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Week Eleven · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Music. Welcome back to the Delmgree
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  Corner podcast, a part of the College Huddle network along
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  with my partner, Brian Siegler, Jonathan Talley and Shelton
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  Moss. I am Curtis Wilson and as
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  three O 1 S Main St. in Blacksburg.
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  And before we get everything started tonight, because we got
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  obviously a lot to unload. We have been preaching the last
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  three weeks. We had something to give away.
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  We've been asking people put 1999 in the chat.
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  Well over 100 people did that and subscribe to the YouTube
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  channel and earlier today, Brian, via the magic of
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  everything online nowadays, because you can put names in a
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  thing, they'll pull it out. We have our winner.
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  I can throw the process out there real quick.
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  It's a pain, yeah. All right, so I gathered all the
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  people that commented. I got them assigned a number.
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  I had AI pick a number for me, gave them the numbers that we
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  got, had them pick a number, trace that back to the name and
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  Curtis is going to read it for you.
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  The name of the winner and we hope you are listening tonight
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  because dude, jump in the comments and we can start trying
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  to get in touch with you. It is a Jonathan Harris 8975.
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  Jonathan Harris 8975. We appreciate you listening.
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  Not only that, but subscribing as well.
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  We will ask you to get in touch with us.
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  Brian, what's going to be the easiest way?
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  Hey, Twitter is probably going to be the best.
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  Hit us up at Twitter if you can't do that.
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  If you don't have a Twitter, best is going to be e-mail us
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  admin@boundarycornervt.com. Yep, big congratulations to
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  Jonathan there. And we are a four man crew
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  tonight. We got a lot to unload and
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  usually we start with tell the truth.
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  I I had to talk to these guys. I said we we can't tell the
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  truth because I think tell the truth is going to take a little
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  while tonight. I'm just being dead serious.
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  I don't think we're going to be here for four or five minutes
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  doing Tell the Truth on each section because we got a shit
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  ton to unload about what's going on with the program right now.
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  So we are going to start kind of out of routine.
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  We're going to start with Know the Enemy.
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  We need to talk about Clemson real quick because that game is
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  Saturday at 3:30 at Lane Stadium.
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  So we're going to jump into that right now.
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  We're going to talk a little bit about their players.
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  Brian did some tape review. Let's start with the offense.
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  Brian led by Garrett Riley, obviously from the Riley family
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  of offense. What's he running and what what
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  are we looking to see Saturday on at 3:30?
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  Yeah, looking at their offense, I mean this is the fast-paced
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  kind of run. First Air Raid esque system
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  emphasizes aggressive play calls.
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  They run a lot of 11 personnel and they have a a really big
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  focus on kind of establishing that run so they can get really
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  aggressive with their with their past play calls.
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  All right, and obviously led by you know four and five star
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  quarterback Cade Clubnick got off in Texas.
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  Solid number so far this year with Clubnick.
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  If y'all haven't seen, you know, 21 touchdowns, 3 picks well over
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  65 or just over 65% completion right at 2000 yards.
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  And if you look at his Russian numbers, like this is not like
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  Kyle fucking McCord last week. Cade's got some wheels.
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  Y'all seen it. He averages about five times
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  every time he takes off. So what?
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  What else do we see from him, Brian?
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  And then guys, anything y'all want to chime in with after
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  Brian gives his little breakdown?
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  Yeah. I mean, looking at Cade, man,
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  he's a yeah, he definitely dual threat, kind of a pass first
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  dual threat quarterback, has that gunslinger mentality.
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  So we'll sling it in the similar way we saw with McCord last
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  week, but definitely has more of a threat to take off in the
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  running game then then what we saw from McCord in Syracuse.
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  This is a guy that can make all the throws, does really well
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  with with slinging the football around, can make some things a
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  little bit off platform as well. Probably not as bread and
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  butter, but definitely not a not a weakness either.
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  He progresses through those reads pretty well, especially
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  for, you know, Mark, marginally experienced collegiate
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  quarterback at this point. But you know, thinking about
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  gunslinger mentality, he can't force throws, especially when
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  he's under duress and especially when he's kind of out there big
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  play hunting. Like a lot of times he'll try to
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  make the big play instead of the right play.
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  Tally Sheldon anything on clubnet with y'all seen?
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  I know y'all watch games. Sheldon, I know you probably
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  looked at some data points. Yeah, PFF really likes him, you
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  know, even more so than some of the overall efficiency metrics
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  would suggest. Now why is that?
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  I mean, I would say, you know a couple things pretty solid as a
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  runner. So that's part of it.
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  Also his his turn around worthy play percentage is pretty low,
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  less than 2%, which is pretty good.
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  So he's avoided the disastrous, disastrous plays overall in the
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  season for him, 21 to three touch interception ratio.
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  So he's been pretty, pretty efficient with the football the
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  entire season, really. Yep, same thing I was going to
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  say. I mean, 21 touchdowns, 3
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  interceptions, you got to get some pressure on them.
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  Definitely got to get some pressure on them, but the damn
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  pain in the ass thing about them as y'all seen is they've got a
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  damn good running game as well. If y'all hadn't seen Phil Moffa,
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  Phil again, Clemson somehow still recruiting at a high
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  level. Y'all like I was telling them,
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  how did they lose to Louisville? I'm trying to figure this out
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  because every single time I'm looking up guys and ratings, top
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  25 player, top 50 player, top 200 player.
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  Oh, he's one of the low ones. He's top 300.
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  How did they lose to a Louisville team at home?
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  But let's talk about Mafa. He was a top 200 player, 4 star
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  guy already this year. You know, well over 800 yards,
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  probably well on his way to 1000 yards, just about 6 1/2 a carry.
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  Brian, what else are you seeing from him?
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  Because he's a big boy at that. Yeah, he's a bruiser between the
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  tackles, man. You know, kind of a little bit
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  similar to tune in terms of after, after contact, really
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  good after contact, good vision between the tackles.
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  And you know, honestly, when we look at our defense kind of
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  areas that we've struggled, that's where he's good in
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  between the tackles, you know, turning some some plays that
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  should be a one or two yard gain into those 8 or 10 yard gains,
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  keeping the sticks moving. I'd call him an above average
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  receiver out of the backfield. He's not great, but he's
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  definitely serviceable in that capacity.
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  Probably the only weakness in this game.
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  He kind of lacks super high top end speed and he's not really
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  that elusive in the open field. So, you know, he's not
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  necessarily a home run threat, but he's a guy that's going to
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  just grind you out the whole game.
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  Sally Shelton. Anything y'all seen from him
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  watching or nothing? Nothing.
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  Right. Right now we trying to hold
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  emotions in y'all, because if once they explode in a little
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  while here, it ain't no going back.
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  That's why I knew we couldn't do this later, because once the
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  motions exploded and they are going to explode.
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  All right, Brian, I looked at the wide receiver room.
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  They don't have that stand out person.
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  So for so many years Clemson always had to stood out person,
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  whether it was Hopkins, you know, whether it was Sammy
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  Watkins either the years where was Hunter Renfro?
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  You knew Hunter Renfro was like that guy.
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  So you looked at the tape, who really popped to you over the
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  when you were reviewing the bat, the tapes there?
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  So looking at what they're doing, looking at kind of what's
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  hurt us a lot, My eyes kind of went a little bit of different
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  way here. So there's no real wide receiver
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  that's jumping out there. But stat wise, play wise,
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  they're kind of just guys in, in my opinion, it's it's it's kind
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  of riding the hot hand. But in terms of looking at what
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  it's kind of hurt our defense a lot this year.
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  I looked at Jake Brenningstool tight ends have really given us
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  fits, especially on those kind of plays that have kept the
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  sticks moving, kept the defense on the field for longer than we
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  like. So he's a guy that catches the
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  ball well, blocks well, they use him as a decoy.
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  He can do a little bit of everything that you want from a
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  tight end from a passing game perspective.
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  So he's he's a guy that, you know, he may not go out there
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  and, and, and catch for, you know, 80 plus yards, but he
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  could be a guy that burns us on a a handful of key first downs
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  that keeps them on the field. And obviously that's been a kind
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  of an issue kind of all year in the the the losses is extending
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  drives like a drive should be dead gone.
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  They should be putting the ball. And obviously that that does
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  worry Sheldon Valley. Anything on Jake or any of the
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  receiving threats? Yeah, 4 star.
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  You know how 4 star low five star guy to tidy in?
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  He's very good. You know, if they do anything
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  well, they're kind of running that little dump play to them.
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  We're going to have to, we're going to adjust really quickly
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  because he can catch, he can move, he can run a 6/6, 2:50
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  somewhere around there. He's got experience because he's
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  a senior, so we'll have our hands full.
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  John, anything from you? Yeah, Brian Wesco ranks pretty
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  highly. 17.5 average average yards per reception.
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  Only two TDs, but typically when you catch the ball it tends to
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  go for a pretty big game. Yeah, I do see that.
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  Only a couple touchdowns, but again, it's that over the top
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  play and again with you have Mafa, you know, up front there,
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  keep pounding you. I know somebody threw it in
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  there about him getting better. It usually is the same with the
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  big guys that always goes like that.
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  All right, let's flip over. Let's hit a little bit of their
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  defense led by Wes Goodwin, who I was reading after he got
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  torched last week. He might be getting fired.
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  I know Dabo don't like firing his people, but what's goodwill
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  maybe getting fired in a few weeks here if you don't get crap
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  together, probably by the end, if they lose South Carolina,
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  he's gone. He's gone.
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  I'll say that they lose South Carolina.
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  But Brian, what's he running and and what are they?
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  What is their big philosophy on the defensive side of the ball?
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  Yeah. I mean, it's a, it's a hybrid 43
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  defense. I mean, we're kind of looking at
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  something we're very familiar with this week, emphasis on
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  stopping the run, letting that defensive line pin their ears
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  back in those early, those late downs once they get you off the
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  off the schedule there. So that's really their game
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  plan. They've got a bunch of horses up
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  front that can really do that very well.
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  And I'm sure we're going to talk about them here shortly.
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  Yeah, we are going to talk about them because that was the first
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  thing like when I looked at where their their their run stop
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  was and I started looking at the horses up front Demonte,
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  Capehart, Peyton Page just jumped off And the first of all
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  super high ranked guys when they came out one in 2020 with
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  Capehart, 2021 Peyton Page, if that name sounds familiar, he's
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  from down in Greensboro. I do believe for a while the
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  Hokies were in the mix for Paige.
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  Tally, you're more the expert on that.
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  But I feel like we were in the mix for Paige for a little while
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  coming out of Greensboro. Obviously didn't land in both
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  those guys. You know, top 247 players,
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  Capehart effectively basically a top 50 player, a top 10
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  defensive tackle and tally. They ain't small by any means,
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  are they? No, Heck no.
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  And you got size all across the board.
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  You know, even when you feel like Clemson's having a down
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  year, they still have talent all over the field.
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  So when you talk about all these high-ranking guys, they're
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  high-ranking for a reason. I think NIL has spread it some
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  of the wealth out with some players and transfers and stuff.
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  But schools like Clemson are still going to be really
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  talented, really talented schools, and you have to out
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  coach them to beat them. Brian, what did you see on both
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  these guys? You know, where are they playing
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  as far as is one of three tech or we got a shade one eye.
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  What, what are what are we seeing from these guys from your
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  tape observations? Yeah, when we look at at the
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  tape, the more traditional 3 technique is going to be Peyton,
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  Paige. He's a lot more comfortable with
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  that position. They will kind of move these
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  guys around a little bit, but he's definitely more
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  comfortable. 3 technique, you know, Speaking of Paige in
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  particular, technician, high motor, really good, good
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  quickness at the snap of the football.
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  Probably when you look at at weaknesses, probably a little
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  underpowered for an interior guy.
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  He's he's got what you would call a weight room strength, but
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  it doesn't always translate onto the field like you would like it
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  to see. So you kind of get can get
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  caught up hand fighting instead of shedding kind of in the
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  interior there. But he's definitely more the the
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  three technique. When we look at we look at Cape
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  art, kind of the opposite, exceptionally strong at the
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  point of attack. I mean this dude is strength
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  personified but still has great athleticism for that size.
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  Plays with good leverage, really good at shedding those blocks.
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  Probably the only thing that he struggles with is, you know, pad
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  level. Playing a little bit too tall in
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  the middle there. All right.
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  And there was one other guy. Golly, I lost his name.
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  I thought I had it wrote down. They did have another pretty big
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  guy. Occasionally they'll line up at
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  the end. If I find it, I'll get it to
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  you. But I want to talk about the
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  edge because obviously we know there's a problem.
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  People already putting it in the chat and everything.
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  TJ Parker is obviously their big stud, there is no doubt.
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  And that's fine. You got one stud, it's OK, but
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  you can do things. But Brian, you know, Tally, why
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  don't you talk on TJ Parker for in a second here because he
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  comes from down your way. But we got TJ.
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  We know he's all world huge recruit tallies.
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  Don't break that info down in a second.
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  But who's the other guy that may give us some problems Saturday?
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  Peter Woods man, still a young guy, kind of a tweener.
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  D tackle DN they they line him up a little bit of everywhere,
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  but he's a guy that they played a lot more at D in this year.
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  Quick off the snap, can bend the edge surprisingly well and has
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  incredible stamina for a bigger guy.
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  And you know, also for a bigger guy, great motor and violent
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  hands. So he's he's a bigger in he's
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  not going to be a guy that's going to go out there and just
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  absolutely, you know, speed rush you off the edge.
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  But he's got a lot of lot of tools out there.
