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Rookie Transitions and AFC South Dynamic | Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, May 4 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, May the fourth. This is Jaguars Happy
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  Speaker 1: Hour and now founding member of the sports Broadcast News
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  Speaker 1: Transfer Portal.
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  Speaker 2: J P. Chafer, Welcome in. It is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 2: My name's j. P. Shadwick. We've got a busy hour
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  Speaker 2: ahead recapping the draft. The Jaguars came away with thirteen players.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get Jeff Logman's thoughts on that. The offseason program
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  Speaker 2: continues Phase two. Players on the practice field and the
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  Speaker 2: coaches are out there too with them for the first
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  Speaker 2: time this week, and they've got two more weeks of that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into that coming up. We'll go around the
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  Speaker 2: National Football League and we'll discuss the AFC South quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: that were drafted. Everybody's playing catch up to the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: We welcome in, Flogged when Jaguars analyst, former Jet, former
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  Speaker 2: Jaguar current analysts. How are you good. I'm good. Good
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  Speaker 2: to see I haven't seen you since Thursday night.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, such a long time. Yeah, big big week, A
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  Speaker 3: whole week, big week now. I was It was an
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  Speaker 3: exciting draft. It was a lot of fun watching the
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  Speaker 3: opening night of the draft, and I thought the Jaguars
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  Speaker 3: did an amazing job of trading down and still getting
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  Speaker 3: the guy that they wanted. You know, I think that's
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  Speaker 3: the biggest thing that I like about the draft and
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  Speaker 3: how it went for the Jaguars. It's just because when
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  Speaker 3: you look at the draft, it's a it's a numbers game.
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  Speaker 3: It's a percentages game. You have to go into the
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  Speaker 3: draft knowing that you're not going to hit on every pick.
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  Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: It's so you you have to say, Okay, the more
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  Speaker 3: picks we have, the better chance that we have at success.
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  Speaker 3: And the Jaguars were able to trade down and round
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  Speaker 3: one twice to pick up extra picks, and that gives
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  Speaker 3: them a better and so finding talent later in the draft,
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  Speaker 3: because again it's a percentage game.
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  Speaker 2: The more darts you can throw at the dart board, maybe.
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  Speaker 3: You'll hit some Oh yeah, I mean even somebody who's
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  Speaker 3: not very good at darts is going to get a
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  Speaker 3: hit if you give them enough darts, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: so even some folks that aren't good with personnel. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that that's the Jaguar. I think the
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars have done a very good job from a personnel standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: but the better you know, the more darts you have,
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  Speaker 3: the better opportunity you have. And so you know, you
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  Speaker 3: go and you look at their draft and I was
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  Speaker 3: sitting there at first night and I was telling you,
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  Speaker 3: I said, there's no way.
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  Speaker 2: That they're going to end up with eleven or twelve picks.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think so either.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the night that they're going to
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  Speaker 3: package some of these picks and probably move up in
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  Speaker 3: the midlean rounds whether that be round three, four or five,
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  Speaker 3: and try to combine some opportunities there.
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  Speaker 2: But I was shocked. Well, apparently they tried to move
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  Speaker 2: back up into the third round later and nobody played
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  Speaker 2: ball with them. That's okay. And then you go into
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  Speaker 2: Saturday with ten picks going into the day and they
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  Speaker 2: ended up with ten players and an additional pick in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four to go with that, which is a
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  Speaker 2: good thing.
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  Speaker 3: Again, you know, the more draft equity that you have
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  Speaker 3: in the future, just like in the draft that you're
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  Speaker 3: currently in, the better you have.
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  Speaker 2: That's chance you have its success. We're on Tenson Amjaguars
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into the draft pick review at least the
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  Speaker 2: first five rounds or so. Next week, going into rookie
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  Speaker 2: mini camp, we'll dig into the last two rounds and
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  Speaker 2: the undrafted free agent guys and really kind of getting
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  Speaker 2: the weeds there on those guys. Going in to the
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  Speaker 2: weekend next week, of course, we'll talk about, as we said,
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  Speaker 2: the AFC South quarterbacks coming up. There were a lot
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  Speaker 2: of activity early in the first round with the other
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  Speaker 2: AFC South teams trying to catch up with Trevor Lawrence
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  Speaker 2: and the Jags there. But the Jaguars had the twenty
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  Speaker 2: fourth pick. They traded back twice, as you said, Lox
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  Speaker 2: to get Anton Harrison at number two, twenty seven overall.
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  Speaker 2: The Oklahoma tackle, well, he's playing right tackle here. He
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  Speaker 2: played only one game there last season in a pinch
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  Speaker 2: for the Sooners.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the game went good. I actually played that
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  Speaker 4: game with no practice that right tackle. There was a
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  Speaker 4: late witch in a roster I mean, so our right
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  Speaker 4: tackle got out late in the game week, so I
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  Speaker 4: had no practician went in to that game. I feel
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  Speaker 4: like I played good. It's an easy natural switch for me.
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  Speaker 4: I say, it's no letoff right and left side, so
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  Speaker 4: I feel confident.
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  Speaker 2: In both sides. He's confident he should be. Doug Peterson
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  Speaker 2: said after the drafts that he'll be at right tackle
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  Speaker 2: right away and let's see what happens with the big guy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, I thought that he was the second best
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  Speaker 3: left tackle in the draft from watching the whole group
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  Speaker 3: of them. I thought the best guy was at Ohio State.
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  Speaker 3: That was Paris Johnson and good football player. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of people felt that Broderick Jones from Georgia was the
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  Speaker 3: second best.
