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Key takeaways from the 2024 Science of Skincare Summit · The Science of Skin

• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Dr.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: Patty Ferris, and I'm co-host of Skincare Confidential.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Dr.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: Ted Lane.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: I am Patty's other host of Skincare Confidential.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: This is a podcast supporting the Science of Skincare Summit, an educational event that occurs in Austin.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, we just had our 2024 event, which is what we're going to talk about today.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: But 2025 is already scheduled for November, not November.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: September.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what 2024 was.
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  SPEAKER_00: September 5th through the 7th in Austin at the Fairmont Hotel.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: So we are proud to uh announce that, Patty, right?
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we really are.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: We're super excited.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Fairmont Hotel was fantastic.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: The facility was great.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had so many healthcare providers and wonderful manufacturers represented.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: It really was just incredible.
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  SPEAKER_01: For anybody who's interested in skincare, it's definitely a meeting to put on your list for sure.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to talk about some cool stuff that we had at this year's summit.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think we have to start, Ted, with uh Friday morning kind of a session that came to us a little bit late in the game, but turned out to be a huge win.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that was our dermfluencer session.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we had some really great social media influencers who are also amazing dermatologists.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: So we had Dustin Portella, who was one of the main moderators of the of the session.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess the we should back up and just say, look, the the goal of this educational session was to teach people who are interested in becoming social media influencers, putting out the correct kind of information so that people are can trust them and understand more about skincare.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: These were aestheticians, mid-levels, dermatologists who came to learn from the very best.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: And thank you to our sponsor event for that because you know it was it was really their vision initially.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: They came to us and and we just helped to make that maybe bigger than they thought it was going to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we were all kind of surprised.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it was bigger than we thought it was going to be, too.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of interest.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the the really the key takeaway was the importance of the derm fluencers.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they went through nuts and bolts of how to create content and how to, you know, position dermatologists and dispel myths.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was just great.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think the real take-home message was der influencers are number one, they're here to stay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number two, they're necessary because we really do need to be the ones putting out skin care information and good information about medical and surgical dermatology and cosmetic dermatology as well.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: But it was it was very well received.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: That was a great session.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Lindsay Zubritsky, Dr.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: Zubritsky, and Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jenny Lew as well, who were uh on faculty and did just a tremendous job.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then we should also mention Mimi Banks, Mimi, who runs Mimi Banks Social and is really an expert in this area, got in it, I think, way before anybody realized how big it was going to be.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: So she's just a wealth of knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we'll be bringing that session back for sure next year.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you think Mimi will take me on as a client, Patty?
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: You and I would have to be in like the double over medial course.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know that.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: We are so bad.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's just not in our wheelhouse, Ted.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: We got to stay on the podium where we belong.
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  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Speaking of podium, right?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: We we transitioned from this incredible derm influencer session right into our first session of the day.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: And luckily we had a real industry insider and leader to kick us off.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Adam, Adam Richie Odong, which his name is really hard for me to say, but he's the head of RD for KenView globally, has his finger on the pulse.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: And he talked really kind of about three things that were trending in skincare.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the first was the pre-aging, like we're all seeing younger and younger patients, right, interested in skincare.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this pre-aging group is getting a lot of attention because they're really interested in preventing the things instead of or treating aging, they want to really prevent it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that whole notion of collagen banking and all of those things that that group is interested in.
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  SPEAKER_01: He also talked about der influencers and the importance of them with regards to industry and again dispelling myths and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then he talked about something kind of interesting at the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was called it sonification of skincare, where again, these same people who are interested in looking for multitasking products.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they're not just looking for something to make them look better, they're also looking for something that can prevent and protect.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: So it was it was a great talk.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he talked about how big the market's gonna be.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's I think he said 240 to 260 billion, like by 2029.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was just a monster number.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, these are the guys who are driving the bus.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are the these are the people who are making the decisions in what direction, strategic direction the industry goes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was a great talk.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that ties in, I'm just thinking the senification of skincare, that ties into what we're trying to do with the Durham Retail Alliance.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this is many of you may not have heard of this.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: This is an alliance that that L'Oreal helped to kick off and is still the primary sponsor of bringing in retailers such as Walgreens and CVS and Ulta and now you know Amazon was there as well, uh, and dermatologists together to try and improve and enhance the consumer education on skincare products to ensure that that consumers are choosing the right product for their condition or their concern.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: And and super excited that we're actually going to have an unbranded sun safety campaign that'll that'll launch soon.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's been a great initiative that you and I have both been a part of from the beginning.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's really exciting.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: We had some other great talks.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: This was kind of our practice management session.