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  And like I said, he's got that position flexibility where they
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  can slide him inside when they need to.
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  Tally, What about TJ Parker, man?
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  I mean, he is from down in Alabama.
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  Is that a name that you are familiar with?
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  You know, before he even got to Clemson?
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  Oh, yeah, TJ Parker is, I think we talked about somebody last
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  week from from Phoenix City is where he's from, Central,
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  Central, Phoenix City High School, always a powerhouse.
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  I mean, they've got many, many state championships.
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  They play in the biggest division in Alabama.
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  Very, very talented play. I mean, he had offers from
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  everywhere. I think he kind of got down to
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  Penn State and Clemson and Alabama or something like that.
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  So Uber talented guy, you know, great, great body size, was a
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  monster in high school. You know, just you see it all
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  over there, you see it all over their their their roster, you
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  know what I'm saying? But also what you see over their
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  roster is that they're very beatable.
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  You know, with them having these talented guys, they're they're a
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  beatable team. But you know, just staying on on
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  TJTJ Parker is a is a handful to deal with.
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  You know, he's a he's a great player and very highly ranked
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  out of high school. Like I said, another five star,
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  four-star high 4 star, if you want to say, but may have been
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  like a 98 somewhere around there.
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  So very talented kid and you have to you have to coach the
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  beat the beat defenses like that.
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  I mean, that's all I can say. But he's he's, he's going to be
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  a handful. And real quick and somebody put
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  this put up James's in thing because yeah, I didn't get a
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  chance up. But yeah, that was a good point.
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  Yeah, yeah. We may not see.
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  Cape No no, Officially ruled out.
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  Officially ruled out. Officially ruled out.
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  Sorry y'all. We occasionally go to work and
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  occasionally we don't get to listen to everything and read
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  everything. And I got Swanwood work when I
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  got home. All the kids were here with me.
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  So yeah, if you hear them in the background, I'm sorry.
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  Yeah. It was announced in Dabos
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  presser earlier today that Capehart will not play this
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  week. That is a huge loss for them,
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  potentially a huge win for the Hokies in that sense.
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  So you might see. A lot of Williams you might see
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  a lot of. Williams.
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  Woods maybe sliding inside. Yeah, so there you go.
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  There you go. Making Chris laugh out here.
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  That's a good thing. I as always, it it's Clemson.
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  I won't say it Tally, but you know it who who's the white blue
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  kid? Because, you know, they got one
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  and they're the white blue kid. Man, I mean, the quarterback,
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  whoever, a linebacker, and they got plenty of them.
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  This, this going to come in and they're going to play hard.
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  And again, I, I honestly, I looked at hardly no Clemson
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  players because whoever lines up on the field against us, it
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  doesn't matter. It does not matter because we
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  can play with the best of teams and we can play down with the
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  worst of teams. But it's going to start with us
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  and how we handle things, which is what we're going to talk
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  about a little later. Oh yeah, and it's fastly
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  approaching. But Brian, I know Woody Wood is,
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  is one of them. He is the white glue guy, but
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  they got another glue guy out there as well that you liked on
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  tape. Yeah, I mean, it starts and ends
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  of Barrett Carter, man. Exceptional athleticism, really
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  good change of direction, sideline to sideline type.
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  Linebacker can do a little bit of everything.
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  Good against the run, pretty good in pass coverage.
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  Good Blitzer, high football IQ guy.
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  Looking at him probably a bit undersized, which kind of even,
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  you know, feeds more into the glue guy aspect of of his game
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  there probably the biggest weaknesses that he will
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  occasionally miss some run fits here and there.
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  But in terms of athleticism and and just overall ability, he's
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  the guy that kind of holds everything together on that
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  defensive side. All right, Sheldon, you said you
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  had a couple things you want to throw in here about the defense.
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  Well, yeah, and the team is all so Clemson is not elite at
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  anyone particular thing, but they're very well-rounded.
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  So you know, they rank, you know, mid 20s, high 30s and
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  pretty much all of the big advanced statistical categories,
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  defense, EPA per rush allowed, 32nd per drop back 31st.
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  You know, they're top 35 in EPA per rush and drop back on
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  offense as well. So success rate's pretty good
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  too. So just a pretty well-rounded
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  team. They're not bad at anything.
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  The one set that stands out to me is they lead the country in
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  rush rate below expectations. So in other words, they pass the
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  ball more frequently than you would expect based on down a
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  distance. So they're going to sling the
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  ball around the yard pretty much the whole game.
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  So it's going to obviously put a lot of stress on Tech's corners,
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  certainly linebackers, the safeties.
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  So we'll see how that goes. But I would say overall, just
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  just a solid team that does everything pretty well, just not
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  necessarily a lead at one particular thing.
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  All righty so there it is. I told y'all we were going to
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  get through this quick. Ain't as usual where we get a
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  lot more looking at people. Y'all know Tally?
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  I love Tally because Tally will come down sneaky and go watch
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  the extra game film and then pop in with a couple numbers.
• 21:52
  It won't going to be that way this week.
• 21:54
  It just won't. So as y'all know.
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  It's a couple reasons. It's a couple reasons.
• 21:58
  For them, oh, it is number. One, I think not a lot of people
• 22:02
  need to know who Clemson is. Right.
• 22:06
  So I mean, we kind of know who they are.
• 22:08
  We see them, they get kind of plastered up on any key ACC Game
• 22:13
  of the week, national media covers them.
• 22:16
  If you're just casually listening to ESPN or Fox or any
• 22:21
  of those, you're going to get a decent idea of who the guys are
• 22:26
  for Clemson. The other reason is what
• 22:29
  happened on Saturday to the Hokies and how we wanted to give
• 22:34
  all of us are tell the truth a little bit more room to breathe
• 22:38
  this week, if you will. Because we do need to let it
• 22:42
  breathe. And as we go over to tell the
• 22:44
  truth, we are brought to you by Count's family pharmacy, your
• 22:48
  friendly neighborhood pharmacy, three O 1 S Main St.
• 22:51
  Blacksburg. I'm surprised Jeremy didn't
• 22:52
  message us want to come on this week so he could scream and
• 22:55
  curse as much as Jeremy does. But we've got to tell the truth
• 22:58
  because the Ruth is this week. We've got a lot to tell about
• 23:01
  ourselves and I feel like we do this once a year.
• 23:04
  Obviously, we always do it in the state of the program, but
• 23:07
  there's a lot going on when you lose your fourth game of the
• 23:10
  year by less than one score. Virginia Tech has lost four
• 23:15
  games by less than one score. I think it's a total combined.
• 23:20
  Is it 21 four games by 21.22 points?
• 23:24
  It's 21 because it was 774 and 3:00 and we got to start talking
• 23:30
  about Coach Fry. We got to start doing a lot of
• 23:32
  stuff so right now this is how we're going to start.
• 23:35
  I want to see it in the comments as well, because I want to see
• 23:38
  how the pulse a hokey nation is going, but here's what I got to
• 23:42
  go first of all, I'm going to start with tally because I'm
• 23:47
  starting with you Iron Man let's.
• 23:49
  Do it iron. Man, put pull the mask down.
• 23:52
  On a scale of one to 10, one being all in, 10 being
• 23:57
  completely out, Where are you on coach Brent Pry as it stands?
• 24:03
  Remember, Remember the No 5th of November?
• 24:06
  10 being all out, 10 being. Completely out.
• 24:11
  Without explanation explanation right now I would probably say
• 24:16
  seven. OK, 7 for me.
• 24:19
  Seven for you, Shelton. 7. OK, y'all are at the sevens.
• 24:25
  OK, I thought Saturday Tally might have been in a 9.7, you
• 24:31
  know? Yeah, I'll relax a little bit.
• 24:33
  I got I got my calm hat on right now.
• 24:35
  You guys call that out? I think Shelton was about an 8.7
• 24:38
  on Saturday. I was at like a 65.
• 24:42
  I'm now at A5, Brian. I'd say 5, five and a half.
• 24:47
  Give me 5 1/2. Give you 5 1/2.
• 24:50
  He just wants to be slightly above me.
• 24:51
  I'm the I'm the. I got to be the one on the low
• 24:53
  end of the. Total no, because I mean what I
• 24:55
  what I'm basically saying with my 5 1/2 is that I'm I'm no
• 24:58
  longer in, but I'm also not out. I'm I'm I'm in the middle, I'm
• 25:03
  in the middle. So let's go with it.
• 25:04
  Tally, you know, and and Shelton's y'all Shelton's going
• 25:08
  like turn. I got I got the fire and
• 25:10
  gasoline below us here. I try to be the water.
• 25:13
  It's not going to be pretty, but tally go man, because obviously
• 25:17
  I got some stuff, stuff we're going to talk about.
• 25:19
  But what is now like? What is your hot button issue?
• 25:24
  Well, we were talking about this.
• 25:27
  Everybody wants to know why I got the Iron mask, man, Iron Man
• 25:31
  mask on. I'm just, I'm just here to
• 25:34
  learn. So Sheldon, actually, I'm going
• 25:38
  to talk to him and let him start this thing off because I think
• 25:41
  he's going to get me riled up because he's going to come with
• 25:43
  some interesting stuff from the presser.
• 25:45
  I watched it and from the game as well, but I'm going to sit
• 25:51
  back and relax for a few minutes.
• 25:55
  Hey, Chris, right there with me. I love that.
• 25:58
  What? Up, guys.
• 25:59
  All right. Let Sheldon go.
• 26:01
  Fire away. All right, folks.
• 26:04
  Well, the time has come to start.
• 26:05
  The Brent Pride discourse feels like a recurring theme every
• 26:09
  week that there's some type of game or clock management issue.
• 26:12
  And we saw more of that on Saturday against Syracuse.
• 26:15
  So in the wake of, you know, obviously the discourse is
• 26:18
  about, you know, not taking time out, letting the defense,
• 26:21
  letting the offense to Syracuse run the clock out at the end of
• 26:23
  the at the end of regulation, you know, deciding to go defense
• 26:27
  1st and overtime, you know, people can have their opinions
• 26:30
  one by the other. But for me, there was there was
• 26:33
  one thing in particular that stick out.
• 26:34
  And I think there was a tremendous lack of clarity that
• 26:40
  we had in price of, you know, post game comments and his
• 26:43
  comments in a press conference afterwards today on Tuesday
• 26:47
  about what his his thought process was.
• 26:49
  So first of all, Coach Pry, if you're listening, if your
• 26:52
  family's listening, I love you brother, but I got to call you
• 26:55
  out because there was some BS that went on these past few
• 26:57
  days. So to start off, you know, Pride
• 27:01
  decided not to take that time out to prevent the runoff at the
• 27:03
  end of the first half when Tech, you know, potentially was
• 27:05
  getting towards field goal range.
• 27:07
  After the game he said the communication with the refs was
• 27:10
  unclear, but appears that he changed his story a couple
• 27:13
  times. So to the post game radio
• 27:15
  people, he said he chose not to take the time out to prevent the
• 27:18
  runoff. Why he did that, I don't know.
• 27:20
  Maybe he's getting some bad advice from someone in his ear.
• 27:24
  Possibly. That seems like a likely
• 27:26
  scenario, but after the game in the in the official post game
• 27:32
  press conference, he said he did not trust the field goal unit
• 27:35
  that had leaky protection in order to be able to even bother
• 27:40
  him to make a field goal. Now why he would say that when
• 27:44
  Jon Love has already hit multiple 50 yards before in this
• 27:46
  season, I do not know, but he changed his story there so
• 27:49
  that's one. OK, so to me this looks like
• 27:53
  he's covering for poor decision making.
• 27:55
  All right now regarding the poor communication with the
• 27:58
  officials, I think this is on pry.
• 28:00
  I know the official can sometimes make mistakes and they
• 28:03
  don't explain things concise in the right way.
• 28:05
  But if you as a head coach are not getting in their ass and
• 28:08
  demanding that they give you a a reasonable explanation, you are
• 28:11
  not doing your job. I don't think pry, I don't think
• 28:14
  pry right now has the, the, the acumen that we need of a head
• 28:18
  coach to really get in their ass and demand that they give him a
• 28:21
  response. Which it, it just seemed like to
• 28:24
  me like he was content with everything that happened.
• 28:26
  He had a little conversation that was nice and polite.
• 28:29
  Maybe, you know, his, his eyebrows got a little bit
• 28:31
  furred, but he, he was not responding to the level of
• 28:35
  intensity that I think he needed to as a head coach.
• 28:39
  So we go now to the Tuesday presser.
• 28:41
  He said in the presser that there was no clarity in the
• 28:44
  moments with regards to the officials and their explanation.
• 28:47
  But he also said he did not submit that place to the
• 28:50
  conference office for review. Why would you not submit the
• 28:53
  play for review if you didn't get clarity?
• 28:56
  That does not make any sense. If you weren't, if if you felt
• 28:59
  the explanation was insufficient, if you thought the
• 29:00
  refs made a mistake, maybe not giving you the time Outback, why
• 29:03
  would you not submit that play? That to me screams that he's
• 29:07
  just doing cover. He's doing cover because he
• 29:10
  knows he made a mistake and he doesn't want to admit that he
• 29:13
  doesn't want people he wasn't. He doesn't want to throw himself
• 29:15
  under the bus or maybe the people that are giving advice
• 29:17
  under the bus. And then lastly on this, he also
• 29:21
  said today, quote, we have to be the aggressor.
• 29:23
  We have to be on the attack. In that situation, then why
• 29:26
  didn't you attack? Why did you not go down field?