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  Speaker 2: I disagree with that.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's really raw. Well, what I like most
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  Speaker 3: about Anton Harrison is that he's polished. He's got really
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  Speaker 3: good hands, he's got really good feet, He's patient. I
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  Speaker 3: think the most impressive thing that he does is how
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  Speaker 3: he finishes. He just finishes blocks. And you've heard me
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  Speaker 3: probably many times say throughout the years that, look, I
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  Speaker 3: want offensive lineman that finish, you know, because when you finish,
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  Speaker 3: it gives you a better opportunity at success in the
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  Speaker 3: past game, end in the run game. And that's what
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  Speaker 3: I love about Anton is that he finishes the plays
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  Speaker 3: all the time, not some of the time, all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I think he could get a little bit stronger. But
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  Speaker 3: that's part of the progression, you know, when you're a
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  Speaker 3: young man. That's one of the parts that just kind
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  Speaker 3: of comes with the territory when you get a little
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  Speaker 3: bit older. And I think he'll gain some of that
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  Speaker 3: because when he gets power rush, sometimes he's got to
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  Speaker 3: do a little bit better job of putting the anchor out.
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  Speaker 3: But the great thing is is that you can teach
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  Speaker 3: that and then you can work towards that. What you
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  Speaker 3: can't teach is athleticism and feet, and he's got both
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  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 2: You know. As the years have gone by, especially the
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  Speaker 2: last let's say five seven years in college football, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's probably become a little harder to find true
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  Speaker 2: NFL style offensive line play because of the way offenses
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  Speaker 2: are played in college football. It's spread. It's go to
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  Speaker 2: the line, look at the sideline for a play call,
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  Speaker 2: and then you're up. You're not really there's not a
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  Speaker 2: lot of power football teams anymore. In college football is
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  Speaker 2: spreading out. So have you seen that over the last
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  Speaker 2: number of years. I mean, it's tough to find true
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  Speaker 2: Back in the old days, you'd find a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: NFL caliber left tackles in that right change and when
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  Speaker 2: you see a lot of the well, sometimes you do,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you don't. But when you see a lot of
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  Speaker 2: that reaid option stuff, it's hard to evaluate because in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL you have five and seven step drop back
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  Speaker 2: passing game. If you don't have that in college, how
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  Speaker 2: can you evaluate an offensive lineman if he's not doing it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a guessing game. Really, it's a you know, looking ahead,
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  Speaker 2: can he do this?
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  Speaker 3: That's why they call you know, they use the term
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  Speaker 3: projection or projecting a guy in the NFL style of play,
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  Speaker 3: and that's hard to do. It's always better and I
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  Speaker 3: think it's more consistent evaluation when you are able to
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  Speaker 3: evaluate a player doing what you're actually going to ask
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  Speaker 3: them to do. I think that's why it's so much
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  Speaker 3: easier to evaluate a running back and coming from college
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  Speaker 3: to the pros, because he's running the ball okay, you're
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  Speaker 3: asking him to do the same exact thing that he
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  Speaker 3: was doing in college. And with offensive linemen it's a
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  Speaker 3: little different. With pass rushers, it also is a little
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  Speaker 3: different because again you're not having the five and seven
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  Speaker 3: step drop. So but I really like the pick. I
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  Speaker 3: really like again the fact that they were able to
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  Speaker 3: trade back and still get their guy, and with the
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  Speaker 3: situation with Cam Robinson and also with them losing Juwan
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  Speaker 3: Taylor or I think that's an excellent pick for them.
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  Speaker 2: Shaguars Happy are on ten ten excel Am, Jaguars dot Com,
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  Speaker 2: JP Shadwick, Jeff Logoman. Let's move down to the second
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  Speaker 2: round and Penn State tied end Brenton Strange. Versatility is key.
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  Speaker 2: He lined up everywhere for the Nitney Lions, and it's
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  Speaker 2: the same idea here in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 5: So I would say definitely my best footballs ahead of me.
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  Speaker 5: But my strengths are I can I can provide a lot.
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  Speaker 5: I'm very versatile. You can put me anywhere on the
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  Speaker 5: offense and be effective. Played a while, I played the
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  Speaker 5: age and I played full bag, so you can put
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  Speaker 5: me in multiple different positions to be able to impact
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  Speaker 5: the game.
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  Speaker 2: And that's my best strength.
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  Speaker 5: And I just can't wait to be a part of
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  Speaker 5: the team, help us win games and make plays for I.
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  Speaker 2: Did the Penn State Auburn game on radio this year
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  Speaker 2: logs at Turtan Hair and it was the first time
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  Speaker 2: they had hosted a Big ten team in that stadium ever.
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  Speaker 2: Penn State went in there and beat the heck out
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  Speaker 2: of Auburn. Pretty good front seven on defense, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: three drafted guys in this draft out of that front seven,
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  Speaker 2: and Brenton Strange all over the field, lining up different places,
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  Speaker 2: lead blocking. He had his best receiving day of the
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  Speaker 2: season six catches eighty yards, but he's leading away on
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  Speaker 2: big explosive runs and he was everywhere for the Penn
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  Speaker 2: State Nitney line.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. When they made this pick, I had not watched him.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I watched guys that were viewed as first
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  Speaker 3: round talents as far as evaluating those, which are probably
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  Speaker 3: like sixty sixty some guys that I watched in preparation
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  Speaker 3: for the draft for our purposes.
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  Speaker 2: On the show.
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  Speaker 3: So now here's a guy that wasn't on my list.
