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We chat with Bev Brock...plus the new Prado and 70 Series! · The Driver's Show

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  Speaker 1: I wonder if we would have been friends in primary
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: really definitely not. I mean, there would have been the
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: language buried, you know, I reckon. It would have been
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: like you'd come home and your mom would be all like,
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: little pav how is your play date with that Australian
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: boy Gordon? And you feel like, mamay do you have
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: an Asian accent? But you would have just been like mama.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: It was terrible. He I wanted to watch the Scooby Doo.
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: I wanted to watch the dog who solves mysteries and clothes,
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: but he wanted to me to watch some kangaroo called Skippy.
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  Speaker 2: Since one of my French we we Papa.
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: Did they feed you at all, little Pablo? They gave
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: me something called savory shapes? What's not Cavanagh, I'll see
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  Speaker 1: your bosh. No, no, Mama, you're not playing with that.
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  Speaker 1: Good then again, oh yeah, that would have been fun. Yeah,
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: it would have been a bit of a nerd. They
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: called me tlm TLM ladies man. You were seven?
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fighting him off with a.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: Stick, Yeah right, he seagulls fighting over a chip. I
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: got to spend some more time Toyota ask me if
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: I wanted the gr Coroller again. Oh again, Yeah, look
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  Speaker 1: at you, and yes I will I'll have that for
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: another thanks. Oh god, that's a good car. It's really good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, when you think about it, eighty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: a small car like that, it's a lot of money. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of money. But people write it off
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  Speaker 1: as grown for a Corolla. Thanks, it's not a Corolla,
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  Speaker 1: it really isn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But would you spend eighty grand on it?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think of it, because think about it. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: because when you think about it, you're spending eighty grand
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  Speaker 1: on a really well engineered machine. It's an investment. It's
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  Speaker 1: a proper race car. Like it's a proper, proper track car.
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  Speaker 1: And the way they've set it up, it's not a
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  Speaker 1: car that was built in the normal Toyota factory with
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  Speaker 1: all the commoners cars.
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  Speaker 2: The land cruisers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: Actually, just very quickly on race cars for the road.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Hyundai, if you buy an end car, they
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: give you a track warranty, so if you take it
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  Speaker 3: to the track and it breaks, they cover the warranty.
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: And a lot of other brands that would be helpful
• 2:39
  Speaker 3: for me, that include my neck.
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  Speaker 1: I just crashed it into a wall. I think it's
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: still under warranty. Cough up.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see at Goodwood they had the new Iron
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  Speaker 3: five Inn, they had the RN twenty two E, they
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  Speaker 3: had the Envision seventy four. Yes, except the R in
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  Speaker 3: twenty two. We had a small excursion off the track.
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: It was hammering along and it got to the corner
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  Speaker 3: where pretty much everyone crashes. That just has no experience
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  Speaker 3: at the Goodwood Hill climb and he's just just overcooked
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  Speaker 3: the turn in and it's just understeered off the road
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: into the hay bales.
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  Speaker 2: He totally destroyed the car.
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: That would have been a fun conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Do you reckon? That's good publicity or bad publicity?
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  Speaker 3: So everyone shared it because it was filmed like five
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  Speaker 3: different angles, and he like buried it into the hay
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  Speaker 3: bales and the car was pretty much destroyed. Drigon, that's
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  Speaker 3: good publicity or bad because if you didn't know about
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: the car previously, you do now.
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  Speaker 2: But is that a bad way to show it?
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps? Also too, it's not exactly the car's fault, it's
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  Speaker 1: human ewa, yeah, so it's not exactly bad publicity. I
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  Speaker 1: would like write the car off. Although I did find
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: the No he did that? Yeah, well, you know, I
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: did find the Ionic five and kind of underwhelming.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that the Goodwood is it's a hard
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  Speaker 3: place to launch a car because you can't really do
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  Speaker 3: anything with it. You drive it up the hill, everything
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  Speaker 3: looks slow. I've been there before, and there's so much
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  Speaker 3: going on that unless your car is like a top
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  Speaker 3: fuel drag, so you're not going to hear it and
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  Speaker 3: you don't see it for very long, so it's not
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  Speaker 3: an exciting place to launch it. Actually, one of the
• 4:17
  Speaker 3: Ionic five ends they had there had a drift stick,
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  Speaker 3: so they basically set it into real drive mode and
• 4:21
  Speaker 3: were able to use a drift stick to then do
• 4:23
  Speaker 3: drifting and stuff. But even then, that's now become so
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  Speaker 3: mainstream that it doesn't really set your vehicle apart from others.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's just this little party trick that
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: most evs are kind of doing with a bit of power.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just found it like that baby blue that they
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  Speaker 1: launched it in. Although that Vision seventy four is a
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: fucking machine.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. I'm glad they didn't crash that.
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  Speaker 1: Given us hydrogen, Yes, that would if.
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  Speaker 3: Goodwood has been canceled forever, it is a tough place
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  Speaker 3: to launch your car.
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  Speaker 2: You're right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when you get cars like the Porsche bay
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  Speaker 1: sing A dropping stuff there. Yeah, geez those cars.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean if you have a look at
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  Speaker 3: stuff like Lambo, I mean they drive the car up
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  Speaker 3: the hill, but now that they're all so quiet, it's like,
• 5:10
  Speaker 3: what do you And they often will just put an
• 5:13
  Speaker 3: influencer in it to drive it up. And that's what
• 5:15
  Speaker 3: actually installed a chicine just before that turned out for
• 5:18
  Speaker 3: the influencer sessions. Because so many people were crashing, they
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: set up a chicaine so everyone had to slow down
• 5:24
  Speaker 3: for there unless you were an actual race driver. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's an interesting event and I'm glad that it still
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  Speaker 3: happens because it is an unreal event. If you ever
• 5:32
  Speaker 3: get the chance to go to Goodwood, it is so
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  Speaker 3: much fun. That is bucket lest The car park is amazing,
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  Speaker 3: Like the car park where you park to walk into
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  Speaker 3: the event is incredible. The amount of just awesome cars
• 5:43
  Speaker 3: that are parked up on grass is cool. Except this
• 5:46
  Speaker 3: year it was raining and when I went last time
• 5:49
  Speaker 3: it had rained on the last day and the car
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  Speaker 3: park ends up becoming like this mud bath. And you
• 5:54
  Speaker 3: can imagine like some of these low supercars trying.
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  Speaker 1: To trying to get out of the mud on Semis.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you wouldn't you feel weird just rocking up to
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: bloody Goodwood in his Auzuki Swift.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck out the back.
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: Hate The new Land Cruise, Prido and seventy series dropped
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  Speaker 1: this week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah what do you think, Well, let's start with the
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  Speaker 3: seventy series. I think that looks totally stupid. They've gone
• 6:15
  Speaker 3: to like Ali Express and gone, oh, can you just
• 6:18
  Speaker 3: go to like the JDM department and just find the
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: weirdest ricey looking headlights you can find and just put
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  Speaker 3: it on the front for us.
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  Speaker 1: Colin, Yeah, we got some of those those fucking headlights
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: we born from Beijing. Check a couple of those in
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  Speaker 1: the seventy series. Mate, Yeah, well yeah fuck them, fuck them,
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: we'll flog them off.
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: I'll about it.
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they've got those lights.
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  Speaker 3: And then they've put a four cylinder diesel in it,
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  Speaker 3: which I don't think anyone will buy a Well, it's
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: also made it to an auto.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, no one driving that one's an auto.
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: So thankfully the V is still available, but I just reckon,
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  Speaker 3: they've just ruined the design of this thing.
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  Speaker 2: The current one looks great.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's because it hasn't really moved.
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  Speaker 3: Much exactly, So why change it? And why make it
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  Speaker 3: look like that? It just looks so like just hipster,
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  Speaker 3: and you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't like the like a contemporary look and an old
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  Speaker 1: fashioned car look a tribute if you like, if you're
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: going to do retro look if yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going to do the contemporary look, make the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing modern, which they haven't done. While I'm on
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: a rant here.
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  Speaker 1: For what it's worth, I actually quite liked it. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't mind it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, well, it's the same with like this is
• 7:27
  Speaker 3: why we wouldn't be friends growing up.
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: Even the same with the with the Ford Bronco, like
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  Speaker 1: the Heritage edition now, but that looks good.
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: The Bronco actually looks good.
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: So what's the problem with the Tweeter Because they're doing
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  Speaker 1: the same sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But the seventy series is just meant to be old.
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: And just if that's the case, why even bring it back?
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: Well exactly, I don't know why they've changed it, And
• 7:47
  Speaker 3: inside the cabin they've even just made it even more
• 7:49
  Speaker 3: annoying for the infotainment system. They've they've put a new
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: steering wheel on it, which has steering controls for volume
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: and stuff, but the actual infotainment unit they've removed the knob.
• 7:58
  Speaker 3: So if you want to make an each to that,
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: you don't. You just have two buttons to press and
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: then the rest is a touchscreen. Yeah, I hate that,
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: don't want that. The old one just had an ob
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: that you could turn for volume up and down. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think they've kind of ruined the
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  Speaker 3: design and putting a full cylinder in it. I just
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: don't know who's going to buy one with a full cylinder.
• 8:15
  Speaker 3: The whole purpose of that car was that it's a
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  Speaker 3: V eight diesel that you can still buy.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: You wanted it with a full cylinder, you also go.
• 8:20
  Speaker 3: Buy Highlux Hilex is like forty grand cheaper and available
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  Speaker 3: straight away.
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: It's got the same engine.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: Why would you not just buy that the Prato However, Yes,
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: that looks great now that I agree with.
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: I think that looks sensational. Yeah, and they did exactly
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: what to does. They've made everything great and then they've
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: gone hold on, hold on, we're just gonna just totally
• 8:43
  Speaker 3: screw this up, and they've gone and put the high
• 8:46
  Speaker 3: lux diesel in it. It's like, would you not look
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: at what's happening in that segment with stuff like Everest
• 8:52
  Speaker 3: and go, all right, let's go get a V six diesel.
• 8:54
  Speaker 3: That's true, or in the States they're fitting it with
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: the hybrid out of the Lexus Lexis, which is turbo
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: four hybrid. Now the reason they can't or won't fit
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: a V six to it is that vehicle now, to
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: amortize cost, shares a platform with the three hundred series,
• 9:11
  Speaker 3: so they're on the same wheelbase. The Prito was slightly
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: shorter just due to overhangs. But they can't go put
• 9:17
  Speaker 3: a V six diesel because what the reason would you
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: then have to go spend an extra forty grand on
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: a three hundred series if you could just get a
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: Prato with the same engine or a detuned version of
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: that engine. So I think they've kind of backed themselves
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: into a corner here because that is going to weigh
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: more than the current Prito, and the current Prito feels
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: fairly underdone with five hundred yit metas of talk, So
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know what their logic is with this, and
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: people will buy it.
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: Ultimately because it's a Toyota. Yeah, and it looks expensive.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: It'll be more expensive.
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they'll sell a bunch of them, no doubt.
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: I think they will as well.
