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The Kenny Report | 5 December · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 4: In an exclusive interview, a labor heavyweight says Anthony Alberizi
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  Speaker 4: needs to reset his moral compass on Israel. Former Army
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  Speaker 4: colonel and federal labor minister Mike Kelly says Labour's stance
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  Speaker 4: on the Middle East is putting our country at risk.
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  Speaker 4: The full interview tonight. Also an unauthorized protest by anti
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  Speaker 4: Israel activists in Sydney. Yet once again it's the supporter
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  Speaker 4: of his supporters of Israel who the police target. I'll
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  Speaker 4: speak to a man bundled away by the New South
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  Speaker 4: Wales police. The Coalition gives regional communities a clear choice
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  Speaker 4: over massive.
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  Speaker 3: Renewable energy projects.
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  Speaker 4: All that and lots more, plus Tim Blair and Mark
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  Speaker 4: Nicholson on Pauline Hansen the movie Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 4: Let's take a moment tonight to pat our regional communities
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  Speaker 4: on the back because they're starting to chalk up some
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  Speaker 4: winds against reckless renewables projects. You see, it's the tesla
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  Speaker 4: driving inner city green left types who demand renewable energy,
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  Speaker 4: but the wind turbines and solar factories never blight their
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  Speaker 4: landscapes and never cause them any inconvenience.
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  Speaker 3: Its regional communities.
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  Speaker 4: Who have to pay the price, either as threats to
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  Speaker 4: their livelihoods or damage to their environments. On this program,
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  Speaker 4: we've highlighted many of these cases over the past few years.
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  Speaker 4: Solar farms near Golden wind farms along the coastal ranges
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  Speaker 4: of North Consland, offshore wind projects off Port Stephens and
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  Speaker 4: the Illawara in New South Wales, and Port McDonald and
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  Speaker 4: South Australia, transmission lines through western and Central Victoria, through
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  Speaker 4: the Australian Alps around Tumid and Yas, and all across
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  Speaker 4: the Central West Hunter Valley and New England.
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  Speaker 3: Renewable energy zones in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 4: All over the country, local communities and landholders and fishes
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  Speaker 4: and environmentalists are up in arms about what they call
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  Speaker 4: reckless renewable projects. We've already seen some victories. After we
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  Speaker 4: spoke with Crayfishes at Pork McDonald about concerns for their industry,
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  Speaker 4: the giant offshore wind project off the coast of the
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  Speaker 4: South Australian and Victorian border in the Southern Ocean was
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  Speaker 4: scaled back. We've also seen the coalition offer hope to
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  Speaker 4: the Illawarra communities worried about their offshore project. The opposition
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  Speaker 4: leader says if he wins office, he'll scrap the project
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  Speaker 4: that was announced only on the weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Today, I'm announcing that I have declared the Illawarra Offshore
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  Speaker 5: Wind Zone.
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  Speaker 6: The zone is some oneenty twenty two square kilometers in
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  Speaker 6: total and stretches from Stanwell Park in the north to
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  Speaker 6: the edge of Kayama in the south. It'll sit around
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  Speaker 6: twenty kilometers offshore and over two hundred turbines at its
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  Speaker 6: maximum capacity. Opponents of the scheme are still worried about
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  Speaker 6: the impact on marine life.
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  Speaker 7: This has never been done before. What they are proposing
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  Speaker 7: is a world first. This is an experiment, a massive experiment,
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  Speaker 7: and there is no evidence about the impact of offshore
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  Speaker 7: floating wind turbines on Wales.
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  Speaker 3: Because there is no evidence.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an extraordinary risk to the environment and to tourism,
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  Speaker 4: and it's also a massive economic and engineering risk too. Labor,
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  Speaker 4: the Greens and the tills are determined to do what
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  Speaker 4: no other comparable country has ever done, and that is
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  Speaker 4: run a modern economy on renewables alone.
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  Speaker 5: There has been a botch process from day one by
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  Speaker 5: Chris Balen.
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  Speaker 4: So the coalition is opposing that development. It gives the
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  Speaker 4: people in the Woollongong area a clear choice at next
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  Speaker 4: year's federal election. Well what about the Hunter Coast then
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  Speaker 4: the North where people around Newcastle and the Port Stephens
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  Speaker 4: area have also opposed a vast offshore scheme wrecking our beaches,
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  Speaker 4: wrecking our coastline, wrecking the wildlife, destroying our tourism. That's
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  Speaker 4: not the solution Australia and especially places like Port Stephens
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  Speaker 4: rely on that tourism.
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  Speaker 8: It's a kick in the guts for the people of
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  Speaker 8: Port Stephens and the Miral Coast. We need to do
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  Speaker 8: more consultation, we need to do more studies. It's eighteen
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  Speaker 8: hundred square kilometers. This area runs for over one hundred
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  Speaker 8: kilometers in length. That impacts on all the game fishing
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  Speaker 8: it well.
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  Speaker 4: Again, Peter Dutton is offering hope. He visited the region
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  Speaker 4: again today.
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  Speaker 3: This is not our first visit. We've certainly been out
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  Speaker 3: on the boat. We've looked at the area.
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  Speaker 5: The zone where these wind turbines were projected to go
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  Speaker 5: two hundred and sixty meters above the water is going
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  Speaker 5: to be a scar on the landscape.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's certainly what many locals say.
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  Speaker 4: And then there's the practicalities of cost, maintenance, reliability, the
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  Speaker 4: obstacles for shipping and whale migration and all up. The
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  Speaker 4: opposition leader has seen enough to make another decisive call.
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  Speaker 5: If there is a change of government at the next election,
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  Speaker 5: then we can give it assurance to this local community
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  Speaker 5: that this project will not proceed, the zone will not proceed,
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  Speaker 5: and we will make sure that the environment and the
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  Speaker 5: local community comes first.
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  Speaker 4: So another community has a clear choice to make at
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  Speaker 4: the upcoming federal election. The politics of this is crucial.
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  Speaker 4: Seats could change hands. Grassroots communities are standing up for
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  Speaker 4: their local environments as hundreds of onshore and offshore wind
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  Speaker 4: projects as well as solar factories are being proposed right
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  Speaker 4: around the country and on the transmission lines to.
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  Speaker 3: Connect them all.
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  Speaker 4: Now, just to give you some perspective on transmission lines,
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  Speaker 4: think of the Hume Highway stretching all the way from
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  Speaker 4: Sydney to Melbourne. We're talking about building the equivalent of
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  Speaker 4: fifteen major transmission lines on one side of the highway
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  Speaker 4: all the way from the Opera House down to the
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  Speaker 4: mcg and then building another fifteen lines on the other
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  Speaker 4: side of the highway, thirty major lines from Sydney to Melbourne.