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  Speaker 3: Let me go back and watch him. And I believe
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  Speaker 3: Darnell Washington was available at that time, the tight end
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  Speaker 3: from Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the big guy number.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people would have been saying, or probably
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  Speaker 3: were thinking themselves, well, why would you select this guy
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  Speaker 3: Brenton Strange from Penn State when Washington is available from Georgia.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, well find the answer. Let's
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  Speaker 3: turn the tape on, and that's what I did. And
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  Speaker 3: when I turned the tape on, I went, oh, my gosh,
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  Speaker 3: this is a Doug Peterson pick all the way. This
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  Speaker 3: guy is going to be an immediate contributor. He is
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  Speaker 3: going to hit the field in the ground running he is,
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  Speaker 3: like he was just saying, he's a why he's an
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  Speaker 3: h he's a fullback. He can do it whatever you
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  Speaker 3: ask him to do. He's got the size to be
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  Speaker 3: an on the line tight end. But I think what
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  Speaker 3: he does best is that he's a great space player.
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  Speaker 3: When I say space player, a tight end that's off
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  Speaker 3: the ball or that blocks in space but then also
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  Speaker 3: catches the ball in space. And in today's game, you're
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  Speaker 3: looking to find space players. You're not always looking to
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  Speaker 3: find the old traditional six foot five to two and
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  Speaker 3: eighty pound tight end. It's a different game. And this
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  Speaker 3: guy is going to fit in this offense perfectly, and
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  Speaker 3: they're going to love him because he is so versatile.
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  Speaker 3: He's an excellent blocker. And not only is he an excellent blocker,
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  Speaker 3: he finishes guys that he mauls them. And it's not
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  Speaker 3: always easy to find a tight end that can block
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  Speaker 3: a guy in space. A defensive back or a safety
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  Speaker 3: or a linebacker because there's too much area for the
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  Speaker 3: defender to avoid the block and get back on track.
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  Speaker 3: This guy's excellent at it, I mean, and that's a rarity.
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  Speaker 3: So excellent blocker, physical, good receiver, powerful after the catch,
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  Speaker 3: as you saw in the Auburn game. And I think
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  Speaker 3: he was probably underutilized as a.
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  Speaker 2: Receiver at Penn State when it comes to how he
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  Speaker 2: fits in the scheme with the Jaguars, obviously have an
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  Speaker 2: Ingram at tight end. If you have both tight ends
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  Speaker 2: in the field with a running back and two of
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  Speaker 2: the top three receivers on the field, how challenging can
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  Speaker 2: that be for a defense to cover because you might run,
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  Speaker 2: you might throw who you're throwing it to, how you
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  Speaker 2: getting it. It makes things extremely difficult.
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  Speaker 3: Extremely difficult when it's unpredictable. And when you have tight
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  Speaker 3: ends that can do all of the above what Brin's
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  Speaker 3: just talked about, then defensive coordinators are put in a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of a pickle. Are we going to make
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  Speaker 3: a call? First of all, you start with personnel. Is
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  Speaker 3: our personnel grouping gonna be a base personnel grouping to
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  Speaker 3: combat a run oriented tight end grouping or are we
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  Speaker 3: going to go to Nickel because they have some wide
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  Speaker 3: receiver qualities well. With Evan Ingram and this young man
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  Speaker 3: Breton Strange, I think defensive coordinators are going to be
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  Speaker 3: in a little bit of a pickle, so to speak,
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  Speaker 3: because they're not exactly sure how they're gonna want to
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  Speaker 3: play it because they can do both. Evan Ingram can block.
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  Speaker 3: Is he a dominant physical blocker like Breenton Strange. No,
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  Speaker 3: but he's capable and willing, and he's an excellent receiver.
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  Speaker 3: Strange is the better blocker, but he also is more
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  Speaker 3: than capable as a wide receiver. So that's going to
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  Speaker 3: be interesting to see how this package unfold, because I
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  Speaker 3: guarantee you this young man is going to be on
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  Speaker 3: the field Day one.
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  Speaker 2: He's the second highest tight end drafted in Jaguars history.
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  Speaker 2: Mercedes Lewis is a first round pick and he is
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  Speaker 2: what sixty first overall. Josh Oliver was a few picks later,
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  Speaker 2: just a few years ago. I got excited about him JP.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm telling you, when I was watching the film,
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  Speaker 2: the more I kept going, let me watch another play,
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  Speaker 2: let me watch another play, And before you know it,
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  Speaker 2: I watched every play that he had this past year,
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  Speaker 2: and what is a folder that they have designated for
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  Speaker 2: like a highlight in his ability and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I watched the whole thing. I was like, man,
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  Speaker 3: you know for a guy that I didn't know about.
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  Speaker 3: And so all the pre draft prognosticators have a group
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  Speaker 3: of tight ends. This young man should have been in
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  Speaker 3: that upper tier of tight ends.
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  Speaker 2: Let's touch on the third round pick now out of
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  Speaker 2: Auburn running back Tank Biggsby. He adds to a crowded
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  Speaker 2: running back room logs. Of course etns there. Deannis Johnson
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  Speaker 2: signed in the offseason. A number of names are in there.
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  Speaker 2: They got a fullback later in the draft as well,
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  Speaker 2: So you know, at some point this is a type
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  Speaker 2: of a player, or at least a mentality that he
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  Speaker 2: had at Auburn in three years of one cut, get down,
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  Speaker 2: not afraid of contact, can run a little bit, and
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  Speaker 2: it kind of gives you a little bit of you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can you can catch your breath when it's short
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  Speaker 2: yardage and you don't have to blast ETN in there
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  Speaker 2: all the time anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's a he's a I think he's a nice
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  Speaker 3: downhill back. He's got some nice cutting ability, he's got
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  Speaker 3: excellent speed. Is he a great receiver out of the backfield.
