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Latest Interview of Elon Musk's with Peter Diamandis! Optimus is coming... · Elon Musk Thinking

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  Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon Musk audience.
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  Speaker 2: And as you can see, I'm still trying to monetize hope.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you look like you're in great shape.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing great last time, like.
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  Speaker 1: A sort of use them things going on or what.
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  Speaker 3: It's Uh, it's our longevity X prize.
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  Speaker 2: We're we're getting there, but we're getting there, and I
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  Speaker 2: think I think in our last conversation, Uh, you're getting
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  Speaker 2: on board with the idea of extended longevity.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, uh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay that some degree.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, like I don't know if we want to
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  Speaker 4: ever want to live or whatever, but I think, uh,
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  Speaker 4: health spend and not you know, having an extended period
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  Speaker 4: of senescence where you're just grueling on yourself sounds.
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  Speaker 1: Like a good idea. We won't to avoid that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, first off, congratulations on the merger of SpaceX and
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  Speaker 2: x AI ball or move us going to power humanity's
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  Speaker 2: first dicense WARM. So I'm curious, truly truly is uh,
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  Speaker 2: what's your timeline for launching these data centers and how
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  Speaker 2: much bandwidth do you think you can get in the
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  Speaker 2: first year. Give us a sense of the speed at
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  Speaker 2: which you're going to be making this happen.
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  Speaker 4: Uh. Yeah, so SpaceX is has space space x is
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  Speaker 4: in the quiet period. I can't actually tell you things
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  Speaker 4: that would cause the problems.
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, oh, I'll leave it.
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  Speaker 3: I'll leave it that.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that, but I can't wait for uh for
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  Speaker 2: the speed. You know, we had a conversation here on
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  Speaker 2: Monday with with Eric Schmidt uh and with one of
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  Speaker 2: the leads from one of the other hyper scalers I
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  Speaker 2: mentioned who. But I'm curious where you feel we are
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  Speaker 2: in recursive self improvement?
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  Speaker 3: Are we there?
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  Speaker 2: Do you see rock doing recursive self improvement at this point?
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  Speaker 2: And how what's the timeline for a G I and
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  Speaker 2: a S I give us a sense of that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we've been in recursive improvement for a
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  Speaker 4: while here. You say it's because if you mean by
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  Speaker 4: like recursive self improvement without a human.
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  Speaker 1: In the loop, is that what you mean?
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  Speaker 2: I do on the on the AI software side.
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  Speaker 4: I mean humans are gradually getting less and less in
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  Speaker 4: the loop on the recursive self improvement. So you know,
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  Speaker 4: every successive model is built by the one before it,
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  Speaker 4: so that that that that is happening to a large degree,
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  Speaker 4: but it's it's not yet fully automated.
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  Speaker 1: It may be there end of this year, but not
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  Speaker 1: later than the next year.
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  Speaker 3: Do you see a heart take off at that point?
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  Speaker 1: We're in the heart takele.
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  Speaker 3: Okay right now?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean look at I mean, at this point
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  Speaker 4: I go to sleep, there's some passive AI breakthrough, and
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  Speaker 4: when I wake up there's another one.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to keep track. Honestly, it's a bit
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  Speaker 4: of a headspinner.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of the head spinning is
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  Speaker 2: happening from you too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, Brook stating pretty well and in some metrics,
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  Speaker 4: by some metrics is the best. For example, it's the
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  Speaker 4: best at predicting things to which you know, it's arguably the.
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  Speaker 1: Best metrics for intelligence. The new Brook four point two
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  Speaker 1: zero is.
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  Speaker 4: It's really really good. We're currently behind on coding. The
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  Speaker 4: reason I was but like for this was that I
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  Speaker 4: was just in a giant sort of all hands on coding,
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  Speaker 4: just going through all of the things that need to
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  Speaker 4: happen to essentially catch up and exceed our competitors on coding,
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  Speaker 4: which I think I think we'll do. I feel, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we should probably get there by the middle of this year,
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  Speaker 4: and and then I think people don't quite understand just
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  Speaker 4: how much intelligence there will be, or you know, just
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  Speaker 4: how far it will exceed human intelligence to a degree
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  Speaker 4: that is impossible to fully understand. But you could stillly
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  Speaker 4: imagine a situation where we let's say, let's say a
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  Speaker 4: million times more energy is harnessed then all of Earth's
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  Speaker 4: current electricity usage. That would slowly be roughly a millionth
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  Speaker 4: of the Sun's energy output. So essentially, if you increase
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  Speaker 4: us economy by a factor of a million, it's still
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  Speaker 4: roughly a trillion, since we're a trillion of the Sun's energy.
