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Credlin | 9 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Petero Kranbland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Thank you Steve Price
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Speaker 2: for filling in Foravewa.
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Speaker 3: I was in Japan.
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Speaker 2: Great to have had you in the chair for what's
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Speaker 2: been a momentous week for world events. Back now, none
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Speaker 2: of those big headlines have abated, have they, So let's
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Speaker 2: get into what he is, what's coming up on the
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Speaker 2: program this evening defends expert Retired Brigadier Ian Langford joins
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Speaker 2: me as strikes against Iran ramp up and talk of
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Speaker 2: military support from Australia. I also put his view on
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Speaker 2: reports the munition supply chain for the West isn't as
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Speaker 2: strong as it should be. And how about our Prime
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Speaker 2: minister giving every impression that he's afraid to speak out
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Speaker 2: against the Iranian regime for fear of upsetting Islamic voters
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Speaker 2: in Australia.
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Speaker 3: The Iranian women's soccer team, already under.
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Speaker 2: Threat for refusing to sing their national anthem last week,
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Speaker 2: calls to allow them to stay in Australia provided they
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Speaker 2: passed security checks. Surely that we can take in all
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Speaker 2: those guars and those Islamic state women, These freedom fighters
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Speaker 2: should be allowed, plus a staggering number of Australian children
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Speaker 2: on puberty blockers.
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Speaker 3: And that's just those we know of. The bulk of
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Speaker 3: the states.
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Speaker 2: Refused to release any key data, and with oil facilities
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Speaker 2: targeted and trade routes now close, there are serious questions
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Speaker 2: for the government to answer about just how secure Australia's
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Speaker 2: fuel reserves really are.
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Speaker 3: Thirty days fuel in Australia is not enough.
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Speaker 4: Chris Bowen said that we have thirty four days of
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Speaker 4: diesel supply. Farmers already are reporting fuels not being delivered
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Speaker 4: to farms, and rural and regional towns are out of
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Speaker 4: diesel at first.
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Speaker 2: Whatever Australians might think of the war in Iran, we
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Speaker 2: can't avoid its impact. For one thing, fuel prices have
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Speaker 2: already sold and shortages could develop. But the war in
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Speaker 2: Iran should mean more to us than just any impact
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Speaker 2: at the Bowser, because it's the latest chapter in the
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Speaker 2: long struggle between political Islam and the West that's also
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Speaker 2: playing out here in Australia, as evidenced by the number
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Speaker 2: of mosques and prayer rooms that have held memorial services
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Speaker 2: for the dead Aatola.
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Speaker 3: How any Australian.
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Speaker 2: Worthy of the name would want to mourn. The dictator
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Speaker 2: is beyond me. His murderous record, his expert of terrorism,
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Speaker 2: his subjugation of women, and his implacable desire for nuclear
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Speaker 2: weapons to use on any country that would stand in
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Speaker 2: the way of his global caliphate means we should celebrate
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Speaker 2: his removal, not regret it. And the fact that some
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Speaker 2: in Australia can't see that this should be a wake
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Speaker 2: up call for all of us just staggers me, because
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Speaker 2: what's happening in Iran matters as much of the wider
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Speaker 2: world as it does for the long oppressed Iranians. Contemporary
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Speaker 2: Iran is what happens when a country succumbs to political Islam.
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Speaker 2: Prosperity disappears, women are forcibly veiled, and the country's natural
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Speaker 2: strength exhausted, and a series of wars aimed at subjecting
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Speaker 2: first its neighbors and then the wider world to Islamic rule.
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Speaker 2: That's why it's the last thing we need more of
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Speaker 2: in Australia. Continuously since the nineteen seventy nine Islamic Revolution,
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Speaker 2: Iran's been waging overt and covert war against its neighbors
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Speaker 2: Iraq and the Gulf States as much as Israel and America,
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Speaker 2: often using proxies such as Hamas Hezblah and the Houties.
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Speaker 2: The currents' indiscriminate attacks on every country within its weapons reach,
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Speaker 2: from Cyprus to Azerbaijan and the Gulf States in Saudi
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Speaker 2: Arabia shows its apocalyptic intent, hence the importance of ensuring
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Speaker 2: that it never obtained the nuclear weapons needed to deliver
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Speaker 2: death to the infidel on a genocidal scale. The pity
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Speaker 2: is that distaste for Donald Trump, an epic failure to
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Speaker 2: grasp the real nature of political Islam, and the political
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Speaker 2: cowardice of Western politicians with large Islamic constituencies has left
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Speaker 2: Israel and America.
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Speaker 3: To do all the heavy lifting now.
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Speaker 2: Typically, the Albanzy government's first reaction to the joint Israeli
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Speaker 2: and American preemptive strikes was Foreign Minister Penny Wong's call
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Speaker 2: the de escalation.
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Speaker 5: We do not want to see this escalate into a
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Speaker 5: wider regional conflict. I am concerned that the conflict is
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Speaker 5: spreading so much. At some point there has to be
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Speaker 5: a return to diplomacy and dialogue.
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Speaker 2: Likewise, the green left British labor government refusing permission for
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Speaker 2: American forces to operate out of a UK basis on
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Speaker 2: the basis that destroying Iranian nuclear facilities was a breach
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Speaker 2: of international law.
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Speaker 6: Mister Speaker of the United Kingdom was not involved in
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Speaker 6: the initial strikes on Iran by the US and Israel.
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Speaker 6: That decision was deliberate. We believe that the best way
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Speaker 6: forward for the region, for the world is a negotiated settlement.
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Speaker 2: Even though international law hardly exists to protect rogue nations
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Speaker 2: preparations to annihilate others. Now, Trump was merely stating the
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Speaker 2: obvious when he observed that the so called special relationship
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Speaker 2: between the US and the UK was not like it
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Speaker 2: used to be, and then he attacked the hapless serkis
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Speaker 2: Starmer not happy.
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Speaker 7: With the UK.
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Speaker 3: This is not Winston Churchill that we're dealing with.
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Speaker 2: He is no Churchill. We can say that again. But
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Speaker 2: our Prime minister has been a little better. Here's the
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Speaker 2: unedifying spectacle of Albanzy tying himself in knots to distance
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Speaker 2: Australian personnel on a US submarine from any involvement in
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Speaker 2: the sinking of an Iranian ship.
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Speaker 8: I can confirm that there were three Australian personnel on
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Speaker 8: board that vessel I can confirm also though, that no
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Speaker 8: Australian personnel have participated in any offensive action against Iran.
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Speaker 2: What like they're somehow submarine tourists, as if being actual
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Speaker 2: combatants in a cause of Prime Minister says his supports
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Speaker 2: would somehow have been shameful.
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Speaker 3: The fact that.
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Speaker 2: Some labor branches ALP political branches have still condemned the
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Speaker 2: Albanesi government even for no more than nominal support for
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Speaker 2: the attack shows the sway of the Green left inside labor.
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Speaker 2: Not to mention the utter hypocrisy of all the activists
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Speaker 2: who were against civilian deaths if they result from the
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Speaker 2: Israel just war against himas but not if they result
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Speaker 2: from the Muller's brutal suppression of its own people. Now,
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Speaker 2: the problem for people like Anthony Albanezi and Penny Wong
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Speaker 2: is that they entered public life to be active, not
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Speaker 2: to be politicians that we can trust with national security.