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  Speaker 4: That's what they want to spread right across the Eastern States. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the fight has only just begun on all of this,
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  Speaker 4: and all Labor can do is run a scare campaign
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  Speaker 4: about nuclear energy.
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  Speaker 3: There are two clear.
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  Speaker 4: Plans on off on now when it comes to our
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  Speaker 4: energy future. Neither's going to be cheap. But one plan,
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  Speaker 4: the Labor Greens and Tills plan for renewables, only involves
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  Speaker 4: an assault on landscapes and regional communities right across the country,
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  Speaker 4: and according to the engineering and economics it will.
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  Speaker 3: Not work anyway. The other is the coalition's nuclear.
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  Speaker 4: Plan dense power with a small footprint using existing transmission lines,
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  Speaker 4: and which we know works so well that most developed
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  Speaker 4: countries are expanding its use.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Next year's election provides a clear choice on our energy future.
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  Speaker 4: We've had that kifaffle all week about Australia Day and
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  Speaker 4: that crazy move by the Australian Venues Pub's conglomerate to
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  Speaker 4: ban celebrations next month.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: A bunch of porty heads in the corporate headquarters owned
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  Speaker 4: by Asian investors.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, a bunch.
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  Speaker 4: Of porty heads decided it would be woke to ban
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  Speaker 4: Australia Day celebrations at the pub, and they were eventually
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  Speaker 4: forced to apologize. Talk about not knowing your customers, talk
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  Speaker 4: about not knowing your country, and talk about not knowing
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  Speaker 4: your business.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you wonder where all this comes from, don't you?
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  Speaker 4: Apart from the woke green left politicians, we do know
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  Speaker 4: a lot of this nonsense comes from our education system.
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  Speaker 3: Kids have been brought up on it for years.
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  Speaker 4: And to give you an example, have a listen to
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  Speaker 4: what's in an official Australian Education Union diary for teachers.
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  Speaker 9: The Australian Education Union has brought out a cheery twenty
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  Speaker 9: twenty five desk diary for every public school teacher in
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  Speaker 9: South Australia that lists January twenty sixth as Invasion Day.
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  Speaker 2: That's nice.
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  Speaker 9: Not that they're biased or anything there on Green who rown,
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  Speaker 9: but yeah, that's the mandated description from the Australian Education
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  Speaker 9: Union of January twenty sixth.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: PEMBO is astonished, as we all well should be. And
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  Speaker 4: here it is in the official teacher's diary. Invasion Day
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  Speaker 4: actually marked for the twenty seventh for the public holiday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you wonder why it.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes feels like the country is losing its marbles.
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  Speaker 3: Remember it all starts at school.
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  Speaker 4: And isn't it strange how none of these self confessed
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  Speaker 4: beneficiaries of invasion are offering to bugger off and leave
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  Speaker 4: their real estate behind.
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  Speaker 3: Just one other personal reflection.
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  Speaker 4: Last night, I was lucky enough to go with my
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  Speaker 4: family to a crowded house concert on the Opera House Forecourt. Now,
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  Speaker 4: as you can see with this shot from my phone,
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  Speaker 4: it's a pretty iconic location and it was a spectacular night.
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  Speaker 4: Lots of singing from the crowd, smiles all round, and
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  Speaker 4: people from all walks of life united by music. Now,
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  Speaker 4: this is what the Forecourt is for. It's a place
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  Speaker 4: for us to share. It's not a place for one
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  Speaker 4: group of Australians to express hatred or wish violence upon
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  Speaker 4: another group of Australians, as we tragically saw at that
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  Speaker 4: location last October. It was great see it reclaimed for
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  Speaker 4: the right purposes last night. Yet there was another ugly
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  Speaker 4: protests in Sydney last night. Pro Palestinian or anti israel
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  Speaker 4: protesters targeted the Great Synagogue in the CBD. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 4: claimed to be opposed to the Israeli government, only not Jews.
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  Speaker 4: Yet they targeted a synagogue, leaving Jewish Australians hold up inside. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: just terrible stuff. The whole river to the sea. Bile
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  Speaker 4: was rolled out again.
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  Speaker 3: And police just stood by and washed.
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  Speaker 4: Even though today the New South Wales Police declared that
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  Speaker 4: this was an unauthorized protest. But have a look at
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  Speaker 4: what happened when a Jewish man tried to unfurl an
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  Speaker 4: Israeli flag across the road the world.
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  Speaker 7: The people go go you're going back?
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  Speaker 3: Did you go away? I would you think pagonized? You
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  Speaker 3: no need to be here? Yeah, here we go again.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, the aggressive protesters yelling bile against Israel and forcing
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  Speaker 4: people to lock down inside a synagogue, Well they're left alone.
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  Speaker 4: But the citizen attempting to fly an Israeli flag is
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  Speaker 4: grabbed by police and taken away to be read the
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  Speaker 4: riot Act.
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  Speaker 10: I'll detain you for a breach of the peace, mate,
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  Speaker 10: of course, that's ihagonized. The mackay, there's a chance that
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  Speaker 10: they could get upset and they can hurt you. We
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  Speaker 10: don't have the police to stop fifty people coming across
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  Speaker 10: it attacking you.
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  Speaker 4: What on earth is going on here? Haven't the police
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  Speaker 4: got this the wrong way around? Listen to this exchange
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  Speaker 4: and remember that the police have said today that the
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  Speaker 4: anti Israel protest was unauthorized.
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  Speaker 11: What makes their activity not to breach of the peace.
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  Speaker 12: They're out of protest?
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  Speaker 3: Have they filled the form one? Yes they have they haven't.
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  Speaker 12: No, they have it, they perceived it. You're allowed to protest.
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  Speaker 12: They're having someone come in.
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  Speaker 10: Any paganizing a protest is where the breach of the piece.
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  Speaker 3: Now, someone has got something wrong here.
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  Speaker 4: Either that inspector was wrong or the police got it
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  Speaker 4: wrong today.
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  Speaker 3: Either way, the.
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  Speaker 4: Police issued an infringement notice to one man who refused
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  Speaker 4: to comply with instructions, and the man in that video
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  Speaker 4: of Fa Beerenbaum was not charged because he complied. And
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  Speaker 4: he joins me now life live in Sydney. Thanks for
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  Speaker 4: joining me, A fear as good to talk to you.
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  Speaker 4: Tell me first up, when you unfilled that flag, what
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  Speaker 4: did the protesters yell out to you?
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  Speaker 3: And did you yell anything back?
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  Speaker 11: I was peace full, yet been accused of breaching the peace.
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  Speaker 11: I didn't say anything I heard disgusting, shame on you.
