
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  Segway Brett caught it and so that's where we are.
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  I moved there that talking about Satan and his control of the
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  things of this world, which I tend to agree with.
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  So we go to the God of this. World yeah, we go to the
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  temptation that we read today in Matthew 4 so it's perfect.
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  I think there's a possibility to answer you, Brett.
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  You know that you said that you were somewhat curious about
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  this, that because Satan doesn't know exactly he does know of
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  this Messiah to come was going to have divine authority because
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  of past Scripture. And thank you, Brandon for
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  mentioning the book of Daniel because it is the book of Daniel
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  that says that it's Daniel. I believe seven that says that
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  Jesus references as he's preaching to say that he is the
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  one come down from heaven from the book of Daniel to be the one
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  who has all authority, the same authority as God, but he comes
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  down from on high and Satan may not have understood.
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  Well, 'cause Satan, like a beast, is colorblind.
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  Yeah, and. Jesus, you know, the repper, you
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  know, Jesus the, the rainbow is, you know, the sign of the
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  covenant. And This is why you know it.
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  When Satan tempts Jesus, he's constantly saying if you're the
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  Son of God, if you're the Son of God, you know, prove it.
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  Yeah, and I, I that's great. And that's why I highlighted the
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  if because this is also the temptation that many people and
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  I know Brett, Brett, you've experienced this a lot.
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  And I have to that many people will say if you are really a
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  Christian, then you you wouldn't do that.
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  Or if you're really Christian, you wouldn't think that you
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  wouldn't say that you. There's a lot of the same
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  satanic condemnation that we see here from Satan to Jesus, as we
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  get from alleged fellow believers.
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  And I think that that this, this story is in here too, to remind
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  us of or to give us a, a lesson, if you will, on how to overcome
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  that, which is simply to remember not to succumb to
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  temptation, not to respond like for like not to get angry, but
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  to simply rely on the word of God, as Jesus does here to get
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  past Satan. What do you think about that?
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  I agree with you, Rob. I agree that unfortunately, I
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  feel sometimes like the devil does use people who label
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  themselves as brothers and sisters and, and whenever they
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  do it, it's it's not a form of love, it's a form of
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  manipulation. It's a form of wanting to
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  devalue you and make you feel little like you're not doing
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  right and you're not good enough for God.
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  So I think that's a a damn fine point you made, Rob.
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  Well, and it's a it, it's the, you know, a house divided cannot
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  stand. And this is the whole, you know,
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  where people don't, you know, in my opinion, greatly
• 1:21:25
  underestimate Satan, as far as like, you know, he doesn't get
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  to be the enemy of God 'cause he's stupid.
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  He's very clever. He's more subtle than any beast
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  in the field. He's wiser than the prophet
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  Daniel. So we know the guy's not dumb.
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  You don't want to play around with them.
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  But I think that this story, I think it shows that he was
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  naive. But this is, you know, again,
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  why I have such a problem with even, you know, the new King
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  James version, because it is, I mean, this is a slick little
• 1:21:57
  trick that people are not paying attention to.
• 1:22:00
  There are huge doctrinal differences even from the King
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  James to the new King James. And even the Bible itself points
• 1:22:09
  out this problem with the preacher Apollos.
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  Now keep in mind, Apollos just came from an Alexandria, Egypt,
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  and he was preaching, you know, he was, he was a saved dude, a
• 1:22:22
  great preacher, But Aquila and Priscilla had to pull them aside
• 1:22:26
  to give him the gospel more perfectly because he just came
• 1:22:30
  from the area where all the Alexandrian manuscripts are that
• 1:22:35
  are tainted, all of them. That's why his gospel was a
• 1:22:38
  little messed up and they had to help correct him.
• 1:22:42
  Where now they're in Antioch, where all of the actual real
• 1:22:46
  Textus Receptus manuscripts are. Boom.
• 1:22:49
  This is why this is an issue and the new King James Version
• 1:22:54
  starts pulling from the Alexandrian manuscripts and even
• 1:22:59
  all of the, you know, codexes and, and Strong's Concordance
• 1:23:05
  are all based off the Alexandrian text.
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  So we're getting a whole lot of confusion because even when you
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  go back and you, well, I looked it up in the Greek and this is
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  what it means. And guess what?
• 1:23:18
  We got deceived folks that you're getting the Alexandrian
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  on those definitions, so. I'll just, I'll refer, I'll
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  I'll, I'll stop that discussion because yeah, we, I don't want
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  to do it every day if you're going to be coming in every day.
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  So Romans 14, except the weaker brother, you know, just just
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  acknowledge the weaker brother and you, you stay in that
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  knowledge, Brandon, and that's fine.
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  And maybe one day you'll convince somebody like me.
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  But let's get back on this that with I believe that Satan was
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  naive. Here.
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  How is that not an issue to you though?
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  Rob I. Not for today, not.
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  OK, but I, I mean, I I just have to, I'm just trying to
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  understand. Because I think that this is
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  perfectly fine word of God, I came to faith reading a
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  different version than the KJV that God can use Balaam's ass to
• 1:24:08
  make a point. He can use any version of the
• 1:24:10
  Bible and you can be happy with just believing that this there's
• 1:24:14
  a perfect word in the KJV and I would submit to you that I that
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  could be Chinese and we haven't we don't even have it yet and
• 1:24:21
  it's going to be in 1000 years. So.
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  This is why Paul, let me just say I'll, I'll land here that
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  you know, Paul did say that we are supposed to be of 1 hope and
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  one doctrine. The Jesus even said you said
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  that if you do not have the doctrine of Christ, you do not
• 1:24:40
  have God. You don't want to go that
• 1:24:42
  direction. So that's why I'm saying this.
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  Is all right, all right, Let let me land the plane here with this
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  by asking you a question. Did Paul have the KJV Bible?
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  No, he is the KJ King James Paul.
• 1:24:55
  Paul is the KJV Bible. The all of these prophets that
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  were inspired by the Holy Spirit, all right, They are a
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  living Bible. They have it.
• 1:25:04
  They were the Bible alive. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:25:07
  Yeah, Paul didn't have it. Saint Francis of Assisi, Jerome.
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  God. Promised he would.
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  Purify. They didn't have it, so let's
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  just let's land the plane there. But let's go back to the idea.