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Speaker 2: Their focus has never been on preserving Australia, but changing it,
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Speaker 2: whether that's changing the constitution, changing the date of Australia Day,
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Speaker 2: hiding the national flag behind indigenous ones, or changing the
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Speaker 2: ethnic makeup of our country, with almost no regard for
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Speaker 2: social cohesion as university radicals, both of them now translated
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Speaker 2: into positions of power and responsibility. Howmany is in Wong
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Speaker 2: fund It hard to grasp that America might actually be
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Speaker 2: more right than wrong.
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Speaker 3: Here there might actually be a need.
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Speaker 2: For strong military force and even for the use of
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Speaker 2: our armies. The Bondbe massacre was a huge domestic alarm
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Speaker 2: bell about the perils of political Islam, and now the
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Speaker 2: war to stop Iranian nuclear weapons is a massive global one.
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Speaker 2: But nothing, it would seem, can shake the leftist complacency
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Speaker 2: of the.
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Speaker 3: Current Australian government.
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Speaker 2: At least the Coalition seems to be waking up with
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Speaker 2: reports today that the Coalition will force visitors appealing against
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Speaker 2: their visa cancelations to leave Australia and with much stricter
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Speaker 2: vetting of visa applicants too from terror hotspots. Now, let
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Speaker 2: that be just the start of a much tougher immigration
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Speaker 2: policy for this country.
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Speaker 9: I said right from day one, we need to shut
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Speaker 9: the door to people who will bring hate and terror
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Speaker 9: to our shores from another place.
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Speaker 2: Look, the Irani war has also highlighted our chronic lack
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Speaker 2: of energy security. It's more than a decade since we've
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Speaker 2: had the ninety days supply of liquid fuels on shore.
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Speaker 2: That's the mandated amount we should have in our stockpile
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Speaker 2: under the international energy rules. The eight refineries we once
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Speaker 2: had with their storage has just dwindled to two, partly
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Speaker 2: because of labor government and aversion to fossil fuels. We've
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Speaker 2: currently got less than a month of petrol, diesel and
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Speaker 2: avgas here in Australia, meaning that any prolonged disruption to
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Speaker 2: the Persian golf could bring economic activity here to a
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Speaker 2: virtual standstill. Global oil and gas prices have already spie
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Speaker 2: some thirty percent. Petrol prompt prices have already jumped from
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Speaker 2: about a dollar sixty eleter to well over two dollars aleter.
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Speaker 2: Just days after the bombing in around commenced. Labor accused
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Speaker 2: anyone concerned about fuel supply is running some sort of.
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Speaker 3: Far right conspiracy.
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Speaker 2: And now that we've got these supply issues as predicted, well,
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Speaker 2: what's labor solution?
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Speaker 3: Just get an electric car, they tell you. Have a listen.
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Speaker 10: What is really going on is the extreme right wing
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Speaker 10: one nation party National Party, Liberal Party approach to this,
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Speaker 10: which is to deceive Australians, to deceive Australians about what
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Speaker 10: is really going on here.
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Speaker 11: Is making a difference for ordinary households who are able
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Speaker 11: to access electric vehicles, who drive cast petrol stations and
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Speaker 11: see the signs on the petrol stations.
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Speaker 7: That is a fuel security measure right there?
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Speaker 3: He the clown, isn't he hang on? Both?
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Speaker 2: Sixty percent of the East Coast's electricity right now comes
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Speaker 2: from coal. These are electric cars, is are coal fired cars?
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Speaker 2: Despite all the Albanezy government subsidies, evs are less than
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Speaker 2: two percent of the cars on our roads. Nearly all
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Speaker 2: of them are made in China, so potentially their networked
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Speaker 2: into Beijing as well. Energy security, if herb me say
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Speaker 2: is over and over again, energy security is national security.
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Speaker 2: What doesn't the Albanese government get all right, Let's go
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Speaker 2: to Camber now for the headlines. Skynese political reporter Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 12: Australia is considering a request to help defend the Golf
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Speaker 12: states from an Iranian attack, but it won't say which
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Speaker 12: country asked for help.
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Speaker 13: Our assessment is going on regarding that, we can't comment
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Speaker 13: anymore on that.
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Speaker 12: The Greens are advocating against providing any military aid to
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Speaker 12: Golf countries as it criticizes the conflict. The opposition is
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Speaker 12: signaling its potential support.
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Speaker 14: The coalition will consider any such request as we know.
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Speaker 14: There's not been no formal request when there is appropriate information.
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Speaker 12: The families of diplomats in the UAE are being advised
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Speaker 12: to leave. Australia share market is recovering after the ASX
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Speaker 12: suffered its worst day since April last year. The market
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Speaker 12: lost about one hundred and thirty billion dollars early this afternoon,
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Speaker 12: triggered by surging oil prices and fears of a long
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Speaker 12: war in Iran. At one point today, the ASX was
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Speaker 12: down as much as four point three percent, putting it
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Speaker 12: on track for the steepest single day fall since the
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Speaker 12: early days of the COVID nineteen pandemic. An Australian petrol
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Speaker 12: company is rationing fuel as the Middle East conflict restricts
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Speaker 12: oil supply and increases prices. United Petroleum says it suspended
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Speaker 12: normal fuel allocations effective immediately, citing uncertainty and potential disruption
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Speaker 12: to shipping routes.
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Speaker 10: If this wall goes on for too long and the
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Speaker 10: ore price remains over one hundred US dollars a barrel,
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Speaker 10: a global recession is the big issue.
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Speaker 12: The government maintains there is no immediate threat to fuel supply.
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Speaker 2: All right, gooding man, Now for my panel, Chris Juman's
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Speaker 2: not with us tonight, it will be with us on
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Speaker 2: Wednesday night. Of course, you do not want to miss
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Speaker 2: the Howard documentary, which we'll screen here on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: But let's bring in my panel, National Affairs Editor, Daily Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: Sky News host of course, James Morrow, the Deputy executive
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Speaker 2: director at the IPA, Daniel wil Gentlemen, let's start with
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Speaker 2: this fuel issue.
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Speaker 15: Dan.
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Speaker 2: Every time I talk fuel, I remember the late great
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Speaker 2: Jim Molan who put this on the agenda. I think
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Speaker 2: about twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, so a long time ago. Yes,
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Speaker 2: we're focused on the potentially increases to people at the
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Speaker 2: bowser in Australia.
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Speaker 15: Right.
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Speaker 2: We know cost of livings biting, but what concerns me
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Speaker 2: is our food, our fiber, our resources supply chain, particularly
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Speaker 2: our farmers.
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Speaker 3: We've got issues not just with the.
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Speaker 2: Diesel they need for the paddocks, but real issues with fertilizer.
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Speaker 2: About a quarter of the globe's nitrogen comes out of
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Speaker 2: the straits of Homus. As I say, we've been warning
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Speaker 2: about this. It's called a right wing conspiracy if you
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Speaker 2: listen to labor. But we have been warning about this
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Speaker 2: four years.
