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Mini: Car-Sick · Why We Do What We Do

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  Speaker 2: M h yeah. And so today we're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about carsickness, which is a thing that I suffer from.
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  Speaker 1: we need to preamble before we start?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think we're good.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, welcome everybody. Car sickness, motion sickness, that's
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  Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Car sickness isn't actually isolated to cars,
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  Speaker 1: and you could argue it's not really a sickness, but
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  Speaker 1: I digress a little. We're to talk about motion sickness
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  Speaker 1: sickness argument aside, and which is when we are in
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  Speaker 1: a moving vehicle or perceived to be moving and we
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  Speaker 1: experience as part of this symptoms of nausea, dizziness, headache, fatigue,
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  Speaker 1: heavy breathing, sweating, irritation, and or excessive salivating.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going to unpack why it happens and
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  Speaker 2: what you can do about it. I'm so excited about
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  Speaker 2: this because I am somebody who suffers from this greatly.
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  Speaker 2: The first night I ever went on a cruise, I
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  Speaker 2: slept on the bathroom floor of the cruise because I
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  Speaker 2: was so sickikes from the moment the boat touched the
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  Speaker 2: water and we went off I went, oh, no, so
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  Speaker 2: I was sick. And then also Ben Affleck Daredevil was
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  Speaker 2: playing in the background NonStop, so it was a really
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  Speaker 2: terrible experience.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that was actually the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to watch Colin Ferrell be Bullseye for
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  Speaker 2: an hour and a half and I just was like, no, thanks,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't enough.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, I think we're ready to really dig
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  Speaker 1: into our topic. Then the experience of feeling motion sick
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  Speaker 1: arises when we I guess receive as the word, when
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  Speaker 1: we have contradictory and unexpected sensory information, and specifically, we
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  Speaker 1: can perceive that things around us are moving past us,
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  Speaker 1: but at the same time, we're not exerting very much
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  Speaker 1: effort to move, so our own locomotion is not causing
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  Speaker 1: those things to pass us. And what happens is we
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  Speaker 1: with that disconnect between the facts that we're moving, but
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  Speaker 1: we're not compelling ourselves. We are experiencing both standing still
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  Speaker 1: and moving simultaneously, and our bodies don't like that very much.
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  Speaker 3: No, it does not.
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  Speaker 2: The conflicting information from our eyes, inner ear, muscles, and
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  Speaker 2: joints can be disorienting and results in the symptoms we
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  Speaker 2: listed at the beginning of the episode. And as we mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: this is common when we're traveling in vehicles, cars, planes,
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  Speaker 2: and boats mostly, but this can also be experienced on
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  Speaker 2: a music part rides for sure, and particularly immersive VR
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  Speaker 2: experiences also for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they can elicit the exact same thing. And again,
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  Speaker 1: you're sort of standing still, but you are receiving visual
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  Speaker 1: information that you are and sometimes the stimular information that
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  Speaker 1: you are moving. Now, this idea that it's the disconnect
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  Speaker 1: between the sensor information we're receiving and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: we're not actually propelling ourselves. That is the prevailing theory
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  Speaker 1: about why this happens. There are actually a couple other
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  Speaker 1: theories I'll go ahead and just unpack really quickly. So
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  Speaker 1: ecological theory about why we experience motion sickness. It attempts
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  Speaker 1: to account for motion sickness as a loss of or
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  Speaker 1: failure of controlling one's posture. So their argument essentially is
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  Speaker 1: if you have better posture, you will be able to
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  Speaker 1: alleviate the symptoms of motion sickness. It has to do
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  Speaker 1: with how our bodies are oriented in space. Another one
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  Speaker 1: is evolutionary theory, and this accounts for motion sickness as
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  Speaker 1: an adaptive trait that may have developed from our body's
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  Speaker 1: reaction to such things as like venom or poisons, because
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  Speaker 1: those can have a similar effect where we feel like
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  Speaker 1: there's a disconnect between the movement we're seeing, because we
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  Speaker 1: can have the experience of sort of a visually shifting
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  Speaker 1: environment and our body stains still that's a result of poison,
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  Speaker 1: and so our body attempts to rectify that by purging
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  Speaker 1: the poison, causing us to.