• 29:29
  Why did you not take a time out when Syracuse was on their last
• 29:32
  possession of regulation save some time?
• 29:34
  Why did you not go down the field in that last drive with
• 29:36
  Colin Schleade, 29 seconds left, three timeouts.
• 29:38
  Why were you not the aggressor you needed?
• 29:40
  40 yards. You needed 40 yards.
• 29:43
  Needed 40. Yards got the boot.
• 29:45
  Yep, and he was not the aggressor.
• 29:47
  So again, just a complete but contradiction, a series of
• 29:51
  contradictions statements that didn't make sense.
• 29:55
  I think prize didn't cover. I think he knows he made another
• 29:57
  gaffe and he obviously doesn't want to admit that to the fans,
• 30:00
  which has been obviously recurring theme.
• 30:02
  So just really disappointing with how you know, he articulate
• 30:06
  that to the fan base. Again, I love your pride, but
• 30:08
  that's just I just don't like it, man.
• 30:11
  I think it's, I think it's a bad look.
• 30:15
  Tally. Man, it's hard to follow that,
• 30:18
  but I needed it. I mean, he made it sound elegant
• 30:21
  to like he did a great job to explain a lot of the stuff and
• 30:25
  go through everything after the game.
• 30:29
  You know, that kind of we're feeling and it's the team takes
• 30:33
  the identity of the coach, you know what I'm saying?
• 30:35
  Like we coach too soft, we're playing too soft at certain
• 30:39
  times. It's the same thing.
• 30:42
  It's a broken record. Like if you were 50, if you were
• 30:46
  A500, you know, coach and A500 coach in, you know, close games,
• 30:55
  then maybe I would ease up a little bit.
• 30:58
  But you can't be like one in 12 or one in 11 and then you come
• 31:03
  with the same coach speak like it gets old, man.
• 31:06
  And again, like Sheldon said, like I love Pride.
• 31:08
  I think Pride's a good guy, you know, I think he's a pretty
• 31:11
  decent coach, you know what I'm saying?
• 31:13
  But sometimes coaches just don't fit.
• 31:15
  And again, I'm not saying that I'm all out.
• 31:17
  It's going to take some things in.
• 31:18
  I know we'll discuss it a little bit here in a minute.
• 31:21
  But it takes some things to to change to have to really see
• 31:27
  change. You know, and I think right now
• 31:29
  we're just hearing the same the same old stuff.
• 31:32
  You know, this just well, we got to get better.
• 31:35
  Well, how do you get better? You know what I'm saying?
• 31:37
  If you going to, I would rather him walk in and say I ain't
• 31:39
  fucking talking to nobody today. I'm upset.
• 31:42
  Find me. The rest fucked us.
• 31:44
  I don't want to have a conversation with nobody.
• 31:46
  Everybody get out. I don't care if you come
• 31:48
  watching that. Like I want you to just be mad
• 31:50
  and get up, like change everything that you're doing
• 31:53
  because the nice polite, you know, coaching and on the field,
• 31:58
  it's just it's old, man. It's old and fans are tired of
• 32:03
  watching the same stuff, you know, blow leads, lose by three
• 32:09
  points, lose by 6 points, and then we hear the same thing
• 32:12
  afterwards. The players are tired of losing.
• 32:14
  You know, the players, they're playing their butts off.
• 32:16
  I got to give them the, you know, nobody, everybody knows
• 32:18
  that this team doesn't quit, you know what I'm saying?
• 32:21
  Everybody understands that. But that gets, you know, kudos.
• 32:26
  Like you got to, you got to get to a point where you're not
• 32:29
  just, well, shoot, I know we play Virginia Tech, man, we
• 32:32
  going to be beat up, but we going to win, you know what I'm
• 32:35
  saying? Like we're that team, the team
• 32:37
  that we think other people are. That's who we are.
• 32:40
  However, Virginia Tech fans look at a team like Georgia Tech.
• 32:43
  Well, we know Georgia Tech is going to give us a good game.
• 32:45
  That's what people think about us.
• 32:47
  That's what we are. That's that we that team.
• 32:51
  When you go through at the beginning of the season and
• 32:54
  you're looking at where you going to get your wins and
• 32:57
  losses, people's looking at Vt and saying that's a dub easy.
• 33:02
  No matter what we play them at, if we play them at they house,
• 33:04
  if we play them at our house, that's on coaching.
• 33:08
  You got to change some stuff and it don't take.
• 33:10
  Oh well, Beamer did it, man. Stop saying that he ain't
• 33:13
  Beamer. Stop saying Beamer did it in
• 33:16
  this many years and this coach did.
• 33:18
  It is coaches that are taking over programs and winning in the
• 33:21
  first year. Elko did it at Duke.
• 33:24
  Manny Diaz is that Duke? He's doing the same thing.
• 33:27
  And I bet Duke wasn't in a better position.
• 33:29
  I mean in a worse position than Virginia Tech was.
• 33:32
  It's about the same. I'm just saying that we can pick
• 33:36
  other, we can pick other schools to talk about.
• 33:38
  It's just it gets redundant, man.
• 33:40
  And it's so frustrating that you watch these kids go out and you
• 33:47
  even watch the coaches do some stuff that works.
• 33:49
  The coaches will do something that works and it's like it
• 33:52
  surprises them. They'll do something and it
• 33:55
  works and they go shit, we going to do that again.
• 33:58
  You never go back to it. You know what I'm saying?
• 34:01
  It's just, again, I know it's inexperience at coaching, but
• 34:05
  now you have to have some kind of experience.
• 34:08
  Like I did some stupid shit when I first got with my wife, right?
• 34:13
  Like walk in from work, take your shoes off, kick them to the
• 34:18
  side, go straight to the bathroom.
• 34:21
  In your mind, you just thinking, I've been at work all day, I got
• 34:24
  to go use the bathroom. But your wife is standing there
• 34:27
  like you walked in the house and you didn't even say hey honey or
• 34:32
  I'm home or nothing. I'm telling you you're only
• 34:35
  going to do it once or twice before it becomes a problem.
• 34:39
  Well, coach Pride, you keep walking in the house and you
• 34:42
  don't say that I'm home and we getting tired of it.
• 34:45
  I'm going to stop right there for now.
• 34:47
  Brian, what you think, man? You know what that was?
• 34:51
  That was gold. I like that.
• 34:52
  Like Sheldon and Tally have like completely set the stage for me
• 34:56
  here. And I think what it comes down
• 34:58
  for is something that Tally kind of talked about but didn't maybe
• 35:00
  say directly, is that a lot of times it feels like these
• 35:04
  coaches are playing not to lose the game.
• 35:08
  That's what it feels like. We're playing not to lose the
• 35:11
  game. And when you play not to lose,
• 35:14
  sometimes it's going to bite you in the ass.
• 35:16
  And we've seen that anytime it gets close, that's when we
• 35:20
  falter because we played not to lose.
• 35:23
  When we look at the defensive side of the ball, these late
• 35:26
  half, whether it's first half or second-half collapses got to
• 35:29
  stop. When we look at the offensive
• 35:32
  side of the ball, when you get a lead stomp on some throats, we
• 35:37
  don't do that. It's it's like we we think that
• 35:40
  18 is enough. And we go out there and we just
• 35:43
  kind of, you know, put it out there and all of a sudden, you
• 35:46
  know, you get one mistake here, one mistake there and now it's a
• 35:49
  game again. And now you, you know, you got a
• 35:51
  tight asshole because it's a game again.
• 35:53
  And now you don't know what to do and now you're in in React
• 35:57
  mode. And we don't do well in React
• 36:00
  mode. We play well when we play loose
• 36:02
  and confident. Anybody that's watched this team
• 36:05
  knows that. And we're not doing that
• 36:07
  consistently enough against these opponents.
• 36:10
  So that's that's all I got. From what Brian said, man, I'm,
• 36:14
  I'm going to go back on that as well.
• 36:16
  And what he said, you know what he's talking about.
• 36:20
  Shoot, there was a lot that you just threw it now and I kind of
• 36:22
  lost my trace that that kind of threw me off a little bit.
• 36:27
  We, we, you said that and then Andrey pops up and he puts, puts
• 36:31
  a, a, a comment up there for me to see.
• 36:35
  But I'm thinking about, you know, what Brian says and he
• 36:37
  says, you know, when we play, we play better when we play loose.
• 36:40
  And again, I know we're going to get into some more stuff.
• 36:45
  People were talking in the game, you know, and I know football,
• 36:48
  you know, I get it. I know sports.
• 36:50
  But like, my son had his first basketball game today.
• 36:53
  Thank the Lord, very, very thankful he's back on the court.
• 36:56
  You know, he went through a whole game very he was rusty
• 36:59
  because he got injured playing basketball and he was a little
• 37:03
  rusty, but he had a great game. You know, he went in, he
• 37:05
  competed and they won. So great job by them.
• 37:08
  But they have a legendary coach that coaches his, his varsity
• 37:11
  basketball team. My son plays on the freshman
• 37:13
  team and Coach Doss is his name, Jack Doss.
• 37:17
  You can look him up in Huntsville, AL.
• 37:20
  He's won, I think 12 state championships at four different
• 37:25
  schools. But Coach Doss probably is about
• 37:31
  70 and he he coaches like he's 70.
• 37:34
  He he plays stall ball when he gets up in the lead.
• 37:38
  If he gets up on a team that he thinks that he's not supposed to
• 37:42
  get up on, if he's playing a team that's more talented than
• 37:46
  he is and he gets up on that team, he is going to hold a
• 37:49
  ball. He's going to try.
• 37:51
  If he's up 20 to 18, he'll try to hold a ball and guess what
• 37:56
  happens? You want to know what happened,
• 37:58
  Brian? They steal the ball, they go
• 37:59
  score, then they continue scoring and then now we're
• 38:02
  trying to play catch up. I feel like our staff does the
• 38:05
  same thing. Pryor is a traditional coach
• 38:09
  with a school that has traditions.
• 38:12
  We're not a traditional school. We don't do the things good that
• 38:16
  Penn State or Alabama does. What?
• 38:19
  We just have five star backs that run the ball well or they
• 38:23
  have a line that always send people like it's different for
• 38:28
  us. You know, we do have some things
• 38:29
  that were known for, but we don't have a tradition that is
• 38:33
  going to win US games. So my thing is when you look at
• 38:38
  how we play Georgia Tech, I bet Price hard on was about that
• 38:43
  long. Like that's the kind of game
• 38:44
  that he wants. He wants to go out and play
• 38:47
  defense and get 3 and outs. And he don't care if we move the
• 38:50
  ball and we just continue stopping them and they kick it
• 38:55
  back to us and we waste a little clock and then we win 2621 to
• 38:59
  six, you know, have some kind of special play and get up.
• 39:03
  And then we just we can't do that.
• 39:05
  You have to continue scoring. You have to continue.
• 39:08
  If they're going to give you points, take them.
• 39:11
  I don't think that. I don't think that Syracuse
• 39:15
  could have stopped, could have stopped our passing, the
• 39:18
  offense. They still ain't stopped Steven
• 39:21
  Gosdale. But guess what?
• 39:23
  We started doing some different shit to get away from what we
• 39:27
  need to do to win the game. And then that happens.
• 39:30
  We have a collapse. Tired of it, man.
• 39:32
  Curtis, I know you got some stuff to say, man.
• 39:34
  I ain't mean to cut you off. Well, AI missed your ran
• 39:36
  unfortunately because. That's all right.
• 39:38
  I got life. I know you got more, but I
• 39:40
  wanted to hear that first one, unfortunately, but it's it's
• 39:45
  when it's the same shit different day.
• 39:47
  That's what starts irritating you.
• 39:49
  If we were if we had lost four games 4 completely different
• 39:52
  ways this year, I think we'd be sending we still be mad, right?
• 39:56
  We'd still be mad, but we wouldn't be having this
• 39:59
  conversation. Oh, Miami blew us out.
• 40:01
  We blew a lead. Oh, they got up on us.
• 40:04
  We tried to fight back. But it's now the same narrative
• 40:07
  over and over. And I told Tally this week,
• 40:11
  y'all the four games we lost this year, we had a lead in
• 40:16
  Vanderbilt at the end of the game.
• 40:18
  We tied Rutgers at the end of the game.
• 40:22
  They drove and kicked a field goal.
• 40:24
  We had a 10 point lead on Miami and obviously we had an 18 point
• 40:28
  lead, which we all get upset about, but we had a 7 point lead
• 40:31
  with four seconds to go. We had a it's the same narrative
• 40:35
  and y'all keep talking about the shell on offense and we don't go
• 40:39
  to things. The defense just seems like it's
• 40:42
  scared. Oh, we're going to have to do
• 40:44
  this. Let's it's OK if we give up a
• 40:47
  touchdown. No, it's not You can't.
• 40:50
  So we're seeing the same things on the defensive side of the
• 40:53
  ball over and over because if the defense, y'all just think
• 40:56
  about this just two holes. We hold the ball.
• 40:58
  We hold 2 times this year, 2 times we're seven and two we
• 41:04
  hold 2 times. That's not saying we could be
• 41:08
  better. I like what James just put up
• 41:11
  here because I saw that as well. We are 8 O and one if games
• 41:15
  ended at the 8th minute. 8 O and 1:00.
• 41:19
  Pitiful. If you really, if you really
• 41:23
  want to be mad, Curtis, if you really want to feel some type of
• 41:26
  way, go and look at the last three years.
• 41:31
  That's what I need you to do. So what I was saying is we, we
• 41:36
  get into those situations, it's the same thing at the end of
• 41:39
  every game, it's the same thing. And then you're sitting here and
• 41:44
  it's like, do something different.
