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Saga Book Club #12 - Volume 12 · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

0:02
Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody! Welcome back to…
0:07
Tad Eggleston: not the last Saga book club, but we're gonna have to figure out something else to read for a couple of months while we're waiting for issue 73.
0:18
Tad Eggleston: So we'll set aside a couple minutes at the end of the podcast to discuss what we should read in between. I'm recommending either very short series or one-shot graphic novels so that we don't get caught in something long and then have new saga come out. Unless…
0:38
Tad Eggleston: The other thing to think on is, do we want to wait until we have another arc, or do we want to start going issue by issue as we get new stuff
0:48
Tad Eggleston: Which… is gonna be at least October, because the… the…
0:52
Tad Eggleston: July for September catalog came out, and it doesn't have Saga in it. So…
0:57
Matt & Belle: Yeah, I feel like, since we're close to the end, issue by issue might actually be kind of cool.
1:03
Tad Eggleston: That's where I was leaning.
1:05
Tad Eggleston: And then we'd still have, like, the 3 months in between to do other things. Yeah. So.
1:13
Matt & Belle: By Matt Kent. Hint, hint, hint.
1:15
Tad Eggleston: I'm all for it!
1:18
Matt & Belle: I need it.
1:18
Tad Eggleston: another Mind Management by Matt Kent, and Mind Management is back on the shelves now.
1:23
Matt & Belle: Maybe that's him.
1:25
Tad Eggleston: And, and, like, Lee is making faces. Lee, have you ever read Mind Management, or have you just looked at the issue of New and Improved?
1:33
Lee Woods: I've read the new and improved, the free, comic book, and…
1:39
Lee Woods: was, like, blown away by it, so, like, that's.
1:41
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you need to do the other series.
1:44
Tad Eggleston: The full series.
1:46
Tad Eggleston: I… I… it's across the room, but I showed Matt when he was on one of the volumes from when I book-clubbed it, and it's just filled with post-it notes.
1:56
Lee Woods: God.
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Tad Eggleston: filled with post-it notes. Like, an average of a post-it note per page with a note, or question, or whatever.
2:03
Tad Eggleston: And it turns out he doesn't really plan it all out. Huh.
2:09
Tad Eggleston: I thought he was gonna have, like, one of those murder boards, like, red string going along, and…
2:15
Tad Eggleston: Apparently, it just comes out of his head that way, and then he'll go back and, like.
2:19
Matt & Belle: We can work on it.
2:20
Tad Eggleston: drawing at his stuff, he'll fill in some of the other stuff that makes it seem like there's that much more…
2:27
Lee Woods: Honestly, I kinda love that.
2:29
Tad Eggleston: I do too, but it's like… I'm also, like, blown away by that mind.
2:35
Matt & Belle: I feel like that just means the murder board is in his head, and he's a scary human.
2:39
Tad Eggleston: Something like that, I mean…
2:40
Matt & Belle: I'm kidding.
2:41
Tad Eggleston: He's a cool guy, though.
2:43
Matt & Belle: I totally believe it.
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Tad Eggleston: Very cool guy. I enjoyed talking to him.
2:47
Tad Eggleston: So, Saga, Volume 12.
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Tad Eggleston: Issues 67… to 72.
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Tad Eggleston: Where we meet Sploot.
3:01
Tad Eggleston: Among other things.
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Tad Eggleston: Right on the cover, issue 67, Sploot!
3:10
Tad Eggleston: I kinda love the, Ringmaster, too.
3:13
Matt & Belle: Yeah.
3:15
Matt & Belle: I have a lot of things I'm excited to talk about in this issue, actually.
3:19
Tad Eggleston: Well, then… well, hold on. No, no. Josh missed last… last…
3:24
Tad Eggleston: volume, and I know he had some feelings. So, we need to let Josh get some feelings out, and then we'll let… then we'll let Belle lead off Volume 12.
3:35
Josh Eiserike: Sure, so Volume Volume 11 is not fresh in my head. I read it…
3:41
Tad Eggleston: That's probably good.
3:43
Josh Eiserike: A month ago.
3:43
Tad Eggleston: Based on the text messages you sent, if it was fresh in your head, we might be…
3:48
Josh Eiserike: I… I actually, like, it didn't have, like…
3:52
Josh Eiserike: shocking, sad moments, like, I mean, we are well into spoiler territory at this point in Volume 12, like, you know, the death of Marco, or, other, very, very tragic moments, with,
4:08
Josh Eiserike: Kearney, yup.
4:10
Josh Eiserike: But I just found this whole volume to be just heartbreaking.
4:14
Josh Eiserike: I mean, is… and again, it's not super fresh. This is… this is where Atlanta's basically…
4:20
Josh Eiserike: They're… they're living in a tent, and she's working at, like, an Amazon fulfillment center, is that what's happening? Yep.
4:28
Josh Eiserike: and… It… it just felt… incredibly
4:33
Josh Eiserike: like, still entertaining as hell. And, you know, I… I…
4:39
Josh Eiserike: live in Los Angeles, so… I see that on a fairly regular basis without the sci-fi making it cooler. Just, you know, how bleak people's lives are.
4:52
Josh Eiserike: And I mean, shh, She's a mom, you know, raising two kids without a dad.
4:59
Josh Eiserike: Or without any help.
5:02
Josh Eiserike: And it was rough. And then this one, was just… So much more fun.
5:10
Josh Eiserike: Oh.
5:11
Josh Eiserike: And, and, and, and also, like…
5:15
Josh Eiserike: We are past the point, at least for me, speaking personally.
5:20
Josh Eiserike: in this story where I can relate, because now Hazel is older than my kids.
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Josh Eiserike: So, reading the previous volumes, like, it definitely brought up some, you know, emotions, and reminded me of moments from my life, at various stages with my own kids, but now it's like, oh, I guess I'm reading into the future. This is what middle school's gonna be like.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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Josh Eiserike: Okay.
5:46
Tad Eggleston: I think for the last volume, what killed me the most was that Alana was constantly having to choose the lesser of two bad options in order to…
6:00
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Never actually do what was best for her kids, but do what was least worst for her kids.
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Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: Ew.
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Tad Eggleston: So, like, with this volume, we see them in some semblance of stability again for the first time in a while. And therefore, the kids get to get in all sorts of trouble, but it's not because Alana is…
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Tad Eggleston: Constantly strung out, and constantly… Having to make those hard decisions on, like.
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Tad Eggleston: Do we eat, or do you get to do something fun today? Do we…
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Tad Eggleston: Do I spend time with you, or work another shift?
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Josh Eiserike: Right.
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Tad Eggleston: You know, do I take this incredibly dangerous assignment that will keep you safe?
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Tad Eggleston: Or… Or do I try to keep you safe?
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Tad Eggleston: Even though the people around us are angry at us.
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Josh Eiserike: Right.
7:03
Tad Eggleston: And then, like, the added thing with the woman who said she could bring Marco back and…
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Tad Eggleston: The fact that the kids heard that was just, like… that was torture.
7:13
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
7:14
Tad Eggleston: That was torture.
7:15
Josh Eiserike: I'd forgotten that, that was really sad.
7:17
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: So, Belle… You said you had all sorts of thoughts on this one. Let's get into the good stuff.
7:25
Matt & Belle: Alright, so I'll start with a rose and a thorn, but both are kind of roses. A thorn for some, we're gonna start with a thorn. The will. The will burn, burns in a house, question mark. My, my, my rose is emesis.
7:39
Tad Eggleston: worn?
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Matt & Belle: Yeah, it's a thorn for some, not for me. They're two roses.
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Matt & Belle: And my other rose is that Emesis is here now, and I really love her. I love that Hazel has a friend, and I love that she's 12. 12 was a great age for me, so I can relate to Hazel here when she's like, 12 was great. I'm like, yeah, 12 was great. Because, like, yeah, there's bad things about everyone's being 12, but, like, you're 12, and it's kind of awesome, because it's right before you realize the world sucks, and it's right after you realize, like, you're a human being and can be a person, and, like, life becomes fun, you know?
8:10
Tad Eggleston: Alright.
8:12
Matt & Belle: Those are some of my thoughts. I want to see what everyone else has to say, though, before I… because I could go.
8:17
Josh Eiserike: Go back, Ted?
8:22
Josh Eiserike: Anybody get the reference? Go, go too forward.
8:27
Josh Eiserike: Anybody get that?
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Matt & Belle: The propaganda poster?
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Josh Eiserike: Norman Rockwell.