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  Speaker 11: The typical cessful phrases like genocide murderer, blood on your hands,
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  Speaker 11: you know, just another Wednesday for US Jews and sorry Zionus.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it's extraordinary to hear the police said
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  Speaker 4: today that there was an unauthorized protest, yet you challenged
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  Speaker 4: that with the inspector last night who told you it
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  Speaker 4: was authorized, and that was his only justification for you
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  Speaker 4: moving away, because this was their protest approved and they're
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  Speaker 4: therefore you were antagonizing them by being there and waving
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  Speaker 4: your flag. I mean, I just don't understand why waving
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  Speaker 4: a Palestinian flag and chanting bile is okay, but standing
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  Speaker 4: there silently with an Israeli flag is not.
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  Speaker 11: I believe the context does matter in this case. There's
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  Speaker 11: a very clear difference between me going on a Sunday
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  Speaker 11: afternoon in the city to their protest waving an Israeli flag,
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  Speaker 11: and that's how the police treated me like I crashed
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  Speaker 11: their event and wanted to interrupt. But the reality was
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  Speaker 11: it was an Israeli event in a synagogue celebrating Israeli innovation.
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  Speaker 11: Hence me rocking up with an Israeli flag. This is
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  Speaker 11: the expected and in the natural thing to do while
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  Speaker 11: having a Palestinian flags in other flags and signs like
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  Speaker 11: rivers of blood and eat the rich that does not
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  Speaker 11: belong in the Jewish pro Israel event in a synagogue.
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  Speaker 11: The question we need to ask ourselves why did I
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  Speaker 11: breach the piece and they.
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  Speaker 3: Allegedly didn't. Well, that is the extraordinary thing. You've explained
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  Speaker 3: it perfectly.
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  Speaker 12: There.
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  Speaker 4: There was an event at the synagogue. It had nothing
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  Speaker 4: to do with the war in the Middle East. And
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  Speaker 4: these people have targeted that Israeli event at a place
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  Speaker 4: of worship with their bio rants and with their flags,
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  Speaker 4: and yet the police protected them and just stood guard
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  Speaker 4: and targeted you instead. Did you have anything to do
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  Speaker 4: with the other man who was fined? Did you see
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  Speaker 4: what occurred there? Or do you know the details?
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  Speaker 11: The irony is everyone asked me if I got arrested,
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  Speaker 11: and I wasn't arrested. I was detained, and I didn't
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  Speaker 11: realize there was another person about an hour an hour
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  Speaker 11: and a half after me. I do know that person
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  Speaker 11: that happened to walk in that street and it was
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  Speaker 11: shocked to see in front of a synagogue a pro
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  Speaker 11: Palestinian or programas whatever you might want to label it protest,
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  Speaker 11: and he felt compelled to have an Israeli flag on
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  Speaker 11: just because this is our place of worship, the only
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  Speaker 11: place we would hope to feel safe. Yet we were,
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  Speaker 11: as you mentioned before, locked and it wasn't just we
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  Speaker 11: were locked there. At the end of the event, they
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  Speaker 11: had a bit of a discussion which exit should we
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  Speaker 11: use and only exit in groups of ten? God forbid,
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  Speaker 11: have a star of David ariyanakas we should flip the
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  Speaker 11: bags of the Technion University because we don't want to
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  Speaker 11: be recognized as Jews or Israeli. How terrible, absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: What a terrible way to have to behave in your
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  Speaker 4: own city. I feel fear and thanks so much for
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  Speaker 4: joining us. I appreciate it. A fear bream bound there.
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  Speaker 4: You saw how he was treated by the New South
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  Speaker 4: Wales police last night. You saw how they treated the protesters.
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  Speaker 4: Confusion from the police about whether that was authorized or not.
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  Speaker 4: We'll try and get some clarification from them yet again,
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  Speaker 4: Now for Anthony Alberizi's wake up call on anti Semitism
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  Speaker 4: and the Middle East. Mike Kelly is the former Labor
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  Speaker 4: Minister for Defense Material and he was a colonel in
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  Speaker 4: the Australian Army serving in Bosnia, East tmor and Iraq.
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  Speaker 3: He left Parliament in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 4: But is now the convener or co convener of Labor
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  Speaker 4: Friends of Israel. In short, he speaks with authority on
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  Speaker 4: labor politics and foreign affairs, and today he issued a
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  Speaker 4: stern warning for the Prime Minister to reset his moral
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  Speaker 4: compass on Israel. Kelly says labor has rewarded the terrorists
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  Speaker 4: in the Middle East and jeopardized our national security.
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  Speaker 3: Mike Kelly, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: Are you frustrated, disappointed, angry about the Albanezi Labor government's
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  Speaker 4: approach to Israel.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I think all of us who are involved with
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  Speaker 13: Labor Friends of Israel have been very disappointed and frustrated,
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  Speaker 13: and it's been like watching the death of a thousand
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  Speaker 13: cuts as we watch our diplomatic credibility, our leverage just
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  Speaker 13: dissolve in front of our eyes. And frankly, you know,
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  Speaker 13: this latest support for you and resolution, it really just
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  Speaker 13: indicates too that the message hasn't gotten across that the
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  Speaker 13: government is putting at risk our national security here and
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  Speaker 13: our social cohesion because it appears as if they're rewarding
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  Speaker 13: every new escalated act of violence out there by those
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  Speaker 13: activists who are committed to that course of action, and
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  Speaker 13: so every time that they're rewarded for those courses of action,
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  Speaker 13: they're just emboldened to take it further and achieve the
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  Speaker 13: next step in their ambitions. And we've just seen that
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  Speaker 13: recently with the instance in Sydney of those terrible vandalism
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  Speaker 13: and violence, and at the same time, coinciding with that,
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  Speaker 13: the denial of a visa to al At Shakerd. So
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  Speaker 13: you know, we'd really call and urge the government to.
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  Speaker 1: Consider out the impact.
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  Speaker 13: This is having in our national security concerns domestically.
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  Speaker 4: That's a hell of a charge coming from you, a
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  Speaker 4: former Labor front bencher, a labor man, saying that this
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  Speaker 4: labor government has actively rewarded terrorism and in doing so
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  Speaker 4: is encouraging more extremism.
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  Speaker 13: Absolutely, and really the approach that we need to be
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  Speaker 13: taking right now is confronting the disintegration of the United
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  Speaker 13: Nations as a relevant institution because basically what we're seeing,
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  Speaker 13: and there have been detailed studies on the fact that
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  Speaker 13: democracy is on the back foot right now internationally, and
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  Speaker 13: seventy one percent of the world's population live under autocracies.