• 41:46
  Now he is who he is, but the whole thing that happens and
• 41:50
  it's all of them. I don't care who you are, what
• 41:52
  field of protection you're in, you listen to people you you
• 41:56
  take and that's usually how you make your decisions, whether it
• 42:01
  be Tally doing marketing myself doing what I do in my company
• 42:06
  with learning and development, Brian, what he does and Dan Alex
• 42:09
  and tell them what he does. You listen to people, right?
• 42:11
  You listen to ice, you listen to what they are supposed to do.
• 42:14
  Apparently there's somebody in the box, a coach on the staff in
• 42:18
  the box that has the book of what you're supposed to do in
• 42:21
  these situations. Now, I don't know if they are
• 42:25
  telling our head coach of exactly what they should be
• 42:30
  doing because to what Shelton said earlier, in that situation,
• 42:36
  here's what should happen. My phone needs to shut up.
• 42:39
  So why is it the same things? What I would say is if you're
• 42:43
  fucking up the same shit the same way every time, then
• 42:47
  somebody is telling you wrong. Somebody is not getting you
• 42:50
  ready. It's eventually falls on you.
• 42:52
  But like all of us, like every single person in this chat over
• 42:56
  here, in this chat over here, there's people that influence
• 42:59
  them. Callie, you talk about your
• 43:00
  wife. I bet you didn't kick off the
• 43:03
  shoes and walk to the bathroom no more after that surgery.
• 43:05
  You'd be like, hey, honey, how are you?
• 43:07
  You have a good day. I love you.
• 43:09
  So it's still on him to change. It's still on him to be better.
• 43:14
  But the whole thing it comes to is who's around you.
• 43:19
  I like what Andrady said there. It's not a tack because at the
• 43:25
  end of that game and even the second-half, I know y'all, we
• 43:30
  missed tackles. We weren't we, we played a
• 43:32
  little over aggressive and then some mad shit happened.
• 43:35
  What happened? We went super under aggressive
• 43:38
  and you can't do that. You cannot be in the moment.
• 43:41
  You have to be who you are. So I know we got a lot more and
• 43:46
  we're going to keep going. But I'm going to say this and I
• 43:48
  want, I want to see what people think out there because I think
• 43:51
  he's back as a coach next year. I do.
• 43:54
  Charlie, he's back. He's 100.
• 43:56
  He's back. Yeah.
• 43:57
  I mean, regardless of how we feel, I don't think there's a
• 43:59
  way we he's. Not yeah, Yeah, he's back.
• 44:01
  He can lose. He can lose all the last three
• 44:04
  games and he's not going anywhere.
• 44:06
  They're going to give him another year or two years.
• 44:10
  He can lose the last three games and not make a bowl game and
• 44:16
  he's still going to be a coach next year. 100% yeah.
• 44:21
  But what it usually is at that point in time, what happens is
• 44:25
  like what I'm kind of leading into here is currently this
• 44:29
  coaching staff and the analytics people and everybody made-up of
• 44:34
  it on and off the field is construction.
• 44:37
  It cannot stay this way because you cannot keep doing the wrong
• 44:41
  things. And So what I want to pivot to
• 44:43
  y'all, and I don't care how many it is, it can be 0 or you can
• 44:49
  say the whole staff can come back.
• 44:51
  I don't think it's going to look the same.
• 44:53
  But tell me, Shelton Moss, who is safe on the staff right now?
• 44:59
  Who is safe? Well, definitely Tyler Bowen, I
• 45:04
  mean. OK.
• 45:05
  I think he's been, I think he's been in his bag, not just, you
• 45:08
  know, last week, but you know, throughout the majority of this
• 45:10
  year. Like you go into Syracuse on the
• 45:13
  road, score 31 points, put above over 400 yards of offense in the
• 45:16
  back of QB and a running back. You know, we're top 30 ish in SP
• 45:21
  plus, which was above our preseason expectations.
• 45:23
  So they've overperformed there. I think he's done a good job.
• 45:27
  I I know it's, you know, hadn't been because it's in every game,
• 45:29
  but you know, part of that is just working with players that
• 45:31
  have limitations and trying to, you know, get guys more
• 45:33
  experience and develop them. And I think he's been fantastic.
• 45:36
  I know you know, people are always going to hate the OST
• 45:38
  man, but it's a tough job. You you never you always get the
• 45:41
  blame when things go wrong. You never get credit when things
• 45:43
  go right. I think he's done a great job.
• 45:45
  So I'm a big, I'm a big bone advocate right now all.
• 45:47
  Right, who else? Give me a couple.
• 45:49
  Give me give me your lift of absolutely saves.
• 45:53
  Brooks done a good job with the running back room and I think
• 45:57
  Crook for the most part the online has gotten better.
• 46:00
  The younger players I think have have developed pretty well.
• 46:02
  So I've I've definitely keep them.
• 46:04
  That's your 3. Yeah, but the quarterbacks coach
• 46:12
  forget the name. Derek Jones.
• 46:15
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's, I know some of the recruiting returns
• 46:19
  haven't been great, but he's done a pretty good job
• 46:21
  developing that room. Dante, let it looks great.
• 46:23
  I don't think you would want to risk, you know, letting a guy
• 46:25
  like that go. So I'd I'd keep him as well.
• 46:28
  OK. And JC.
• 46:31
  And JC, anybody else, Sheldon, the next thing you don't know,
• 46:34
  you're going to say we got to keep the whole staff together,
• 46:36
  which we can all fly off at you and say no to.
• 46:38
  If we can't keep the whole staff together, we're five and four,
• 46:40
  not 9 and O it's. Going to happen.
• 46:43
  They ain't, they ain't going. Over there, people, the people I
• 46:44
  didn't mention, you can, you know, they can make some
• 46:47
  decisions after this season, all right.
• 46:51
  Tally. What's the what's my?
• 46:54
  What's my question? Who is safe on the staff?
• 46:57
  Who is? Absolutely.
• 46:58
  If you were selling in his ear, you ain't firing him because you
• 47:01
  lose your damn mind. So if I'm looking at the real
• 47:05
  answer, everybody's safe because I don't think that our football
• 47:10
  program has the nuts to get rid of anybody.
• 47:15
  You know, I don't think that anybody.
• 47:17
  I think pride's too nice. He had a lot of friends.
• 47:21
  I don't think he won't he will let anybody go.
• 47:23
  But if I'm looking at who I would be safe, if I'm in charge,
• 47:28
  if you're in charge, if you're the I'm in charge, I would say,
• 47:32
  you know, probably JC Price, you know, I've seen some good stuff
• 47:37
  in him. He's got a guy on his line that
• 47:40
  has 12 sacks, you know, probably would say he's safe.
• 47:44
  He's a through and through a hokey man.
• 47:50
  Shit. I mean, Brooks, Brooks has done
• 47:54
  a good job. Like like, Shelton said, Dude,
• 48:00
  this, I just feel like you, it's up in the air for everybody
• 48:05
  else, it's up in the air, man. Like JC Brooks has been fine.
• 48:11
  I know, Shelton said. Crook, you know I ain't.
• 48:15
  I'm going to leave it alone for right now till we talk about
• 48:18
  other stuff, but yeah, I'm just Mines, Coach Mines.
• 48:24
  Coach Mines is safe, and the reason I say Coach Mines is safe
• 48:27
  is because of how he's recruited.
• 48:29
  But when we start to get into other stuff, the main thing with
• 48:33
  me to why it's so hard for me to say who's safe and who's not is
• 48:38
  because I feel like part of coaching is who you put in the
• 48:41
  game. You know what I'm saying?
• 48:44
  You have to coach your personnel.
• 48:48
  It's cool to get receivers, but I'm watching other four-star
• 48:52
  recruits and three star recruits get on the field at other
• 48:54
  schools. Why not put somebody in and try,
• 49:00
  you know, why not let me run somebody on the field to see
• 49:04
  what they do? Hey receiver, you're fast.
• 49:09
  I need you to go run a go route because these guys apparently
• 49:12
  are not going to catch a go route.
• 49:14
  They either aren't getting the separation or they're not going
• 49:16
  to die for it. So I just need you to go in
• 49:18
  there with fresh legs and just run.
• 49:21
  Just run as fast as you can and try to catch this ball.
• 49:24
  That's what I need. Let's see what happens.
• 49:26
  So I'm done. Mines Price Brooks.
• 49:32
  Brooks, that's all. That's the only people safe,
• 49:35
  although Tally says everybody's safe.
• 49:37
  But then it's up in the air, but nobody's safe.
• 49:39
  Tally doing philosophical crazy he she's got bullshit.
• 49:44
  I'm gonna have to put the mask back on, man.
• 49:45
  No. You got No, we got to let you go
• 49:47
  tell you got any. Chess going on here. 40 maybe
• 49:51
  5D. Brian Who's who's safe?
• 49:53
  A lot of DS man. There's a lot of DS.
• 49:57
  Hey, I, I, I've got five names. It's JC Price, it's Fontell,
• 50:04
  it's Coach Brooks, it's Cheetah and it's Bowen.
• 50:10
  They are safe at this point. To me, Price, I think speaks for
• 50:16
  itself. I think the the the play of his
• 50:19
  unit and how he's recruited in the last couple cycles speaks
• 50:23
  for itself. I think the output that we're
• 50:26
  seeing from a developmental standpoint and from a recruiting
• 50:29
  standpoint from Brooks speaks for itself.
• 50:32
  I think we look at Fontell, he's shown the capability of bringing
• 50:37
  in guys. And when we look at Cheetah, I
• 50:43
  think we're seeing, again, very, very good developmental
• 50:46
  cornerbacks. Coach hasn't really seen an
• 50:50
  elite recruit, but also has done a really good job of developing
• 50:54
  the guys that he's brought in kind of in that high three star,
• 50:58
  you know, low 4 area there. And to Sheldon's point, I think
• 51:02
  Bowen, the biggest complaint I have about Bowen is kind of what
• 51:07
  we've already talked about is when, when the chips are down,
• 51:11
  when when we start getting into those moments where we can stomp
• 51:16
  on a, on a, on a throat. We don't always do that.
• 51:21
  That's my biggest complaint about him.
• 51:23
  I think he's done a good job of kind of adapting to his
• 51:26
  personnel as a play caller and getting points on the board has
• 51:31
  been pretty good. So I've got no no big qualms
• 51:33
  with him, but also I'll I'll pivot on on Tally's point a
• 51:38
  little bit here too. As far as you know, the young
• 51:41
  guys playing. I think we see this staff has
• 51:45
  been in all three years conservative.
• 51:48
  I think especially early in the year of getting young guys on
• 51:52
  the field in situations where they don't have to, right, Like
• 51:58
  when when you've got a veteran at a position.
• 52:02
  Now when we look at cornerback and safety, we've had situations
• 52:08
  where we've had to get guys on the field early for obvious
• 52:11
  reasons. And those are death, death
• 52:13
  related. But when we look at some of
• 52:14
  these other positions, we've been a little bit hesitant to
• 52:17
  get the younger guy, younger player on the field when we've
• 52:22
  had the opportunity just because we do have a little more veteran
• 52:25
  leadership in that particular room.
• 52:28
  I'm hoping that changes a little bit.
• 52:29
  I hope when we mix things up as we kind of move into the last
• 52:34
  three games of the season here, because at this point, most of
• 52:37
  these guys have games they can still burn.
• 52:39
  Let's get them some run, especially now that we're out of
• 52:43
  contention for Charlotte. Put them out there and let let's
• 52:47
  see what they can do. All right, so there we go.
• 52:51
  So you are JC Brooks Cheetah Bone, right?
• 52:57
  JC Mines Brooks. Cheetah, you said mines OK
• 53:01
  awesome. I got four and these are the
• 53:03
  only four safe in my opinion. JC is definitely safe.
• 53:06
  The defensive line eats. You see those guys playing a
• 53:10
  high level, older, younger all across the board.
• 53:14
  Fontelle clearly safe. The recruiting proudness is
• 53:17
  there. I'm going to throw a curveball
• 53:20
  because this is one y'all have not mentioned, but he is a stud
• 53:23
  recruiter and I got called out a couple weeks ago by somebody not
• 53:27
  realizing it. Sean Quinn.
• 53:29
  Sean Quinn's not going anywhere. Sean Quinn recruited Chance
• 53:32
  Wiggins, he recruited Christian Evans, he recruited Aiden, he
• 53:35
  recruited Aiden Stevens, he recruited Overton.
• 53:37
  He's Woodson's primary. Think about that right there.
• 53:41
  Think about all those names. How many of those guys are on
• 53:44
  the field doing something already?
• 53:46
  Just about all of them. And Jeff Overton is, as per
• 53:49
  tally, probably the most underrated running back in the
• 53:51
  entire country. Yeah.
• 53:55
  Give me also Elijah Brooks. Nobody else is safe.
• 53:59
  Those guys are safe because I've seen development from their
• 54:03
  positions. I'll suppose all Sean Quinn take
• 54:05
  a risk with Caleb Spencer early in the year and you know, he had
• 54:09
  to go to the table to pry and say I need Caleb to play and how
• 54:15
  much better that room has gotten between Keanta and Caleb
• 54:19
  Spencer. So that's my four.
• 54:21
  If we if we take a look at all of ours, JC is the safest.
• 54:25
  Brooks is pretty safe. Then we have our missus here and
• 54:29
  there. We got Fontell pretty safe.
• 54:31
  But that's the thing we start seeing.