8:34
Lee Woods: Oh, no. Nope.
8:38
Josh Eiserike: Not… not the propaganda, but the kid outside the principal's office, that's straight out of Norman Rockwell.
8:43
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
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Matt & Belle: Yeah, I did not catch that the first time.
8:47
Lee Woods: Huh.
8:47
Tad Eggleston: I… I was focused… focused on this, see a horn, you must warn, and thinking, But yeah.
8:54
Josh Eiserike: find it.
8:56
Tad Eggleston: No, I, I, I, I, I, even pretty certain…
9:01
Tad Eggleston: I know which one you're talking about now.
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Josh Eiserike: It's…
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Tad Eggleston: I got it.
9:14
Josh Eiserike: Got it?
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Tad Eggleston: Young lady with the.
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Matt & Belle: Oh, yeah, look at that!
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Josh Eiserike: Yup.
9:20
Matt & Belle: That's awesome That's an awesome reference.
9:25
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
9:30
Tad Eggleston: Young lady with the shiner.
9:33
Matt & Belle: That's beautiful.
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Tad Eggleston: I like me some Rockwell.
9:37
Josh Eiserike: I do too.
9:40
Tad Eggleston: So… She's even got the shiner.
9:44
Josh Eiserike: Guys, sorry to completely derail the conversation.
9:46
Tad Eggleston: Not at all!
9:47
Matt & Belle: No, that was valuable.
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Tad Eggleston: reference.
9:52
Matt & Belle: I love our history, that's beautiful.
9:54
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I love seeing the reference. I also like, you know.
9:58
Tad Eggleston: a little more of what we learn about Alana and her family life here. Yeah. Like, because this is before she had the sister mom.
10:07
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
10:08
Tad Eggleston: But it sounds pretty clear that mom's, like, fucked up.
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Tad Eggleston: But also, like, Dad is absolutely dead set against her becoming a soldier.
10:22
Matt & Belle: As he should be.
10:26
Tad Eggleston: Well, while…
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Matt & Belle: It makes the ending more impactful, too.
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Tad Eggleston: Right. While I agree with that, like, she also, like, she's sitting there going, but you…
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Tad Eggleston: You talk about all of these horrible people, and it's like, yes, and other people are supposed to go fight them.
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Tad Eggleston: You know…
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Tad Eggleston: you get a little bit of how Alana gets her sense of purpose. She felt like her dad
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Tad Eggleston: Didn't have any clear…
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Josh Eiserike: Go.
10:57
Josh Eiserike: And not to completely jump ahead, but what an amazing plant for the end of the volume.
11:03
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
11:04
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: Well, and, like, what a fantastic head fake, too, because when Will gets the call right after she's had the conversation with the clown, you just assume it's the clown, but then you wind up seeing the
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Tad Eggleston: Seeing the bartender on a call.
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Tad Eggleston: And it's like, wait a minute, what the fuck?
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Tad Eggleston: Yep.
11:35
Tad Eggleston: What are you… what are you pointing at, Bill?
11:37
Matt & Belle: Okay, I saw Chapter 69, you should look at how the.
11:39
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
11:40
Matt & Belle: It's a 69. They drew, they drew them!
11:43
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, no, I mean, everybody knew that was coming.
11:45
Matt & Belle: That was also a great reference.
11:47
Tad Eggleston: Everybody knew that was coming.
11:49
Josh Eiserike: I mean, that's my other favorite Norman Rockwell painting.
11:53
Matt & Belle: 69?
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Josh Eiserike: Yeah, that's scary.
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it was from the 69th issue of Saturday Evening Post.
12:02
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
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Josh Eiserike: There it is.
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Matt & Belle: Hilarious.
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Matt & Belle: Isn't that the couple from the, with the pitchfork in the farmhouse? They just…
12:11
Josh Eiserike: I'm Gothic.
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Matt & Belle: Yeah, like, use the same.
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Josh Eiserike: Not Rockwell, but yes.
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Lee Woods: A little bit more modernized, I would assume.
12:19
Matt & Belle: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:24
Tad Eggleston: Actually…
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Tad Eggleston: I thought, well.
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Matt & Belle: That is so sad, though.
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Tad Eggleston: Other than the fact that… that… that… Like, like, the Will's position…
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Tad Eggleston: other than the fact that they're… they're not touching. Reminds me of the… the… John Lennon knew?
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Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: That was Gioco.
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Josh Eiserike: Yeah…
12:59
Tad Eggleston: If I had to pick her reference.
13:03
Tad Eggleston: I would almost say that she took John twice.
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Josh Eiserike: Leo?
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Josh Eiserike: I see that.
13:13
Tad Eggleston: Well, and, like…
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Tad Eggleston: I mean, when you start getting into that, like, the emptiness in between them is palpable.
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Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: The fact that they're each only touching each other's leg.
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Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
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Josh Eiserike: I mean, which is, which is also just, you know, great…
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Josh Eiserike: foreshadowing, in that, like, oh, they're having a great moment, but they're not. They're… they're, like…
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Josh Eiserike: even though this was much happier, and I'm still on Team Will, like, his story is…
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Tad Eggleston: I am so not on Team Will, and…
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Josh Eiserike: sad.
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Tad Eggleston: And… and…
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Josh Eiserike: He's… he's a grieving parent!
13:53
Tad Eggleston: I'm very, very sad for so… well, no, he's not a great parent, because he.
13:57
Josh Eiserike: Grieving, grieving, grieving, grieving.
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Tad Eggleston: leaving parent. I'll kind of give him that.
14:05
Tad Eggleston: But I kinda hate him more because Sophie wound up dying.
14:12
Matt & Belle: Not his fault.
14:13
Tad Eggleston: What do you mean it's not his fault? He could have given up it so many different times.
14:18
Matt & Belle: So.
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Tad Eggleston: After meeting.
14:19
Matt & Belle: No, Bundleyn didn't have airtime.
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Tad Eggleston: F?
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Tad Eggleston: after meeting Sophie, before… before killing Prince Robot.
14:28
Tad Eggleston: If he doesn't kill Prince Robot, he doesn't have Petrichor after him.
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Tad Eggleston: Also, Marco's probably alive. So no, fuck the will.
14:40
Matt & Belle: I agree, fuck the will!
14:41
Tad Eggleston: Also, fuck little Billy.
14:44
Matt & Belle: Literally. Why do you gotta go warn him like that?
14:50
Lee Woods: I think we all know my, stance on this debate. Sorry.
14:55
Lee Woods: No, no.
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Tad Eggleston: Lee, as a clinician, would you, how'd you feel about Squire?
15:05
Lee Woods: Oh, man. Yeah, this was the part I wanted to talk about, man. This is the part that, like, it hurt.
15:11
Lee Woods: I definitely felt like…
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Lee Woods: That sort of emotional response, like the… my gut sort of dropping, where, again.
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Lee Woods: Just this sort of self-harm here.
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Lee Woods: Literally piercing his skin, and…
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Lee Woods: his face literally saying, help, right? Yeah.
15:31
Tad Eggleston: Well, as he's saying, I'm fine, just a small burn from the hot place, but the face… Yeah. Help.
15:38
Tad Eggleston: With the tide coming in.
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Lee Woods: It's like, oh… Analyze that, right? He's about to be swept away in the current, about to drown, right?
15:47
Tad Eggleston: That's right.
15:48
Lee Woods: He's sinking, and to me, it was just that…
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Lee Woods: That sense of hopelessness, but also…
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Lee Woods: quite literally, a cry for help, and you see it written on his face, so it's…
16:01
Matt & Belle: But, you know, I grabbed it as, like, this is the one time I'm gonna actually say it, and then the water's gonna take it away, and I'm not gonna say it again.
16:10
Lee Woods: Interesting.
16:11
Tad Eggleston: too?
16:12
Josh Eiserike: Oh.
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Tad Eggleston: So, like, we've seen that the robots can't always control what's on their face.
16:18
Matt & Belle: Yup.
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Tad Eggleston: So I don't know that he knows it's there.
16:23
Josh Eiserike: I thought this was handled exceptionally well. Like, it didn't feel heavy-handed, it didn't feel kind of over the top, it just felt like…
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Josh Eiserike: He's really struggling, he might not be getting what he needs.
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Josh Eiserike: And we're not being hit over the head with it.
