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Inside The Birds: More Intel From Eagles-Patriots Joint Practices Ahead 2nd Preseason Game · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: What's going on? Everybody?
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: It's Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan coming to you on
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  Speaker 1: a Friday afternoon, really, and what we wanted to do was,
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  Speaker 1: obviously the Eagles and Patriots wrapped up their joint practices.
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  Speaker 1: They'll play their game preseason game number two, Saturday night.
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  Speaker 1: You heard Adam and Andrew recap the first Eagles joint
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  Speaker 1: practice with the Patriots, and then you know, the next
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  Speaker 1: day is like get away day by trying to get
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  Speaker 1: in there, get out. Andrew did his to check o daily,
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  Speaker 1: so he was able to give you his perspective on
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  Speaker 1: the second practice, And what we're gonna do with this
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  Speaker 1: podcast is get Adam's perspective on not just the second day,
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  Speaker 1: but the whole two days of practices, and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about some guys that we think that we know
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  Speaker 1: preseason game number two will be important for us backups
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: competing for jobs, and some people who just need to
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  Speaker 1: start to step it up a little bit. So Adam,
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: you're back. Thankfully you're safe. I know you, like many others,
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  Speaker 1: had to drive through some really wicked storms to get home.
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  Speaker 1: But what was your impression of the second day, And
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  Speaker 1: like sort of the overall recap of the two days
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  Speaker 1: of practice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as it fully expected. The second day was later,
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  Speaker 3: it was shorter, but they still got teamwork in seven
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  Speaker 3: on seven, eleven on eleven they did that, which was
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  Speaker 3: fully expected.
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  Speaker 1: Did they stript more, did they do more like situational
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  Speaker 1: stuff on the yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So on Thursday Thursday, late Thursday morning and early Friday
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  Speaker 3: Thursday afternoon. You know, they started. Actually, it's interesting they
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  Speaker 3: changed it up a little bit. The eagles were there
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  Speaker 3: are two levels of fields. There's a lower and there's upper.
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  Speaker 3: Eagles were on the lower field doing their own individual
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  Speaker 3: warm up. But instead of getting up there ten to
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  Speaker 3: fifteenth at the time the scheduled time for this, they
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  Speaker 3: got there at like they got to the upper field at
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  Speaker 3: like ten thirty ten thirty five, which means you're not
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  Speaker 3: going to practice that long. So then they plus they
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  Speaker 3: ended fifteen minutes early. But the team stuff was good.
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  Speaker 3: They did a lot of situational work that it was
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  Speaker 3: like a situational Thursday is what it was.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Red zone, goal line, red zone, a ton of red zone,
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  Speaker 3: some some half field. But it was good. That energy
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  Speaker 3: was really good. Let's get started on an offense. Yeah, Look,
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  Speaker 3: the quarterbacks have been up and down all camp. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: they're learning a new system. Yes, Andy Dalton has experienced
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  Speaker 3: in the West Coast. But it's it's you're you're playing,
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  Speaker 3: you're being coached by different coaches you'ven't worked with before
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  Speaker 3: but were told about Andy Dalton. Here, you're you're with
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  Speaker 3: players you've never worked with before. So yeah, it's all
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  Speaker 3: new to him, honestly, And it's it's like the other quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a timing issue. It's it's it's not working
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  Speaker 3: with Smitty or Lemon. Smithy's doing individual stuff, but he's
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  Speaker 3: not practicing. Now. The good thing is he looks fine.
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  Speaker 3: He's watched him the two days warm up but not practice,
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  Speaker 3: and he looks fine. There it's a ramp up here,
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  Speaker 3: that's what it's called. So that I totally get that.
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  Speaker 3: But again, not having Smith for two weeks, not having
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  Speaker 3: Levin virtually of all camp and most of the offseason.
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  Speaker 3: Remember you got hurting no tas very early and that
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  Speaker 3: was it for him, So it showed. Look, it definitely
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  Speaker 3: shows too. Of your top receiver receivers are not practicing.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a problem now. The upside is they
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  Speaker 3: put more on Don Tavian Wicks and he's just shown up.
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  Speaker 3: He's had a great camp, like he's the most he's
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  Speaker 3: so consistent. You know, we we've lauded the Darius Cooper
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  Speaker 3: and how good he's looked. But Don Tavian Wicks, who yes,
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  Speaker 3: he played in West Coast System, his tire career of
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  Speaker 3: the Packers looks great. He's an ex receiver. I've seen
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  Speaker 3: him line up inside a little bit, but he's he's
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  Speaker 3: an outside receiver. They run like you're talking to people.
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  Speaker 3: Some some people coming off the field like both teams
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  Speaker 3: ran their stuff, but there is zero game planning. You
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  Speaker 3: don't game plan for for joint practices, but you get
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  Speaker 3: to see what they're doing. You saw the pre staff
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  Speaker 3: motion for the Eagles. You know, you saw Hurts under center.
