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  Speaker 1: My philosophy was always to hire people who might one
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  Speaker 1: day take my job. He tried to do exactly that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he was naked during the interview, so we decided
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  Speaker 2: to pass.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say naked? And I fired him on the spot. Ooh.
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  Speaker 1: This is The Bad Hire, the show with the best
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  Speaker 1: stories about the worst employees.
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  Speaker 2: We fired him, of course.
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  Speaker 1: People are crazy. It's like an HR nightmare. Right? One
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  Speaker 1: bad hire stole all of it. Crazy stuff. She got
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  Speaker 1: what she deserved. Oh! Oh, I'm your host, Ken Monroe.
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  Speaker 1: And every week we dive into real life stories from
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  Speaker 1: the wild world of work and what can happen when
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  Speaker 1: the wrong person gets the job. These stories aren't just crazy.
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  Speaker 1: They're cautionary tales about lessons learned the hard way. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get started. All right. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to The
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  Speaker 1: Bad Hire. The show where we take the best stories
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  Speaker 1: and the most unfortunate employees. There you go. Interviews and
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  Speaker 1: they collide and we tell great stories about it.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we have a slightly different tagline every time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. Nathan's like, we need the tagline and
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  Speaker 1: I say it different every time.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, but it's always kind of fun to see like,
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  Speaker 2: what's the tagline going to be this time?
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  Speaker 3: You only have it right then you're in front of
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  Speaker 3: him to read it.
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  Speaker 1: The show with the best stories is, And the worst employees.
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  Speaker 1: And I hate saying the worst employees. I just think
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  Speaker 1: it's so negative. So I changed it to unfortunate. I know.
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  Speaker 1: But I changed it to unfortunate today. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. It's like, who knows what the experience is.
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  Speaker 2: That's in our TikTok bio right now. We can change
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  Speaker 2: it to unfortunate, though. I guess that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Or we can be the unfortunate hire. Change it to
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  Speaker 1: the unfortunate hire. Oh, man, that stresses me out.
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  Speaker 3: Thinking about all this stuff, I'll have to change.
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  Speaker 1: Emma, can you just redesign everything? I do like the
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  Speaker 1: title of the show. I think it looks good on stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Like when you put a hat on that says the
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  Speaker 1: bad hire. Well, it's also one of those things where
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  Speaker 1: I've worn one and someone would be like, bro, what
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  Speaker 1: is that? It's like, I was a bad hire.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of those things where we were all
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  Speaker 2: kind of surprised that thebadhire.com was available. Like, oh, we
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  Speaker 2: got thebadhire.com.
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  Speaker 1: When I typed that in, it was always available. I
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  Speaker 1: bought it like eight seconds. Yeah. It's like the best
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  Speaker 1: $ 10 you've ever spent. It was. It works. Worst case scenario, sooner,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this doesn't work out. This show, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we stop. I'll just take, you know, I'll just take, like,
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  Speaker 1: people's pictures that are like really terrible employees and just
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  Speaker 1: post them. Here's the bad hire. Yeah. That'd actually be mean. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God. That's funny. Well, Emma, Nathan. Emma, nice
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  Speaker 1: to have you back. I see a comment when you
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  Speaker 1: came in, you got your game face on.
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same face I always have on. They're ready
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  Speaker 1: to go. Oh my God. All right. So you guys, uh,
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  Speaker 1: You guys know the drill. We're looking for stories and
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  Speaker 1: we'd love to hear yours. So, you know, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: a funny story, a bad hire story, a bad interview story,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the range of stories we've heard is crazy,
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  Speaker 1: but what we would just want to hear your stories
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  Speaker 1: that you have when it comes to hiring people, employing people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not to make fun of it, but to
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  Speaker 1: just have fun about it. And, you know, we want
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  Speaker 1: to run with your stories and tell them. And so
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  Speaker 1: if you'll submit them, Our stories, you can either do
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  Speaker 1: a segment. You'll see some segments today or see at
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  Speaker 1: least one segment today. You can sign up for that,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll interview you with one of our producers, let
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  Speaker 1: you tell your story that way. Or you can submit
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  Speaker 1: your story and write in, and we'll read it. And
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  Speaker 1: if you have the best story for the year, you
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  Speaker 1: have a chance to win $ 10, 000. And we'll give away $ 10, 000
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  Speaker 1: at the year anniversary of the show and figure out
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  Speaker 1: another project. promotion or something to do the next year,
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  Speaker 1: but it's, it's doing good. I've enjoyed the, uh, I
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  Speaker 1: don't enjoy the stories so far. Yeah. It's been fun.