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  SPEAKER_01: Doris Day gave a talk on branding.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Hard to recapitulate that, but she's built an incredible brand with her Dr.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: Radio and all of her social media presence.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I and she just gives a great talk, so everybody enjoyed that.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, who else was in that session?
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: Emily Ann Scalise, who is a wonderful yeah, she's just great.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: She's a great speaker.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: She talked about kind of how she rallies her troops in her office and how they get sales going.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it was really about the business of skincare.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then we had the top producers, people like Ruth Tadaldi and Vivian Bucai, um, Heather Willoughley Lloyd talking about how they do it, how they sell skincare.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: And the sort of common thread is always if you think it's important, then you're gonna be successful.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not really a sale, it's part of a comprehensive skincare program that, you know, if you're gonna rejuvenate the skin, you got to do it with skincare and procedures and neurotoxin and all those other things.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I just I love the flavor of that session.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Also, Heather Goodchild was on that panel with us who's from Color Science.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: And she's been in the, you know, sort of dispensing end and and also the retail end.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: So she had a lot of valuable insight as well.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: I've come to the realization through our conference, honestly, that uh you have to include skincare as part of your treatment regimen.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: And if you think about aging, photo aging as a as a disease, right, which is more and more how we're considering aging, something that can be prevented or treated, then skincare becomes part of your treatment arsenal.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: It does it is remember it wasn't that way.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, this is this is really a new sort of a new evolution, a new paradigm shift, I think.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: And and we had great sessions on medical dermatology and how important it is for acne and rosacea and eczema to for us to prescribe the right skin care.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: This is really all trending and I think becoming very interesting as practitioners start to realize the value of it as well.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and that kind of speaks to some of the longevity talks that we had.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: Again, speak you know, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Day gave a talk for us on Sunday where she really incorporated nutraceuticals for anti-aging purposes and and she gave very precise examples of what she recommends for her patients to uh enhance their their health span, to you know, elongate their health span, which will hopefully the skin span will reflect the health span as well.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I I think that that's something that we'll probably embellish on for 2025 is this idea of longevity and how it is reflected in skin care as well as whole body care.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: Agree.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe uh give a little recap on the regenerative session because that's was also so interesting.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: We we had five or six scientists come up and and each one gave a 15-minute lecture in our regenerative session where we started to to really focus on the hallmarks of aging, which of course is that seminal 2013 paper that was updated in 2021, I believe.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that that tarks that talks about those aspects of aging that that can be targeted by you know therapeutics and show that when you reverse them, they do help reverse when you apply the therapeutic, it helps reverse the aging process.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: And and now we're starting to think about those in terms of skincare, right?