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  I think that Satan was naive here and I don't believe that he
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  when he heard OK, he believed that Jesus was the promise of
• 1:25:27
  Daniel 7 coming down from heaven with all authority, have the
• 1:25:30
  same authority as God, be able to judge the living and the
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  dead. All of these things.
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  But he probably thought as the Jehovah Witness does or a
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  Mormon, I forget which one of them.
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  I think it's Jehovah Witness that Jesus coming down from
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  heaven was no different than him was like the Archangel Michael.
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  I brought up the Jehovah Witnesses, I think.
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  That's what he believed. So, so he, he, he, I think Satan
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  just merely thinks that Jesus is not God.
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  So when he's tempting Jesus, he's trying to destroy the entry
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  of the new covenant to come in through Jesus by getting Jesus
• 1:26:08
  to kill himself in particular to or to just change sides like he
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  did. And that's pretty nice.
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  He didn't know that Jesus was actually, in fact God, I think.
• 1:26:20
  Brett, what do you think he. Might he might actually be on to
• 1:26:23
  something Robin the reason why and this kind of floors some
• 1:26:28
  Trinitarians and discussion, but I don't know if if you go back
• 1:26:32
  right before Jesus is going to deal with Satan.
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  It says that God let LED him up there, that the Spirit LED Jesus
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  up to this, for this. I guess we could call it a test
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  between them. So you could be very absolutely
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  right about that, Rob. Yeah.
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  Jesus was led by the Spirit. Exactly.
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  Yeah. Good.
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  Right there and 1st Corinthians chapter 2 it says if they would
• 1:26:59
  have known he was the Lord of glory, they never would have
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  crucified him. Say that again, Sorry I got a
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  lot. I didn't get to hear that.
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  Yeah, in First Corinthians chapter 2, verses 8 through 10,
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  it says straight up, had the, you know, Princess of the of
• 1:27:16
  this world knew for they had known it, they would not have
• 1:27:21
  crucified the Lord of glory. Right.
• 1:27:24
  So we were, we are naive. The world's just as naive as
• 1:27:27
  Satan was. And if if Satan knew of Jesus
• 1:27:32
  being God, he probably would have had a different plan.
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  Well, this is, and to me, this is where God's kind of
• 1:27:39
  revealing, you know, one of the beasts or Satan's weaknesses is
• 1:27:44
  This is why I described it like color blindness, like hell.
• 1:27:48
  You know, when you go deer hunting, you wear the orange
• 1:27:50
  because the deers can't see orange.
• 1:27:53
  So, you know, same thing, like, you know, Satan can't see orange
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  kind of is what I'm, you know, getting at.
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  And This is why they couldn't see who he was.
• 1:28:05
  And I find it interesting that the devil ends up finding out
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  that he can't. He says that if you were to jump
• 1:28:11
  off, he says to Jesus, jump off. Angels would come if you throw
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  yourself down. God has promised that He shall
• 1:28:22
  give you angels, charge over you and they will help you.
• 1:28:26
  Let you dash like foot on a stone.
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  Right. And then after Jesus gets the
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  victory here in this brief interaction, but it's probably a
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  couple days. I don't know how it worked that
• 1:28:37
  it says angels at that point came to minister him, which was
• 1:28:41
  I like that little add on there that it, that Satan was correct,
• 1:28:48
  but not in that sense because Jesus was not only God, but he
• 1:28:53
  was flesh at the same time, such that if he were to actually jump
• 1:28:57
  off, he could have hurt himself or died.
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  You know, I don't know. It's it's I'm just sort of
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  talking out loud. But I, I think we see that for,
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  for me Jesus. I mean, so Satan is naive here
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  and didn't know the whole story as the people, as you say from
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  First Corinthians 2, they didn't recognize either.
• 1:29:21
  But that was for God's good purposes.
• 1:29:24
  And to go back to the problem of evil that you were talking about
• 1:29:26
  the start bread, that's it is a very evil concept to think of a
• 1:29:32
  father giving away his son to die for the sake of the wicked.
• 1:29:40
  And yet that was the plan that God set in motion all all along.
• 1:29:43
  And it with the resurrection, we can see the story as as a
• 1:29:49
  beautiful culmination of the love story.
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  I think I mean, it's in the sense that we are hardwired to
• 1:29:57
  love that story of dying for the sake of another without
• 1:30:01
  consideration of who you're dying for.
• 1:30:04
  So when, when Harry Potter in the Harry Potter story dies for
• 1:30:08
  the sake of of all of his crew and all the people and all, all,
• 1:30:13
  everyone to destroy the evil Voldemort, we love that story.
• 1:30:18
  And, and we find we make Harry Potter a hero in the same way we
• 1:30:22
  make Superman a hero or all of these other Christ like figures
• 1:30:26
  or like the figures I'm wearing the Lord of the Rings shirt
• 1:30:30
  today, the Tolkien figures that sacrifice themselves for the
• 1:30:33
  sake of others. But, but God did that himself
• 1:30:37
  knowing and hardwiring into us that that story, knowing that we
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  would find that story very satisfactory.
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  And and what do you guys think about that?
• 1:30:47
  Yeah, my, my Internet was breaking up talking dude, so a
• 1:30:51
  lot of that I missed. It's OK.
• 1:30:54
  I was sort of rambling. I'm getting tired, you know, I
• 1:30:56
  think, I think we've, we've gotten what I wanted out of the
• 1:30:59
  story today. Was there anything you guys
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  wanted? I suppose I could respond.
• 1:31:04
  There's another way to look at it too, besides the devil being
• 1:31:07
  naive and the thing, although that is a a fine point that you
• 1:31:11
  made, We could also look at it as the devil was just simply
• 1:31:15
  wanting to get Christ to serve him by doing as he commanded and
• 1:31:19
  asked. I mean, that's the whole thing.
• 1:31:21
  He wanted to be above God and he wanted to serve him.
• 1:31:25
  He wanted to be the, you know, the higher power.
• 1:31:28
  Yeah. But do you want to see something
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  cool that, that, that you know why the book of Job is one of my
• 1:31:34
  favorite books is, you know, a lot of people don't understand
• 1:31:39
  the, the, the, the, the underlying message here, 'cause,
• 1:31:44
  you know, you have all of the sons of God gathered together
• 1:31:48
  in, in God's courtroom and in, in walk Satan, right?
• 1:31:54
  And so now Satan's going to, you know, and God already knows
• 1:31:57
  exactly what he's up to. That's why God immediately says,
• 1:32:01
  what do you think of my servant Job?
