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- 0:00Speaker 1: I am all in again.
- 0:06Speaker 2: Oh, I am all in again with Scott Patterson and
- 0:20Speaker 2: iHeartRadio Podcast.
- 0:22Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast. Want
- 0:25Speaker 1: to love Productions. iHeart Radio Media. iHeart Podcast. We have
- 0:30Speaker 1: a very special Luke Steiner with Frankie Celens. Let me
- 0:34Speaker 1: tell you a little bit about Frankie's an Emmy Award
- 0:37Speaker 1: winning chef, TV host, cookbook author known for his taste
- 0:40Speaker 1: making shows Struggle Meals Worth the Hype and Frankie Versus
- 0:45Speaker 1: the Internet. Welcome Frankie to the show.
- 0:48Speaker 3: Good to be here, Scott, Luke, Scott, who do I
- 0:50Speaker 3: call you? You're Scott?
- 0:51Speaker 1: You call me by my my born name, my given name. Yeah, Luke.
- 0:57Speaker 1: Luke is not here right.
- 0:59Speaker 3: Now, Lucas my brother though, so it's very confusing for me.
- 1:03Speaker 1: It's very well, We're going to try to straighten things
- 1:05Speaker 1: out here for you, all right. Tell us back to
- 1:07Speaker 1: the very beginning, Frank Pete, you went to NYU Tish
- 1:12Speaker 1: School of the Arts for Music Production and Business, not
- 1:15Speaker 1: culinary school? Went did cooking go from things I do
- 1:19Speaker 1: for friends to this could actually be my career?
- 1:23Speaker 3: I was double majoring in Italian and so in the
- 1:26Speaker 3: summers I'd go be with three generations to go family
- 1:30Speaker 3: in Italy, and I mean, I have an Italian American family.
- 1:35Speaker 3: We cooked at home, but cooking with them in Italy
- 1:37Speaker 3: was like extra fun. And so I'd bring these dishes
- 1:40Speaker 3: and they tell me all these histories and myths of
- 1:42Speaker 3: these dishes that we all know now, but in two
- 1:45Speaker 3: thousand and seven, no one knew of them because the
- 1:47Speaker 3: YouTube was like just born and no one was doing
- 1:50Speaker 3: those videos. So my kitchen faced out in the city
- 1:54Speaker 3: and I'd throw these dinner parties and I'd charge everyone
- 1:57Speaker 3: a dollar less than the school meal plan. And when
- 1:59Speaker 3: like the seventh friend of a friend was like, you
- 2:01Speaker 3: should film this, I was like, yeah, I should film this.
- 2:05Speaker 3: That's pretty much it interesting.
- 2:08Speaker 1: Interesting. So you have revived your old taste made show
- 2:12Speaker 1: called Struggle Meals after three years of being off air.
- 2:15Speaker 1: What made this the right moment to bring it back?
- 2:20Speaker 3: Well, it seems that everyone's still talking about never ending inflation,
- 2:23Speaker 3: soaring the food costs, the inability to have more than
- 2:28Speaker 3: like thirty days money in advance. I believe food is
- 2:33Speaker 3: about the third biggest expense after housing and transportation, maybe
- 2:37Speaker 3: healthcare on people. So can I make a difference there,
- 2:41Speaker 3: I think I can. So the show started as that
- 2:43Speaker 3: we used to do under two dollars a plate. Quickly
- 2:46Speaker 3: those episodes became sort of obsolete, as now two dollars
- 2:49Speaker 3: buys half as much as it did when we started
- 2:51Speaker 3: making the show. So, but the affordable ingredients are still affordable,
- 2:56Speaker 3: and the ways to use everything up so there's no waste.
- 2:59Speaker 3: Obvious brings the cost of everyone's yearly spend it down.
- 3:03Speaker 3: So the themes remain. But the fans, we're asking for it,
- 3:06Speaker 3: and I think I think it's relevant.
- 3:09Speaker 1: Right, All right, Well, you also talked about how food
- 3:12Speaker 1: in this country gets wasted. Yeah, how much of Struggle
- 3:16Speaker 1: Meals is really about saving money versus just using what
- 3:21Speaker 1: you will already have.