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  Speaker 3: That's not really what they ask him to do at
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  Speaker 3: Auburn A ton, So I think that's kind of a
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  Speaker 3: two to be determined type of thing. But I like
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  Speaker 3: it because he doesn't he doesn't dance before he gets
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  Speaker 3: to the hole. He's a north south type of runner.
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  Speaker 3: And the impressive thing with him is that he's made
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  Speaker 3: and he makes a ton of yards after contact, which
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  Speaker 3: look at Auburn, Auburn's days of glory are a little
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  Speaker 3: bit in their past, and their offensive line is not
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  Speaker 3: what it used to be. So he's getting a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the yardage that he's gotten really on his own.
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  Speaker 3: And you you always love it when you pick a
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  Speaker 3: guy that's proven it just in one year or two years.
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  Speaker 2: He's done it for three years with inconsistent quarterback play
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  Speaker 2: and coaching changes and scheme differences. I mean, he's been
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  Speaker 2: one of the constants in Auburn in the last three years,
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  Speaker 2: and give him some credit for sticking things out there.
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised.
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  Speaker 3: I really thought that the Jaguars would try to find
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  Speaker 3: a corner, a defensive back somewhere and whether it be
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  Speaker 3: round two or three. Understood that not happening in round one,
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  Speaker 3: but I thought maybe round two, round three would happen.
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  Speaker 3: But look, if they were staying true to their board,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what their board said, good for them.
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  Speaker 2: We'll come back in a moment and get in to
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  Speaker 2: the cornerback they ended up getting a little later in
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  Speaker 2: the draft. The Jags are excited to take the field
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  Speaker 2: first two days of the draft, we work on the
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  Speaker 2: defense from day three. That's next on Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 2: We're back as Jaguars Happy Hour. It is Thursday, post draft.
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  Speaker 2: We are breaking down the draft picks for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: Is a lot of the thirteen of them. JP Shadwick,
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Logerman, Glad you're with us on ten ten am
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  Speaker 2: If you can't find us, look somewhere else. We're always somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: We're everywhere worldwide in fact. And we've gone through the
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  Speaker 2: first two days. That's the first three rounds. Now, all
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  Speaker 2: that was all about offense or yes, offense, finding those
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: key pieces, you know, and now it's onto the defense
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: and special teams. In Day three, the fourth round, they
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: had two picks. Ended up with the two picks two
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: in the fifth round as well. Ventro Miller, Florida linebacker,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: the first pick in the fourth round for the Jaguars. Well,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: he understands that his role in Jacksonville will be more
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: about just defense.
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  Speaker 4: Like I always had to wait my turn, be patient
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: with the process. And special team was always a huge
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: embassy even at Florida, and I know it's the huge
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: empasies up at the next level. So whatever my role is,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: whatever that is, Like I.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Said, all right, Well, you might say to yourself self,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: didn't they get a bunch of linebackers last year in
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the draft and that free agency two of them, right
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: and Foyer Lucan and free agency? Correct? Why Intro Miller
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: and what can he bring to the He's gonna be
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a twenty four year old rookie this year long.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Well, and I'm a little kind of surprised by this
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: selection for two reasons. One because it's a it's a
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: first of all, you've got a lot of capital that
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: you spent at that position last year. But then also
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: when I watched the film of Ventro Miller, I mean,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: there's no other way to put it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I want to I want to know why, I want
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: to learn more. I mean, I'm watching a guy who
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: runs pretty well, who's pretty thick, but he misses some
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: plays once he gets there. He's had some injuries over
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the years too, been out of the camp a lot,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: you know, like he's coming off a foot thing. He
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: had Jones fractured his foot, he said, he had a
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: bone craft and he said he's actually at the end
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: of his four month recovery, so he should be good
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: to go. Moving ahead from him.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: So and I hope that what I'm watching is not
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: the best Ventro Miller. And I will say this, I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: not one hundred percent matter now when it comes to
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: evaluated talent.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: And I'll give you a little wit shure you admitting
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: that you've been wrong before.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Oh everybody's wrong at some point, I just remember watching
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: There was a guy by the name of TJ. Watt
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: and I was watching him and people were saying that
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: he was a first round pick. And was watching t
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: J Watt, and I was like, I like that he
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: plays hard, but I don't think he's got enough talent
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: to be like a first round pick.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Me. Exactly wrong, totally wrong. Remember, you guys mocked me.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: We did for mocking him to the Steelers in the
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: first round in our official I knew what was coming
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: for the right you nailed it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: And uh, I mean again, you know, here's an NFL
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: defensive MVP, and and I didn't see that watching his
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: college tip, I thought he was going to be a
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: really good player, but not a great player. So Ventro
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Miller proved me wrong. I want to see more and uh,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: and he's got a position. First of all, his position
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: right now is going to be ST, not LB ST
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: is special teams, thank you, okay, because he's not going
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: to see the field as a linebacker unless he absolutely
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: blows them away. You got to beat out a free
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: agent guy who's literally the energizer Bunny and Foyer, Lucan
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: and then Devin Lloyd, a first round pick and Chad
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Muma a third round pick. You better find a way
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: to beat those guys out to get on the field.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: That's a tough task. Would they move Lloyd st up
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: to like the rush on the line? Well, I think
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: that's one of the baby Villar jumps in there. That's
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: one of the most interesting things. I think that And
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: we're not gonna know because they're not gonna tell us,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: but I think that's one of the most interesting things
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: to watch in this defense going forward. Is will the
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: roles of Treyvon Walker and Devin Lloyd? Will the scheme
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: be tweaked? We don't, I mean where there? Will their
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: roles be tweaked? I think that's the number one most
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: interesting question when you're talking about the Jaguars defense going
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: into twenty twenty three.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Let's continue in the fourth round a little later, the
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Jaguars pick up Oklahoma State defensive end Tyler Lacy. He
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: can line up in some different places up front as
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: well outside, can go inside, three techniques, all that kind
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: of thing. It reminded me, at least at first glance,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: of a to one smoot type of player, a guy
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: who can move and bring you some of.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: That A little different type of player though. Okay, Smoot's
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: a little bit more of the combination of finesse and
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: then a little bit of power, whereas Tyler Lacey's a
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: big dude and he is strong. I look at him
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: as a as a big end and then also a
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: three technique. Is he an amazing pass rusher. No, but