• 54:33
  We don't know what goes on behind the scenes because
• 54:35
  apparently whoever's up in the booth that does the plays, what
• 54:39
  if that's somebody we listed? What if that's the person that's
• 54:42
  supposed to be feeding in the two minutes, hey, when to call
• 54:44
  the timeout and they're fucking up.
• 54:46
  You could love them. Be like, I love him.
• 54:48
  He does all this good stuff and he's realized, oh, he's the guy
• 54:51
  that so still coach want to call timeouts and he ain't doing his
• 54:53
  job right. How would you feel about that?
• 54:56
  What if I know Fantail's on the sidelines, but we love Fantail.
• 54:59
  But what if that was Fantail's job and he was screwing up
• 55:02
  getting in the timeouts? Would we love him more or would
• 55:05
  be like, wait a second, you can recruit, but are you, are you
• 55:09
  not telling them when they call the timeouts right?
• 55:11
  And that's your job. You turn into a big boy football
• 55:17
  organization and you get people and designate certain jobs to
• 55:21
  them. If you ain't doing a good job of
• 55:23
  telling people when to call the time out, then you shouldn't be,
• 55:26
  you shouldn't be doing that. If you're good at recruiting as
• 55:30
  a recruiter, I don't know. It's just different things that
• 55:32
  you can do. Another thing I was going to say
• 55:34
  too, a lot of people were, I think everybody on here besides
• 55:39
  me would say, you know, Bowen's doing a good job.
• 55:43
  He is, you know, kind of safe. And I'm just asking the
• 55:48
  question, who calls the plays? Does he call the plays?
• 55:51
  He sends the plays in. He is the play caller.
• 55:53
  Why the fuck would you send a play in for a quarterback that
• 55:57
  has a bum leg to run the ball? And you did it in two games.
• 56:04
  You did it in Vanderbilt when Kyron was cramping up.
• 56:07
  Y'all, he had to come off the field.
• 56:10
  Then you put him back in and you do a running play that your two
• 56:14
  backup quarterbacks could have did, and then you push Lee in
• 56:18
  and he's got to bum ankle and you call a run and play.
• 56:23
  Why not just let Pop Watson run it?
• 56:25
  I don't know, man. I don't feel like he's safe.
• 56:28
  I don't the reason I don't think he's safe and and I Shelton, I
• 56:32
  know you're looking at the statistics and that the
• 56:34
  percentage is there are times he is effectively the guy playing
• 56:39
  craps. Either he's hitting and it's
• 56:42
  rolling or he's rolling snake eyes every time and just busting
• 56:44
  the board up. Because there are times in the
• 56:47
  game where it's like we need a big drive and nothing happens.
• 56:52
  And now I know that's some execution that summoned him, but
• 56:56
  it's still ultimately going to fall on the coach.
• 56:59
  And that's my bigger issue with him because when he's rolling,
• 57:03
  when he's rolling like he was, go back to BC in that first half
• 57:07
  where everything was hidden, Kyron was nailing the passes,
• 57:10
  perfect run blocks, lane seal for Duden.
• 57:13
  That's great. But that third quarter happened,
• 57:16
  if we don't recall, where we couldn't do a fucking thing,
• 57:19
  remember that we couldn't do a thing, and they got back in the
• 57:22
  game. Well, we also kept him.
• 57:25
  We also kept giving them the ball.
• 57:27
  We did. And we?
• 57:28
  Turned off as a coach, but the whole piece is we go, he goes
• 57:32
  hot and cold and I'm going to tell you when it's cold is scary
• 57:36
  because you're like we can't even get 10 yards.
• 57:40
  We can't even get a first down. That's why I'm I'm more.
• 57:45
  Do you completely fire him? I don't know, but there's
• 57:48
  obviously things like that. What else y'all got on this
• 57:51
  subject? Anybody?
• 57:55
  Nothing. No, not really, Sheldon.
• 57:58
  You look like he was gonna say something.
• 58:00
  He did. Yeah.
• 58:00
  I would say the one thing that makes this analysis tricky for
• 58:03
  me is the fact that I feel like the team this year has first of
• 58:06
  all, they definitely prove him last year qualitatively.
• 58:09
  And I think for the most part, they've played good football in
• 58:12
  terms of just, you know, being efficient and, you know, look,
• 58:15
  they're they're top 30 in most of the metrics.
• 58:17
  You know, they're they're top three and point differential.
• 58:19
  Like if you're just looking at the play on the field, they've
• 58:22
  been a good team for the most part.
• 58:25
  It's just the the complete inability to manage the game is
• 58:29
  the reason they're five and four.
• 58:30
  And that falls on not the assistant coaches, but one
• 58:34
  person. And I think we.
• 58:35
  And that's, and that's where I'm at, you know, like I'm going
• 58:38
  through this because that's what we are here to do.
• 58:40
  But none of it matters if the head man ain't right like
• 58:46
  Sheldon, great job, man. I mean, he shit, he summed up
• 58:50
  kind of everything that I feel is because you can get rid of
• 58:54
  this. So you can do that and you can
• 58:55
  do this, but it's the head coach.
• 58:58
  Like I can be mad at Tyler Bowen for things he's doing with the
• 59:01
  offense. But if you know, the head coach
• 59:03
  is saying we're up 21 to three, do not run any passing plays.
• 59:10
  I don't know what that I don't know what they're telling him,
• 59:12
  but I know that. I know we have a head coach that
• 59:16
  runs the program and he's like one in 11 or one in 12 in one
• 59:22
  score games. I need that to change so.
• 59:29
  All right, well, I'm, I'm gonna flip it because again, it all is
• 59:32
  on the head coach. But again, you know, that's why
• 59:38
  I keep saying it. None of us.
• 59:40
  What is, what's the old, what's the old island saying, Brian?
• 59:43
  Well, you can't. You can't.
• 59:44
  Do no man is an island to himself?
• 59:46
  Well, I was thinking more, you can't do the same thing over and
• 59:49
  over and expecting the results. So I mean, if it's not working,
• 59:52
  you got to do something. So that's kind of that's the
• 59:55
  point of the exercise, right? Like whether that's focused on
• 1:00:00
  make trying to make the head coach better or whether that's
• 1:00:03
  bringing in some guys around the head coach to make him better.
• 1:00:06
  But to Shelton's point. It's only going to get so good
• 1:00:10
  to a point where at some point you've got to get better at
• 1:00:14
  manage of the game because if you're not managing the game
• 1:00:16
  well, you're going to keep consistently losing these tight
• 1:00:19
  games. That's true.
• 1:00:21
  That's when those little things that a coach does matters the
• 1:00:25
  most. You can, you can have a a fuck
• 1:00:27
  up or two as a head coach when you're winning by 18 and you
• 1:00:31
  keep winning by 18. But when you when that 18
• 1:00:34
  shrinks down to three or four or seven, now all those little,
• 1:00:38
  little things that you're doing, those little, little wrinkles
• 1:00:41
  here or there where you don't use a timeout or you don't put
• 1:00:45
  your foot on the gas when you need to, that's going to add up.
• 1:00:50
  True. All right.
• 1:00:52
  Is there you, you got to tell again, a part of this exercise
• 1:00:55
  too is you're you're the advisor.
• 1:00:57
  You're the advisor to Coach Prop.
• 1:00:59
  Whether you say get rid of him or we're going to give him
• 1:01:02
  another chance, who's the person?
• 1:01:06
  I don't care if it's 123, it can be.
• 1:01:08
  It can be all nine. To Tally's point, I'm sure Tally
• 1:01:10
  won't fire everybody. So it is true who is in the
• 1:01:15
  who's, who's in the box with the book.
• 1:01:17
  I don't think I've seen Chris on the sidelines.
• 1:01:19
  I don't know who's up in the box with the book.
• 1:01:21
  That's what that's on the sidelines.
• 1:01:23
  Because Tebow's in the booth that that be that's.
• 1:01:25
  I don't. I don't think Tebow's got the
• 1:01:27
  book. I think it's one of the other.
• 1:01:28
  Analysts. But I'm just saying like, you
• 1:01:30
  don't, you don't give the book to Tebow.
• 1:01:32
  I mean. What do y'all think about Chris?
• 1:01:33
  We didn't even we didn't talk about him.
• 1:01:35
  He doesn't see it on the right now.
• 1:01:36
  What y'all think about him? What do I think about Chris?
• 1:01:38
  Yeah, what I think about Chris is where Kyron is right now.
• 1:01:44
  He is the mechanical quarterback coach, right?
• 1:01:47
  Bowen's. Bowen's a coordinator.
• 1:01:48
  Bowen's trying to get the offense moving.
• 1:01:50
  I haven't seen the improvement from Kyron like we were
• 1:01:54
  expecting. And I think that falls directly
• 1:01:57
  on Brian. Chris, you know, I, I and, and I
• 1:02:00
  can't remember who I saw say this and I, I want to give them
• 1:02:03
  credit, but the question is to, you know, you saw Kyron go down
• 1:02:08
  to South Beach. Is that who he should have been
• 1:02:10
  working out with this year? Was it you, Sheldon?
• 1:02:14
  Did you send that somebody made? That.
• 1:02:17
  Somebody made that message. I wish I remember who it was.
• 1:02:20
  If you it was you, put yourself in the chat, I'll shout you out.
• 1:02:24
  But did he make a mistake going down there working out with
• 1:02:26
  those guys? He's not those guys.
• 1:02:30
  Did he make a mistake working out with the wrong guys in the
• 1:02:33
  offseason? I don't know.
• 1:02:34
  Is Brian Criss doing a good enough job to develop people?
• 1:02:37
  You know, everybody's like, well, look, Colin Schlee, Colin
• 1:02:39
  Schlee played six years. Some guys have just played long
• 1:02:43
  enough. The mechanics are going to come
• 1:02:44
  more natural for them. So maybe you're right, Tally.
• 1:02:48
  Maybe you're looking at some of these analysts who aren't
• 1:02:50
  effectively doing their jobs and improving people, but.
• 1:02:56
  Again, I don't know, I mean, I just look at certain things.
• 1:02:59
  I'm like, you know, Pop has been on the Pop has been on campus
• 1:03:04
  for two years, you know, 18 months.
• 1:03:07
  What have we seen from him? You know, can he, what can he do
• 1:03:11
  for us? You know, looking at Karen, I
• 1:03:15
  wouldn't say when you talk about, you know, Karen going and
• 1:03:20
  out with, you know, the other guys and stuff.
• 1:03:22
  I wouldn't say that that is a a bad thing because you are
• 1:03:25
  getting some coaching from a quarterback coach and you're
• 1:03:29
  getting some things that's going to help you monetarily as far
• 1:03:33
  far as NIL or getting you some podcast looks and stuff.
• 1:03:36
  But when those players come back, they're coming back to
• 1:03:39
  you, you as a coach, you have to take what they've done and what
• 1:03:42
  you see and say that ain't going to work or what you've done
• 1:03:47
  here. We have to switch that up or
• 1:03:49
  hey, you ain't ready, you ain't going to play, you know, I don't
• 1:03:52
  know. That's the kind of things I look
• 1:03:53
  at from the coaches. I just don't, you know, I don't
• 1:03:56
  know, man. I got.
• 1:03:57
  You. I got you all right.
• 1:03:59
  Well, that. Was.
• 1:03:59
  I mean, that was good. Let's make some tough decisions
• 1:04:02
  here though, because I like what this is, James, who got to see
• 1:04:05
  the presser today. Not afraid of tough
• 1:04:07
  conversations you had to make a conversation with.
• 1:04:11
  Yourself and your staff and not just the players.
• 1:04:13
  Not just the players, I think. That's I think we're getting to
• 1:04:17
  a point where you know that that's where we're coming to a
• 1:04:19
  head and. Who's then?
• 1:04:23
  Brian, who's got to go? You sitting across from Coach
• 1:04:25
  Pride, you've been given $100,000.
• 1:04:28
  Coach you, you got to let these guys go.
• 1:04:30
  I'm sorry, or you've got to do this?
• 1:04:32
  To to me it is, it is coach Marv and and I think coach Marv is a
• 1:04:36
  good guy, but to me, too many late game collapses from this
• 1:04:41
  defense and from looking at him for just from a coaching
• 1:04:46
  perspective, his unit is not good enough to justify also the
• 1:04:52
  fact that he is kind of a recruiting liability as well.
• 1:04:56
  So you, you put those three things together, that tells me
• 1:04:59
  that Marv has to go. OK, just Marv nobody else right
• 1:05:04
  now. If you're saying has to go, so
• 1:05:07
  there's going to be some guys that I could have a conversation
• 1:05:10
  with you about as well, but the only person that I think has to
• 1:05:14
  go is Coach Marv. OK, Shelton.
• 1:05:21
  So I'm going to punt here and and I'm not, I'm not going to
• 1:05:24
  say anyone has to go, but I will say I'm certainly underwhelmed
• 1:05:28
  with Marv, you know, given that he's, you know, the leader of
• 1:05:33
  the defense. And I just I think they have
• 1:05:37
  stagnated a little bit. I don't think they've really,
• 1:05:40
  you know, when I look at the offense, I see a team that's
• 1:05:42
  going to kind of over performed a little bit like they've sort
• 1:05:45
  of made the most out of the cards that they've been dealt.
• 1:05:48
  I don't really say the same for the defense because they were,
• 1:05:51
  you know, they were good in price.
• 1:05:52
  They were decent in price first year.
• 1:05:54
  You know, they had the opportunity to to build and
• 1:05:57
  recruit these last two years in the portal.
