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Passing the Torch: The Evolution of Cars Yeah with Mark Greene and Ginger Baker Rust · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Break Fix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from all
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  over the autos sphere, from wrench, turners, and racers to artists, authors,
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  designers, and everything in between.
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  Our goal is to inspire a new generation of Petrolhead that wonder to.
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  How did they get that job or become that person?
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  The Road to Success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
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  We're rev it up and welcome to uh Yeah, the Break Fix podcast, not cars.
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  Yeah.
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  But we are gonna be talking about cars.
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  Yeah.
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  Today
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  for years, cars Yeah.
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  Has been a go-to destination for automotive enthusiasts, industry
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  insiders, and anyone that finds inspiration in the world of cars.
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  Hosted by the legendary Mark Green.
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  The show has featured in-depth conversations with some of
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  the most fascinating people in the automotive space.
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  Today we're shifting gears and heading into an exciting new
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  chapter as Caria Transitions to its new host, ginger Baker Rust.
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  Ginger brings a fresh perspective, a deep love for cars, and a
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  passion for storytelling that will keep the spirit of Caria alive
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  while taking it to new heights.
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  What did this transition mean for the podcast?
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  How will the show evolve while staying true to its roots?
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  Knuckle up as we take a behind the scenes look at this exciting
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  shift and hear from both Mark and Ginger about what's next for cars.
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  Yeah.
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  And joining me tonight is returning co-host Don Weiberg from Garage Style
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  Magazine, one of the many personalities on the Motoring Podcast network.
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  And with that, let's welcome Mark and Ginger to break fix.
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  Thank you.
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  It's nice to be here.
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  And I wanted to remind your listeners that Eric and Don were on Caria
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  back in October, 2023 together.
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  And then Eric was a guest August 16th, and Don was, I think he was a three timer.
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  He was show number 27.
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  That's how old Don and I are.
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  And then he was also show, uh, number 1,341, I believe.
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  I get that right.
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  Maybe you're just a two timer.
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  I've heard that about you.
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  No, I think I was three, but the third was with Eric.
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  That's right.
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  Okay.
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  We, we won't call you a two timer then, but Yeah, it's great to be here
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  and it's very special to be here with Ginger because this transition has
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  been so unique for me and so much fun.
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  Ginger, we did do some shows together in, in December of January, right?
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  Yes, sir. We did.
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  Which was fun and kind of odd for me too, because I'm always used to being on
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  one side of the mic and not the other.
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  But yeah, it's great to, uh, talk to you guys again.
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  Feel like I've known you guys forever and, uh, it's, uh, gonna be a unique
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  thing to be here on the show with Ginger, because I've been editing
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  her shows for her and that's really weird too, because I hear cars.
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  Yeah.
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  And I don't hear myself.
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  What's with that?
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  Oh, you mean the voices in your head have stopped?
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  You know, like most people, I don't like to listen to myself.
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  And for 10 and a half, 11 years, I had to listen to myself because
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  I edited almost all my shows.
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  There was several years here where I was having somebody else edit the shows,
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  but I did like to edit them because.
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  I would learn things every time I edit the show, and that would help
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  me try to improve for the next show.
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  I did have some great editors.
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  The ladies that were helping me were doing a great job, but then Covid came and some
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  of the sponsors at that time went away.
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  So the money factor was like, well, I think I should take this back.
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  Kind of reinvented myself a little bit at that time and learned a lot more,
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  and I just kept doing it from there on.
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  But yeah, it is odd listening to the beginning a rev it up and welcome to cars.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's, it's not me, it's Ginger, it's, it's still very hard to get used to
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  see Don.
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  He's a pro seasoned podcaster.
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  He did the whole setup for us and he's created a segue for me to
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  introduce the first question, which is really what is on everybody's mind.
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  Mark, you've been hosting cars yet for over a decade.
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  What inspired your decision to pass the torch and what was your process
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  for selecting a successor to such a legacy that was behind cars yet?
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  And how did you find Ginger after all that?
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  How long is this show?
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  As long as
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  we need it to be as long as we need in 2022.
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  I had a long time friend.
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  Come to me and say, have you ever thought about selling your podcast?
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  I would like to take it over.
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  And at that time I was getting a little bit, I wouldn't say tired of
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  it, but you know, when you do something for 10 years, it's like, well, maybe
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  there's something else for me to do.
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  I'm not so sure.
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  And we, we had a long talk and then I said, you know what?
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  Maybe this will work.
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  So we negotiated a price, we talked about how we were gonna do it, and then sadly
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  he got ill and he had esophageal issues, which kind of affects a podcaster, right?
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  Being able to speak properly and so forth.
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  Or normally, I should say, not properly.
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  So almost that entire year, I was waiting for him to get better and he, he had
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  some surgeries, he got better, then he got worse, then he got a lot worse.
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  And then finally he said, I don't think this is gonna happen.
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  And by that time, almost seven, eight months had gone by.
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  And you have all this momentum and in your mind, when you're ready to let something
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  go, I hold this all to like selling a car.
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  We're in love with our cars, and then you decide to let it go.
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  And all my listeners cars yeah, know about Orange Crush, the turbo
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  that I had, I was all jazzed up to do this and then it all fell apart.
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  So, and it was like, oh, okay, now how do you go about selling a podcast?
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  That proved to be way more difficult than I ever thought it would be, because
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  people think of a podcast as your voice.
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  And so I started to pitch it out there.
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  I got a lot of response from a lot of people.
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  I think I talked to almost 36 different people.
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  One of the other things I did was I did research on have any podcasts
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  ever sold and I found three.
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  Out of those three, two of them were very reluctant to talk about much of anything.
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  One of them gave me a lot of great information.
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  I think he was doing a horse podcast or something like that.
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  There was a podcast for everything.
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  And so I went, okay, well there's a process for this.
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  So I started in 23 trying to sell it.
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  I had all these people contact me.
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  I had many meetings signed, lots of NDAs, went through a lot of things, and
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  it usually came down to a couple things.
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  Once the person found out how much work this is, and you're shaking her
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  head and you guys are shaking your head, they went, well, don't you
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  just talk to people and have fun?
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  And it just happens.
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  I actually had somebody say that to me.
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  I said, what do you mean it happens?
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  That's a bumper sticker mark.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Just do it right.
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  At that point, I started to get a little bit frustrated because I would pitch
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  the whole thing and talk to people.
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  I even had a couple big name, I can't say who they were because
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  we have NDAs, but big names.
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  If I mentioned you'd go, whoa.
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  But then for those companies, and even for some other people, you'd
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  get down to the finance part of it, and usually it was the finance guy.
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  The bean counter said, why don't we just do one ourselves?
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  This is easy.
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  Okay, well, you're just gonna start a podcast and have, at that
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  time, I think I was having 85, 90,000 unique downloads a month.
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  Really?
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  You could do that.
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  Good for you.
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  Okay, go for it.
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  None of those companies have gone on to do a podcast.
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  I think they just realized it's not as easy as it looks.
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  I was getting kind of frustrated and I was starting to think, well, you know in your
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  mind, again, you're ready to sell the car.
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  And then the guy that was supposed to show up at the cash doesn't show up.
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  And then some other people come and kick the tires and, and you go through that
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  whole eBay sale thing or marketplace on Facebook or whatever it is, and
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  you start to go, maybe this is gonna happen and your steam is starting
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  to kind of blow out a little bit.
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  And then one day this lady named Ginger calls me on the phone.
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  Now Ginger, I had been chasing Ginger.
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  Well, I'm married, not that way, but I'd been trying to get Ginger on the show.
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  What was it?
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  Ginger, all the way back to oh seven or oh six.
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  Uh, it's like eight or nine years.
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  Yeah,
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  it was a long time.
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  And I have a list and Ginger owns it.
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  Now the list of all the people I've chased and she probably looks at it
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  every day and goes, oh my gosh, mark.
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  Now remember back then I was doing five shows a week, so I
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  was pumping out a lot of shows.
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  So you know, the phone rings and I went.
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  Ginger, what'd she call me for?
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  I go, ginger, how you doing?
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  She goes, hi Mark.
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  I said, are you finally ready?
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  'cause I had contacted Ginger maybe two, three times a year
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  for seven years, like I do.
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  Everybody, you know?
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  And she goes, well, I don't know if I'm quite ready to be on your show, but I'd
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  like to talk to you about buying it.
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  And I went, what?
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  And she, he caught me off guard so much because I didn't know a lot about Ginger.
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  I had heard about her.
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  She'd been referred to me by another previous Kaja guest, like
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  many of the guests there did.
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  And so we started talking and I think our process from signing the deal from
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  the beginning was probably seven months.
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  Oh yeah.
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  At least
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  eight months.
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  It was a long time.
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  This was something completely outta her wheelhouse.
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  I was like, I think I would like to do this and it would help augment
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  the other businesses that I do, but I don't know if I can do it.
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  And we had lots of these intellectual talks about why I thought she
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  could, or she would tell me why she thought she couldn't.
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  And then I would tell her, well, here's what you have to learn
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  and all that kind of thing.
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  So eventually we struck a deal and we decided when that was going to start.
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  The rest is history really, because we did some shows
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  together end of January, I think.
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  Ginger, you started doing them yourself?
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  Yes, because at this point we're doing one a week.
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  I think we did four, six, something like that.
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  And I finally said, ginger time two jump up.
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  Yeah, the training wheels off.
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  Yeah, I'm getting outta the car.
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  You're gonna drive down the road now and don't crash my baby because I
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  spent, you know, and I don't want this to fail, not only for her personally,
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  'cause I'd be become friends, but I built this brand in a way that I
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  felt it could continue on forever.
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  You know?
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  It's like somebody, again, buying your car and then driving it off a
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  cliff or butchering it, you know, in a way, even though it's hers now,
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  if you wanna put fender flares on it or turbocharge it or whatever.
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  Wait, I already had a turbo.
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  Anyway, that's the process in a nutshell, and that really was
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  a two and a half year process.
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  All told, maybe even three years.
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  It was a long time, but it was a bit of a challenge.
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  But I'm very happy with how this has all worked.