- 3:23Speaker 3: Yeah, for the people that are haven't watched the show,
- 3:27Speaker 3: you hear a struggle meal and you think I'm you know,
- 3:29Speaker 3: taking a piece of wonderbread and putting half a banana
- 3:32Speaker 3: and mayo on it. That's not what's happening. This struggle
- 3:35Speaker 3: obviously can be financial, but it can also be finding time,
- 3:38Speaker 3: and everything is relative. You could have a family that's
- 3:42Speaker 3: arning really well and they're still not able to save
- 3:44Speaker 3: money because of whatever's going on. And just how much
- 3:48Speaker 3: things cost. So, yeah, the stat is the thirty percent
- 3:51Speaker 3: of groceries going the garbage. So if you spend ten
- 3:55Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year on groceries, three is gone. So
- 3:59Speaker 3: if you if you can just plan, if you can
- 4:01Speaker 3: figure out how to use it, if you don't get
- 4:03Speaker 3: bored with a certain ingredient, and you can get derivative
- 4:07Speaker 3: dishes out of it, then you could save that theoretical money.
- 4:11Speaker 3: I feel like that's the bigst way to save right there.
- 4:15Speaker 1: What do you tell people who love ground beef but
- 4:20Speaker 1: at thirty dollars plus a pound, how do they replace that?
- 4:26Speaker 3: James Beard Foundation did a thing maybe fifteen years ago
- 4:29Speaker 3: where they were mixing it with mushroom to keep that
- 4:32Speaker 3: umami richness there but lower the beef. Obviously, the old
- 4:37Speaker 3: way of doing it is meatballs, meat loaf, put filler
- 4:40Speaker 3: in breadcrumbs, egg cheese, things like that. But I've been
- 4:45Speaker 3: using chicken livers to stretch the beef. Interesting, there's one
- 4:51Speaker 3: sixth the cost per pound to ground beef. Wow.
- 4:56Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're replacing the beef totally or you're adding
- 5:01Speaker 1: to it so you're not using as much beef.
- 5:03Speaker 3: Let's say, just round numbers. Let's say two pounds of
- 5:07Speaker 3: ground beef is ten bucks and two pounds of chicken
- 5:09Speaker 3: livers is two dollars. And I goh, twenty ounces of
- 5:14Speaker 3: beef and then sixteen thirty two and then twelve of
- 5:19Speaker 3: the chicken livers. I've taken the cost down significant, right,
- 5:24Speaker 3: like more than half. Make a nice ride. Good with that,
- 5:26Speaker 3: Mix it with pasta.
- 5:28Speaker 1: There you go, it's not bad. It's not bad, all right. So,
- 5:31Speaker 1: looking back at the run before the hiatus, is there
- 5:34Speaker 1: an episode or recipe you're most excited to revisit or
- 5:38Speaker 1: improve now that you're doing it again.
- 5:41Speaker 3: I'm at the point, as I'm sure you have experienced
- 5:45Speaker 3: as well, where you realize you can't really reinvent the wheel,
- 5:47Speaker 3: and you do a lot of repeating of the things
- 5:49Speaker 3: that you've said. So the question you're just asked is
- 5:52Speaker 3: similar to one that someone asked me recently, which is,
- 5:56Speaker 3: you know, what are you excited to teach the audience
- 5:58Speaker 3: that they don't already know? And the and the answer
- 6:01Speaker 3: is like the thing that I haven't yet figured out
- 6:03Speaker 3: that I can't wait to share with them. So there
- 6:05Speaker 3: is still learning constantly happening. I always love to cook apasta,
- 6:10Speaker 3: I would say that, even though I love every dish
- 6:13Speaker 3: that I make, like every twentieth one, is like really, like,
- 6:16Speaker 3: this is the best thing I've ever had. And since
- 6:20Speaker 3: I'm not a professional actor like you, I think you
- 6:23Speaker 3: see it even more. I get even more excited.
- 6:26Speaker 1: That's right, all right. So you've cooked meals for some
- 6:30Speaker 1: pretty prominent figures, world figures, famous the fames Novak Djokovic.