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  Speaker 4: If you increase that's economy and in terms of electricity
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  Speaker 4: usage by roughly a million, you will be roughly one
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  Speaker 4: million only of the Sun's energy harnessed.
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  Speaker 1: But but what is it?
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  Speaker 4: What is what is an economy or an intelligence using
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  Speaker 4: a million times more electricity than all of the civilization
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  Speaker 4: think about.
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  Speaker 1: Or look like or do. It's going to be something
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  Speaker 1: pretty magnificent.
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  Speaker 4: The challenge will be even vaguely appreciating that level of intelligence.
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  Speaker 4: But it's safe to say, well, it will solve everything
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  Speaker 4: you can possibly think of. Yes, long trip, but you're
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  Speaker 4: being you know, certainly one of them, and I do
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  Speaker 4: enjoy your unrelenting optimism.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Bill.
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  Speaker 1: I see, I see if you're hope hope.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, you've taken a heart monetizing hope, which is
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  Speaker 4: pretty funny.
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  Speaker 2: It was, it was, it was Grox. It was grox
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  Speaker 2: marketing advice to me when you roasted beyond right.
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  Speaker 4: And saying you monetize but if you've been monetizing misery.
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  Speaker 5: But yes, for sure, Yeah, but yeah, just the we
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  Speaker 5: you have AI and robots are gonna.
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  Speaker 4: Increase the like economic output or by by so many
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  Speaker 4: olders magitude, we cannot possibly comprehend it.
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  Speaker 2: We're likely in the very short time to become a
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  Speaker 2: minority than a vast minority than a microscopic minority of
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  Speaker 2: intelligence on this planet.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, not even on this planet, but in the Solar system.
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  Speaker 4: Yes for sure, because like you, you know, your best
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  Speaker 4: case outcome for Earth for intelligence is roughly one billionth
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  Speaker 4: of the Sun's energy.
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  Speaker 1: That's your best case.
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  Speaker 4: Outcome if you if you, if you genertraate intelligence only.
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  Speaker 6: On Earth, intercept it right, Yes, yes, because roughly one
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  Speaker 6: roughly half of bellion that the Sun's energy hits Earth,
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  Speaker 6: and that's the vast majority of energy that that's out there,
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  Speaker 6: but that would be access.
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  Speaker 4: So uh, really the intelligence and the Soul system will
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  Speaker 4: be many autismatic tooth greater than the intelligence on Earth itself.
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  Speaker 2: How ask a question, Elan, how far out can you see?
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  Speaker 2: How many years out can you make reasonable predictions?
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  Speaker 3: Right now?
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to verdict.
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  Speaker 4: The the path exactly is es actually if it because
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  Speaker 4: often things are kind of an S curve or a
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  Speaker 4: series of S curves where it's slow, grows exponentially, hits
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  Speaker 4: Lenia zone and then goes loger with me, that generally
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  Speaker 4: has been what I've seen with the breakthroughs in AI
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  Speaker 4: AI for example, is you'll you'll there'll be some breakthrough,
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  Speaker 4: it'll do h have an S cove, but and then
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  Speaker 4: it looks like it's just going to go to infinity,
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  Speaker 4: but then you hit love rhythmic returns until there's another breakthrough,
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  Speaker 4: So progressing, it's just a sort of series of you know,
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  Speaker 4: sort of overlapping s coves or connect with s coves.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there was a point where you could probably
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  Speaker 2: predict out a decade or two decades.
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  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts now, Okay, this is gonna sound
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  Speaker 1: pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay, we we've been we've been talking about.
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  Speaker 4: Your separate acceptive audience to wild prognostications. Yes, i'd say
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  Speaker 4: the economy is ten times this, it's kind of size
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  Speaker 4: in ten years greater than.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you're really saying something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd said triple digit growth in in five plus
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  Speaker 2: years from now on on GDP in ten next the economy.
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  Speaker 3: But in terms of your ability.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I feel like that's that's that's a tan X
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  Speaker 4: and roughly ten years.
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  Speaker 1: I feel as actually.