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  Can see by the smile on Ginger's face.
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  She's done a great job.
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  Again, like I said, when I'm editing her shows, it's just very still bizarre.
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  It's just like, where's Mark now?
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  I did do her a special intro and outro and she's still using that.
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  Yep.
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  So my voice is still there for a while.
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  I guess you really have weaned yourself away when Someday I turn on cars.
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  Yeah.
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  And hey, what happened to me?
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  I'm gone.
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  That's how it all came together, and
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  I'm very happy that it all worked out.
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  Ginger, before we dive into your background a little bit, let's pull
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  on this thread for just a second.
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  Mark's trying to get you on the show.
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  No, no, no.
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  And then one day the phone rings and I want your show.
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  I don't wanna be on your show.
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  I want your show.
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  When did that realization happen for you and how did it happen?
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  It wasn't all those years that I didn't wanna be on a show.
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  It was just.
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  Because of what was going on in my career and personal life.
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  And I was on the road all the time working in NASCAR and other racing
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  series and I was just, I mean, I was home a day and a half a week
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  traveling, you know, 10 months a year.
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  And it just was difficult timing more than anything.
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  I. But I had listened to his show for years and I had gotten to know him and
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  the show, but I think I, I was coming to a transition in my career, in my life.
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  You know, I've done a lot of stuff.
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  I've done a lot of things, marketing and corporate marketing and racing
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  and in numerous other industries, pitching a hundred million
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  dollars deals for media companies.
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  And I've always been comfortable being the one, being interviewed or
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  pitching deals or getting on stage and singing in front of people,
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  you know, or, or giving speeches.
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  That's never been a problem.
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  But getting behind the mic is totally different.
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  I mean, I can sing all day long to a huge crowd on the mic, but being able to
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  carry a show, that was something that I was a little nervous about, especially
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  his, because it's such a legacy.
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  So, yeah, I thought about it and I talked to a couple people and, and I reached
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  out to Mark and, you know, I was like, you know, I had this like, crazy idea.
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  I don't even know, you know, but let's talk about it.
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  And, you know, so he started telling me about it and, and I told him what
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  my ideas were and why, but that I was really nervous taking over such a legacy.
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  Also, it's beyond that.
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  It's not just about being on the mic, you know, it's also understanding the
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  business side of it, of what has to be done on the business side, what kind of
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  priorities that you have to give to it.
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  And it's not just jumping on and recording.
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  I mean, you have to schedule you all these things.
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  Then I'm actually still learning a lot of pieces of it.
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  I, I had, I had an understanding primary foundation, but understanding all the
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  pieces of parts totally different.
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  I mean, I've written TV, commercials, radio commercials,
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  you name it, but I've never.
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  Done a podcast.
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  So, you know, I wanted to make sure that I was fully prepared and wanted
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  to make sure that I was not biting off more than I could chew because it was
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  so important to me to carry on Mark's legacy that he built more than anything.
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  And that internal fear of, oh my gosh, you know, is people gonna accept the fact
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  that it would be a woman taking it over?
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  Would they still listen?
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  Would they be open to that?
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  Would they care that I come from the racing side?
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  Not necessarily from the car collector side.
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  All these different things were going through my mind.
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  Those were all the things that I was considering and whether I could
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  carry his toe, but more than anything was making sure that I protected
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  Mark's legacy and what he built.
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  Yeah.
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  I told her, don't wreck this thing.
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  Yeah.
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  I absolutely would not do that outta my control, but nothing
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  within my control, for sure.
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  Yeah, no pressure by the way.
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  Yeah,
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  well they say in racing it's yours to lose as they transition the, uh,
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  endurance driver to the next driver.
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  If you're not first, you're last.
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  That one too.
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  That one too.
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  Yeah, I particularly love endurance racing and, and I didn't get to
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  do much of it when I was vintage racing, but I did get to do a few.
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  And I remember jumping into a car, I was co-driving and the guy that got
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  out said, okay, I've got us in first.
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  It's yours to lose, psyched to go.
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  And I'm like.
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  Wait, what did you say?
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  Oh, crap.
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  And then you take off and you're like, I could lose this thing.
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  And he put us out in front.
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  The pressure's on, so.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I've jumped in a couple of different seats, other people's race
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  cars, you know, and I was just fine.
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  That didn't make me nervous, you know?
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  But this was a whole different race car that I was jumping into.
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  New kind of ride.
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  Yeah.
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  So Ginger, what you're saying though, it is not like the meat
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  and the gravy, the gravy doesn't just come when you cook the meat?
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  Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
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  You have to develop, I mean, you, it's, it's almost like going
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  back to Betty Crocker cookbook.
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  You gotta go back and you gotta learn the old school, and you've
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  gotta learn the business of it.
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  And you've gotta learn all the ingredients and the recipe of what makes it work and
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  what doesn't work, and how you can screw it up if you put in sugar instead of salt.
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  Right?
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  I mean, and, you know, those kinds of things.
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  That's the way I looked at it in, in the way I approach everything in business.
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  Is being able to take things one piece at a time and look it at it
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  from all directions on what can be successful, what can wreck it.
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  It's like a setup on a car too, right?
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  You gotta understand the technical part.
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  You gotta understand what makes it work in order to drive it.
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  And it's the same thing.
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  Did pride myself in creating systems and procedures for this.
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  That's the only way I could have done this for 10 years.
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  So I had it all very tightly dialed in.
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  And would you agree that probably helped you a lot?
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  Because I learned that at the beginning when I started this and
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  I had to do that because when I was doing five shows a week, you're
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  on a treadmill that is spinning super fast and it never stops ever.
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  If you go on vacation, it's still going.
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  The listeners want those five shows, or in the case of now one show they want it.
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  As Ginger's taking this over, I've said, okay, uh, when's the next show?
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  Come on, you gotta get a bunch of them in the can.
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  Come on.
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  She's like, I know I'll put three people canceled today.
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  And I said, yeah, welcome to my world.
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  Yeah, it's a challenge, but she's doing a great job.
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  I feel good every day.
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  It's been interesting because, you know, I'll have stuff lined up or ready to to
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  record and then we have a power outage.
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  Yeah.
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  It's happened a couple of times.
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  Yep.
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  Or you.
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  Have these people scheduled and then they have an emergency or something like that.
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  Plus just learning the procedures.
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  Again, taking my rookie runs down the track.
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  I, I'm learning a lot of things and I've already bumped the wall a few times.
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  I've definitely got my Darlington stripe, you know, on this, but it's going better.
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  I, I'm getting to where I'm getting things a little bit more ahead and just
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  learning the systems and then, you know, thank goodness I've had Mark as a guide
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  on this, because I would've definitely had to pull into pit lane and crash and burn
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  a couple times if I didn't have him, so.
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  Well, you're welcome.
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  That's 10 years of learning right there.
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  Take it for granted.
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  Why go here?
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  What is it that, I mean, you're leading into it and, and you're
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  kind of getting real close to the wall and you're not touching it.
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  You're going away from it.
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  It's killing me to wonder You have good stuff going on.
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  Yeah.
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  And all of a sudden you decide, ah, what the hell?
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  I'll just take on this podcast.
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  Gosh,
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  I am always been the one that likes challenges that other people would
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  not necessarily think about doing.
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  I mean, I love a challenge and I'm an adrenaline junkie.
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  It's kinda like anything else.
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  When I sit at World Land Speed Record, I didn't go there to do that.
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  I didn't even know I was gonna get in a car and do that.
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  I didn't even know I was gonna race.
• 16:33
  So I was going there to be with a client, and then an opportunity presented itself.
• 16:36
  The client offered me to run his car, and I did, and I broke a record, and
• 16:40
  I hadn't raced in 30 some odd years.
• 16:42
  I, I've done a lot of things in my career where I've been the first
• 16:45
  one to get bloody through the wall.
• 16:47
  And so that's just kind of my mo and, and also I have a, a really good.
• 16:51
  Intuition on looking at things and what things are capable of being and
• 16:56
  what they are already tying it in.
• 16:59
  Also, with the business side of what I do in racing and in motor sports, for
• 17:04
  me it was kind of a natural transition.
• 17:06
  There's a lot of things that I've been trying to work on in the racing community
• 17:10
  and the car enthusiast community, but one in particular is, is keeping racing alive.
• 17:15
  Amen.
• 17:16
  Our beloved racing is in trouble.
• 17:18
  Our car culture's in trouble.
• 17:20
  Our love with cars and our passion and our history with cars is in trouble.
• 17:25
  That honestly was the biggest driver is ran against the wall, not walls
• 17:31
  that were supposed to be there, but that were put in front of me just
• 17:34
  'cause I'm a female in, in a sport.
• 17:36
  But kind of looked at this also as a way to be able to break some more barriers.
• 17:42
  For a lot of people, including myself, but it's not the woman
• 17:45
  thing I'm, that's not my platform.
• 17:47
  It's not the Me Too thing, it's not anything about that.
• 17:49
  It's about the love affair that I have with cars in the racing community.
• 17:53
  First and foremost, being able to use this platform to help save it in some
• 17:58
  way, and that that really was what made me, made me pick up the phone was
• 18:02
  in some way, maybe I can use my voice in this direction when maybe it's not
• 18:06
  being listened to in other directions.
• 18:08
  So that was part of it.
• 18:09
  Part of it.
• 18:09
  That was part of it.
• 18:10
  But wait, there's more.
• 18:11
  Yeah, there's more.
• 18:12
  I have a lot of big ideas.
• 18:13
  I've been in corporate marketing for 30 years.
• 18:15
  I, I, like I said, I've been the first one bloody through the wall many times
• 18:19
  and it has always worked out for me.
• 18:21
  And that's just who I am.
• 18:23
  I lacked big challenges and I knew that this was gonna be a big challenge
• 18:26
  and it just seemed to be a natural fit for where I was outta my career.
• 18:29
  I'll say too, that tenacity and persistence are two things that
• 18:33
  made Kaia happened for so long.
• 18:36
  Just bulldogs.
• 18:37
  And that's something that when I spoke to.
• 18:39
  Ginger over many months.