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Josh Eiserike: like, it feels like, oh, like, he could be going down the path of being one of those incels or whatever. Just, like, completely online all the time, and really struggling, but, like, the story beats didn't… like, it didn't feel like there were too… it felt like it was…
16:55
Josh Eiserike: just the right amount, and I want to contrast it. I just saw, I'm not gonna spoil it, and I quite liked it, the new Toy Story movie.
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Tad Eggleston: Okay.
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Josh Eiserike: Which… which is quite good, and I felt the first act was very heavy-handed about screen time. Even, even as I agree with it. So I thought, I thought this was handled really, really well.
17:19
Lee Woods: And that's also, Matt, to your point, a really good, sort of observation there, that sometimes, clinically as well.
17:26
Lee Woods: Whether you're dealing with, like, self-harm thoughts, suicidal thoughts, or even, like, trauma, is people will tend to… clients, patients will tend to dip their toes, in air quotes here, dip their toes to see if the water is safe before really diving in.
17:41
Lee Woods: So that sort of image there, also, that's what sparked that thought for me, so that's a very good point as well.
17:51
Matt & Belle: I'm just glad Alana's getting him the help he needs now, even though it splits the family, which we know always creates drama for them. I'm also really glad that he's able to do something, and they have people they know that have recommended something good for him, because I do, like, in the end, want Squire to be okay. It just stresses me out that they're split.
18:09
Josh Eiserike: I… I agree.
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Josh Eiserike: Bell, and I'm… having had friends whose siblings have gone to stuff like that, I'm…
18:18
Josh Eiserike: concerned for Squire. I don't… I have no idea how it's gonna play out, I'm concerned for him.
18:23
Matt & Belle: to that point, that crystal that will bring them together instantly if they summon it, use it, whatever, I feel like that's either gonna be a huge plot point, or a nothing.
18:35
Matt & Belle: And I'm… I'm tired!
18:37
Tad Eggleston: Well, I'll go a step… second step, just because, like.
18:42
Tad Eggleston: we know at the… at the end of this, there's… there's heavy, heavy insinuation that it's gonna be a lot longer before they see each other again than just the two months, because they go off to see Alana's father, and, you know, what could go wrong?
18:58
Matt & Belle: wrong.
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Tad Eggleston: Because this is only Saga.
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Tad Eggleston: Like, the question then becomes, like.
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Tad Eggleston: If it gets used, is it a major plot point for the good, or does it make everything worse?
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Tad Eggleston: I could see it being… I can see it saving the day, and I can see it just, like…
19:17
Matt & Belle: Fucking up their day.
19:18
Tad Eggleston: Fucking things up tenfold.
19:20
Matt & Belle: Yup, I love it.
19:22
Matt & Belle: It's, it's such a, it's such a MacGuffin. It could go either way.
19:26
Tad Eggleston: Speaking of fucked up… Who saw Gwendolyn seeing her naked, bloody Marco?
19:35
Matt & Belle: I don't know.
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Tad Eggleston: is on.
19:39
Matt & Belle: It was such a fuck you to the will, I feel like.
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Tad Eggleston: That too, yes.
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Tad Eggleston: I don't think they can see the same things when they're on.
19:50
Matt & Belle: On the drugs?
19:51
Josh Eiserike: No.
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Tad Eggleston: But… but still… Kinda, kinda fucked up.
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Tad Eggleston: As is this next page, where, where,
20:04
Tad Eggleston: We're… we're… I forget the name of the… the… circus owner.
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Tad Eggleston: is saying, Doc here knows how to fix every kind of boy bot and beast of the field.
20:16
Tad Eggleston: And the doc is reading Introduction to Robot Biology in the style of Robot Biology for Dummies.
20:24
Josh Eiserike: And I love that spaceship, like, the big top spaceship.
20:29
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
20:29
Josh Eiserike: Awesome. Awesome.
20:30
Tad Eggleston: But with the… huh! So they all have blue blood, not just their royals.
20:38
Tad Eggleston: It's great.
20:40
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
20:42
Tad Eggleston: I love that Squire wears a Carney hoodie.
20:45
Matt & Belle: Yep.
20:49
Matt & Belle: Did we get to that, full-page spread yet, where,
20:54
Matt & Belle: Hazel's saying, I hate you, because I want to talk about the bullshit. No, I don't.
20:58
Tad Eggleston: That's coming up.
20:59
Matt & Belle: That's the beginning of the message.
21:01
Lee Woods: Whoa, spoiler!
21:03
Matt & Belle: in the…
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Tad Eggleston: People listening to this know that they should read the
21:09
Tad Eggleston: volumes first. They've had, like, a year.
21:12
Matt & Belle: Exactly. Right.
21:14
Matt & Belle: But I just, I love this full.
21:16
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I think even if we start doing single issues, we need to arrange it so it's, like, 2 weeks after it came out.
21:23
Matt & Belle: That's fair.
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Tad Eggleston: You know, maybe, maybe.
21:26
Lee Woods: Thursday afternoon.
21:27
Tad Eggleston: It's been, like, the week before the next one comes out.
21:32
Lee Woods: Nope, Wednesday, new release day, podcast Thursday.
21:35
Matt & Belle: I still won't read it till the night before the podcast.
21:37
Lee Woods: And how about this?
21:43
Tad Eggleston: She shut Lioncat up.
21:46
Tad Eggleston: And it looks pretty clear to me that LionCat could have told her that she needed to… to…
21:54
Tad Eggleston: think twice. Well, actually, it is Lioncat.
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Tad Eggleston: Thinking that it's a lie that the robot is telling?
22:04
Matt & Belle: I don't think I'm lying.
22:05
Tad Eggleston: cat, upset.
22:06
Tad Eggleston: that… They're agreeing to kill the.
22:10
Matt & Belle: Oh, yeah. I don't think Lion Cat can hear anything. I think she's completely secluded in that little…
22:16
Matt & Belle: force field there. Maybe the blackout in that panel, right,
22:22
Matt & Belle: In the middle of the page that you were showing. Where she says, sometimes too loyal? Too loyal?
22:26
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
22:26
Matt & Belle: not something that LionCat can hear. Maybe that blackout is to, like, show or indicate that, like, there's no hearing in there, maybe. That's my interpretation on it.
22:35
Tad Eggleston: Yeah?
22:35
Matt & Belle: Doesn'.
22:36
Lee Woods: Oh, interesting.
22:38
Lee Woods: I didn't read it that way.
22:41
Tad Eggleston: But it's still such a great face.
22:43
Lee Woods: Yeah.
22:44
Tad Eggleston: I read it as, like, she was preventing Lion Cat from… Guess it might be hearing.
22:54
Tad Eggleston: Certainly from being able to… to… to… to talk, talk.
22:59
Josh Eiserike: That's how I read it.
23:01
Lee Woods: Yes.
23:03
Matt & Belle: Well, that face says, I can't hear what's being said, so I can't help, and now I…
23:07
Tad Eggleston: See, and I… and I thought that… I thought that face said, I can hear exactly what's being said, and I can't help.
23:16
Matt & Belle: Either way, but yeah, no, it's true. Or it could straight up be, I hear it, and it's true.
23:21
Tad Eggleston: Right.
23:22
Matt & Belle: You know?
23:23
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, I mean, again, depending on where the overall loyalties are. Not lying, she's gonna kill Will.
23:31
Lee Woods: Well, now I gotta go back and see… can we see the inside of a lioncat's ears? Is that what that means?
23:43
Lee Woods: Very, very dark.
23:45
Matt & Belle: I mean, we have a slight…
23:46
Lee Woods: I'm not gonna lie, my mind's a little blown right now. I don't know.
23:50
Tad Eggleston: There's the Thank you.
23:52
Matt & Belle: I love it.
23:53
Tad Eggleston: Oh my god.
23:54
Matt & Belle: It's so beautiful. It's so 12.
24:01
Matt & Belle: Oh, and then her, like, with the, with the striped tights in the, like, ugh, it's so good.
24:08
Matt & Belle: It's just so 12. I appreciate it.
24:11
Matt & Belle: With your canvas shoes that went up to here? Yeah, I wore high top, converse. Super high top comp. Super high top converse that went all the way up my calf in middle school.
24:22
Matt & Belle: Sounds great.
24:24
Lee Woods: I love the double tumbler.
24:26
Tad Eggleston: I love… I love him. Rah! And the black and white sun face.
24:39
Lee Woods: Just the double thumbs up, just, like, tricky to it.
24:43
Matt & Belle: That's total funds!
24:55
Tad Eggleston: I love this line, too, of course not, I just want to get better.
25:05
Tad Eggleston: Just wanna get better.