- 6:38Speaker 1: You made a meal for the best tennis player in
- 6:42Speaker 1: the history of the game.
- 6:44Speaker 3: Arguably, I've made like one hundred meals for him. I
- 6:47Speaker 3: did two US one hundred. I don't know, it's three
- 6:51Speaker 3: weeks for the US Open, times two and Cincinnati Open.
- 6:54Speaker 1: All right, So you were you were his personal chef
- 6:57Speaker 1: during the during the US Oh, that's fantastic.
- 7:00Speaker 3: Nineteen and twenty.
- 7:01Speaker 1: So what did he eat? What was that like for you?
- 7:04Speaker 1: What was that experience?
- 7:05Speaker 3: Like, well, he's vegan, he's gluten free. I can't get
- 7:08Speaker 3: too much into the details, but I'll give you one
- 7:10Speaker 3: thing that's incredible. Then he thinks of Obviously, he wants
- 7:14Speaker 3: food and he wants it to be balanced. He starts
- 7:16Speaker 3: most mornings with celery juice that is cold pressed and
- 7:21Speaker 3: at one point in twenty nineteen, I went through all
- 7:24Speaker 3: the organic celery in like the radius of where I
- 7:26Speaker 3: was working for him. Then I just grabbed conventional one
- 7:30Speaker 3: day and you can actually see it separate into a
- 7:33Speaker 3: film of whatever the pesticide is. I was like, I
- 7:35Speaker 3: can't do this, and that went away. But that was why,
- 7:38Speaker 3: just to see that that aside, the guy burns a
- 7:41Speaker 3: lot of calories. He's an elite athlete. We've all watched
- 7:44Speaker 3: well tennis fans have watched him do a five setter
- 7:47Speaker 3: that goes five six hours, you know, and you realize
- 7:50Speaker 3: this is literally like running a double marathon. Okay, so
- 7:54Speaker 3: vegan and gluten free, how do you get a lot
- 7:56Speaker 3: of calories in? And he thinks about how much energy
- 8:00Speaker 3: it's going to take to digest those calories. So let's
- 8:05Speaker 3: just use cashewes as an example. Let's say a cashew
- 8:09Speaker 3: has ten calories. I'm sure it has less one cashe,
- 8:13Speaker 3: but let's just say it as ten calories, and if
- 8:14Speaker 3: you eat a raw cashew, your body spends five calories
- 8:18Speaker 3: digesting it. Well, Novak has me soaking the cashes in
- 8:23Speaker 3: water and then dehydrating them at such a low temperature
- 8:26Speaker 3: that there's no miard reaction, but so they become much softer,
- 8:29Speaker 3: so the digestion process can start outside the body. So
- 8:33Speaker 3: now the ten calorie cash you might only take two
- 8:35Speaker 3: calories to digest, and so he gets NET eight instead
- 8:39Speaker 3: of NET five. I just thought that was very interesting,
- 8:42Speaker 3: and that every single ingredient was treated to like a
- 8:48Speaker 3: ridiculous degree. And I've never worked so hard in my
- 8:51Speaker 3: entire life.
- 8:52Speaker 1: He so he's playing five sets in ninety plus degrees
- 8:58Speaker 1: and winning trophies and millions and not really looking that tired.
- 9:06Speaker 1: I just want to say, I'm you know, I'm on
- 9:09Speaker 1: a pretty strict diet and workout regimen. I played three
- 9:13Speaker 1: games of pickleball the other day with my son versus
- 9:16Speaker 1: my buddy and his son, and I almost collapsed. Anyway, Frankie,
- 9:21Speaker 1: I think I need you.
- 9:23Speaker 3: You need the soaked cashws.
- 9:26Speaker 1: You got it? Can you start soaking some cashws for
- 9:28Speaker 1: me and dehydrate the crap out of them place? I
- 9:31Speaker 1: need that net net. What's the most memorable guest you've
- 9:35Speaker 1: had on any of your shows? And and what was
- 9:38Speaker 1: it like cooking alongside them? If if you can reveal this.
