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Glam animal activist hires hitman to kill hubby girlfriend. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Every day we read about cats, dogs,
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Speaker 1: pets mistreated horribly and someone has got to be their champion, right,
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Speaker 1: But how about when that champion is accused of hiring
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Speaker 1: a hitman. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She stepped in
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Speaker 1: front of cameras to pose with miniature horses or to
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Speaker 1: give a sound bite for nine News, and she actually
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Speaker 1: did call out to the dog. But the latest snapshot
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Speaker 1: of Jennifer Emmy was taken at the Jefferson County jail.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Emmy, who also goes by Jennifer Edwards, is an
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Speaker 1: attorney and founder of the Animal Law Center in Evergreen.
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Speaker 1: She's accused of conspiring to murder her estranged husband's girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: a lawyer. A lawyer who is the founder of the
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Speaker 1: Animal Law Center in Evergreen. The last camera shot of
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Speaker 1: her is posing with miniature horses speaking out about animal rescue.
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Speaker 1: But her latest photo is a mug shot. I Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories, Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven with
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to break it down. First
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Speaker 1: of all, family lawyer out of North Carolina, Kathleen Murphy
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Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst
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Speaker 1: to the Stars, joining us I guess from Rodeo Drive
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Speaker 1: there in Beverly Hills. You can find her at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. She's also star of a brand
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Speaker 1: new Netflix series, He's Bleeding Empire. Greg Smith, longtime friend
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Speaker 1: and colleague, Special Deputy Sheriff Johnson County Sheriff's Office in Kansas,
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Speaker 1: and the executive director of the Keltsey Smith Foundation at
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Speaker 1: Kelsey's Army dot com. Also with me, Death Investigator, Professor
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Speaker 1: Forensic's Jacksonville State University, author A Blood Beneath My Feet
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Speaker 1: on Amazon and Starve and you hit series Poisonous Liaisons
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Speaker 1: on the True Crime Network Joseph Scott Morgan. But first,
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Speaker 1: let's go straight out to Tyler Hunt at crime online
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Speaker 1: dot com. Tyler, thank you for being with us. Who
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Speaker 1: is this person? Who is Jennifer Emmy Well Nancy. Jennifer
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Speaker 1: is a forty three year old animal rights lawyer. She's
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Speaker 1: based out of Evergreen, Colorado. Focuses mostly on animal law.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, slow it down,
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Speaker 1: Tyler Hunt. Okay, she's an animal rights lawyer. Correct, that's right, then,
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Speaker 1: who pays her? Any idea how that works. She focuses
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Speaker 1: mostly on animal law, a lot of animal rights cases,
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Speaker 1: but she's also pretty prominent in the media. She does
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Speaker 1: a lot of hits on TV local Colorado stations. She's
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Speaker 1: also owns a ranch that focuses on animals too, in
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Speaker 1: the ranch called fourteen Hands, and that also has a
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Speaker 1: legal arm to it, which is Animal Law Center, so
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Speaker 1: sort of very involved with animal rights and sort of
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Speaker 1: fuses the law into that as well. Well, somebody's got
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Speaker 1: to be paying the bills, and it's not the cats
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Speaker 1: and the dogs. Okay, that ranch doesn't come for free.
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Speaker 1: That's a whole other cannon arms for me to investigate.
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Speaker 1: But did you say Evergreen, Colorado, Tyler Hunt? That's correct?
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Speaker 1: So just southwest of Denver and Jefferson County and located
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Speaker 1: in the Rocky Mountains where she's she's located, and sort
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Speaker 1: of wealthy area of Evergreen near Evergreen Heights and estates,
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Speaker 1: just big properties, sort of multi million dollar homes and ranch.
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Speaker 1: Did not know that. I know Evergreen is unincorporated, it's
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Speaker 1: got a post office, and assisis designated area in Jefferson County, Colorado. Also,
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Speaker 1: it's part of the Denver Aurora Lakewood metropolitan area. But
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Speaker 1: you're telling me it's more rural Tyler Hunt. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean Evergreen itself as there is, there is a metropolitan area,
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Speaker 1: but where the ranch is located is a little bit
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Speaker 1: more of a remote areas, huge properties. There's other ranches
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Speaker 1: in the area and gigantic sort of multimillion dollar homes
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Speaker 1: that they're generally well, you know why, Tyler just a
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Speaker 1: little f yim Evergreen became known for its scenic landscape
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Speaker 1: and getting close to nature, and it was very popular
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Speaker 1: getaway for stars on the silver screen, like Greta Garbo
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Speaker 1: even Teddy Roosevelt. Now it's a very let me say
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Speaker 1: bojo community known for its arts and creativity. And that
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Speaker 1: is the background, the landscape for what we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: And this is a woman, Kathleen Murphy. You're a trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: just coming off a huge win in court. Kathleen Murphy
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Speaker 1: joining us out of North Carolina. It ain't easy becoming
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Speaker 1: a lawyer, all right. You have to go to three
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Speaker 1: years of law school. It's very intense. Then you gotta
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Speaker 1: get out there, get a job and hustle. If you're
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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer like you. Oh, dear Lord in Heaven,
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Speaker 1: this stress is incredible. It's like a modern day gladiator
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Speaker 1: in court, getting down, dirty, sweating and bloody do it
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Speaker 1: out with the other side. This woman now accused of
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Speaker 1: hiring a hit man is also a lawyer. What does
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Speaker 1: that tell you, Kathleen Murphy? Well, Nancy, I think no
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Speaker 1: offense to animal lovers. I'm a huge animal lover. But
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Speaker 1: I don't understand. You know, I always noticed, you know,
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Speaker 1: this is something for you to think about. Dr Bethy Marshall, psychoanalyst.