25:09
Lee Woods: Yeah.
25:10
Matt & Belle: Only for a few months. Months! Yeah.
25:12
Lee Woods: That's good stuff.
25:13
Tad Eggleston: I barely know her!
25:15
Lee Woods: Dude.
25:16
Lee Woods: That… this is the part, like, with volumes 11 and 12, just.
25:20
Tad Eggleston: Did you notice the, the gasoline from the tits in the back?
25:25
Matt & Belle: Yeah.
25:25
Josh Eiserike: Oh, I noticed it.
25:27
Matt & Belle: How do you miss it?
25:28
Matt & Belle: It's so saga.
25:31
Lee Woods: Wait, there's something else on this panel? I don't…
25:40
Tad Eggleston: Damn clowns.
25:41
Matt & Belle: I hate that, I hate that motherfucker, that first guy, I hate that guy.
25:46
Matt & Belle: I'm so glad that…
25:47
Tad Eggleston: Corgi is so cute.
25:50
Tad Eggleston: The winged corgi?
25:52
Matt & Belle: So, did everyone think that?
25:54
Matt & Belle: That, Feld was the… informant for… The Secret Service?
26:02
Tad Eggleston: Initially, I thought it was the clown, and then I thought it was filled.
26:09
Matt & Belle: I immediately thought it was foul to then, and then when it wasn't, I was like, thank God.
26:14
Tad Eggleston: Well, at the… at the very… well, cause… cause, like, I talked about this a little bit before, like, the first time we know…
26:22
Tad Eggleston: First time Will gets the phone call…
26:25
Tad Eggleston: The one that he hangs up on, because he doesn't care.
26:29
Tad Eggleston: is… I wanna say right after she's… pissed off.
26:39
Tad Eggleston: the…
26:48
Matt & Belle: Oh, I think you missed it, I think you went back too far.
26:51
Tad Eggleston: Okay, so she just pissed this guy off.
26:55
Tad Eggleston: And then we see Feld.
26:57
Tad Eggleston: But everything with Feld is… is pretty good.
27:01
Lee Woods: Yeah.
27:01
Tad Eggleston: And THEN we get the phone call. Yup. So I…
27:05
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I guess it kind of sets up the possibility of both of them, but I was thinking it was the clown at that point.
27:11
Matt & Belle: No, I didn't even consider the clown at this point. Same here.
27:15
Tad Eggleston: But then, when… when you later have Fel have to take that phone call, Where, you know… he's…
27:25
Matt & Belle: Making up his own conversations.
27:27
Tad Eggleston: I can't talk right now.
27:32
Matt & Belle: And the instructional space, at the last panel. Yep.
27:37
Matt & Belle: It just had a… it was like a guilty look, like, that he didn't like what I was… yeah.
27:42
Matt & Belle: Where you give the deadpan stare. Yes.
27:44
Tad Eggleston: here.
27:45
Matt & Belle: No, the next one.
27:47
Lee Woods: No, all the way. There you go.
27:49
Matt & Belle: That one.
27:49
Tad Eggleston: Well, no. No, at this point, I knew that he… this is the point where I was certain that it was felt.
27:56
Matt & Belle: That was… that's the nefarious one.
27:58
Tad Eggleston: Clown, it's spelled.
27:59
Lee Woods: Yeah.
28:00
Matt & Belle: Yup.
28:01
Tad Eggleston: Which is why I became so happy.
28:06
Tad Eggleston: Well, and then when Feld is assigned the find out who's making the calls, I'm like, oh, oh, so you're gonna have Steve Bannon
28:16
Tad Eggleston: investigate the J6ers. Makes… makes perfect sense.
28:20
Matt & Belle: Exactly.
28:25
Tad Eggleston: But then… But then they catch the clown, and I feel better, but I'm still wondering about Feld.
28:34
Matt & Belle: Yup, absolutely.
28:35
Tad Eggleston: And then what Feld is, is, like, a total. And how cool is this crab?
28:42
Matt & Belle: Oh, yeah, that takes a while, yeah. That's pretty badass.
28:47
Tad Eggleston: Well, it reminds me of Cloak and Dagger.
28:50
Matt & Belle: Yes, exactly.
28:51
Josh Eiserike: Oh, yeah.
28:52
Tad Eggleston: Just, just walk in!
28:54
Matt & Belle: Yup, come on in!
29:01
Tad Eggleston: And, like, A camp t-shirt.
29:04
Tad Eggleston: A canoe on a lake.
29:10
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
29:12
Lee Woods: I… I love the… sorry, this… Alana's… sorry, are you asking for my pronouns, or…
29:18
Matt & Belle: Everyone, what are you? Oh my god, they're skish when they give him a hug?
29:23
Lee Woods: Yeah.
29:24
Matt & Belle: Oh my god, my heart.
29:27
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
29:27
Matt & Belle: It was the cutest.
29:28
Tad Eggleston: Well, and, and, and, and Emesis.
29:33
Tad Eggleston: With the tears.
29:35
Lee Woods: From her eight eyes.
29:37
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
29:44
Tad Eggleston: Now, is this… I feel like we've seen this guy before.
29:51
Matt & Belle: Reminds me of more in King Julian.
29:53
Tad Eggleston: Oh, no, no, I know what he reminds me of. He reminds me of Kurti. So we haven't seen him before, he's just the same race as…
30:04
Tad Eggleston: as… as the, the, the, the family on Fang.
30:09
Matt & Belle: He reminds me of Morty from Rick and Morty.
30:13
Josh Eiserike: With the eyes, yeah.
30:21
Tad Eggleston: And this is where we find out, okay, it's the dickhead clown.
30:27
Tad Eggleston: This is a great cover.
30:29
Matt & Belle: It is.
30:33
Tad Eggleston: This is great. Smash… splash page.
30:44
Lee Woods: Sorry.
30:48
Tad Eggleston: I do love the chicken being tossed to the…
30:52
Matt & Belle: Fluish?
30:53
Matt & Belle: And I love when Countess, the Tenth comes in every time. She's got this, like, pixely encore with it. Which she's downloading. It's just… it's beautiful. It's beautiful worldbuilding. I love that.
31:07
Tad Eggleston: finds the completely strung-out Gwendolyn.
31:10
Matt & Belle: Junkie Gwendolyn.
31:13
Tad Eggleston: Accidentally kicks over the stove.
31:16
Matt & Belle: Oh, it didn't look like an accident to me.
31:18
Tad Eggleston: I, I, I'm aware.
31:21
Lee Woods: Oh, yeah, the accidental echo.
31:23
Matt & Belle: Oops.
31:26
Matt & Belle: Did I do that?
31:29
Josh Eiserike: that one.
31:36
Tad Eggleston: Will remembering. Baby Lion Cat.
31:41
Tad Eggleston: And doesn't re… I think he's talking to himself and doesn't realize it.
31:45
Matt & Belle: Yep, absolutely.
31:47
Josh Eiserike: That's how I read it.
31:48
Matt & Belle: Dang!
31:52
Tad Eggleston: You're not a bad guy. Lying.
32:01
Tad Eggleston: So, here, we need votes. We need votes. Who thinks that him shouting lying means that he didn't get up?
32:09
Tad Eggleston: He dies in the fire. And who thinks that his young self saves him?
32:17
Tad Eggleston: I'm with Bill, and I think this is when he finally gets it. But I'll also acknowledge that there's a lot of wish casting in that.
32:26
Matt & Belle: The Will has a lot of plot armor, so I'm thinking he survives. Unfortunately, probably, but I wanna be… I wanna be… say he dies.
32:38
Matt & Belle: So I'm hoping for the fire to engulf him and him to do something.
32:42
Josh Eiserike: I'm gonna get to this moment, which is… which is incredible. I'm going to… Because it's the unexpected move?
32:51
Josh Eiserike: I wouldn't be surprised if he's dead.
32:54
Tad Eggleston: Josh is going with dead.
32:56
Matt & Belle: I don't think so.
32:57
Josh Eiserike: I don't… I don't think he is, but I'm not certain, because…
33:03
Josh Eiserike: In a book like this, giving a character like that just, like, an unceremonious, kind of, like, almost real-life send-off.
33:13
Tad Eggleston: is, like, perfect.
33:14
Josh Eiserike: It's kind of heartbreaking and kind of perfect, yeah.
33:18
Matt & Belle: No one's around, he just dies on his own. Yeah. No one cares.
33:23
Tad Eggleston: His subconscious.