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Speaker 16: Well, exactly right, Peter. And the other thing that Jim
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Speaker 16: Molan used to say is that national security is a
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Speaker 16: whole of economy, whole of society issue, that it can't
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Speaker 16: just speak quarantine one particular department or portfolio. And how
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Speaker 16: precient he was. Look, the other point I'd make is
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Speaker 16: we've been let down by a political class that just
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Speaker 16: doesn't get it. I mean, how is it the case
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Speaker 16: that we only have two oil refineries left. As you
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Speaker 16: pointed out, we're outsourcing our manufacturing sector. We can't really
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Speaker 16: make anything of value any more. Energy costs are too
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Speaker 16: high for us to be able to do that. We're
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Speaker 16: shipping coal and gas and uranium overseas, but we don't
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Speaker 16: use it ourselves, so we have some of the highest
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Speaker 16: electricity prices in the developed world. This is all self inflicted.
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Speaker 16: There's always going to be global events. The question for
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Speaker 16: policy makers is what can they do to make our
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Speaker 16: nation more resilient, and they have failed comprehensively at that.
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Speaker 16: I found the comments of Tim Ayre's very funny that
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Speaker 16: you played before, because I reckon. That's the Liberal Party's
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Speaker 16: first campaign ad. You know, if you're one of the
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Speaker 16: ninety eight percent of Australians that doesn't own electric vehicle,
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Speaker 16: Labor doesn't give us stuff about you. They say, oh,
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Speaker 16: drive past the bows, or if you've got an EV
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Speaker 16: well that's all well and good. It's two dollars thirty
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Speaker 16: when I was driving here. So you know, the idea
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Speaker 16: that Labor has, any idea what's happening on the ground
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Speaker 16: is now complete and total fast. So look, unfortunately, I
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Speaker 16: just don't think the government gets it. And as I say,
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Speaker 16: we've been let down by political leaders who have outsourced
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Speaker 16: our sovereign capabilities to hostile foreign nations.
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Speaker 2: You know, James Morrow, in the Howard era, I worked
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Speaker 2: in the immigration portfolio. This is the time, of course,
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Speaker 2: when Philip Ruddick was it was running the show as minister.
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Speaker 2: And if you wanted to change your visa class, if
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Speaker 2: you had been knocked back to stay in Australia, you
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Speaker 2: had to leave Australia in order to put in another application.
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Speaker 3: That's long gone.
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Speaker 2: You now can obviously work your way through the Administry
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Speaker 2: of Appeals Tribunal. You can be on the taxpayer coin
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Speaker 2: to appeal all the way to the High Court. The
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Speaker 2: coolis she wants to get rid of this loophole, wants
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Speaker 2: to go back to the old Howard government era. This
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Speaker 2: is a great move. They also want to overhaul the
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Speaker 2: countries that you can come from, and they're going to
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Speaker 2: want to see extra checks if it come from a
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Speaker 2: country that would consider extremist or radicalized. Absolutely about time.
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Speaker 15: Oh Peter, look, I agree with you, and I was
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Speaker 15: cheering when I read these headlines this morning. It seems
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Speaker 15: like they are really serious about getting serious about some
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Speaker 15: of these issues here. I mean you mentioned the Administrative
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Speaker 15: Appeals tribuneal. Now the art that is just it is
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Speaker 15: just scandalous, the way that has been abused over the years,
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Speaker 15: the way bridging visas have been abused. There are now
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Speaker 15: something like one hundred thousand people in this country who
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Speaker 15: have stayed through their entire series of appeals and appeals
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Speaker 15: and appeals and peals, got knocked back every step of
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Speaker 15: the way, and they're still in the country. We can't
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Speaker 15: get rid of them. This is a huge problem that
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Speaker 15: we have right now. People say we don't have an
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Speaker 15: illegal immigration problem, Well kind of we do, and this
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Speaker 15: would be you know, making people go to their home
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Speaker 15: country to reapply would be a huge I think step
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Speaker 15: forward on this. But what has to happen here is
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Speaker 15: it has to be a recognition that there's it's not
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Speaker 15: a positive rate to come to Australia, you know, like
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Speaker 15: it's a privilege. It's not a rate. We decide, go
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Speaker 15: back to the Howard construction. We decide who comes to
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Speaker 15: this country. It's not about your putting in a visa application. Well,
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Speaker 15: we presume you have the right to come as long
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Speaker 15: as you you know, meet the checks or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to this information we saw today Dan federal
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Speaker 2: Government's rolling out this new eighty four page teaching resource,
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Speaker 2: another thing to load into the curriculum about Australia's war history.
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Speaker 2: It's got a whole lot of stuff in here about
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Speaker 2: colonial genocide, the Australian Wars. Now, yes, there was history
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Speaker 2: between white Australia and our Aboriginal Australia. But I tell
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Speaker 2: you what, I've had a good flick through this document
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Speaker 2: already there is scarcely a mention of our greatest wartime general,
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Speaker 2: the Great Sir John Monash. Perhaps because he's Jewish, I
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Speaker 2: would hate that's not to be the case. But I
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Speaker 2: tell you what's scarcely mentioned. There's a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: stuff in there about Aboriginal wars, but I don't think
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Speaker 2: enough focus on the Second World War and the First
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Speaker 2: World War. As I said with Monash, and I'm worried
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Speaker 2: about the direction here of this military history revisionism.
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Speaker 16: Well, I share your concerns. And it comes on the
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Speaker 16: back of Jason Clair, education Minister a couple of weeks
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Speaker 16: ago saying that he wanted more pride, more Australian pride,
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Speaker 16: to be in the national curriculum. Well, I agree with that,
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Speaker 16: but this seems to be completely and totally at odds
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Speaker 16: with that. And look, we all want to have a
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Speaker 16: proper balanced curriculum the good, the bad and the ugly
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Speaker 16: of Australian history. But I've got to say the overwhelming
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Speaker 16: majority of Australia's history is good. It is a positive.
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Speaker 16: It is a positive that we will settled by the British,
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Speaker 16: the democracy, the rule of law, equal rights for all
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Speaker 16: of us. I mean, people just underestimate how big of
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Speaker 16: a deal that was. You can go all the way
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Speaker 16: back to the Cable case of seventeen eighty eight. You
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Speaker 16: can go to the secret ballot. Go to the nineteen
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Speaker 16: sixty seven referendum where ninety percent of Australians said that
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Speaker 16: we're all equal. I mean, time and time again, Australia
19:07
Speaker 16: has shown the world that not only do we sort
19:09
Speaker 16: of pioneer these ideas in Australia, but we form ideas
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Speaker 16: that are the cornerstone of democracy around the world. And
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Speaker 16: my concern is exactly yours that we have this sort
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Speaker 16: of inward looking negative view that is pushed on the children.
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Speaker 16: They come out of school, they come out of university
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Speaker 16: thinking that we're a terrible country. That's why they're not
19:27
Speaker 16: signing up for the armed forces. By the way, we're
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Speaker 16: just talking about how national defenses of whole of society issue. Well,
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Speaker 16: you're not going to sign up to defend a country
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Speaker 16: that you believe is a bad country. So look, I
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Speaker 16: already think the government needs to get its act together
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Speaker 16: on this and make sure children understand what a great
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Speaker 16: nation we really are.