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  Speaker 3: You saw the miss a little bit of shotgun, but
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  Speaker 3: a lot of under center. It's what we've seen in
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  Speaker 3: OTAs in training camp. But you know, I don't do
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  Speaker 3: who won practice? That that's that as I've learned, and
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  Speaker 3: I was wrong many times early in my career. When
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  Speaker 3: you think a team won practice, you get it totally wrong.
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  Speaker 3: When you talk to people really running it right now.
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  Speaker 3: You can see on the first day clearly the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: passing game had a major advantage. Like that wasn't debatable.
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  Speaker 3: They dominated. Okay, they dominated. I know for a fact.
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  Speaker 3: They did not game plan. They just ran their stuff.
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  Speaker 3: A ton of crossers, a lot of success. Okay, that's something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: what's that.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, that's like the vintage Josh McDaniel's offense.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, a lot of cross Yeah. Yeah. Now here's
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  Speaker 3: the good thing. Coaches will tell you that when it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't go well for your secondary, that's okay because what
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  Speaker 3: happens is you get it on tape. You see what
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  Speaker 3: they were doing, you look at your leverage, look at alignment,
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  Speaker 3: and you make sure the communication's better. That This is
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  Speaker 3: what's training camp for. Like, it's not the end of
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  Speaker 3: the world. It's it's okay. You have some things to
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  Speaker 3: work on and clean up and and correct. But I
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  Speaker 3: I and then day two I thought the secondary rebounded
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  Speaker 3: really well. I actually that was because what I've learned
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  Speaker 3: over the years is you cannot watch everything. It's literally impossible.
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  Speaker 3: You can't. Anyone says they did, they're lying. There's no
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  Speaker 3: reporter could see every prep every play right. What I
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  Speaker 3: do is I have three or four things I want
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  Speaker 3: to look for. The first day was the Eagles offensive
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  Speaker 3: line versus the Patriots defensive line. Eagles offensive line in
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  Speaker 3: the run game is phenomenal, phenomenal, like they the outside
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  Speaker 3: zone stuff was something interesting. Man, you know how like
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  Speaker 3: we were. You know, we've talked about sa Quon and Okay,
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  Speaker 3: how patient's going to be? He's he's he's so urgent
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  Speaker 3: with his running. He was plenty patient in Wednesday's practice
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  Speaker 3: like that was not a problem. So overall, yeah, overall,
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  Speaker 3: the run game looks good. Now again, we're not going
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  Speaker 3: to know truly with the offensive line till the regular
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  Speaker 3: season starts. Yeah, I'm not not playing in the preseason.
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  Speaker 3: But yet getting physical and the the uh the joint practice.
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  Speaker 3: You could see some things, but you're truly not going
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  Speaker 3: to know when team's good game plan, you know for you,
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  Speaker 3: but just getting started, I thought the offense had its
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  Speaker 3: moments and then it was good. Lodgen Moore on Wednesday's
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  Speaker 3: practice he had some neck issues so he didn't practice.
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  Speaker 3: And they're down so many receivers. You're going to get
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  Speaker 3: guys who probably would never get any reps more than
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  Speaker 3: the third team, like Ques Watkins was getting reps. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown on Thursday, I had a really good practice,
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  Speaker 3: particularly in the red zone, which is interesting because yes,
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  Speaker 3: they were down a bunch of receivers, so someone's got
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  Speaker 3: to do it. And he just dominated. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: him like that, like that's not been his deal, but
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  Speaker 3: you know what, it worked.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's good.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen quite a bit going back to Patrick Robinson,
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  Speaker 1: not to suggest that Hollywood Brown was having a miserable camp,
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  Speaker 1: but some guys pick it up over the last week
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  Speaker 1: or two and it really carries into the regular season.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's it's a nothing burger, So it's no, but
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  Speaker 1: it is good to see because that's a guy that
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  Speaker 1: you know, they were kind of relying on to get
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  Speaker 1: some snaps in there and be a part of the
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  Speaker 1: receiving corps.
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  Speaker 2: And with Lemon out it is important.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And the thing with Hollywood Brown is Andrew and
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  Speaker 3: I were talking about we just have not seen the
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  Speaker 3: downfield passing game with him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nobody has.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't not. It doesn't mean they won't do
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  Speaker 3: in the regular season. It's just kind of surprising that
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  Speaker 3: we haven't seen it.
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  Speaker 1: A couple other we discussed that you nailed this on
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  Speaker 1: the head when they signed him, that despite the blazing
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: speed that he ran at the combine, no offense that
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  Speaker 1: he's ever been in, whether it's Baltimore or Arizona or
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City, has been able to tap into him as
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  Speaker 1: a true DeShawn Jackson like vertical threat.
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  Speaker 2: He's actually been a good.
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  Speaker 1: Receiver on overs and other routes, and he's actually pretty
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  Speaker 1: been effective in the red zone if you look at
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  Speaker 1: his career, which is stranger because he's not a big guy,
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: but he has not been that type of receiver that
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  Speaker 1: you would have imagined because of the size and the speed.