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  Speaker 3: Vomit and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's sort of like the evolutionary hypothesis or
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  Speaker 1: theory suggests that this dizziness or disconnect that we feel
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  Speaker 1: is why we have those symptoms of feeling nauseous and
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  Speaker 1: wanted to vomit, And the ecological theory is that our
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  Speaker 1: bodies are positioned in such a way that it's that
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  Speaker 1: is what causes the disconnect. As possible that all three
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  Speaker 1: of these things have some aspect of accuracy to them,
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  Speaker 1: but the most common prevailing theory is that it is
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  Speaker 1: the disconnect itself that is why our bodies struggle with
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  Speaker 1: those experiences and tend to result then in us vomiting.
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  Speaker 1: And I kind of wondered, you know, all of these
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  Speaker 1: feel like they have testable hypotheses, and I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: look this up, but I didn't actually bother to do so.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm like, this would suggest that people who are
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  Speaker 1: riding bicycles or are running or otherwise propelling themselves should
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  Speaker 1: be unlikely to ever experience any motion sickness. Sure, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't look to see if there's any research on this,
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  Speaker 1: but it feels intuitively correct to me. I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like I've ever heard of anyone reporting mentioning that they
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  Speaker 1: experienced motion sickness while they were running or riding a bicycle.
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  Speaker 1: Bicycle might be more possible because you could technically be
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  Speaker 1: stationary if you like going downhill, you know your body
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  Speaker 1: is not really moving but you're flying through space. But running,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, is just impossible. I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: you could ever experience motion sickness and running. I could
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  Speaker 1: be wrong, but I'm sure someone will write in it
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  Speaker 1: and tell me. Yeah, But it feels like that's a
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  Speaker 1: very testable hypothesis, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know I've had the feeling of that on,
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  Speaker 2: like something that I wasn't in control of. I know
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  Speaker 2: that I get it in the cars. I mostly get
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  Speaker 2: it when I listen to ads, though. Okay, so we
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  Speaker 2: are continuing to talk about motion sickness, and we've kind
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  Speaker 2: of established the maybe some theories around this. But it
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  Speaker 2: is most commonly experienced in children ages two to twelve,
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  Speaker 2: but can also happen to people who are pregnant, have
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  Speaker 2: family history of motion sickness, have inner ear disorders, migraine, headaches, Parkinson's,
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  Speaker 2: and reportedly menstruation. Also, of note, being dizzy is not
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  Speaker 2: the same as motion sickness, although they share a lot
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  Speaker 2: of common features.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you might be dizzy in but not necessarily be
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  Speaker 1: motion sick And of course we say it's most commonly
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  Speaker 1: experienced in ages two to twelve, but I mean that
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  Speaker 1: just means that, that means specifically that sentence that people
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  Speaker 1: outside of the age range can experience it. Just that's
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  Speaker 1: where it happens the most often. So you can fully
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  Speaker 1: be an adult as Shane is and get motion sickness.
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  Speaker 2: Oh God, I get it all the time too.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: There is not a formal diagnostic test for motion sickness,
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  Speaker 1: but if you get sick when in motion, you're probably
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  Speaker 1: experiencing it right most of the time, it clears up
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  Speaker 1: on its own once you once or shortly after you
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  Speaker 1: stop moving. So once you're able to get off the plane,
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  Speaker 1: boat car, or roller coaster, give a little time, it'll
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  Speaker 1: usually come back to normal without too much time afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: Some people will last longer than others, but usually once
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  Speaker 1: you stop the thing you're in stops moving, then it
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  Speaker 1: will subside.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's accurate.