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: he's got some natural power. He's got a nice little
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: what I call a grab pull outside swim that he
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: does a good job with.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You need to explain that a little bit further.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: That so if I came in to you with both
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: hands and hit you right in the chest, and then
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I use one of my hands to grab the shirt
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: and push you away, and then pull you towards me,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: and then use my opposite arm and swim over that
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: shoulder that I'm pulling on, It's kind of like an
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: arm over technique. He's got a pretty good push pull.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: He's got a rig very good power move. He does
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: a good job on the right side when he does
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: a little outside chop to beat the outside arm of
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: the guard. So I think this guy is gonna be contributor.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I think he's got a great motor and he uh
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: he plays.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: With high energy. You just chopped the microphone too. I
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: did chopped the edge of it a little bit. Sorry
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: that it sounds like that when when it Tyler Lacey?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Was it reaber that had deal with that? Whatever? Jaguars
• 22:31
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• 22:34
  Speaker 1: J P.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Shadrick, Jeff Loghman, Glad you're with us. Let's go to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the fifth round. And the Jaguars continued with their defensive
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: picks and they go up to Louisville and get the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: acc leader in sacks of season ago edge player. You
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: see her Abdullah coming to Jacksonville and he's done it
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: for a couple of years up there, and uh, let's see.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: You know, pass rush is the is what we're talking
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: about all off season, needing to improve in that area.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Let's see what brings to the table locks.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Well, the first thing that stands out on him is
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: his measurables. And I was just actually trying to pull
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: it up because he's like a six foot one, two
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: hundred and forty pound kind of edge rushing Gockway, right,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I don't even I think in Gockway was maybe six
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: to two.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Shorter statuted outside player and at Louisville, they played a
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: ran A three four. He was kind of that Sam
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: on the line of scrimmage outside linebacker. He's got he's
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: got some really great athleticism. He's got excellent speed. And
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: you can read his numbers if you've got his height
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: weight speed there six.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: One two thirty seven with thirty two and three eights
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: inch arms, forty yard dash time forty and four four seven. Okay,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that's that's legit fast. I mean legit fast for an
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: outside edge guy. And what I like about him is
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: that he's got some natural bend. He's got a nice
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: little lean to him. He's got great speed. But they
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: they play him as what we call Some people have
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: called it a spinner. Some people have called it like
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: a wild wild man rush position. So you go back
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: to you watch some teams they have three down linemen
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and one guy that's kind of a roving pass rusher.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: He might insert in the B gap on one side.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: He might walk all the way to the far side
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: and rush off with the outside edge. He did a
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: lot of that at Louisville, to where he was just
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: walking around and then he would go is that a
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: player can choose it or it depends on a player
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: if they allow him to choose it. Most of the
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: time is determined because you want to have a balanced crush,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and so you got to have gap integrity when you're
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: playing a defense, even in a pass rushing situation. So
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I think that this guy, first of all, the athleticism
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: that he that he has is going to help from
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the standpoint of your pass rush. But then also his
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: leticism and the speed that he has, he's gonna provide
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: immediate help as a special teams player. And uh, but
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: the shorter statued guys sometimes can get a little engulfed
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: by the big tackles. But then again, there was two
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: guys in Indianapolis that were not the tallest in the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: world and their name were Freenie and Mathis, and they're
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: pretty damn good at being shorter stature guys. So I'm
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: excited to see what Abdullah can do. Another fifth round
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: pick for the Jaguars on the defensive side. The Jags
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: finally got into the second area and got a defensive back,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson from Texas A and M and not. You know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: not many corners love the contact, certainly Johnson does.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: I think I just love the aggressive of the game.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: I always think about it like is it the me
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: and him? And I refuse it to be me. So
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: this is just an untellier I bring into every game
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: every tap to meet. So yeah, that's pretty much it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I just love it. Hit hard, let it put field.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: The majority of his snaps were in the slot and nickel,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and a lot of his highlights that you'll see on
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Jaguars dot com and other places, there are receivers going
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: head over heels after he makes contact. He's aggressive. He'll
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: come in and make some contact and make some big plays.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: He was a guy that was rated to go much
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: higher than what he did. Some people had a second
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: third round grade on him and he didn't end up
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: going until the fifth round. Maybe one of the reasons
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: why is that he's got doesn't have the great speed
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: that you're looking for with a defensive back. I mean,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: if you're looking for great speed at defensive back, you're
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: looking in the four to four range. I believe he
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: was in the mid four fives to high four fives,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: which is not considered great speed for a defensive back.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Some people had him rated as a safety, but he
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: played at Texas A and M in the slot as
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: you talked about an open field, feistiness, tack or excellent
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: in all those categories. Again, the only thing that really
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: showed to me that he was lacking a little bit
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: is the ability to run guys down because he doesn't
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: have that elite speed. Is his role gonna be a
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: nickel or will his long term role.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Be that of a safety?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: It could be like a hybrid to where he's a
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: safety and you know, like we saw last year with
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Spacoli kicking down from safety to.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Wingered.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I love him and an excellent player, and he did
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: a great job with that kind of that hybrid role
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: of safety slash nickelback slash sam when they went to DIME.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I think you could do some similar type of things
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: with Antonio Johnson.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: The Jaguars had six total picks over the final two rounds.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: We'll dig into those guys in depth a little more
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: next week ahead of rookie Mini caamp them and the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: undrafted free agents. With thirteen draft picks, it's a lot
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to go on.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll cherry pick a few of the of
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: the undrafted guys. I mean, there's no sense of going
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: over all of them. We'll cherry pick a couple guys
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: that I watch on film that I really like, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: then you know, hopefully can get some people excited because
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: you know, look, I'm always excited about the undrafted guys
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: because the reality is that some of your picks that
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: you have in around six or seven are rated no
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: differently than the guys that you signed as undrafted free agents.