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Speaker 1: When somebody says no offense, they're about to be very offensive.
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Speaker 1: Or if they say I don't want to be rude,
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Speaker 1: they're about to be very rude. Okay, let it rip,
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, I'm ready. How does she make money as
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Speaker 1: a lawyer representing animals? I just said that, you totally
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Speaker 1: stole that from me. I said, who's bagger the cats
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Speaker 1: and dogs? That was my first thought. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if she's tewing me both. Okay. I'm learning that she
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Speaker 1: did a lot of fundraisers. Her personal Facebook page has
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Speaker 1: public posts nearly all about fun raisers for animals in
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Speaker 1: other words to pay the bills. So that's one way, Kathleen.
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Speaker 1: I guess great minds work, like, yeah, how she paying
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Speaker 1: the bills. But it also tells me this, Kathleen, she's
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Speaker 1: a lawyer. She had to take criminal law at least
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Speaker 1: once in first year he did. It's required. The bigger issue, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: If I presently represent somebody who was married to a lawyer,
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Speaker 1: he had to wait approximately eight to nine years before
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Speaker 1: he could even sit for the bar because there are
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Speaker 1: moral codes and they have to approve somebody to sit
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Speaker 1: for the bar. She obviously was arev to sit for
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Speaker 1: this bar exam at some point in her life? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know what, you're bringing back memories to me. I
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Speaker 1: remember somebody who's super smart in law school had been
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Speaker 1: busted with a joint or I can't remember what, and
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Speaker 1: really had a hard time getting to sit for the bar,
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Speaker 1: which in itself is excruciating. Sitting for the bar it
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Speaker 1: some multi day process, eight hours a day. I was
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Speaker 1: so scared I wouldn't pass the first time, and I
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Speaker 1: miss out on my first job. I didn't even get
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Speaker 1: up to go to the bathroom the whole session. I
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Speaker 1: mean I sat there when we got our lunch break,
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Speaker 1: I ran, but it's it's hard to pass the bar
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Speaker 1: after years and years of law school. You have to
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Speaker 1: take criminal law in your one you have to take
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Speaker 1: criminal procedure. It's mandatory. So this is a woman that
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Speaker 1: knows her way around the court system. So how does
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Speaker 1: this woman, Kathleen, What did you say, Kathleen? Yes, I said,
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Speaker 1: supposedly she knows her way around the court. Yes, supposedly
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Speaker 1: because she set for the bar doesn't mean she actually
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Speaker 1: can get through the court system. But she passed the
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Speaker 1: bar and has been practicing and has done fairly well.
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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at her right now. Not only is
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Speaker 1: she smart, he's very attractive. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: So how does this woman who's on TV all the
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Speaker 1: time and all of her causes running her ranch end
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Speaker 1: up being charged with hiring a hit man? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. At first you heard Noel Brennan with
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Speaker 1: nine News. Now take a listen to Brian Mass at
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Speaker 1: CBS four. Denver court documents say much of what Jennifer Emmy,
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Speaker 1: who's also known as Jennifer Edwards, much of what she
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Speaker 1: said was secretly recorded by the would be hit man.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Emmy had testified before the legislature on animal rights
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Speaker 1: issues Welcome Back to the Animal of You, and hosted
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Speaker 1: an online show about animals. She established a non profit
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Speaker 1: ranch of Evergreen to accentuate the bond between humans and animals.
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Speaker 1: But this defender of animals now has to defend herself
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Speaker 1: against serious charges conspiracy to commit murder, stalking, and other charges.