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Speaker 2: You Mike, My words, Dan, just like they came after
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Speaker 2: Australia Day. This is about diminishing the story of the ANZAC.
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Speaker 2: It's about diminishing the role of the ADF in the
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Speaker 2: Second World War and beyond and it's about trying to
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Speaker 2: dismantle the love a lot of Australians have and the
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Speaker 2: enormous respect they have for the twenty fifth of April.
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Speaker 2: That's the next play. Let's just look at the by election.
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Speaker 2: The Pharaoh by election announced a course when I was
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Speaker 2: away for the ninth of May, three days.
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Speaker 3: Before the federal budget.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you what's going on here, James. The
20:16
Speaker 2: government knows they're in trouble with the budget, right, they're
20:18
Speaker 2: not going to be able to contain any of their spending.
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Speaker 2: They are responsible then for the concominant spikes of inflation
20:26
Speaker 2: and the hit on mortgage holders. So they're going to
20:28
Speaker 2: do two things here. They're going to try and make
20:30
Speaker 2: that budget week all about a flogging that they hope
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Speaker 2: the Liberals or the Nationals will get that Saturday in Farah.
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Speaker 2: And I'll also tie everything bad in the budget to
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Speaker 2: not our fault.
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Speaker 3: It's all to do.
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Speaker 15: With Iran, absolutely right. And you know the other thing too, Peter,
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Speaker 15: is that they're going to have this situation where the
20:52
Speaker 15: One Nation candidate is actually do quite well. I suspect
20:55
Speaker 15: they've got a serious player in that, somebod who's done agribusiness.
20:59
Speaker 3: David Charlie.
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Speaker 15: He is you know, he is a serious person. He's
21:03
Speaker 15: a serious candidate. He's got real links in the community.
21:05
Speaker 15: He's known, you know, he's a serious player. So whatever
21:09
Speaker 15: you say about one Nation candidate selection, sometimes I think
21:11
Speaker 15: they've got it right here. The other thing too, two
21:14
Speaker 15: other things too. You got the Liberal Nationals both running
21:16
Speaker 15: a candidate, so that's going to split the vote. And
21:19
Speaker 15: then you know you've got Aubrey which is in that seat,
21:22
Speaker 15: which is you know, got some university staff and it's
21:25
Speaker 15: got you know, a little bit of a Teal component
21:27
Speaker 15: in that. So that's going to wind up driving I
21:29
Speaker 15: think public service. I think I think the tax office
21:32
Speaker 15: has a big operations from there. I always get mail
21:35
Speaker 15: from them. Hi, guys, hope you're watching the but but
21:39
Speaker 15: they uh but so, so that's going to drive people
21:41
Speaker 15: towards the independent. It's really an independent one nation contest.
21:45
Speaker 15: I think the splitting of the vote is such a
21:47
Speaker 15: tactically unwise thing to do for the coalition to be doing.
21:52
Speaker 2: We need to expose in the media the Teal candidate
21:56
Speaker 2: because she's putting herself up as a community independent.
21:59
Speaker 3: This is Willthorpe.
22:00
Speaker 2: She ran quite well against Susan Lee last time round.
22:03
Speaker 3: I understand. I mean Susan Lee is.
22:05
Speaker 2: A Liberal, but the Liberal branches down there are in disarray.
22:08
Speaker 2: But they're basically with it on the vine. She had
22:10
Speaker 2: to be saved Susan Lee by moderates out of Sydney
22:12
Speaker 2: at a preselection last time. So there's not a lot
22:15
Speaker 2: of party infrastructure there for the Libs.
22:17
Speaker 3: In Farah.
22:17
Speaker 2: I think the NAT's at a little bit better off,
22:19
Speaker 2: but I think one nation's the one where there is
22:21
Speaker 2: the community enthusiasm. But you're right to say the bulk
22:25
Speaker 2: of the votes are in Awbury and it has got
22:27
Speaker 2: a very big sort of left wing union, public sector
22:32
Speaker 2: sort of tone to it. I hope to get up
22:34
Speaker 2: there and have a look and give you my views
22:36
Speaker 2: from the ground, but I'll leave it there, thank you, gentlemen. Now,
22:40
Speaker 2: Thursday last week, the Islamist group whusby Teria was officially banned.
22:44
Speaker 2: It's a welcome move, but it's been a long long
22:47
Speaker 2: time coming for years. The government's claim the group his
22:51
Speaker 2: goal is to re establish a caliphate, didn't meet the
22:54
Speaker 2: criteria for any sort of band.
22:56
Speaker 8: Now.
22:56
Speaker 2: This is despite the fact that many other countries like Germany,
23:00
Speaker 2: the UK, and even Islamic nations like Egypt, Indonesia and
23:04
Speaker 2: Pakistan had all banned Husberteria. The band now in Australia.
23:11
Speaker 3: What does that actually mean?
23:14
Speaker 2: Joining me Former AFP effect Detective Superintendent David Craig. David,
23:18
Speaker 2: thank you, well, finally we get there. Finally we get
23:22
Speaker 2: to Husbertteraria band. You and I have talked about that
23:24
Speaker 2: for some time. Let's talk about what happens now in practice.
23:28
Speaker 2: So we've got this band in place, how do we
23:31
Speaker 2: ensure it's rooted out as an organization and not just
23:34
Speaker 2: sent underground?
23:37
Speaker 7: Very interesting pretter. I mean they have been working, as
23:40
Speaker 7: I would say, underground terrorists for some time, so they're
23:43
Speaker 7: quite adapted doing that, adapted doing that. Husbertteraria has been
23:49
Speaker 7: publicized now as a banned hate group. So if you
23:53
Speaker 7: associate support fund, I mean there are serious criminal penalties now.
23:59
Speaker 7: So membership is said even years, support or funding is
24:03
Speaker 7: fifteen years now. This can be proven fairly easily in
24:06
Speaker 7: the early days because people like al wah Wah I'm
24:11
Speaker 7: talking about Mohammed ah Wahwah. It came out in the
24:14
Speaker 7: La Kember summat of Husbookteria as a speaker and member
24:18
Speaker 7: of husboot Teria. Now, if you are an associate of his,
24:22
Speaker 7: or you think you can communicate with him using encrypted
24:25
Speaker 7: signal apps or secret messaging of some sort, be very
24:29
Speaker 7: careful because you may well end up getting a knock
24:32
Speaker 7: at the door because he is a declared member and
24:35
Speaker 7: a known member, so you can't. It would be reckless
24:39
Speaker 7: to be supporting or giving that person any funding or
24:41
Speaker 7: any support thinking that it wasn't going to husboo Teria
24:45
Speaker 7: a bandaid group.
24:48
Speaker 2: I presume they're now going to have difficulty having their
24:51
Speaker 2: big conferences like they did in Tony Burk's own Electric
24:54
Speaker 2: a number of months ago, and they won't be able
24:56
Speaker 2: to beam in from overseas some of their hateful preachers
25:00
Speaker 2: and other things. But there was concern, and it was
25:02
Speaker 2: reporting the Daily Telegraph over the weekend that some of
25:05
Speaker 2: these figures have already started to move into the mainstream
25:08
Speaker 2: Pro Palestinian groups stand for Palestine's one group that was
25:12
Speaker 2: mentioned in the papers. Are they already underway David embedding
25:18
Speaker 2: themselves elsewhere in order to exist beyond this ban?