• 18:41
  I learned that's who she is.
• 18:43
  And I was just talking to a longtime car listener to the other day.
• 18:46
  He actually called me and we were talking about Ginger.
• 18:48
  He actually met Ginger at an event and he said, yeah, she's,
• 18:52
  she's a bulldog like you.
• 18:54
  She just doesn't stop.
• 18:55
  And he also knows your mom and knows all about that.
• 18:59
  Yeah, Raleigh.
• 19:00
  Yeah.
• 19:00
  And you gotta have that to do any kind of business.
• 19:03
  Go through the highs and lows, of course.
• 19:04
  But that was something that many of the people that wanted to do this, I
• 19:08
  could just tell they didn't have that.
• 19:09
  You gotta commit to this.
• 19:11
  As I said, it's a treadmill.
• 19:12
  You can't be successful in podcasting and let time lapse, because listeners
• 19:17
  nowadays, especially when I started this, there were only three car
• 19:20
  podcasters, just three NPR, which was the old Click and clack show.
• 19:24
  Adam Corolla had a show car cast, you know, and he's still famous and doing
• 19:28
  all sorts of stuff, and I forget what the other one was, but Caria was the next one.
• 19:33
  Now there's.
• 19:34
  Everybody has a podcast.
• 19:35
  Us too.
• 19:35
  Look
• 19:36
  at that.
• 19:37
  Well, it, it was interesting over time because more and more people would come to
• 19:40
  me and say, Hey, I wanna start a podcast.
• 19:42
  I get a lot of it now, three emails this morning, Hey, I wanna start a podcast.
• 19:46
  Can I talk to you?
• 19:47
  And I, I finally started saying, I'll do some consulting.
• 19:50
  Here's my hourly fee.
• 19:51
  Yeah.
• 19:51
  Call me if you're interested because otherwise you can't just
• 19:54
  spend 30 minutes and explain this.
• 19:56
  No, it's way too complicated.
• 19:58
  There's too many aspects of it.
• 20:00
  So I usually give a polite response and just say, no, I'm not interested.
• 20:04
  I'm not doing consulting right now.
• 20:05
  When I am, I'll contact you.
• 20:07
  Yeah.
• 20:07
  Mark's right.
• 20:08
  I mean, you gotta have tenacity and you've gotta be a bulldog.
• 20:11
  And yeah, I talked about with Mark when he first talked to me about the art of no,
• 20:16
  learning how to use that in an effective way, not taking no for an answer.
• 20:21
  That just means maybe another way or another time.
• 20:24
  But also I spent a lot of time doing a lot of research.
• 20:29
  I do a lot of research before I go into anything generally if
• 20:33
  I can't, you know, so I really researched it from all directions.
• 20:37
  Okay, well, you know, how would you do this marketing wise?
• 20:39
  How would you do this guest wise?
• 20:41
  You know, do I know enough people?
• 20:43
  Am I far enough in the industry that I could carry this?
• 20:45
  You know, who could I rely on the editing?
• 20:48
  You know, all these different ideas, the website, I mean, there's just layers
• 20:50
  and layers and layers and layers and layers that people don't understand.
• 20:53
  And then, you know, also understanding the business of it, of how making
• 20:56
  successful and doing the research of, okay, how do you sell a podcast?
• 20:59
  How do you buy a podcast?
• 21:00
  How do you make it have value?
• 21:02
  Gosh, there's so much that went into it.
• 21:04
  It wasn't just a couple of phone calls.
• 21:06
  We literally talked back and forth for seven, eight months and, and quite
• 21:09
  frankly, I mean, there was a couple times, I mean, mark had to really
• 21:12
  say, okay, you know, you can do this.
• 21:13
  Yeah, I get to the point that I was getting a little bit
• 21:15
  discouraged and, and not even that.
• 21:17
  I think more so that.
• 21:18
  I was having that little bit of internal doubt of fear, but fear to me
• 21:23
  is just something that you just have to walk around and say, you know what?
• 21:27
  Get behind me.
• 21:27
  'cause it's, I'm gonna lead.
• 21:29
  But when it finally came down to it, and you know, I was just like, like
• 21:31
  anything else, I'm just, I'm gonna jump in and put the seatbelt on and I'm gonna
• 21:35
  stomp the loud pedal and here we go.
• 21:36
  There were a lot of great questions and some of the people that I talked to before
• 21:40
  that were interested, they wouldn't ask me any of the pertinent, important questions.
• 21:44
  It was just all, you know, little things like little things.
• 21:46
  How do you get somebody to guess?
• 21:47
  Yeah.
• 21:48
  Okay.
• 21:48
  Well, there's uh, many ways to do that.
• 21:50
  And, and at some points, ginger and my wife will, I'd say, I don't know if this
• 21:54
  lady's gonna ever get in the car and drive because it's just dragging on.
• 21:58
  Come on.
• 21:58
  But I could sense that with Ginger.
• 22:00
  And we became friends over the phone.
• 22:01
  We've never met in person, which is kind of silly, but she's quite a ways away.
• 22:05
  North Carolina, I'm up here in the Pacific Northwest so many times when
• 22:09
  she would drift off a little bit and I could sense, what's worrying you today?
• 22:12
  What, what do you think you can't do?
• 22:14
  And she would say something.
• 22:15
  I said, okay, well here's how you do that.
• 22:16
  Because I had answers for everything.
• 22:18
  'cause I've, I've done it.
• 22:19
  Yeah.
• 22:19
  There's very, and there's things that, she has strengths that are far
• 22:23
  exceeding me because of her marketing.
• 22:24
  I mean, she just did an awesome, huge deal.
• 22:27
  She had some strengths there that I didn't have the technical side and
• 22:31
  she'll self acclaim is the weakest part.
• 22:33
  But she's got two sons that are techie guys.
• 22:36
  And I actually had my first meeting with one of them that I thought was
• 22:40
  gonna be with Ginger about how to do it.
• 22:42
  And I thought, you know, I figured if Ginger doesn't know all this,
• 22:44
  this is gonna be an all day meeting.
• 22:46
  I think after an hour and a half, her son goes, okay, we're done.
• 22:49
  I'm like, well this guy knows more about tech than I do.
• 22:51
  You know, he's a cyber tech expert and all this stuff.
• 22:53
  So I went, okay, she's got good people on her team.
• 22:55
  Because again, when I started this, I had nobody so.
• 22:58
  I had to figure out everything, build a website and how to record.
• 23:02
  And you know, there's just all these things that go wrong and can
• 23:05
  go wrong and every time they do, you just, okay, how do I do that?
• 23:09
  Thank goodness for Google and YouTube.
• 23:11
  I stay up all night long watching YouTube.
• 23:13
  So why are these wave tracks doing what they're doing?
• 23:16
  I don't under what is going on.
• 23:18
  So.
• 23:18
  There's a lot of pieces to the puzzle to use a cars Yeah.
• 23:22
  Analogy here.
• 23:23
  We have blown through first and second gear and we're tacking
• 23:25
  like 9,000 RRP M right now.
• 23:27
  So we gotta shift into the next gear.
• 23:29
  Cool.
• 23:29
  And talk a little bit more about the legacy of cars.
• 23:32
  Yeah.
• 23:32
  So, mark, as you look back over your 2,500 plus episodes of cars Yeah.
• 23:37
  Before the transition, there's some memorable moments that
• 23:40
  you've mentioned over the years.
• 23:42
  You know, some of your favorite episodes and things like that.
• 23:44
  I wanna highlight those for the listeners that are like, man, I gotta go back and
• 23:47
  check out cars yet, you know, I don't know where you've been, if you haven't
• 23:49
  listened to cars yet episode yet, and Ginger, you're still defining the next
• 23:54
  generation of cars yet is gonna be, and what those memorable moments are.
• 23:57
  So I want both of you to kind of touch on the highs of what
• 24:00
  you've experienced so far.
• 24:02
  I can tell you I've been very grateful and blessed in the fact
• 24:07
  that my very first show by myself was with my really good friend, Kat
• 24:11
  DeLorean, John DeLorean's daughter.
• 24:13
  I had thought a lot who my first guest was gonna be.
• 24:16
  And I really wanted to be able to give a platform to Kat to be able to tell
• 24:21
  her story and to clear up a lot of stuff about John DeLorean, especially
• 24:25
  with some of the documentaries and things that had just come out.
• 24:28
  So it was just really, really good timing, but be able to capture, I think one of
• 24:32
  the biggest things for me so far that's been really surprising is several of my
• 24:36
  guests, they've actually gotten emotional.
• 24:38
  And that's something that I wasn't quite prepared for.
• 24:42
  And Pat got emotional, and a good friend of mine, Danny Drynan, he was going
• 24:45
  through some stuff, you know, so I told Mark, I said, you know, that was something
• 24:49
  I wasn't prepared for when I'm recording and someone got emotional and here these
• 24:53
  are my friends, and I'm like filling all this emotion for 'em and you know,
• 24:56
  and then your voice breaks and all these other things and you get thrown off.
• 25:00
  Right?
• 25:01
  You know, I prepare, prepare, prepare.
• 25:02
  And then like it just threw me off.
• 25:04
  But in a good way, I realized that that was okay because it
• 25:07
  actually made it more authentic.
• 25:09
  And I think that's been the biggest surprises.
• 25:11
  So far other than, you know, just the stuff that we talked about
• 25:14
  that just things that happened, they're outta your control.
• 25:16
  Right?
• 25:16
  But I think that has been one of the most special moments.
• 25:20
  And every person that I've had on there, a lot of them have been
• 25:22
  my really close friends, and it's been wonderful to be able to share.
• 25:27
  I. Finally share their stories.
• 25:29
  Also, the biggest thing that I was, I, I will be honest that I, part of the things
• 25:32
  I was worried about it, you know, like I mentioned, was how are people gonna
• 25:35
  react to a woman taking over the show?
• 25:38
  And then how are they gonna react to the fact that I'm
• 25:40
  gonna have more women on there?
• 25:42
  And it's been interesting, you know, there's always the one percentage
• 25:45
  of the little bit of pushback that it's like, oh, well you've had
• 25:48
  three women in a row on the show.