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: I just think that the thing that would stop me
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: from buying one is just the drive train. It's like,
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: no one wants a four cylinder diesel in a car
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: Tell you what I want, and I think I could
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: be possibly in the minority here the new Santa Fe.
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: I like it. I like it.
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: You would, yeah, just.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I like it. I mean, look, not as
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: much as Soprato, but I don't think they did a
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: crap job at all.
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: Did you see the back of it?
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like the people who did the
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: front just paid no attention to the people who did
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: the back.
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: Then the wall just got lifted up and they're like, oh,
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: would you guys do the back? Oh yeah, that's heaps
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: different from what we did. Yeah. Oh, you dropped his
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: ass a little bit there. Okay, all right, okay, can
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: I help myself to the crack table as Well's I
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: like it. I like the ridiculous copper and the black
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: ribs I think it's fun.
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I actually saw on crean an autoblog they published
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: an image of a third row window that they've installed
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: in them. But it's like a vertical window. I can't
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: really make sense of it, and I don't know if
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: it'll be an option or not, but it looks really
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: interesting a vertical window.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's really the re quarter panels or yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: It's really strange. I really can't make sense of it.
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: So I think it's like a I don't know if
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: it opens or whether it's just a vision sort of thing,
• 11:09
  Speaker 3: but yeah, it's It looks very fascinating to me.
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: But I reckon the red definitely needed some extra work.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: I think. I think what's going on with that requarter
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: panel is that the windows the same color as like
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: the paint work, like the black, So I think it's
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: hidden quite well.
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think it's color dependent.
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: I think it'll be interesting to see.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: Racist you've always been like this, always.
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: Ever since primary.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: She's hot, not more color. I'm a like a shade
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: of Croatian.
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: But no, I think it's it's Yeah, everything looks great
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: except the rear.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I do, Like, is the new
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: software update that they've put in it actually looks nice.
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think they're improving. We just drove the
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: new Kona recently and that had a sort of different.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: Was that the bright Green made?
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the tennis ball is called, But yeah, I think
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: they're doing better with her infotament system. The thing I
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: still don't understand though, is how do you have wireless
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: Apple Car play on a base model but not on
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: the top spick.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that still makes very little sense to me.
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is. There's obviously some sort of a there's
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: something we don't know in terms of like, I don't
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: know a court case or funny for us not to
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: know about a courtness, but there's got to be something
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: going on there. I can't work out what it would be.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: My super outback is wireless.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: Has it arrived? Nope?
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: No, it's still laughing floating in the ocean, somewhere hopefully
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: above the ocean.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: Your career, Yeah, oh yeah.
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: I'm very much out there. Do you know what's exciting?
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: Who's coming in today?
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: Trevalon?
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: Hell No, that's a shame, not really but not really. No,
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: do you know what it's sorry doing on the weekend
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: he was played with his new drone. He's like, flakes,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: guys for this great drone I got. I think it's
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: the best drone ever. And he took it out to
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: see to fucking look at the boat that's got his
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: little Koupra on it, like, oh my Coopra boards on
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: that boat.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: They shoot it down.
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. He actually attached a little gun and then
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: he just like he could, he found the nearest rainbow
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: Warrior and just tried to shoot at it, saving the environment.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: Not on my watch. And yes, I just did finger guns.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: I just did Trevor along doing finger guns. But yeah, no,
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: not Trevorlong. We have We've got Bev Brock coming in.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: Ah, very cool.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: Let's just get into it. Yeah, Bev Brock's looking at
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: us like what she got herself into.
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you years ago, we did Peter when
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: Peter was still alive. We did a talk on the
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: sports what was it? And they hadn't given us. They
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: wanted the pair of us here, and they started off
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: and it was fine, and then they got into asking
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: Peter about Tantric six and and he's just fro because
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: he's was very private person. Believe it. Or not as
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: anything issue of personal stuff. He just and he's looked
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: at me. He's gone bright red. I'm thinking, we've got
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: to rescue this call bugger. So the whole tone of
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: the interview session became quite hilarious.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: I love anyway, tantric sex. Let's know when, more like when,
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: more like Arndeau's brush with fame. So a little pavle
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: over here, and he's going to play the part of
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: arn Doux. And by the end of this actually sketch
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: a picture which is more like a stick figure. I
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: don't know why he puts a willy on it every time.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: So weird, so immature. I would we probably should start,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: I guess from the beginning, because where you sort of
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: grew up was w a yes, and it was an
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: interesting time because it was nineteen forty seven, the war.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I guess it just wrapped up. And you're a small
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: town out of per no town, no.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: Town, no town, Oh my goodness, out in the middle
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: of nowhere. There was if we needed, if mum and
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: dad needed, they hooked up the horse and cart and
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: when you know, over the dirt road to the nearest
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: railway siding, and there was a little like a corner
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: store there and they could you know, we got you'd
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: get a bag like what these days would be a
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: fifty kilo bag of sugar and won aflower and everything else.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: You were self sufficient. So horse and cart until I
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: was probably seven. Then a four D a Model ford A.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: There were seven kids, and so no seat belts, no
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: baby seats, no nothing, no dirt roads. Four day and
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: then we got wow an FX hold them but the.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Four for seven kids.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: So the four day Dad painted British racing green with
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: a fly spray.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: They had a cylinder and a pump thing filled it
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: up with paint and he painted unbelievable the car with
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: the fly spray. I mean, it's a different era.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was going to say, if you look at
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: that today and you said to a kid that you
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: would have a horse and a car and a car
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: to share between seven, they'd be like, oh, now where's
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: my iPad?
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, going to Sovereign Hill, let's see it.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: That's just crazy, isn't it. Yeah.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: So immediately following the war, there was no building materials around,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: so it was an asbestos house. So the external walls
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: were there and the inside the house, the frame was
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: but the only room inside the house that had a
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: solid wall was mom and Dad's bedroom, which enabled them
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: to produce eight kids.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I was going to say that that explains all the siblings.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Did You did come from quite a big family. Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Back then there was nothing to stop you. There was
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: no pills, there was no TV. It was just the
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: way it was.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: So what was your childhood like? Schooling and stuff like that.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: It was quite humble, quite simple.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: One teacher school they needed the local district was the
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: school was in the church and they had to have
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: twelve kids to keep the church the school open. So
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: the year I was a year younger than was born
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: in January, so I was twelve months younger than I
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: should have been to start school, but I was the
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: nearest in age, so they scoured the district. They asked
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: if I could start school year early, which I did.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: I loved and that meant the school could stay open.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: So went to school bear footage, you know. Had The
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: only books we had were school readers. Occasionally you were
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: allowed if you were good, you were allowed to take
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: a reader home. No music. Mom and Dad had to
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: widen up grammar phone with two records, golden wedding and
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: mandolin boogie. That was the only music. So it was idyllic.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: No drugs, no alcohol, no pedophiles. You know, you could
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: just go outside and play when the sun come up,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: and come in at night when you wanted to be fed.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: So it was simple, idyllic. I wouldn't have you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: if I look back over it all now, wouldn't change
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: a thing.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Really, your life has become complicated, hasn't it. Australia is
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: a very different place now.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Completely and absolutely totally different. So some years ago, while
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Peter was still alive, we we're in West Ustratia and
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I took him and the kids up to have a
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: look at the old place. And what seemed to be
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: a humong assistance to us as kids because we'd have
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: to walk and Dad were very clever. Come Sunday morning,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: us kids that were old enough would walk into Sunday
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: school and that would take a couple of hours to
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: walk each way. So a couple of hours to walk
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Sunday school, a couple of hours to walk home, time
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: for mom and dad to produce another crop spin.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: It's always something about parents on a Sunday is My
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: parents always said don't open the door. We're watching the news.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, why does Peter hitchint it sound like
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: he's moving furniture? Yeah? And what sort of kid were
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you were you? Did you sort of gravitate to the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: books or sports or both?
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Was I was somewhat of a difference in our family
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: have seven kids, and I was one born after the war.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I had two born before and then they came very
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: rapidly after me. But I loved school. It got me
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: away from my brothers. Let me tell you. It was
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: very much a gender based communities at that time. So
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Christmas at Sunday School, the prize for past the parcels
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: was considered that a girl couldn't pass the parcel quick
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: enough to get the price. So it was a boys car,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: a little toy car, which I won. And my brothers
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: didn't have We didn't have talk so that we know
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: where you had nothing, So obviously I had to give
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: them the car. The next year they learned their lesson.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: They had a doll and I won the doll. So
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I got the doll home and three days later. You know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I wasn't particularly enamored by the doll because I'd never
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: seen dolls. I was wondering where the doll's gone, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: one of the brothers said, up the wood heap. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: went up there, and they'd cut its head off with
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: the exit.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: My god, oh my god, they didn't. Yeah, that's last
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: time you win anything around here.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: So I was even though they were, you know, my
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: one brother thirteen months anger, another one fifteen months younger,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: and so it went like that. I really never they were.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: We were very different. They hated school. I loved it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't miss school for anything. They pleaded with mum,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: dealin and be home. So for me, I was I
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: loved learning, I loved painting. I love community, sport, you
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: name it. I played at hockey, basketball, netball, you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: all of that. Athletics. I had surely stripped and trained
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: me for a little while in athletics, but nobody ever
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: said to me I was always top mcclass and that
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: sort of stuff. Not that we thought anything of it,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: but nobody ever said to me that girls don't do that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Girls don't do it. It was a time when girls
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: did commercial so they became you know, secretaries, worked in
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: the bank or teachers, you know, other than that. And
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: at that stage, if you got married, you couldn't teach it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: It's a female. Anyhow, it was a different I taught
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: started teaching in a country town in Weststralia called Beverly.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: You're the mayor, Yeah, absolutely so.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: The quite a reasonable indigenous community there that lived in
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: a reserve. So you know, I got to have that experience,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: which was good. I was a science teacher. Nobody ever
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: said to me that women don't do teach science. Nobody
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: ever said to me that women don't do anything. I
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: was never discouraged, but I was never encouraged. Had I
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: not got a scholarship, I couldn't. I was the only
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: one in our family to finish school. But had I
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: not got a scholarship, I couldn't have happened. So yeah,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: a fantastic, simple, uncomplicated life that just breezed through.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: When did you go from there to the big smoke smaker.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Well, I taught because I'd got a scholarship and they
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: needed teachers. Then you had to agree. If you accepted
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: the scholarship, you had to teach for three years. So
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: in those three years I taught in a number of
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: country schools, country high schools. I met. I met this
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Robert True Redford look alike and Phil Madly and that,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: and eloped from West Australia to Sydney. My mum wanted
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: me to have the wedding in the big cathoed because
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: I was the one, the only one to finished school.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: I was the one that, you know, Mum could glow about.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: So it was it meant Mum was one of seven
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: children and they all had seven kids, and I was
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: going to have to pay for this wedding that was
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: going to be a squillion rellos that I didn't know
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: the town by the sound of it, So I said
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Mum and Dad in the backyard a couple of friends.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Mum freak took to a bed Yama's got the vapors darling.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: So I eloped and ended up in Sydney.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And when did you live in Sydney?