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  Speaker 13: There's only thirteen percent of it left living in what
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  Speaker 13: we would call democracies, and that's being reflected in the
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  Speaker 13: erosion of U.
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  Speaker 1: N institutions.
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  Speaker 13: And unless we stand against that, we will be saying
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  Speaker 13: goodbye to the usefulness, the relevance, the importance of the
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  Speaker 13: United Nations in any of these international security or peace
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  Speaker 13: issues that we face. And that's being underpinned too by
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  Speaker 13: the really virulent information warfare that's being waged in particulable
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  Speaker 13: what I call the rectangle of rat bags in Russia, Iran, China,
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  Speaker 13: and North Korea, whose principal goal in this information warfare
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  Speaker 13: is the corrosion of liberal democracies.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what I would.
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  Speaker 13: Say is, well, why don't you take the approach of saying, well,
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  Speaker 13: we're not going to take any further steps in this,
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  Speaker 13: We're not going to enter into any further discussions on
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  Speaker 13: statehood unless the hostages are released, unless Iran and its
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  Speaker 13: galaxy of proxies in their war of aggression, which is
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  Speaker 13: the key war crime that's been committed here, and renounce violence.
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  Speaker 13: Unless we say, hey, how about you get your Palestinian
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  Speaker 13: state when you meet a whole list of very important
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  Speaker 13: criteria that a liberal democracy would want to see in place.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: That's such an important point, Mike. Sorry, I thought you
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: were finished there. Sorry to cut you off.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Such an important.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Point that the freeing of the hostages, the release of
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: the hostage should be the first precondition to any other
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: steps in this That's the morally clear and the strategically
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: obvious point.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: But so many in the world seem to ignore that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: You talk about these bad actors operating through the United Nations.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Of course, in the latest votes, Australia has thrown its
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: lot in with them and dozens of other countries in
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: the United Nations. Where As you say, the non democratic
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: countries get the equal vote to a democratic nation like Australia.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: In doing this in these latest votes in the UN,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: has the Albaneze Labor government abandoned Israel?
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: Well there, then this is shocking when you think of
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: all of the history of Israel and Australia's relationship of
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: shoulder to shoulder confrontation against fascism, tyranny, terrorism, and the
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: fact that Australian lives have been saved by the sharing
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: of intelligence by Israel. There was an incident in just
• 21:57
  Speaker 13: recent years where we would have lost an airliner hadn't
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: been for the assistance of Israeli intelligence. They have been
• 22:04
  Speaker 13: with us shoulder to shoulder in the First and Second
• 22:07
  Speaker 13: World War, our diggers serving alongside them, and this is
• 22:11
  Speaker 13: the way we're rewarding them at the moment when they
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: face this existential threat by this war.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Of annihilation that Hamas.
• 22:19
  Speaker 13: Has Balada, huts Iran and their elements in Syria and
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: Iraq have been waging, and that is their ultimate goal.
• 22:27
  Speaker 13: And what are we saying at this time, Oh, we're
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: not going to help them defend themselves against that threat.
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: We're not going to recognize the daily inundation of rockets,
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: ballistic missiles, drones on a massive scale, and the hostage
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: taking of two hundred and fifty citizens, the brutalization of them,
• 22:49
  Speaker 13: the horrendous, sadistic activities they conducted in their invasion on
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: the seventh of October. What are we doing here in
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: taking sides with the Russia, China and North Korea. That's
• 23:02
  Speaker 13: not in our national interests and it's not the right
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: thing to do now.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: The Opposition, former Opposition front bencher now backbencher Julian Lisa
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: singled out two Cabinet ministers last night on My program.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: He singled out Richard Marles, the Deputy Prime Minister, presumably
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: because he's a leading figure of the Labor right, and
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: also Mark Dreyfus, the Attorney General, because he's a Jewish Australian.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: He said that if they don't agree with these moves,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: they should be resigning from cabinet.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Here's Julian Lisa.
• 23:34
  Speaker 14: At what point does Mark Dreyfus and Richard Marles say enough,
• 23:39
  Speaker 14: we cannot.
• 23:40
  Speaker 12: Stand by and let this happen.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: We need to resign on a point of principle because
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: if they don't, they will show themselves to be the
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: cowardly lions of Australian politics.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Mike Kelly is Julian Lisa right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Julian stands on very high moral ground.
• 23:56
  Speaker 13: After all, he did stand down as a shadow Attorney
• 23:59
  Speaker 13: General in relation to the voice debate that we were
• 24:03
  Speaker 13: having last year. So you know, he's demonstrated he's a
• 24:08
  Speaker 13: man of principle. And look, you know, I think all
• 24:11
  Speaker 13: of those labor colleagues of mine need to examine their
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: consciences on this. And you know we're losing voices in
• 24:17
  Speaker 13: the caucus at the moment. Bill Shorten's stepping down now,
• 24:21
  Speaker 13: and he was a great voice of reason and common
• 24:24
  Speaker 13: sense in that mix, and so I'm wondering where you
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: know that voice is going to come from from here.
• 24:31
  Speaker 13: And what really concerns me too is that these people
• 24:36
  Speaker 13: who are sitting around the table in the Cabinet at
• 24:37
  Speaker 13: the moment, I think they've lost touch with the broader
• 24:40
  Speaker 13: Australian community and it will pay them back in spades
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: electorally if they continue to stay out of touch. And
• 24:47
  Speaker 13: I look at the electoral result in Queensland and what's
• 24:50
  Speaker 13: been going on around the world, and there's a great
• 24:53
  Speaker 13: sort of iceberg of citizen concern that doesn't get out
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: in the streets and commit vandalism or attack people. The Hindus,
• 25:02
  Speaker 13: the Sikhs, the Buddhists, the Ties, the Filipinas, the civic Islanders, Persians,
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: traditional Australians, all deeply concerned about the state of our
• 25:13
  Speaker 13: internal social cohesion and national security with the way these
• 25:17
  Speaker 13: people have been behaving, desecrating our war memorials, attacking MP's officers,
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: and so unless they understand that concern, and of course
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: the key concern of cost of living pressures, these are
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: the things that Australians care about, and to be so
• 25:34
  Speaker 13: fascinated and wrapped up in boutique factional concerns of positions
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: people have held or know, whether they wear.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: A kafir or not.
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: You know, this is not what the Australian public wants
• 25:45
  Speaker 13: to see. They want to see this government being sensible,
• 25:49
  Speaker 13: governing for our security, governing for the promotion of an
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: international rules based order. And what's happening right now is
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: we're seeing abandonment of those principles.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Is Anthony Albanesi abandoning.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Those principles in pursuit of Muslim and Greens votes?