• 25:50
  Well, okay, well one, it was March, it was Women's History Month,
• 25:53
  but two, do you ever hear that?
• 25:55
  And saying, okay, well they've been three men on the show in a row.
• 25:59
  You never hear that, but you hear, oh, well you've had three women on the
• 26:02
  show, so is it all gonna be about women?
• 26:03
  Well, you know, these are women in worldwide motorsport that have
• 26:07
  some incredible achievements.
• 26:08
  I think that's been the thing so far.
• 26:10
  That's been a little bit of a surprise to me on one hand, but not a surprise
• 26:14
  to me on the other, I mean, it's not anything different I haven't faced in the
• 26:17
  motorsports world or corporate world, so,
• 26:18
  so Mark, you have a lot of memorable moments.
• 26:20
  Can you pick one?
• 26:22
  No, sorry, I can't.
• 26:24
  Funny, my start was so different than Ginger's because my first
• 26:28
  show, I, I had set a definite date to start 2014, May 28th.
• 26:32
  That was a, an anniversary for me of one year after leaving
• 26:35
  Grillo's Garage, figuring out I was gonna do this and then doing it.
• 26:39
  I said, I have to have the first show.
• 26:40
  I did my website, which I'd never done before.
• 26:43
  I'd been in the design world, graphic world like Ginger,
• 26:45
  but I'd never built a website.
• 26:47
  I didn't know how to do that.
• 26:48
  I was coming up to that date.
• 26:50
  I made the crazy decision to do five shows a week and it was crazy.
• 26:53
  I mean, it was nuts.
• 26:54
  Looking back, I honestly, I've said this to Ginger, I don't know how I did it.
• 26:57
  I really don't.
• 26:58
  I mean, it was just, I guess you could ask my wife, she didn't see
• 27:01
  me for 10 years 'cause I was just in my office here doing this.
• 27:04
  But the first show was coming up in.
• 27:06
  I didn't have anybody lined up.
• 27:07
  And I had called, I knew a lot of people.
• 27:09
  I called people and people say, what's a podcast?
• 27:12
  Because again, this is 11, 12 years ago, but nobody knew what a podcast was.
• 27:14
  They go, is that like a radio show or, and I had some friends that I thought
• 27:17
  were gonna be really great, and they just said, no, I don't wanna do that.
• 27:20
  Sounds weird.
• 27:21
  I don't wanna talk about myself.
• 27:22
  And I was literally a, I think it was about five days away and I went, I
• 27:26
  wonder if this is gonna even happen.
• 27:28
  Uh, Cindy Mele, who's in the car marketing world, she reached out to me, I'd known
• 27:33
  her from long ago, and she said, Hey, this thing you're gonna do, plus I didn't
• 27:38
  have any social media presence at all.
• 27:40
  I didn't even have a Facebook page.
• 27:41
  I just wasn't into that stuff.
• 27:43
  So I had to like invent this thing.
• 27:45
  And she said, Hey, you're gonna do this podcast thing, right?
• 27:48
  And I go, yeah.
• 27:49
  And she said, well, who's gonna be your first guest?
• 27:50
  And I said, I had no idea.
• 27:52
  She goes, mark, it's like five days away.
• 27:54
  And I said, I know.
• 27:55
  I'm starting to kind of freak out.
• 27:56
  And she said, well, how about one of my clients?
• 27:59
  I said, who is it?
• 27:59
  And she goes, Rick Cole.
• 28:01
  And I said, Rick Cole, the auction guy.
• 28:02
  Now, Rick Cole was the first guy to do auctions during Car Week.
• 28:05
  When Car Week was just three days, but still he was the first guy.
• 28:08
  Now there's auctions at every single event.
• 28:10
  I went, wow, Rick Cole.
• 28:11
  Yeah, I know Rick.
• 28:12
  I hadn't thought of calling him.
• 28:13
  I don't know him that well.
• 28:15
  And so my first show literally was recorded the day before.
• 28:19
  I went live, he was at an airport ready to fly to Europe.
• 28:23
  'cause otherwise I would've lost the opportunity.
• 28:25
  So I did the show.
• 28:27
  It was horrible.
• 28:28
  I was horrible.
• 28:29
  He was fine.
• 28:29
  But he was at an airport.
• 28:31
  So every few minutes it was like flight number 73 ready for morning.
• 28:36
  And I'm like, how am I gonna edit that out?
• 28:39
  And so we did it.
• 28:40
  He's been on the show again once more later, much later on.
• 28:43
  But, but somehow it happened.
• 28:45
  Editing.
• 28:45
  I remember I learned the hard lesson with show number seven.
• 28:49
  You always make a copy because.
• 28:51
  The whole thing disappeared on me and we had to redo the show.
• 28:54
  Thank goodness.
• 28:55
  It was a friend who was very nice to me.
• 28:57
  Jonathan Ward of Icon.
• 28:59
  He said, no problem, mark, we'll do it again.
• 29:01
  Oh God.
• 29:02
  I thought for sure you just go, this obviously isn't something
• 29:04
  you should be doing, mark.
• 29:05
  'cause you don't know what you're doing when you come back to favorites.
• 29:07
  I'll say this for me, the shows that are most memorable, I don't have
• 29:12
  favorites because there's things about many, many, many, many guests
• 29:16
  that were very enlightening, fun.
• 29:18
  Unlike Ginger, I didn't do shows with hardly anybody I knew.
• 29:22
  Even my first a hundred shows where people I didn't know, they weren't close friends.
• 29:26
  So I went in cold.
• 29:27
  Every one of these things is Baptism by fire.
• 29:30
  I kind of started to like that.
• 29:32
  The, uh, grittiness of it, the scared factor of it.
• 29:35
  I don't have a problem talking to people.
• 29:37
  I'd never have.
• 29:37
  So, you know, my wife always says, when we go to events, you
• 29:39
  just start talking to people.
• 29:41
  She's more shy and she's like, I don't wanna talk to anybody.
• 29:43
  I'd rather be home reading my books.
• 29:44
  And so, I would say the ones that stood out for me are the people
• 29:48
  that shared, like Ginger said, emotional times in their life.
• 29:52
  But there was a consistency.
• 29:53
  They all learned a major lesson through a horrible thing, a catastrophe,
• 29:59
  something that happened in their life that was very challenging, and they
• 30:02
  learned that they needed to start helping people in order to be happy.
• 30:07
  I've even done some keynote talks at events over the years,
• 30:10
  and it's always the same thing.
• 30:12
  It's what I learned after 1000 conversations.
• 30:15
  What I learned after 2000 conversations, what I learned after all these shows, and
• 30:19
  that is that we are happiest as people when we find a way to help other people.
• 30:24
  And I was really excited when that started to happen.
• 30:27
  And some of the shows were very emotional.
• 30:28
  Uh, John Neas, who's a car guy that many people know, a writer and does
• 30:32
  a lot of things, he got me crying.
• 30:34
  I just stopped in the middle of the show because the story he was
• 30:37
  telling just had so much emphasis.
• 30:39
  And it was at a time when I just lost my dad and it was
• 30:41
  like all this stuff just came.
• 30:43
  And I just, he goes, mark, are you still there?
• 30:44
  I couldn't even talk.
• 30:45
  I was like, so choked up.
• 30:47
  And I go, I, I, I had to stop for a minute, you know?
• 30:50
  And he's like, what?
• 30:52
  And I go, just a minute, you know?
• 30:54
  And I just had to compose myself.
• 30:55
  Today, he wears that badge of pride.
• 30:57
  He goes, I made Mark Green cry.
• 30:59
  I'm the only one that's, but you do, you get emotional with people when
• 31:01
  they start telling your stories.
• 31:03
  I had a, a guest on the show, Barry McGuire every become friends with,
• 31:06
  I've known Barry since way back my Rios days, and his daughter, who's since
• 31:10
  passed away, but she was on the show and she shared this story about this
• 31:13
  horrible husband she had who was abusive.
• 31:15
  And she decided one day to take her own life.
• 31:18
  And she went to go do that.
• 31:19
  And thank goodness it didn't happen.
• 31:21
  And there's a long story.
• 31:22
  You have to listen to the show.
• 31:23
  It's the great thing about podcasts.
• 31:24
  You can go back and listen to all the podcast shows if
• 31:26
  you wanna hear some of me.
• 31:27
  But you know, that show I, as she was saying it, I was like, oh
• 31:30
  my gosh, what I, I had no idea.
• 31:33
  And there was many shows like that and out of that horrible situation
• 31:37
  where thank goodness she didn't get to, she didn't take her own life and.
• 31:40
  Things happen and you have to listen to the show to hear the rest of the story,
• 31:43
  as Paul Harvey says is that she learned I need to start doing things for others.
• 31:48
  This horrible part of my life is about me.
• 31:51
  I need to help others.
• 31:51
  So she started a car show, the Castle Show at the castle there in Los Angeles,
• 31:55
  helping young kids who are runaways on drugs, having trouble in their lives,
• 32:00
  terrible life with their families abused.
• 32:02
  She found ways to help them, but there's a repeat to this that goes
• 32:06
  on over and over and over again, and that's the secret that I've learned
• 32:10
  is find a way to help other people.
• 32:12
  So that was the key for me to learn that lesson.
• 32:16
  And there's some Tim Med vets who figured out how to take paraplegics,
• 32:19
  climbed them out Everest.
• 32:20
  He was about to take his own life because he was addicted to drugs
• 32:24
  after a horrible motorcycle accident.
• 32:25
  He was actually a builder of choppers.
• 32:27
  He was gonna marry Cher, and I think he found out she was a little woo woo woo.
• 32:31
  So, uh, she, he decided not to.
• 32:33
  At any rate, that's how I answer that question.
• 32:35
  I can't just pick one.
• 32:37
  And there's ginger mentions women.
• 32:38
  I, I think I had close to 450 women on the show before Ginger came on, and she was
• 32:42
  a guest on the show before she took over.
• 32:44
  And so having women on the show was always fun for me and different,
• 32:49
  I think the youngest guest I had was a 12-year-old racer.