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  Speaker 4: A fairly comfortable prediction with there's no if there's like
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  Speaker 4: world War three or something that that could put a
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  Speaker 4: think and those plans of those expectations. Yeah, but in
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  Speaker 4: the absence of World War three, if Connor trends continue,
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  Speaker 4: I would say the the economy tenaxes and ten years.
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  Speaker 3: Love it.
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  Speaker 2: Could you give us We had a bunch of a
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  Speaker 2: base on the moon, Yes, and we'll and we'll have
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  Speaker 2: we'll have people on Mars. I have mass drivers on
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  Speaker 2: the moon, Yes, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think so in ten years. I think I think we'll
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  Speaker 1: have a mass driver in the moon in ten years.
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  Speaker 3: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Gerard k O'Neil's vision being fulfilled. We had four robots
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  Speaker 2: on stage here this year on at the Abundant Summit.
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  Speaker 3: I look forward to Optimists.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious Optimists three timeline and in particular, when can
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  Speaker 2: I buy one or two? When's when do you expect
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  Speaker 2: Optimists to go into commercial for commercial sale or will
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  Speaker 2: you be leasing it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we're in the file stages of completion of Optimist three,
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  Speaker 4: which is really going to be by far the most
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  Speaker 4: advanced robot in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing's even close.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, I haven't even sent any seen any demos
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  Speaker 4: of robots that are as good as Optimist three. Frankly,
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  Speaker 4: maybe they're out there or their secret or something. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, but you know, and I have to make
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  Speaker 4: sure I'm saying things that are reasonably public as well.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, course we're streaming this on x Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, this is pretty public and acted. Yes, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: think we'll start production on Optimus three the summer, but
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  Speaker 4: very slow at first. Yeah, like a you know, the
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  Speaker 4: sort of classic s CO ramp of manufacturing units versus time,
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  Speaker 4: and then probably reached high only production and around someone
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  Speaker 4: next year, and then.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we'll have off to us for you know,
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  Speaker 1: design clean next year.
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  Speaker 4: I try to release a new robot design every year
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  Speaker 4: I'm interprove up design every year.
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  Speaker 2: When when Dave Bundon and I were at the gigafactory,
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  Speaker 2: it was an extraordinary experience, eleven and a half million
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  Speaker 2: square feet for the Tesla, and then I think you
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  Speaker 2: said you're building out nine and a half million square
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  Speaker 2: feet for Optimus there as well, which is which is extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's put my square feet around on is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I had to be. That'll be quite that.
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  Speaker 4: That's gonna be a a new factory designed too, like
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  Speaker 4: it's not different from other factories.
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  Speaker 2: How far before we have robots building robots? I mean
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  Speaker 2: you automated so much of the Giga factory ready where
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  Speaker 2: they're humans playing a small role? Do the robots just
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  Speaker 2: play the role that humans are playing in that regard,
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  Speaker 2: we still have a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot of humans building things, you know, Tesla direct employees
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  Speaker 4: or building things or like basically people in the factory
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  Speaker 4: or either building or managing people are building.
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  Speaker 1: It's rough one hundred thousand, so we have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people. There's a total headcounts around one hundred and fifty.
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  Speaker 4: K, of of which two thirds are you know, in
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  Speaker 4: the factory at one point or another.
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  Speaker 1: And then our suppliers is probably.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe a million or two million people in our suppliers
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  Speaker 4: type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So so it's a lot of people. What we do expect,
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  Speaker 1: that is.
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  Speaker 4: Is that the output per per person at TESLA becomes
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  Speaker 4: very very high. So we're not planning any like layoffs
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  Speaker 4: or reductions at personnel. In fact, we will increase our headcount,
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  Speaker 4: but the output per human that tells us going to
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  Speaker 4: get nutty high.
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  Speaker 1: When we were like believing, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When we were together, we discussed the idea of sustainable
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  Speaker 2: abundance on our podcast, and you reinforce the idea that
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  Speaker 2: we have a coming age of universal high income, which
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  Speaker 2: has become a point of discussion beyond UBI. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: just wondering if you have any thoughts on how we
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  Speaker 2: get there. Have you reflected that any further? And and
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  Speaker 2: more so, you know, we talked about a time frame
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  Speaker 2: of civil unrest, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Two three, four, five years.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, probably a lot of COVID like checks in the
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  Speaker 2: interim until we get to a demonetization, uh and a
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  Speaker 2: you know deflation that leads us to U HI any
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  Speaker 2: more reflections on that?