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Speaker 1: Successful lawyer, beautiful family and croly and jail on a
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Speaker 1: very serious allegation. Her lawyer said, Emmy may have overreacted,
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Speaker 1: looked like the modeled family and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: our husband trades are in for a younger girl. I
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Speaker 1: don't think it would surprise anybody that Jennifer, anybody in
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Speaker 1: that situation would probably be pretty irate, overreact, irate. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's just have a little reality check right now, being
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Speaker 1: irate or overreacting. Yeah, I overreacted when my husband loaded
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Speaker 1: the dishwasher the other night, Bethany Marshall. I cook, he
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Speaker 1: cleans up, that's the deal. Of course I have to
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Speaker 1: help him. But the next morning I pulled out a
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Speaker 1: coffee mug at the bottom nothing but broccoli. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: I may have overreacted a little bit when I swallowed
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Speaker 1: the broccoli the next morning. But there's a big difference
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Speaker 1: in overreacting and getting put in the can for a
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Speaker 1: hiring a hitman. Nancy, I cannot tell you the number
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Speaker 1: of times in my Beverly Hills office somebody says, you know,
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Speaker 1: I want to tell you something about my husband, but
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Speaker 1: I don't want you to report me. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: you wish she was dead, and they're like, yeah, but
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Speaker 1: just for the last ten minutes. You know, Later that
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Speaker 1: day I fell back in love with him again, meaning
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Speaker 1: that these feelings of anger and went around should be
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Speaker 1: transient and temporary. Taking that feeling planning to murder somebody,
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Speaker 1: hauling a hitman, setting something in motion is taking it
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Speaker 1: not just to a whole other level, but it's really
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Speaker 1: an indicator of a very sick, twisted mind. I even wonder,
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Speaker 1: you know, perhaps she lost her husband in the first place.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps he perhaps he left her for a younger man,
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Speaker 1: because there was something very disturbed in her counternality. Younger woman,
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Speaker 1: the other woman. He apparently left her just to rub
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Speaker 1: salt in the wound. Not only for a younger woman,
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Speaker 1: but I believe it was the family pair. Okay, that
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Speaker 1: had to hurt. However, Nancy, that is a motive for murder.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, I have to jump in here. I have
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Speaker 1: discovered that in an Affidavid that was filed in this case,
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Speaker 1: at some point Emmy's husband, Jennifer's husband said he caught
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Speaker 1: her cheating during the marriage. I'm not sure says he cheating.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if that's before her or after he left
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Speaker 1: her for the pair? Guys, what's going on in this marriage?
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Speaker 1: And more importantly, how does she end up doing a
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Speaker 1: deal with a hitman? Just got more gun? Professor forensics.
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Speaker 1: Have you noticed how often you think you're dealing with
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Speaker 1: a hitman, but actually they're a fed, or they're the
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Speaker 1: local GBI or CBI, they're actually law enforcement or whoever
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Speaker 1: you're contracting for the hit runs straight to police. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you gotta be careful shopping for hit man, right. Yeah. Oops.
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Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever heard a recording
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Speaker 1: of a scheduled hit. I was still working or a
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Speaker 1: proposed hit, still working in New Orleans and had a
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Speaker 1: buddy that was working undercover, and you said, you got
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Speaker 1: to hear this tape, And it was a lady that
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Speaker 1: had that had kind of let me give you the
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Speaker 1: scenario very quickly. She had gone into a local biker bar,
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Speaker 1: Nancy and openly, openly ask is there somebody here that
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Speaker 1: could kill my husband for me? And so you know
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Speaker 1: there's a snitch in there there. So everybody goes, yeah, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: there's a guy in there that needed to get the
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Speaker 1: cops off his back. He immediately went to his probation
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Speaker 1: officers said can I get a lighter sentence? I want
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Speaker 1: to tell you about this lady that's approached me for
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Speaker 1: a hit. It's not somebody you find, certainly in the
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Speaker 1: biker bars. Certainly somebody you're not going to find well
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Speaker 1: old reference here in the yellow pages. And yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: an easy way to get set up. And this is
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Speaker 1: very serious. These are very serious charges. And look, the
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Speaker 1: cool thing about this is that most of tom when
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Speaker 1: you approach the cops and you get into their car,
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Speaker 1: you got a recording device that's doing audio, and you've
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Speaker 1: got videography. I love these cases where you have videography
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Speaker 1: of these individuals and as soon as they make that
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Speaker 1: statement that you know makes them culpable in this event,
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Speaker 1: moving forward, and suddenly the cops open up the door
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Speaker 1: and they say you're under arrest. It's the shock of
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Speaker 1: all shocks, you know, Greg Smith, Special Deputy Sheriff, Johnson
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Softwaging Helsey's Army dot Com. It's also amazing
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Speaker 1: to me that a mastermind of a murder, and I'm
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Speaker 1: using that term very loosely, would just approach somebody they
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Speaker 1: work with, or walk into a biker bar as just
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Speaker 1: got Mortgages described, and think these people are going to
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Speaker 1: go along with their murder plan. The arrogance, the just
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Speaker 1: the impudence of thinking just because you ask somebody to
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Speaker 1: commit a murder, they're just gonna go along with it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Greg, if somebody came up to you and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: I want to I want to murder my husband, are
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Speaker 1: you in of course you'd call the Sheriff's office. So
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Speaker 1: have you ever seen a scenario where a perp just
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Speaker 1: assumes their cohorts are going to go along with your plan.