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: Look, I think it's a bit of a myth about
• 26:11
  Speaker 13: this Western Sydney thing. I mean, you know, where would
• 26:14
  Speaker 13: the Muslim vote go? They're going to vote for the coalition?
• 26:17
  Speaker 13: You know, is there any significant Greens vote there to
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: sort of coalesce with around preference steals? So the lesson
• 26:25
  Speaker 13: is understand where the community is on this and then
• 26:30
  Speaker 13: reset your moral compass, reset your policy and let's be
• 26:34
  Speaker 13: clear about our potential offering for a future Australia as
• 26:40
  Speaker 13: we go forward to the next election. Otherwise I think
• 26:43
  Speaker 13: they're going to be heading for a big problem.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Why then, do you think Anthony Albanesi has been so
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: weak on this issue and.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: What does he need to do.
• 26:53
  Speaker 13: I think there's a lot of division in the caucus
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: right now, and there'd be no clear voices pointing out
• 27:01
  Speaker 13: policy options and political realities. The judgment is fading there
• 27:07
  Speaker 13: on that sort of thing. So you know it's going
• 27:10
  Speaker 13: to be difficult for any leader to be in that situation,
• 27:13
  Speaker 13: to deal with a kind of a divide.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Like that internally. But that's what leadership's all about.
• 27:19
  Speaker 13: You know, you've got to stand up and point the
• 27:21
  Speaker 13: way for your team. You know he won't be well
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: regarded if he's led us to a first term defeat,
• 27:29
  Speaker 13: and so you know, you to stand up and work
• 27:31
  Speaker 13: out what your priorities are in terms of your political agenda,
• 27:36
  Speaker 13: but also what your legacy is going to be going forward,
• 27:39
  Speaker 13: So you know, what are you here for. I remember
• 27:42
  Speaker 13: when I first went into Parliament, I said, look at
• 27:44
  Speaker 13: the end of this thing, I just want to be
• 27:45
  Speaker 13: able to pass the shaving mirror tests before everything else.
• 27:49
  Speaker 13: And in a community with a lot of diverse attitudes,
• 27:53
  Speaker 13: it was just easy for me to pick what I
• 27:54
  Speaker 13: thought was the right thing to do, go out and
• 27:56
  Speaker 13: argue it because you weren't going to make everyone happy.
• 27:59
  Speaker 13: But at least they listen to you, and they might
• 28:02
  Speaker 13: give you points for standing up for something. So I'd
• 28:05
  Speaker 13: say to Albo, look, mate, reset your moral compass, stand
• 28:09
  Speaker 13: up for something here the community.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Will reward you for that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Mike Kelly, thanks so much for joining us.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Nowhere is Chris. Thanks peeps.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is very good advice for the Prime minister.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: Reset your moral compass, stand up for something. The community
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: will respect that. Wise words there from Mike Kelly. But
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: will the Prime minister listen? You show no signs of
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: understanding that point. So far, we'll go to a.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Break on the other side of it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: We'll catch up with the Coalition and talk about how
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: these regional communities are now being given a clear choice
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: over massive.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Renewable energy projects.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Now, as you know, I've been saying for many, many
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: months that the Anthony Albanezi Labor government is in dire
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: straits and the Coalition was providing an adequate point of difference.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: And they're very very much in this election race.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: While the current polling tends to suggest you get a
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: hung parliament the way things are trending, I've always said
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: winning government is on the cards is a possibility. I'm
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: not predicting it, but is a possibility for the Coalition
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: under Peter Dutton. Have a look at this on the
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: news limited tabloids at the moment. The breaking news is
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: on the front of the Herald Sun, on the Daily Telegraph,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Curier Mail and the Advertiser, the Mercury right across the country.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: New polling analysis.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Says that the Coalition is looking well placed now to
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: possibly get a majority of seats House a long way
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: ago away, a lot to see, but it's now being
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: seen by the analysts and the posters as a possibility
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: actually winning majority government.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And New South Wales is one of the states that's going.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: To be key there and they're looking good in seats,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: including in areas where major renewable energy projects have been proposed,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: such as around the Port Stephens area of New South
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Wales just north of Newcastle. Peter Dutton was there today
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: and he promised to scrap a major offshore wind project.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Have a listen.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: If there is a change of government at the next election,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: then we can give it assurance to this local community
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: that this project will not proceed, the zone will not proceed,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: and we will make sure that the environment and the
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: local community comes first.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: The clear choice there for voters in the Hunter region,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: with a couple of seats there that could change hands.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Let's go to Anne Webster, Nationals MP from Victoria join
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: him in Live for Maryborough.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, and you wouldn't.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Have had a chance to get across this latest polling
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: and you don't want to talk about poles anyway, But
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: it's interesting that analysis shows now that you know it's
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: not too much for the Coalition to aim for victory,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: that if you pick off seats here there and everywhere
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: around the country, particularly if you can knock over a
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: tier MP or two, it's not beyond your reach.
• 30:55
  Speaker 15: Oh look, you're singing my song.
• 30:57
  Speaker 16: I'm totally with you on that and I think the
• 31:00
  Speaker 16: Coalition as MPs and senators, we are fighting very hard
• 31:04
  Speaker 16: for our.
• 31:05
  Speaker 15: Communities and you're right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: I mean beautiful Maryborough in my electorate South in my
• 31:10
  Speaker 16: electorate today and it reminds me standing right next to
• 31:15
  Speaker 16: the Maryborough Heritage Railway that we will not be railroading
• 31:20
  Speaker 16: regional communities with radical renewable programs. What is happening in
• 31:26
  Speaker 16: my electorate is an absolute crime. And I'm talking today
• 31:30
  Speaker 16: with lots of people from Swan Hill all the way
• 31:33
  Speaker 16: down and I can tell you what labor is on
• 31:36
  Speaker 16: the nose.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Well, this is why I think energy is such a
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: big issue in the campaign.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I've been talking about this for.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Years, actually for more than a decade, but the nuclear
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: option that's put there now by the coalition is so
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: important because not only is that about reliable energy, it's.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Also about energy that we know can work.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: The renewables thing is an experiment, no other countries tried it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: It's also about affordability. Well, nuclear will be expensive. We
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: know the cost. Where's renewables. It just keeps getting worse
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: and worse. And there's this aspect we're focusing on today
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: where communities right around the country Queensland, all the way
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: around the coast to South Australia are arcing up about
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: renewable projects and you don't need as many of those
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: if you've got dense nuclear generators around the country as well.
• 32:24
  Speaker 15: Absolutely.