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I guess the most common thing that people will have heard of is exosomes and how exosomes are are targeting the hallmarks of aging, although depending on the source of the exosome and and depending on which hallmark you're talking about, the the jury is still out.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: But there are others that I think we need to give more, uh we need to highlight more, such as SERTUANs.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you and I just spoke about Sirtuans and how they affect the hallmarks of aging and and rapamycin or or those that target mTOR will be others.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's the epigenome that is you know being targeted right now by some uh really prestigious and and mass market brands.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I think the regenerative idea in dermatology is going to continue to gain steam, both in the skincare space as well as in the medical space.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's something that we really need to pay attention to and and understand and start incorporating for our patients because this is what they want.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: This, you know, as you mentioned, pre-aging is all about the hallmarks of aging, really.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's about banking your collagen.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, banking your collagen, saving your telomeres, yeah.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: The whole the whole thing, you know, sort of in this same vein of the role of skin care in treating aging skin, say Won Kang from why am I blanking where he's the chair.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Hopkins, that's right.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, is uh I still think of him as a University of Michigan guy, he always will be to me.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, he's done such incredible work, and he gave great talk really about uh all all of his seminal work that he had done and how they really teased out what was going on with photoaging and how it was the extracellular matrix components that were degrading as a result of ultraviolet light and turning on of different pathways and transcription factors that we're all now well familiar with, but they did all that original work, such as AP1, increasing the matrix metalloproteases.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: And then he he talked again about, you know, using topicals and his role in treating um his work in treating retinoids, treating skin with retinoids.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: It was just a really fascinating talk.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: So again, it's so important the topicals that we use.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: They really are the frontline defense besides prevention.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're the front line we've got for treating aging skin at this point.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that we finally overcame the hurdle of people thinking about regenerative dermatology also as just kind of uh preventing aging versus what we are able to treat.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: And and indeed when you do apply regenerative tech techniques in skincare products, you're able to see some uh remediation of the of the photo aging as well as prevention of aging as well.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not like you are just focused on prevention with regenerative techniques, you're actually reversing what has already happened.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I think we showed that quite nicely from all these different companies.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: And and quite frankly, what I'm excited about is the ability to start moving away from retinoids, you know, moving away from the need for that three or four weeks of retinization, and now we have these incredible ingredients that some of which are agonists, just like retinoids are taking advantage of biological processes that are already in the skin.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: And some of the novel peptides, some of the interesting, you know, ingredients that have really shown to affect senescence and all kinds of hallmarks of aging.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: So interesting.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now we didn't we didn't forget the microbiome because remember Heather Willie Lloyd gave a really good talk on the microbiome, and she's a great speaker, but you know, she talked about both oral probiotics as well as topical probiotics and and postbiotics, she also covered, and just how they can be used for preventing ultraviolet light damage, induced damage, and also repairing the skin, helping with transepidermal water loss, improving skin hydration, improving fine lines and wrinkles.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: She gave a really nice summary of, and there's not a huge amount of literature, as you know, because we've both spoken on this too.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: But there are some nice studies that really show the benefits of both topical and that gut-skin connection when you influence the microbiome of the gut, how much better the skin gets as well.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Super interesting talk.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I think, again, she always does such a great job.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then I laugh because just, you know, one thing that I think you and I both think we're kind of good on is antioxidants until Giuseppe Velocci gets on the stage.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: We got a different thing.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're like a first grader because he's in another stratosphere with it.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm telling you, he says so many interesting things.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was a great talk.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't possibly uh recap it because it was so rich and so dense.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: But he he also talked about the fact that ROS are important signaling molecules.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're not, he talked about the good guy, bad guy ROS.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're not all bad in with regards to hormesis that, you know, slow levels turn on certain pathways.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's when you get overwhelmed, when the system gets overwhelmed, that you go into oxidative stress and start triggering all those pathways that damage the extracellular matrix and do all the bad things to the skin.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's again a super interesting talk.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: Really interesting talk.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's interesting, Patty, is that the brands come back come at us with different data based on their own antioxidants.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it's really hard to understand which molecule, which type of antioxidant actually has the most biological activity.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I just trust Dr.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Velocki so much.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so whatever he says, I'm gonna trust and listen to.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that's like my go-to resource.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: We know vitamin antioxidants work because we've got all the data behind CE ferrulic.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, well, it does have a little polyphenol and sprinkled into it, but basically we know that it can prevent sunburn and DNA damage and all kinds of things.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: So we know they work.