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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of TV shows that go along
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Speaker 1: that way. Thank this for some reason that the series
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Speaker 1: Yellowstone keeps running through my head when I look at
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Speaker 1: all the facts of this case. But it's I thought
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Speaker 1: it was interesting that it's a ranch hand that she
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Speaker 1: went to. But I haven't seen anything that indicates he
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Speaker 1: had any kind of criminal background, so I don't know. Well,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, yet again, Greg Smith, strange why she
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Speaker 1: would pick that person out? Yes, exactly, guys, I want
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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to our friends at CBS
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Speaker 1: for Denver. Emmy had been in a messy split with
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Speaker 1: her husband, and at one point last year, a ranch
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Speaker 1: hand working for her told police Emmy asked him to quote,
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Speaker 1: take care of her husband's girlfriend. He told authorities, Emmy
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Speaker 1: asked him about quote taking her out. He recorded a
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Speaker 1: call in which Emmy asked, quote if he knew anyone
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Speaker 1: who could help get rid of her, nobody will miss her.
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Speaker 1: The ranch hand told police investigators he believed Emmy was serious,
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Speaker 1: and investigators also say when they searched Emmy's computer, he
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Speaker 1: found she had searched for quote, how to get rid
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Speaker 1: of the other woman for good, you know, leaving a
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Speaker 1: trail a mile wide and someone that shouldn't know better.
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Speaker 1: This woman was a practicing lawyer, and I say, said earlier,
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Speaker 1: you can't get out of law school without taking criminal law,
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Speaker 1: criminal procedure, and constitutional law. Those are mandatory requirements just
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Speaker 1: to get your beginner's license as a lawyer. Much Let's
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Speaker 1: get out there in practice. But that's what we're hearing.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. Following up on what Greg Smith
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Speaker 1: from Johnson County Sheriff's Office had to say, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Gary Shapiro, an animal rights lawyer from Evergreen,
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Speaker 1: is accused of trying to have the girlfriend of her
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Speaker 1: a strange husband murdered. Police say Jennifer Emmy had multiple
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Speaker 1: people hired to murder, harass, and surveil her husband's girlfriend
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Speaker 1: and other witnesses in her other criminal cases. Emmy has
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Speaker 1: been charged with sixteen felonies and sixteen misdemeanors since January
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Police say
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Emmy had multiple people hired to murder, harass, and
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Speaker 1: surveil her husband's girlfriend and other witnesses in her other
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Speaker 1: criminal cases. Emmy has been charged with sixteen felonies and
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Speaker 1: sixteen misdemeanors since January of twenty twenty. Okay, what do
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Speaker 1: you make of that? Dotor? Bethany Marshall, Well, I was
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Speaker 1: just thinking about the fact that Emmy apparently had an
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Speaker 1: affair of her own and what I see him that
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Speaker 1: sex with you, but've got a potential dead body, and
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Speaker 1: you want to rehash Emmy's affair, okayhead is that she
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Speaker 1: was obsessed with the perception, the fantasy that her husband
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Speaker 1: would betray her, would cheat on her, so she had
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Speaker 1: her own affair to get even with him. I see
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Speaker 1: this all the time in clinical practice, where you see, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was, it's revenge sex. It's reversing the feeling, yes
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Speaker 1: it is, go ahead. It's reversing the feeling of rejection
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Speaker 1: that you're constantly afflicted with into the other person and
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Speaker 1: wanting them to feel how you feel. So this woman
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Speaker 1: appears to have the profile of the stalker. She thinks
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Speaker 1: he's cheating, so she goes in cheat. So then he
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Speaker 1: leaves her. Then he then he takes off with THEO pair,
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Speaker 1: So then she stalks him, and she wants to punish him.
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Speaker 1: And the whole thing is just a downward spiral. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking of all the times I was in
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Speaker 1: the cream. Sorry, I'm getting I'm getting lost in what
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Speaker 1: you're saying. The psycho. I'm not going to say Babel,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say rhetoric, because let me understand this if
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Speaker 1: let's just say, you catch your husband cheating, why don't
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Speaker 1: you just break up? Why do you have to then
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Speaker 1: go find somebody to cheat with, then cheat with them
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Speaker 1: in secret, and then arrange with a husband to find
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Speaker 1: out you're cheating to punish him. Why don't you just
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Speaker 1: break up and take half the money? Because the idea
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Speaker 1: of problem solving having a conversation mutual dialogue is unthinkable.