33:24
Matt & Belle: Oh, Jack.
33:24
Tad Eggleston: Literally tries to save him, and he refuses.
33:28
Matt & Belle: Like, he's… he deserves an unremarkable death. He's committed atrocities.
33:33
Tad Eggleston: I could see him having one more scene to make certain that we know that he's dead.
33:39
Josh Eiserike: Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm going 60-40 that he's dead.
33:45
Tad Eggleston: Lee?
33:46
Lee Woods: I… I think he's alive.
33:49
Tad Eggleston: You think he's alive?
33:50
Lee Woods: My thought process there with the sort of sleep in the lying.
33:57
Lee Woods: is that, obviously, the unconscious has come to the conscious now, and especially when sleep, some people get so enamored in their sleep and so, aroused, like, activated in their sleep, that they can wake themselves up from it. And I think we're seeing a sneak peek.
34:12
Lee Woods: of him…
34:14
Tad Eggleston: I'm hoping that it's just late enough that he gets to feel all the pain.
34:20
Lee Woods: I'm trying to take my feelings out of a tad, but… Out of your.
34:24
Matt & Belle: Relatable.
34:26
Lee Woods: I, I think.
34:28
Tad Eggleston: I don't wish harm on many people, real or imaginative.
34:33
Lee Woods: It's not real.
34:36
Lee Woods: I…
34:40
Tad Eggleston: I'm the live and let live guy.
34:43
Tad Eggleston: Most of the time.
34:45
Matt & Belle: Unless your name's Will.
34:47
Lee Woods: Yeah.
34:48
Matt & Belle: based up there.
34:48
Tad Eggleston: The will.
34:49
Matt & Belle: million volumes.
34:51
Tad Eggleston: I can handle wills.
34:53
Matt & Belle: Even okay.
34:54
Tad Eggleston: with Will fucking Clark.
34:55
Tad Eggleston: But THE will?
34:59
Lee Woods: I… So maybe this is where my, sort of, Naivety comes in.
35:04
Lee Woods: I don't think he's dead, because I don't think his story is done.
35:09
Matt & Belle: Clearly.
35:11
Josh Eiserike: I agree.
35:13
Matt & Belle: He is gonna play a major role.
35:14
Tad Eggleston: his Anakin Skywalker moment, and the next time we see him, he'll be a big, big half… half-man, half-machine.
35:22
Matt & Belle: Could be, and he'll save the day, inadvertently or something.
35:27
Matt & Belle: I think it's involved with Squire, because we don't know where Squire's going. That's true. We don't know where the Will is going, so that would be a really interesting way to marry the two stories again.
35:36
Matt & Belle: In kind of a more redemption-seeking way, too, since he did kill Prince Robot. So actually, that might be an interesting prediction to hold onto.
35:43
Tad Eggleston: No, I don't wanna like the will.
35:46
Matt & Belle: I don't either, but Squire might need someone to save this, because we don't know where Squire is.
35:51
Tad Eggleston: I don't want to like the will.
35:55
Tad Eggleston: Alright, how about…
35:57
Lee Woods: I guess those…
35:57
Tad Eggleston: diesel.
35:58
Lee Woods: I guess I need to qualify this, too, just so it's out there. Yeah, I do…
36:03
Lee Woods: I do think he's alive. If I put my feelings into it, I think he's gonna die a much more horrible death than me being burned alive.
36:09
Matt & Belle: Yes, but for a good purpose, or a good reason.
36:13
Matt & Belle: He's gonna redeem himself. I just feel like he's gonna redeem himself, and I don't want it, but that's what's gonna happen.
36:18
Lee Woods: Nope, I don't think…
36:18
Josh Eiserike: I think he gets the Michael Corleone death, whether it's here or later.
36:23
Josh Eiserike: It's kind of, like, lonely.
36:25
Josh Eiserike: Of old age, and that's it.
36:28
Matt & Belle: death. He betrayed someone, but now he's gonna do the right thing.
36:33
Tad Eggleston: Fishing…
36:34
Matt & Belle: Last act, I don't… yeah, I kind of…
36:37
Tad Eggleston: Leave the gun, take the cannoli.
36:41
Matt & Belle: Exactly.
36:43
Tad Eggleston: Alright.
36:46
Tad Eggleston: What do we think on Hazel?
36:48
Matt & Belle: She threw a lot better, just because of the horns.
36:52
Tad Eggleston: Well, cause she was caught off guard.
37:00
Tad Eggleston: And, and, and, and maybe she doesn't like horns.
37:04
Tad Eggleston: I don't know.
37:06
Tad Eggleston: Though, I just saw this fantastic gramophone horn in the background here.
37:13
Matt & Belle: Yep.
37:14
Tad Eggleston: Fuck, man, that's awesome.
37:16
Matt & Belle: I do love the shading on that panel, though, where she's… she's saying here, and she's, like, driven off the necklace. It makes it look so ethereal. Like, Hazel's true form is very ethereal. Like, she's a very.
37:26
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah. Well, she's an angel.
37:28
Matt & Belle: Yeah, really.
37:28
Tad Eggleston: level.
37:31
Tad Eggleston: Wait a minute, is she the new idea from Preacher?
37:46
Tad Eggleston: Ugh… I've read too many comics.
37:52
Lee Woods: True.
37:53
Matt & Belle: And the corner is clipped on the panel of her…
37:56
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I still haven't figured out why corners get clipped.
38:01
Tad Eggleston: Still working on that.
38:02
Matt & Belle: look at…
38:02
Tad Eggleston: This one's clipped too.
38:04
Matt & Belle: Yup.
38:05
Matt & Belle: And the bottom… and go back a page, the bottom tails clipped on the lower right.
38:10
Lee Woods: Yep.
38:16
Matt & Belle: See ya?
38:17
Tad Eggleston: I do.
38:20
Matt & Belle: Oh, did anyone catch the microphone that had an ear?
38:23
Matt & Belle: Popping out of it.
38:25
Tad Eggleston: Where was that?
38:26
Matt & Belle: Oh, what? When, when, when, when, the blue…
38:31
Matt & Belle: When the reporter is interviewing the…
38:34
Matt & Belle: The microphone is just a stick with an ear on the end of it. Oh, we haven't gotten there yet. Okay.
38:40
Tad Eggleston: Okay, that's coming up.
38:42
Matt & Belle: It is, and it's a crazy moment, too. I fucking love it.
38:45
Tad Eggleston: But nobody's given real thoughts. Is Hazel too trusting?
38:50
Matt & Belle: I think she is, but…
38:51
Tad Eggleston: Is this gonna work out okay?
38:53
Matt & Belle: I don't think this one is gonna bite her in the ass. I think she's okay with this one, just because of how she said, my best friend for life, in the previous, like, narration, so we know this is a good one already from people.
39:02
Tad Eggleston: But we also know already that, like.
39:05
Tad Eggleston: Sometimes they go… like, Prince Robot became a friend of theirs. We all grudgingly wound up liking Prince Robot by the end.
39:16
Josh Eiserike: Yup.
39:18
Matt & Belle: True.
39:20
Matt & Belle: Yeah, even though he killed Marco.
39:24
Tad Eggleston: Prince Robot didn't kill Marco.
39:25
Matt & Belle: No, you're right, it was the will.
39:27
Tad Eggleston: Yay!
39:28
Matt & Belle: Yeah.
39:29
Tad Eggleston: The will killed Prince Robot!
39:31
Matt & Belle: Right.
39:32
Tad Eggleston: That's another reason that we don't like the will.
39:34
Matt & Belle: Exactly, yes! Sorry, my brain went and twisted on me. I just like Emesis. I just, I want to be Team Emesis so bad. I want Hazel to have a friend so bad.
39:44
Tad Eggleston: I do think it's cool that it's the same species as the stalk.
39:49
Matt & Belle: I do too.
39:50
Matt & Belle: And isn't it the same species that taught her how to play guitar on the pirate ship?
39:54
Tad Eggleston: Maybe?
39:56
Lee Woods: Missing the fangs.
39:58
Lee Woods: But I think so.
40:03
Lee Woods: Yeah, I… yes.
40:05
Lee Woods: Hazel is too trusting, but also, I wonder, too, up until this point.
40:11
Lee Woods: How many… just how many, stable relationships she's had.
40:15
Josh Eiserike: Yeah…
40:17
Lee Woods: So then… Being able to connect with someone around her same age.
40:22
Lee Woods: It's like, oh yeah, here's my life story.