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  Speaker 2: We've had some sent in that we've been recording more
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  Speaker 2: of these segments and all those all get entered to
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  Speaker 2: win the, win the prize. And so if you have
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  Speaker 2: a story you want to be shown, like we're doing today,
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  Speaker 2: we're like, we actually show a clip of you, you
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  Speaker 2: telling your story. You can enter that way. Or if
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to do that, you can just type
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  Speaker 2: it in. We'll just read it out loud. And then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, There are lots of different ways to win
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  Speaker 2: some money.
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  Speaker 1: But you can find us at thebadhire.com. Not hard to
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  Speaker 1: figure out. Yeah. Thebadhire.com. If you go there, you can
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  Speaker 1: find a forum. You can reach out. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we send out a lot of email to folks in
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  Speaker 1: the hiring business to ask them to consider being on
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  Speaker 1: the show or to ask them to submit a story.
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  Speaker 1: So if you get an email from us, answer it.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we really would just say. Let us know
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  Speaker 1: that you– if you're in the hiring business, you've got
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  Speaker 1: a story. Well, it's funny because I know– because if
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  Speaker 1: we sat down and we talked, you've got to joke
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  Speaker 1: it around, relax a little bit. Sooner or later, your
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  Speaker 1: hiring stories are going to come out.
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  Speaker 2: And everybody we've been sending out– because we have been
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  Speaker 2: sending out a bunch of emails trying to get people
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  Speaker 2: to come be a guest on the show more or less.
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  Speaker 1: In one way or another.
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  Speaker 2: And we either get the response of no, never talk
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  Speaker 2: to me again.
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  Speaker 1: Or that sounds like a lot of fun. There's not
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot. Never get the, no, never talk to
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  Speaker 1: me again.
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  Speaker 2: There's a little bit of that in there, but I
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  Speaker 2: think they probably say that to everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe then they're not a good fit for the show,
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  Speaker 2: but we haven't had a lot of people saying like,
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that sounds fun. And like, let me know
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  Speaker 2: how I can be involved. And that's how we've had
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  Speaker 2: people send in their segments or coming here to be in,
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  Speaker 2: in person on the show.
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  Speaker 1: And it's been a fun, a fun project. Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: love it. Yeah. All right. So, uh, I guess I'll
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  Speaker 1: go first. Is that right? Okay. So, Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where this one came from, but when
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  Speaker 1: I was a creative director at a major advertising agency,
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  Speaker 1: I once hired a junior copywriter who seemed brilliant in
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  Speaker 1: the interviews. Smart, confident, full of ideas. My instinct told
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  Speaker 1: me something was off, but I ignored it. Oh. My
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  Speaker 1: philosophy was always to hire people who might one day
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  Speaker 1: take my job. Mm-hmm. He tried to do exactly that
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  Speaker 1: almost immediately. Really? I'm here to take your job. He
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  Speaker 1: certainly thought highly of himself. Within weeks, I caught him
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  Speaker 1: going behind my back to pitch ideas directly to my
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  Speaker 1: boss after I had rejected them. Wow. I warned him
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  Speaker 1: once and he apologized, but the behavior continued. He spent hours.
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  Speaker 1: Most of his time flattering executives and trying to impress
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  Speaker 1: leadership while treating his peers, especially junior staff, terribly. Sounds
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  Speaker 1: like God knows how to work the system. I guess so. Ironically,
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  Speaker 1: despite his reputation with management, which apparently was good. He
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  Speaker 1: had a good reputation with management. His actual work was mediocre.
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  Speaker 1: His real talent was convincing people he was brilliant. That's
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  Speaker 1: good talent. Six months in. The managing director called me
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  Speaker 1: into his office and told me this employee had complained
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  Speaker 1: about how I evaluated his creative work. To my surprise,
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  Speaker 1: my boss seemed to be taking his side.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: This is not going well. This guy's a genius. So
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  Speaker 1: I said, there will always be someone complaining as long
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  Speaker 1: as someone's willing to listen. Now tell me, who do
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  Speaker 1: I go to if I need to complain about you? Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: He had no answer. I walked straight to the copywriter's
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  Speaker 1: office and I fired him on the spot. Ooh. Dang.
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  Speaker 1: To this day, it's still one of the most satisfying
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  Speaker 1: decisions I've ever made.
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  Speaker 3: This person sounds like, the person that they hired sounds
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  Speaker 3: like the strategic initiative guy.
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  Speaker 1: Like, do you remember that story?