• 8:09
  Speaker 3: Like Baltimore did early in his career. I was gonna
• 8:12
  Speaker 3: tried really after Lamar. It's just it's also the quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: you're playing with. That that's true. Yeah, that's a big thing.
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  Speaker 3: If guys can't drive the ball down film and Mahomes could,
• 8:23
  Speaker 3: but then he got hurt, right, But I'm interested to
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  Speaker 3: see what happens because they got it and hurts his
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  Speaker 3: downsfield harm is so good. You gotta do it. Come on,
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  Speaker 3: I know it's West Coast, you gotta do it. Come on,
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: it's ridiculous, right, so h but look, I know fans
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  Speaker 3: were really I mean, boy, they were crushing Eli Stowers
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  Speaker 3: on our YouTube comments. Yeah yeah, shame on us for
• 8:52
  Speaker 3: we talked about a ton about hours but not enough.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently you get to throw the people. He's undersized. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: he's an athlete. Mm hmm. This is he only played
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: tight end three years in college. Okay, Eagles knew this.
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: Everybody in the NFL knew this. His workout numbers are great. Athleticism,
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: athleticism off tape is very good. But he's got to
• 9:11
  Speaker 3: build up, got a bulk up. It's going to take
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: some time. Relax, Trey McBride. I mean, what's the tight
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  Speaker 3: end's name for the Cardinals, Trey McBride. You said it,
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: Trey McBride. He did not play a lot as a rookie.
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  Speaker 3: He needed to fill out. Now he had played tight
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  Speaker 3: end in a lot longer than Stowers did, but then
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  Speaker 3: he became a stud.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying Stowers won't do anything your one. Just
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  Speaker 3: have realistic expectations.
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  Speaker 1: I know, Jimmy Graham, right, Jimmy Graham, we've kind of
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  Speaker 1: talked about him being more of a wide receiver than
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  Speaker 1: a tight end coming out of.
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  Speaker 3: Miami.
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  Speaker 2: It was like he was a fine by the Saints.
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  Speaker 3: He was also a best player. Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 2: He had a very modest rookie year, thirty one catches.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: I looked it up, three hundred and fifty six yards,
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: five touchdowns, and I would imagine if I went through
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: the game logs, lookie a lot of those catches that
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: started from October November December early on, I would think
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: he didn't have as much of an impact because, like
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: you're saying, you've got to be able to do, you
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: got to learn the game. In fact, I'm going through
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  Speaker 1: his rookie year right now. The first five weeks you
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: have one target, no catches. So I'm not trying to
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: do apples to apples because there was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a freakish nature to Jimmy Grahant being six six
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  Speaker 1: x seven.
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  Speaker 2: But the point is neither could block.
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  Speaker 1: There are athletes, and it took them a little bit
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  Speaker 1: to get acclimated.
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  Speaker 2: That's just gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and McBride was who was also a second round pick,
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  Speaker 3: and he got paid big time because he put up
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: massive numbers, you know, after his slow start. Yeah, coaches
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: kind of know, coaches always know what they have. They
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: know what the tape looked like, they know what that
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: the scouting reports were from the you know there's the
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: scouting department.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: They know this is a long term process with his player.
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: You know. So we know Johnny months the two. That's
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: not up to debate that he's the two. It's obvious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah too, I agree with you. We used to have
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: that conversation.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: Can you get away with, like, you know, cutting having
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: that agreement where he's on the practice squad so you
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: could you could go a little deeper somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think at this point you can afford to
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: not have Johnny Munt on your team unless he's so
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: wowed by but I mean on your fifty three, unless
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: they're so wowed by cam lottery, which.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't doesn't. He's not getting that kind of opportunity
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  Speaker 2: that you know he's not.
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, Andrew, and Andrew and I were talking
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: about that Wednesday because we're going over some final fifty
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  Speaker 3: three thoughts and Okay, so we know it's Goddard, Munt
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  Speaker 3: and Stowers are absolutely on the team. Now you've got
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: and you had brought this up, and Andrew brought this up.
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: I know you and I had this conversation with it
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: about a week ago, probably doing a show. What if
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: God it got hurt? What's the plan? Well, ideally you'd
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: like Stowers to be the move tight end. Well, is
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: he really ready to do that? Right? That's why you
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: got to have Calcatari here. I know fans don't want
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: to hear that. I know they don't like it. And
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: the Eagles have not shown the willingness. Even though lots
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: two is an excellent blocker and special teams player, they've
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: not shown him in the passing game at all that
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: he's been here.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: It surprises me a little bit because we know from
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: talking to Greg and just watching his Alabama he made
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: big plays down the seams at Alabama more than once
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: or twice.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was a weapon there.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: But he's got to have that operat He's gotta only
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  Speaker 1: show it at the NFL level. But I do want
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: to say, let's there's still like two to three weeks
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: before season opener, and we always see a lot of
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: movement the.
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  Speaker 2: Team.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: After each preseason game, you always see a little bit,
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: you get a little more clues as to what's going
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: on in the coach's mind once you start practice after
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: a preseason game, So maybe we'll see some some different
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: things there.