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  Speaker 3: So really people need that hope in that vision.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to fixular I don't think we should
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  Speaker 1: be sort of a basement.
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  Speaker 4: We need to we do need to be careful because
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  Speaker 4: the future is a range of possible outcomes and they're
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  Speaker 4: not all great. But I at this point, I I
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  Speaker 4: do agree with you that it's it's likely to be great.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's probably eighty said likely, maybe more likely
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  Speaker 4: to be great. And and I do think we'll have
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  Speaker 4: universal han income. We're basically just issue money to people,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and and the really just because the output
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  Speaker 4: of goods and services will so far exceed the money
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  Speaker 4: supply that you know, that that that effectively you have deflation,
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  Speaker 4: because just deflation is just the ratio of the outputs
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  Speaker 4: and goods and services to the money supply. So that
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  Speaker 4: that's so if if the rate of growth of goods
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  Speaker 4: and services par exceeds the rate of growth of the
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  Speaker 4: money supply, which I predict will happen, then you will
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  Speaker 4: have deflation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and a lot of a lot of people spinning
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  Speaker 2: up new companies competing against each other, driving the price
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  Speaker 2: down and increasing the variability and deflation faster and faster.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's basically AI and Robot's going to make SMAR
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  Speaker 4: stuff and for any services that they will.
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  Speaker 1: Actually run out of things to do for the humans.
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  Speaker 4: They'll just run out of things that do the humans,
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  Speaker 4: and then they well, you know, there's.
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  Speaker 1: Only so much that humans can even express that they want.
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  Speaker 4: So you go back to my example of like, if
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  Speaker 4: you go a million times greater than the most economy,
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  Speaker 4: you've long since saturated all human desire.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like maybe like if you go to a thousand.
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  Speaker 4: Times more than our card economy a thousand times, you
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  Speaker 4: probably have already saturated saturated human anything people can think
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  Speaker 4: of that they want.
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  Speaker 2: So do you think the value of money is going
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  Speaker 2: to significantly decrease?
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  Speaker 3: Will it? Will we go post capitalist? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I think money will stop being relevant at some point
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  Speaker 4: in the future.
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  Speaker 3: So just as you're becoming.
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  Speaker 4: It's probably something like an in Bank's culture sort of future,
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  Speaker 4: And I think the AI down the road will really.
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  Speaker 1: Not use human currency.
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  Speaker 4: It will just care about power and mass, wattage and tonnage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of ironic then, right, just as you're
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  Speaker 2: becoming a multi trillionaire, money starts to have less value.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. Uh, yeah, you know that's all the stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It's just really just trillion just represents like some percentage
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  Speaker 4: ownership and companies that I you know, boilt and it's
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  Speaker 4: not like sitting in Oh god, it's just literally I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, a percentage of the companies.
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  Speaker 1: The companies are doing lots of useful things. The value
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  Speaker 1: the company grows percentage of.
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  Speaker 4: The companies, and that's the sums up to that number,
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  Speaker 4: which seems high.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's I was interviewed by somebody who
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  Speaker 2: was asking me about your your drive, what drives you?
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  Speaker 2: And I said, Elon's driven to solve problems. He's driven
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  Speaker 2: to make life in the world better by just solving
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  Speaker 2: the biggest problems over and over and over again. And
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  Speaker 2: if someone else was solving them, he wouldn't need to.
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  Speaker 2: But no one else is solving them. So I just
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  Speaker 2: want to say, you know, thank you for that, Tom,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for that.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 3: I am curious.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that democracy and our modern institutions can
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  Speaker 2: keep up with this supersonic tsunami coming our way? Are
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  Speaker 2: they just gonna fall in its way? They're just going
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  Speaker 2: to break down? How do we deal?
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  Speaker 1: M I mean, it's cool the singularity for a reason.
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  Speaker 4: You know that it's hard to predict what happens, and
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  Speaker 4: that in the singularity.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, CrOx logo is the singularity.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. It's a beautiful logo behind you, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, it's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's so the light. The light
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  Speaker 4: that the the halo around a black hole is the
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  Speaker 4: mass and ladder falling in type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to know what happens inside the singularity, but
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  Speaker 4: it's going to be very interesting, like we're going to
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  Speaker 4: live in the future will be very entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: Of that, I am confident.