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Well, the guy I married had come from there originally,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: so his family was still in Sydney. Went back there,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: married in a registry office and taught in a boys
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: high school in Sydney for seven years. But my then
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: husband's best it was Peter Mechanic. So Peter is at
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: the beginning of his career, had no money. So when
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: they came to race in Sydney. They came and stayed
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: with us, so free accommodation, free meals I cooked. My
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: then husband was a mechanic. We had a service station,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: so he helped on the racetrack. So it started by
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: going along, as you know, the general dog's body to
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: do all the timing, cleaning, keep the girls away when
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: it was time to focus on the races, sor ry bevo,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: it's time. Just move them out of the way, please,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: So I knew what I was getting into when cars,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Let's put it this way. The first car I bought,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: God was a Courtina, and it was immaculate, little Courtina.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: But I find out after I've bought it that it
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: is a lemon, and it's got a mind of its own,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: and it does what it wants when it wants, whether
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: you like it or not. So I had a mishap
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and got it fixed and would lend that car to
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: anybody who wanted to borrow. So I didn't drive it
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: very much. When I went to Sydney and I needed
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: a car of my own, I bought a little dats
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: In one twenty.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Y but beautiful. That's a great car.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Fantastic, except back then women couldn't sign a contract. Are
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: you serious? Absolutely? So the dealer, I said, you'll have
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: to bring your husband in. Oh my god, and signed
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: the contract and I said, I beg your pardon. I said,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: I have a regular job. I go day by day,
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: I go everything. I get a paycheck. He can go
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: out for the night, and said he'll be home early.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I might not seem for two months. Do you want
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: him to come in and sign the contract? And he
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: looked at me and he said, well, we reconsider. You
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: can sign the contract.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I love that. That is great.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: That's the most wild thing I've heard though. I like
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: it was that just like a New South Wales Laura.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Was that an Australian law?
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: I whod no? Why bothered to check?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, it was insanity. I mean segregation was in you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: why would you check on stuff? Because it was such
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: a crazy broll. It was just a thing right, just
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: the way it was, and you managed, you got on
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: with it. And then the marriage fell apart and I
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: ended up Melbourne.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: So it was good and somewhere between there and sorry
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the marriage. So I'm trying to backtrack a little bit.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Around about the age of twenty two, you had a
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: big accident with your neck right, Yep, that was quite severe.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. I was teaching in this country town, not Beverly,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: another country town north of Perth. And they by this
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: stage the government had built to houses. Well, they were
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: duplexus close so the guys had one single guys one
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: side and the single girls the other. So I had
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I had moved out of this derelictome that when before
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: into this nice new place with two girls. And we
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: were one hundred and eighty mile from Perth, so there
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: was a tendency to develop relationship within the township. So
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: one of the girls had accepted a date with a farmer.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Back then no mobile phone, so he came from a
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: farm a long way out. It was for a Sunday
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: to go water skiing with him and his mates. And
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: then she finds out her boyfriend's coming up from the city.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Help I need rescue? Will you go in my place?
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Find So I was going out with a guy who
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: had already left the farm. You couldn't get in touch
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: with him to come in and pick her up, which
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: was going to be me. I don't know his name.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I never knew his name. I wouldn't never have recognized
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: so anyway, he comes. When he gets here, he finds
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: out he's taking me and not her because she's gone
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: off with a boyfriend. So we get and it's a
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: freshwater lake. Enie Abba. So out there at this freshwater
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: lake that water skiing. Never water skied before. I ended
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: up diving in head first, hit at the top of
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: my head on a submerged standbank and knew I was
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: in trouble. So the boat stopped to pick me up,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: but the movement of the boat painful, so they stopped
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: and put me on the shore and I walked around
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: the shore back to where the all his friends were sitting,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: and one of the guys there said, look, you've hurt
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: your nick. He said, look, I'll ring a friend of
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: mine in Geralton who's a chiropractor, and I'll drive you there,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: which is another hour and a half's drive to there.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: So I've got to get in the car. You don't
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: realize that you how much you use your head as
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: balanced So even sitting down, getting up, getting in and
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: out of a car, and it was over dirt roads,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: sand dunes, and he drives me to Geralton. The chiropractor
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: comes in Caesars, looks at me and she said, sweetheart,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: she said, it's a bit swollen. Why don't you come
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: back and see me on Tuesday and I'll put it
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: back in.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Then.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Oh my, had she touched me, I would have been dead.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: So back in the car, drive back to where I
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: was teaching. But this stage ten thirty at night and
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: the boyfriend is ready to go back to the city.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: He said, why don't you come. I'll drive you back
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: down to perth off at your place and you can
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: see your own doctor tomorrow. So back to the city.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: One thirty in the morning. I'm out of the cargo.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Mum and dad are in bed. I go get myself
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: into bed. Next morning, I've crawled out there there shock.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Call my doctor, meet me at the hospital. So I
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: meet him at the hospital. They do an X ray.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Next thing, They've got sandbags all around me. I've got
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: compression practice on three and four in my neck. So
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: into hospital I have to be on what do they
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: call it when they hang you by your chin in bed.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Like with a yeah?
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: So yeah. I was above head height of anybody walking
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: in the room, so I couldn't see them. So I
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: was in trouble. And I find out because I'd come
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: from the middle of nowhere. We had no doctors, we
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: didn't have dnners. I've never had injections, so I suddenly
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: find out I'm allergic. They in the night. I could
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: control the pain in the day, but when I was
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: supposed to be asleep they gave me something to sleep,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: I had no control. I'd scream the hospital down. The
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: next morning, they said, well, we can't inflict you on
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: any other patients, so we're going to take you out
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: of traction and we're going to put you in plaster.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: So they stretched me and I was in plaster from
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: the top of my head. Half MI nerve my shoulders
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: out to hear. I was in this plaster cast like this,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: And I said, look pointless me staying in hospital. Nothing
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: can happen to me now. So I called a friend
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: who was going to pick me up and take me
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: down south to his parents' farm. And I could hide
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: because I looked like the mitcheller man. I was just
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: so he comes, He's take him a while to get this.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: So I go for a walk around the hospital ground
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: and I get a mosquito in my ear. Have you
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: ever had an insect in your ear? When they when
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: they pummel on your ear drum. It's like a jackhammer
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: in your brain. So I've gone back into the hospital
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: and to get it out, they've had to lift me
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: up and lay me over poor warm oil in my
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: ear to drown. And while they're doing this, I said, look,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: only thing you can hap to me Now I get
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: hit by a truck. You got to watch what you say.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: So my friend Arise picks me up. We're in his car,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: drive out of the gate onto the hospital into the
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: main road. In the back, what ridiculous. I'm already in plaster,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: so I can't no whip lab So I ended up.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: You're probably lucky year already plaster. I was.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: So went downstate and his parents farm until the plaster
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: was to come off, and then they they use a
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: saw to cut across your throat. You hear anyway the
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: plaster came off, I was in one of those screw
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: up collars for went back to school teaching.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: And can I ask at that point, what what was
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the outlook from the doctors.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: I was going to spend my life in a wheelchair.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: I'd never be able to have kids, I'd never play
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: sport again, I'd never I never never did stuff you
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: so they took the collar off. I played a full
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: game of basketball that night, and I didn't take a break. Sort,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: if I'm going to die, I'm going to die doing
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: something I warrant.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make this shot.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. I went water skiing again. I did all those things.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: I did have troubles. When I was teaching in Sydney.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: I had to go back into a collar because I
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: was losing the use of arms. I couldn't lift my
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: arms right on the blackboard. So back in a collar,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: and they wanted to operate and cut the bones out
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: and put a rod through. I wasn't keen on that.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: I met an old bloke who said he was a
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: healer and asked me to give him three weeks and
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: he would work with me. So at that point in time,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: because I knew if I had a rod there, eventually
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: I'd have a rod right through my old spine. So
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: three weeks he threw me over his shoulder, stretched me
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: a little. That I got the use of arms back
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: and I never to have the operation.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Wow, and did that sort of a thing, I mean,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that sort of event in someone's life. Surely that would
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: play a part in I guess the outlook you'd have.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: In Because from that moment when the doctor said all
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: the things I wouldn't do, I thought, he's not in
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: my body. He's had no idea what I'm doing. So
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: from that moment on health became the focal point. I'd
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: taken all for grant, as you do, young people, you do.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: But suddenly health was it. So diet, you know, I'd
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: studied nutrition, I was, you know, done all that. I
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: didn't drink, I didn't smoke, I didn't inhale anything. I
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: didn't you know, I ate a healthy you know, nutrition,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: So total focus on health and well being. I did
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: start to have trouble a bit later, and I took
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: up regular chiropractic care, so, you know, it just it
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: changed me my attitude to life completely because you realize
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: if you don't have your health, everything else in life
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: becomes problematic.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: But do you think that's where that came from? Because
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: you sound like a fairly tenacious person. You're not going
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: to take no for an answer. Do you think that
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: was part of that whole sort of mentality.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I was like that before. I don't
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: know why. As I say, I was completely different from
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: anybody else in the family. I don't know where I
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: got that from, but I wasn't going to allow anybody
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: to stop me from doing what I wanted to do.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: So just but that's a great mentality to have, especially
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: for a female, and back then, because a lot of
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: people will listen to others telling them no, no, you
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: can't do that. That's not possible, because this, this and this.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: It's like, no, no, that's not right. You've got to
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: set your mind to something and you can do it exactly.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: It's interesting because I had wanted initially to study medicine,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: but because of my scholarship, I had to do teaching.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: So for me having research, you know, I studied science
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: or science subjects except geology. I had to learn before
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: I talked that one.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: So it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Gave me an approach to life that life is what
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: you make it. And so all the public speaking i've
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: done since then, his life is what you make it,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: and with a focus on health and then the choices
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: you make. So it's back then there were no books,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: there were no people who had those philosophies, so nobody
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I could talk to. I was alone wolf in those things.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: But it just it's just the way it was that's
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: so interesting. Interesting.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just find that fascinating because that's the thing
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: that I find with a lot of people. They will
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: just stop doing something because they're told they can't or
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: they shouldn't, and it's like, well, it's entirely up to you.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: You can do whatever you want.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: But growing up where I did, we didn't have doctors,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: we didn't have dentists, we had none of the things.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: We had no community as such. So you know, you
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: just you did what you did or else there was
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: nobody They're going to hand it your life on a platter.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: You just Today, that's a different story, so many opportunities,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: and they still don't grasp them, you know what I mean,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: They still let stuff go. And it's like today it's
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: like so different to what have beaten would be.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Like that, completely and absolutely different nobody, you know. Since
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: I've been on the board of an education found out
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: in Melbourne since two thousand and six, and we take
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: what we call challenge disadvantage kids and who are exceptionally
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: who are gifted, and put them through year eleven and
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: twelve and then mentor them through unique So the fact
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: that I could relate totally to these kids It's made
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: that an absolute dream because I value education. I know
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: what a difference it can make, and kids who are
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: really bright, who don't have at network and don't have
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: the finances should not miss out online because so that
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: experience as a child taught me a great deal that
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: I've been been able to apply a lot through life.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: So I know it's a bit of a sidestep here,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: but what do you reckon these days? You're hearing a
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: lot about kids as young as eleven twelve stealing cars
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: and being like bags.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: What is the solution to that?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Because I don't know if it's social media that propagates
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: this stuff, but what is the solution to these kids
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: who just seem to be running?