• 32:51
  Ginger just did a show with a 17-year-old racer, a young woman
• 32:55
  who's coming up through the ranks.
• 32:56
  And then Ginger will have to get to her old guy or old woman show
• 33:00
  because I think the oldest guy who was ever on my show was Ed Arian Isky,
• 33:05
  right before he turned a hundred.
• 33:07
  And then famous people.
• 33:08
  And Ginger's already had some famous people 'cause she knows
• 33:10
  more famous people than I do.
• 33:12
  But you know, as you guys know, for me, my white whale was Jay Leno.
• 33:15
  And I always said, I can't stop doing cars yet until I get Jay Leno.
• 33:18
  And he was very hard Yes.
• 33:20
  To get.
• 33:20
  He's just so busy.
• 33:21
  You know, he's just, but you did it, that was the crescendo, right?
• 33:24
  And then you kept going.
• 33:25
  Well, and it was the Christmas morning show and I, I seriously thought about.
• 33:29
  Just ending it at Christmas.
• 33:30
  It was the end of the year and I thought, okay, I've done it.
• 33:32
  Yeah, I mean there's a couple others that I really, sir Sterling Moss,
• 33:36
  I had him lined up many times and he had to cancel 'cause he was ill.
• 33:38
  And the last time he canceled his wife, lady Susie called me
• 33:41
  and said, he just can't do this.
• 33:43
  He's not well.
• 33:43
  And he just will come across as not healthy and not sharp minded
• 33:47
  and that would just not be a good show for him or for you.
• 33:51
  A month later he passed away.
• 33:52
  Same with Dan Gurney.
• 33:54
  Had him lined up many times, had to cancel.
• 33:56
  And then the last time I had him lined up, his assistant called,
• 33:58
  said he's just not doing well.
• 34:00
  And he passed away soon after that.
• 34:02
  So, you know, those are two that I really wanted to have.
• 34:04
  They were like childhood stars of mine, you know, that you kind of
• 34:07
  think about, there's a few others that I wish, but Ginger will get 'em.
• 34:10
  Yeah.
• 34:11
  Well, luckily I already got to meet Jay Leno a couple years ago.
• 34:14
  He came out to a land speed event that was doing at Spaceport in New Mexico,
• 34:18
  and he came out and filmed with us out there, and that was really cool.
• 34:21
  So I got to have my Jay Leno moment on that.
• 34:23
  But there's some more people that I definitely on have on my list that
• 34:26
  I would like to get on the show, and hopefully that'll be soon.
• 34:29
  Some spoilers there.
• 34:30
  Ginger, can you,
• 34:31
  uh, let's see.
• 34:33
  I can potentially say it had to do with the big deal.
• 34:36
  I just did.
• 34:36
  Yeah.
• 34:37
  Maybe you should ask her about this deal.
• 34:39
  This is a huge deal and it might bring a very unique guest to cars.
• 34:44
  Yeah, right.
• 34:45
  Ginger,
• 34:45
  absolutely unique.
• 34:46
  And I, I've had a, a unique guest on already that people wouldn't
• 34:49
  expect on Boston be a man who's a celebrity influencer that does
• 34:53
  satire about men being a man.
• 34:55
  But this one would be.
• 34:57
  Off the chain.
• 34:58
  So looking forward to it.
• 35:00
  Can you say who that might be?
• 35:02
  Can't yet.
• 35:03
  Not yet.
• 35:04
  Okay.
• 35:04
  I will.
• 35:05
  I know who it is, so Yeah.
• 35:06
  Yeah.
• 35:06
  I'm not gonna give it away, but
• 35:08
  I, I can talk about the deal, but I can't do that yet.
• 35:11
  Real, real quick, you know, because Eric, you didn't touch on it.
• 35:14
  Mark, I'm a little disappointed you didn't talk about your best
• 35:16
  looking guest, and we all know.
• 35:18
  Here we go.
• 35:19
  Right here.
• 35:19
  That was me.
• 35:20
  The Don.
• 35:21
  The
• 35:21
  Don, that's right.
• 35:22
  Yeah.
• 35:22
  We're not talking about the president.
• 35:23
  We're talking about Don Weiberg.
• 35:26
  So.
• 35:26
  Oh God, the day he looks better than me, just, you know, just forget about it.
• 35:32
  Yeah, forget about it.
• 35:33
  Forget
• 35:33
  about it.
• 35:34
  But, no, for both of you though, what do you think makes a great automotive
• 35:37
  podcast, and how has Haria managed to keep listeners engaged for all these years?
• 35:43
  Is it the guests?
• 35:44
  Is it the comradery?
• 35:45
  Is it the stories?
• 35:47
  Is it just good looking people?
• 35:48
  What is it?
• 35:48
  Well,
• 35:49
  it's a podcast so nobody sees you.
• 35:50
  So sorry.
• 35:53
  Whatever.
• 35:55
  Woo.
• 35:56
  Way to played him.
• 35:57
  Yeah.
• 35:57
  Do you wanna go for this first, ginger, or you wanna
• 36:00
  Oh, it is absolutely.
• 36:01
  The stories for me, the best thing about the racing community or about
• 36:05
  the car community is the stories.
• 36:07
  When you sit around and you share the stories and you listen,
• 36:10
  talked about this a little bit.
• 36:11
  When Mark did my interview, when I moved out to Mooresville.
• 36:15
  And went into Big Daddy's restaurant and I'm sitting there and in walks,
• 36:19
  Bobby Allison, and he's sitting down next to me at the next table
• 36:23
  with other legendary racers.
• 36:25
  But just listening to the stories and being in NASCAR and being around the
• 36:29
  racing community, I think that that is the biggest thing that I've absolutely
• 36:33
  love is I get set for hours, I get set for days just listening to the stories.
• 36:38
  And I think that that is really what makes a podcast successful.
• 36:44
  And that's what I really liked about Marx, and I love the stories.
• 36:46
  I think that's the number one key.
• 36:48
  I would agree.
• 36:49
  The thing about podcasting is interesting is I, I have a format
• 36:52
  and listeners know that I ask the same questions again and again.
• 36:56
  And some people that I've talked to said, well, you asked the same
• 36:59
  questions over and over again.
• 37:00
  I said, but the answers are never the same.
• 37:02
  Now, they might be in some ways, like who is the person that really inspired you?
• 37:05
  Well, my parents.
• 37:05
  But why?
• 37:06
  When I had Jay Leno on, I didn't stick to a script with him.
• 37:09
  I just let him go because the idea was a Christmas morning show.
• 37:13
  So I did devise a few questions for him, but even he.
• 37:16
  Drifted into the same thing.
• 37:18
  He told a wonderful story that I'd never heard, and you'd think
• 37:21
  you've heard all of his stories about his parents and his first car.
• 37:24
  And it was this crummy jalopy that had broken windows and he drove it
• 37:28
  to school and it started raining.
• 37:29
  And he was sitting in class looking out the window and rain was going
• 37:32
  into his new car, his new old car, and his dad and mom got in the car,
• 37:36
  drove over and put a tarp over the car.
• 37:39
  While he was sitting in class.
• 37:40
  Now what a heartwarming story, even though it was this crummy
• 37:43
  old car with broken windows.
• 37:45
  But I thought, I've never heard that story.
• 37:47
  And after the show we chatted a little bit and I said, I've never heard that.
• 37:51
  And he goes, I don't think I've ever shared that with anybody before,
• 37:53
  because I got him to reminisce.
• 37:55
  Because the idea of the Christmas show was Christmas morning.
• 37:58
  What were the cars that you got?
• 38:00
  What did you wish you could get every Christmas?
• 38:02
  My birthday's right after Christmas, so I get all the leftover
• 38:05
  Christmas gifts nobody wants.
• 38:06
  They repurposed them.
• 38:07
  And every birthday I, my mom would say, what do you want?
• 38:10
  And I'd say A Porsche, you know, my parents would laugh
• 38:11
  like, you're gonna get that.
• 38:12
  And one year my mom baked a cake that looked like a Porsche.
• 38:16
  She goes, now you have your cake and you can eat it too.
• 38:18
  You have your Porsche.
• 38:18
  You can eat it too.
• 38:19
  But those kinds of memories that people share when they
• 38:22
  get into their personal lives.
• 38:24
  And if you can make them feel at ease, and that's.
• 38:27
  The key with podcasting.
• 38:29
  When the person called me for almost every one of my shows,
• 38:32
  I had never spoken to them.
• 38:34
  A lot of people say, well, could we have a phone call first?
• 38:36
  And I'm like, I don't wanna do that.
• 38:37
  Number one, when you're doing five shows a week, you don't have the time.
• 38:40
  But number two, it takes away the spontaneity and then it's
• 38:45
  like what actors have to do.
• 38:47
  I did it my own TV show for a year.
• 38:49
  I decided I'm not gonna script this because I don't remember lines that well.
• 38:54
  I would rather just ask the person to tell stories.
• 38:56
  So that to me was the most exciting part, not knowing where we were gonna go.
• 39:01
  And if somebody started to drift off course, I just let 'em go and
• 39:05
  you never know where they went.
• 39:06
  Sometimes they went to weird places and you had to kind of pull the, you know.
• 39:10
  Get 'em back in the boat.
• 39:11
  Yeah, it's the stories of the fun part.
• 39:13
  You can tell with people, and I had some guests that didn't do it.
• 39:15
  They were either very corporate or very tightly wound or very nervous.
• 39:19
  That was another big problem.
• 39:20
  A lot of people really nervous.
• 39:21
  And so I would spend time before I hit the record button, talking to them, making
• 39:26
  sure, look, I'm not gonna trick you.
• 39:27
  I'm not Barbara Walters.
• 39:28
  I'm not gonna trick you with some question and bring up an
• 39:31
  illegitimate child you had back when you were in college or something.
• 39:34
  This is gonna be about cars.
• 39:36
  We're gonna not gonna talk politics, and if you wanna get into religion, that's
• 39:39
  fine with me, but this is about your passion, your love for cars, and that
• 39:44
  mantra that Ginger's picking up and caring forward inspiring automotive enthusiasts.