• 1:32:03
  Because that's exactly what Satan was there for in the 1st
• 1:32:07
  place. And God already knew it.
• 1:32:10
  And now Satan comes in and says, Hey, y'all?
• 1:32:12
  Well, only because you give him everything he wants.
• 1:32:15
  So if you took everything away, you, he would curse you to your
• 1:32:18
  face. So and if God would have just
• 1:32:20
  said, OK, I'm done with you, get out of my courtroom.
• 1:32:24
  He would leave all of the angels with doubt.
• 1:32:27
  Like why did God just get him out of there?
• 1:32:29
  Why? You know what I mean?
• 1:32:30
  What if Satan is right? What if Satan is actually a
• 1:32:32
  better judge of character than God?
• 1:32:35
  So now God says, OK, I'm going to let you go ahead and do this.
• 1:32:39
  I'm going to let you do all this horrible stuff to Job and watch
• 1:32:43
  God sit there saying you watch Job was never going to turn on
• 1:32:47
  me. I know you idiots don't know.
• 1:32:50
  And God, even when he says to Joe, he never apologizes in any
• 1:32:55
  way when in when the truth of the matter is, you know, God was
• 1:32:59
  defending your character Job during this whole thing and
• 1:33:04
  showing us Bible believers in this day and age and all of the
• 1:33:09
  angels. Don't you ever think that God
• 1:33:12
  doesn't know that man's heart? Don't kid yourself for a second.
• 1:33:17
  Yeah, I don't know how to say welcome.
• 1:33:18
  I didn't get to welcome believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. 777,
• 1:33:22
  Thanks for being here. A Gray one comes in saying, oh,
• 1:33:24
  I'm late. Well, yeah, we actually started
• 1:33:26
  earlier today. So I was going to say it's my
• 1:33:28
  fault because I started at like 7:00 or a little bit after that.
• 1:33:32
  Usually I'm trying to do 7:30 Pacific Time.
• 1:33:34
  So yeah, you watch back. There's good discussion today,
• 1:33:37
  Gray 1. So thanks for being here.
• 1:33:39
  Let's close out with the line from Proverbs, one which I like
• 1:33:43
  that it's at the beginning of the year as the plan is to go
• 1:33:47
  through the whole Bible by December 31st, that we we get
• 1:33:51
  this line from Proverbs. The fear of the Lord is the
• 1:33:54
  beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and
• 1:33:57
  instruction. I think that evermore and today
• 1:34:03
  we have such a hatred of authority and I see it in young
• 1:34:08
  kids and it's getting worse and worse.
• 1:34:10
  And all we do is we foster that, that that is why kids
• 1:34:14
  particularly are getting farther and farther from God and from
• 1:34:18
  instruction, because they're suspicious and leery of any form
• 1:34:27
  authority of authority, including their own parents
• 1:34:30
  actually. So how?
• 1:34:31
  How would they possibly think to look to the Scripture?
• 1:34:35
  I can't believe that you just said all of this because I mean,
• 1:34:38
  this is exactly why I've been so eager to talk with you, Rob,
• 1:34:42
  because you know a little something about contract law and
• 1:34:45
  stuff. And this is what puzzles me, why
• 1:34:50
  you know it, even though a brother like me is coming to you
• 1:34:53
  genuinely and saying, dude, there's huge doctrinal problems
• 1:34:56
  with all of these other Bible versions.
• 1:34:59
  We have to have an authority. That's what's happening to
• 1:35:02
  Christianity Today is there is no authority for doctrine and if
• 1:35:08
  we all have doctrinal differences then we're all going
• 1:35:11
  to just sit here and argue and all of the non believers are
• 1:35:14
  going to go with these idiots. Ain't got it figured out.
• 1:35:17
  That can't be the truth. Well, I I'd just say that even
• 1:35:21
  if we had one version of the Bible that we would still have
• 1:35:25
  doctrinal issues. Yes, some, but believe me, a
• 1:35:28
  great. Deal of On the huge part, we
• 1:35:31
  would still have apostolics. Like for example, yeah, just
• 1:35:37
  Acts 837 real quick, chapter 8, verse 37.
• 1:35:41
  Yeah, I, I don't want to like, deal with this issue every
• 1:35:44
  single time. It's like talking with you,
• 1:35:46
  Brandon. I do appreciate your, Well, give
• 1:35:49
  me well, 'cause it's like it's one track with everything that
• 1:35:52
  we're trying to look at, like without having an underlying
• 1:35:56
  precept as we're reviewing the stuff we like, 'cause when I
• 1:35:59
  talk to Ace, and I love Ace, Theo too, but everything goes
• 1:36:02
  back to universalism. And then talking with you,
• 1:36:05
  everything goes back to the right version.
• 1:36:07
  So you wanted me to go and I'll do this to throw you a bone.
• 1:36:09
  Acts 8. Rob, Rob, may I say something?
• 1:36:12
  One of the reasons why I enjoy listening to you and talking
• 1:36:15
  with you is because you always organize what it is you're going
• 1:36:18
  to talk about. And that's good for a guy like
• 1:36:20
  me because I've got attention deficit disorder and I don't
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  like going all over the damn place.
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  How about picking with the topics?
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  I appreciate you saying but I still I have a tendency to go
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  off too so I'm going. To the Bible issue is the most
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  all. Right, it's acts Acts 8.
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  What? 30 verse 37.
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  All right, let's go. Let me just share this 37
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  because I I'm putting the whole thing in there so we can read
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  context. Then Philip said, if you believe
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  with all your heart, you may, and he answered and said, I
• 1:36:56
  believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God.
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  That's that seems to me to be a very good universal way to get
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  to salvation. Sure, but.
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  That in see, that's why it has that F there is because it's in
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  the footnotes. Not, not in the, not in the new
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  King James. It's right there.
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  Yeah, well, in most. Footnotes.
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  Well, let's see what it says F. But that's, you know, This is
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  why we have a lot of arguments on baptisms and baby baptisms
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  and all of that is because a lot of these versions remove that if
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  thou, if thou believest with all thine heart thou.
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  Mayest well, that's the same thing.