25:24
Speaker 7: Of course, I mean for some time they've been targeting
25:28
Speaker 7: vulnerable Muslim young Muslims and the left thinking socially aware
25:35
Speaker 7: left that I feel like they've got a good cause
25:38
Speaker 7: like Gaza or the war with.
25:43
Speaker 4: Israel.
25:44
Speaker 7: These people come in and flock into support and they
25:47
Speaker 7: don't really understand the consequence all what the real motive
25:50
Speaker 7: of these people is. So I mean, yes, it's definitely
25:53
Speaker 7: ongoing at the moment. The prayer stunt the other day
25:59
Speaker 7: at the town it was very disappointing for me to
26:01
Speaker 7: see Mala Lanyon actually apologize because this is exactly the
26:06
Speaker 7: sort of social manipulation when there is no religious basis
26:10
Speaker 7: for them to have that prayer session there at that time.
26:14
Speaker 7: This is a manipulation that mal Lanyon has walked in
26:17
Speaker 7: with his mouth open and his brain shut. In my opinion,
26:21
Speaker 7: we need a stronger stand against this so that people
26:25
Speaker 7: that are vulnerable to social media manipulation can see actually
26:30
Speaker 7: what goes on. They should listen to Chris mens I.
26:32
Speaker 2: Think, and those images go around the world, Those images
26:37
Speaker 2: of Muslim prayer and police lines and pro palacedin in
26:42
Speaker 2: or anti Israel protests are beamed.
26:45
Speaker 3: Around the world, and.
26:46
Speaker 2: They have a currency to drive the Islamist cause. Just
26:50
Speaker 2: before you go a fifteen year old boy in Queensland's
26:52
Speaker 2: been charged with possessing violent extremist terror material. It's alleged
26:58
Speaker 2: his center to other children on We don't know much
27:00
Speaker 2: more about the case. Of course, he's a young person.
27:03
Speaker 2: We don't know names and down the details, and it'll
27:05
Speaker 2: have to go through a court process. Everyone's innocent until
27:08
Speaker 2: improven otherwise. But the fact that yet again it is
27:11
Speaker 2: a young male fifteen year old, that's concerning.
27:16
Speaker 7: Well, yes, I mean, doesn't that just fortify the reason
27:20
Speaker 7: that we've got a under sixteen ban or a sixteen
27:23
Speaker 7: year old and under ban on social media? I mean,
27:25
Speaker 7: this shows how a young mind can be manipulated and
27:28
Speaker 7: poisoned and it's a lot harder to sort of filtrate
27:32
Speaker 7: that thinking into normalizing. So yes, it's a shame that
27:36
Speaker 7: this person has been manipulated. It's a shame that they've
27:39
Speaker 7: tried to influence other people allegedly. I hope that there
27:43
Speaker 7: is some rehabilitation for that person and that he or
27:49
Speaker 7: she can see their way to becoming a good, decent Australian.
27:53
Speaker 2: Bob by AFP Boss David Craig, thank you very much.
27:56
Speaker 2: After the break, Australia is mulling over a quest to
27:59
Speaker 2: provide military aid in the Golf or what would that
28:01
Speaker 2: look like class Sarran's military looks depleted, but experts. Experts
28:06
Speaker 2: say the US and Israel also face some constraints to
28:10
Speaker 2: their munition's supply chain. We've got a former army boss
28:14
Speaker 2: coming up. We'll get into that in a moment. Welcome back,
28:21
Speaker 2: still the com You won't believe the staggering number of
28:23
Speaker 2: Australian children I puberty blockers and that's just the ones
28:27
Speaker 2: we know about. Is almost every state now withholds the
28:30
Speaker 2: medical data. But first, Foreign Minnicipetti Wong has revealed the
28:34
Speaker 2: governments considering a request the military help from the Gulf States.
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Speaker 5: Many countries which are non participants have been attacked by Iran.
28:44
Speaker 5: Through this, you would anticipate as a consequence that we
28:49
Speaker 5: have been asked for assistance and we will work through that.
28:52
Speaker 5: We are not participating in offensive action against Iran, and
28:58
Speaker 5: we've made clear we would not participate in any ground
29:03
Speaker 5: troop deployment into Iran.
29:07
Speaker 2: Yet again, all of this language make it clear we
29:10
Speaker 2: will not participate in any offensive action against Iran. I mean,
29:16
Speaker 2: God forbid we do anything to take down Islamist dictatorships.
29:22
Speaker 2: Joined me now to discuss this retired Brigandy Air former
29:24
Speaker 2: Army Director General erin Langford, Okay. And now that we
29:27
Speaker 2: know we're going to be sort of, you know, basically
29:29
Speaker 2: a little bit better than the Peace Corps when we're
29:32
Speaker 2: asked for military aid from the Gulf States, what might
29:36
Speaker 2: that look like under this government?
29:40
Speaker 9: Well, thanks Peter, good evening to you and your viewers.
29:43
Speaker 9: We've got a really long and historic tradition of supporting
29:48
Speaker 9: operations in the Middle East, and the first sort of
29:50
Speaker 9: platforms that come to mind when I heard about this
29:52
Speaker 9: request to support Gold States are really some of our
29:55
Speaker 9: exquisite maritime aircraft, so our airborne early warning and control aircraft,
30:00
Speaker 9: time patrol aircraft and air refuelers which have operated in
30:04
Speaker 9: and around that region effectively since therely two thousand. So
30:08
Speaker 9: consistent with some of the government rhetoric about what it
30:11
Speaker 9: wants to and what it doesn't want to do, and
30:14
Speaker 9: where I think we can actually provide genuine capability to
30:17
Speaker 9: some of our allies, partners and friends in the Golf,
30:20
Speaker 9: those three aircraft of note would make a significant contribution.
30:24
Speaker 9: And then, thinking a little bit more broadly, we obviously
30:27
Speaker 9: have strategic signals, intelligence and some other really specialized capabilities
30:31
Speaker 9: which I think would be of high value in the
30:33
Speaker 9: Middle East.
30:33
Speaker 2: Right now, let's go to that comment I made about
30:38
Speaker 2: the government going to great lengths to make it clear
30:41
Speaker 2: they'll have no involvement in any bombing or other offensive
30:45
Speaker 2: activity they call it in relation to Iran.
30:47
Speaker 3: Here was a Prime.
30:48
Speaker 2: Minister on Friday emphasizing that point in relation to Australians
30:52
Speaker 2: on board a US submarine that sank a Uranian ship
30:56
Speaker 2: have listened.
30:58
Speaker 8: There were three personnel on board that vessel. I can
31:04
Speaker 8: confirm also though that no Australian personnel have participated in
31:09
Speaker 8: any offensive action against Iran.
31:13
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's basically saying we're there are submarine tourists.
31:16
Speaker 2: But after those comments, Sky interviewed former Labor Defense Minister
31:22
Speaker 2: Joel Fitzgibbon and he said, look, I think those are
31:23
Speaker 2: really dangerous comments from the Prime Minister. It's a dangerous
31:27
Speaker 2: precedent to go into that sort of detail and rule
31:30
Speaker 2: things in and out. I agree with Joel Fitzgibbon.