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Speaker 1: You hate. I didn't say anything about mutual dialogue. I
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Speaker 1: said break up. Why didn't Scott Peterson simply divorced Lacy
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Speaker 1: once he started having any answering a question with a question? Okay,
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Speaker 1: So bottom line, you see this woman who has it all, Bethany.
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Speaker 1: She's got a law degree, the ranch, the admirers, she's
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Speaker 1: on TV all the time. She's a media and animal
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Speaker 1: rights darling. I don't get it. Why not just break up? Nancy?
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Speaker 1: Are you doctor Bethany Marshall? Because this is actually hey,
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Speaker 1: this is actually in her field. I gotta say this,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you this idea such she is such
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Speaker 1: a lover of animals, and you know she goes on
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Speaker 1: and oh she's on TV. She's talking about Oh, well,
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Speaker 1: only we can defend the animals. What about what about
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Speaker 1: the husbands? I don't I don't understand this. How can you?
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Speaker 1: How can you say? Not you? I'm just you, the
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Speaker 1: universal you. I don't see how you could say that
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Speaker 1: you're this defender of rights for animals, but yet you
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Speaker 1: you could potentially have your own husband slaughtered. I wonder
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Speaker 1: if she'd be willing to take a hit out on
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Speaker 1: a puppy. I haven't even better guy. She was also
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Speaker 1: investigated for choking her child. Did you say, Ali give
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Speaker 1: you un additional love? They? Literally? They not always? What
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Speaker 1: about when your child is two and child says no. Well,
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Speaker 1: I've got a theory for you. Talking Aboutthanny Marshall. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me see if I can say this in psycho
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Speaker 1: talk psychoanalysts not talk. What if the animals or everything
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Speaker 1: around her were simply a means to an end, the animals,
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Speaker 1: her husband, a child, the pair, everything around her, or
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Speaker 1: a vehicle for her own self advancement. What if she
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Speaker 1: didn't really love the animals, or if they were just
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Speaker 1: a way to make a living and get donations and
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Speaker 1: be on TV and everything she ever dreamed of. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you are willing to murder a human, are you
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Speaker 1: really that attached to other living creatures. Well, maybe you're suggesting,
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Speaker 1: like the alcoholic who works in a bar, or the
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Speaker 1: predator sex predator who becomes a teacher, that they organized
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Speaker 1: their entire life around their preoccupations, their pathology, their obsessions,
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Speaker 1: their addiction. I don't think that's I don't think I
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Speaker 1: had advanced that far. But go ahead, just heard to
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Speaker 1: maybe imagine she loved animals so much. If she's accused
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Speaker 1: of choking a child, if she is accused of hiring
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Speaker 1: a hit man for a hit. But wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: everybody holds your horses. Maybe it wasn't just one hit.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Noel Brennan at nine yees. A
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Speaker 1: thirty three page arrest report details a relationship that unraveled.
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Speaker 1: Since January of twenty twenty, Emmy was charged in five
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Speaker 1: separate felony cases. The arrest report says crimes included domestic violence, stalking,
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Speaker 1: child abuse, and retaliating against people involved in her cases.
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Speaker 1: The report says in November, a ranch hand who worked
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Speaker 1: for Emmy and Evergreen told investigators Emmy had asked him
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Speaker 1: to quote take care of her soon to be ex
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Speaker 1: husband's girlfriend. The report says. The ranch hand played along
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Speaker 1: and warned Emmy her husband might be killed two the
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Speaker 1: ranch hand told investigators, Emmy responded, quote, I'm inclined to
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Speaker 1: kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Emmy
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Speaker 1: was arrested January twenty fifth and is being held in
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Speaker 1: jail on three million dollars cash bond. The woman is
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Speaker 1: not insane. She's a practicing lawyer with a huge ranch
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Speaker 1: and various animal rights nonprofits that she gets donations for.
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Speaker 1: But she is saying, adam inclined to kill two birds
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Speaker 1: with one stone. In other words, I take that to
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Speaker 1: me and Tyler Hunt reporting with crime online dot Com,
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Speaker 1: she wanted to kill the husband and the opair. That's correct.
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Speaker 1: It originally started about the opair and sort of merged
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Speaker 1: into being okay with killing both of them. She talked
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Speaker 1: to that original ranch hand, to his twenty eight year
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Speaker 1: old Timothy Lindsay, and he's actually spoken to another ranch
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Speaker 1: hand who is the former sniper that Greg Smith mentioned.