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  This is NKJV and it's I think you need to study the NKJVA
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  little bit more because you you think it's the NIV or something
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  because it's here. The, the line that you said, I
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  think that you wanted me to go there to show that it's not
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  there, it's here. It, it has a footnote to explain
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  to you that it's in there. the IT is found in Western texts,
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  including the Latin tradition. It also happens to be found in
• 1:38:08
  the NKJV. So I think that, again, like I
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  said, if the KJV Bible was the only Bible in English that we
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  had, that there would still be Trinitarians versus Apostolic
• 1:38:20
  Oneness people. There would still be.
• 1:38:22
  And those are key separations. And to me, I don't think that
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  they're salvific. The people just disagree with
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  me. I think that.
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  I mean, I believe that I have brothers and sisters in Christ
• 1:38:32
  who are Apostolic and who believe that Jesus is the
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  Father, Son and Holy Spirit and things that to me don't make
• 1:38:39
  sense based on Scripture, even if I read the NIV.
• 1:38:43
  But that's an aside that I want to get to in order to not not
• 1:38:47
  have Brett say the opposite of what he said.
• 1:38:49
  I want to stand topic. Yeah, I've studied out the the
• 1:38:52
  Bible issue very thoroughly. We'll double check on the NKJV
• 1:38:57
  because that's two times that you thought the NKJV didn't have
• 1:39:01
  a verse that you that that does. But see that what I'm pointing
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  out though, that's why it has that little F there.
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  Yes, now it's sitting in a digital, but I'm telling you.
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  But that's what I love. That's what I love about
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  Christianity versus something like Islam, because we are on a
• 1:39:20
  quest for not only knowledge and truth, but for accuracy.
• 1:39:26
  And what I and what Islam does is a lie and say that the Koran
• 1:39:31
  is the same as it was the day that it was recited to Muhammad.
• 1:39:36
  And we know that there's proof that it absolutely is not
• 1:39:39
  because there's a level of dishonesty in to say it as
• 1:39:43
  respectfully as I can to Muslims.
• 1:39:46
  If somebody happens to be watching dishonesty with the
• 1:39:49
  text. What the NIV does and what this
• 1:39:52
  footnotes do is they are honest to explain to us historically
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  with our word because we don't have the very first Bible.
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  And for to you, in fact, the very first Bible is not even
• 1:40:03
  accurate enough. We had to wait 1600 years to get
• 1:40:06
  it right. So but we are honest.
• 1:40:09
  We are honest with the text and. And so I love that about
• 1:40:15
  Christianity because it is not trying to hide.
• 1:40:18
  In fact, that's the reason for me.
• 1:40:20
  And maybe this is a good place for us to land today.
• 1:40:23
  It's a reason why I feel really comfortable being a Christian
• 1:40:26
  because when I read the Gospels, when I read the stories of David
• 1:40:33
  and Bathsheba and Uriah on the front lines, when I read this
• 1:40:37
  David in the Psalms shouting out happy as he who dashes infants
• 1:40:42
  heads against the rocks and all of these things.
• 1:40:45
  I see the good, the bad and the ugly along with the true message
• 1:40:53
  that it the Bible's trying to convey to us.
• 1:40:56
  When I see the four gospels and then people say, well, there is
• 1:40:59
  there 2 angels at the tomb or is there one.
• 1:41:02
  The bottom line is the same as we talked to tie it into our
• 1:41:05
  discussion today, we talked about the flood myths, you know,
• 1:41:08
  these flood stories that vary the undercurrent of it all, and
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  this is as a lawyer too did auto accidents.
• 1:41:14
  There was never a it was very rare that I'd get multiple
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  witnesses to a single accident and have them each, to me,
• 1:41:22
  exactly the same thing. There'd be disparagement.
• 1:41:25
  It'd be a discrepancy in colors and distances and speed times
• 1:41:31
  and all of these things. But in the end, in that
• 1:41:34
  instance, with an auto accident, there's still an underlying auto
• 1:41:36
  accident. With the flood mythology,
• 1:41:38
  there's still just a flood. It's good evidence of a flood.
• 1:41:41
  And in this case, with the Gospels and a couple variations
• 1:41:44
  in the way the story's told, there's an empty tomb.
• 1:41:47
  So many differences though man, It's.
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  Well, if. You want if you would actually
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  take. All I can tell you, I would
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  encourage you Brandon and I I'm sure it'll go in one ear and out
• 1:41:59
  the other. The I can tell you like I'm
• 1:42:02
  getting edified with the N kg VI studied it with Calvary Chapel
• 1:42:06
  Malibu for 2 1/2 years. I never lost faith and with the
• 1:42:11
  NIVI read and I came to faith reading the NIV Bible.
• 1:42:15
  My pastor, my my the best teacher that I've ever had,
• 1:42:19
  Pastor Dana Hanson when I got baptized, he gave me an NIV
• 1:42:22
  Bible that I read cover to cover and I I only got further in
• 1:42:26
  faith. So I, I would hope that you
• 1:42:28
  would take a look at Paul who you said today, which confused
• 1:42:31
  me. That is, is the KJV Bible.
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  Read Romans 14 in the KJV and Stew on that.
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  And rather than think about food or holidays or Sabbath days or
• 1:42:42
  moon days, try and turn that into food or drink.
• 1:42:46
  Put put Bible translation, replace food and drink with
• 1:42:49
  Bible translation and maybe you'll.
• 1:42:51
  See that in law, in matters of law, is it OK to, for me to take
• 1:42:58
  a, a contract between you and I and then go, right, you know,
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  just take out a few parts of the contract here and there, write
• 1:43:08
  up a completely different contract and then bring this
• 1:43:11
  completely different contract into court to dispute your claim
• 1:43:17
  versus my claim. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:43:19
  It happens all the time There are.
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  And it's not legal. That have that have.
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  Not legal to do that though. There are.
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  Yeah, it is. It's.
• 1:43:27
  Legal for me to go write up a different contract?
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  Let me say this that if there are contracts are written where
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  there is a line that can be interpreted, and this is to
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  perfect for your Bible translations that can be
• 1:43:39
  interpreted ambiguously. There there there are lines that
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  one person, one party can interpret one way and another
• 1:43:45
  party can interpret another way. There are lines in fact, hold
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  on. I know that there are in fact
• 1:43:51
  lines that could be illegal, but the contract could remain
• 1:43:55
  enforceable. And usually it's good.