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  Speaker 2: The guy who was just a bunch of random various
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  Speaker 2: tasks and responsibilities.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like, I have this very top secret
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  Speaker 3: project that I'm working on. It's super strategic, super confidential.
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  Speaker 1: It's always worked on something important. Sounds really cool, but
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  Speaker 1: doesn't actually work. Yeah, this guy's going up to the
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  Speaker 1: senior people and like, oh yeah, I'm losing this big project.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to love it. Yeah. Smoothing them. So this
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  Speaker 1: guy knew how to, he knew how to schmooze up
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  Speaker 1: and really trash talk down.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which sounds like a toxic combination, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Emma, did you find the story on Reddit? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as you started reading, she started laughing. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, she knows the story. She was the
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  Speaker 2: one to find it.
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  Speaker 1: That's funny.
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  Speaker 2: That is kind of a scary combination of people who
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  Speaker 2: can get in there and just like be toxic down here,
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  Speaker 2: but then like schmooze the people up here. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to work with anybody like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Can you imagine, you know, you hire somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: like a junior and you, They're pitching you ideas and
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  Speaker 1: then you, in an ad agency, which is just, you know, that's,
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  Speaker 1: it's just idea pitching, right? Yeah, that's true. And then,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you see them circle around and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're in there talking to your balls, pitching an idea
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  Speaker 1: around you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty much like asking your mom for something.
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  Speaker 2: She says no. They're like, let me go sneak and
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  Speaker 2: ask my dad. That's not so loud.
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  Speaker 1: It does kind of sound like art. A little bit
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  Speaker 1: of that. Mom said we could go get McDonald's. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Might be okay at home. Before we dive back into
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  Speaker 1: couple of stories.
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  Speaker 2: The first one, I've got a video clip from an
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  Speaker 2: interview that I did and I've got a story to
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  Speaker 2: read out loud.
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  Speaker 1: So we want to play this clip.
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  Speaker 4: I was working in Florida, installing a performance appraisal system
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  Speaker 4: for the company. And we were bringing on all the
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  Speaker 4: managers to Florida for a week from Texas. And while
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  Speaker 4: I was gone, my admin, she'd been promoted and she
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  Speaker 4: was hiring a replacement. And so I, and she was phenomenal.
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  Speaker 4: She was, that's why she was being promoted. And the
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  Speaker 4: new admin was started. And for six weeks, I'm offsite.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not in the office. So relying on getting phone calls, messages,
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  Speaker 4: things that are coming in, things that need to be
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  Speaker 4: done and things are getting missed. It was just very,
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  Speaker 4: very odd. And I talked with the employee a couple
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  Speaker 4: of times and said, you know, do you remember that
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  Speaker 4: you got a call from ABC and they needed me
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  Speaker 4: to call them and contact them? No, I don't remember that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And so it happened a few times. And finally I said,
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  Speaker 4: are you writing down messages? And she said, I don't
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  Speaker 4: have time to do that. And I said, well, you're
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  Speaker 4: going to have to, because you're not remembering messages. And
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  Speaker 4: so she started writing them down. And when I'd get
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  Speaker 4: called to get them at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: she'd say, oh, I forgot to write the phone number down.
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  Speaker 4: I've got his first name, but I don't have.
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  Speaker 4: It was not comical, but it was comical. And she
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  Speaker 4: did not meet the 90 days.
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  Speaker 1: It's not funny, but it is. It's like an admin.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a receptionist. I'm remembering that story. I like
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  Speaker 1: the way she told that. That was good. I like
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  Speaker 1: the way she told that.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, your one job is to write down
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  Speaker 2: messages and get them to me.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I don't have time for that. Who
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  Speaker 1: writes down their first name? And Bob called you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: not even a last name either. What's Bob's number? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know? Yeah. I have to write down the
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  Speaker 1: phone number too? Here's how that, hey, hey.
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  Speaker 3: You're really asking a lot of me here to write
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  Speaker 3: down the name and the number.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's like, hey, it's Bob. Right, Bob calls
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  Speaker 1: and she says, the girl's like, yeah, hey, Bob. Can you,
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  Speaker 1: is so-and-so there? No, they're not. Can I take a message? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's Bob so-and-so. And she's like, okay, Bob, I got it. E-O-B, Bob.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, bye.
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  Speaker 1: Call me back at this number, and I need to
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  Speaker 1: pass on this message. Okay, got it. Bob called you. Bob.
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  Speaker 1: What did you say? Which one?