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  Speaker 2: But I agree with you, and I think tight end
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  Speaker 2: is real.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're at a serious issue if Goddar is
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: to get hurt, because then they are so telegraphic. They
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: only have one dimensional blockers or one dimensional pass catchers.
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  Speaker 1: They do not have anybody who can get out there
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: in twelve personnel and be that wide tight end who
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• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the problem you're speaking about a problem in
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: the league. It's extremely difficult to get two way players
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: like Goddard right, and Eagles didn't know that about god
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Goddard wasn't asked to block at South Dakota State. You know,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: he just he was not right. And he came in
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: as a rookie and he's he's a big dude. He
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: should have pretty significant willingness to do this like usually, hey,
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: I'll do it. And he did it and it became
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: a really good two way player. It's all fair. It's
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: just and you don't want to plan for injuries. But
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: I you know, both of you guys brought it up.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. It's I'm just telling Calcutara is probably
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: going to be here one way or the other, whether
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: he's on the fifty three or they they go to
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: him and the agent and say, hey, listen, we have
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: a numbers problem. We want him here sixty nine men roster.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Would you be willing to do a practice spoud contract?
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Maybe they guaranteed for the season. He's goied by the way,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: half of his salary is guaranteed. It's not not a
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: lot of money. It's it's I think they're guaranteed maybe
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: seven or eight hundred grand, but it's a it's it's
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: an interesting dilemma. This is the hardest in our nine
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: years of our company. Yeah, I think it to accurately
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: predict the fifty three because a lot of guys have flashed,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: then they go dormant, someone else does something, So it's
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: it's not going to be easy.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it, all right, defense, Yeah, I know.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Riqu Willen was a big conversation topic for you and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Andrew after the first day of practice just in general.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Though over the two days.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Better he was better. Yeah, he was better the second day. Okay,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: it's it's you know, going we do inside football stuff here.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: The thing that he's going to have a problem with,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: and we sold on the Crossers is slowing throttling down
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: slowing up and turning. It's it's tough when you're long.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: He's six foot four, he's tough. Now, Richard Truman did it.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: He's six four and they did. Uh, they did a
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: lot of match coverage over the years. So and he's like,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: he hasn't done it, but you saw some limitations with him,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: and then.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I think they also carried a lot of pressman that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: helped him out to get those early jams that I
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: would remember when.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks played that, and it would oh, it would help.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: It doesn't always do that though, That's why he doesn't off.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, truth be told, not that the Gate the
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Patriots are game planning. I know they weren't, but they
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: just faced him in the Super Bowl because they kind
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: of know who he is, of course, and and they
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: got Cony on once. But well I'm not talking about
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: the deep ball where Conyon held twice mm hmm. You
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: can see the video he did.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: He did, but.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: It's just we'll see I mean, and it's not like
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: the uh, the Eagles opponents could see what we're talking about.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: They don't get access to it, and the Patriots cannot
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: share that. The Patriots and Eagles were not a lot
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: of that. The practice tip with anybody. They can keep it,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: but they can't share it. So but we'll see what happens.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: He I hate to say this, but I'm going to
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: say it. How Willan does we'll explain how good the
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Eagles defense is this season. I think he is. I
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: know Grenard's is a sore point for people. I get
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: that that's not good with him. But the Eagles at
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: least have depth because have nowhere to go at corner
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: if well they do. But Vic doesn't really want to
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: put Coop back there, right, he'll I know, he'll do
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: what he's got to do. We know that he'll if
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: he fixed Coops needs to go back there and we'll's
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: not playing well, then he does it. Yeah, but they didn't.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: They're not paying Wollen twelve million not to be a
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: good player. So I really needs to do this. And
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. But it's a major, major story
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: is Wollan's performance, particularly early on the season. H Rams
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: come in, they can do all sorts of things. We
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: see you know Washington with Daniels, who's an elite processor.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: And we'll talk more about the closure of the season.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: But it's a big storyline for me. Woollan's performance early
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: in the season.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, cool hol anything else defensively I jump
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: out to you. Whether it's linebackers or edges.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple a couple of things here. Oh, by
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: the way, I didn't mention this. I love watching Willie
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Lampkin sixty one. I gotta tell you. I know it's
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I'm putting them on my fifty three just because he
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: could play center and guard. He's so strong. I understand
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the he doesn't have ideal lanth This is why he
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: wasn't treefting. Most teams don't want him on this roster,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: on the roster because he's too small. Right, But and
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: it's I don't know if any maybe you know, of
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: last twenty years, any less than five foot eleven offensive
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: lineman as any ever any ever played in the NFL.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I would I'd never I would love to have taken
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: an actual tape measure to Nickole because he was pretty
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: close to it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: But yeah, he his cast are huge. He was he
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: was a built like a fire hundrant man. He's something
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: else and he the thing is with him. I know
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: he's got short arms, but you can't move like I
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: saw him engage, you know, the Patriots defensive line, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: he held it like he whatever it's legal to hold,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: like whatever the technique is. Yep, he's like the ay
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: moving him. I was like, this is pretty cool.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: He You know how Greg Cosel always talks about a
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: certain type of quarterback, right like he said about McKee,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: where you've had to play that way all your life.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: McKee is a He's not gonna be running around, so