• 32:25
  Speaker 16: I was on farms down Nears and Arnod this afternoon
• 32:29
  Speaker 16: and talking with farmers, you know, on their harvesters doing
• 32:32
  Speaker 16: their job. And he got off the harvester, this particular farmer, Barry,
• 32:37
  Speaker 16: and he pointed to the wind turbines and where the
• 32:40
  Speaker 16: V and I West is going, and that they as
• 32:42
  Speaker 16: a community are absolutely intent on stopping it. And you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 16: I was really pleased to see that Peter Dutton has
• 32:51
  Speaker 16: come out and rescinded the Port Stephens promise of the
• 32:56
  Speaker 16: wind farms. And you know, in our regional community, it
• 33:00
  Speaker 16: is our number one job is agriculture and horticulture and tourism.
• 33:05
  Speaker 16: And I can tell you right now the V and
• 33:08
  Speaker 16: I West and the WRL, all these massive transmission lines
• 33:12
  Speaker 16: do not beautify our regional communities.
• 33:16
  Speaker 15: And people move out here because.
• 33:18
  Speaker 16: It is so beautiful and they start up their arms,
• 33:21
  Speaker 16: and you know, there's so much going on here that
• 33:24
  Speaker 16: is beautiful and amazing, and this renewable railroading is beyond
• 33:32
  Speaker 16: ugly and it's dividing communities as I've talked to you
• 33:35
  Speaker 16: about before, Chris.
• 33:37
  Speaker 15: And yeah, I'm really worried about the future.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the transmission lines are a hell of the thing,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: twenty eight thousand kilometers of them.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I've got to talk to you another time.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Are ount of time, I'm afraid, And I want to
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: talk to you about Mount of ripple Le's like Ooolaroo
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: and Mount Warning, these places would not let a climb anymore.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: We'll have to fight back against that. But I'll catch
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: up with you another time.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us and Webster their nationals MP from Victoria.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: We've got to get to a break now, and after
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: the break, I want to talk about some global issues.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Alexander Downer joins me. What's going on in South Korea
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: and in France.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: It's all pretty shambolic, well, with martial law and political
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: upheaval in South Korea, a prime minister gone, and more
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: political machinations to come in France.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: There's been plenty happening in global affairs.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: In the US, Donald Trump's been facing hiccups assembling his team,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: with question marks re emerging now over his Defense Secretary choice.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Pete Hexath.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: I asked former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer whether this was
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: a major dilemma or some of the usual touring and
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: throwing over a new administration.
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: I think two things about it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 14: First of all, it's normal tooing and throwing that you
• 34:45
  Speaker 14: would expect. He has to get the Republican Senators to
• 34:51
  Speaker 14: feel comfortable with his nominations. But secondly, I would say
• 34:56
  Speaker 14: more generally, he's much better organized than he was in
• 34:59
  Speaker 14: twenty sixteen. I mean, at this early stage and it's
• 35:03
  Speaker 14: more than a month until he assumes the role of president,
• 35:07
  Speaker 14: he is lining up quite a long team of people
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: and they reflect very much his priorities. I mean, these
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: people are largely loyalists, and that's what you'd expect. I mean,
• 35:20
  Speaker 14: people who voted for him don't want to have people
• 35:23
  Speaker 14: who are trimmers who start winding back his agenda. They
• 35:27
  Speaker 14: want him to deliver on his agenda. So he's had
• 35:31
  Speaker 14: one or two problems and that's inevitable. But I think
• 35:36
  Speaker 14: what he's showing is a complete determination to deliver on
• 35:41
  Speaker 14: what he promised he would deliver during the election campaign.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: All right, will keep an eye on that. I'm pretty
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: keen to get your analysis on two countries that are
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: significant and usually stable countries, both good friends of Australia
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: is and important to Australia in different ways, but both
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: facing dramatic political upheaval at the moment. First off, let's
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: talk about South Korea and the imposition of martial law
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: there for a period. What's going on there and what
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: can we expect to unfold?
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: Alexander So the president at a parliamentary election, legislative election,
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: lost control of the parliament, and he's obviously become frustrated
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: as a result of that. But by declaring martial law,
• 36:27
  Speaker 14: he's done what politicians occasionally do, which is just go
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: one step too far. And I think he will be
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: I mean, he's reversed the decision within hours, within something
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: like six hours, he reversed the decision. But I don't
• 36:44
  Speaker 14: think he will survive this. I think his own party,
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: which is the Conservative party there in Korea, will join
• 36:52
  Speaker 14: with the soft left, the Democratic Party and ensure that
• 36:57
  Speaker 14: he steps down. I think declared martial law was just
• 37:01
  Speaker 14: a step to for anybody who believes in liberal democracy.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, his judgments has got to be questioned for sure.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: It is a volatile part of the world, of course,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: with the border with the North Korea, and there have
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: been references to North Korea in these exchanges. But there's
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: no imminent threat to security in South Korea, is there?
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: No, There's not no.
• 37:25
  Speaker 14: I mean the president he has been claiming that the
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: opposition was somehow operating hand in glove with the North Koreans. Frankly,
• 37:34
  Speaker 14: that's completely absurd. They may not like him as a president,
• 37:39
  Speaker 14: they may be more left of center, they may want
• 37:42
  Speaker 14: to do deals with North Korea, which the left in
• 37:46
  Speaker 14: South Korea mainly do want to do, whereas the president,
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: coming from the conservative side of politics, is much more
• 37:54
  Speaker 14: hardline towards North Korea. But the opposition are certainly not
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: in the hands of the North Koreans, there's no question
• 38:02
  Speaker 14: of that. It's an absurd allegation to make. So look,
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: in the end, I think you'll have to resign.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: We will watch and see a very important trading partner
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: of Australias is South Korea. Let's go to Europe though,
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: and talk about France again. Political upheaval, no martial law thankfully,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: but quite a bit of up eval there.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: And is this being driven by economic factors?
• 38:30
  Speaker 14: So this goes back to June when President Macron suddenly
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: dissolved the parliament. There were parliamentary elections and nobody won them.