40:25
Lee Woods: Without understanding, like, the repercussions, because who knows? You may never…
40:31
Lee Woods: Get to really connect with somebody again.
40:38
Matt & Belle: Yeah, it's good for her.
40:40
Lee Woods: It's what she wants.
40:41
Matt & Belle: Right now.
40:41
Lee Woods: I don't know.
40:44
Lee Woods: I don't know, maybe it's just because I'm too traumatized by BKV's writing, but… I'm like, I'm just waiting for it to drop. That's… okay. They know now.
40:53
Matt & Belle: Cause you know it's gonna.
40:54
Josh Eiserike: Yup!
40:56
Tad Eggleston: I, I, I do, I do love the,
41:06
Tad Eggleston: I love the knife to the eye.
41:09
Matt & Belle: Yeah, and the shank, shank, shank, that's great.
41:12
Tad Eggleston: Right.
41:14
Lee Woods: Heh.
41:15
Josh Eiserike: And a nice little transition to the dinner.
41:17
Lee Woods: I tell you, love that.
41:19
Tad Eggleston: Though this also broke my heart to find out she was shooting herself with the heartbreaker.
41:24
Matt & Belle: Yeah, that was pretty sad.
41:26
Tad Eggleston: Ugh…
41:32
Matt & Belle: But even, like, even she gets, like, a slight bit vulnerable, and then she senses it, and she just immediately is back to normal Alana.
41:39
Tad Eggleston: Called her by her name.
41:40
Matt & Belle: cover for.
41:40
Tad Eggleston: He called her by her name.
41:42
Matt & Belle: Yup. Yup.
41:44
Matt & Belle: Fuck, do you know my name, bitch?
41:46
Tad Eggleston: Right.
41:47
Lee Woods: Wait, wait, can we go back to the…
41:51
Tad Eggleston: I do love… Private dick.
41:53
Lee Woods: I love… you're a jigolo?
41:55
Josh Eiserike: There you go.
41:55
Lee Woods: Like.
41:56
Matt & Belle: Yeah.
41:57
Josh Eiserike: Scoping.
41:58
Lee Woods: I agree.
42:00
Tad Eggleston: What? No!
42:02
Matt & Belle: I'm an independent, an independent individual!
42:04
Tad Eggleston: investigator, then say that!
42:06
Matt & Belle: It's, it's, like, rough to develop.
42:08
Tad Eggleston: Say those!
42:08
Matt & Belle: Louis, hear what you're saying?
42:18
Tad Eggleston: Oh… This is the first time we've seen a lot of, like…
42:24
Matt & Belle: Vulnerable?
42:25
Tad Eggleston: Vulnerable in a while.
42:26
Matt & Belle: Yep.
42:28
Tad Eggleston: And then we get to see Goose vulnerable.
42:33
Tad Eggleston: I do love that the police stand by. Is the camera aimed at the king's head?
42:42
Matt & Belle: Yeah, stealth.
42:44
Josh Eiserike: This felt very Trumpy to me.
42:48
Josh Eiserike: Very trumpy.
42:50
Tad Eggleston: And that it's 10 is the teleprompter.
42:54
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
42:57
Matt & Belle: It was so robot kingdom, honestly, it was done perfectly for them. Yep. And I love that the cameras are always eyeballs. Yep. And speakers are mouths, that's great.
43:05
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah. We wish the best to our longtime allies.
43:11
Tad Eggleston: Now, for the good of our people, we must forge a new special relationship. So effective immediately, the robot kingdom henceforth stands united with the moon of Wreath.
43:23
Tad Eggleston: us all. It's like, wait a minute.
43:25
Josh Eiserike: Thank you for your attention to this matter.
43:27
Matt & Belle: What's the matter?
43:28
Tad Eggleston: We wish the best to our allies, and now we stand with their enemies.
43:36
Josh Eiserike: And there's… what's his name? Bombazier?
43:39
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Bomba… Bombazine. Bombazine.
43:41
Josh Eiserike: Bombazelle? Bombazier? I don't remember. Bombazier?
43:43
Tad Eggleston: It's right here.
43:45
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
43:46
Tad Eggleston: So, he… he… it looks like he'll be coming back.
43:50
Tad Eggleston: That's the feeling I get. I mean, for that matter, this… this has me feeling like… like,
43:59
Tad Eggleston: special edition ending to Return of the Jedi.
44:05
Matt & Belle: Nope.
44:07
Tad Eggleston: Let's go see how the news is taken all over the galaxy.
44:13
Matt & Belle: Holy Gosh Almighty! Pardon, Courtney Goose's blasphemy!
44:17
Matt & Belle: I love goose! Part of Goose is blasphemous. I just love Goose.
44:22
Tad Eggleston: Say it was warranted.
44:23
Matt & Belle: Artifacts.
44:26
Matt & Belle: He's my favorite.
44:27
Josh Eiserike: Butters from South Park, every time I see goose.
44:30
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
44:34
Tad Eggleston: I love the laughter from… Agent Gale.
44:39
Matt & Belle: Yeah.
44:44
Matt & Belle: No, because Gail knows things, so that scares me.
44:47
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah?
44:49
Tad Eggleston: Backstabbing androids just gave my leaders permission to unleash every secret weapon from our most forbidden arsenals.
44:55
Matt & Belle: Personality, yup.
44:59
Tad Eggleston: I love how we didn't see anything about Petracor and… and…
45:04
Matt & Belle: The teacher…
45:04
Tad Eggleston: Maureen getting together, we just… When we get to here, it's like, oh!
45:10
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, of course. Okay.
45:12
Lee Woods: Yeah, of course.
45:13
Matt & Belle: But you know what? Didn't bother me at all.
45:15
Tad Eggleston: No, I loved it! I loved it!
45:18
Matt & Belle: With the 1970s fireplace, I mean, this is.
45:21
Tad Eggleston: Awesome!
45:21
Matt & Belle: so…
45:22
Tad Eggleston: Right?
45:26
Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, it's in, it's in, like, the Triangle House.
45:29
Josh Eiserike: A-frame.
45:31
Tad Eggleston: A-frame, yeah.
45:32
Matt & Belle: Yeah.
45:35
Josh Eiserike: I mean.
45:35
Matt & Belle: Congratulations!
45:37
Josh Eiserike: Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
45:38
Matt & Belle: Oh, I also googled, I googled what Elacato meant.
45:43
Tad Eggleston: What does it mean?
45:43
Matt & Belle: to know exactly what that meant. It's redemption.
45:46
Tad Eggleston: Wow.
45:47
Matt & Belle: I googled it. I googled it to know exactly.
45:49
Tad Eggleston: I knew that.
45:50
Matt & Belle: Because I was like, I need to know what Petrichor's after, because I was… I was really glad.
45:54
Tad Eggleston: That's…
45:54
Matt & Belle: Before I was introduced again, we didn't see, her for a really.
45:57
Tad Eggleston: Right.
45:57
Matt & Belle: No, not retribution, redemption. Redemption. Gotcha.
46:01
Tad Eggleston: Well, and there's…
46:02
Matt & Belle: Prior to that.
46:03
Tad Eggleston: There's grandma. So what do you want to bet part of redemption's actually getting Grandma out of prison and back to…
46:10
Matt & Belle: That's what I think. If Grandma's willing to go, she'd had the chance before.
46:14
Tad Eggleston: Well, but if she's getting more people out of prison, she might be willing to.
46:18
Matt & Belle: Yeah, that's true.
46:19
Tad Eggleston: She's able to show…
46:21
Matt & Belle: And now that she's on the side of the powerful… Right, right. Yeah, yeah, anything's possible. And she also has Noreen on her side, so…
46:28
Tad Eggleston: I do love that, that, that you've already got,
46:36
Tad Eggleston: Gwendolyn and her wife back together.
46:41
Matt & Belle: Yeah, but I feel like this cowgirl with the skunk on her shoulder is gonna either become a character.
46:48
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
46:48
Matt & Belle: Why are they zooming in on her like that?
46:51
Tad Eggleston: That was my next question, is this major foreshadowing, a total red herring, or am I supposed to remember her from somewhere?
47:01
Josh Eiserike: I thought I had forgotten her.
47:05
Lee Woods: I… I'm a sucker for a Chekhov's gun. I think everything's important, so…
47:13
Lee Woods: I just… to me, in my head, she's Dolly Parton, so, yeah.
47:18
Matt & Belle: I thought it was Jolene, but whatever.
47:20
Lee Woods: Huh? Enjoy.