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Speaker 1: So the other ranch hand involved as Seth McCallum. But
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Speaker 1: she's actually spoken to two people about this. Uh, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was targeting both the husband or both the ex
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Speaker 1: husband and the old parrot same time, so you know,
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Speaker 1: you just can't get good help. You know, she goes
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Speaker 1: to one ranch hand about committing a murder and then
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Speaker 1: he blabs it to another ranch hand. You know, I've
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Speaker 1: always said Greg Smith, Greg Smith's Special Deputy Sheriff Johnson
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office and Director of Kelsey's Army dot com.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe in conspiracies, you know, I because nobody
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Speaker 1: can keep their out shut. It's just impossible. Somebody is
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Speaker 1: going to talk to somebody. End of story. Do you
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Speaker 1: agree or disagree? There? You got the ranch hands out
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Speaker 1: and the out of the barn talking about a murder hit.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well known book about Hell's Angels. Three can
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Speaker 1: keep a secret if two are dead. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: that's the way it is. Somebody always rolls when you
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Speaker 1: get into one of these conspiracies, especially when you've got
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Speaker 1: something as bizarre as this one is. Well, you may
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Speaker 1: wonder why I'm actually even smiling because I'm happy then
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Speaker 1: nobody is dead yet, thank God in heaven. But it
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Speaker 1: was not for the lot of trying crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. After you Tyler Hunt crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: A thirty three page arrest report how many charges. Let's
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Speaker 1: say we've got five separate felony charges. What are they?
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Speaker 1: So she's been charged with three separate counts solicitation of
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Speaker 1: first degree murder, two counts of retaliating against the witness
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Speaker 1: or victim, and three counts of stalking. That all sort
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Speaker 1: of brings in some of the evidence that they found
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Speaker 1: of her researching some of her past clients or past
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Speaker 1: people she's dealt with in the courtroom and judges, because
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Speaker 1: they did find evidence of her researching people she had
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Speaker 1: dealt with in the courtroom and writing names down on
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Speaker 1: notes of paper. So that's where those charges comeing. Okay,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, that writing names down on notes of paper.
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Speaker 1: My twins could do that. But you must go a
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Speaker 1: lot further to get a felony charge. There had to
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Speaker 1: be something written beside those names, like I'm going to
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Speaker 1: kill this in the first then that one second, I
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Speaker 1: mean to Kathleen Murphy, she's got five felony counts against her,
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Speaker 1: two of them obviously, or for the kits, one on
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Speaker 1: the husband, one on the pair that he allegedly sleeping with.
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Speaker 1: All right, not judging Dan, you've got which hallier against witnesses?
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Speaker 1: Then you've got stalking charges. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: the charges? Legit? I think she's going to go down.
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Speaker 1: She said that there's not enough evidence that she's a victim,
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Speaker 1: that she's been an advocate her entire life, and that
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Speaker 1: this is all a mistake. She spoke when she was
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Speaker 1: on steroids. That's exactly what she said. Yeah, she's actually
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Speaker 1: now saying she was set up and that she said
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Speaker 1: all of these things when she was high on steroids.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we all know voluntary use of drugs or alcohol,
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Speaker 1: it's not a defense under the law. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: now to our Frankiegan Harshaw at Fox thirty one, and
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Speaker 1: I strongly believe that when you rescue at animal, it
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Speaker 1: rescues you right back. Jennifer Emmy made a career out
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Speaker 1: of rescuing animals. The Evergreen attorney found a Colorado's animal
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Speaker 1: law center. But fast forward a couple of years, I'm
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Speaker 1: the one that ends up getting charged and Emmy is
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Speaker 1: now in need of being rescued herself. I've always fought
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Speaker 1: for the enderdog, and now I'm the underdog. How did
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Speaker 1: this turn into her fighting for the underdog? Guys? The
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Speaker 1: Evergreen resident and lawyer Jennifer Amy, also known as Jennifer Edwards,
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Speaker 1: arrested charged with solicitation a first degree murder, two counts
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Speaker 1: of retaliating against a witness or victim, and three counts
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Speaker 1: of stalking. According to an affidavit that has just been
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Speaker 1: filed in the Jefferson County by the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office,
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Speaker 1: to you, Tyler Hunt, who was she stalking allegedly, So
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Speaker 1: this goes to the husband and the old pair. They've
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Speaker 1: told investigators that they've been living in constant fear due
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Speaker 1: to the domestic violence incidents that have been going on,
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Speaker 1: and they've said they've at times that they leave their
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Speaker 1: home and go into hiding and said they frequently see
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Speaker 1: vehicles passing with people taking photos. That's all in the affidavit,
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Speaker 1: So it apparently has been going on for a while.
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Speaker 1: There's also in the background of this, the marriage trial
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Speaker 1: that's sort of going on, and she's claiming that all
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Speaker 1: of this is an attempt to wield a sword against
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Speaker 1: her in that marriage battle. So it's a bit of
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Speaker 1: a backdrop too. Well, there may be a backdrop, but
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Speaker 1: what I know is what I've heard on tape. Take
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Speaker 1: a listener our Frank Keegan Harsha at Fox thirty one.