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: he has to play with timing. And so Willie Lampkin
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: has never been tall, obviously, and I believe because he
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: has been that way, he's understood how to use his hands.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: He understood his leverage.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Low man wins, how to leverage and offensive line coaches
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: always used that term like build a house, like in
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: a confined space where you've got to have your right
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: symmetry between your hands and your feet, and he has it,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and he has a down pat and I do think
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: in some strange way, being that short and compact helped
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: him with that.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: He has a lower center her gravity, and.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: He's always had to play that way as opposed to
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: some people who might be trying out different thing or
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: long armed guys like Mark Obell so it doesn't surprise
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: me that he's really that much of a technician. The
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: question is, can he if you had to have him
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: start because you had an injury or two, right, and
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: he's going up against like real NFL Pro Bowl style
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: three techniques for consecutive weeks.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Will can he hold them up like that? That's the
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: only question I have.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: But they about it right if he had to play,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: because again, any one of your fifty three, the word
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: with personnel people is you believe that they could come
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: in and play. Now that's it's relative to how many
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: snaps you're talking about. Oh yeah, he could play five snaps? Well,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: could he start? That's a different story, right, And that's
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: why they're backups.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: But Mike, so you would have four concrete backups in
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Fred Taylor, Mark l Bell, Drew Kendall, and Willie Lampkin.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: And there's probably room for one more guy. If I
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: know you guys liked.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Was that John o Juku's got to pectoral injury and
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: injury the injury, I mean he Yeah, it's it's Fred Johnson,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: it's Drew Kendall. I told his dad Pete, remember him
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: from the Seahawks and the Jets. Yeah, he was there.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: He's boy, he's taller than his son forget. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Now Jake Majors. Okay, so it's Fred Johnson, it's Drew Kendall, Lampkin,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: and and Belle. That's that's nine mm hmm. Now does
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Michael Morris make it? That's a tough call there. Jake
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Majors has been a good story backup guard center. Does
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: not have the measurables. He does not have the arm length.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, if it comes down to those two, you
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: know how he's gonna go with the draft pick who's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: more fitted for the position with the longer arms than
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the athletics Lampkin.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: See, I'm putting Lampkin.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna yeah, yeah, I'm with you on those four.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It was just like, if they keep a tenth guy
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: between Majors and Morris, it would probably be Morris.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this question, because you're asking me
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: about defense, now, where would you go heavy knowing the
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: injury situations now and the issue with eighty seven stours
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: clearly not being ready to play a full time role.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think Vic sort of gave as he
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: usually does, He gave an honest answer. I mean he's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: ready to go with a four man edge rotation instead
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of three until Grenard's ready, because he's he said in
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the press conference, we got to get who the two backups,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Epanessa and Aka ready and going. They've got to like
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: he said that they are having good camps, but and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: then they have to continue to ramp it up without Grenard.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: So it made me think that in his mind he's
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: seeing a four man rotation at least to start the year.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Off until is back. And I agree, we've agreed.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: We thought it would be nice to have that even
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: with Grenard healthy, but now without you definitely need that well.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: And he did say, you know they got Epanessa in
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the first Preeceson gave you. They went after him. Ravens
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: did because he's not a coverage player. He has to
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: learn because you have to cover the flat and mix defense,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: and he's learning. He said it was actually good that
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: it happened. Yeah, yeah, I Vic was not in rare form.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: He was himself.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: He just told it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: He told you what he thought. He didn't he didn't
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: couch anything. Yeah. So yeah, it's my thoughts on this.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: On defense, are we know Jonathan Jones is technically a
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: third corner. They don't have a fourth corner. They don't
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: know who it is, and a lot of guys who
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: are Jones. Jones was in Jersey and they didn't he
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: didn't wear anything else. Matt McWilliams clearly is not the
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: fourth who could play nickel or corner. Bennett's hurt, Ambry
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Thomas is like a fifth corner. Sean Way was hurt.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: One of the other two guys was hurt, and they
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: brought an Isiah bolt in, the former Patriot who's also tall.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: He was, by the way, they finally have size a corner. Boy.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: They have a lot of guys are six feet are taller.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Interesting, So I think it's fair to say we had
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: this conversation. They really don't have a third or a
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: fourth corner because at this point, the fact finding on
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones has been stunted for over a week now,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and who knows when he's gonna be back. And he
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: can just make the team because one day he's healthy,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: if he misses three weeks or four weeks, he'll be
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: He'll be on there. He'll be on the team, right
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: but maybe not as the number three. I don't know
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: if they can trust him as the number three. You
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: may see how they need on your front.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: They need to see him on the field, they need
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: to get what you're saying is they need to get
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: a feel for where he's at right, you know, So
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: that that's an issue.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And there's always the the gene element of if we
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: really need if we get an injury at corner, whether
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: it's Mitchell or Onolle and where Jones isn't ready or
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: we're not confident, but we'd like how Michael Carter.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Has played, and he's played well, then we.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Can play the jine at outside corner and then get
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Carter in that safety spot along with Makuba and and
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Epps in that rotation.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, on that point, clearly the starter. It's I'm probably
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: gonna want to be in wrong. I thought Carter was