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  Speaker 4: And I think also like AI and robotics also the
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  Speaker 4: only way we're going to solve our budget deficit frankly,
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  Speaker 4: and not just go bankrupt as a country. So I'm
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  Speaker 4: I'm you know, you've had an influence on me and
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  Speaker 4: that I'm like, I've just decided to be more optimistic.
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  Speaker 1: It's like we just should be more optimistic.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Pal. You know that I.
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  Speaker 4: Wasn't an optimist, but I was like, maybe running a
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  Speaker 4: little too much around the negative stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's all it's all upside being an optimist and a
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  Speaker 2: realist a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You don't want to be complacent
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  Speaker 4: or just assume everything's.
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  Speaker 1: Going to go well.
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  Speaker 4: But try to make it go well.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, there will be some pretty amazing things
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  Speaker 1: that happen.
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  Speaker 4: So if you've got humanoid robots that are that have
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  Speaker 4: very high dexterity and uh and and and are incredibly smart,
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  Speaker 4: it means that everyone on Earth will have access to
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  Speaker 4: better medical care than than than the richest person on Earth, which,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, I would say, like, you know, if
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I'm allegedly the rich person, would I think, actually, sovereigns
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  Speaker 4: are richer than me, by the way, But it's like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I like I had to have like a
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  Speaker 4: like an ex surgery three times because the first two
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  Speaker 4: ones were done wrong.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like this is I'm like what that you know?
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  Speaker 4: So and I'm like my back still hurts a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, can AI police sew back fan?
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  Speaker 1: That would be a huge win.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it well, yep, so you.
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  Speaker 1: Know that fan sucks.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's maybe like you know, sometimes why if
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: people get grumpy when they get old, this because back faint.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you back bets all the time and you
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  Speaker 1: can't sleep while you're gonna be bruffy.
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  Speaker 3: We had.
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  Speaker 2: We had David Sinclair on stage this morning and he's
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  Speaker 2: going into human trials with ER one hundred is partial
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  Speaker 2: pagetic reprogramming and uh one of the one of the
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  Speaker 2: papers recently published shows it enables joint repair and so
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  Speaker 2: back pain may be one of the things that it eliminates.
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  Speaker 1: So that would be amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, for surely average happened to several pre humans.
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  Speaker 1: Would just go up from tremendously if you.
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  Speaker 4: Just saw back fane, because it's not a question of
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  Speaker 4: of if you'll get back pain as when you know
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  Speaker 4: you'll get back pain.
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  Speaker 1: I keep on a good design.
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  Speaker 2: I keep on inviting you to come down to Fountain
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  Speaker 2: Life in uh in Dallas, will U will help you out.
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  Speaker 2: But sometime when you have.
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  Speaker 4: To you have like what do you I understand like
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  Speaker 4: that you can get like mrin catscans and everything, but
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  Speaker 4: like what do you do with that?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's like happy to happy to send you
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  Speaker 3: the list. I'll d M you the list. Yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, listen, you've been so generous. Next up
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  Speaker 2: on stage with me is one of another great Moonshot entrepreneur,
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  Speaker 2: Ben Lamb, who runs Colossal, the the extinction Company. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the Wily Mammoth and fifteen other species. I
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: heard I heard you say you might want to many
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  Speaker 2: Willly mammoth.
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  Speaker 3: Is that is that true?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I think it would be really cool to have a
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  Speaker 4: pet minister Willie Mammoth.
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  Speaker 1: That would be pretty epic.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll put a word in with you for you
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  Speaker 2: with with with.
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  Speaker 4: That would be adorable little things that's running around, trumpeting
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  Speaker 4: away and it's like, look at the it's a grateful bed.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I can somebody please do Jurassic Park in realize? Well,
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  Speaker 4: I definitely got even if there was some risk of death.
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  Speaker 1: Be super cool.
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  Speaker 2: I think if anybody is going to do that, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's Ben Lamb and Colossal. He's really he's engineering living
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  Speaker 2: life products. Someone asked him recently if he can make
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  Speaker 2: a Pikachu and he said probably.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well Jurassic Jurassic World whatever, that would be.
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  Speaker 3: Great, all right, I'll ask him. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Elon, so grateful for you coming and joining us and sharing.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: Let's give it up for Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. See you in the next episode.