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Speaker 1: Since January of twenty twenty, Emmy has been charged with
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Speaker 1: sixteen felonies in five different cases. The crimes range from
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Speaker 1: domestic violence and stalking to child abuse and retaliating against witnesses,
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Speaker 1: but no charge is more serious than conspiracy to commit murder.
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Speaker 1: I was set up, and I have been repeatedly set up,
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Speaker 1: and all I can say is I want the truth
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Speaker 1: to come out. Well, as Oscar Wilde famously said, be
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Speaker 1: careful what you ask, my dear for you will surely
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Speaker 1: get it. You want the truth to come out, the
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Speaker 1: truth and close tape recordings of her allegedly asking for
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Speaker 1: someone to murder her husband. Take a listen again to
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Speaker 1: Keegan Harsha Fox thirty one. Emmy agreed to sit down
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Speaker 1: with us inside the Jay to tell her side of
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Speaker 1: the story. He talks about this murder for higher I mean,
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Speaker 1: what can you say about it? This whole thing is crazy.
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Speaker 1: This whole thing is crazy. I don't want to hurt anyone.
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Speaker 1: Things happen, but not the way, not anything that's in
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Speaker 1: the report. Did you want to kill? Did you want
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Speaker 1: harm to come? I don't want anybody hurt or injured,
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Speaker 1: of course, not what an investigator side differently arresting Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Emmy on January twenty fifth. She's now being held on
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Speaker 1: a three million dollars cash bonds. I wouldn't be able
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Speaker 1: to wait to play that in front of a jury,
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Speaker 1: knowing full well that the judge will instruct the jury
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Speaker 1: that one may immediately regret the deed. But that does
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Speaker 1: not negate intent to commit harm at the time of
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Speaker 1: the incident. When she first bargained with someone to commit
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Speaker 1: a double murder hiring a hit person, the deed was done.
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Speaker 1: It's over with. She can cry all she wants to
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Speaker 1: blame steroids and an autoimmune deficiency. That does not negate
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Speaker 1: what she said allegedly to the hired help. Of course,
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Speaker 1: this would not be the first time that a woman
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Speaker 1: is hired a hit on her husband. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to is the name Dahlia Dippolito ring a bell? Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to? Our friends At ABC twenty twenty, Terry
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Speaker 1: Parker investigated. Reporter for WPPF twenty five News covered the story. So,
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Speaker 1: this guy Mohammed walks into the Boying Beach police station
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Speaker 1: and he says, I know a woman who's trying to
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Speaker 1: hire a hitman to kill her husband. She asked ifind
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Speaker 1: someone who can kill her husband for her. The man,
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Speaker 1: Mohammed Shahati, was recorded as he talked to detectives about
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Speaker 1: his one time lover, Dahlia Dippolito. He tells bullies he's
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Speaker 1: speaking out to save the man's life. Yes, because serious
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Speaker 1: on eating this gun. It's white a story if true,
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Speaker 1: because while he can describe Dahlia seven dark looking girl girl,
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Speaker 1: actually he can't even tell cops her last name or
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Speaker 1: her address. By the time, we didn't know what to believe.
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Speaker 1: We were kind of, you know, when sure what we had.
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Speaker 1: They had the reservations. They had to say, let's see
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Speaker 1: some proof. To get proof, the cops make Muhammad a
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Speaker 1: confidential informant. He arranges to meet Dahlia at this gas station.
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Speaker 1: Cops are staked out as their mystery woman arrives. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm happy to report that the staying occurred before the
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Speaker 1: hit went down. But the staying included pretending the hit
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Speaker 1: went down and then informing the grieving bride. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to police Sergeant Ramsey breaking the knees to Dahlia
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Speaker 1: di polto her husband is I'm sorry to Ramsey. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to call you. Thank you for comment. I'm
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Speaker 1: sorry to call you. Listen, we had to a report
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Speaker 1: of the disturbance at your house and there were shots
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Speaker 1: fired as your husband, Michael. Okay, I'm sorry to tell
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Speaker 1: you man, he's been killed. You've been killed. Try to
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Speaker 1: calm up right now. We need to we need to
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Speaker 1: get I can't look. We have to do our job.
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Speaker 1: You want to find a stiller, okay. We need you
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Speaker 1: to calm down. I need you to go with these dives. Okay.