• 1:05:58
  Whereas with the offense, I mean, they were starting
• 1:06:00
  literally from scratch and it's been kind of a slow, you know,
• 1:06:02
  the steady progress, but the offense has gotten incrementally
• 1:06:05
  better every season by, you know, a pretty wide margin
• 1:06:08
  defense. I think they've stagnated.
• 1:06:10
  They took a step back this year. There was a top 30 defense last
• 1:06:13
  year. They're they're they're taking a
• 1:06:14
  step back and they're like 50-60 this year.
• 1:06:16
  So yeah, it's it's not only stagnated, it's a step back.
• 1:06:20
  You can't fire them all, but you got to tell them hey, get rid of
• 1:06:23
  this. Call them all in the room and
• 1:06:26
  cuss them all out, starting with the head coach.
• 1:06:28
  You cuss him too. You you you messing up too.
• 1:06:32
  But bars. I like you buddy, but one of my
• 1:06:36
  coaching buddies said you won't recruit none of his players.
• 1:06:39
  He's got a, he's got a, a championship winning team.
• 1:06:45
  I think he's lost four games in four years at a high school
• 1:06:50
  here, and he knows Marr very well.
• 1:06:53
  Besides all that, you keep on fucking up, man, and I liked
• 1:06:57
  you. I wanted to, but you got to go
• 1:07:00
  Stew, hope, put on your book bag and start hitch hiking.
• 1:07:08
  Halloween's over. You ain't got to worry about
• 1:07:10
  Michael Miles and nobody chasing you.
• 1:07:12
  Just ease on down, ease on down the road.
• 1:07:15
  I still have the. RV You think You think you still
• 1:07:18
  got the RV? It's so hard for me.
• 1:07:21
  It's so hard for me for the Stew hope thing because I mean, we
• 1:07:23
  did have a lot of different collapses and things like that.
• 1:07:26
  But at the same time, if I'm going to give, you know, go at a
• 1:07:30
  coach, I got to give him some credit.
• 1:07:31
  I mean, we do have John Love, who is the man, you know, he has
• 1:07:36
  to be developed by somebody. Peter Moore same booming the
• 1:07:40
  ball. So what I mean took a Holloway,
• 1:07:45
  if he was there, you know, I feel like Lane, I feel like Lane
• 1:07:48
  this year has been as I don't know if he's injured, he's just
• 1:07:51
  a step different, especially on punt, you know, I don't know if
• 1:07:55
  you can put somebody else back there, but it's been sometimes
• 1:07:58
  when I've seen maybe some holes open up and Lane's just not as
• 1:08:01
  quick to get there as he was. So I hate to say it about Stu.
• 1:08:06
  Like I feel bad to say Stu has to go, but if I'm just having
• 1:08:11
  that tough conversation, I'm sorry that things didn't work
• 1:08:15
  out for you. You did a good job by getting us
• 1:08:17
  love, but you got to go to all right.
• 1:08:19
  First of all, I'm going to put what Jim said up here.
• 1:08:22
  Yes, this is the exercise, Jim. You got to throw somebody under
• 1:08:26
  the bus. Jim, are you going to keep Jim?
• 1:08:28
  I know you're out there, you're always with us.
• 1:08:30
  I love you because you put a great bunch of comments in and
• 1:08:33
  I'm going to throw this right to Jim.
• 1:08:35
  So Jim, are you not letting anybody go?
• 1:08:37
  5 and 4 is acceptable, 7:00 and 6:00 last year was acceptable.
• 1:08:42
  I'm going to put that on you because I'm going to do the
• 1:08:44
  other question in a second. Six and six this year.
• 1:08:46
  Is that acceptable? Is that acceptable?
• 1:08:48
  Maybe seven and six would have both six and seven, whatever.
• 1:08:51
  But I'm also going to go more because I keep saying, y'all,
• 1:08:58
  how often is Pry in that room? How many times, because I'm
• 1:09:04
  sitting here, I'm going to say, you know what, the Stanford
• 1:09:06
  game, Brent Pryor was in that room all week.
• 1:09:08
  He created that game plan. That's why we only gave up
• 1:09:11
  seven. Then he turned it back over and
• 1:09:13
  then BC and then all this. So and it's more of the there's
• 1:09:20
  there's a model out there. They got wrote this year by
• 1:09:23
  Clark Lee where if you're a defensive head coach, take over
• 1:09:26
  to defense, go find some senior guy to help out with the
• 1:09:30
  offense. Look what's happened with
• 1:09:32
  Vanderbilt and I know they have a good quarterback, but you saw
• 1:09:36
  that right and happened right. They beat us.
• 1:09:39
  They beat Alabama. They they should have beat they
• 1:09:41
  got they got a job to Texas to Texas was a job.
• 1:09:44
  They should have beat Texas. The SEC couldn't let that SEC
• 1:09:48
  couldn't let that happen. They couldn't let that
• 1:09:50
  Vanderbilt team beat another good team.
• 1:09:52
  But for, but for Chris Maher, it's it Brian says that the,
• 1:09:56
  the, the, it's the collapses at the end.
• 1:09:59
  And and y'all, I'm going to go back.
• 1:10:00
  You know, even like the last couple years we've had those,
• 1:10:04
  you know, we've had those games last year where we fell apart at
• 1:10:08
  the end. You know, think about the
• 1:10:10
  Marshall game. I know we always put on the
• 1:10:12
  offense, but the defense gave up all the second-half points, you
• 1:10:16
  know, so and again, I think he is a nice human being.
• 1:10:20
  He's probably a great football mind.
• 1:10:21
  But it's like I think somebody put in the chat about an hour
• 1:10:25
  ago when we were first starting. It doesn't feel like he has the
• 1:10:27
  killer instinct mentality to be A, to be a defensive
• 1:10:30
  coordinator, which you have to have, which you absolutely have
• 1:10:35
  to have. I need my defensive coordinators
• 1:10:37
  to be sweaty. I know Marv is black, but I want
• 1:10:40
  him to be red like Kirby Smart be, you know, freaking yelling
• 1:10:45
  on the sideline like Will Muschamp used to be.
• 1:10:48
  I need to see you, like, get on somebody.
• 1:10:51
  I think we were in zero coverage.
• 1:10:53
  And you know, Monsieur comes up and tries to jump around, misses
• 1:10:57
  a tackle guy looks like he's running with a peg leg and goes
• 1:11:01
  and scores a touchdown. And you know, it's 21 to three.
• 1:11:05
  You get a stop right there. If you just come up and tackle
• 1:11:07
  that guy, I think it's 4th and three or fourth and four,
• 1:11:11
  something like that. And you know, we see what
• 1:11:13
  happens and that's a totally different game.
• 1:11:15
  When that happens, I want the camera to pan to my defensive
• 1:11:18
  coordinator and him to be a wreck.
• 1:11:21
  I want him to throw his headset. I want him to grab the person
• 1:11:24
  that mess. I want, I want to see some
• 1:11:26
  emotion, you know, I just think our coaching staff is too nice,
• 1:11:30
  you know, I think they follow that from the head coach A.
• 1:11:33
  Little too even keel, I think. You won't even keel, but
• 1:11:36
  sometimes it's. You got to get angry.
• 1:11:38
  You got to get angry. You got to have another gear,
• 1:11:41
  right? Like, I think that's that,
• 1:11:43
  that's what I think we're maybe missing is that we don't have
• 1:11:46
  that extra gear that this staff can kind of light into when they
• 1:11:51
  need to, to kind of bring things back when the when the wheels
• 1:11:57
  fall off a little bit. All right, because because we we
• 1:12:01
  see that snowball happen a lot now.
• 1:12:02
  It doesn't it doesn't happen with the frequency that we saw
• 1:12:06
  in year 1, but we're still seeing that snowball effect
• 1:12:11
  happened in these games. We're just a lot more talented
• 1:12:14
  now where it doesn't end up, you know, being a completely fall
• 1:12:17
  off the Cliff situation. Yeah, I'm going to put up Jim
• 1:12:20
  because Jim, appreciate the answer man.
• 1:12:22
  I actually I like this a lot right here, but but that that's
• 1:12:30
  another story. By the way, Robbie agreeing with
• 1:12:33
  the linebackers. Y'all think Jim also asked, does
• 1:12:37
  anybody bail on us? Well, that's just the fact of
• 1:12:40
  life. Somebody could easily leave this
• 1:12:42
  offseason and we wouldn't be shocked.
• 1:12:44
  So right, like, like, you know, as much as Tally was joking on
• 1:12:51
  Stu Holt, Caitlin de Boer might be like, man, he knows how to do
• 1:12:55
  punters and kickers. We have that problem down at
• 1:12:57
  Alabama. Let me go pay him $750,000.
• 1:13:00
  He knows how to train them. That's just the fact of life and
• 1:13:03
  coaching in general nowadays at college football that if
• 1:13:06
  somebody from a blue blood program wants one of your guys,
• 1:13:11
  they usually can write the checks.
• 1:13:14
  So, yeah. All right.
• 1:13:15
  Last question. And by the way, told you I was
• 1:13:18
  going to be an hour doing this. I don't lie.
• 1:13:21
  I know my, I know my boys here. I know how we talk on this shit.
• 1:13:25
  But if Brent Pry is let go and I think Jim, you put it in there,
• 1:13:34
  does Whip Babcock make that decision?
• 1:13:35
  Sheldon, I'm putting this on you.
• 1:13:37
  A, you work in athletic departments before you are an
• 1:13:41
  alumni out of the school. Should Whip Babcock be the
• 1:13:45
  person that makes that decision? I would say, I would say no.
• 1:13:51
  I think, you know, first of all, Witt is certainly closing on the
• 1:13:56
  end of his Virginia Tech tenure. And that's not, you know, some
• 1:13:58
  some drastic statement like he's been here 10 years.
• 1:14:00
  He's not going to be here for, you know, an extreme long amount
• 1:14:03
  of time. Like, you know, you, you'll get
• 1:14:05
  2 football hires if you mess up on both of them.
• 1:14:09
  That's probably all. So, you know, I could see a
• 1:14:11
  situation maybe Witt, you know, a few years says, hey, you know
• 1:14:14
  what, I'm moving on and then maybe prior stays next day he
• 1:14:17
  comes in can reevaluate things from there.
• 1:14:21
  But I do think that's his tenure is certainly closer to to being
• 1:14:27
  done than it is to being started.
• 1:14:29
  So. Callie.
• 1:14:35
  You got to get out of there. He can't make no more highs.
• 1:14:39
  You can't. You can't make no more football
• 1:14:41
  highs, buddy. Sorry, I mean, again, I've
• 1:14:46
  talked about this with a couple people too.
• 1:14:49
  When we hired Fuente like that was a was that not a splash
• 1:14:54
  hire? Like that was Florida State did
• 1:14:55
  the same thing. That was a great hire.
• 1:14:58
  Like when hired Norville, it was like, man, Florida State did a
• 1:15:02
  great job, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:04
  And then he takes him to the playoffs and something.
• 1:15:05
  So I can't put it all on wit, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:09
  Sometimes it just has to do with fit.
• 1:15:11
  I don't think Brett Pryor was a bad hire, you know what I'm
• 1:15:14
  saying? So it's hard to answer that
• 1:15:16
  question. It just comes down to kind of
• 1:15:19
  what Sheldon says. It's like, OK, like, is it time
• 1:15:22
  for him to move on? Is it time for him to go ahead
• 1:15:24
  and do something different? And hopefully the next person
• 1:15:27
  that comes in has a concentration in something,
• 1:15:31
  hopefully football. But again, a lot of people rag
• 1:15:37
  on Wit, but I don't think that the highest that he made were
• 1:15:42
  like erroneous. Like, I don't think they were
• 1:15:45
  crazy. I just think that sometimes it
• 1:15:47
  doesn't work out. Now, do we stick with stuff too
• 1:15:51
  long? That may be more of the issue of
• 1:15:53
  how long do you let somebody stay before it's time for them
• 1:15:56
  to go or you make them make changes.
• 1:16:01
  I I. Will say this, I, I, I have a
• 1:16:03
  bigger problem with not necessarily who that he's picked
• 1:16:08
  for a lot of these spots, but maybe how he's managed them
• 1:16:12
  after that pick. And that's the tally's point a
• 1:16:15
  little bit, whether it goes back to how quickly you put yourself
• 1:16:19
  behind the 8 ball with Fuentes contract with that extension.
• 1:16:24
  You know, we can talk about some other things on the basketball
• 1:16:27
  front. I mean, there there are things
• 1:16:29
  that I think we do sometimes where we lock ourselves into bad
• 1:16:31
  situations. If you're wet, if you lock
• 1:16:34
  yourself into a bad situation, then you have to own it a little
• 1:16:37
  bit more than you have. And that means let your guy know
• 1:16:41
  a if it's not working, you got to do something different,
• 1:16:44
  whether that's fire guys, hire guys, do something.
• 1:16:47
  You got to, if you going to put yourself in a position where you
• 1:16:52
  have less control over the situation from a contract
• 1:16:55
  standpoint, you have to govern that a little more close to your
• 1:16:59
  vest and not just be the guy that's overseeing the big ship
• 1:17:02
  here. So that that's been my problem
• 1:17:05
  with wit. And to that point, you've had
• 1:17:08
  two situations where you got into this point you don't get
• 1:17:11
  1/3. Nah, Nope.
• 1:17:14
  Sheldon, close this out. Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  So just to kind of, you know, put a cap around the wit
• 1:17:20
  discussion, I will say I think, you know, wit's always been a
• 1:17:23
  big baseball guy. Like he played baseball at GMU
• 1:17:25
  and I talked with John Chef one time.