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  Speaker 2: This is Bob.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Because imagine there's more than one Bob, and you don't
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  Speaker 3: know which one it is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: What else is the admin doing that they don't have
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  Speaker 2: time to write down some messages or write down a number?
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  Speaker 1: That's funny. Yes, you cracked yourself up talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, for those of you who don't remember, it
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  Speaker 1: used to be that you had people call and you
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  Speaker 1: would get messages and they would be voicemail. I know voicemail.
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  Speaker 1: If you had an assistant back in the day, even
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  Speaker 1: when you had voicemail, you know, your assistant would take
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  Speaker 1: the message. You had these pads where like pages of
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  Speaker 1: messages would be on them. You know, and you'd get
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  Speaker 1: these little slips of paper with here's people who called you.
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  Speaker 1: Have you got a slip of paper with Bob? It'd
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  Speaker 1: be like get an email from your assistant that just
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  Speaker 1: said Bob called. Yeah. Like what?
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  Speaker 2: Or it's like Jerry is in the hospital and needs
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  Speaker 2: help and called this number and you need to be
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  Speaker 2: here at this time.
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  Speaker 1: And then you just get the message like, oh, somebody's
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  Speaker 1: in the hospital. It's like a who? What? What are
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  Speaker 1: the details? Someone in hospital. Yeah. Bob called. Someone's hurt.
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  Speaker 1: I need some details here. Oh, my God. Anyway, I
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  Speaker 1: said that. That's funny.
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  Speaker 2: All right, the other one I just found on Reddit,
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  Speaker 2: but here we go. I once set up a job
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  Speaker 2: interview for my friend's nephew. Let's call the nephew Paul.
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  Speaker 2: A company that I knew was hiring about 30 college
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  Speaker 2: students for summer work, and that nephew's major lined up
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  Speaker 2: perfectly with what the company actually did. And I also
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  Speaker 2: knew the hiring manager for this job personally, so I
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  Speaker 2: felt like it was a great opportunity. A couple weeks later,
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  Speaker 2: the nephew's uncle emailed me and asked how things went.
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  Speaker 2: So I reached out to my friend in HR, and
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  Speaker 2: I said to him, hey, how'd the interview go? The
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  Speaker 2: HR guy said, great, we needed 30 people, and we
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  Speaker 2: only had to interview 31 candidates.
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  Speaker 1: So we were able to fill all the spots. I said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's nice. So how.
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  Speaker 2: Was Paul one of them? And there was an awkward pause.
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  Speaker 2: He said, yes, he was. And I said, what happened?
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  Speaker 2: He goes, well, he was naked during the interview, so
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  Speaker 2: we decided to pass.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say naked?
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  Speaker 2: He was naked during the interview, so I decided to pass.
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  Speaker 1: I said, what?
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  Speaker 2: Are you serious? There's no way that he would show
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  Speaker 2: up to an interview naked. And my friend said, well,
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  Speaker 2: it was a Zoom interview. uh, apparently when they started
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  Speaker 2: the call and they turn on the video, Paul was
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  Speaker 2: just lying in bed completely naked. And so I said,
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  Speaker 2: I said to the HR guy, well, maybe he didn't
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  Speaker 2: realize that you could see him. Was it, maybe he
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  Speaker 2: thought it was audio only. And my friend said, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's what we thought too. So we told him, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: just so you know, we can see you. And Paul said, Oh, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: He pulled a sheet up over, over himself. And they said,
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  Speaker 2: do you want to reschedule the interview?
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  Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm good. We can keep going. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we decided to pass. So sorry about that, Paul. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God. How old is Paul? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully at least 18.
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  Speaker 1: I sure would hope so.
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  Speaker 2: So he was the 31st candidate and didn't get that
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  Speaker 2: one empty spot.
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  Speaker 1: We take 30 out of 31. You're the 34th. And
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  Speaker 1: it happens to be the guy that was referred.
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  Speaker 3: This is like Cat Nuzzler 2.0.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it totally is.