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  Speaker 2: The Texans and Titans all picked quarterbacks. That's next on
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• 29:19
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• 29:46
  Speaker 2: that's where all your film room things go. That's there
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: might be some you know, you're trying to get a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: self plug in, man, which is good. I get it, man,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: sound sounds of the game all, yes, that's what's the new. Uh,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the hunt of off season. I mean I'm not in that.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not you know, you do some film room stuff
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: on these rookies or what? I'm sure I can. Are
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: you asking me to do something? No, if you'd have
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: been assigned, I'm sure we'll have in the past something
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Jeff Logoman would have a bunch of film room then
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: well I can. Maybe the agent didn't do I don't know.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: What would have been a really good thing is that
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: you know, before I started watching all these draft picks,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: that somebody said, hey, Jeff, you know we're gonna go
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: ahead and do this video package, go ahead and write
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: some of those numbers down and the plays you love
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: so that we can do a video package. I haven't
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: heard that yet, Dave Pat Well, okay, just saying, Dave Pat, Wow.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't mean to, you know, I didn't
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: know it was that raw of a subject. I'm not raw, Pat, Dave, Okay,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I guess that's it. May or may not be. I
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: wouldn't bet the farm on it, but whatever. Wonder how
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: long it's going take for me to get a tech
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Not long day, pet. Hey, everybody else in the division
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: drafted a quarterback, you think, and Hi, why didn't we
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: draft one? Because I think we're doing just fine And
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that's the whole idea. Judy Patista of NFL Media had
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: a really good lead in article Saturday on NFL dot Com.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Here's how it read. The most impactful trend of the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three draft was not the early run on quarterbacks,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the mid first round run on receivers, or the scramble
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: for offensive lineman. It was the race to stop Trevor Lawrence.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: He represents what everybody else in the AFC South needed
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: badly in this draft, a franchise quarterback who could seize
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: control of the NFL's most wide open division. That's how
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: the story started. She went through, of course, every quarterback
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: pick from there, and it is glaring. Obviously, Houston made
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: the biggest splash early in the draft. They got CJ. Stroud.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Then they made the trade to get Will Anderson Junior
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: on the which then gave up way too much. I mean,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: what are you doing. He's not even the best edge
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: of Tyree Wilson is a better player. I can't believe
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: they gave up all that draft capital. See that's that
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: was a quarterbacks ransom that the Texans gave up. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: trust me, that's a good thing for the Jaguars. I'm
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: not trying to poop poo the whole thing. Great job, Texans,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: way to screw it up for yourself. CJ. Stroud is
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the quarterback selection though at number two overall this I
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: think he's a great pick. You think so. I love him.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I love him. I don't care.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: He was your favorite of all the quarters, and I
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: told you that from the get go. He was my
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: favorite guy that I watched on film. He's got the height, weight,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: the measurables, the production, he showed the arm, talent, he
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: showed the mental acuity to play the game. I don't
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: care about all that score testing stuff that was reported.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: The guy can play football and this is gonna be
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: a tough guy to contend with in the division for
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: years to come. Now the question about Anthony Richardson, I'm
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: not sold on him.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: He goes to number four to the Indianapolis Colts out
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: of the University of Florida and we'll see. And the Colts, obviously,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: both of these franchises, by the way, have had a
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: lot of change over the last few years at quarterback.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: First off, the Houston Texans. We know what's happened there.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson has moved on back in twenty seventeen, he
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: wasn't even the starting quarterback Week one when he was
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: drafted against the Jaguars. They had ten sacks that day
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars did. Watson came in at halftime of that
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: game and was a starter of the next three years.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: He's moved on Davis Mills. Now it's on to CJ. Stroud.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: The Colts have had even more of a revolving door
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: over the last few years. They've spent over one hundred
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: million dollars on Brissette Rivers Winz and Matt Ryan in
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: the last four years alone, and not a lot of
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: it's worked all that well. Now they're going to roll
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: the dice and see what happens with Anthony richards.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: They what did I tell you about that marriage of
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson and jim Irsay. I said, this is it's
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: not exactly going to be the greatest environment for a
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: young quarterback who is considered a project to thrive in
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: because mister Ersay is a little what's a good nice
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: term different, He's a little different.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: They got a new head coach. Wait a minute, but
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: we're not ready to move on to the head coach.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I'm still talking about this owner. So what does he
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: do after the end of round one? He tweets about
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: picking Levice in round two? What are he compared to
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: he'd be like Montana and Young? Yeah, hello, Montana, hung
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: We're not the same draft class, Okay. Joe Montana was
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: already showing that he was a Hall of Fame guy.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Steve Young was in the USFL, came over to the
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: NFL and sat behind him. It wasn't like they drafted
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Steve Young and Joe Montana in the same draft class. Again,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: It just it kind of proved my point and that