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think he was just saying, technically speaking, they're not as maybe comprehensive as an antioxidant as something like a polyphenol is.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very interesting talk.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, that goes along with his idea of taking ingesting antioxidants, goes along with some of our integrative talks that that happened as well.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Where for the first time we had Dr.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: Roger Savamani talking alongside Dr.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Leo, Peter Leo, who's who's our all-time fave.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, that that integrative session was just so interesting to see what they're doing with these natural ingredients and harnessing the gut skin and the neuroskin connection uh to improve skin health and even for inflammatory diseases.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you just want to learn more and more about that.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it's something that's really becoming more mainstream.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think, you know, 10 years ago, um, people just weren't talking about this.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, they've got their meeting, the Integrative Durham Society meeting, which is so good.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: It is a great meeting.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: We've both spoken there.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great meeting.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's just so nice to see that aspect of medicine being validated and being studied by people as smart as those two.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because they put the science in integrative derm, right?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: For sure, for sure.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think the OG in that is really the guy who started with botanicals, which was Carl Thornfeld with his Epiance line.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: That was such a good talk, too.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: He really gave us an interesting uh perspective on using botanicals.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember meeting him so many years ago when he was starting his line, and I think I thought he was maybe a little bit off base with what he was saying because it was right in the middle of the retinoid revolution.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: And he came out and he said, I'm gonna test my product against retinoids.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, really?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: And he did.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: He did, and it performed really well.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just didn't understand how you could harness the power of a botanical like that.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: And boy, we sure have learned a lot.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: But that was very interesting.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I thought, you know, I'm gonna go back and listen to his lecture again because it was really packed full of incredible information.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: But the way he was talking about where you source the botanicals, how they're processed is also so important.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: And um, we really need to take that into account when we're looking at these different, you know, quote unquote natural ingredients and and what they portend to offer our the skin.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just not sure after listening to his lecture that that you can get, you know, something from the ordinary, just saying a brand that is less expensive, nothing against the ordinary, but just you know, something less expensive that may not have all the the investment in finding the correct form of the ingredient to be as biologically active as we need it to be.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, he he he definitely made a point of how it's processed and how it's grown and every single aspect of its you know genesis determines the potency in the end.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Which that kind of leads me to the sustainability lecture from Dr.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: Courtney Rubin, who really opened everybody's eyes on sourcing of not only the ingredients but also the packaging.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Packaging, yeah.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the utility of reusable packaging and how maybe it's not as good as we think it is for the environment.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: And oh my goodness, she really kind of enlightened us to think about the sustainability in a different way.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was a very, you know, it's so timely because it that's on top of mind of all the cosmetic companies right now and with consumers too, yeah, who are very interested in that.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know, the good news is we these lectures were so jam-packed, Patty, but we are going to offer them online virtually for people to have access to.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: So coming soon, you know, hopefully by end of November, early December 2024, we'll have this 2024 edition of the Science of Skincare available to be uh reviewed virtually and listened to virtually.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um stay tuned.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll send out an email about when that's ready.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: But uh I think a lot of people are excited.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: The people that attended who just couldn't write down enough notes on a lot of these lectures will be happy to be able to go back and listen and really gather the pearls and the tips from all these great lecturers.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I agree a hundred percent.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta listen to them.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you and I were also going in and out to some extent.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it's you know you catch a piece of a lecture, but not the whole thing.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm looking forward to it too.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Stephen Wang finally, we got him this year.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: He's such a God love him.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: We've been trying to get him to come to the meeting every year.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's so, you know, such a great photobiologist and knows so much about sun protection.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: And he gave a great recap, I think, on photo protection 2024 style, you know, how to protect yourself from visible light, the importance of longer wavelength of protection for preventing pigmentation.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: He also talked about vitamin D, talked about the, I think it's called the vital study that looked at vitamin D and basically concluded that many of the benefits we thought we got from vitamin D, we probably aren't getting.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: He said didn't see anti-cancer benefits, they didn't see prevention of stroke, they didn't see prevention of cardiovascular disease, and shockingly didn't see prevention of fractures.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he said the recommendation from that study was stop testing for vitamin D and stop taking vitamin D.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I think he kind of turned it all up on its head because all the terms had whipped around, mine included.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, really?