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Mark Well, Peter and I were both very grateful for
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: the upbringing we've had and the fact that we were
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: now in the position where we actually had the means
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: to help people. So before we set up the foundation
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: at home and good to you. You remember, but there
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: was always a lot of people in our house. So
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: my kids didn't bring home wounded animals. They brought home wounded.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Kids from all walks of life, all of these nationality, nothing,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: it didn't matter.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: So we always had extra kids in the home, and
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: I'd run I ran retreats for women, one hundred women
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: at a time, once a year. So that was about,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: you know, life is what you make it. So that
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: was fine for women. And Peter said to me, Bevo,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: you've got to do something for guys as well. I said, okay,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: as long as you're going to be there, because it's
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: going to be more relevant. So we sort of would
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: have the occasional residential but the guys weren't really keen
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: staying for the weekend. Women were. They were fine. So
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: we had our kids would have a particular group of friends,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: and a lot of them were in that troubled variety.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: So we'd bring them home for the weekend and we'd
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: have a great weekend and we'd all these motivational talk
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: and everything, and they'd be fantast stick and they have changed,
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: and they go home, and a couple of weeks later
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: they come back and they're back in squareway. And so
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: we looked at this is absolutely a waste of time.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: We've got to get the parents before. If you get
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: the parents with the right approach, then the kids are
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: going to be raised in the right environment. They're going
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: to be fine. So we swapped it around from just
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: having the kids and brought the parents in. They worked
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: with them, and that's when I found that it made
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: an enormous difference. So for me, looking at the kids,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: these young kids today and having grandkids at age, I
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: look at my grandkids, there's no way known that they
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: would even contemplate stuff like that. So I look at
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: them and I look back on what we did, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: I know that the most important role any of us
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: have in life is to have children and raise them.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: We're raising our next leaders, our next generation of leaders,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: and if they're not raised in an appropriate fashion, we're
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: going to dip out. So for us, it was intant
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: to get the kids instilled with a good solid basis
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: so that that sort of stuff didn't happen. It had
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: we had mixed. For our eldest, he tried, he wasn't
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: interested in the start. We had to plead with him
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: to get involved with these kids. And when he did,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: he came home one day and said, I'm leaving school,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: and I said what, Because he was exceptionally bright. I've worked,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: I had, I worked with a post grade work at
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Union in special ed gifted kids. So I knew he
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: was bright, and God, you're not leaving school unless you've
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: got a job, So you got to watch what you
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: say as a parent. He goes to school on Monday,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: he comes home and he said, I've got these three jobs. Mum,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: I'm taking that one. I start next week.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: How old is he at this point, well, he.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Was year eleven. So he picked a job which I
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: was stunned in. It was with our race team, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: he had not Our kids didn't particularly enjoy going to
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: the races because for Peter it was always the fans.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: The kids had to wait until they'd finished signing, and
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: then he'd take them home and they'd be starving and
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: over it, so they didn't go very often. But Jamie
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: started with the race team and we at the time
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: had two guys who'd just come out of Formula one
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: and I used to go in and food and do stuff.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: And I went in one day a couple of weeks
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: after Jamie started, and they took me aside, these two
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: guys and the said, do you realize what you've got here?
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: And I said, what are your man? They said, do
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: you realize how capable your son is? Said? Do you
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: understand he's been here a couple of weeks. He can
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: do things that we could not do in Formula one.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: So he stayed there for a little bit, but then
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: he started his own business. He built a replica of
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Peter's first race card without seeing it, without anything, and
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Peter had go in there and look. He said, this
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: is so much better than one because Pleader would do
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: everything by eye and feel, whereas Jamie's meticulous. You know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: everything's just perfect, so it you know, I looked at
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: here's this kid with this attitude to work, determination, perfectionist,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: all of that sort of stuff. So he tried to
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: get some of his mates who had been coming to
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: get them jobs and they'd never even turn up. And
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: he was so mortified that he just walked away from
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: all of that. And so our kids, even though they
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: grew up in the household, which where we always had
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: extra kids, there's no way our kids are going to
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: do it because they had to share their people. They
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: were already had to share their dad, they had to
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: share their mum and their home. So it changed attitudes
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: more than you can begin to think.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's really interesting.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: In the midst of that, Bridgestone, our favorite sponsor at
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: the time had an AD. You remember this cording had
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: an AD for tires.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Is this the one with the gecko?
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's before the gecko. The gecko came in
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: just after that. So I was Peter and I were
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: to be they brought in the new Supercat tires. So
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: we were doing to be in a comparison on a
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: disused airport up in Sydney, and Peter was going to
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: be so embarrassed because I was a pathetic driver, so
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: it didn't show up on the AD. He took me
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: down the paddic set up which his hats taught me
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: how to drive ring, did a couple of runs. That's fine, right,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: just so I didn't embarrass it. So we get up
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: to Sydney the AD. I'm in the car with the
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: old tile, Peter's in the car with the new super Cats.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: We do a thing, slam on the brake stop and
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: he cleans me up by country mile because he's got
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: the good tires. So they swapped cars. I beat it
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: and he looked. He said, Bevo, how good are those tires?
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: And they were. And for me to have that before
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: and after and understand how important tires were in stopping
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: and maneuvering Gordy came. Yes, Gordy didn't have good times
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: on his car. My daughter was not going to be
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: allowed in there had good tires, so he got a
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: brand new set of Quod ties.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I love that was very embarrassed. I will get to
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that story in a second second, but I did want
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: to sort of roughly go back to let's let's go
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: to say it was the seventies at this point, and
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing when did you meet Peter? Was it around
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: sort of the early seventies? Yes, yes, because I mean
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: to me that that was the era I wish I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: was born in. I just think it's it's brilliant. It
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: was you can wear footy shorts for no particular reason,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: partner cigarettes on the bottom of you know, dashboard of
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: your car. It was just Sonny's on It was. The
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: cars were awesome, but it was a real roaring wild time.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: What was what what was that time like for you?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: When the seventies hit and I guess you met Peter.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: It was interesting because I'm this kid from this isolated spot.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: I know nothing. I'm naive. I've never dealt with media,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: I've never dealt with high profile people. I've never you know,
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: all this sort of stuff, and you got to I
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: know you were saying about the footy shorts. Women were
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: not allowed to wear trousers to work. My science lab
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: was sort of in the hill and it didn't get
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: above freezing until eleven o'clock. So I went to the
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: school principal and said, I want permission to wear trousers
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: because it's so damn cold, absolutely against the rules. Episode
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: and he and the deputy principal and as I was
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: walking out, I'm thinking, oh god, and I heard him say,
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: besides which, what would we have to look at because
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: my skirts green? And I tought, mate, you've challenged the
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: wrong woman. So the next day I wore slacks long trousers.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: There's only six other females teaching in the school, and
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: within a week they.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Were all wearing trousers.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: But anyhow, how did I find that? It was great?
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: It was raw amazing. I then got to see I'd
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: seen a little bit of motor racing in West Australia,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: but with Peter we'd go out to the track all
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: the time. I was sort of learning to drive, but
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: then you know, this is the big boys go, and
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: I wasn't really all that interested in driving. Yeah, the cars,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: all of that sort of stuff. I was around the
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: cars because we had a service station we were the
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: racing was there. When Peter wanted assistance, he'd get my
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: then husband to fly down and join him, so I
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: would come, because that meant I was doing the cooking
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: and waiting on them and the dog's breakfast stuff. So
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: to actually find that I was involved in it, you know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: at that stage, Peter not really started winning. He was
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: just at the start of all of that. And so
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: he had one batist and I was at school. I'd
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: been up there on the week. I was at school.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: On the Monday, I organized for him on his way
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: home back to Melbourne to drive past and stop at
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: the school. And you can imagine a boys high school
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: and he's just got it, just one Bathurst. He gets
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: up there and he's up on the stage and there's
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: this you know, these all these young men just in
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: and the principle said to me afterwards, do you think
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: you can teach us to talk like that? We don't
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: get that reaction when we're talking. So I got at
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: that point in time, I got to experience good cars,
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: really good cars, which I got to drive sometimes. Sometimes
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: I had them at school and would take the kids
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: when I because I coached the basketball team, and I
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: take a couple of the players in the car. They
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: just think it was fantastic, absolutely fantastic.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: They loved it watching the old bath hest footage and
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: things like that, especially in the early seventies. Just things
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: like the pit lane, stuff like it was such a while.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Like the way they would fill up a car would
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: almost be with a big funnel and a barrel and
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: pit fires and things like that. It was before sort
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of I'm not sure what they call them, but the
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: valves and stuff that they moved to in the very manual.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was no pit structure as such. There was
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: a wood encounter. There was a single barbed wife, single
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: line of barbed wire fencing. That was it. That was
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: the safety thing over the mountain didn't And Peter actually
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: used to say it was the council. Let's say they're
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: bringing in these safety guys and they'd be putting up there.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Peter said, it takes away the challenge. Don't do that.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: But of course they had to know a few blokes
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: lost their lives, so it tends to change things.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: But leaving up on the mountain, if you're a spectator,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: they were burning cars and doing all sorts of stuff
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: up there.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: That was a time to be alive.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: Well, you had to have to get up there. You
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: had to go up this road and there would be
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: a group of the guys from up the hill. And
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: if you had a female in the car and she
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: lifted a t shirt show them she wears, they would
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: let that car through it if it only had blokes
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: in and they'd have to contribute a certain amount of
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: their slab or they'd have to do a burnout. Trouble
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: is when they did the burn out, the car hage
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: slide off and sometimes went through tents where people were sleeping.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: But the media protected it all they didn't. All of
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: that was kept quiet and up the top at the
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: top where it was drinking it, they brought in the
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: limit for the amount of alcohol you could have. The
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: guys weren't stupid, so they would go up there mid
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: way through the year, digg a trench from their camp
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: site to the where the power thing was and hook
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: into the power cover the trench over they'd have under
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: their tent site. They'd have a big hole and they'd
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: have a big fridge in there, so it's connected to
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: the power, and so that they would have this stock
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: supplying before the police arrived on race week.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: This whole thing is my kind of currency. I just like,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: do you get your tarana in?