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  Contract writing is when I've written contracts, and I've
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  written many, to put a provision in there to say that if any one
• 1:44:03
  of these provisions is somehow illegal or against some state
• 1:44:08
  law or something, that the rest still remains fully enforceable,
• 1:44:13
  that those things can be removed from a contract legally by a
• 1:44:19
  judge determining well. I agree with both parties.
• 1:44:22
  Yeah, and then the contract still remains enforceable, the
• 1:44:26
  remainder of it. So the fact of the matter is
• 1:44:29
  that every version of the Bible that I felt comfortable reading
• 1:44:33
  so far is the NK, the NKJV, now the NIV, the KJV, which to me
• 1:44:38
  reads like Shakespeare, gives me a headache.
• 1:44:40
  So that's why I read plain English versions.
• 1:44:42
  They all come to the same contractual conclusion that
• 1:44:46
  Jesus is the way, the truth and the in the life and no one comes
• 1:44:49
  to the Father except through him.
• 1:44:51
  And as it says here, if you believe with all your heart, you
• 1:44:55
  can be baptized your position. There, I actually agree with you
• 1:45:00
  on that as well, Rob. I have a some software crosswalk
• 1:45:04
  bible.com and I look up the many different translations whenever
• 1:45:08
  I'm discussing something to make sure that I'm on the money.
• 1:45:12
  So I think it's fine. I don't see much difference.
• 1:45:15
  The only difference is is that the King James.
• 1:45:18
  There's definitely more Shakespeare, more thou this,
• 1:45:21
  thou that, but it's all the. Same moving the bees and the
• 1:45:25
  vows in that then you start introducing legal ambiguity.
• 1:45:30
  I don't think that there's actually any Christians who are
• 1:45:33
  actually reading the Bible or any of these translations.
• 1:45:36
  If they're actually reading that, there's not really a
• 1:45:38
  difference. The message is the same.
• 1:45:41
  Now you're quite. Really quick now you guys are
• 1:45:44
  claiming then that God chose to preserve his message and not his
• 1:45:49
  word. That's problem.
• 1:45:52
  It's this. It's the same thing.
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  No, it's not the. It is to me because when I say
• 1:45:56
  that the Bible, when I say that the Bible's infallible, I, I
• 1:46:00
  mean it the underlying message and the purposes.
• 1:46:03
  Go to your new King James Version and go to Acts 12 verse
• 1:46:06
  4. Let's see if it.
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  Says we're, we're done. We're done with that question,
• 1:46:10
  Brandon, I feel like we're we're done.
• 1:46:12
  We're done with the discussion. It's we're not going to reach
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  you well. They're not going.
• 1:46:17
  To your your original topic, Rob, if you don't mind me
• 1:46:20
  helping you get it back, back with about children.
• 1:46:23
  Children and children, thank you for joining us.
• 1:46:26
  And I don't mean to be rude, but Brett has a point.
• 1:46:28
  And you're. Interrupting.
• 1:46:30
  No, you just. Want to God bless you Brandon.
• 1:46:33
  Dominate the room is what you want to do.
• 1:46:35
  Yeah, have a good day, guys. Take care, all righty.
• 1:46:38
  So you were talking about children who have basically
• 1:46:41
  disrespected authority. And I've, I've been locked under
• 1:46:45
  that topic. I, I don't mean to be mean, Rob,
• 1:46:48
  but I like your topics and I want to stick with them.
• 1:46:50
  I don't want to go all over the place with whatever that was.
• 1:46:54
  No, no, that's I I think I was about to remove him and he said
• 1:46:58
  he got the message. So Brandon I again to to just
• 1:47:03
  say I respect. I appreciate we, we got to some
• 1:47:05
  good points today with Brandon, But we if it's the same, maybe
• 1:47:10
  Ace Theo knows it would be the same if Ace Theo hasn't come in
• 1:47:13
  here because everything goes to universalism with Ace.
• 1:47:17
  Everything goes to the KJV in this contract thing.
• 1:47:20
  And Brandon, you could be right, brother, but it's it's not
• 1:47:25
  something that you're, I want to focus on more than just what the
• 1:47:29
  right scripture is. I want to focus on what the word
• 1:47:31
  is saying to us, and I think at very least, Brandon, you should
• 1:47:36
  respect that and I hope that you will in the future.
• 1:47:38
  So you. Could always advise too that if
• 1:47:41
  there's anybody out there in the audience that thinks that myself
• 1:47:45
  or Rob is wrong about anything, you're more than welcome to open
• 1:47:49
  up your own live shows and moan and groan for three hours about
• 1:47:52
  it. But I'd like to actually stick
• 1:47:54
  on Rob's topic. He is the host of The Room.
• 1:47:57
  Yeah, and that's OK. We're we're done.
• 1:47:59
  I, I thought, Brett, I really appreciate your, your
• 1:48:01
  contribution. Stay.
• 1:48:02
  It was very, very good. We were blowing smoke at each
• 1:48:06
  other, pray. We were love bombing each other
• 1:48:08
  a little bit. We don't have to love bomb so
• 1:48:09
  much, but I do to continue the love bomb though that I, I do
• 1:48:14
  respect your opinion and I do I, I think that you reason through
• 1:48:19
  stuff and always have, even as an atheist very well.
• 1:48:22
  And I always enjoy speaking to you and listening to you.
• 1:48:25
  So thank you for joining. Do you want to continue on about
• 1:48:29
  the topic about children of authority?
• 1:48:31
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please, that.
• 1:48:32
  That'll be the place where we'll land the plane.
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  Thank you. I think that it's one of the
• 1:48:37
  reasons why young people are having problems with authority
• 1:48:41
  is a lot of parents nowadays are not teaching their children or
• 1:48:45
  guiding them. Sometimes it's not intentional.
• 1:48:48
  Sometimes parents work all day long and they don't have time to
• 1:48:52
  actually give guidance. And they kind of like let the
• 1:48:55
  government as well, well as the schools be the parents for them.
• 1:48:59
  And that's where we're having a problem because the education
• 1:49:02
  system and politics are always going bad.
• 1:49:05
  The kid doesn't have any reason whatsoever to trust the system
• 1:49:09
  anymore. And then they're told they're
• 1:49:11
  going to go into debt if they try to go to college or
• 1:49:13
  universities or anything. So they start losing hope very
• 1:49:17
  young. And I can understand where
• 1:49:19
  they're at on that. Yeah, me too.