31:34
Speaker 9: What are you think, Ian, Well, the reality is if
31:38
Speaker 9: you're posted a member on board a warship, in this
31:43
Speaker 9: case a submarine, you're part of that capability system. So
31:48
Speaker 9: it's one thing to be inside the control room as
31:51
Speaker 9: part of a targeting cycle or you know, really part
31:54
Speaker 9: of that decision to execute again offensive action against that
31:58
Speaker 9: Iranian warship. But if you're inside the reactor room, if
32:01
Speaker 9: you're operating in some other part of the ship itself,
32:05
Speaker 9: you can't really make that distinction. So nations put caveats
32:09
Speaker 9: on what they're willing to do inside and outside of coalitions.
32:13
Speaker 9: But I think consistent with UCUS, consistent with the uplift
32:16
Speaker 9: around training our personnel to be proficient on Virginia class submarines,
32:21
Speaker 9: and it's really part of that underseas system between ourselves
32:24
Speaker 9: of British and the Americans. There really is some challenges
32:28
Speaker 9: in being able to distinguish what is a war fighting
32:30
Speaker 9: role on a submarine and what isn't because at the
32:33
Speaker 9: end of the day, it's about the capability system and
32:35
Speaker 9: it all generates the kind of terminal effects that we
32:38
Speaker 9: saw happen to that Iranian boat in the past week.
32:43
Speaker 2: And look, if the world's getting more dangerously in which
32:45
Speaker 2: it is, don't we want Australian military personnel to be
32:48
Speaker 2: absolutely the best trained they can be.
32:53
Speaker 9: Well, again, the rhetoric around our investment in August three
32:57
Speaker 9: hundred and sixty eight billion dollars is to acquire PEX Predator.
33:00
Speaker 9: We talk about deterrence, we talk about longer end strike,
33:04
Speaker 9: we talk about the serious investment in this sort of capability.
33:09
Speaker 9: The reality is they are built for this type of outcome.
33:12
Speaker 9: They're built to maintain sea control, to be able to
33:15
Speaker 9: target our surface combatants and invariably participate in this sort
33:19
Speaker 9: of combat operation. So it's a good reminder of the
33:23
Speaker 9: discussions around Aucas, what it means in terms of our
33:27
Speaker 9: security and defense policy, what it means for our alliance obligations,
33:30
Speaker 9: and what part that we want to have in it,
33:32
Speaker 9: and where we want to make exceptions, and the risks
33:34
Speaker 9: that come with it when we apply them.
33:37
Speaker 2: Right, Two quick ones before I go, I've been reading
33:39
Speaker 2: a lot while I was away about concerns regarding the
33:44
Speaker 2: munitions pipeline. I'm interested in how much sort of stock
33:49
Speaker 2: you think the Uranians might have left, But what concerned
33:53
Speaker 2: me were reports in relation to the United States and
33:55
Speaker 2: Israel that their supply chain might only last weeks months.
34:01
Speaker 2: In relation to the sort of the current levels of bombardment,
34:05
Speaker 2: how accurate.
34:05
Speaker 9: Is that there are some natures, particularly in the air
34:10
Speaker 9: defense realm, around things like the Patriots system that have
34:14
Speaker 9: been under significant pressure. Obviously, in this current iteration of
34:19
Speaker 9: fighting in the Middle East, numbers around eight to nine
34:21
Speaker 9: hundred Patriot have been used to provide air defense, particularly
34:24
Speaker 9: around the Goal States. They're exquisite systems, they're hard to replace.
34:28
Speaker 9: We have a manufacturing and heavy industry component that's still
34:32
Speaker 9: more or less operating in a wartime capacity, and globally,
34:36
Speaker 9: from everything from one hundred and fifty five millimeter toury ammunition,
34:40
Speaker 9: which is pretty basic sort of stuff all the way
34:42
Speaker 9: through to things like Patriots, we are globally short. We're
34:45
Speaker 9: under pressure, and so reports out of Ukraine some eighteen
34:49
Speaker 9: months to two years ago talked about four year wait
34:52
Speaker 9: lists to get things like Javelin anti tank missiles replaced,
34:55
Speaker 9: the same as in every other ammunition nature, and it's
34:58
Speaker 9: critical that magazine depths. It's addressed as part of this
35:01
Speaker 9: defense uplift for all of us if we're to be
35:03
Speaker 9: able to sustain the kind of operations we're seeing right
35:05
Speaker 9: now in the Middle East.
35:07
Speaker 2: All Right, a quick one on the Straits of hor Moos.
35:10
Speaker 2: Some of the energy analysts say within a couple of weeks.
35:13
Speaker 2: This will be under control, it will be secured. Obviously,
35:17
Speaker 2: Trump's put the Navy in there, but he's also made
35:19
Speaker 2: comments in relation to the ability of these transport freighting companies,
35:24
Speaker 2: oil companies to get appropriate insurance, because that's one of
35:28
Speaker 2: the things that have been withdrawn.
35:30
Speaker 9: What's your position, Well, certainly, I mean the oil shock
35:35
Speaker 9: and risk around that and L and G will have
35:37
Speaker 9: an impact globally. Keeping the straits of hor Moves open
35:41
Speaker 9: will be a US strategic priority. It's only the Americans
35:44
Speaker 9: that can really assert sea control and maintain that passageway.
35:48
Speaker 9: And I think again, shipping companies and their various insurance
35:51
Speaker 9: frameworks will need to adjust in order to accommodate that
35:55
Speaker 9: continue flow of energy to the growing world economies. The
35:59
Speaker 9: asianies will feel it, particularly with gas asks, relatively quickly.
36:07
Speaker 9: Yeah okay, yes, weeks, so not days. This is going
36:11
Speaker 9: to take some time.
36:13
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thanks Agan, thanks very much. After the break,
36:16
Speaker 2: more revelations over it. Staggering number of Australian children receiving
36:21
Speaker 2: puberty blockers and band overseas, not here in Australia. What's worse,
36:25
Speaker 2: the States are refusing to release the data. How desperate
36:35
Speaker 2: is the Victorian labor government. I tell you what, They're
36:36
Speaker 2: going to start charging people as they drive along the
36:40
Speaker 2: Great Ocean Road to stop and look at the twelve apostles.
36:44
Speaker 2: I'll get to that at a moment, but let's go
36:46
Speaker 2: now to questions today about the transparency of Australia's treatment
36:50
Speaker 2: of gender dysphoria in children, with new analysis finding that
36:53
Speaker 2: almost two and a half thousand miners have beenribed prescribed
36:58
Speaker 2: puberty blockers in Australia since twenty fourteen. These figures have
37:02
Speaker 2: been pieced together using data from Queensland and Western Australia
37:06
Speaker 2: and some meticulous work through FOI requests elsewhere, but with
37:11
Speaker 2: most states refusing to release total figures, critics are warning
37:15
Speaker 2: at the true scale and the long term outcomes remain unknown.