- 9:42Speaker 3: My the most memorable guest that I've ever had is
- 9:44Speaker 3: Cookie Monster. It's just such a wild experience to with
- 9:51Speaker 3: Cookie Monster. Yeah, the the operator of cookie Monster is
- 9:56Speaker 3: a really funny guy. And I have never had so
- 9:59Speaker 3: many people, you know, from an office want to come
- 10:02Speaker 3: in onto set to watch what's going on, like it's
- 10:04Speaker 3: the biggest celebrity I've ever worked with. His Cookie Monster.
- 10:10Speaker 1: That's so good.
- 10:11Speaker 3: Just maybe it's the most interesting thing to watch. And
- 10:13Speaker 3: now I've worked with him in two configurations, and one
- 10:15Speaker 3: of them was two people. His mouth would be the
- 10:18Speaker 3: right hand and the left hand of Cookie Monster would
- 10:21Speaker 3: be the left hand, and then he would have another
- 10:23Speaker 3: operator doing the right hand with the right hand, and
- 10:26Speaker 3: they kind of like sit on top of each other
- 10:28Speaker 3: in a beanbag. So whenever you see Cookie Monster doing
- 10:31Speaker 3: something with two hands, like drumming, that's two different people
- 10:34Speaker 3: trying to synchronize.
- 10:36Speaker 1: Oh okay. He puts a.
- 10:37Speaker 3: Little Lava Leer microphone on a baseball hat like this,
- 10:40Speaker 3: so no matter where his head is in space, that
- 10:42Speaker 3: it stays and they look at reversed monitors under the
- 10:46Speaker 3: table to see what's going on.
- 10:49Speaker 1: Oh that's great, Yeah, that's great. All right, here's the question.
- 11:01Speaker 1: If someone is cooking for themselves for the very first time,
- 11:05Speaker 1: broken a little overwhelmed. What's the first recipe you would
- 11:09Speaker 1: hand them?
- 11:10Speaker 3: Is it breakfast lunch for dinner? Scott?
- 11:13Speaker 1: All right, let's just say let's just say breakfast. No, no,
- 11:16Speaker 1: let's say dinner. Let's take I think you should.
- 11:19Speaker 3: I think apasta is the way to get out because
- 11:21Speaker 3: it teaches you to have two things happening simultaneously, and
- 11:24Speaker 3: you go with a simple sauce. I don't want to
- 11:27Speaker 3: do a jarred tomato sauce. I literally want you to
- 11:29Speaker 3: do garlic and oil with spaghetti. And that way you
- 11:34Speaker 3: can learn to salt the pasta water correctly, so the
- 11:36Speaker 3: pasta has flavored straight out of the water. And you
- 11:39Speaker 3: can learn to watch something intently and not burn it.
- 11:42Speaker 3: That is the garlic in the oil, and then marry
- 11:44Speaker 3: them together. That is a delicious dish. It means like literally,
- 11:48Speaker 3: that could be it. You could add some red pepper flakes,
- 11:50Speaker 3: you could add some parsley, no cheese.
- 11:53Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question, this is for me.
- 11:56Speaker 1: How much water do you pour into the marria or
- 12:00Speaker 1: in an aerowsauce so that it sticks to the pasta
- 12:04Speaker 1: while while you're cooking the marin air sauce while you're
- 12:07Speaker 1: heating it up.
- 12:08Speaker 3: It's not a static answer, as I'm sure you know.
- 12:12Speaker 3: So if I opened the can of crushed tomatoes, let's say,
- 12:16Speaker 3: and put it in a pot and it reduced by
- 12:19Speaker 3: I don't know by a quarter, that that's going to
- 12:23Speaker 3: need less water than something that reduced by half. If
- 12:26Speaker 3: I am using a pasta that's extruded through a teflon dye,
- 12:31Speaker 3: which they do that for speed, it probably means that
- 12:34Speaker 3: in the factory when they dried it out, they didn't
- 12:36Speaker 3: dry it out so long, so it continues to be
- 12:38Speaker 3: a sponge and absorbed water. More more expensive extruded pasta
- 12:43Speaker 3: which they dried out longer, which is gonna have a
- 12:46Speaker 3: much bigger aldent date window. And not have you ever
- 12:49Speaker 3: put not to like rag on, you know, gorilla, but
- 12:53Speaker 3: like have you ever left that in the fridge overnight,
- 12:55Speaker 3: in the sauce and in the spaghetti's like three times
- 12:57Speaker 3: the size the next morning?