• 38:41
  Speaker 14: So it's a hung parliament. But the left and which
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: is quite far left, and the right being Marine Le
• 38:51
  Speaker 14: Penn and her party, you know, they have the line's
• 38:55
  Speaker 14: share of the seats, whereas the Centrists, which is Macron's team,
• 39:01
  Speaker 14: they don't have a majority. So they did have a
• 39:04
  Speaker 14: majority before the election. So what has happened is that
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: France has run up huge debts, massive budget deficit, government
• 39:16
  Speaker 14: debt well over one hundred percent of GDP, and the
• 39:20
  Speaker 14: government is beholden to the markets. I mean, they just
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: have to get their debt back under control, and they're
• 39:29
  Speaker 14: deficit back under control. So the Michelle Bunnier was the
• 39:35
  Speaker 14: prime minister, he tried to get a budget through the parliament,
• 39:39
  Speaker 14: has failed to do so. The President will have to
• 39:42
  Speaker 14: appoint another prime minister. But whoever he appoints, as Michelle
• 39:48
  Speaker 14: Bunnier made clear to the Parliament today, whoever he appoints
• 39:53
  Speaker 14: has to get the legislation that is, the budget through
• 39:57
  Speaker 14: the parliament somehow. See how that's going to happen. And
• 40:02
  Speaker 14: to make matters worse, under France's constitution, they can't have
• 40:06
  Speaker 14: an election until the middle of next year. So this
• 40:11
  Speaker 14: is just an excruciating.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Deadlock winding back our government.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Spending is never easy, always creates political problems and as
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: you say, that'll take a while to play out there.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: It's all making our politics look rather pedestrian. But then
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: I think we may have that reckoning yet to come.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Alexander, I appreciate it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: It's a pleasure.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Chris Okay, coming up after the break, Tim Blair and
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Mark Nicholson to make sense of it all, and Sleepy
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Joe has been living up to his names. Okay, let's
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: catch up with Tim Blair from the tal Daily Telegraph
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: joining us from Victoria's Wimmera and Mark.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Nicholson from Step Mate Studio is joining us from Melbourne.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Great to speak to both of you.
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  Speaker 4: Start the conversation in Melbourne today because we learned that
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: a lavish event that Anthony Alvins he put on in
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Melbourne at the National Gallery there for asy and delegates.
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  Speaker 3: Man he doled out some of our money on that
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  Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars on flowers.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't realize everything was that expensive in Melbourne market.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: And also forty four thousand dollars for Jessica Maulboy to
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: sing it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: She said it was a great honor to represent her country.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: We wouldn't you do it for free? Then?
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: Exactly made no. I couldn't believe this.
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  Speaker 17: It's taken nine months for us to see the receipts
• 41:35
  Speaker 17: on this, which is absolutely absurd. I think he must
• 41:39
  Speaker 17: have seen Kevin Rudd's Pride party when he threw that
• 41:41
  Speaker 17: and wasted all that tax button and pay money and said,
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  Speaker 17: hold my b wait to you see what I've got
• 41:46
  Speaker 17: in store. Make you see some of those flowers like
• 41:48
  Speaker 17: they were literally engulfed by flowers, and malboy getting forty
• 41:52
  Speaker 17: four grand. I reckon us boys should throw our hat
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  Speaker 17: in the ring. We can hold a tune.
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  Speaker 12: We'll do it for forty save the tax payer some.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Cash reco it. They'll pay us forty four grand to
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: stay away.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: But it's an amazing, amazingly lavish event, you know, twenty
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars on flowers. Tim when when you compare it
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: to Anthony Albanez, he's upbringing because I don't know whether
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: you've heard of this before, but he actually grew up
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: in social housing.
• 42:18
  Speaker 18: Really, I'll take that on advice. I'll look it up
• 42:23
  Speaker 18: later on. They might be something about Wikipedia. I haven't
• 42:25
  Speaker 18: heard it myself. But what annoys me about moments like
• 42:28
  Speaker 18: this is that you'll have people defending labor and saying
• 42:32
  Speaker 18: only twenty thousand dollars. It's only forty four thousand. You know,
• 42:35
  Speaker 18: we're not talking about millions. That's the whole point. You know,
• 42:38
  Speaker 18: if we think that those sums are only, we think
• 42:41
  Speaker 18: that there's minor we think that they're tiny amounts. Normal
• 42:45
  Speaker 18: people don't think that way. Twenty grand, forty four grand,
• 42:47
  Speaker 18: we think those are important amounts of money. They'll break
• 42:50
  Speaker 18: an annual budget for a family.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Of three or four.
• 42:53
  Speaker 18: So when governments or the defenders of government say it's
• 42:56
  Speaker 18: only twenty or forty four grand, no, not copy it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose it's all relative, isn't it. The labor
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: ministers will be thinking, O, twenty grand, that's kind of
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: we've jacked up. We've increased the electricity prices on your.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Street by that much already. Let's stay at Melbourne, Tim,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I'm keen to get your thoughts on this.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: With a primary school actually had a Chris Kringle event.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Everyone's going to give a Christmas present to people, except
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: they said, don't make any presents Christmas themes. You don't
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: want to offend any kid who's not a Christian. But
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: they've changed it is the Elthhemeese Primary Coals setting the
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: letter of the families now that there was no food
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: or Christmas themed items were to be given as gifts
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: for this year's Secret Center among the five and six
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: year students, but the rules emphasized in red text to make.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: For but they've abandoned this day.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: You can actually give a Christmas present at Christmas at
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: this school.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: These kids must be confused.
• 43:51
  Speaker 18: It does show great flexibility of approach from the is
• 43:56
  Speaker 18: involved that they are now prepared to accept some sort
• 43:59
  Speaker 18: of Christmas lee offering at Christmas time. So all credit
• 44:04
  Speaker 18: to them there, But you're right, the children must be
• 44:06
  Speaker 18: incredibly bewildered. And then then you've got, of course, you
• 44:08
  Speaker 18: know the red lettering, there's a bit of center there
• 44:10
  Speaker 18: straight away, so everything is Christmas.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: He except the actual gift. Yeah, you can't do that,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: it's absurd.
• 44:16
  Speaker 18: And also there's been this theme for decades now and
• 44:19
  Speaker 18: then in you know, I guess elite Western circles that
• 44:23
  Speaker 18: Christianity is somehow frightening.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: No, no, it's not even Presbyterians.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: You can celebrate on any other religion, but not Christianity. Apparently.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: It'd be one of those times.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Mark what a big handy if you had a leftover
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Easter egg you could put that in the present, just
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: confuse everyone, just.
• 44:41
  Speaker 12: To really throw a spanner in the work. I'm just
• 44:43
  Speaker 12: I'll tell you what. I'm really proud of the parents. Here.
• 44:46
  Speaker 17: A couple of Christmases ago, you wouldn't have seen this
• 44:48
  Speaker 17: sort of rally against an email that they got.
• 44:51
  Speaker 12: I'm just so proud.
• 44:52
  Speaker 17: It just shows it's Trump's miss works out, it wokes out,
• 44:55
  Speaker 17: It's and Trump's in.
• 44:57
  Speaker 12: This is what's happening.
• 44:57
  Speaker 17: So I'm really proud of them throwing the keep fighting
• 45:01
  Speaker 17: back against that principal grinch, the humbug. M'd be dressing
• 45:05
  Speaker 17: the kids up as Santa Elvis smissus clause, throwing tinsel
• 45:08
  Speaker 17: around to my own when they're there.