37:20
Speaker 2: University of Sydney Emeritus Professor of Psychology Diana Kenny, who
37:25
Speaker 2: treats genders for desphoric young people, has sounded the alarm
37:29
Speaker 2: on this shocking lack of clinical data. Professor Kenny joins me, now,
37:34
Speaker 2: thank you for your time, professor. I mean, as you
37:37
Speaker 2: rightly point out, if governments can track outcomes for almost
37:40
Speaker 2: every other medical treatment, why do you think there's such
37:44
Speaker 2: a resistance to the collection and then release of what
37:48
Speaker 2: I would regard as essential data on the use of
37:51
Speaker 2: puberty blockers in Australian children.
37:53
Speaker 14: Why the secrecy, Well, there are purported reasons and then
37:58
Speaker 14: there are the real reasons.
38:00
Speaker 7: So the purported.
38:00
Speaker 14: Reasons are concerns for patient privacy because transgender children belong
38:06
Speaker 14: to a very vulnerable population open to harassment and violence.
38:11
Speaker 14: But this argument doesn't stand up because privacy is protected
38:14
Speaker 14: for those with other socially challenging conditions such as HIV
38:19
Speaker 14: andatitis CE, and there are national databases for these conditions.
38:24
Speaker 14: There is a lack of standardized medical record keeping, which
38:27
Speaker 14: varies significantly across health systems and states that make standardized
38:32
Speaker 14: tracking and reporting difficult, and some gender clinics claim that
38:36
Speaker 14: they don't even have electronic recording systems and that they
38:40
Speaker 14: can't even data match patients from gender clinics within other
38:44
Speaker 14: departments from the same hospital where they're being treated, which
38:48
Speaker 14: is really a worrying state of affairs. But I think
38:52
Speaker 14: the real reason is that clinicians and advocacy organizations are
38:59
Speaker 14: afraid that increasing data showing negative outcomes would be weaponized
39:05
Speaker 14: to restrict access to puberty blockade and so they've adopted
39:09
Speaker 14: a very defensive posture around data sharing, so legitimate scientists
39:15
Speaker 14: can't assess whether the treatment is effective or not. And
39:20
Speaker 14: bodies like the World Professional Association for Transgender Health have
39:26
Speaker 14: faced criticism for prioritizing affirmative care frameworks over rigorous outcome measurement,
39:34
Speaker 14: and there are several countries and the UK's CAST Review
39:39
Speaker 14: have found that decades of clinical practice had proceeded with
39:44
Speaker 14: very little quality evidence and that some registries had actively
39:48
Speaker 14: resisted releasing data to independent researchers. So the bottom line
39:53
Speaker 14: is sorry, advocacy driven resistance, advocacy driven resistance to scrutiny,
40:02
Speaker 14: an institutional capture of medical and political organizations that is
40:06
Speaker 14: preventing access to data on puberty blockers and other treatments
40:11
Speaker 14: for gender dysphoria.
40:14
Speaker 2: OK, but in the end, the most important person in
40:17
Speaker 2: this whole debate are the children. And if medicos are
40:22
Speaker 2: confident that this is the right course of treatment for
40:25
Speaker 2: Australian young people, they should be absolutely upfront about the
40:28
Speaker 2: data collection. And I do not buy in twenty twenty
40:31
Speaker 2: six that you can't have the electronic records and matched
40:34
Speaker 2: across various computer systems, state and federal and various doctors.
40:39
Speaker 2: I mean, you can link a credit card around the
40:42
Speaker 2: world and you can't tell me you can't do that.
40:43
Speaker 3: Of course you can. They don't want to know, Professor Kenny.
40:46
Speaker 3: That's the problem.
40:47
Speaker 2: But if they're so sure that what they are doing
40:50
Speaker 2: is right, even though the cast review in the United
40:53
Speaker 2: Kingdom says it was the wrong way to go so
40:55
Speaker 2: hard and so fast into puberty blockers and medical view
41:00
Speaker 2: of young people and healthy body parts, if they're so
41:03
Speaker 2: sure they're right in Australia, then put the data there together,
41:06
Speaker 2: release the data, and let experts like you and many
41:10
Speaker 2: others interrogate the data and then advise government and public
41:14
Speaker 2: policymakers to get it right. Otherwise we are going to
41:18
Speaker 2: concide a whole generation of Australian young people to medical
41:22
Speaker 2: practices really that I think belong in the dark ages
41:26
Speaker 2: if they're not subject to rigorous peer a scrutiny and review.
41:33
Speaker 14: Well, you've just taken the words right out of my mouth.
41:36
Speaker 14: That's exactly right. It's an appalling state of affairs. And
41:41
Speaker 14: these transgender activists are more acting more like people in
41:47
Speaker 14: cults or religious sex behave rather than scientists or medical
41:53
Speaker 14: professionals who want to interrogate the data and they want
41:57
Speaker 14: to know what the long term effects are before they
42:00
Speaker 14: inflict the treatment on unsuspecting and vulnerable young people.
42:06
Speaker 2: Given your standing, Professor Kenny, and all your years of experience,
42:11
Speaker 2: given the views of people like Jillian Skinner and the
42:16
Speaker 2: psychiatrist Andrew Amos, you are all medical experts.
42:22
Speaker 3: Why are you not being listened to.
42:25
Speaker 14: Well, we're not delivering the right message. The right message
42:30
Speaker 14: is that some children are born in the wrong body,
42:34
Speaker 14: and that boys can be girls and girls can be boys.
42:37
Speaker 14: And because we're not going along with a message of
42:39
Speaker 14: that kind, we've been ostracized, marginalized, criticized and persecuted by
42:46
Speaker 14: our professional organizations. It's all part of the advocacy driven
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Speaker 14: propaganda which actually has done a magnificent job of hoodwinking
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Speaker 14: the Australian public politician, the legal institutions, the medical institutions,
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Speaker 14: the education system. They're all peddling gender identity ideology, and
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Speaker 14: young children as young as five and six years of
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Speaker 14: age are being told that they don't have to decide
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Speaker 14: yet whether they're a boy or a girl, and that
43:19
Speaker 14: even if.
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Speaker 3: They when they.
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Speaker 2: I've got to leave it there, but when the reckoning comes,
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Speaker 2: you will be on the right side of history. Please
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Speaker 2: keep up this fight. We'll keep it up here on
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Speaker 2: my show. But I know that you're in the thick
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Speaker 2: of it. Thank you, Professor Kenny.
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Speaker 3: Right after the.
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Speaker 2: Break, we're going to talk about a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: stuff in relation to the Iranian women's soccer team, and
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Speaker 2: a whole lot more. Nick Kata James Ashby in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's get straight into it now with my panel, senior
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Speaker 2: fellow at the MRC, the Men's His Research Center, Nick Katera,
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Speaker 2: and One Nation chief James Ashby. Let's start with the
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Speaker 2: Iranian women's soccer team. I mean some will tell you,
43:58
Speaker 2: James that if they stay in Australia, they'll put their
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Speaker 2: families at risk in Iran. If they go home, though,
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Speaker 2: their own lives are at risk because they've refuse to
44:07
Speaker 2: see the other night the Iranian national anthem. But I
44:11
Speaker 2: tell you what's got under my skin today, comments like
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Speaker 2: this from the alban Easy govern have a listen.
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Speaker 13: They must meet all of the conditions for the visa,
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Speaker 13: and that includes a security check and health check. So
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Speaker 13: there'll be no special circumstances granted to anyone that's competing
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Speaker 13: in the Asian Women's Cup.