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  Speaker 2: The naked Cat Nuzzler is still my favorite story.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's good of a T-shirt. I will guarantee you
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  Speaker 1: there are so many Zoom interviews from Ben. Just really bad,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: just great stories about really bad interviews on Zoom. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, because here we've had, I've had a couple where,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I've just really had to get on someone
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: about how they got onto a Zoom call. You know, just,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: you know. I don't know. I think we talked about
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: this before. You remember the first, you know, when COVID
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: first happened, everybody went and everybody showed up to Zoom
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the next week and everyone was looking sharp. Yeah. Dressed up.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: They actually suit and tie everything. And then it was
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: suit and tie with sweatpants. And then it was just
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: all sweatpants and everything.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Slowly just everybody. And then it was Paul just
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: not wearing anything. You know, I haven't showered in a week.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: You know, everybody turns. It went from bright eyed and
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: everybody's going to all cameras off. Yeah. You know? Well,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: there goes your camera on. I'm actually at Marshall's right now.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to check out my cats. Yeah. There's a
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: lot of those stories too. I had a call with
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: someone this today. I mean, yesterday, and it was three,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: three folks from their, from their team. And one of them,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: they had the fake backgrounds going, you know, and one
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: of them was sound like he was standing on a
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: street corner. I mean, it was just like, traffic, other people, voices.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was, I was like, this guy, I
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: think he's, maybe he was sitting in his car. You know,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I was like, really? Why did
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: you get on this phone call?
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: If you're going to, you know, at least put it
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: on mute. Wait, Marcus, can you actually pull up a
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: clip from YouTube real fast? Would that be hard? I
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: was working in- Just go to YouTube real fast and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: type this in, because- I want you to see this again.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: There's this one guy who, especially during COVID, he would
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: just go around doing interviews and stuff like with a
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: green screen behind him, but it was like attached to
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: his back as he's doing all these crazy things like
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: snowboarding and stuff and just pretend like everything's fine as
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: he's like flying through the air. So if you go
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: to YouTube, just type in it's Frankie LaPenna and just
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: like water slide or something like that and green screen
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Because I think, Ken, you need to see this. Yeah,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: I'm always, I'm not a big fan of the fake
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: backgrounds anyway. You know, I just, I was, the same call,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: two of them had the exact same background on. Yeah. Right? Oh,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, it looks weird. You're
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: looking at them and like, they look like they're standing
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: in some room at some random place. It's been a
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: really ripe opportunity. But I think Q4 is going to
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: be even bigger for us. Yeah, Frank, do you have
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: those projections for Q3? Yeah, let me pull them up
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: right here real quick. I'll pull them up at you. Oh,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: s * * *, my brakes. Hey, Frank, are you okay, man? Oh,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: s * * *, my brakes. Oh, s * * *,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: my brakes. Made it big from doing that, apparently, ended up.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: So I guess maybe start, I always thought like one
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: or two of those, maybe start as a thing and
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: then you just took it to the extreme, whereas I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: got an NFL game or whatever. but I think the
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: first one he was actually pranking somebody and it was
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: like semi-believable at first and then it just went to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the extreme, but that probably originated during COVID.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: No, it's, I hate it. There he is. It's like, watch,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I hate the fake backgrounds now.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I think I've got a fake background, so I got
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: to change mine because I'm on Zoom a lot.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I get it if you just don't have
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: the right place. Mine's B-checks branded at least, though. Yeah, no.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: So I got that going. Well, if they do something
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: like that, right, if you brand it and it's just,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: you know, yours. That's kind of cool. But I was
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: sitting there on the thing and like two people side
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: by side, it looks like they're sitting in the same
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: exact room. Yeah.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Because you get on Google Meet or Zoom or whatever
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: and they have the virtual screens. Yeah. And there's like
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the first choice for everybody. So everybody kind of all
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: has that same living room as their background.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, make sure this happens here. Right. If
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: we're going to put backgrounds, it should be backgrounds of
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: our office. Like take photos, you know, have somebody take
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: photos in our office. You know, we've got really cool office.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: So you can't tell if it's Gold Hill.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Why would we have some fake office in New York,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you know, in the background? We could get, you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: they have those, you know.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: They have those looping live video backgrounds. So we just
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: have one of like looping a Randall Betwalk around in
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: the background and stuff like that.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I heard some guy talking the other day. I think
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: he was a judge and he was furious about somebody
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: who had, you know, got online and had that and
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: it had a cat. The video was a cat walking
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: back and forth behind the guy. He was so furious
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: over it. I'm just like, you know, I don't know.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Well, you can make your own virtual video background behind you.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And there's this one where a guy sitting at his thing,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: he had pre-recorded. him walking up behind himself and pouring
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: himself a cup of coffee. So during the fall, he's
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: sitting there and just like his cologne comes up and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: just pours him a cup of coffee.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Early in COVID, I did that. Oh, really? Did you
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: break somebody? I was such an idiot. I cut a
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: video of me walking into my office and walking behind
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and doing something behind me and then came in and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: then I had stopped and looked down at myself. And
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: so when it happened, I was like looked up at myself. Oh,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it's Ken's twin. Yeah. Walking behind you. That's right in
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the middle of a meeting that pulled it off. That's funny. Yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Lots of green screen talk. All right. So what's up?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Are you, you still got to go? Yeah. Oh, okay.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So we just went off the rails. Are we ready?