• 1:49:22
  And it's, it's because of that, I, I think that there's been a
• 1:49:26
  softening of parenting. There's been a we're, we're not
• 1:49:31
  only afraid to offend each other, which has led to a
• 1:49:35
  substantial amount of the destruction of our social
• 1:49:39
  contract, if you will, but particularly with our children,
• 1:49:42
  you know, to the point where there's rules like you can't
• 1:49:44
  even spank a kid without fear of being called by child support
• 1:49:48
  services it to try and discipline a child.
• 1:49:52
  The, the, we've just gotten so soft.
• 1:49:56
  And in that softness, we have a bunch of kids who are growing up
• 1:50:02
  in a world where they think that there is no truth, that there is
• 1:50:07
  everything's all good. And then whatever Jacuzzi
• 1:50:10
  theology, theology or Jacuzzi, I should say, ideology, you want
• 1:50:15
  to jump in that makes you feel nice and comfortable in the
• 1:50:17
  bubbles. It's all good.
• 1:50:20
  Do do what you want, do what you want.
• 1:50:22
  As long as you feel good about it there, there's nothing,
• 1:50:25
  nothing wrong. And we're seeing that actually
• 1:50:28
  in some of the Christian communities here being led by
• 1:50:31
  agnostics that are focused on the right now, they're focused
• 1:50:38
  very interestingly on, on there not being any absolute truth
• 1:50:42
  that we could be wrong. And that is the undercurrent of
• 1:50:47
  everything. But why would you, why would you
• 1:50:50
  take to a, a, an ideology? Why would you embrace an
• 1:50:56
  ideology if you didn't think it was correct?
• 1:50:57
  Nobody does that. So yeah, in every instance, I
• 1:51:01
  can say everything that I believe.
• 1:51:02
  I could be wrong, I could the Bible could be totally false,
• 1:51:06
  and I could be just a a brain and a VAT connected with tubes.
• 1:51:11
  And then I everything I see, including the Bible's a
• 1:51:14
  simulation, right? Yeah, sure.
• 1:51:17
  But we can't live life like that.
• 1:51:19
  We have to live life with the ability to recognize truth and
• 1:51:25
  to reason through to see if something is justified, if that
• 1:51:30
  our that our opinion of truth on a matter, our belief of truth on
• 1:51:35
  a matter is justified. And when I read the Bible, and
• 1:51:38
  particularly when I read the Old Testament with the messianic
• 1:51:41
  prophecies into the New Testament, the fabric stitches
• 1:51:45
  together so nicely for me that I cannot help but conclude that
• 1:51:49
  everything that we're told, the underlying messages we talked
• 1:51:52
  about today in the New Testament, that Jesus is the
• 1:51:55
  promised Messiah who was not only just some man or an Angel
• 1:51:58
  coming from outer space or wherever he came from, but that
• 1:52:01
  he's God manifest in the flesh. And he came to earth to
• 1:52:06
  reconcile his ultimate creation with it, to bring in his
• 1:52:10
  ultimate plan of relationship with that creation.
• 1:52:14
  And it's a beautiful love story. And it's the love story that I
• 1:52:16
  want to share with everyone who doesn't.
• 1:52:18
  I know it in hopes that I can tell them that I believe that to
• 1:52:22
  be the truth. Like that line that Jesus says I
• 1:52:24
  am the way, the truth and the life.
• 1:52:26
  Jesus doesn't say I could be wrong, right?
• 1:52:30
  Exactly. And as far as people who go on
• 1:52:34
  about, you know, these people who take on like either nihilism
• 1:52:38
  or agnosticism where they say there can't be any absolute
• 1:52:40
  truth. I mean, I'm, you know me, I'm
• 1:52:43
  snarky. I say, well, if you don't have
• 1:52:45
  any truth and why am I listening to you?
• 1:52:47
  Right, right, exactly. That's the the I did have a
• 1:52:50
  conversation with that particular agnostic and that was
• 1:52:53
  ultimately the point I made, which is like if, if, why, why
• 1:52:57
  would I listen to anyone that just says, you know, here,
• 1:53:00
  here's here's what you should do, here's how you should think
• 1:53:03
  I could be wrong. OK, You know, I mean it's.
• 1:53:07
  Easy, Rob, to just sit back and tell somebody that everything
• 1:53:11
  they think is wrong. We'll give an explanation,
• 1:53:14
  explain why it's not a truth. See, I believe that humans, not
• 1:53:18
  just religiously, spiritually, but even on a scientific level,
• 1:53:22
  we need structure, we need to have morals and ethics.
• 1:53:26
  We need to have goals to move towards.
• 1:53:28
  If we don't, then what is the value of life?
• 1:53:31
  Life and existence. None at all.
• 1:53:33
  And that's why I said fools despise wisdom and instruction.
• 1:53:37
  And so I see in these people that we're we're alluding to
• 1:53:42
  that they don't have authority. They don't want authority.
• 1:53:45
  They are their authority and what they believe they can never
• 1:53:49
  consider. So like when Brandon talked to
• 1:53:52
  me, I'll I'll consider it. It just, it makes no sense to me
• 1:53:57
  that, for instance, we were without a written word of God, a
• 1:54:02
  contract if you will, for 1600 years after Jesus's death.
• 1:54:06
  Makes no sense for for to me for a Christian to say that because
• 1:54:10
  1600 years is a long time. And that's Islam's position as
• 1:54:16
  well. And they were 600 years.
• 1:54:19
  So I would I should I trust Islam because it's closer in
• 1:54:23
  time to Jesus? Although they changed the story
• 1:54:26
  because it came 1000 years before King James was born.
• 1:54:30
  I I don't think that it's possible for Christians, Jews or
• 1:54:35
  anybody including atheists to put any trust into Islam.
• 1:54:39
  They're taught to kill Christians and people of non
• 1:54:43
  beliefs and all that. And they're also encouraged that
• 1:54:46
  in times of war, which they think it's always war time, that
• 1:54:49
  they can lie. And as long as their religion
• 1:54:52
  teaches that, they're nothing more than a death cult to me.
• 1:54:55
  Yeah, and I would agree. It's the Quran specifically says
• 1:54:59
  that Jews and Christians are the worst of all creatures.
• 1:55:03
  It's hard to reconcile that and say, hey brother, come to
• 1:55:07
  dinner, right? Yeah, it's, I've even, I've
• 1:55:12
  attempted many times, even talked to what they call
• 1:55:15
  moderates and they all want Suria law, even though they
• 1:55:18
  sound more civilized and sophisticated.