47:25
Tad Eggleston: And how can Fiona make a skunk that cute?
47:28
Matt & Belle: Yeah, tell me about it.
47:29
Lee Woods: Yes.
47:30
Matt & Belle: Ducks are super cute.
47:31
Josh Eiserike: They're just smelly.
47:33
Lee Woods: When scared, they can be.
47:35
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
47:36
Tad Eggleston: And why… Lion Cat appears to be, like… Did he get abandoned by… Gwen and her honey?
47:45
Tad Eggleston: Or did he…
47:46
Josh Eiserike: Or that's just another flying pet.
47:48
Tad Eggleston: I don't think so.
47:52
Josh Eiserike: I don't answer.
47:53
Tad Eggleston: Because if it was, I would expect him to be somewhere in the picture with Gwen and her honey.
48:03
Lee Woods: Yeah, I took that as another lion cap.
48:05
Lee Woods: That's interesting.
48:06
Tad Eggleston: No, I think that's Lion Cat.
48:08
Matt & Belle: V-Line cap.
48:09
Tad Eggleston: Lion Cat.
48:12
Tad Eggleston: I do love this scene, too.
48:14
Matt & Belle: Oh, I really dug this.
48:16
Josh Eiserike: Yeah, this was cool.
48:18
Tad Eggleston: Why would he not tell us?
48:20
Matt & Belle: Yup.
48:20
Tad Eggleston: Because you're worthless. Well, I mean, that could be a reason.
48:25
Matt & Belle: CYU.
48:26
Tad Eggleston: On the other hand… Yeah.
48:30
Matt & Belle: And I love how you totally think this guy's going down, and he just mows everyone else down.
48:40
Josh Eiserike: Very Star Wars, what is it, like, Order 66, or whatever that stupid thing was? Yeah.
48:45
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
48:47
Matt & Belle: It just shows how powerful the robot kingdom really is. It is, exactly, yes. Like, will Landfall even stand a chance without the Robot Kingdom, is what I'm thinking.
48:55
Tad Eggleston: I mean, it all depends on what their secret weapons are, and how much they're willing to, like…
49:00
Matt & Belle: Usually…
49:00
Tad Eggleston: the Galaxy.
49:02
Matt & Belle: I love the seashell spaceships, by the way, in the next, page.
49:06
Matt & Belle: I… I collected seashells as a kid. I just sorted them, actually, today. So it was very… it was very on point for me to see the seashells. Oh, I dug the van with the dragon on the side, too. Oh, yeah.
49:17
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
49:19
Matt & Belle: very.
49:20
Tad Eggleston: Apropos.
49:21
Matt & Belle: What's the word I'm looking for? Appropriate.
49:23
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
49:24
Tad Eggleston: And that's where we…
49:33
Lee Woods: This one was a… This one's a ride.
49:36
Tad Eggleston: This is a total ride.
49:38
Tad Eggleston: an amazing ride. Actually, you know what the van reminds me of?
49:43
Tad Eggleston: Spaceballs.
49:45
Josh Eiserike: Yo, yeah.
49:45
Matt & Belle: It's a cross between Spaceballs and the shuttle from the first Star Trek show.
49:51
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
49:54
Tad Eggleston: With a dragon.
49:56
Tad Eggleston: the size.
49:58
Matt & Belle: Two men, there's not a wizard on it.
50:04
Tad Eggleston: Ugh… Why do I have to wait so long for the next volume?
50:09
Matt & Belle: I know. I actually was on the phone with a friend earlier today, and I've been trying to get this friend into Saga for the longest time. Turns out his best friend is now reading Saga. Now he has two friends reading Saga telling him to read Saga, and I didn't even mean to get the other guy into it, but he read it anyway, and he's real far into the series now.
50:26
Tad Eggleston: I mean, it looks like they've got, Lapidia Nyangao…
50:30
Tad Eggleston: the, the, the Maz Kanata volunteered to Vanity Fair that, that she loves saga.
50:39
Tad Eggleston: At least, I can't imagine Vanity Fair would have been asking her about Saga to get the poll quote.
50:46
Tad Eggleston: That had to have come up with in, like, the… the…
50:50
Tad Eggleston: What are you reading, what do you love, type.
50:53
Tad Eggleston: Question.
50:54
Matt & Belle: Yeah.
50:54
Tad Eggleston: Right.
50:59
Tad Eggleston: So… ugh.
51:03
Tad Eggleston: I don't even know what's coming next.
51:05
Matt & Belle: I'm scared.
51:06
Tad Eggleston: I think that's what… I'm scared, I'm hopeful…
51:10
Lee Woods: I'm ready, I've just… I… I'm ready. I'm diving in.
51:14
Tad Eggleston: Definitely ready to be reading again?
51:16
Matt & Belle: I'm glad I all caught up.
51:18
Tad Eggleston: Hopefully it's sooner rather than later.
51:21
Tad Eggleston: Cause, like, the longer I have to wait to see more, the harder it will be.
51:28
Josh Eiserike: So… the issues that will make up Volume 13 haven't started yet, is that correct?
51:34
Tad Eggleston: No.
51:35
Matt & Belle: I knew, yeah.
51:36
Tad Eggleston: I think we're looking at October right now. Yeah. That's why at the beginning of the episode, I said we're gonna have to come up with something to read for, like, the next…
51:45
Tad Eggleston: July, August, September, at least 3 months.
51:49
Matt & Belle: It's good, it's good. I need it, because I'll be into my PhD by the time.
51:52
Tad Eggleston: It's more.
51:53
Matt & Belle: a book, and I need a comic book.
51:54
Tad Eggleston: 4 months, because we probably shouldn't talk about the October issue until November. So we need to come up with.
52:00
Matt & Belle: I'm with me. Day before the next one's released. Oh, yeah.
52:06
Lee Woods: Hell yeah.
52:09
Matt & Belle: We'll call it Spoiler Alert!
52:12
Lee Woods: call it, if you know, you know.
52:14
Tad Eggleston: I will never, ever be given an advance reader of a thing again.
52:19
Matt & Belle: Yeah, no, I'm kidding, I'm teasing.
52:21
Lee Woods: estimate.
52:22
Matt & Belle: It's too funny.
52:25
Tad Eggleston: We will have to record some sort of spoiler thing to put at the beginning of all the saga, you know. If you have not read issue number 7273, do not listen to this podcast!
52:41
Lee Woods: Yeah.
52:42
Matt & Belle: That's hilarious.
52:46
Lee Woods: But we are on the same page about the… are we doing issue by issue, or are we doing…
52:50
Tad Eggleston: I think we should do issue by issue when it comes.
52:51
Matt & Belle: I do, too. And do a real deep dive, like, nitty-gritty. Yes.
52:56
Matt & Belle: the detail on this panel on that page… It needs it. Saga deserved it, and we couldn't give it all to it, because there was too much…
53:03
Tad Eggleston: But here's my question, and, and, like…
53:06
Tad Eggleston: It'd be slightly denser reading, and I don't know if I have digital copies. Matt, do you have mind management?
53:13
Matt & Belle: I have the first volume.
53:14
Tad Eggleston: Only the first volume.
53:15
Matt & Belle: Only the first volume.
53:17
Matt & Belle: Okay. Hardcover.
53:20
Tad Eggleston: Cool, but…
53:21
Matt & Belle: Awesome, Matt, thanks!
53:26
Tad Eggleston: But also, if you have the hardcover, you have the first volume, not the first compendium.
53:32
Matt & Belle: First volume, that's what I said.
53:34
Tad Eggleston: At this point, it's bought in compendiums, which are really, like, 3 volumes. Yes, yes, yes.
53:42
Tad Eggleston: So, so that would be a bad one to do as our fill-in.
53:46
Tad Eggleston: Boog, it'd be a tough one to do on a monthly basis. Well, wouldn't it be impossible to do on a monthly basis?
53:53
Tad Eggleston: Doing compendiums at a time, but it's… it's not… They're not short reads.
53:59
Lee Woods: Can I throw an idea out there, and feel free to throw it back at me. Sure. Is,
54:04
Lee Woods: If staying on track with Saga, looking at or reading works by Fiona Staples and or Brian K. Vaughan.
54:11
Tad Eggleston: I mean, Fiona hasn't done a ton of non-staples, or non-Saga stuff, she did…
54:17
Josh Eiserike: tree.
54:18
Tad Eggleston: She did 3 issues of Archie, she did, like, North Dallas something.
54:25
Tad Eggleston: That was okay.