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a study to look for.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it was it was interesting that he included it.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: He also talked about the safety studies and the safety aspects of sunscreens.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, we're all fighting those maximal use studies that the FDA did so many years ago, five years ago now, I guess.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that was an unrealistic, I think, application situation that most likely would never be mimicked or mirrored in in real life.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: But he talked about it, and you know, he he's got such a nice perspective on it.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he definitely played hard to get, but we were able to get him after after three years of trying to do it.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: We got him on a blind date.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was able to get him.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna show up at his doorstep if I needed to.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Stephen, you're invited back.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I think he made the statement that we're gonna have a new filter in the United States.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: He he really believed that the FDA was going to approve the new filter, the what in Europe is called Tinnazorb.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Here it'll be in a different brand name, but that's exciting to get more UVA spectrum protection.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's about time.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: 20 years in the making.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: We have not had any new filters, and we really are pale by comparison to the Tennis Orb.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, he did mention it, and it's super exciting.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think everyone's very excited to hear someone say definitively that 2025 will see a new filter approved by the FDA that will make its way into products very quickly, I would imagine.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: And when that does, and anybody's listening to this, if if if you don't like the the mineral sunscreen ingredients, if they leave you with a white cast, if they just don't uh satisfy you aesthetically, look for ingredients such as Tinasorb or again the longer kind of UVA spectrum protection because that should be some kind of it'll be a revolution in sunscreens in the United States in short order.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna change everything, which is fantastic.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: What are we missing?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let's miss integrated skincare.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Integrated, of course, yeah, which was of course the great Jill, Dr.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: Jill Weibel, who I don't know how she does it, but she she performs 30 to 40 laser procedures every day in her office in Miami.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: And uh who better to talk about skincare with laser procedures and other energy-based devices than than Dr.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Weibel, a supporter of ours from the beginning.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: So just an amazing dermatologist, and we're so lucky to have her as a partner.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: And and and she gave another wonderful talk.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: And Dr.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Bukai from San Antonio, another great supporter of ours, gave a you know, difficult lecture on non-energy-based devices and skincare.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: How do you how do you pair skincare with microneedling chemical peels, cool stuff?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: That kind of thing.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Hydrofacials.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hydrofacials.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Diamond glow, that that kind of thing.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: How do you do that?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it's that was a tough topic for her, but I think she did a really nice job on that, giving some tips and tricks because she, my goodness, what a powerhouse cosmetic dermatologist she is.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she uh she's been uh really great for us.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we whatever lecture we have that we don't want to give to somebody, we say, well, just give it to Vivian, because she won't just do it, she'll do it and do it good.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: She'll do a great job.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um sorry, Viv.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then we got Dr.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: Glynnis Ablon from uh from LA who came and gave a great talk on you know, when when you have your injectable patient, what kind of skincare do you pair with injectables?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because there is data out there to show certain skincare will extend the life and improve the outcome of injectables.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so I really loved her talk.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: I thought she again did such a great job.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, she she could talk up, I mean, she could talk about most anything.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, another somewhat different thing we did this year was look at special patient populations.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: In addition to the menopausal patient, we looked at the male patient.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Corey Hartman gave a great talk on the male patient and skincare considerations, sensitive skin patient with Dr.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Zoe Drailos, just an absolute icon in skincare.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she gave a great talk.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: Another great talk.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we we had then a small skincare ingredient primer um with you know, Dr.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Cheryl Bird just joined us this year and just just really knocked it out of the ballpark with peptides and growth factors.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, Dr.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Shree Fry with hyperpigmentation did a wonderful job, as she always does.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just so thankful for our faculty, Patty.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: They were just amazing.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: You're 100% right.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: And there's so many new things, just so many, so many interesting ingredients coming into the hyperpigmentation market.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's like almost bigger than anti-aging these days.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because, well, first of all, it's a huge global problem.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: We have so many patients with skin of color in particular with pigmentary disorders, and so many things you can do over the counter.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all these new, she talked about some of the old standbys, she talked about some of the newer ingredients, she talked about some of the potentially problematic ingredients like hydroquinone, for example, and which of course we all use and know that we can't clear up certain types of hyperpigmentation without, but she and talked about glutathione.