• 45:09
  Speaker 12: They should be celebrating. Christmas is not canceled.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Christmas put the Christmas back into Christmas. Unbelievable. Now, I
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: want to go to mention you mentioned Trump.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I want to go to the team he's trying to
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: assemble because the former Fox News commentator and an Army
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: veteran Pete to Hegseth is in streif you know he's
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: been married, there were sexual assault chargers leveled at him.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: They will never pursued. He denies them. But I'll tell
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: you what he's up been up a bitst a pretty
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: difficult hurdle, and all of that in the last twenty
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: four hours because someone's unearthed an email from his mum,
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: his own mum back in twenty eighteen, who said on
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: behalf of all the women, and I know it's many
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: that you've abused in some way.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I say, get some help and take an honest look
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: at yourself. That is a blow to the soul of
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Plexus Mark.
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: It's not good, mate. And I think with.
• 46:02
  Speaker 17: Such a strong victory, this is a real mandate to
• 46:04
  Speaker 17: let the man fill the cabinet up with what he wants.
• 46:06
  Speaker 12: This is all just bizarre attacks.
• 46:09
  Speaker 17: We all know he's a Fox DearS commentator and presenter
• 46:11
  Speaker 17: as well, so this is just a weird way to
• 46:14
  Speaker 17: sum merge him. I think, let the man govern, let
• 46:16
  Speaker 17: him get in there, let him build his cabinet. Let's
• 46:18
  Speaker 17: get in there. As we were talking about before with
• 46:20
  Speaker 17: this whole Flowers debacle, doge or what Elon Musk is
• 46:24
  Speaker 17: trying to do as part of that, that would have
• 46:26
  Speaker 17: been perfect full transparency.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: This is great.
• 46:29
  Speaker 17: This is why they're scared. They're absolutely flattering and they're
• 46:31
  Speaker 17: looking at anything to try and destroy them. But yeah,
• 46:34
  Speaker 17: this is sad. Fat I do mention that. I do
• 46:36
  Speaker 17: mention it because hex Seth there's a lot of talk
• 46:38
  Speaker 17: that he may have to withdraw. I should point out
• 46:41
  Speaker 17: that his mother has come out and spoken and that
• 46:43
  Speaker 17: she retracts all that now that she apologizes for that,
• 46:46
  Speaker 17: says she got it wrong.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: But let's have a look at what the big man.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: The big guy's doing in Africa. Left him there yesterday
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: and they're talking about a major train project underway there today.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: He said, don't worry, he'll be back to ride it.
• 47:02
  Speaker 19: Have a listen, mister President, I'm coming back to ride
• 47:06
  Speaker 19: on the train all the way from and to end.
• 47:12
  Speaker 19: I as I say, when we're in the Senate floor unit,
• 47:17
  Speaker 19: I say, Senator, excuse a point of personal privilege. I've
• 47:20
  Speaker 19: ridden an awful lot on trains. I commute every day
• 47:25
  Speaker 19: two hundred and twelve miles a day on Amtrak from
• 47:29
  Speaker 19: Washington to my hometown in Wilmington, Delaware as a senator,
• 47:33
  Speaker 19: and so I like trains.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Well, he loves trains. Tim I don't know whether he's
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: going to make good on that promise.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be expecting him to be back there in
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: five years riding on that train.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: It's the miracle train. It roads forever.
• 47:49
  Speaker 18: But yeah, he's he's not even as sharp as he
• 47:54
  Speaker 18: was during the debate that costume his shot at the reelection.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Is he he's really really sinking. But he is right.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: He does love trade.
• 48:01
  Speaker 18: He's been talking to you know, he's not known as
• 48:03
  Speaker 18: Chew Chew Joe for nothing. And but just back to
• 48:06
  Speaker 18: back to the heass issue, just very quickly, why aren't
• 48:09
  Speaker 18: we using the same standard as Joe's son, Hunter as
• 48:11
  Speaker 18: a as an exemplar of decency and so very good.
• 48:15
  Speaker 18: But why are people saying, well, you know, if Hunt's cool,
• 48:18
  Speaker 18: well you've got to be okay with Pete because he's
• 48:20
  Speaker 18: nowhere near as bad as that.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Exactly exactly a full pardon for Pete, it wouldn't be
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: nearly as difficult. Let's go back to Joe Biden, because
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: I want to give you an update as to what's
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: happening in Africa.
• 48:31
  Speaker 20: Here's the latest from Joe. But there he is, there,
• 48:39
  Speaker 20: he is, the speaker is still going on.
• 48:42
  Speaker 12: In trade trade.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: You have sympathy for the speaker here who's for the
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: first time in their life being able to speak directly
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: to the leader of the free worlds and.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Not knowing that he's just nodding off through the whole thing.
• 49:00
  Speaker 17: Were not this man, you know, we've got forty six
• 49:03
  Speaker 17: more days of Joe Biden's, which I think he is
• 49:06
  Speaker 17: if you're counting five hundred more sleeps for Joe, which
• 49:11
  Speaker 17: is all we've got.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: They've got himself leaving next.
• 49:15
  Speaker 18: I basically live in Sydney's King's Cross and during the
• 49:18
  Speaker 18: Heroin years, and you used to see people like that
• 49:20
  Speaker 18: who were able to walk at the same time. Can't
• 49:23
  Speaker 18: even manage even managed to murder money, let any sort
• 49:28
  Speaker 18: of any sort of conscious awareness.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: We've only got thirty seconds on a squeeze in a
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: world exclusive. Mark the cartoon, the please explain cartoons. You're
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: going movie length, the feature film, Please explain, Pauline Hansen
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: the movie.
• 49:42
  Speaker 12: Hey, we're going feature film. Boys, it's happening.
• 49:46
  Speaker 17: It's we're rolling out the orange carpet next year, twenty
• 49:49
  Speaker 17: twenty five, full feature film, cinematic release.
• 49:51
  Speaker 12: No one's going to stop us. We're coming. Satire never sleeps.
• 49:55
  Speaker 12: Let's go.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I can't wait. Are you going to get it out
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: before the election?
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: Hm?
• 50:01
  Speaker 12: The election?
• 50:02
  Speaker 14: Was that?
• 50:02
  Speaker 12: What does he say?
• 50:03
  Speaker 17: January to April a little bit longer than that, But
• 50:07
  Speaker 17: it's going to be huge.
• 50:08
  Speaker 12: Were looking forward to it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Great stuff, Mark, great stuff, Tim, We'll catch you next week.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: It is six o'clock, it's time to go to Peter
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Quedlin's program, hosted for you tonight by Steve Price.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: I'll see you next week.