• 39:49
  It goes back to that question you asked about the why.
• 39:51
  When you asked Ginger about the why, that was really important to me
• 39:54
  in developing and it's really fun.
• 39:56
  And sometimes I would get off shows and I'd go, wow, that was cool.
• 40:00
  Or I'd get off a show and go, I would like to go work with that guy
• 40:03
  or that woman, or, I had no idea we were gonna go down that path.
• 40:06
  This is very interesting.
• 40:08
  Yeah, it's, it's like a blind date a little bit, I guess.
• 40:11
  Been so long, so, you know, I've been married 40 years, so I can't tell you
• 40:14
  what those are like, but, uh, you, you don't know what's gonna happen
• 40:17
  and there's some excitement to that if you're the kind of person that likes
• 40:20
  that and I am, it makes it a lot more fun as long as you can get that ease.
• 40:24
  And, and you know, Ginger's got that southern style to her.
• 40:28
  I've teased her a little bit about she, she says she has this accent
• 40:31
  and every once in a while I hear a word come out here and there
• 40:34
  that she's, uh, fought that off.
• 40:35
  But that southern comfort, southern style friendship comes through, which is
• 40:40
  helpful for the guest, which is the most important thing with the guests at ease.
• 40:44
  'cause we've all watched interviews, especially with celebrities.
• 40:46
  Yeah.
• 40:46
  And I will say celebrities to the most challenging.
• 40:48
  And in fact, I even had a, I'm not gonna mention his name, but I have big
• 40:51
  time celebrity planned and his agent called the day of the show and said,
• 40:55
  uh, he is not interested doing the show.
• 40:56
  Your questions are too different for him.
• 40:59
  Like, what do you mean?
• 40:59
  Well, he is used to answering the same questions from everybody.
• 41:02
  Well, wouldn't that be more interesting?
• 41:03
  Uh, he is not, not interested in that.
• 41:05
  It's too scary for him 'cause he is got a script in his mind
• 41:08
  and this is a big name person.
• 41:10
  So that was a really disappointing day.
• 41:12
  I was all fired up to get him.
• 41:13
  But I think for the most part, and I think people have found this with Ginger
• 41:17
  in editing or shows and listening to her, she has a way to put people at
• 41:20
  ease and make them feel comfortable.
• 41:21
  Mark said it best.
• 41:23
  I can say this about the first show that I did with Cat DeLorean.
• 41:26
  There was.
• 41:27
  Some truth bombs that she released on there that I had no idea was
• 41:31
  coming that she literally had just learned about her mother and father.
• 41:35
  Oh yeah.
• 41:35
  That one on.
• 41:36
  'cause you did a two part show.
• 41:38
  Yes.
• 41:38
  I still talk to people about that.
• 41:40
  Do you know John DeLorean that this Yeah.
• 41:43
  You gotta listen to that show.
• 41:44
  Yeah, you do.
• 41:45
  Mark and I both, we were blown away and it was really interesting.
• 41:48
  I mean, you know, all this stuff that's out there about Jalon, DeLorean,
• 41:51
  and documentaries and the books and all this, that, and the other.
• 41:54
  Then she had just learned this part of history about him and
• 41:57
  her mother that she had no idea.
• 42:00
  And I mean, it was a huge truth bomb.
• 42:04
  And it was great.
• 42:05
  I mean, it was great.
• 42:07
  Look at Don Smile.
• 42:08
  He's a big DeLorean guy, so, uh,
• 42:10
  I don't know what you're talking of.
• 42:11
  I don't,
• 42:12
  yeah, right, right.
• 42:13
  No clue.
• 42:14
  Not one in my garage.
• 42:15
  No.
• 42:15
  There you go, Eric.
• 42:16
  There's that character.
• 42:17
  It always comes out,
• 42:19
  you know, ginger, you talk of accent.
• 42:21
  People tell me all time you have accent.
• 42:24
  I don't know what they're saying.
• 42:25
  Let me talk about that.
• 42:26
  'cause actually a store behind that, I actually really do have
• 42:29
  a very thick southern accent when I'm around my people, so to speak.
• 42:33
  When I was,
• 42:36
  but when I was, when I started out in corporate advertising,
• 42:39
  I was in my early twenties.
• 42:40
  And I'm going in front of boardrooms full of, you know, middle-aged men
• 42:44
  as a 22-year-old blonde, you know, five foot nothing pitching deals.
• 42:48
  You know, my boss, he said, you know, this is nothing against you.
• 42:50
  He said, but your accent makes it difficult to take you serious because
• 42:55
  you're just a southern belle, right?
• 42:56
  So he said, you need to talk more like a Yankee.
• 43:00
  Okay, well, I'm trained in singing growing up, so I understood what he meant.
• 43:03
  I worked on to where I lowered my voice, I talked slower, I
• 43:08
  got rid of most of the accent.
• 43:10
  Now there's some words that will come out that I just can't help
• 43:12
  because it's just difficult to say.
• 43:14
  I had to actually learn that to do it this way, and now it's just
• 43:18
  muscle memory to be able to, to get taken seriously in business.
• 43:21
  But like I said, when I'm around people I'm comfortable with, or it's my people,
• 43:25
  or I'm around my southern folk, so to speak, then the southern accent's right
• 43:28
  there, you know, it's still there, but it's so muscle memory now after 30 some
• 43:32
  odd years of having to speak more, that I could be taken seriously in business.
• 43:36
  Every once in a while when we were talking, she'd say something.
• 43:39
  I'd go, what?
• 43:40
  Yeah, what'd you say?
• 43:42
  And she'd, oh, oh, okay.
• 43:44
  Start
• 43:44
  the
• 43:44
  show.
• 43:45
  How y'all doing?
• 43:46
  Yeah.
• 43:46
  Yeah.
• 43:47
  Well, it's like the word heal.
• 43:49
  Okay.
• 43:49
  It's, for me, it's heal.
• 43:51
  Okay.
• 43:51
  HILL or HEEL.
• 43:53
  It's heal.
• 43:54
  Okay.
• 43:55
  It's healed.
• 43:55
  You know.
• 43:56
  Or Mooresville.
• 43:57
  Or Statesville or Louisville.
• 43:59
  It's not Mooresville.
• 44:00
  It's uh, yeah,
• 44:01
  rave it up and welcome to car.
• 44:03
  Yeah,
• 44:03
  rave it up and welcome to car.
• 44:06
  It sneaks out once in a while.
• 44:07
  Like I said, any, in any business situation, it's generally just
• 44:10
  that muscle memory comes in from having to do it so long differently.
• 44:14
  Accent aside, you've got a kind of a big role ahead of you.
• 44:18
  You're stepping into.
• 44:19
  A new old show.
• 44:21
  What excites you about the opportunity most, you've kind of touched on a
• 44:24
  few things, but what most excites you about this and how do you plan
• 44:28
  to really make the show your own?
• 44:30
  First of all, I'm gonna be updating the website, revamping and, you know, 2.0.
• 44:34
  Because you, you have to evolve.
• 44:36
  And so I'm gonna be doing a lot of things with that as well.
• 44:39
  And to where there's gonna be storytelling section and you know, some, and then
• 44:43
  highlighting a couple of different things.
• 44:44
  I can't tell everything yet, but I've been working on potentially some co-hosts at
• 44:50
  some point and I have a lot of ideas that are on the table that, again, I don't want
• 44:56
  to be premature on announcing 'cause I'm still working through the logistics of it.
• 45:02
  And again, I spent a lot of time researching and thinking about
• 45:05
  what I want to do with this show.
• 45:07
  The biggest thing is I want to make sure to keep the listeners that Mark
• 45:12
  built, I want to make sure to maintain that culture as the foundation and, you
• 45:17
  know, the car enthusiast and the car collector and, and I mean all the things
• 45:21
  that Mark built, what I think I bring to the table that's going to extend it is.
• 45:26
  The broad aspect of motorsport from every genre, right?
• 45:30
  Whether it's NHRE or NASCAR or it's off-road or dirt racing.
• 45:36
  There's so many different aspects of motor sports.
• 45:38
  People understand.
• 45:39
  I think most people that are outside of Motorsport in the in the
• 45:42
  car community don't understand in globally how actually a tight knit
• 45:47
  community it really, really is.
• 45:49
  And so my biggest goal is to bring people that are not in that
• 45:53
  community and never, especially youth that have never been educated.
• 45:57
  Or introduced to the car world to introduce them to that and to bring new
• 46:03
  people in that maybe know who I am or I'm familiar with or don't know who I am,
• 46:08
  but maybe I have a different voice than Mark does that will bring it to them in
• 46:12
  a little bit of a different storytelling aspect or from a different aspect that
• 46:15
  will actually make them interested.
• 46:17
  Like I, I stated the first of the show.
• 46:19
  It's important for all of us.
• 46:20
  This is our love.
• 46:22
  This was our passion.
• 46:23
  We have to figure out a way to keep it alive and to keep the history alive
• 46:27
  and, and to keep motorsports alive no matter what the technology is.
• 46:31
  Those are the things that I think are the, that I'm focused more
• 46:34
  so on, on building on further,
• 46:37
  you want to bring in more youth, is that what you said?
• 46:40
  Yes.
• 46:40
  For instance, uh, the young lady that her show will be airing, there's a lot
• 46:44
  out there that don't have a platform or a voice and they don't get interviewed
• 46:48
  because they're young and up and coming.
• 46:49
  And I want to be able to give a voice to some of those up and coming youth that are
• 46:54
  actually taking interest in the car world or actually trying to make it up in racing
• 46:58
  or actually trying to climb the ladder.
• 46:59
  And, you know, she's not experienced at speaking and it's a short show,
• 47:03
  but I wanted to give her an experience that she needed just to be able to
• 47:08
  not only survive, but to actually try to be able to take the next
• 47:12
  step in Motorsport in her career.
• 47:14
  Most of the youth don't get that.
• 47:16
  Actually, most of the adults or even professionals are, are running every week.
• 47:20
  Don't even get that opportunity.
• 47:21
  But my big thing is being able to bring youth in a more diverse playbook.