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: It was a very good talk.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Another one to listen to again.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, we should mention our aesthetician track, where we had Renee Roulot and Sarika Diaz who who really helped us lead this and and forged a community of of aestheticians.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: We almost tripled the number of aestheticians this year compared to last year.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's something that's resonating in the aesthetic aesthetician community.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: And our goal is to can you continue to provide education and provide community and and really help estheticians learn more and more about the science of skincare so that they can apply it to their practices.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: That I sat through a lot of that session, it was it was really well received, and there's such a nice community um that just wanting to help each other, pull each other up and teach each other.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we had demos in there, we had super experts up on the podium talking about their skin typing systems, how they approach patients, and um all the different ways you can be an aesthetician.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: You can work for industry, you can have your private practice, you can be in a physician's office.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it was just like a really great session.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed it thoroughly.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you to Hydrofacial for sponsoring that session and allowing us to really build something special this year.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we'll continue to do that.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, thank you to all of our sponsors, honestly.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: Patty, of course, our diamond sponsor again this year from the very beginning has been L'Oreal.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: And without them, Science of Skincare would never have been launched.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Never, never would have happened.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: They've been a hundred percent behind us all the way.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: And Ken View, also a big sponsor of ours and has been very supportive of us.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it's derma came in strong this year as well, and the CDFO brand with you know, with the new product launching Q1 that we're all very excited about.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Super excited.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: Had a panel discussion about the the that condition of dermatoporosis that that is something that we all deal with on a daily basis with so many of our patients over the age of 40, but hopefully we'll have something for that very soon.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: Won't we have a podcast on that?
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: We'll have a podcast on that too.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: So that's gonna be great.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: I heard some some people saying dermatoporosis.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: What's dermatoporosis?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: I guess it's not a real mainstream term yet, but it came from osteoporosis, right?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: They wanted to define the skin in terms that people understood.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great term, actually.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: It is, it is.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think we have really done a great uh job.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, I always think we do a great job, Maddie, but I think we I thought we hopefully other people do too.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: We this is just a teaser, though.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: We we hope that those of you who weren't able to attend will jump on and listen virtually because there's so much information to gain.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: In our echo chamber, we do great jobs.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um but uh just again, thank you to all the sponsors uh this year.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: We hope to see everybody back in 2025.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: We hope to see everyone that's listening in Austin September 5th through the 7th at the Fairmont Hotel.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we'll have registration up very soon at the science of skincare summit.com.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: We'll continue to uh lead the way in in with our skincare confidential podcast episodes as well.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're still working on making sure we we get the very latest and greatest tip of the spear type information so that our listeners stay at the cutting edge as well.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and we already have some plans for that for 2025.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we do.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: We should probably also thank all the research scientists who came to the podium for us.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's incredible.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh one of the things that we really love about it is we get that blend of physician key opinion leaders, we have research scientists, and we also have uh some of the industry leaders.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just it's really a great learning experience.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: To to to ask a scientist to go from the bench top to the podium is no small task for them.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so thank you to the wonderful PhDs that that spent a lot of time making their slide decks, practicing their presentations.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: It was not lost on us.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: What a great job you all did.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Incredible.
• 30:08
  unknown: Yeah.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I guess this will be a wrap for this episode.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Just a summary of the Science of Skincare Summit 2024.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: We uh look forward to seeing you all in 2025.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, if you like the podcast, please please subscribe.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Please give us a like and tell your friends as well.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, we'll keep the mission of uh keep going with this mission of educating people on the science behind the wonderful skincare industry, which continues to just absolutely lead the way uh in all different areas of science so that we can offer our patients the ability to use over-the-counter skincare to improve the health and beauty of their skin.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for listening, everyone.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Dr.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: Ted Lane with Dr.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Patty Ferris, and this is Skincare Confidential.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.