• 1:55:21
  I can't be under Suria law. It would be terrible for women
• 1:55:25
  and children. And and of course, if you
• 1:55:27
  disagree, you're going to be without a head.
• 1:55:30
  So no, thank you for that. Right.
• 1:55:32
  And that's, it's a tough thing because in the end, even those
• 1:55:36
  who say, well, you know, I don't know about Sharia law and, and
• 1:55:42
  bringing that in, I've, I've heard Muslims say, oh, no,
• 1:55:45
  that's not our motivation. And that's great.
• 1:55:47
  But it might be the truth. It might be people that that's,
• 1:55:50
  that believe, well, Islam's a religion of peace.
• 1:55:53
  And when we take over, it's not going to, you know, you can do
• 1:55:56
  what you want to do, and we'll do what we want to do, No.
• 1:55:59
  Rob, as we speak, they're actually killing innocent
• 1:56:03
  Iranians right now in the street that are trying to take down the
• 1:56:07
  regime. Now they're not.
• 1:56:09
  They're not at peace at all. Yeah, the world is a is an
• 1:56:12
  interesting place and you see it's as we started and we'll
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  bookend it, that it is us. It's the human that brings
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  through evil and based on simple ideology and under the name of
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  God in some cases, as you're saying, which makes it even
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  sadder. There are people killing other
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  people as we speak right now, and that evil is being committed
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  by humans. It's being allowed by God, and
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  that is a great mystery. But again, I say as planting, it
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  says in The Problem of Evil. This is a book that I recommend,
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  but it's very difficult. It was hard for me to process
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  and I'm not even on it. For sure.
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  It's not sure that I did that. It is impossible.
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  Planting. It comes to the conclusion it's
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  impossible for God to have created a world, any given world
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  that included human free will, and not have evil occur because
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  the free will enables us to choose to do what is right, that
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  we can feel written on our hearts or not.
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  And that's interesting. Yeah, I think that the paradigm
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  that Christians find themselves in, how you doing this, Smokey
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  St. The paradigm that we find
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  yourself in, Rob, is that we want to serve Christ and love
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  our enemies and do unto others. But we have to remember God
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  never told us that we need to be a punching bag and fall on our
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  own sword. We have to draw a line and say,
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  look, you, you can't just come into our lands and then take
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  over. That's the reason why the
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  Crusades happen. A lot of atheists like to bring
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  that up. But if someone tried to come
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  into their home and take everything from them, would they
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  not fight back? Would they not do what they need
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  to do? And the Old Testament even shows
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  that when people tried to take land, eventually God said, all
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  right, they're not going to stop, and I don't want you to
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  die. So get in there and take those
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  jackasses out. You know it is what it is.
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  Yep, Yep. And so I, I think that's the
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  great, one of the greatest things about Judeo-christian
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  philosophy is also its potential downfall if we are too liberal
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  with it, is that, yes, we want a world where people can exist
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  together with different theologies, different
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  ideologies, but it's never at the expense of that philosophy.
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  I'm trying to reason it correctly.
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  In other words, if one of your theologies or your ideologies
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  contradicts that, we need to fight against that.
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  And it, Islam has to, happens to be exactly that, that if an
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  Islamic regime, if Islamic theology takes over, then there
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  are not the judeo-christian freedoms that we have been given
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  that exists in the Western world.
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  There it it is not to choose God.
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  It is you must obey Allah, our God, the Islam God.
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  And that is something that's very dangerous that we need to
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  be very cognizant of. But there's a tide turning and
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  the only way that you can fight those things is to, is to gain
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  knowledge. And I think it is, it is
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  incumbent upon every Christian. And it's starting to happen.
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  And I can see it and it's beautiful, particularly on
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  YouTube. And it's starting to spread out
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  because you'll see folks on Piers Morgan and these other
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  places starting to talk about the problems with Islam that it
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  is incumbent upon us to learn. So we got to read these things.
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  We've got to. And so I, I'll try and mix some
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  of that in. I, it's still my intention.
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  I did a video on the Islamic dilemma, but we need to follow
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  look up the Islamic dilemma. I tell my Christian brothers and
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  sisters and and see and just know that argument.
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  And the argument is that in in both instances, if if the Bible
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  is true like that Islam says that Bible or the a Muslim says
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  today that the Bible's corrupt. If that is true, then the Quran
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  is false. And because it affirms our
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  previous scriptures and never says that it's corrupt.
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  And at the same time, if the Bible is not corrupt our
• 2:00:24
  scripture, it says that Jesus was crucified, died and was
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  buried and the Koran denies that specifically and which would
• 2:00:33
  also mean that the Quran is false.
• 2:00:35
  So the Quran is an Islam itself is in a catch 22 because it's
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  wrong either way. And the only way we can argue
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  that and present it to a Muslim in hopes that they'll gain the
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  knowledge and have the fear of the Lord as the beginning of
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  knowledge, as we read today, is to know that basic kind of
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  thing. And, and a couple of verses I
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  would tell you to look in Surah 3 and Surah 5, particularly
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  Surah 5 for those kind of arguments and factoids.
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  We'll close with Miss Smokey St. saying fun fact, when modern
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  Muslims are surveyed about their actual beliefs, they are
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  actually aligned with extremism. That's scary and it's really,
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  really sad. But the way to try, yeah, to try
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  and correct that is to is to teach and hope that if a Muslim
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  that we encounter and who happens to be a person of peace,
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  they really, really love God and trust in God.
• 2:01:29
  They will see the contradiction of the holy book of Islam and
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  come to the way, the truth and the life, recognizing Jesus not
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  just as a prophet, which he was, not just as a man, which he was,
• 2:01:41
  but as the God manifest in the flesh, the way, the truth and
• 2:01:45
  the life. Who is the only way, as he said,
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  the only way. There's He's the way to get to
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  the Father, to get to God, to get to an Arabic Allah.
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  You want me to point out something neat to you?
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  Neat for you if you ever run into a Muslim?
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  Yeah, well, a lot of Muslims like to push the idea that they
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  respect Jesus and that he was nothing more than a man, that he
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  wasn't even crucified. But check this out.
• 2:02:13
  Did you know that there's even passages that imply that he was
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  executed and #2 they actually believe he was born of a virgin.
• 2:02:22
  So he was nothing more than a man.