• 1:17:27
  He he straight of told me like he's perceived as a guy that
• 1:17:29
  really gets baseball. So that's kind of his sport.
• 1:17:32
  That's his expertise And you know, say H1 about the baseball
• 1:17:34
  program. I'm just doing doing a good on
• 1:17:36
  that that rabbit hole. But I think as an, as an AD,
• 1:17:40
  like, you know, you have to have a certain type of feel for what
• 1:17:44
  support needs. Like I was listening to a
• 1:17:45
  podcast with a softball coach I used to work with and she's
• 1:17:48
  telling me like when she took the job at the at, at the school
• 1:17:51
  she was working at, like she had an AD who really understood
• 1:17:54
  softball and, and what that program needed to be successful.
• 1:17:57
  I think the issue with wit is that he just does not have the
• 1:18:01
  the football background to sort of have a good feel for like,
• 1:18:05
  you know, what, what good coaching looks like and what the
• 1:18:08
  program necessarily needs to be successful.
• 1:18:10
  And that's not to say that, you know, everything's bad or, you
• 1:18:13
  know, maybe pride does work out eventually, But I just think
• 1:18:15
  there's there's something missing on a fundamental level
• 1:18:18
  that that sort of stems from the fact that witches isn't truly on
• 1:18:21
  a fundamental level a big football guy.
• 1:18:23
  And I think you can kind of see that kind of filter out to the
• 1:18:25
  rest of the program. All righty.
• 1:18:28
  So there it is. We told our truth as much as we
• 1:18:31
  could on the situation. Obviously, I think we all feel
• 1:18:36
  this way and I don't think anybody doesn't feel this way.
• 1:18:39
  Where we stand right now, changes have to be made.
• 1:18:43
  Changes have to be made because I'm like what somebody said in
• 1:18:46
  the chat a little while ago. We sat here in December.
• 1:18:50
  I'm trying to get the exact date.
• 1:18:51
  When was the last press conference?
• 1:18:54
  December, probably my mama's birthday.
• 1:18:57
  December 2nd, yeah. Second, if December 2nd, there
• 1:19:03
  is not a discussion of so and so have been let go, so and so has
• 1:19:07
  been let go, so and so has been let go.
• 1:19:09
  We're moving forward. Then guess what?
• 1:19:13
  Somebody like me at A5, I'm coming up with Tally and
• 1:19:16
  Shelton. I'm like at A7 because then it's
• 1:19:19
  like, what are you doing? What are you doing?
• 1:19:22
  Like fucking is tally. You put the record up a little
• 1:19:26
  bit earlier to us. 15 and 1815 and 18 don't work.
• 1:19:31
  Don't care if you win these last three games, you get to 18 and
• 1:19:33
  1818 and 18 does not work. Especially when this is the
• 1:19:37
  case. You won an 11 and one score
• 1:19:39
  games. Yo.
• 1:19:39
  He's 14 and seven in other games.
• 1:19:43
  You imagine flipping that narrative of close games and
• 1:19:46
  just split it in half and being like 20 and 13, we'd be feeling
• 1:19:51
  really good from where we were in 2022.
• 1:19:54
  But that is what it is. Anything else y'all want to say
• 1:19:56
  before we we do have to talk about the keys to this game this
• 1:20:00
  weekend? And I know I told y'all this was
• 1:20:03
  going to take a lot out of us. We've been talking all this shit
• 1:20:05
  for the last hour. So anything else I'll give you
• 1:20:11
  all I. Got man, I've got it off my
• 1:20:13
  chest. I'm ready to move on.
• 1:20:15
  Let's talk about the keys of this Clemson game, let's talk
• 1:20:19
  some predictions, and then let's let's make some fun picks to
• 1:20:22
  close this bitch out and then y'all can go look at the
• 1:20:24
  electoral maps if y'all want to. No, I got that up over here.
• 1:20:27
  Well, Brian, you said what's your, what's your keys?
• 1:20:32
  I mean, I think we already talked about it a lot tonight
• 1:20:34
  and it's going to it's going to carry over here, man.
• 1:20:37
  I need to see great situational football from the coaches and
• 1:20:41
  the players in this game. Listen, I want to see.
• 1:20:46
  That's the key to success. All right, Sean Natali.
• 1:20:53
  Well, I'll go next. I just I mean, I hate to kind of
• 1:20:55
  sound redundant and sound, you know, say what Brian says, but
• 1:20:58
  mine was coach you you have to coach, you know, to beat
• 1:21:02
  Clemson, you're going to have to I don't even want to say out
• 1:21:06
  coaching. You're going to have to coach
• 1:21:07
  them though. You have to coach, you know,
• 1:21:09
  you're going to have to make adjustments.
• 1:21:11
  You're going to have to have some timeouts called at the
• 1:21:15
  right times and certain. You got to go in and coach, you
• 1:21:19
  know, I'll even go a step farther.
• 1:21:23
  You got to coach like your job depends on it.
• 1:21:26
  That's going to be a quick key to beating Clemson.
• 1:21:29
  You can't be going in here and happy that Hokey Nation showed
• 1:21:34
  up and we sold out another game. You got to be if we don't win
• 1:21:39
  this game, this might be it, right?
• 1:21:42
  We we need to have that mindset for the rest of the year as the
• 1:21:44
  culture staff, in my opinion. What about you, Sheldon?
• 1:21:49
  Act like you're the better team. I mean, we've seen Tech, you
• 1:21:52
  know, handle handle competition against against team that they
• 1:21:55
  they should, that they're better than.
• 1:21:56
  And I think this is a game where, you know, for the first
• 1:21:58
  time in a long time, Vt has a has a good chance to beat
• 1:22:00
  Clemson. I think they match up well.
• 1:22:01
  I think that, you know, the the teams aren't too different and
• 1:22:04
  this again, that they're more than capable of winning.
• 1:22:05
  So come into the game acts like you're the better team at
• 1:22:08
  expecting that you should win. I like that.
• 1:22:11
  I'm going to go back to something that a couple people
• 1:22:14
  said earlier. I want to see meanness.
• 1:22:17
  And when I say meanness, not only from the players or from
• 1:22:21
  the coaches, I want to see Brent Pryor this week because there's
• 1:22:23
  going to be some bullshit call. There's one every week to
• 1:22:27
  fucking get in, slam something, show emotion.
• 1:22:29
  I want to see guys on the sidelines show emotion.
• 1:22:32
  I want to see if a player fucks up.
• 1:22:35
  I want to see the. I mean, we saw Frank do it.
• 1:22:37
  Y'all even older Frank would grab a guy about a face mask and
• 1:22:40
  get in their face. We saw that.
• 1:22:42
  Get mean. Set a tone.
• 1:22:46
  Because nice guys don't win football games.
• 1:22:49
  Assholes win football games and we're playing too nice.
• 1:22:53
  Get mean because I think one of those wide receivers go across
• 1:22:57
  the middle and most Phillips lays the hammer on them.
• 1:23:00
  Don't get a targeting penalty, please.
• 1:23:02
  We ain't good enough. It's safety to lose.
• 1:23:03
  Somebody set the tone, coaches set the tone.
• 1:23:07
  That's the key to me this week and I'm going to go ahead and
• 1:23:11
  roll into my prediction. And as much as I want to see him
• 1:23:15
  play mean, I think unfortunately King, Clemson getting kicked in
• 1:23:18
  the balls last weekend was not good for us.
• 1:23:22
  I think we play competitive, but I do think we lose this game
• 1:23:26
  somewhere in the neighborhood, similar to Miami like a 3831
• 1:23:30
  game. I do think we put some points on
• 1:23:32
  them, even though that defense is good.
• 1:23:35
  No one Capehart is out now, no one Tooting likely back another
• 1:23:38
  questionable I think. I think they get us by a
• 1:23:41
  touchdown. Yeah, I said I'll go.
• 1:23:48
  My prediction was I think it's going to be a little bit more
• 1:23:52
  than that. Clemson probably about 45 to 28.
• 1:23:56
  So we got too many people injured, you know, from, you
• 1:24:01
  know, process this person questionable, questionable,
• 1:24:03
  questionable. They're probably not playing.
• 1:24:05
  So I think we got too many people injured to to come out
• 1:24:10
  with a win in this game. All right.
• 1:24:13
  Yeah, I'm unfortunately not to say Clemson.
• 1:24:16
  A couple reasons. Like Curtis said, they're going
• 1:24:18
  to be pissed off coming to this game, but they lost last week
• 1:24:20
  and they have a full game of film to study Schlee and the
• 1:24:23
  backup running back. So I just, I don't feel great
• 1:24:26
  with the matchup. I think V2 will backdoor cover
• 1:24:28
  but Clemson wins 30 to 24. I, I like the Tigers in this one
• 1:24:35
  3428. I just, I don't think we're
• 1:24:38
  going to have enough gas in this on either side of the football
• 1:24:42
  to, to really get it done, take care of business here.
• 1:24:45
  I think it's going to be closer than a lot of people are
• 1:24:47
  thinking, especially after last week and especially considering
• 1:24:51
  who we may or may not have playing.
• 1:24:53
  I'm not really sure what to take away from that because, you
• 1:24:55
  know, last week we got a probable designation and then
• 1:24:59
  and then now we got a questionable designation for
• 1:25:02
  more players. But so who who's going to really
• 1:25:05
  know what that looks like? But let me ask you this.
• 1:25:08
  So we got our predictions in there.
• 1:25:10
  We all think the Tigers are going to win and, and I'm going
• 1:25:15
  to shout out Grayson Wimbish on this one.
• 1:25:17
  But if we win, is that going to piss you off a little bit?
• 1:25:24
  No. Why?
• 1:25:28
  So given given the outcomes in Rutgers, Miami against Syracuse,
• 1:25:36
  but then you go and beat Clemson.
• 1:25:38
  When it don't even matter. Doesn't matter.
• 1:25:40
  That could have mattered if you'd have just taken care of
• 1:25:42
  business. Let me tell you, going to bed on
• 1:25:44
  Saturday night with a win, I don't give a fuck who it's over
• 1:25:48
  is a hell of a lot better than going to bed with a fucking
• 1:25:50
  loss. All right, so that's some dumb
• 1:25:53
  bullshit. Grayson, I love you, but that's
• 1:25:55
  stupid. I will be mad if we beat Clemson
• 1:25:58
  because you say what you want to say to what Jonathan Talley said
• 1:26:01
  this year. That'd be a signature.
• 1:26:04
  There'd be kids saying, well, they fucked up those games, but
• 1:26:07
  they could be the team that good, right?
• 1:26:11
  Yeah, I won't be mad if we win. I just know that we ain't so I
• 1:26:16
  ain't even thinking about it. Yeah, I always, always
• 1:26:20
  appreciate every win you get, especially because it's off 25
• 1:26:22
  team. You got to appreciate the win.
• 1:26:24
  You also got to think, well, you know, this gets you bowl
• 1:26:26
  eligibility for you know, whether you whether you care
• 1:26:29
  about that or not, it. Gets you there.
• 1:26:30
  With two games left to play it's frustrating though.
• 1:26:34
  I I get it being frustrated. I'm not going to be mad at the
• 1:26:36
  win, but I can be frustrated at the win.
• 1:26:39
  You've proved against teams like Miami and then you go against
• 1:26:43
  the team and you take a win against a team like Clemson.
• 1:26:45
  You prove that you can do it. Your your consistency and those
• 1:26:50
  situational plays and coaching mistakes have cost you a chance
• 1:26:55
  to play for something more. But what it tells you is who in
• 1:26:59
  my room did so much better this week.
• 1:27:03
  That fucked up against Syracuse, who fucked up against man,
• 1:27:07
  because that's where your notes need to be taken.
• 1:27:09
  Oh, he's coaching his A off this week, but what did he do?
• 1:27:13
  Look at that week. He was a little lackadaisical,
• 1:27:16
  not as enthusiastic, not as punishing, not as right in
• 1:27:19
  people's faces. Clemson week, he got up.
• 1:27:21
  That's like players too, right? You get mad at players like he's
• 1:27:25
  trying to play his best right now because it's the national
• 1:27:28
  stage. Play every game like that.
• 1:27:33
  All right, sorry. All right.
• 1:27:35
  Anything else gentlemen as we close the door on that and move
• 1:27:38
  over to some gambling picks? I'm all set buddy.
• 1:27:43
  Let's do it. Let's rock big screeners as we
• 1:27:47
  get into Week 11, Week 11 and as always, Brian Siegler kicks us
• 1:27:53
  off. Which part of the country are
• 1:27:55
  you travelling to, Brian? Hey, we're going back to
• 1:27:58
  Nashville, baby. We got the, the, the, the
• 1:28:01
  Fighting Beamers heading to Vandy.
• 1:28:06
  Vandy getting 3 1/2 at home. And I mean, I've Vandy has
• 1:28:10
  played to the level of every single opponent they faced this
• 1:28:15
  season. And I don't think that changes.
• 1:28:18
  I think Vandy with that home field advantage escapes.
• 1:28:22
  I think they went out right here.
• 1:28:23
  So give me Vandy. Yep, I'm, I'm with you.
• 1:28:27
  I think South Carolina is coming off the biggest win of Shane
• 1:28:32
  Beamer's career down there. And I think it's going to be a
• 1:28:35
  let down game. And I think it's also exactly
• 1:28:38
  what you just said. Brian Vanderbilt shows up every
• 1:28:42
  week for who they play against. Doesn't matter who it is, the
• 1:28:45
  best team or the worst team. So I think when they're a home
• 1:28:48
  dog, give me the 3 1/2. I think Vanderbilt wins outright
• 1:28:51
  as well. I actually took I took USC,
• 1:28:56
  although Curtis makes a good point.