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that's not the great environment that you would like a quarterback.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: To have to develop in. It's I think that that's
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: not gonna end well. I hope it ends well for
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the young man Anthony Richardson, because he's got some abilities
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: that are just otherworldly, but they don't qualify into the
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: quarterbacking category at otherworldly. He's got phenomenal athleticism. He shows
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: a time that he might have the best arm in
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: the draft. He shows that he might be arguably one
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: of the best best athletes in the draft, but playing
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: quarterback is about playing quarterback, not being the best athlete
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: or the best runner. Segment will be interested.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: It's Jaguars Happy Our, its Intexlam and Jaguars dot Com,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: JP Shadwick, Jeff Lagaman. The Titans got Peter Skarnsky in
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: the first round offensive lineman western a guard. Some people
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: had him rate it high.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Well, he many people thought he was the highest rated
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: offensive lineman. But the reality is, as many teams view
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: him as a guard, he just doesn't have the length
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: old t Rex. He's got the t Rex past flocking off.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: It's okay, but look, the Titans are committed to winning
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: now with Mike Rabel. Make no mistake about it. Mike
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Rabel is coming to play football with a competitive team,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: and the best way that they can be competitive is
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: to help make Derrick Henry better and putting a quality
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: offensive lineman in front of him. Because if you go
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: back to the Titans, best years when they have had
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: this great running back has been when they've had better
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: offensive line, and that offensive line has gone downhill recently.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: So that's the old line pick. And then they come
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: back around, as you said in round number two thirty
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: three overall, and get Kentucky quarterback Will Levis. He'll work
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: in the back ground at least to begin. Maybe we'll
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: see ye Goes wins Hills still there. He'll sit behind
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Tanny Hill. Remember two locks. I mean this Titans team
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: is a fumble away from the pass.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my point about Rabel committing to being competitive
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: right there. And uh, and I think I don't know
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: if they're right there. First of all, if something happens
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: to Derrick Henry right there is not even in the
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: same zip code, is what we're talking about. I mean,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: they've got to have Derrick Henry. But I think It's
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: interesting in that I don't think it's ever happened in
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: NFL history that you've had one division have two top
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: five quarterbacks and then a second round pick quarterback also
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: added to that same division. That's that's pretty incredible. The
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: AFC South is going to be considered the quarterback class
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three, but the best one is one
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: from twenty twenty one.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Keep it that way, keep getting better. Well that's the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: plant with it, Run with it, that's the plan, you know.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: But I look, I think it was a very fun,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: entertaining draft. I said this before the draft that you
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: could throw some names up in the air and then
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: however they fell, range them for the draft, and then
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: pick them back up, throw them up in the air
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: again and have him land again, because I mean, that's
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: how many people thought that this draft was going to go.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: There were so many people that and players that people
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: didn't know where they were going to get drafted, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: so it made it intriguing from my standpoint, because you
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: want to see where guys get drafted, how teams view them.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting when it kind of finally plays out
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: and the picks are made and you sit there and
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: you go, hmm, that's interesting. For example, the tight end
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: from Notre Dame, Michael Mehrivat. I thought he was going
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: to be a first round pick, surely right around that
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: twenty four range where the Jaguars were picking, that he
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: would be somebody that would be a viable guy somewhere
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: in twenty four, certainly through you know, around around pick thirty.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't think he'd go around two. I mean, that's
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: interesting to me. The fun tart, too, is, you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: fans can be excited about certain picks and maybe not
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: as excited about others. But maybe they just didn't hear
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: a name and a bunch of mock drafts leading up
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: to it. Doesn't mean the guy that was picked is
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: not going to be a good player or develop into
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: one over time, or maybe you just haven't heard of
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the guy.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: The fun exercise to do and would be to do,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: is to go back and let's look at the draft
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: from three years ago. Okay, so the players that were
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: drafted three years ago that had three seasons under the belt, Now,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: let's go back and look at that draft and evaluate
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: where those guys should have been picked and where they
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: were picked. Now, you know, so that you can.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Because right now when you sit there and you go, oh,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the Jags had a great, great draft because all of
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: these publications and websites are put in not grades for
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars and every other team in the National Football League.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: What's the draft grade? What do they get? Did they
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: get an A? Did it get a B, they get
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: a C, they get a D. What do you need
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: to do is go back and look at the draft
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: of your teams from three years ago and grade that.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: That's the accurate.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Grades that you want to be evaluating. You're not the
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: instantaneous one. You want to do this on the fly.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll grade the twenty nineteen draft.