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: But it's true, the media.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Covered it all.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: It never happened.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: There were a few people killed, a few people squashed
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: when the burnouts went a bit of haywire. But but
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: you know, Peter and I'd go up and because the
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: guys would be there in their army, great coats, every
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: badge they could find, and they idolized him. So they
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: treated always treated me with absolute respect, and they treated
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: him with respect. But if you were a bit of
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: a whoon or anything, you had to pass certain tests
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: before you were a part of a mom to stay there.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: It was never dull or boring. Let me tell.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: You what do you think it is about the fan
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: base of I mean not just Peter but motor racing
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and cars in general. Is it's such a fascinating love affair.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when my parents were sixteen years old,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: they'll do our dad's MG and for them back then,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: that was their their campfire. Do you know what I mean,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and for a lot of fans working on cars together
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: or talking about cars, debating about cars, it's a passion,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it's a clubhouse. And to see Peter, I guess it
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: was almost like their God, you know, they're king, they are.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: It was interesting because it didn't matter whether you're a
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Ford fan, didn't matter what you model you were, and
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: they respected Peter he was he was applauded by all
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: of them, and so it was to me it was
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: always interesting and there was back in those days. There
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: was a lot of camaraderie. So if you saw somebody
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: having trouble, you helped them. You know. We often gave
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: sets of tires or sent one of our mechanics down
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: to help up the guys who were just breaking into it,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: who didn't have money and couldn't do it. So but
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: you know, it came a time when you had to
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: know you were allowed to be seen talking to anybody
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: from another team because you might be spreading the secrets.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: And it just developed into this, and then when Tony
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: Cochran took over, he wanted it to be the equivalent
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: of the Formula one and so another level of you
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: know that extreme, So all of that friendliness to camaraderie
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: had to go under cover, and it was It was
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: sad because at the end of a race on Sundays,
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: you know, the whole heap of teams would get together
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: for drinks and a barbecue and it was you know,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: everybody talked and shared things. But you know, it came
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: a time when Peter was getting towards the end of
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: his career when he wasn't allowed to lift the bonnet
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: of his car and his own team, he wasn't allowed
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: to talk to the mechanics. He wasn't. They were bringing in,
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: you know, Craig and the younger drivers and they wanted
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: but they wanted Peter because he bought with him huge
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: fan base, huge sponsor support, and announced they didn't have,
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: so they wanted him. And this isn't the guys in
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: the team were fantastic, don't get me wrong, I'm talking
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: administrative wise. So they wanted him. They needed him for
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: all those reasons. But having got them those things, got
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: his sponsors signed over now with their signature on the thing.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: Suddenly and he looked at me and he said, he said,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: this is this is first race meeting for that year
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: was at Winton and it was so embarrassing. The poor
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: bugger was just you know, couldn't look at his car,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: couldn't talk to mcteam of the drivers. And so by
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: the time we hopped in the to come home, he
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: was really gutted. And I said to him, well, why
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: hang around, Why not say now, it's say now that
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: you're going to retire at the end of the year.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: That way it gives you every race meeting around the
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: country say goodbye, sign all the autographs, and get you
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: out of this situation. So he went through a couple
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: of years at the end there that were just abysmal.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: I was just horrified with how it worked for somebody
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: who had brought so much to the sport that was
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: given such a tough time by people who caught They
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: wanted him, corporate, they wanted him, but they wanted to
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: control him. They had to control him for them to
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: get what they wanted out of it. And that was
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: total insult. But anyhow, that's the joys of you know,
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: change happening, evolution of drivers coming and going, and you know,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: I look at some of it now and I think, yeah,
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: there's some little bits of that shows up now that's
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: not quite the same.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: But it's not the same these days.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: If you look at supercars, they're just there's so little
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: resemblance to a road car. Back then at used to
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: the same exactly there and under the skin they're very similar.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: It's just it's a bit sort of disappointing, you know.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: I go occasionally and I watch occasionally on TV, but
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: it's not the same. And I just I look, there
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: was a time when the sport applauded heroic individual so
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: the likes of Dick and Moff and Peter and John Bowen,
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: those were individual and had a big following in their
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: own right. Well, when the change happened and it became
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: sort of suitcus they the ruling was that no one person,
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: no one team would get more support than another, and
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: therefore no individual could stand out. So rather than have
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: a person that the fans could relate to, it's common
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: field and you sit there and think, no, and they'd
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: have a go at the guys who dared to speak up,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: and that says, hang on, they got personality.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's what you see these days.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Anyone that does speak, they get slapped down.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: They just have an opinion. That's the problem is.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: It's a shame and I sort of on one level,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: I feel for them, But on the other hand, they've
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: never experienced anything else exactly, and a lot of them
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: because they've never owned the team, they've never had to
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: do the media, they've never had to get the sponsors.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: They biff and bag and they don't care if they
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: knock somebody else off the track and total of somebody
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: else's car. They don't have to pay for the repairs.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: They don't have to go through all of that stuff.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: And I look and I think, you know the amount
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: of or lack of respect that some of them, the
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: younger ones have today because they don't have ownership in
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: the team. They're employed driver. Whereas we go back to
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: the time where Dick Glenn's seat and you know, Peter,
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: you know, they owned the team. The financial risk.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Was all differently as well, because you.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: Can't and all that happened every time was the mortgage
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: on our home just got bigger and bigger because you've
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: got to find more money. So for Peter, the sponsorship
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: money came in and that was for the go fast.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: It's bibow so you can so you can do the cooking.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: You can feed the crew, you can do the timing,
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: you can make the costume, the girls costumes. You can
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: fix our race suits, you can make our race suits.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: All of that was mine and look after Peter at
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: the same and the sponsorship money came in for the
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: go fast and look good. Yeah, it's got to look good.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: So you know, there was one year in Bathist where
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: if you led for a lap in qualifying, fastest lap,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: leading the laps in the race, blah blah, everything, and
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: he won everything that was possible to win. It was
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: a dream thing in that sense. But by the time
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: you paid your co drivers because you'd give them, promise
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: them or your crew, if you win, you get a
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: certain thing. We didn't meet costs. We'd won everything and
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: still didn't mean costs. So people automatically assumed that because
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: you were there and the leading edge, you were wealthy,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: but like everybody else, you were struggling to be there.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: And so that works like if you're if you run
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: a race team, you guys are paying for everything. When
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: it comes to sponsorships, do they always have strings attached?
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: I mean that they'll get something on the car, But
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: does it mean that Pete would have to go and
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: do ads and talks and stuff like that.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: Well, at one point in time, when Peter was King
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: of Bomber and Queen, it came out and we were
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: invited to have lunch with the Queen, and Peter would
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: say yes initially, and then Mobile had a function on
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: for their dealers and they said we need you there,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: so we walked out. We didn't go to lunch with
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: the Queen. We did the mobile functions.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine that conversation, Sorry, lez, i can't make
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: it to the sandwiches. I've got to go do this
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: thing for a bloody petrol company.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: He had to get permission to wear it clossis cloth
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: crown because you can't. You cannot wear a crown in
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: front of a royalty if they've got the crown, and
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: she had.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Her crown so versus the queen.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: It's just, you know, all of these these things. I mean,
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: it was there was always something, always something which was
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: in one level exciting, but it was exhausting because people
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: would say to me, oh, you know, you're so lucky.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: It's what places with me.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: For a few weeks.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: It was it was full on.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine, I mean just being a race driver.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Being part of the support crew is full time stuff
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: for different engagements.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Well, he had all the business meetings, all the media stuff,
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: the fans stuff, he was constantly in demand. I don't know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: I honestly don't know how he survived and coped with
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: it all.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, you should play. You
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: do play a big part in that because from what
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I hear as well, it's Peter was this sort of
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: ball of chaotic energy and you really were the sort
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: of the calm and focus behind him and prevented I guess,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: so he doesn't burn out, you know.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: Well totally because for me it was you know, and
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: I know it's going back to the old gender the roles,
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: but at that stage, for me, it was in order
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: for him to do and be the success he needed
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: to be, he needed to have a good, sound, support based,
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: peaceful So we had an understanding with the crew myself
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: that if there was any problems at all, he doesn't
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: know about them. When he gets the race tracked, he
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: is there for the fans, for the sponsors, for the race,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: for the car. Anything that's a problem, we'll deal with it. So,
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: you know, there when we sort of split with Holden,
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: and they had issued legal papers that practice stay at
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: the first practice day, the pits. Do we keep these
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: away from him? Do you know all of that sort
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: of stuff. So it was on one hand people would say,
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: but you're treating him like a child. Then if you
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: had to do what he had to.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Do, imagine though, having that in the back of your mind,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: just as you're about to go racing.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not treating someone like a child. That's giving
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: them the best chance at success.
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: It was for me it was the time of learning
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: about the media. You have to pardon me if I
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: treed on tos you guys, but at one point in time,
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: this is when we're splitting from Holden, and the media
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: want interviews, interviews, and if he was going to be
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: doing all the interviews, he wasn't going to be working
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: at trying to get where do we build the cars now?
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: Who do we employ? Who do we So he was
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: doing that, So I would do the media interviews and
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: I had never had to deal with media before. So
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: I've got this interview with this guy and he comes
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: out and I didn't understand what got me in there,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: And his opening thing was he sets me up. They've
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: got the lighting, and he sets me up and he
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: says to me, isn't this Peter hiding behind your skirts? O?
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: God?