• 1:28:57
  That's like they they probably do for an emotional let down,
• 1:28:59
  but I don't know, I just, I think they're, I think they're
• 1:29:02
  legit. I think I think, you know, Coach
• 1:29:04
  Beaver's building up something pretty special.
• 1:29:05
  So I think, I think Vanny's due for a loss too.
• 1:29:09
  I took Vandy. They got some voodoo man at that
• 1:29:14
  field. So I'm just going to say Vandy.
• 1:29:18
  Until as long as they're playing games there while that thing is
• 1:29:21
  still under construction, they're going to.
• 1:29:22
  Have Yeah, some. Sort of weird advantage.
• 1:29:24
  Yeah, they're going to keep that thing under construction for the
• 1:29:27
  next like 10 years. Yeah.
• 1:29:30
  All right, Miranda goes Danny. And rode along with the rest of
• 1:29:33
  us there. Shelton.
• 1:29:34
  So you're out there on an island.
• 1:29:35
  He is on an island. I'm I'm both in it, that's OK.
• 1:29:38
  You guys are sheep. That's OK.
• 1:29:42
  All righty. Well, I'm taking us to Atlanta
• 1:29:47
  where the number four in the CFP.
• 1:29:51
  We didn't get to talk about that tonight because we had to unload
• 1:29:53
  our emotional baggage from Virginia Tech, the number 4
• 1:29:56
  ranked Miami Hurricanes go down to Georgia Tech Georgia Tech
• 1:30:01
  getting 11. Haynes King.
• 1:30:03
  I I did do some research on that.
• 1:30:06
  Still not sure if he's back or not, but even if he's back, I
• 1:30:12
  think when you saw last week Miami starts putting the gears.
• 1:30:16
  Duke has a good defense and when they start putting the gears
• 1:30:20
  down, you see it. It's like they do not miss when
• 1:30:25
  they're on offense. They are going to score and
• 1:30:28
  they're going to score a lot. I think it's going to be an
• 1:30:30
  entertaining game. Give me 4528 Miami.
• 1:30:39
  Yeah, Curtis, I'm with you there.
• 1:30:41
  I think Miami's just got too much offense.
• 1:30:44
  Even if King is able to go, I don't think Georgia Tech's gonna
• 1:30:48
  be able to keep up with that Miami offense.
• 1:30:50
  So I think the Hurricanes will win by about two touchdowns
• 1:30:53
  here. Shell, I think, I feel like
• 1:30:56
  Miami's due for a sloppy game. They'll still win but I think
• 1:31:00
  King with her a couple dumb picks and maybe GTO surprising
• 1:31:03
  people a little bit. All right, I'm, I'm going Miami.
• 1:31:11
  See, is he an island again? Nope.
• 1:31:15
  He's not joining him this week, right Is joining him on this
• 1:31:17
  one. Sticking with the the rest of
• 1:31:19
  the fellows here, all righty. Shelton Moss, you have the next
• 1:31:23
  one, Sir. I was super excited about this
• 1:31:26
  game, the Holy War, a state that have a a a clear affection for
• 1:31:30
  in Utah match up of a team in BYU that's been moving up the
• 1:31:34
  CIP rankings with each and everyone.
• 1:31:37
  I think it's kind of falling off of Utah, but you know, still
• 1:31:38
  have some good talent that team. So I think it'll be an
• 1:31:41
  interesting game. I'm going to take Utah.
• 1:31:42
  I think they'll be motivated in a big rivalry game.
• 1:31:44
  I don't know whatever what trophy they call it, but
• 1:31:47
  whatever trophy it is, they'll they'll keep it in Salt Lake
• 1:31:49
  City. I dig that and I'm riding with
• 1:31:54
  you there, Sheldon. I think this does come down to a
• 1:31:57
  field goal there at the end. But I think that, you know, 4
• 1:32:00
  points at home, this type of rivalry, just a little too rich
• 1:32:04
  for my blood. So give me Utah.
• 1:32:07
  All right, first of all, they play for the beehive boot in the
• 1:32:10
  Holy War. That's beehive boot.
• 1:32:13
  Everybody looked at one of those interesting things.
• 1:32:18
  BYU ranked 9th in the CFP. Y'all can see they would be the
• 1:32:22
  four seed. They would get a buy if things
• 1:32:25
  hold out. But in this one, being in Salt
• 1:32:28
  Lake City, being at Utah, Utah four and four.
• 1:32:31
  By the way, you want to talk about a team with expectations
• 1:32:33
  that have fell flat? Utah preseason top ten now 500.
• 1:32:38
  Y'all imagine if we were ranked 10th and we were five and four
• 1:32:41
  y'all, Y'all thinking hours long would have done tonight?
• 1:32:44
  Oh no, we would have been going for two just.
• 1:32:45
  A What if you was ranked 10th and you were one in seven?
• 1:32:48
  It's not, yeah, it's not FSU rock.
• 1:32:50
  Bottom it ain't FSU rock bottom, but still it they should have
• 1:32:54
  been better, but I'm kind of with Brian.
• 1:32:56
  I think I'll think Utah with the points.
• 1:32:59
  I think BYU probably sneaks it out the tally.
• 1:33:06
  What are you thinking, man? I'm going to take BYU, man.
• 1:33:09
  I just think, you know, they're playing good ball and Utah is
• 1:33:15
  not. So it's going to be a holy war
• 1:33:18
  and BYU is going to be on the side of the Lord or whatever
• 1:33:23
  they, whatever they, their version of the Lord all.
• 1:33:28
  Right, we got Miranda taking Utah, Jason, Ron with Tally
• 1:33:34
  saying go Cougars, go Cougars. Oh, Tally, Tally.
• 1:33:39
  Oh, you showed me what? Go ahead.
• 1:33:41
  Let's talk about it. Alabama, LSU, man, it is always,
• 1:33:46
  always a good game of a good rivalry game here.
• 1:33:50
  Everybody gets together down here for that game.
• 1:33:52
  It's, you know, similar to the Iron Bowl.
• 1:33:56
  Those games used to be like knock down drag outs 6 to 9,
• 1:34:01
  three to six games between Alabama and LSU.
• 1:34:04
  Might have times changed where the offenses are different, but
• 1:34:09
  just because it is going to LSUI think that LSU is going to pull
• 1:34:14
  this game out. I think they probably beat
• 1:34:16
  Alabama by about 7 is what I would think.
• 1:34:19
  By the way, LSU is getting the points, Brian.
• 1:34:22
  LSU is a home dog on that one. And what about you, Brian?
• 1:34:30
  Did I put it in here wrong? That's yeah, you put it, you
• 1:34:32
  flip-flopped. That's fine.
• 1:34:33
  We can correct it. Yeah, that's my.
• 1:34:35
  It's all right. Yeah, that's why I was riding
• 1:34:39
  with Alabama here. I, I, I think Alabama is going
• 1:34:43
  to going to win this by at least a touchdown all.
• 1:34:46
  Right. I'm going with tally with this
• 1:34:48
  one. I think LSU is, I think after
• 1:34:53
  the loss to A and MI think they bounced back.
• 1:34:55
  This isn't the Alabama of old being at Death Valley at night.
• 1:35:00
  I think that's enough. I think, Kyle, I think you're
• 1:35:02
  about right. I think I think a touchdown's
• 1:35:04
  about right. And probably like a 3138 game is
• 1:35:07
  going to be fun to watch Saturday night.
• 1:35:09
  And I think that with that, that effectively is going to keep out
• 1:35:13
  Bama's not making a playoff after this game.
• 1:35:17
  Yeah, I'm taking, I'm, I'm taking Bama.
• 1:35:20
  They're kind of for bye week. I think they're going to stop
• 1:35:23
  them honestly. I mean, not, not too big a win,
• 1:35:25
  but they'll come out and they'll they'll handle business.
• 1:35:27
  All right, this is an elimination game, pretty much.
• 1:35:32
  One of these teams will not make the playoff, whoever loses this
• 1:35:35
  game. So there's tally.
• 1:35:36
  We're together, Miranda with us. We got a split house here on
• 1:35:42
  this game. All righty Miranda is going out
• 1:35:46
  to Lubbock where again we got another home dog.
• 1:35:49
  Texas Tech land 3 1/2 to Colorado.
• 1:35:52
  Colorado a sneaky 6 and two right now.
• 1:35:55
  Texas Tech coming off the big upset over Iowa State last week.
• 1:36:00
  Brian Siegler, How do you see this from playing out?
• 1:36:04
  I mean, you got to give Dion some credit.
• 1:36:06
  He's accomplished probably what the goal of this team was eight
• 1:36:09
  games into the year, sitting there at 6:00 and 2:00.
• 1:36:13
  So I'm I'm riding with the the Buffaloes here.
• 1:36:18
  Yep, I I'm right with you on that.
• 1:36:20
  I think Texas Tech it's again to get up again.
• 1:36:24
  I don't think they'll do it even at home.
• 1:36:27
  I I just don't I just don't see this happening.
• 1:36:30
  Give me Colorado. I like 3 1/2.
• 1:36:33
  Man, that color offense is above star right now.
• 1:36:35
  I don't think they're going to stop anytime soon.
• 1:36:37
  I think they're going to going to go to 7:00 and 2:00.
• 1:36:41
  Yeah, give me Colorado as well. I've not watched one play from
• 1:36:46
  Texas Tech is mainly the only reason that I say it Colorado.
• 1:36:50
  But I do think Colorado wins. And we are rolling as a.
• 1:36:56
  Oh man, well, we didn't put the voodoo curse right there.
• 1:36:58
  Colorado going to lose about 20 points now because we all rode
• 1:37:02
  together on this one. All righty.
• 1:37:05
  Last but not least, as always, let's end with the song Our
• 1:37:09
  Music Man with Michigan, Indiana.
• 1:37:23
  When I was born in a small town and I lived in a small town, I'd
• 1:37:32
  probably die. A small town, small home,
• 1:37:37
  community at home afraid. This is a small town where
• 1:37:45
  parents live in the same small town, my God's.
• 1:37:51
  A small town without a little lava to the thinking hope.
• 1:38:12
  Hey folks, it's Jamie. Hat to a little John Mellencamp.
• 1:38:15
  He's one of Indiana's favorite sons.
• 1:38:17
  And that's where I'm headed for this week's edition of Guitar
• 1:38:19
  Licks and Gambling Picks. Michigan travels to Indiana on
• 1:38:23
  Saturday and the Hoosiers have been flat out rolling this year.
• 1:38:27
  They are 9 and O, and they're eight and one against the
• 1:38:29
  spread. So I'm going to take Indiana -12
• 1:38:33
  1/2 points this Saturday against Michigan.
• 1:38:40
  Though I cannot feel for where these I come.
• 1:38:44
  From my head. Forgive the people who really
• 1:38:47
  love me when I keep myself here in a small town and people
• 1:38:51
  letting me Jesus will want to be in.
• 1:38:59
  Yeah. I can't believe I'm saying it,
• 1:39:14
  being a Sycamore and all. But go Hoosiers. -12 1/2 versus
• 1:39:19
  Michigan. See you next week.
• 1:39:23
  All righty, there we go, Jason taking Indiana there.
• 1:39:27
  John Mellencamp. I'm surprised he did not do Jack
• 1:39:29
  and Diane so he could, say, sucking on chili dogs outside.
• 1:39:32
  Tasty bees. We don't need all that sucking
• 1:39:35
  on chili dogs, homie. Hey, if they hey, if they keep
• 1:39:38
  winning, he going probably put the Ohio State game on there and
• 1:39:41
  he might do another Mellencamp song.
• 1:39:42
  Let's move on. He's taking Indiana.
• 1:39:45
  He is laying a boat. Ton of points.
• 1:39:47
  What are you doing, Brian? And that's the problem with this
• 1:39:49
  one, man 12 1/2 is just a little too rich for my blood.
• 1:39:52
  I think Michigan keeps it close and Hoosiers win, but it's
• 1:39:58
  tight. Yep, I, I I'm with you on that.
• 1:40:01
  I think Michigan's going to get up for this 112 1/2 too much and
• 1:40:04
  we caught the line early at things up.
• 1:40:05
  I think it's 14 now. I'm going to check out on the on
• 1:40:10
  the book real quick, but I. Think it needs to.
• 1:40:12
  It needs to be at least like 9 1/2.
• 1:40:13
  Before I would have been. Man, I'm telling you, Sheldon
• 1:40:17
  Moth. Yeah, India is definitely going
• 1:40:20
  to win, but Michigan will do just enough to cover.
• 1:40:23
  I think they've got they've got enough talent to keep a little
• 1:40:25
  bit close even though they're having a big down year
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  obviously. Huge down your tally.
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  Yamaga, Michigan. Mine is too big.
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  Too big, too big, man. Everybody's against the music
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  man this week. Everybody gets.
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  And by the way, that line did hit the 14.
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  Wow man. All right, so that a.
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  Lot of money's coming in on them because they are on a hot streak
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  so. I they are and they're blowing
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  and they're blowing teams out. They're putting teams to bed, by
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  the last few years, too, has also flipped.
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  You can hire an old coach. You can hire somebody in their
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  60s and you can do shit. Signeti's 62 years old.
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  So I I I am huh? He's got the juice.
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  He got the juice all right. Anything else y'all want to add
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  I got nothing, man. Just go play.
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  Just go play football on Saturday.
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