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Speaker 1: If you have enemies, is there anyone who want to
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Speaker 1: hurt them? Okay, who want to hurt him? Witness you
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Speaker 1: said they saw a blackmail running from you. I can't
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Speaker 1: like to stain them them, Madam. I cannot do this
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Speaker 1: right now. I need you. I need you to take
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Speaker 1: your station. I can't go with these detections. If you
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Speaker 1: want to help your husband, okay, If you want to
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Speaker 1: help your husband, you need to go to the station
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Speaker 1: with these younges and tell us everything you know about
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Speaker 1: who he knows, who's connected to the boy. We were
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Speaker 1: in taking care of dogs around will control for right now,
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Speaker 1: everything's under control. It hurts to hear that, But keep
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Speaker 1: in mind it's all fake. That's all I discussed with
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Speaker 1: ABC's Amy Robot. Listen, we know the cops are acting.
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Speaker 1: What about Dahlia. It's all of that tremors and shaking
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Speaker 1: of her body. There wasn't any real tears coming on
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Speaker 1: grind that they're screening. They're bending over a narrow street.
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Speaker 1: Wherever you are tonight, don't worry, you're safe. They hustled
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Speaker 1: Dahlia off to this interrogation room for questioning. Another recorded moment,
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Speaker 1: are you you don't know? Anybody will you would want
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Speaker 1: to kill her? It's almost like something out of Law
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Speaker 1: and Order. They got down to serious business in the
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Speaker 1: end to Polito convicted. Of course, while she was out
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Speaker 1: on her house arrest, she mused to get pregnant and
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Speaker 1: have baby. Don't know how that happened. She's not the
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Speaker 1: only one. Take a Listen to ABC seven New Chicaca
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Speaker 1: reporter John Garcia. We're talking about Tina Jones and a
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Speaker 1: dark web murder for hire plot. Jones was having an
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Speaker 1: affair with the intended victim's husband, who she worked with.
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Speaker 1: She used the relative anonymity of the dark web to
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Speaker 1: hire a company called Sicilian Hitman International to kill his
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Speaker 1: wife all from her quiet, suburban displays apartment. But a
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Speaker 1: network news organization investigating the dark web stumbled down to
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Speaker 1: the plot and reported it to Woodridge Police. Without their
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Speaker 1: bringing this evidence to law enforcement's attention, who knows how
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Speaker 1: this case would have ended up. She admitted that she
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Speaker 1: had access to Hitman website. Investigators found evidence of bitcoin
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Speaker 1: payments and communication between Jones and the Hitman website on
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Speaker 1: her laptop Sicilian Hitman dot com. Really you think they
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Speaker 1: fbr train that site? Minute by minute? These women were
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Speaker 1: talking about real money. But in the case we're talking
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Speaker 1: about right now of animal rights activists and lawyer Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Emmy out of Evergreen, Colorado, she was talking about one
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars Tyler Hunt crimalline dot com. After discussing
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Speaker 1: the hit could cost up to one hundred grand, Emmy
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Speaker 1: allegedly said quote the money would not be a problem,
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Speaker 1: and the informant said he believed she was serious. Investigators
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Speaker 1: also alleged Emmy searched online for how to get rid
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Speaker 1: of the other woman for good, so we don't have
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Speaker 1: to worry about the money. I guess because she was
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Speaker 1: willing to pay a hundred grand for the hits. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's correct. She also looked up how to cover her
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Speaker 1: tracks online and how to abate law enforcement. So she
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Speaker 1: definitely I was thinking about after the fact as well.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, she definitely had a plan of mine. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to ignore computer searches like that, Jo Scott Morgan. Yeah, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it is difficult to ignore a computer search like that,
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Speaker 1: you know. I mean we're also tuned in nowadays, in
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Speaker 1: particular with things like Google searches, and you know what
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Speaker 1: you put in because anybody could be looking and listen
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Speaker 1: the idea of you know, when you mentioned the Sicilian
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Speaker 1: hit men, I remember this case and I thought, even
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Speaker 1: back then, who in their right mind would actually seek
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Speaker 1: out a group of people like this that would be
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Speaker 1: offering these kind of services because it's going to be
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Speaker 1: surveiled and there are key words that can go into this.
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Speaker 1: And you know, when you once you develop information in
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Speaker 1: an investigation, say for instance, in the case of this
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Speaker 1: woman that's trying to have the pair killed and of
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Speaker 1: course are soon to be ex husband, if you can
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Speaker 1: get that solid information where she's stating something and then
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Speaker 1: you follow that up with kind of a retroactive investigation,
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Speaker 1: go back and look through all of those logs and
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Speaker 1: all those things that are kept in her searches is
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Speaker 1: damning evidence. Nancy. As of right now, where a defense
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Speaker 1: attorney might like his client to have said I didn't
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Speaker 1: do it, she has said that it's all because of
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Speaker 1: the steroids. Now they're all locked into those statements. Remember
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Speaker 1: those statements were made to the press, to the media.
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Speaker 1: The constitution can protect you sometimes against what you say
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Speaker 1: to cops, by not what you blab to the press.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice un false. Nancy Grace crime story
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,