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: And I believe it's kind of disgusting thing to say.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: It was seven thirty or something, so the promotion for
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: that to go to TV. What a disgusting thing to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: say was what they did. And then people in the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: media when they saw it said to me, you understand
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: he was sitting you up? And I said, what do
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: you mean he was sitting up? Well, for start, he's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: got the camera sit down though that looks up. He's
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: got the lighting sit down, he's got a green lens
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: on the camera. So it all is designed to make
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: it hawkish, throw shadows, all of those things. And I've
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: said that I think seriously. Anyhow, I didn't find that
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: out until after, but it taught me then the strategies
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: that people would go to the media would go to.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: So I get home from there, I deal with him.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: I get home from there. The phone's ringing its radio
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: stations in South Australia and they heard. So you realize
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: then that all the media around Australia listened to anything
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: that might be interesting. They've got somebody listening and.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: And that is the beginning in a media sense, that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: is the beginning of setting a narrative.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: And fair enough, and I understand all that, but when
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: you add that, it's okay when everything because he had
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: been the media's goldenhead boy and suddenly they decided he's
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: the one we go for because it's big stories. And
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: so to see him feeling mortally wounded because he'd never
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: done anything wrong, and to know that in order for
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: him to get through this, we need to have a
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: very calm situation. And so we took care of all
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: of the tough stuff, and maybe we did treat him
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: like it, but then he didn't have time for it also,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: which is fair enough.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: So did you learn from that experience with the media.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Did you treat every future interview differently?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: I looked more carefully, But Peter actually said to me, Bevo,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: He said, make sure that everybody you talked to in
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: the media has our home phone number, our facts details,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: our emails, all of that. And I said to why,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: and he said, if you don't and they write a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: story and you've refused to participate, he said, you've got
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: no right to complain about when it's wrong. And so
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: God bless you. He'd give everybody a homephone number of
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: my details, and somebody had come up to them with
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: a personal problem or health problem. I just got to
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: call BEV here, here's a number. So the phone. He'd
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: come home, he'd be sitting at the kitchen bench, the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: phone would bring and I'd talk on the phone because
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: somebody's yeah, the brother's dying and blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: And don't do that. I said, what do you mean?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: He said, don't talk on the phone when I'm here.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: I'm not home very often. I want to have your attention.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: You're the one that's giving them my number, You're the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: one that's telling them I have the solutions. And so
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: it was sort of it was, it got very complex,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: just you know, it was you know, can.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I say on top of all that, there was also
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: creating a home life as well.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: And at two hunderd Acre property, Yeah.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: It's just stunning property. It was a stun property too. Yeah.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: And we had Peter's parents living we built a house
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: for them on our block, and had his aunt and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: uncle living next door who didn't have any children. And
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: my father had dementia and came over so I had.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: We had all these oldies and in about five years,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: in over a period about three years, lost five of them.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: So I was nursing them at Omas Wilson.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: It was because that's that's all.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: No, I don't say it for that reason, but I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: look back because it's there to be done. You do it,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: You don't, you don't look at anything else, You just
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: do it. And I look at you know, the young
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: ones now when they have their kids and they need help,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: and I think, yeah, do.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: You seriously, like that's that's a good point someone.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: We didn't get that help and then we had there
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: was no early learning center, no daycare.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Center, nurse on call, all that sort of stuff, none
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: of that. It was always such a welcoming and warm
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: place to go to. That's my memories of of your place.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: And I remember you were talking about the tire situation before.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: I remember this one time God and I remember, like
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: I'm genuinely there's two things that I'm genuinely embarrassed to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: talk about. And I didn't think Alex would remember, but
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: she remembered that she brought them up one one time
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: was and it was it was a It actually gave
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: me a lifelong lesson in in kindness. I had the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I had this little Zuzuki Swift right, and I used
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: to drive it was my first card and I'd drive
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: it from you know, into Nutfield at the time, and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: the tires were baled on it. And one time it
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: was like I was driving home at like two o'clock
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: in the morning or something like that, I ran off
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: the road into some sort of a ditch into some
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: poor person's fence, which was a barbed wire fence. And
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: I was too embarrassed to like call call for help
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: or anything. So there I am two o'clock in the morning.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: It was pissing down with rain. I'm trying to like,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to read. I'm trying to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: pull this barbed wire fence off my little car and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: then try and get out of the ditch.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: And then in an interesting spot and.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Some guy pulls over and goes, oh, you need a hand.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, yeah, And I'm like, please, don't be
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: the person who lives in this house, and he said, oh,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I lived just over there.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: People come off the radio all the time of radio anyway,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: so it sort of helps me take this thing up.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: I drive out of the ditch. And the next day,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I think I pulled up in your driveway with a
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: scratched up car, and you just went, Okay, you can't
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: you can't be doing this, you can't be doing this.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: And obviously you know you can't have your daughter's boyfriend
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: at the time driving around with ball tires. Let's let's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: get that fixed. But it was also such a such
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: a selfless act of kindness, and I remembered that a lot.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: And yeah, within BEV made one phone call and within
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: within an hour I was down at some garage putting
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: some Bridge firestones on there. Fantastic tires. Shout out to Bridge.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: Though, amazing company.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there was actually this other time right where
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: I had a I had a problem with that with
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: my car. It just wouldn't start, and I had a
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: problem with my cart and wouldn't start. Him like, what
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: is going on here? And I was I was still
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I was quite nervous around around Peter, and I was like, oh,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: there's something wrong with my car, and you know, he
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: was just enjoying a movie on the couch and he
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: sort of comes out, He's like, yeah, just just just
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: pops the bonnet. Yeah, just give it a start. Yeah,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: maybe it's the battery. Hang on a second on and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: he sort of goes inside and boils the kettle and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: sometimes it can be a bit of thick tar around
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: the connections, you know, sort of pour some boiling water
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: over there.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Comes around to my driver's side door and I'm in
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: there and he just gives me this look, and I'm
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: like what, And he just gives me this kind of
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: rye look, a mixture of like this sort of smerk.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: And it also mate just goes put it into park.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think about that and I cringe.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: But look with him with cars, he had this uncanny neck,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: which is why he could drive cars that other guys
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: would pop in and couldn't drive. But when it came
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: to home cars, it's the same thing happened. And I
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: left him home one Saturday morning and I had taken
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: our car and gone up to Saint Andrew's Markets, the
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: local big markets. Everybody has a ball park the car.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: I go into the market, so I come out, get
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: back in the car to go home. Turn the key on,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: won't start. Smoke smoke pouring into the cabin. I can
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: smell it. I turned the key on. Oh God, lifted
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: up the bonnet, went looked, couldn't see anything. It looked underneath,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: couldn't see anything. Had another go smoke.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: God.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: So a couple of the young guys in the district
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: who had worked on were working on our place, walked
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: past and I said to them, look, I've got problems
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: the car. You know, we go to start it and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: it's smoking. Oh go bebo. So they hop in and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: go to start smoke. They don't want to touch. They don't
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: want to see the whole car go up one of it,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: you know, good holding cars go up and smoke. So
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: I said, look, it's all right, I'll bring Peter and
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: get him to come up. They said, yeah, I ring
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: him to come up. So I've wrung him time. As
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: he come up, he said, boy, what's going on? I
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: explained to him. You know, turn the keyon smoke every
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: wed Oh God, hops in, turns the key on, the
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: car starts immediately, no smoke, just got the touch and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: the guys standing there. I'm looking there and I thought, yeah,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: of course. But that's the thing that he had something
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: and I could never understand it. He had a connection
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: where he and a car whatever car, we're just they
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: understood each They just you know, and you sort of
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: it's intimidating because it makes you very weary about asking
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: him next time round.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when he comes along and it just switches on.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: He did tell me one stage, and apologies to anybody
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: listening to this who thinks you know badly of Peter
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: for this, but on one he didn't drink. And if
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: he did have a drink at what he wasn't a
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: good drinker by any means, what you'd call a two
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: pot screamer. So I would have to drive if he
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: had a drink, which is fine. So driving one night,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: and because he was a shocking back seat driver, he
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: taught me. He gave me driving lessons for twenty eight
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: years and I never succeeded about it. But this particular time,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: driving home, he's giving me an instruction and I obviously didn't.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: I wasn't quite perfect enough. He said, giving you a
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: good car to drive is like feeding strawberries to pigs.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: He stopped a car, slammed on the brakes, out, walked
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: around to the passenger site. Get over there, mate. So
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: whether he drunk or not, we weren't they far from home,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: but he could just say because he assumed that everybody
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: else had that connection.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: With Kes and we did.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: It's just the way it what.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: It's such of a it's such a focus. I've always
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: admired that sort of thing because when you are in
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: a car of that capacity and you're on a race
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: track or whatever, there's so much this focus, and there's feel,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: and there's so much like natural intuition when you're feeling
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: sort of a road. It's not just it's everything all
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: your senses. And I think that's that's one of the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: things about the Bathist one thousand as well.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: It's but that's the point of difference because everyone can
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: have the same car, but it comes down to that
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: next little bit, and that's it's that next little bit
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: that gets you the win.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: Earlier in the piece at Colder, for example, they had
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: a series of races where they all rove the same
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: car with the same engine capacity and he's still won.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: So that's that's the key difference, right, That's that's where
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: you're willing to take perhaps a bit more risk and
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: you're willing to put more on the line to get
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: that win. And that's where you're going to you're going
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: to find the difference, you.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: Know with that stuff. I mean, you know, occasionally you'd
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: get high profile sports people who get a hot lap.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: Surprising number of them embarrass themselves in the journey when
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: they're getting out of the track. It was just, you know,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: one of those things that he could you know, I
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: mean you look at the Baffirst where he won by
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: six laps. I mean, it couldn't happen again because these
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: days that you know, when you've got the safety cars
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. But that was the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: easiest race he ever won ever drive. You know, to him,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: the races that meant most were the ones where he he,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: for what one reason or another, had to start from
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: the back of the grid and then to come through
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: and win that race. It's a yeah, that one's achievement.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: That's an achievement. But in terms of, you know, ordinary race,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: he was never interested in what the opposition were doing.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: The crew could go and find out, but he didn't care.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: He said, all we do is we focus on what
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: we're doing the best we can best. I can go
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: down the straight, the best turn, that corner the best.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: That's where my focus is. Nowhere else, and so he
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: taught me about the whole thing and forget everything else.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: It's what you're doing right now in that now moment.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: And one year we had Holden had young Lions, so
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: they were bringing the young drivers through and we and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: each of the leading teams had one of the young lions.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: So we got one and Peter was intent on teaching
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: and talking to him all that sort of stuff. And
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: we've walked into our caravan Tom and he's sitting there
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: and he's got this motivational speaker with him who's making
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: him rehearse his speech when he won the race at
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: the end of the day, hasn't he We told her
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: to leave and we've said to him, mate, it's not
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: how it works.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: He is crazy here.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: That's straight round the corner, up the next straight, nowhere else.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: You're not thinking about the end of the race. You're
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: thinking about here. And the guy said, yeah, great. So
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: the warm up comes for the race before the Race
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: of the Stars, you get a lap, we take the
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: cars down, warm them up. What does he do it
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: gets it coming around the top? Crang's the car? Does
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: he get to start the race?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: He's busy thinking about his victory speech. It's unbelievable.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: And so it's opportunities like that that I you know,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Peter was so profound, he was so strong with the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: messages that he got out and for the ones who listened,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: like Craig listened because he was young, they made a
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: great thing. But there's a lot of other drivers there
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: that were fantastic drivers, but they didn't necessarily have the engineering,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: no house, they didn't necessarily have patients with the media,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: they didn't have the fan base followings. All of those
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: various things made a huge difference, which is why, you know,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: Peter and Moffin it stood out because they had more
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: than just a driver, a driving skill. You know, it
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: is a package. You know, as you say, there's so
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: much going on, it's so forll On, but unless you're
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: you know, I look at these race drivers, they're not
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: just tuns. They are intelligent, amazing individuals who have managed
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: to stitch together all these attributes and make something of it.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Well, it seems Lownsey has done a fair job at that.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: Like he's really good with the media. He seems very
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: patient and an excellent driver as well, and I think
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: he learned a lot.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: He did and Peter worked really good. Yeah, I won't
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: mention names, but there were a couple of others who
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: didn't listen, and we're very happy to go around and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: criticize whenever they didn't think anyone was listening. But it
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: had always comes back absolutely.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: It's a very small.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious for there ever discussions for Peter to
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: get into F one because I know that would have
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: been the next logical step. Right.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: He drove open wheelers here. He had a an open
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: wheeler in the category early in the piece, and his
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: father worked on the car for it, which was great,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: but as he said, the fans don't support it here
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: in Australia, sponsors don't support what's the point in miss
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: putting all my time into this when it doesn't have
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: the support in Australia. And you know, he was asked
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: to race oversea. I mean he drove early back in
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: the early seventies. He drove it to a Spa with
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: Jerry Marshall for the English driver and you know he
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: got a lot of requests to drive there because then
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: we did Spa and Lemon and that sort of stuff.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: So he but that was driving a car that Australia
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: is related to and therefore he had he didn't have
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: any trouble getting sponsorship. Did he like being away from home?