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  Then why did he have the divine birth?
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  Why did he have the Immaculate birth for if he was nothing more
• 2:02:29
  than a human? It goes even farther than that
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  because do you know where Jesus is right now in Islam theology?
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  Well, they would. I would suspect that they would
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  have to believe that he would be dead.
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  But I think on a philosophical level, they believe that he's
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  actually with God. He's with the father, he's with
• 2:02:49
  Allah. They wouldn't call him the
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  father because the Quran actually specifically says that
• 2:02:56
  that Allah is a father to no one he's with currently.
• 2:03:00
  He is with an Islamic theology with God, in other words, at the
• 2:03:06
  right hand, presumably right? Which is so it.
• 2:03:10
  That's interesting in and of itself.
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  Jesus is the special beyond Muhammad because Muhammad's in
• 2:03:15
  the grave the the the Islam. A Muslim believes that Jesus is
• 2:03:20
  with God right now, waiting for the moment, not only what you
• 2:03:24
  said about him being the Messiah and born of the virgin.
• 2:03:26
  They actually believe that Jesus is going to come again to judge
• 2:03:29
  the living and the dead. How about that?
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  Yeah, that definitely shows that he's not just a normal man.
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  Even in their own stuff, a lot of Christians should actually.
• 2:03:38
  I know some Christians are like, well, if it's not in the Bible,
• 2:03:41
  I'm not going to read it. If you want to understand your
• 2:03:44
  opponent through your enemy, knowledge is power.
• 2:03:47
  You guys need to sit down sometime.
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  I know Rob has obviously studied it, but for people out there
• 2:03:53
  listening, you need to read the information.
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  That way you know what you're dealing with before it's too
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  late. Yeah, Amen.
• 2:04:00
  And yeah, it could be too. One day it will be.
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  And I know I saw a good news gospel in the chat.
• 2:04:05
  God bless you, Bill. Thanks for being here.
• 2:04:07
  Happy New year. If I haven't said it so far, I'm
• 2:04:09
  going to put that down below, which is from our reading today,
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  Proverbs one, verse 7. That's the goal.
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  And if we fear the Lord, and that isn't like it's a healthy
• 2:04:20
  fear, it's an acknowledgement of God who has the ability, as we
• 2:04:25
  read today with Noah, to just destroy all things, but he's
• 2:04:29
  promised not to. So that awe that we have of God
• 2:04:34
  it we owe it to him as one of our ways to worship him by not
• 2:04:38
  only singing music, which I love to do writing music as I love to
• 2:04:42
  do. I know you do too Brett, but to
• 2:04:44
  in our choices worship him and one of the greatest ways to
• 2:04:49
  choose God and to choose to be in relationship with him is to
• 2:04:54
  read the scripture. So I encourage everyone watching
• 2:04:58
  to continue to join me on this journey tomorrow, hopefully in
• 2:05:03
  the morning about 7:30 or so, it it has to be between 7:00 and
• 2:05:07
  7:30 Pacific Time. We'll be back reading the word
• 2:05:09
  again. And so Brett, on that note, I
• 2:05:12
  appreciate you joining me. It was very, very edifying
• 2:05:15
  discussion for me today. So thank you for being here and
• 2:05:18
  I hope to talk with you soon. Well, Rob, it's good for me too,
• 2:05:21
  I believe it or not. I know some people out there
• 2:05:24
  think I'm a wise old Hobbit over here, but it's good for me to
• 2:05:28
  have fellows. Jeff.
• 2:05:29
  It really it helps me and fills my cup as well.
• 2:05:34
  If you don't mind, I would like to ask permission after this
• 2:05:37
  video renders. May I put it up on GOD TV Radio?
• 2:05:41
  Sure. Yeah, you could.
• 2:05:43
  You could take any of it if you think that it's worthwhile or
• 2:05:45
  clip it. You know, clip because there's
• 2:05:47
  some parts I have a tendency to ramble, so feel free to add it.
• 2:05:50
  No, I think it's all good man. That's why I'm asking you
• 2:05:53
  permission. I don't like you've.
• 2:05:55
  Got it, you've got it. You're not a turnip.
• 2:05:58
  That's an inside joke. You don't know.
• 2:06:00
  So God bless you and your family, Brett.
• 2:06:02
  Have a happy new year and I I hope that we'll be doing some
• 2:06:05
  more studies together. And on that note, we're, we're
• 2:06:12
  done. I think that I'm going to, I
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  think we're going to end with a song that I enjoy called We're
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  the disciples, if I still have it on here, which is how we
• 2:06:21
  sharpen iron. We, we gain knowledge, we read
• 2:06:25
  the scriptures and we hope with the indwelling of the Holy
• 2:06:29
  Spirit that we have that Lovejoy, peace, kindness,
• 2:06:34
  self-control, peace that surpasses all understanding.
• 2:06:38
  That's the the goal. And there's not enough of that.
• 2:06:41
  I don't see that in Christian circles that I happen to inhabit
• 2:06:45
  here. So I'm hoping to, with the help
• 2:06:48
  of God, to be a source of that kind of peace here.
• 2:06:52
  And the only way we really can do is just kind of absorb, try
• 2:06:55
  not to get into conflict on the isms and the Bible versions and
• 2:07:01
  all that stuff. Let's just let the word.
• 2:07:03
  And if you think that in a given reading, that's why I'm asking
• 2:07:07
  you. For instance, if you're KJV only
• 2:07:12
  to read the the next day's, you can go to the Bible app, the
• 2:07:17
  links in the description, read the next day's Scripture.
• 2:07:22
  And then when you hear me read it in KGV.
• 2:07:25
  Tell me where there's this horrific difference that totally
• 2:07:31
  changes the message. And I suspect that we're not
• 2:07:35
  going to find it. But you know, that's my little
• 2:07:38
  presupposition there. But I, I'm, I want to learn and
• 2:07:42
  I don't know everything. And this is one of the ways that
• 2:07:45
  it with reasonable discussion that I can be edified and to be
• 2:07:51
  corrected, certainly, possibly at the same time.
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  Thank you for joining. This is we're the disciples.
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  This is the message in this underlying song that if we work
• 2:08:02
  together, we can lead others to the feet of the cross.
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  God bless. And we'll see you tomorrow, 7:00
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  to 7:30, maybe more like 715 Pacific Standard Time with the
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  next reading. Take care.