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: going to beat him out. I really did that. That's
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: one I'd like to have.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think I think my thought process was right.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I just thought it would be way closer. I mean,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: he picked it. Say it's still it's still up in
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: the air. But I just thought that with Carter's he's
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: a better athlete, he's younger. He did play it in college.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I just thought, because he's got better ranged. By the way,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: as is more of a box safety, Carter moves better. Yeah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: but again we've got two and a half three weeks
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: until they make that decision. Try to junior fifty four.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: He's just he's a stud. He's he had an interception,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: he diagnoses Vic talked about it. I thought it was
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: a great explanation because it was what I was thinking.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: His cognitive ability to see it before it happens. It's
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: just rare. Yep. I know he's smaller than you want,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: but so what. Look, he's he's just he's a really
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: good football player. And if you remember, Cosell liked Trotter's
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: tape better than then Kobe's in college, just based on college.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Adamant about that just until yeah he so and and
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: by the way.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Greg's been wall not the Kobe became a study. Look,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Greg was right on Trotter. This kid's a player. As
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: a fifth round pick, he's just not felt like his dad.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, right, Okay, ten years behind his time. Because we
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: joked about this and I joked about the interview. If
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: this guy came along ten years ago, he would have
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: been probably the third best player of the Eagles defense.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, when's when's the last time Eagles had a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: really good off ball linebacker who couldn't make it into
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the starting lineup. But I mean, that's that's crazy.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, now, I post this question to Andrew, and
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I said it prefaces by saying, I know VIC does
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: not rotate his iobs Okay, I get that. However, Campbell
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: played in the preseason game last week, okay, when the
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: starters didn't. Yes, he's secondly started because he needs the reps.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: VIC didn't say it, but I know the way it works.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: If Campbell had been having a great training camp, he's
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: not playing in that game. Despite yes, he was hurt
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: last year, missed a significant amount of time. I get
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: that VIC brought that up. That's fine, But if you're
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: having a good training camp, you're not playing this game.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: That's just the way it works, right. So now, like
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying is, well, let's say Campbell because he's
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: not instinctive like Trott's. Mhm, is there a way Situationally,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I know it's not what VIC does, but is there
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: a situation where they can get Trotter and over Campbell.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I I'm trying to wonder what it could be.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: But I'm not wrong.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: You can do it by moving Bonne onto the line
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: in like a pass run because they played Bond at
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the edge anyway, he's he has a Saints Yeah, oh
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: yeah right, But you're what you're sacrificing there is like
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that would be a pass rush package because you're sacrificing
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: them in coverage because you have a five man line.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Now you didn't take anybody right with with Bond moving
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: up and.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Then two lineback off all iyeback are still with Campbell
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and Trotter, that's seven, so you only have four defensive backs.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So you better get to a quarterback or else you're
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: gonna be undermanned in coverage. But you may want to
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: sacrifice that for having good pass rushers like trot and
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Bond and Campbell and your interior guys and your edges
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: all on the field at one time.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I mean there, there's there's some things that they could
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: do there.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I'm interested to see what happens because he's he's so good,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: he's so disciplined. To me, is a starring linebacker. I
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: final takeaway from the defense from this week and just recently,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: and we talked about the cornerback situation. I don't see
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: them keeping more than because of Coop playing safety. I
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: just don't see. I know how to say, I'm done,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: it's done some good things. Number thirty one. He had
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: a pick in one of the two practices. I just
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: don't see it.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a guy.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they can get through waivers. Yeah, I mean, Carter,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Coop Apps, Makober, your safety is why would you keep
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: a fifth? JT. Gray is technically safety, but he's special
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: teams only right ring he is.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: He has been doing first team kickoff coverage JT.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Gray, So well he's a special team as.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but yeah, that's true. You wouldn't put him
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: on the set. You're right, right.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna be on the fifty three,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: but that is a key element.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: So we'll say, I don't know, may he makes it well?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Actually with Gray, see, they could play the practice like
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: the Bucks last season they played the practice squad game
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: of of elevations for game day. That he goes back
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: right that that's the way to save roster space. I
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: mean that's you could. You could absolutely do that. But overall,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: even with the Grenard situation, Hunt had a couple of
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: good days. You got Nolan Smith, you got Ebicatti, you
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: got Epenesa. They're fine. And Jose Mirros was great. By
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: the way, in the preseason game. I was told last week,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I know he's a long shot, but he's a guy,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: practice squad guy, right, that you can look at. But
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: the thing is you got to understand. Other teams watched
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: that tape. That's where you know. That's what I heard.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Someone from another team told me he was He was
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: great in the Eagles tape. He said, Wow, this small
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: kid from eastern Michigan could play. Yeah, and he was,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: as we mentioned when they brought him in, he was
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: the the mac player, the defensive player of the year.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: So he's an interesting guy. It's it's sort of the
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: the the defense is rounding into shape terms of roles mostly,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: but the pecking orders the issue. And I'm also interested
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: tomorrow does Jahad play in this game? Does Jahad play?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: That would be interesting and tell tale All right, let's
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: get to this game then and talk about some who's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: important for But I do I do want.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: To put a bow and say something.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: You said something really important that I want our audience