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I who was going to cook him and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: lays close out in the morning and put his map
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: for He'd get his schedule for the day and I'd
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: have it photocopied, and I have the page of the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: back then the road directory and have it all laying
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: out waiting for him, so that he was up. It's
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: the only way he could get with his change of
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: clothes because he'd have to go from a media meeting
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: to a board meeting to you know, so he'd have
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: to have the full range of gears, so you'd have
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: to lay his clothes, his information, all of that.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: That is amazing. He was very fortunate to have you.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's pretty awesome. He was.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's you know, I mean it was a
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: joint venture.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: And when sort of it was all coming to and
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: he said, Bebbo, he said, I think I've taught you
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: everything you need to know.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: You'll be fine, You'll be right.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Can I ask Actually, it's cool if you don't
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: want to if you don't want to go there but
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: that day when he was doing the Tiger West and
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: you get that phone call about his passing. I mean,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: that's a phone call. Was that a phone call the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: way you found out it was?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: But I don't know who called. And it was a
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: woman's voice, and she just said there's been an accident.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: And for me, in having teenage kids at the time,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking which one of the kids, And she said, no,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: it's not the kids. He said it's Peter. He hasn't
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: made it and hung up the phone. And so I've
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: got this phone call, and I'm sitting there thinking, and
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: I've got to let the kids know. But I can
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: hear a helicopter and I looked out the window and
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: the cars and so the media landing in the paddock,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: that driving up the drive. The camera's wearing. I've got
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: to go out and talk to them. And I hadn't
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: told the kids. So Jamie, the eldest, was doing an
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: interview with somebody for a magazine and the guy doing
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: the interview got the phone call and Jamie was saying,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: just look at this guy. He's gone white. He didn't
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: even what's wrong. The guy had to tell him. Rob
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: worked with He's soon to be fiance at computer Share
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: so I could ring her and get her to tell
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: him and Alexander had gone to the movie's gone to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: see a goal. All she'd said was she'd gone to
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: a gold Star movie and I knew what movie it was,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: so I had to look and find out and get her.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: When she gets out of there, her phone's going to
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: get So I got a girlfriend to go and sit,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: track down, sit outside. So you don't get the privilege
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: when you got a public profile, you don't get the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: privilege where you had no private time. And we're no
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: sooner dealt with that, and the funeral comes and you're
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: sitting there and then the media stuff for the will
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: went on for nearly two years. So it was excuse me,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: it was shit time. It was not an easy time.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: And in that time, do you have time to yourself?
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Does it take it? Is it years after where you
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: can sort of sit down and process it? Is there?
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: Look, The interesting thing is i was teaching life skills
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: at the local community living and Learning center, and I'm
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: thinking about my kids, and I'm thinking about the fact
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: that I'm teaching life skills how to cope and stress,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: and I feel if I stuffed. If I fall apart now,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to be an example for my kids
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: and I will have no right to teach life schools
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: because if you can't manage it. So the whole time,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: I've got this conversation going on in my head. You
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: have to do this, you have to stay on top,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: you have to do all that. But then you know,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: also had to sell the farm, all the legal stuff.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: There were five six legal teams working on all this stuff,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: and you just it just was an ongoing nightmare. You know,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: you just it's a debarcle that, but you don't have
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: any choice. It's there. You've got to deal with it.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, these processes are meant to make stuff simple,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: but they don't.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Definitely don't.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: They don't. And for me, I have to be completely honest.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: The media were amazing. They hated what they were having
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: to do, but there was a job they had to
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: do it. And you know the other there was two
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: slight examples where one woman from Sydney and one was
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: a go here in Melbourne that were a little bit off.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: But I have been given a really good run by
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: little media. So and because they appreciated the awkward situation,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: I was in, so you know, they've been very kind.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, you were talking about this just before
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: you came in, but we're talking about the fact that say,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Target Tazzy has been paused and Target all together all together. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about that?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: On one hand, I'm torn because you know, people and
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: say guys, and I'm not meaning you know, but it's
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: more men, far more men than what women do. You know,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: that's the reality. They are adrenaline driven junkies, most of them,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: and they enjoy that, then they should be able to
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: do it. But if, as Target Tazzy has shown of
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: late that you know, it's lost, far too many could
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: drive its that conditions are not what they need to be.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: I feel very much for the families when the drivers
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: or the navigators and that lose their life. I feel
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: for them because I know what they're going through. I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: hated it when people said to me, but he died
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: doing what he loved. What a load of toss. I mean,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: here's this guy who's taught class driving all these years.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: He's the five face all of these things about responsible
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: and class driving and being watching what you do on
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: the road. For him to have died in that fashion
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: would have been the most embarrassing thing for him ever.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: And so it pissed me off when people would say, oh,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: but he died doing what he loved. Absolute toss. Absolute toss,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: because six weeks before he died, he had wrung me
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: and had told me that he was sorry he had
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: failed as a partner, as a father, as a member
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: of the community, had never contributed anything worthwhile, and he
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: absolutely believed that it was sad because we didn't see
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: it that way. We didn't see him as failure in
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: any way. I mean, I don't know how he did
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: all the things he did, but it just gave me
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: the inkliner in understanding that it People were not talking
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: about mental illness in sport. That was only just starting
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: that when we're talking sixteen years ago. So the fact
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: that he was retiring and didn't want to. He was
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: a peter pan, perpetual young thing that was big enough
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: on its own, and he didn't. He said to me,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: the reason he'd wrung me was to actually tell me
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: that he had finally retired. He was it, That was it?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: No more bevo, He said, I know it would mean
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: more to you to hear that than anybody else, and
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: you know, he said all the other things. So that's fine.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: But then the day that I find out he's died,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: I found out he's in that event. We didn't even
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: know he was in the event. He hadn't had the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: courage to tell us because he'd already broken to us
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: that he retired. And so whatever it was that convinced
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: him to go out and have one more go was
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: who was he trying to prove it to himself? He
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: didn't need to prove anything to prove and you know,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: to go in the way he did. You know, you
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: just look and you think, well, it's also wrong, but
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: it's real.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: That's what happens when.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: You say about targer, you know, limiting and that. Yeah,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: there is a time when they have to you know,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: set some regulations. You can't simply have people continually work.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, the safety gear is what they wear, the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: way the cars are built. There shouldn't be any deaths.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Exactly in the sport at all. And that's the thing.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: Somebody with Peter's skill, if they can die in an
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: event like that, that means that an average Joe who's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: gone and spend.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: A couple Yeah, a lot of wealthy people that hobbyists
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: or so.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: Following that I got I did a lot of public
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: speaking with road safety. I was on the patron for
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: the Road Trauma Association and i'd go up to with
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: the Australian Road Safety Foundation. I'd go up and we'd
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: talk do safety talks in the minds up from Coeensland
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. And the thing for me, the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: way I would put it across is, look, here's somebody
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: who is seen to be the best drita in top
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: competitive sport in Australia, thirteenth in the world wide best ones.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: And I said, and he can still lose his life.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: So you guys, let's look at this and see what
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: it is you've got to change to make sure that
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: you don't put your families in the situation that we
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: found out. So when you can get it down to
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: those basic things, it can sometimes penetrate and make a difference.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: So if out of something that really sucks, you can
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: turn something if in any way it can stop somebody
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: else from decision. So I look at target and things
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: like that. Nothing, Well I'm out. I've got nothing to
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: do with the decision making. But please be careful.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Well it's such an interesting race too, because there's nothing
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: that you know these targets. They're really individual style races.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: I mean the fact that you're going through small country
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: towns roads. It's like a hay bail sort of barrier
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: and you can just go at it like a wild person.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: But it's very different to a racetrack. At a racetrack
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: you have so much safety. You've got runoff areas. Some
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: of these places, you've got trees both sides of the road.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: The weather can change very quickly, so you know the
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: car ahead could be in a different road condition to use.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: Someone can spill oil, which you don't even know about
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: until you get there.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: There's just so many variables that you don't have at
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: a racetrack.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: And yeah, look to me, I've done a couple of
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: those events, just an enturing stages which are speed limited,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: and even that, to me, I'm definitely not a race drive,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: but sort of you know, white knuckled. I can't even
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: imagine what it would be like when there is no
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: speed limit and you're up against a clock like you are.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: You are wanting to go fast, but it's well.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: Where Peter METI's end. It was just up the road
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: from where I grew up with this as king, oh
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: you're kid, and I was asked to go back at number.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not good, No thanks, no way. I don't need
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: to be seeing that it's just you. And at Bathurst,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: I was up there a couple of weeks ago because
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: my middle son lives on Conrod Straight and so I
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: went up there because his kids came down from Queensland
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: for holidays. So I went up spent a couple of
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: days up there and had another visitor who's a gold
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: medal winner at the Olympics, came up to visit me
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: and took him on a lap around. I said, no,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: you're driving, and just he was absolutely. You know when
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: you've come across skyline and you're getting down through the
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: ass and oh god, it scares hell out of most people,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: and yet they just freeze through your notes.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: If you haven't been there, you don't know the elevation changes,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: and the elevation change is ridiculous. You are literally climbing
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: a steep road and they're flying through there. It is
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: a remarkable track, and I think you look at tracks
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: around the world, nothing else really compares to it. And
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: they're actually having discussions at the moment at Spa with
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: that second batters Yeah, and then Hockenheim.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean Spa is an amazing track out
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: in the forest and all that is beautiful.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: They're talking about the safety stuff there at the moment
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: as well, because they're constantly losing people there.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: You know, we well, last twenty four hour race, we
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: did Oh my god, that's the pits were as you
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: come up the hill. Then basic rules were non existent.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: We had in our pits, had a forty four fuel
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: gallon fuel and on top of that a bit of
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: wood and a chair and I'd sit on the chair
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: to do the timing. But then the corporate hospitality was
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: above and somebody and somebody dropped the umbrella hit me
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: on the top of the head. When the cars coming in,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: I'd have to find a way leap down off this
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: structure to go in and get the food to feed
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: them all. In the moments with the pits, it just
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: Spa was. You know, you could wear what girlies in
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: their bikinis and wander along into the pit area and
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: you just for our guys to get to the car.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: They developed a technique. They had a long bit of rope.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: One would stand in front of the car and one
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: at the back, and it'd be laying on the ground
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: and when they needed them they had to pull the
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: rope tight and it it just toss all these clever
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: little dollies in their bikinis and out of the way.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: Just spa was a very very unique situation. Very but again,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: how many people in their life can find you know,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: for somebody like me who grew up barefooted, horse and
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: cart ends up meeting going to the most amazing places,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: meeting the most amazing people, doing the most amazing things.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: So when people say to me, I feel sorry for
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: you've done it. I've had the best life. Has it
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: been perfect?