- 12:59Speaker 1: Ye? Yes, of course trying that's the quick.
- 13:03Speaker 3: Drying in the manufacturing process that one's going to need
- 13:06Speaker 3: more water for sure, because the possible is like a
- 13:09Speaker 3: never ending sponge soaking up all moisture around it, right,
- 13:13Speaker 3: So the answer is you got to use your eyes.
- 13:16Speaker 1: Okay, all right, good tip, good pro tip. Thank you
- 13:19Speaker 1: for that. All right. So, since this is a Gilmore
- 13:21Speaker 1: Girls podcast overall, and I play a diner on her
- 13:25Speaker 1: named Luke, what's a budget friendly diner item anyone can
- 13:31Speaker 1: make at home?
- 13:32Speaker 3: We're doing breakfast, we're doing dinner.
- 13:34Speaker 1: Let's do let's do breakfast this time.
- 13:37Speaker 3: I think pancakes, but like, don't buy a mix, is
- 13:41Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You know, find some some flour, some
- 13:46Speaker 3: baking soda, some sugar, throw a little salt in there,
- 13:51Speaker 3: definitely get a little oil in there, and and right,
- 13:54Speaker 3: maybe some sparkling water to give it a little more lyft.
- 13:58Speaker 3: Make sure you butter up that cast iron carbon steel
- 14:01Speaker 3: griddled pant whatever. You're gonna probably waste the first one
- 14:06Speaker 3: until you get that round, buttered, beautiful edge. Right. There's
- 14:12Speaker 3: finesse to that, as you know.
- 14:15Speaker 1: Or you can go to the WB Tour's website and
- 14:18Speaker 1: order Luke's Diner pancake Mix, which is all of those
- 14:22Speaker 1: things that you just described. You could do that, you
- 14:25Speaker 1: could do that.
- 14:26Speaker 3: You could you could make your own take frozen blueberries
- 14:29Speaker 3: and sugar and sort of make your own syrup. If
- 14:32Speaker 3: you don't have access to maple syrup or something like that,
- 14:34Speaker 3: say any of these fruits and just mix it basically
- 14:36Speaker 3: fifty to fifty with sugar. Could be down. Believe you've
- 14:39Speaker 3: got your sweet sauce.
- 14:41Speaker 1: Or you could go to the w B Tours website
- 14:45Speaker 1: and order Lukes maple syrup. You could do that too.
- 14:50Speaker 1: You could do all those things, couldn't you?
- 14:53Speaker 3: You could do that? Was this question is set up
- 14:57Speaker 3: for that. No, I'm gonna do that.
- 14:59Speaker 1: It's just not engineal at all.
- 15:03Speaker 3: I love I love a good Euro at a diner.
- 15:07Speaker 3: I feel like you can mimic the meat on a
- 15:10Speaker 3: spit with spam because it's compressed meat. And you know,
- 15:13Speaker 3: if you cut it up real nice and can make
- 15:15Speaker 3: some pedas with with yogurt and flour.
- 15:18Speaker 1: And mimic the meat on a stick with spam, that's.
- 15:21Speaker 3: A nice fit. S P I T you know how
- 15:25Speaker 3: the gyro Euro?
- 15:27Speaker 1: Right? Sure? Well?
- 15:28Speaker 3: I compressed? Like how do you mimic that without that equipment?
- 15:32Speaker 3: And I say, get meat that's already been compressed and
- 15:36Speaker 3: drive up really nicely because of beautiful pockets of a
- 15:38Speaker 3: multified fat throughout the product.