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to understand because the idea. I've always felt this way,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad you said it. The idea of winning
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and losing a joint practice. It's not even to me
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a rational discussion because of what you said. The teams
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: they'll tell you that it's scripted and controlled, and it is,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and they're running plays that they've scripted, but they are
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: not running plays against dispos specifically against the opponent they're facing.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: You said, they're not game planning against each other. It's
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: really just our guys versus your guys. Our guys running
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: our plays, your guys running your play. Sometimes you're gonna
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: all play to see something out of your guys that's
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: not necessarily great for the defensive look, but you're gonna
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: run in anyone. You just want to see the block
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and you want to see individuals how they carry out
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: their assignment. So it doesn't matter, I mean, the whole
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: winning and losing on people get so up and armed
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: It don't matter.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: It doesn't, but it did happen. I remember the Browns
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: talking to them, so I think in twenty two the
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Eagles were in Bria, he was absolutely picked their ass
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: It was obvious.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Right, But that's because they had so much more talent
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: than the brain.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: The Browns remember that, and I remember talking to them
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: and I don't want to call it game, but they
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: remembered it, and they made sure that they brought the
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: energy and they they wanted to make sure they want
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: some things. Yeah, and I asked us, sad do you
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: guys do I remember talking to one of the coaches
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: coming off the fee goes. I think he goes. I'll
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: watch the tape. But I think we even it up
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: this time because in their home, the fans were not
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: allowed in for that one that they might there might
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: have been fifty season ticket holders, but there was nothing.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: There was really knowing there, right, and they felt just
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: embarrassed because you just mentioned it. The Eagles roster was
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: all star. Yeah. And I talked to this former NFL
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: head coach who was also a coordinator the league, and
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: he was doing a trend camp tour and I said,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: what do you think, coach, he goes, that's a super
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Bowl team. I've told this story before and I was like,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: how do you know he goes. I could tell uh huh,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: like there he goes. The roster's great. Their execution is ridiculous.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: And this was Nex's second year and Nick. I'm not
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: saying Nick doesn't get animated, but he I think when
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Andy did this, you know this, when Andy came in,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: he would go off a little bit like he would coach,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: like he would let it be known, Hey, this is
• 34:37
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• 34:39
  Speaker 3: And Nick was Nick got after it a little bit,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: and I just was marveled at this. Coach tells me, Oh,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: this is a super Bowl team. I mean, this is
• 34:47
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• 34:49
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• 34:52
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  Speaker 2: All right, So for this game Saturday against the Patriots,
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  Speaker 2: we'll be at to Lett Stadium there. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: important for the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, especially coming off that awful first game against
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens. Again, you don't put much into it, but
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you do want to see your offense function better. I
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: think cutting down penalties has to be a big key
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to because there were too many penalties in.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: The first all the prestoff stuff. This is something we've
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: talked about, I don't know, three four years. It's just
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: saying coaching, if it's happening repeatedly, you're allowing it. That
• 38:06
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• 38:08
  Speaker 3: whatever you're doing to reach your players is not working,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: and you need to change the way you do it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's one I would say. I'm gonna I'm
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: gonna keep a watchful eye. In fact, I'm gonna ask
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Greg to start watching the those preseason tape because he
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: did what yeah, oh go, yeah, he did in fact great.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I remember our first show of them for the season start,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: we did like a preview, and I asked, I asked
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: him to watch well because a lot of it had
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: to do with Darius Cooper because we because there was
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: no there was no tape on this guy. There's no
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: All Star game, right, it's hard to you know you
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: and Greg was like, great, it goes Yeah, this kid's
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: probably he put its a weight on. He doesn't look
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: the same, but yeah, so what do I want to
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: see Michael Jordan. We haven't talked about him a lot,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: a lot number seventy nine, the Journeyman guard. We know
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: about Kendall. We need to learn more about majors see
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Markel Bell, Michael Morris. We just talked about Lampkin, pretty
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: bad about Ojoku? Who Ojuku is? You know he's lined
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: up a garden tackle like Dave really Cross trained him.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: And Stowurs. You know what with Stours huge, Let's line
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: him up as a slot tight end or at the exposition. Well,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: let's just see what this guy could do. Let's see
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: his athleticism. McKee, by the way, threw better in Thursday's practice.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Go good. And then let's if Hollywood Brown's playing, he
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: should because he goes are down a bunch of receivers.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Could you take a shot play with him? Yeah? One,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: give us one.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I agree that I want I want to see Stowers
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: both ways. I want to see him use the way
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: to capitalize on the strengths, flex him out, throw them
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the ball.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: But I also continue to want to see him in line,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: maybe as in twelve personnel on the backside of a
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of a wide zone, just to get because he needs
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: that work.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: So you just I don't care if it looks bad.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be like surprised, but I mean
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: he needs.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: To work there, yep. And then defensively, I want see
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: more of a Nolan Smith number three wearing Bryce Harper's number.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Isn't Harper three? Yeah, more of Ty Robinson, who was
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: phenomenal last week's game. Vic said Vic Vic as he
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: only could do Ty was on life support. I just
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: got life.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: That was just I was.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I was standing like five feet from him. I looked
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: at the reporters like did he just say?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Did he really?