• 47:27
  As far as a larger community at hand,
• 47:29
  how are you outreaching to the youth of America or the young people of America?
• 47:34
  What is your game plan?
• 47:36
  Or if you can even go into that?
• 47:38
  Oh, absolutely.
• 47:39
  Oh, no, no, no.
• 47:39
  So what is the game plan?
• 47:40
  How are we gonna engage with more youth?
• 47:43
  I mean, here's the thing.
• 47:44
  I come from a very tiny, tiny, small farm town in South Missouri from the Ozarks.
• 47:50
  Where I grew up, at the time, women and children would be seen and not heard.
• 47:53
  Okay.
• 47:54
  I mean, girls weren't allowed, women weren't allowed even in the track, the
• 47:57
  pit area, let alone you didn't race a car.
• 48:00
  I mean, that was just unheard of.
• 48:01
  And so, I mean, I was the only girl in town.
• 48:03
  I was sneaking the car outta the garage at 12 years old, in the middle of the
• 48:06
  night going and racing with the guys.
• 48:08
  But I never saw myself ever being able to be in the race community
• 48:12
  or, or even be around it because it was not made available to me.
• 48:16
  And it was shown to me that this is not for girls or women.
• 48:21
  This is not for you.
• 48:22
  This is not feasible.
• 48:23
  This is, you know, nothing.
• 48:23
  I, I had no way, no intention of even knowing that I could
• 48:28
  do this later on in life.
• 48:29
  And it did take place later on in life.
• 48:31
  And so I take that and every youth, I try to take as many as I can to erase.
• 48:36
  I talk to 'em about racing.
• 48:38
  I tell them what I do, especially girls, but I want them to understand
• 48:42
  that it's not about just getting into a car and being able to race a car.
• 48:45
  It's about being an engineer.
• 48:47
  It's about mechanics, it's about mathematics.
• 48:49
  It's about all these other things that people don't understand
• 48:53
  that are involved in racing.
• 48:53
  Even the marketing side or, or the business side.
• 48:56
  I just start talking to them.
• 48:57
  I bring them to races or I take 'em to car shows.
• 49:01
  I've worked with a, a lot of youth in my career and in my personal life.
• 49:06
  I've had the opportunity to help care for a lot of kids, especially troubled kids.
• 49:10
  One of the things that I introduced them to was racing and showing them that this
• 49:16
  seems beyond your reach, but it's not actually giving them introduction to
• 49:20
  something that they were not familiar with, and you would be amazed how
• 49:24
  much the experience gave them on being able to just look and see that there's
• 49:28
  a whole different world out there that they had never even thought of.
• 49:31
  Also being able to talk about the history.
• 49:33
  The history.
• 49:33
  The history.
• 49:34
  The history.
• 49:35
  We have to talk about the history.
• 49:36
  I I do it all the time.
• 49:37
  All the time.
• 49:38
  Anybody I meet,
• 49:39
  where are you meeting these people?
• 49:40
  How are you getting yourself in front of the Youth of America?
• 49:44
  Okay, well, so I'll give you an example.
• 49:46
  One of my sons, he was a all-star competitive cheerleader.
• 49:51
  Now, most people will not understand what that is, but it's not like
• 49:54
  what you see In high school.
• 49:56
  He made the equivalent of a Junior Olympic team.
• 49:58
  He made a world's team.
• 49:59
  He competed against 800 other teams from around the world.
• 50:02
  And we traveled eight months out of the year to these competitions.
• 50:06
  And I would talk to these kids about racing or tell 'em about a race
• 50:10
  that I went to, or I invited them.
• 50:12
  I have been a foster mom to kids that were hurt in war torn areas of Afghanistan.
• 50:19
  And I brought kids from Afghanistan over and took care of them
• 50:22
  and gave them medical care.
• 50:24
  Guess what I did?
• 50:25
  I took 'em to a race.
• 50:26
  I took them to a race and exposed them to things that they had never seen before.
• 50:31
  I never even heard of, you know, let alone they come over and they see the
• 50:34
  grass on the ground or swimming pool or things that they had never, you know,
• 50:38
  did in their life, but to take 'em to a race and they went back to Afghanistan
• 50:42
  with these stories and these pictures about things that they could tell Other
• 50:46
  people have traveled in Europe and I've talked to, to kids there, or kids
• 50:50
  that, that were friends of my son's.
• 50:52
  You know, when they would come over, I'd take 'em to a race.
• 50:54
  That's how you do it.
• 50:55
  I mean it, it sounds very simplistic, but that's how you do it
• 50:58
  Sounds like it's just major networking.
• 51:00
  Yes.
• 51:01
  Working within, yeah.
• 51:02
  The community, you know, or the community you're exposed to.
• 51:05
  Yeah.
• 51:06
  And kind of making it your own.
• 51:07
  Yes, absolutely.
• 51:08
  Well, what's interesting is you can set and you can watch these kids listen
• 51:12
  to, you know, their dad talk about it, but it's interesting when they hear a
• 51:16
  woman because they look at you and like, really, I'll just give you an example.
• 51:20
  I interviewed a young gentleman today for a job and was talking to him and you
• 51:24
  know, I told him a little bit about me and I said, you know, I've been in racing.
• 51:27
  And he's like really racing even.
• 51:29
  Wow.
• 51:30
  I would've never thought about that for you.
• 51:32
  I've never expected that.
• 51:33
  I get that over and over and over again, especially when I talk to young males.
• 51:37
  They're like, really?
• 51:39
  Wow, I didn't know women could do that.
• 51:40
  No, I'm serious.
• 51:41
  I mean, that's a reaction.
• 51:42
  It just like, oh, you don't look like the type of person that would do these things.
• 51:45
  And that has actually been the greatest part about it is, and that's what
• 51:50
  I've learned, is talk to more males.
• 51:52
  Talk to more youth.
• 51:53
  You know, youth and females, but the same thing.
• 51:55
  I've got little girls.
• 51:56
  I own another business that, that come into the business and these little three
• 51:59
  or four or 5-year-old girls, you and I'll be talking to 'em or their mom or
• 52:03
  whatever, and I'll always mention racing in some way, or a car or whatever.
• 52:07
  They just look at you like really?
• 52:08
  Even that young, really.
• 52:10
  There's not one time so far that I've run into that.
• 52:13
  It hasn't been a Wow.
• 52:14
  That's interesting.
• 52:15
  And that's the way you have to do it.
• 52:17
  You gotta talk to these kids like it's something that they should
• 52:19
  know, but they don't, other than what they've seen on the cars movie.
• 52:22
  Don, did I answer your question to your satisfaction?
• 52:24
  You did.
• 52:25
  Oh, believe me, I could keep going.
• 52:26
  I think you and I could go back and forth.
• 52:28
  Probably Banta, that's what they call it back east.
• 52:30
  They call it Banta.
• 52:31
  You know, Banta
• 52:32
  Banta.
• 52:33
  Well, switching into top gear as we round out the last segment of
• 52:36
  the show here we turn back to Mark.
• 52:38
  We really wanna talk about podcasting again at its core, because that's
• 52:42
  what we started off talking about.
• 52:43
  And so stepping away from the hosting chair, stepping away from the microphone,
• 52:47
  you're still in the editing room, you're making sure things do hit the
• 52:50
  cutting room floor in some cases.
• 52:52
  Because I've heard you speak to other podcasters before.
• 52:54
  You've been a mentor to me as well.
• 52:56
  You've helped a lot of people along the way.
• 52:58
  But what advice did you give to Ginger as she took on this new role?
• 53:02
  I would say maybe one of the first things was be yourself.
• 53:05
  Don't try to copy me.
• 53:06
  Don't try to copy somebody else.
• 53:07
  Don't try to be somebody else.
• 53:09
  I was given that advice when I started this by a, a very,
• 53:13
  very successful podcaster.
• 53:15
  John Lee Dumas, who does Entrepreneurs on Fire, I mean, super successful
• 53:19
  guy, and I was able to actually get him on the phone for a little bit.
• 53:22
  That was one of the things he said, just be yourself, be
• 53:25
  enthusiastic about what you do.
• 53:26
  She's enthusiastic about cars.
• 53:28
  So that was pretty easy.
• 53:29
  I, I, I think that was probably the main thing, and just being
• 53:32
  encouraging, saying, you can do this, and I've got all the tools.
• 53:35
  Here's the toolbox.
• 53:36
  Open it and use them.
• 53:37
  Because I've created this whole system of procedures.
• 53:40
  And the other thing I asked the why question.
• 53:42
  Why do you wanna do this?
• 53:44
  Because that exposed what the many of the people that were interested in taking over
• 53:48
  the show, that's where things crumbled.
• 53:50
  They didn't even know their why.
• 53:51
  I always tell people, if you're gonna do anything in life.
• 53:54
  You need to ask yourself why.
• 53:56
  And I always say, go and listen to Simon Sinek.
• 53:58
  He does a YouTube, uh, Ted talk about why, and he explains the importance of whys.
• 54:03
  I just deal with a guy yesterday he contacted me.
• 54:06
  He has a podcast, but he's kind of new at, it's not really going anywhere.
• 54:09
  And he wanted to bend my ear again, would've been a eight hour bend.
• 54:13
  So I just sent him this question and I said, you need
• 54:16
  to define why you're doing this.
• 54:19
  This will answer all the other questions you can't figure out yet.
• 54:22
  And you need to write it down.
• 54:24
  Write it down in detail your why.
• 54:27
  From that, you'll be able to define your mantra, your slogan, like the Nike slogan.
• 54:33
  Just do it.
• 54:34
  Mine.
• 54:34
  I mentioned, uh, and all the listeners who've listened to cars.
• 54:37
  Yeah, inspiring automotive enthusiasts.
• 54:39
  That became my why.
• 54:41
  I remember when I started this, there weren't many podcasts out there, and I had
• 54:44
  so many people, why are you doing this?
• 54:47
  Why don't you go run another company?
• 54:48
  I'd been running GRE's Garage and you know, had all these employees
• 54:51
  and all those things and I said, well, I wanna do something for
• 54:54
  myself, not for somebody else.