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Speaker 2: So what we can take three thousand guardsens, we barely
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Speaker 2: check any of them, and yet we're going to quibble
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Speaker 2: about these women. We're looking to bring back, these Islamic
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Speaker 2: state supporters, these conspirators, these Australian women. And yet these women,
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Speaker 2: these brave women, don't tell me that not healthy. They'll
44:48
Speaker 2: pretty bloody fit to me. We can't have a look
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Speaker 2: at them.
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Speaker 17: Look, look, I understand that the Labor Party are taking
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Speaker 17: a very cautionary approach to this because they've got one
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Speaker 17: nation breathing down their neck. Their own people don't support
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Speaker 17: taking any more refugees or migrants into the country as
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Speaker 17: it is.
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Speaker 12: But I disagree.
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Speaker 17: I don't think they should be brought or left to
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Speaker 17: stay here in Australia either. I think it seems a
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Speaker 17: dangerous precedent. We saw during the Commworth Games on the
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Speaker 17: Gold Coast how many sports people tried to remain in
45:21
Speaker 17: the country because they were trying to claim asylum.
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Speaker 12: If all it takes.
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Speaker 17: Is for you to come here, no no, no, hear
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Speaker 17: me out, hear me out.
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Speaker 12: If you come here.
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Speaker 17: Or Yeah. Look, I get that it's unfortunate, and I'm
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Speaker 17: not suggesting they stay here permanently. I don't want that
45:41
Speaker 17: to happen, because if what happens, if a sporting person
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Speaker 17: comes to this country and suggests all they have to
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Speaker 17: do is say something against their own country to claim asylum, no,
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Speaker 17: I'm sorry, we create a really dangerous precedence and then
45:56
Speaker 17: the risk of their family having to come here as well.
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Speaker 17: We're not in a position to act as the savior
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Speaker 17: for everybody in a globe that's really going through some
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Speaker 17: turmoil right now.
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Speaker 12: No, we can't take them all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do hear your point, and I'm as hardline
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Speaker 2: an immigration as anybody, but I do think in this instance,
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Speaker 2: and I'm not saying give them permanent asylum right now,
46:16
Speaker 2: our war is raging.
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Speaker 3: They are women.
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Speaker 2: The most marginalized people in Iran are women.
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Speaker 3: The people that are not being.
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Speaker 2: Stood for by the left or anyone else on International
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Speaker 2: Women's Day yesterday are women for causes like in Israel
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Speaker 2: or on the women who were raped by Hamas, and
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Speaker 2: these Iranian women who don't want to wear the headscarf.
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Speaker 2: They're not the fashionable cause for the left and Nick,
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Speaker 2: I think these women we deserve it. As I said,
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Speaker 2: I think, well where does it end. I think with
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Speaker 2: this team of women, they are in a very difficult position.
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Speaker 2: It may be worse for them to stay than come home.
46:52
Speaker 2: You know, there are two sides.
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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely with you on this, Peter, I'm absolutely with
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Speaker 1: you on this one. I mean, the point is that
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Speaker 1: this is a genuine on the surface, a genuine asylum
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Speaker 1: case where somebody faces a fewer of persecution from the
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Speaker 1: government if they go back to their own country. There's
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Speaker 1: every reason to believe that is the case. I think
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Speaker 1: we extend exceptional help to these women under these circumstances.
47:18
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is a lot that the government could
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Speaker 1: do if it was mindful to make contact with these
47:23
Speaker 1: women right up until the point at which they present
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Speaker 1: their passports and leave the country. We can still at
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Speaker 1: that point invite them in for an interview and just
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Speaker 1: make sure do you really want to go home or
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Speaker 1: you're being forced to go home. It reminds me of
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Speaker 1: a dark reminiscence here of the Petrov case in the fifties.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is an authoritarian regime that will treat
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Speaker 1: dissensus very badly and I fear for these women if
47:49
Speaker 1: they go home.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to New South Wales NICK where they've got
47:54
Speaker 2: an edict now right across the education system that will
47:57
Speaker 2: allow the kafear to be recognized as an appropriate cultural garment.
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Speaker 2: This is because a student was told to take off
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Speaker 2: the kafir scarf at a school formal.
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Speaker 3: That person appealed.
48:10
Speaker 2: It's gone through some sort of legal process, but it's
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Speaker 2: now open slather to weare a kafea which many people
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Speaker 2: find horrifically offensive in and around the school environment.
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Speaker 1: If we're in the cafeir would improve our educational standards.
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Speaker 1: I might go with it, But of course this is
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Speaker 1: nothing at all to do with education educating children, which
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Speaker 1: is the point of schools. It is, as you say,
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Speaker 1: a political gesture, a political move I think the correct
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Speaker 1: thing to do here is to give absolute discretion to
48:42
Speaker 1: the principle of the individual school to make a determination
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Speaker 1: there whether it's appropriate or not for people to wear
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Speaker 1: these children to wear these things at school, or how
48:52
Speaker 1: much an interviewers say with the school uniform policy, for instance,
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Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of the New South Wales
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Speaker 1: Education Department centrally coming down and saying you must allow this.
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Speaker 1: It's a very bad move.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly, James.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard my interview then with
49:08
Speaker 2: Professor Kenny about trans medicine, but you know she's an expert,
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Speaker 2: right and it's very uncomfortable for me to hear that
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Speaker 2: she's basically being shouted down and the evidence is not
49:20
Speaker 2: being kept when you look at what happened to the ABC.
49:23
Speaker 2: Documents come out to say that they got platinum status
49:26
Speaker 2: because they're out there with a trans lobby group. Now
49:28
Speaker 2: you have to pay to be a member of this
49:30
Speaker 2: trans lobby group. That seems to me to be way
49:34
Speaker 2: outside the remit of the ABC.
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Speaker 17: And this is an ABC that winges that it only
49:42
Speaker 17: gets one billion, two hundred and twenty nine million taxpayer
49:46
Speaker 17: dollars every year, and yet they're spending it on subscription
49:50
Speaker 17: services to this group that, let's face it, they represent
49:53
Speaker 17: less than one percent of the Australian population and yet
49:57
Speaker 17: they're trying to change not only what's on our screens,
49:59
Speaker 17: but the maker of who's behind the cameras as well.
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Speaker 12: At the ABC. Again, it's wasted money by the ABC.
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Speaker 17: It demonstrates why they should become a subscription service as
50:08
Speaker 17: a TV network. I'm happy to keep funding their regional
50:11
Speaker 17: radio broadcast, but when it comes to television they are
50:14
Speaker 17: demonstrating week upon week with the absence of good journalistic skills.
50:20
Speaker 17: We saw another retraction of one of their stories in
50:22
Speaker 17: the last twenty four hours, and now we learn that
50:25
Speaker 17: they're not even being upfront when it comes to how
50:27
Speaker 17: much money they're spending and for what reasons they're even
50:31
Speaker 17: adopting these transgender quotas.
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Speaker 3: God to leave it there, gentlemen, thank you very much
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Speaker 3: for your time. See you next week. That's it for
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Speaker 3: me to see tomorrow night. Is Andrew