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  Speaker 2: Now in the moment, you can help relieve the symptoms
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  Speaker 2: of motions likeness by getting fresh air or directing air
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  Speaker 2: vents into your face. If you can't get fresh air,
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  Speaker 2: you can lie down drink ginger tea or ginger ale, which,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, is like a panacea. Ginger ale. It
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  Speaker 2: cures everything. It seems to right, ginger ale price is right,
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  Speaker 2: You're good. That's a millennial cure. Also, you can direct
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  Speaker 2: your gaze at something far off in the distance that
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  Speaker 2: isn't moving, at least moving very much in relation to you.
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  Speaker 2: Peppermint or ginger candies help. And some people are susceptible
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  Speaker 2: to the placebo effect created by bracelets or glasses that
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  Speaker 2: actually do nothing but make convince you that they do
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  Speaker 2: and actually work in that way. So those motion sickness
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  Speaker 2: glasses that have like the water that like the levels
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  Speaker 2: that have you seen those where it's like that's what
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about, right, Yeah, that is a.
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  Speaker 3: But I've never really seen or warn them or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they don't do anything for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they can do something insofar as you
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  Speaker 1: want to believe that they do something and therefore they
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  Speaker 1: do something. I mean, it'd be the same thing as
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  Speaker 1: like they work the exact same way that like a
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  Speaker 1: topaz crystal would work. Like if you're like, I believe
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  Speaker 1: this will cure me of my emotion sickness, and you
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  Speaker 1: put in your pocket and you don't get sick.
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  Speaker 3: Same thing.
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  Speaker 1: If you're wearing a giant sun visor, you can put
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  Speaker 1: it another hat on top of that and you'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: that's the one that's protecting me from the sun and
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  Speaker 1: be like sure whatever, Like right, I guess if that
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  Speaker 1: makes you feel better, then okay. You can wear your
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  Speaker 1: favorite colored T shirt if you believe that that helps
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  Speaker 1: you not get motion sickness. And if that if that
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  Speaker 1: placebo effect works.
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  Speaker 3: Same thing.
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  Speaker 1: The bracelets and the glasses, your favorite colored T shirt
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  Speaker 1: all they all work the same way. But the other
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  Speaker 1: things that we mentioned, Peppermans, ginger candies, those can help.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, the if you are specifically focusing your vision
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  Speaker 1: on things that are like passing you by, Like that'll
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  Speaker 1: actually make it worse. Like you want to try and
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  Speaker 1: see something that's off in the distance that does not
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  Speaker 1: exacerbate the experience of motion, So it's like, does not
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  Speaker 1: seem to be moving very much relative to you, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think I really need to say this,
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  Speaker 1: but just in case, I'm going to say it. Don't
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  Speaker 1: stare at the sun. Yeah, that will look like it's
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  Speaker 1: not moving, but that will cause other problems. So find
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  Speaker 1: something besides a giant a super super bright source of light. Yes, agreed, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you can't do a lot to prevent motion sickness, but
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  Speaker 1: there are some strategies for different vehicles that can help
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  Speaker 1: or help alleviate it if it's on set. So for boats,
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  Speaker 1: they recommend moving toward the middle of the boat, and
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  Speaker 1: they generally say you want to be like as close
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  Speaker 1: to the water as possible, so a lower level toward
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  Speaker 1: the middle that has that reduces like how much motion
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  Speaker 1: you're really experiencing. On buses, they recommend sitting next to
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  Speaker 1: the window, and cars they recommend the front passenger seat,
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  Speaker 1: assuming you're not the one driving. In a plane, they
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  Speaker 1: recommend the wings section. I believe this is because it
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  Speaker 1: helps block your view of some of the things that
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  Speaker 1: are moving, but I'm not one hundred percent sure that's the rationale.
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  Speaker 1: And then on trains they recommend a forward facing windows seat.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course, behaviorally you can habituate to this. There
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  Speaker 2: are actually places you can go to build a habituation
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  Speaker 2: to motions that you might experience that would otherwise cause
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  Speaker 2: motion ticckness, like mock roller coasters, cars, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: You can also distract yourself while in motion, and this
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  Speaker 2: can help reduce the experience of motion tickness as well.