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: All right. We're done with green screen. We're ready. Let's go.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: This one sounds really similar to the one that you
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: just told.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: So here we go.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Years ago, a colleague and I interviewed a man named
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Miles for a very junior civil service position. On paper,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: he was overqualified, private school, a law degree, well-spoken, so
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: we assumed he had simply taken an unusual career path.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: For about a year, he did the job reasonably well,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: though coworkers noticed he was moody and often rude, even
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: to his own family when they called the office. Eventually,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: complaints started coming in that he ignored instructions or treated
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: colleagues poorly. It became clear Miles believed the job and
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: many people around him were beneath him. I sat him
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: down and explained that while he was free to aim
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: for something better, he still needed to do the job
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: he'd been hired for. Instead of responding normally, he stood
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: there silently, furious, clenching his fists like a child being scolded.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, like Arthur in the meme.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, exactly like that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: What are y'all talking about?
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: We'll have to get to that.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Not long after, I moved to another role.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: One of Miles' new tasks was organizing staff photos for
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: updated security passes. Oddly, he photographed everyone except me. After
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: three months, I had to order him to come take
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: the photo, which he did reluctantly, and then lost it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: My pass was never issued. I warned leadership that his
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: attitude would eventually cause a serious problem, but they dismissed it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: A few months later, the department sold some old filing cabinets.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Miles had been told to make sure they were empty
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: before they went out.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: He didn't bother.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: The company that bought them later contacted us to say
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: several cabinets still contained confidential files, personal information about members
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: of the public. That was the moment everyone finally realized
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Miles was exactly the problem I had warned them about.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, Miles, that's not good.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Man, it always starts with, like, a bad attitude, too. Like, oh,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: this is all beneath me. Yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. I think kind of a theme of, like... Yeah,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of today's episodes. Yeah. And, well, just in general, you
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: see these stories where there's, like, the steam of... I
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: don't know. They have, like... I'm going to look it up.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: What are you looking up? I'll mark it. Okay. What
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: are you... Yeah. Stop clutching your fist. Yeah. There you go.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So that was Miles. So in the story, your guy
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: would do this with his fist? Yeah.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: That's right before he punched his sister, DW, I think,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: in the famous episode. So that was Miles just thinking
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that he was better than everybody else, I guess. So
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: at first, it was him being prideful, and then it
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: was him... Was he doing that on purpose, leaving the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: files in the filing cabinet? Or was he just being
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: bad at his job?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: I think he was just doing it on purpose because
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: he thought that everybody was beneath him.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: So he was like, I don't have to listen to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: these people. I guess so. That's what it sounded like
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: to me. And then confidential info is getting out there. Yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Dang. That's crazy. Yeah. Is that it for you today? Yes,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that is all. Those are my stories too. Nice work. Yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: That was fun. Yeah. Good show. I liked it. Yeah.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: This is our first YouTube pull up. It was. Thank you, Marcus. Thanks, Marcus.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. And thanks to Peter. Peter's the intern today.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: We got a whole production team now. We're growing up.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Charlotte Christian School. There you go.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: He's getting his internship in. That's kind of cool. Nice. Yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Loved it. My sister went there, so I had to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: chop it up with him about it. We might be
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: recording that whole part.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll just patch it into the podcast.
• 25:29
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• 25:32
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• 25:35
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• 25:39
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• 25:42
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• 25:45
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• 25:47
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• 25:50
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• 25:52
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• 25:54
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• 25:58
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• 26:00
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• 26:03
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• 26:05
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• 26:09
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• 26:16
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• 26:18
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• 26:23
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• 26:30
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• 26:32
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• 26:34
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• 26:38
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• 26:39
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• 26:46
  Speaker 1: In hundreds, it's like, I'm really going to give this
• 26:48
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• 26:48
  Speaker 2: We'll have to get a whole briefcase of ones behind
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: you or something like that.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That'd look cool. Yeah. A briefcase with it. Yeah. And
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: when we give it away, let's do it that way.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: That'd be cool. Like, you know. Because if it was hundreds,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it'd be like that big. Yeah. It'd be so much
• 27:01
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• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:02
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• 27:04
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• 27:09
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• 27:41
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• 27:44
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• 27:47
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