• 40:25
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• 40:27
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• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I am ready? Ready or not? Where do you want
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: to go? First round pick, ninth overall cornerback CJ. Henderson
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: from Florida.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: When he was drafted, the reaction kind of said it all,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: he's been a bust. He's in Carolina now. They didn't
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: pick up his fifth year option.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: They did not correct.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: So yeah, he's gonna be a free agent next year
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: and that doesn't shouldn't happen with a top ten cornerback pick.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Jaguars had a second first round pick, twentieth overall calebun
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Chase on the defensive end, and the Jaguars are not
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: taking his fifth year option.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: No, it's been disappointed.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I think he's had one sack right in three years
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: and that's just not where you wanted to be with
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: an outside linebacker.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Look, I appreciate his effort.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: And he's he has added to this team, but not
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: in the capacity of being a first round pick, so
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: that pick has been disappointed.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Started doing some more special teams stuff when he came back.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: He was banged up a little bit last year and
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: then came back was doing a lot of teams work.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: What he got next Laviscus Channault, junior wide receiver Colorado
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: in the second round. Traded away.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: It hasn't provided anything to this organization in the last
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: couple of years. I mean, big, strong, physical, but had
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: a hard time figuring out where to be big, strong
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: and physical at times.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Next up for the Jags in the third round, defensive
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: tackle to Von Hamilton from Ohio State. Good extension, good player,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: best player of the draft, I mean, and just got
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: an extension. I mean, this is a guy that I
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: thought took a big step up last year, and many
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: people thought that he would kind of be falling to
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: the wayside because of some of the free agent acquisitions
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: they've had at defensive tackle over the last couple of years.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: And all he did was show that he might be
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: the best of the bunch. Three years, thirty four and
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: a half million dollars. Good player, by the way, Ben
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Barts in the fourth round guard, I.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Mean he's been a good player when he's been available,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: and he's progressively gotten better. But the injury last year
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: maybe kind of would have curbed some of your enthusiasm.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: But I think he can still be a starting caliber
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: offensive guard for this football team.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: But we'll see. Also in the fourth round, cornerback Josiah Scott.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Where's he at now? Philadelphia? Yeah? I didn't even I
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: don't even know if he was in the league. He
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: had two interceptions last season. Yeah, well, I mean good
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: for him. Four start, smaller guy, very small corner stature wise.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: What else you got Shack Corterman fourth round.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been a contributor, had the big hit on
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Derrick Henry in Tennessee, which certainly got the ball rolling
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: for the Jaguars.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: And that man.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: But you know, he's a he's a backup special teams player.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: And as long as you get a guy that can
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: contribute and help on the roster at that level of
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: that round, and I think you did, okay. Daniel Thomas
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: in the fifth round. Safety. I like his energy. He's
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: been good energy, good special special teams player.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Good gunner. Colin Johnson, wide receiver, you know.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Big, long guy that hasn't been around in a couple
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: of years. But he was a guy that he liked
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: him just because of his length. But I mean, again,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: your later rounds and that's you know, your your percentages
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: dropped significantly and it showed there because he didn't stick.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Twelve games with the Giants two seasons ago and did
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: not play, does not have any stats as of last season,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and as of right now, Colin Johnson hold on, I'm
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: double checking, is still with the Giants. Yes, Jake Luton, quarterback,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: sixth round.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's you know, and here's the thing, JP.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Look look at the first round from the twenty twenty draft.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: There's three guys that are not even in the league anymore, Okay,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: And Henry.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Ruggs, what is he in jail? Yes, he's about to be.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Damon Arnett, the cornerback from the Raiders, and then Isaiah Wilson,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: the tackle with Tennessee and then Jeff Gladney passed away
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: in a car accident. For he was a Minnesota Vikings
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: first round pick. But I mean, you go when you
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: look at that first round, I mean not just the
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Jaguars first round picks, but some of the other ones.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: And you know, if you look at it. The best
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: one in that draft is Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson was
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: the twenty second pick. Overall.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: You go into the round two and there's there's guys
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: in round two that are a lot better than the
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: guys that were picked in round one. So again it
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: goes back to what we talked about at the very beginning.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: The more picks you have, because it's a numbers game,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: it's a percentage game, the better chance that you have
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: at success. And that's why I like the Jaguars trading
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Dow and gaining those extra extra pick.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Jaguars had two more picks in twenty twenty, Tyler Davis
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: tight end Georgia Tech and Chris Claybrooks cornerback.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: So he's stuck around and that's that's been a good
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: seven trund pick. Clay Brooks has been been a solid
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: contributor and for round seven, take it any day of
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: the week.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Jaguars Happy Hour. Let's go around the National Football League.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Last couple of minutes of the program here and some
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: breaking news. New York Giants All Pro defensive tackle Dexter
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Lawrence reached an agreement on a four year, ninety million
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: dollar extension including sixty million dollars guaranteed, reported by Adam Schefter,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: He's a really good.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Player, I mean really good player. Can play the nose,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: can play the three, his physical throws guys around, can
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: pass rush. This this guy is He's one of the
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: top defensive tackles in the game. And he deserves every
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: penny that he got.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Right there. Lamar Jackson officially signed his new deal with
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the Ravens today and met the media. Five years, two
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty million dollars just before the draft. Over
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: seventy million signing potists today and hey, imagine that everyone
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: loves everybody in Baltimore. Now. It was interesting.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Their general manager talked about this deal and I'm trying
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: to remember his name, that he's the one who succeeded
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Ozzie Newsom, and he talked about how the offer there,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: the deal that Lamar ended up getting, was very similar
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: to the one that they offered to him last fall
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: as far as the guarantees and the total mount were
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: very similar. But again, Lamar was negotiating his own contract.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: He was still looking for a fully guaranteed contract. And
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: then what happened with twenty twenty second round pick quarterback
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: of the Philadelphia Eagles, Okay, which is Jalen Hurts. He
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: was the fifty third overall pick going back in that
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty draft. He's doing just fine, okay, And he
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: got that deal just recently from the Eagles. I think
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: when Lamar saw that, he said, well, it looks like
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to get a fully guaranteed deal. I
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: don't blame him for trying, but I'm glad they got
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: it worked out. Now they can focus on the future ahead.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: One other note outside the league and the XFL. The
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: coach of the Year in the XFL a familiar name,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Reggie Barlow. Eight years in the NFL as a player.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: He was the head coach at Alabama State and at
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Virginia State. He's the head coach of the DC Defenders.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: They are in the XFL championship game this weekend.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Reggie Barlow needs to start getting some recognition as being
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: one heck of a football coach. He needs to get
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: consideration for an opportunity in the National Football League. First
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: of all, he's an outstanding man, was a really good
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: football player for the Jaguars for many years. An excellent
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: punt return, a good wide receiver and man, I'm happy
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: for him. Next week schedule he's expected by the National
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Football League, and week two of three of Phase two
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: of the offseason program.
• 49:54
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• 49:57
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• 50:01
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