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  Speaker 2: For me, I know that I taking big deep breaths
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  Speaker 2: can really help, kind of like I can focus on
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  Speaker 2: something that's not the nausea. Also, don't read or look
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  Speaker 2: at a screen while I'm traveling. That is something that
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  Speaker 2: really makes a difference for me. So, yeah, unless I'm
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  Speaker 2: on a plane, I can read on a plane, but
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  Speaker 2: I can't read in a car. So's those are just
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  Speaker 2: a couple of things that I've noticed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly it is. Like distraction in this case
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  Speaker 1: does not mean a screen of some sort or a book.
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  Speaker 1: Those actually can make things worse. But as you said it,
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  Speaker 1: in a plane, I think you have the benefit that
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  Speaker 1: you it's easier for you to block out how salient
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  Speaker 1: the motion is, so it's easier I think, to read
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  Speaker 1: and look at a screen on a plane, but in
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  Speaker 1: cars and boats, like, you're really close to where the
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  Speaker 1: movement is happening, and so the juxtaposition of your eyes
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  Speaker 1: are like reading something that's still while motion is flashing
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  Speaker 1: past your perperal vision. And you can also probably feel
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  Speaker 1: yourself being shifted about as gravity sort of moves and
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  Speaker 1: inertia pulls you one way or the other. So other
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  Speaker 1: distractions can help, but reading in screens can be particularly
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  Speaker 1: bad for motion sickness, so avoid those, and by places
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  Speaker 1: you can go, they're like clinics that specialize in this.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, if you go, you can find places where
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  Speaker 1: they're like, we'll help you habituate to motions, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: that it doesn't bother you as much, and they basically
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  Speaker 1: just put you through like desensitization procedures. But all this
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  Speaker 1: is to say you can essentially help yourself get used
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  Speaker 1: to it by doing it a lot, and you can
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  Speaker 1: obviously take medications such as antihistamines. Dramamine is a really
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  Speaker 1: popular one. Yeah, sure, yeah, it'll it'll it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: And patches such as scope lamine I think is how
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  Speaker 1: you say that are also really popular for helping to
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  Speaker 1: prevent the nausea part of it at least.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I have to take dramamine whenever I go on roller
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  Speaker 2: coasters because like, some roller coasters just really mess me up.
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  Speaker 2: Like I've noticed too, like roller coasters is that just
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  Speaker 2: go straight, you know, they can go fast, they can
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  Speaker 2: move a certain way, but the car stays straight. Not
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  Speaker 2: a problem. The ones where the car turns or like
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  Speaker 2: the actual scene spin changes to a spin. Oh those
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  Speaker 2: get me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Guardians of the Galaxy ride is the coolest roller
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  Speaker 2: coaster I've ever been on. Yeah, but it makes me
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  Speaker 2: so sick because the cars spin while you're traveling, so
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  Speaker 2: like almost like you're drifting around turns, the like Farers.
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  Speaker 1: They'll have that one where you like you get pressed
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  Speaker 1: up against the wall and those like sort of uh
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  Speaker 1: it's like the Gravitron.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it spins really fast. That is the worst for me. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'll ever go on one again.
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  Speaker 3: They're so bad.
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  Speaker 2: That was my favorite ride as a kid, and that
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  Speaker 2: made me so sick. The last time I was honest,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, why does anybody do this?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's exactly the same. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So a quick fun fact, we want to share the
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  Speaker 2: word nas naus, not nas the rapper nas, but naus
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  Speaker 2: is Greek four ship and forms the root of nausea
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  Speaker 2: and nautical. It makes sense that one of the only
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  Speaker 2: ways to get motion sickness back then would have been
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  Speaker 2: on a boat. So it's cultural selection at its finest.
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  Speaker 2: It's why the word is carried on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so fun fun stuff there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's what I have to say about
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  Speaker 1: car sickness or motion sickness, what have you. If you'd
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm missing something. Is there anything you
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  Speaker 1: wrap up this Mini? Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Be well, folks, just be well.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, go forth and be not motion sick as much
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  Speaker 3: as possible. Yes, I think that's it. Then, thank you
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