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: I mean who has a perfect line. We're all going
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: to die eventually, that's the reality.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: If you could see that, if you could see the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: life on a board, would there be anything you change?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: No? Not really. I mean there are a few people
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: that probably choose not to overly have a presence in
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: my life. But other than that, No.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: Just before you came in as well, I was having
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: a bit of a laugh with Gordy. I know that
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: you mentioned before the situation with you know, with sponsors
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: and needing to make ends meet. How do you find
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: people who are using Peter's name to make a buck?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Because we found plain of our existence.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: I found this on carsle so one and a half
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: million bucks for a VX Series two manual.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: That I don't you don't have to give it to
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: me any closer. Do you know his car that way?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: It's Roberts, our middle son's car, right, Peter bought it
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: for him, and so therefore Peter's name is on THEOIC
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: the invoice certificate. Interesting and it's it was a very
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: or card.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: Well that's what I thought. It was a V six manual.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: Dead in a V six manual exactly.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: It was for Rob to get around it, and he
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: actually had a head on our driveway with Catherine's boyfriend.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: He was coming up and Rob was going down and
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: they which was thank you for that, and yeah that
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: was that was somebody else we had living in that much.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: And so we had to change our drive from being
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: a one way to a big loop so that that
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: didn't happen to busy. But that when Rob when they
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: got in touch with him and said that somebody wandered
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: that they wanted a million and a half. We just laughed.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: Absolutely the number of times I have to authenticate and
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: go through and a lot of them have faired income.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: But there are some there that one guy wanted me
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: to sign because often it's the glove box because I
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: do quite a few car shows and that sort of stuff.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: That's and I get I signed cars. I personally think
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: it's taking turning down the car a bit, but people
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: still want me to sign. So it's a glove box lit.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: So this guy gets in touch with me. He wants
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: me to sign the glob. Yeah, that's fine. So he
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: lives in Diamond Creek. Apparently gives me the address, see
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: you at ten o'clock on Saturday. So I go there
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: to the address ten o'clock Saturday morning, knock on the door.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: Bloke's not there. The woman, the woman who lives in
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: so and so. Never heard of them. It's a beggar.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: Pardon I was told to come here at two o'clock. No,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: that's our name. We've lived here for years. And I'm
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: thinking I've walked out and I've got my texture in
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: my hand, and this bloke comes out from behind a tree.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: I've just picked somebody's place to where he can hide.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: Because he thinks that you'll think it's okay because it's
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: just down the road.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Sort of.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: I believe it's sign it because if they've got to
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: sign on, whether it's a glove box, whether it's in
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: the engine, no matter what it is, it adds a
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: bit of a graceful the number of people who have
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: wanted to buy my car it was your car and
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: they wanted the extra insurance and it's going to cost
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: this much. I think, what for a car I drove
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: for two weeks.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: It's funny Peter signature as well, because my mates went
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: to a car show, whether it be the Melbourne Car
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Show whatever. I hadn't long been dating Alex at the time,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: and my my rat bag mates went up to him
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: and go where Gordy's mates And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: he wants to get a Tarana, which is true, and
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: he's got he gets this poster and he goes, hang
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: on a second and he just goes to hear Gordy
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: forget Tarana's keep with the swift. And then I'd seen
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: him that day and he just looked at me and
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: pointed and I said, what he goes, You don't know
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: you you'll find out. My mates with this just couldn't
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: wait to come over and show me this post so good.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: In terms of cars, which is really supposedly what this
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: is largely about. At one point in time, and I
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: hadn't been living down here in Melbourne all that long.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: Peter was running in the Alpine Rally and I was
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: to drive up. He had been up the other day
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: or so beforehand. Well, Commodore was just about to be released.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: It hadn't been released, but Peter had one of the
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: pre release cars as a test car.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: And what year was this?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: It has to be back in seventy years yep, six
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: seventy seven or something. So I've got his road car
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: and I'm driving up to meet them up there on
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: the on the Saturday, halfway through the rally. So I've
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: headed off in this Commodore and not taking the full
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: im peptop it, and I'm heading up towards Seymour and
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: these two young guys in the car behind me have
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: seen new car pre release, and so I'm coming up
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: right I'm a bumper, and they're looking and pulling right
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: inside and I'm looking and I'm freaking, and I'm thinking.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: So I've put my foot down and taken off and
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: out from behind a tree sets of policeman with a thing.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Stop.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: So I've pulled over, I've stopped, and he booked me
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: for doing one hundred and ten K.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: And I said, well, what about it?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: I say, for Haldway, what about the guys who were
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: hassling me? They didn't I know, we hadn't seen those.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: So apparently the helicopter up there right sees a car speeding,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: get calls down to the cop steps out behind a tree, stopped,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: so I get a I get a speeding fight exceeding
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: one hundred K. Blah blah blah blah blah, and forget that,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: put it, put it aside, go up up there for
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: the rally, come home come Monday morning. I thought, this
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: is pre computer days. Maybe it's wise that I actually
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: go in and get my license changed to a Victorian life,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: which I did, because that's what people do when you're
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: moving a state. I now had a Victorian license in
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: the new South Wales. License never came out of my
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: handbag again, so I was very naughty. But it shows
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: the impact and these days you don't see that. But
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: back then, when a new car, a new model. It
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: was big interest and everybody wanted to see you.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: Know well, I mean, Australian manufacturing is non exist dead now.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: We film a lot of our content at lang Lang,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: the old old moving ground. You've got some history there.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: That place has been around for ages. It's sad to
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: me personally that that's going to disappear. Someday it's ready
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: on the market today housing it'll be.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: Blocking units or something.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: I just feel like, you know, Holden, while it was Australian,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: it sort of worked well, but there was always that
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: American overlord. And then now that they've killed it, they've
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: taken all the history with them. No one knows where
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: any of these documents are, Like, it's all just gone.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: And I just feel like it's just such a big
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: loss and such a shame.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: I think that when I when I watched bath As too. Yeah,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: it's sad.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: It is the day Ford announced publicly that they were
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: stopping manufacturing. I'm looking after Peter's uncle Sandy because the
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: heath farm was next door to ours, and we see
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: look out the back window and see this fire down
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: the paddic. It's that So we've popped in the car
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: and driven down the side road and there's a Ford
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: and late model Forward in the gate on fire. The gate,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: the posters burnt down, the cars burnt brand New Ford,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: and they've chosen a Brock gateway to set fire to
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: their Forward because they're no longer manufactured. I've got this.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: Photo of some weird protests.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: Well why else would it happen? Yeah, exactly, exactly how
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: odd it was the weirdest thing. But there you go.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: That is so interesting.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: Before we wrap, do you have a Do you have
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: a favorite car of Peter's?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: Do I have one?
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Sorry? Do you in my mind?
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not in ownership. I wish Do you have it here?
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Can you sign it for us?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: If you could sign the boot, my mate's going to
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: come out of the bushy diamond freakn pick it up.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: But there are some amazing cars. Even there was a
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: beautiful Toodle Bannaro which he had when that Manara where
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: Scott re released. You know, I had big Manara written
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: up on the side. I think it was a four
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: two seven, I can't tell, But there was some amazing here.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: The Manaro that he got was a particular paint job.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: It was beautiful that I loved that car, but he
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: because he changed. He built so many cars. I'd get
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: them for brief time. But at one stage there was
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: a I had a beautiful Blue Statesman that I really
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: enjoyed driving, and a couple of years ago somebody had
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: rung up and knew that that was my car and
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: they were going to pay this amount of money and
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: that was going to cost them as much to ensure it. Seriously. Okay,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: but that's fine, what story go. There was that one,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: but a lot of his development cars he would actually
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: keep because for long well when I say keep, maybe
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: it last a couple of months. But he would do
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: the development and he'd go into work and on the
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: way and he'd be thinking all these things, Okay, guys,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: what we did? You say, need to remove it? And
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: now we're going to do this. This isn't guys, And
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: Homer had come and that would go on, and so
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: of a nighttime come on with a test run. So
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: he'd do it in the dark, and because out near
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: the farm, out in the hills, there was a big properties,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: no traffic, roads and that sort of stuff, and if
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: you did it on night it was safer because you
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: could see headlights, the glow from headlights so you could
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: do a test run. So it was always that the
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: test runs make sure that it's all going right and
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: so forth. So this constant changeover of cars was enormous.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: But then when he was not with Holden and went
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: with Volvo, I got new Volvo cars on the right,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: and then I had BMW and they'd change used to
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: be in W. I'd get a new little BMW every
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: months and that was pretty good. So despite the fact
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: that I good cars were wasted on me and his idea,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: I actually had a lot of cars a short period
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: of time. And so that it surprises me when people
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: seem to think that because I sat my butt in
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: a car and drove it for a couple of months
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: that somehow it's worth more money. I'd understand if it
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: was him. But anything, the Brock name is just what
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: they It's just. And I deal with a guy in
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: South Australia who's a policeman who got in touch with
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: me because the car he was buying and he wasn't
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent sure about its sporacity. And when I
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: looked into him, no, mate, this is not a genuine article.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: The build number has been stolen off a plate from
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: a car that was crashed, so he's taken it upon
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: himself to look after people find out more.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: That was awesome, right, I love that because people get
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: scammed so often with authenticity stuff, you know, and for
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: someone who generally wants it as a collectible item, they're
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: willing to pay big money for it.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not happy to see somebody lose money on good
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: money when they decent people aren't so And I feel
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: sorry sometimes for the people who want their car authenticated
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: because they bought it believing it was and they now
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: think they're going to get a million dollars for their car,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: and mate, it's like anything else, it's going to be
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: worth eighty ninety thousand maybe dollars.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: Well, there are crooks in every no matter what industry,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: there's always going to be somebody. And when Peter's cars,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: he's road cars all that are around sell for over
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: a million dollars. He's race cars to over two million dollars.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: You look and think when people think that we sort
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: of own the gut, yeah right.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's when it's a few steps down that
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: people are transacting.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Well, thanks for stopping by. Just a quick chat.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: It's been really appreciated.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: Pleasant.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I guess one thing I wanted to
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: kind of bring to the table was that everyone looks
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: at at Peter as you know, Peter perfect and all
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But I think as we sort
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: of briefly mentioned that you are, you're fifty percent of
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: that You're the reason.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: I didn't have any ability at any ability. I was
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: just home based. Yeah, you could, if you could create
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: a calm at home, you were doing well.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: It was good.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: It was always such a warm, lovely family unit. And
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: I just hope you realize that, you know.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: I do. I look at if I look back at
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: it now, it was an amazing period of time in history.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: It was an amazing period of time to have lived.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: I was very fortunate, and you know, you're not going
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: to have that sort of stuff come around very often
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: in the world. So I know how fortunate I was.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: And you know, the thing is that Peter and I
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: were a really good team until in the end where
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: he started doubting himself about everything. And that to me,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: when I see young people doubt their own abilities, and
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: I know, you know, what has the potential to happen
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: is not for a minute that Peter did that deliberately
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: or in any way, shape or form. But a lot
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: of people who when they get down and depressed like that,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: and we find it with our footballer, you know, our
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: ex coaches and captains and that sort of stuff, that
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: mental attitude. And as Peter said, you know, it's not
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: about the engineering of the car, it's not about your skill,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: it's about your where your brain is that when you
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: get behind the wheel of the car. So the instant
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: you sit in that car, know that you're driving a lethal,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: potential lethal weapon. Get your head in the right place
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: and that counts for far more than anything else. And
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: he's right, he was right, And it's you know, to me,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: that's the sad thing that a lot of that's got
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: in history, but that's life. Can't change it.