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I loved it, I mean because he he told the truth,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: like he had not had a good training camp and
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: he kicked ass. And then you know, we haven't talked
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: about smile mind in much. Number forty two. Yeah, let's
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: let's keep a watchful eye on him. I know it's
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: hard if you're not watching coaching people that We'll keep
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: an eye on him. Let's see the past rush and
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: could someone could one of the backup corners step up here,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: gusha Kin, mac McWilliams, Ambry Thomas, could someone like have
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: a good game where they could at least play into
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: the conversation about potentially making the fifty three?
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Right, Benet's still out right, Rim was still out yeah
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And obviously Ringo will get his opportunities, but
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: we know where, we know where he's.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Although there's so many corners, he might start say he was.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Coming on a little. So that was nice to hear
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Vic say that.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Well, honestly, here's the thing. I'm not saying it's gonna happen.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: But you've got five backups. We haven't shown anything or
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: not worthy of being on the team.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: No, Ringo is an elite special teams player, Okay, right,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: if they can't find a fourth corner, he might be.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: He might be in the I'm just telling you, folks,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I know, I know we're gonna get some daggers thrown
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: at us.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: No, he's not.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: He's not a corner.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: We get that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: We told you that four years ago.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I know that's funny. It would be the opposite of
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the dagger throwers who used to tell us that Ringo
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: was gonna be great and we're just way off.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: But Vic just said it, and Vic, you're gonna do
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: what you're gonna do. He knows the defense. Yeah, you
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: don't want him out there, but on the shopping list
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: for Howie for trades were signed veterans after week one,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: so they don't guarantee anyone, you know, for the season.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Corner's got to be on the list, man, This is
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: just not acceptable. Like if they got what what was it,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: twenty four they got away with it, or twenty to
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: twenty two season they got away with with Rad Burry
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: and Slight not having quality backup. Yep, we would say
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: it every week. So I'm better not get hurt and
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: they didn't. You don't want to be in that situation.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: You just don't. They're just need one veteran, a journeyman.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying Dory Jackson, but somebody like that. He
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: just could stick in there if you if you're struggling
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: with injury, because man, this division, I'm telling you this
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: finally here of NFC eas is up for grabs. Eagles
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: are slight favored by the odds makers. I would agree
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: with that and I'm about you, I'd agree with it. Yeah, yeah,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: every slight. The Dallas hype is sickening. We're not even fans,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: and this's like I grew up here, so I can't
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: it's like ridiculous that the hype on the Dallas Yeah.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you are talking about upper echelon talent,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: blue chip talent, the Cowboys probably have the second most
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: in the division, but they also probably have the most
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: starters who probably shouldn't be starting, especially defense, So I
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: don't know, it drags them down a little bit.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's it.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, I think that it's fair to say,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: especially after the first joint practice, that the kicker has
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: got to make all of his kicks, because I think
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: it made a little people nervous that he missed a
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: few on what it was Wednesday's practice, right then he
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: missed a couple.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw him. Yeah, I just happened to watch him.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: He pushed a couple right in a row, two or
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: three in a row, and then he that it got
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: and then he got it in. I'm Jake Gallio. It's
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: kind of had a crossroads mm hmm, like guaranteed money's
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: expired after the season. Yes, they didn't bring anyone in.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: We all said it. Wait, it's I don't agree with it.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. You just but look, you could always do
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: it in season. It's nothing good with them for doing it.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: But he's I mean, the punished phenomenal man. It's a
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: great fun by Howie.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: But Jake kicks. The Eagles need Elliott to make missed.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Fix fifteen field goals over two, So that's ridiculous.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: It's bad. Yeah, all right, So that will all be
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: under the microscope.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: It'll be the second preseason game, and then they'll come
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: back to South Philly and then the third preseason game
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: against the Bengals, but no more joint practice as surprisingly
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: as we get out of here. The Eagles are still
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: keeping practice open to the media for a couple of days,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: even after it used to shut down after the second
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: preseason game.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: But now apparently it's going to be open for a
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: little bit longer.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: So that's good for us, and we will have more
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: reports from training camp after the preseason game. Next time
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: you're hearing from us, it'll be me and Adam recapping
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: what we did see Saturday night in the preseason game.
• 44:36
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• 44:39
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