54:28
Tad Eggleston: She's done a handful of… like… Stories here, stories there.
54:38
Tad Eggleston: But, but, brian… Brian found… Fiona early.
54:46
Tad Eggleston: And,
54:54
Tad Eggleston: Come on.
54:56
Josh Eiserike: For what it's worth, I loved spectators and would love to talk about that.
55:00
Matt & Belle: That's a good one.
55:02
Matt & Belle: I've read that.
55:03
Lee Woods: You wanna talk about real-world issues? Holy crap.
55:07
Tad Eggleston: God.
55:10
Josh Eiserike: With some offers.
55:11
Tad Eggleston: spectators.
55:12
Lee Woods: I literally was just like, alright, like, I'm just gonna read this as, like, a… in bed, like, 9… 10, 10.30. And I'm like, I read it, I'm just like, okay, let me just read, like, a chapter or two.
55:27
Lee Woods: I could not put that book down until, like, 2 AM.
55:31
Josh Eiserike: Right?
55:31
Lee Woods: finish it that night.
55:32
Josh Eiserike: I was reading it as it was coming out, serialized. We should stop this conversation, we should talk about it next month. That's my pitch.
55:39
Tad Eggleston: I do. I think… I think we should do… I think we should do Spectators. Yeah, let's do spectators.
55:45
Matt & Belle: theaters. Sure.
55:46
Tad Eggleston: I'm trying to decide if there's any Fiona interesting stuff for…
55:55
Tad Eggleston: She was in 16 issues of… 2000 AD?
56:01
Tad Eggleston: Might have to figure out…
56:03
Tad Eggleston: Were they con- they were consecutive, so she must have had a story in 2000 AD. I'm gonna have to look that up.
56:11
Tad Eggleston: North 40 was okay.
56:17
Tad Eggleston: Dv8 was okay…
56:21
Tad Eggleston: I mean, really, a lot of the issues are some of the other stuff that she's gotten to do, just the… the quality of the writing to go with it wasn't…
56:29
Tad Eggleston: You could see her… And Brian did.
56:35
Tad Eggleston: You can see her talent coming through, but… but… what was…
56:55
Tad Eggleston: Authority Hawksmoor, I think, was the one.
57:02
Tad Eggleston: That made him think that she could do this.
57:06
Tad Eggleston: Who wrote that, though?
57:15
Matt & Belle: bone?
57:16
Tad Eggleston: Mike Costa? I mean…
57:18
Matt & Belle: What did you lean on?
57:28
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, that's right, she did a Jonah Hex issue that was amazing.
57:36
Lee Woods: Oh, just to make sure I'm clear, because I've been…
57:39
Lee Woods: misunderstanding this. Do we want to do the…
57:44
Lee Woods: If we do mine management, are we doing the Omni, or are we doing the trade?
57:49
Lee Woods: I know we don't fixers now.
57:51
Tad Eggleston: Be splitting it up into the 3 omnibuses.
57:54
Lee Woods: Okay.
57:55
Tad Eggleston: Rather than trying to track down the trades.
57:58
Lee Woods: Got it.
57:58
Tad Eggleston: Because that's how it's most commonly printed now.
58:01
Tad Eggleston: But I don't think that's gonna be in this break. I don't think there's enough time to do it justice.
58:06
Lee Woods: Oh, that's right, okay.
58:07
Tad Eggleston: I think it's gonna be spectators next.
58:09
Matt & Belle: Can we do…
58:10
Tad Eggleston: looking to see if there was anything from Fiona Staples that was really worth jumping on.
58:15
Tad Eggleston: Other than Saga.
58:18
Tad Eggleston: And I think, like… The best option for that is probably the…
58:24
Tad Eggleston: 3 issues of Archie that she did.
58:29
Josh Eiserike: I'm all for that, too, because as with spectators, I own it, so that's easy.
58:34
Lee Woods: Right, same.
58:36
Lee Woods: Matt Bell, what were y'all trying to say, sorry?
58:40
Matt & Belle: Well, we're just still worried about, Red Handed by Matt Ken.
58:44
Lee Woods: Oh, red-handed.
58:45
Tad Eggleston: Alright.
58:46
Tad Eggleston: So… so… I… I am in favor of Red Handed by Matt Kent. I don't know if it's available digitally, so it's gonna be a matter of whether we can get into everybody's hands.
58:57
Tad Eggleston: So, what I propose is spectator… and I love how we're doing this on air, because that's just how I roll. But I propose spectators for next month.
59:07
Matt & Belle: I don't know.
59:07
Tad Eggleston: The Mark Waid, Fiona Staples.
59:11
Tad Eggleston: Archie. Archie for the month after.
59:15
Tad Eggleston: And if everybody can manage to put hands on Red Handed, or I can manage to find reader copies, then we'll do Red Handed.
59:25
Tad Eggleston: For what is hopefully the last month before.
59:28
Tad Eggleston: Saga comes back.
59:30
Matt & Belle: Yippee!
59:32
Tad Eggleston: Because I love me some red-handed, too.
59:35
Tad Eggleston: It's like mind management in one volume in a small town, rather than the world.
59:42
Lee Woods: This is Rich White.
59:43
Tad Eggleston: Belle wants to read Mind Management.
59:44
Matt & Belle: It was what got me back into reading. Diary of a Woofy Kid did it first, in, like, 5th grade, and Matt Kent, with Red Handed did it in high school.
59:52
Tad Eggleston: Matt's amazing.
59:53
Matt & Belle: He got me back into reading, and then I read Saga, and it was over for the world.
59:59
Tad Eggleston: And now you're going after your PhD.
1:00:02
Matt & Belle: Yeah, right?
1:00:03
Tad Eggleston: You could have been a fry cook at McDonald's, but Matt Kent…
1:00:08
Matt & Belle: Had other plans.
1:00:09
Tad Eggleston: Fiona Staples had other plans for you.
1:00:20
Josh Eiserike: Matt, can I make a quick request?
1:00:22
Tad Eggleston: Sure.
1:00:23
Josh Eiserike: I'm looking at the calendar. Can we flip Archie and Spectators, actually? Just because I'll be traveling, and my copy of Spectators is signed, and I do not want to bring it with me. That is a very selfish request, but if we can do that, I'd be happy.
1:00:35
Tad Eggleston: So, 3 issues, Archie, for next…
1:00:38
Tad Eggleston: Well, I think it's even in a folder that I shared with you guys.
1:00:43
Tad Eggleston: I put spectators in a digital copy.
1:00:50
Tad Eggleston: in the same folder that you put that Vaughn script in.
1:00:52
Josh Eiserike: Oh, also my, my Archie is signed too, so never mind.
1:00:57
Josh Eiserike: I was like, wait a sec.
1:00:59
Matt & Belle: That's hilarious.
1:01:01
Tad Eggleston: Well, then, then since I know that I shared the… the… the PDF… from the tower.
1:01:10
Tad Eggleston: with everybody. We'll do spectators first, because I know that everybody has that digitally, if… if no other way. And is your Archie signed by Wade or Staples?
1:01:20
Josh Eiserike: Wade.
1:01:21
Matt & Belle: Way, clearly.
1:01:22
Tad Eggleston: I was fined by Staples, I was gonna, like…
1:01:26
Tad Eggleston: Learn how to be a cat burglar.
1:01:29
Josh Eiserike: No.
1:01:31
Josh Eiserike: Definitely not.
1:01:32
Matt & Belle: Hilarious.
1:01:33
Tad Eggleston: So, okay.
1:01:36
Matt & Belle: That would be reasonable.
1:01:38
Tad Eggleston: Spectators?
1:01:39
Tad Eggleston: And then Archie… And then probably red-handed.
1:01:44
Tad Eggleston: Though, again, it's a matter of… well, it looks like it might be…
1:01:49
Tad Eggleston: Available directly from MACKINT for $25, which is good, because the Amazon price for it is, like, $75.
1:02:05
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:02:07
Tad Eggleston: We won't.
1:02:08
Tad Eggleston: I think that's… I think that's a reasonable.
1:02:10
Matt & Belle: Are we still on air? Yes, we are.
1:02:12
Tad Eggleston: Of course we are.
1:02:13
Lee Woods: Hell yeah, we are.
1:02:15
Tad Eggleston: Of course we are.
1:02:16
Matt & Belle: Dead air.
1:02:18
Tad Eggleston: Matt's gonna take us out now, it's time.
1:02:21
Matt & Belle: And we'll continue after the next page.