- 15:40Speaker 1: Nice, nice, nice, all right, Rory Laurl. I visit Luke's
- 15:46Speaker 1: Diner almost every day, and why wouldn't they? And if
- 15:50Speaker 1: you ran a diner, Frankie, uh, what would be your
- 15:54Speaker 1: staples on the menu.
- 15:56Speaker 3: At breakfast time? I'd make sure that I had a
- 15:58Speaker 3: really really good pancake an egg situation. And I want
- 16:01Speaker 3: scrapple in there because I just don't see scrapple enough.
- 16:05Speaker 1: What is scrapple, by the way.
- 16:07Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's mystery me.
- 16:10Speaker 1: But what is it? What is scrapple?
- 16:12Speaker 3: It's it's like, uh, oh man, we did it in
- 16:16Speaker 3: sausage school. So it's like all the filling of a
- 16:19Speaker 3: sausage with some other things, but it's not in casing.
- 16:23Speaker 3: It's it's hash browns of the meat world with unknown ingredients.
- 16:30Speaker 3: That that's a pretty good answer.
- 16:31Speaker 1: Right, hash bros the meat world?
- 16:34Speaker 3: What is scrapple to you?
- 16:37Speaker 1: Now? I'm just saying because I you know, I broke
- 16:39Speaker 1: into the entertainment business at five years old doing a
- 16:43Speaker 1: a commercial radio spot for Habersets sausage and scrapple, and
- 16:49Speaker 1: my sister and I voiced over that that that radio spot,
- 16:54Speaker 1: so I and I never I just here you are
- 16:57Speaker 1: and you talk and scrapple, and I want to know
- 16:59Speaker 1: what the heck it is because I've never asked the question,
- 17:03Speaker 1: even though I represented the product proudly at five.
- 17:07Speaker 3: The Americans watch Talan, right. I mean the word itself
- 17:11Speaker 3: sounds like scraps, right, So I don't think there's a
- 17:17Speaker 3: defined recipe for it. I think it's a great way
- 17:20Speaker 3: to reduce the thirty percent of ingredients that go in
- 17:22Speaker 3: the garbage for the average American.
- 17:28Speaker 1: I think that's the best answer I could hope for
- 17:30Speaker 1: right there. All right, if you were a paying Frankie,
- 17:33Speaker 1: if you were a paying customer at Luke Steiner, what
- 17:37Speaker 1: would you personally order and where would you sit?
- 17:40Speaker 3: I'd sit at the bar all the way probably on
- 17:43Speaker 3: the right, and I'd want something off menu that is
- 17:45Speaker 3: simple and delicious, like what, I don't know, whatever you're feeling.
- 17:51Speaker 1: Like, Luke's in your Luke's there, he's waiting, he's impatient,
- 17:55Speaker 1: he could blow at any moment. What are you telling
- 17:58Speaker 1: them to do off the menu?
- 18:00Speaker 3: The thing that causes the least is that amount of
- 18:02Speaker 3: stress that he would make for himself.
- 18:06Speaker 1: So it's really it's a question back on me.
- 18:08Speaker 3: It is a question back on you so, and it's
- 18:10Speaker 3: also what do you have right now?
- 18:12Speaker 1: You know meased out right right right right right, all right.
- 18:16Speaker 3: Question is can we answer that question right now? You're
- 18:18Speaker 3: going to come up with something.
- 18:19Speaker 1: We are going to have to revisit this. Okay, we
- 18:23Speaker 1: will have to revisit this. Frankie Selenza, great, Han, you
- 18:27Speaker 1: please come back on. You're a lot of funks. We'll
- 18:30Speaker 1: continue the conversation. Good luck with everything. Check out Frankie Shows, Struggle,
- 18:35Speaker 1: Meals on Taste, MADS YouTube page. Frankie Selenza much appreciate
- 18:40Speaker 1: the time, continued success and remember the best man's on
- 18:43Speaker 1: the planet. Keep those cards in letter coming. We appreciate them.
- 18:47Speaker 1: We read every single one of them. Where you lead,
- 18:50Speaker 1: we will follow.
- 18:51Speaker 4: Stay safety, Hey, everybody off again.
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- 19:26Speaker 1: and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.