• 54:56
  Even though I was part owner at Grios and I had a joke, I said, my next job
• 55:00
  will have no employees and no commuting.
• 55:02
  So I got that operate from my home here.
• 55:04
  I didn't have to go anywhere.
• 55:05
  I didn't have to deal with anybody, although I had a lot of employees.
• 55:09
  'cause all my guests were.
• 55:10
  Like employees.
• 55:11
  So I kind of got that back, but that's okay because when you're done with a
• 55:14
  podcast, you fire 'em and they go away and you don't have to talk to 'em again.
• 55:16
  It's one way to look at it.
• 55:17
  Yeah.
• 55:18
  Kind of the way it is.
• 55:19
  So I, I wanted to inspire automotive enthusiast, and it
• 55:23
  goes back to the, the second thing I said is, define your avatar.
• 55:27
  Define very clearly.
• 55:29
  Write it down.
• 55:29
  I've got a three page writeup at the beginning of this journey for me on my
• 55:34
  avatar, and that is, who is your listener?
• 55:36
  What does his or her name, are they married?
• 55:38
  What age are they?
• 55:39
  What do they do for a living?
• 55:40
  But that comes back to why do they wanna listen to you?
• 55:44
  And in my case, it goes back, my avatar was a guy named Bill.
• 55:47
  He was a very successful neurosurgeon.
• 55:49
  He loved cars.
• 55:51
  It went back to a friend of mine, I'm still friends with him.
• 55:53
  We raced vintage cars together for a dozen years.
• 55:56
  We even raced in the same class.
• 55:57
  We both raced Lotuses and Lola's and had a lot of fun.
• 56:00
  But in Bill's case, he would come over every Thursday night when I was at
• 56:04
  Rio's to Boys Night Out, and I would invite a bunch of friends over, had
• 56:07
  pizzas, and we would work on cars.
• 56:09
  I had an ulterior motive.
• 56:10
  I had new products that we were bringing to market, and I would
• 56:13
  give them to test them, and I'd kind of watch, how did that work?
• 56:16
  Do you like that?
• 56:17
  What do you not like about it?
• 56:18
  They thought they were just having fun with cars.
• 56:20
  They were all test beds for me.
• 56:21
  But Bill, one night he was there with me late.
• 56:24
  We are the only two people there.
• 56:25
  And he goes, you know, I wanna do what you do.
• 56:27
  And I said, bill, you're a freaking neurosurgeon, pediatric neurosurgeon.
• 56:32
  You operate on baby's brains, on people's spines.
• 56:34
  I mean, you save people's lives.
• 56:36
  And in his dry way, he goes, well, most of them, he's a very funny
• 56:39
  guy, but he's one of the best.
• 56:41
  He said, no, you're working in the field you love, you love cars,
• 56:45
  and you come every day and you.
• 56:46
  Work around cars.
• 56:48
  I wanna do that.
• 56:49
  So my goal when I retire is just to play in my garage around cars.
• 56:52
  It always stuck with me because I had him on this huge platform.
• 56:56
  This is a guy that saves people.
• 56:57
  I mean, the brain surgeon jokes, right?
• 56:59
  The only person smarter than a brain surgeon is a rocket scientist.
• 57:02
  Well, the brain surgeon might disagree with you there, but you know what I mean.
• 57:06
  So that defining why, and then creating that avatar gets you back to your why.
• 57:12
  And then from there you can start to figure out what you're doing.
• 57:15
  And as far as the rest of the podcasting, once you get that figured out, you'll
• 57:20
  be able to do what you wanna do.
• 57:21
  And, and in Ginger's case, when we had our many, many talks, I
• 57:24
  asked her all these questions, why?
• 57:27
  And I was excited.
• 57:28
  And you just heard her answer in a way that she wants to
• 57:30
  take this to another level.
• 57:32
  And that was my dream too, is that this would live on forever.
• 57:35
  And at some point Ginger will be doing other things and she can
• 57:38
  transfer it over to someone else.
• 57:40
  Maybe it's somebody that is working for her and her business, maybe it's
• 57:43
  somebody else who comes along and then they can make it their own.
• 57:46
  And by then, who knows, maybe we'll all be driving flying cars and it'll be fly.
• 57:50
  Yeah.
• 57:51
  I don't know.
• 57:51
  So,
• 57:52
  so Mark, earlier you talked about having that plan and that
• 57:55
  readiness and preparedness.
• 57:57
  Ginger used an analogy with cooking and it's been sticking in my mind
• 58:00
  that you have to have what they call in the cooking world, Nissan plus
• 58:03
  everything in place before you get started, because podcasting is a career.
• 58:06
  And if you read between the lines of what you were just saying, there was some
• 58:09
  advice there for the newbies that are getting into this even today, because
• 58:13
  more and more podcasts are coming online every week at a scary rate.
• 58:17
  It's one of the biggest booming industries in the modern era,
• 58:20
  unlike a lot of other things.
• 58:21
  And so.
• 58:22
  You've given sage advice many, many times over, and a lot of that
• 58:26
  surrounds perseverance and tenacity, which happened to be my middle names.
• 58:29
  But that being said, I wanna pick your brain on Sticktoitiveness the long game,
• 58:35
  because even with you transitioning to Ginger and Caria living on, it's
• 58:39
  still one of the longest running podcasts, one of the most episodes in
• 58:43
  its catalog in the industry as a whole, you know, 2,600 episodes, let's say.
• 58:48
  How do you keep going?
• 58:49
  How do you motivate yourself, and how do you give advice to people to say, get
• 58:53
  past the early milestones and set your sights on 500, a thousand, 2,500 episodes?
• 58:59
  How do you do that every morning?
• 59:00
  It goes back
• 59:01
  to why you have to ask yourself every morning that you get up and you
• 59:04
  go, I don't want to do this today.
• 59:05
  Well, why did you start it?
• 59:07
  Did something change in your life?
• 59:09
  Well, for me, I've been a car guy since I was a little kid.
• 59:12
  No, it didn't change.
• 59:13
  Now maybe it didn't move as fast as I'd liked or maybe it didn't generate
• 59:16
  as much income as I dreamed of or whatever those types of things would be.
• 59:20
  But if you go back to the why, why am I doing this now?
• 59:23
  Your why can change.
• 59:25
  Certainly the way you do it can change.
• 59:27
  The great thing about this, there's so many supportive roles Now that
• 59:31
  didn't exist when I started try to find somebody to edit a show.
• 59:34
  When I started, uh, nobody did edit a pod.
• 59:36
  What?
• 59:37
  Now there were some people, but.
• 59:38
  Not really, but now there's this giant infrastructure around podcasting
• 59:42
  businesses that support podcasting in all these different ways that
• 59:46
  I could have only dreamed of.
• 59:47
  Like, I wish I could have found a person to do that, but I
• 59:50
  had to figure it out myself.
• 59:51
  But for me, it was important to know how to do everything
• 59:54
  because there wasn't that support.
• 59:55
  Like my website now, I've worked in design and advertising forever,
• 59:59
  so I can design anything you want.
• 1:00:00
  But when I had to create a website, when it went goofy, something went
• 1:00:04
  wrong, it needs to be changed.
• 1:00:05
  I'm still very proud of what it looks like, but it's the
• 1:00:08
  old WordPress structure.
• 1:00:10
  I always say, you know, these people that do programming or uh, coding, I
• 1:00:14
  should say they're a different breed.
• 1:00:16
  Because to me it was like having to build a carburetor on my kitchen counter.
• 1:00:21
  Then going out to the garage to see if the carburetor worked.
• 1:00:25
  I came from a design world where it now used Illustrator, Photoshop,
• 1:00:29
  InDesign, all these things that are just do magic and now ai.
• 1:00:32
  There's a podcast group that I'm still kind of a part of.
• 1:00:34
  I don't do a lot with them anymore.
• 1:00:36
  Two years ago, created a podcast out of ai.
• 1:00:39
  With two people editing a chapter in his book and he played it for us.
• 1:00:43
  It was 12 minutes long.
• 1:00:45
  And he said there were no people, they didn't read the
• 1:00:48
  book 'cause there was no people.
• 1:00:49
  I just put my book online and went, and you know, now you've
• 1:00:52
  got Grok what it's doing.
• 1:00:54
  Have you played with that?
• 1:00:55
  Oh my gosh.
• 1:00:56
  It's like having a conversation with somebody.
• 1:00:59
  It's magical what you could do now.
• 1:01:00
  So I just sit there and I go, wow.
• 1:01:02
  If I'd had that tool, if I'd had this tool.
• 1:01:04
  So Ginger's going into this with the toolbox analogy, an entire
• 1:01:08
  different set of toolboxes and tools that I could have only dreamed
• 1:01:11
  about and it's quite wonderful.
• 1:01:13
  So again, there's more competition.
• 1:01:15
  Yes.
• 1:01:16
  Again, back when I started, I can't tell you how many times I
• 1:01:18
  would reach out to somebody and say, would you be on my podcast?
• 1:01:21
  And they'd say, what is a podcast?
• 1:01:23
  And a lot of them would say, I have no interest in that.
• 1:01:25
  Nobody must be listening 'cause.
• 1:01:27
  What is it?
• 1:01:27
  I don't know what it is.
• 1:01:28
  And then I would do some keynote talks.
• 1:01:30
  I remember one I did with a, uh, company that built high performance parts.
• 1:01:34
  I went back to Alabama, got it in front of 300 people.
• 1:01:37
  And I said, how many people in this room listen to a podcast?
• 1:01:40
  Two hands went up and there was literally, I think there were 320 people in the room.
• 1:01:44
  And I went, okay, how many people know that on this device you're holding in
• 1:01:49
  your hand, there is a button you can push and you can become a kaja listener?
• 1:01:54
  And that evening I picked up 280 subscribers.
• 1:01:57
  I just showed 'em by pushing three buttons.
• 1:01:59
  Now you're a subscriber.
• 1:02:00
  My show every day will come to your phone and you can listen.
• 1:02:03
  So that was a key thing for me going, okay, I gotta figure out how
• 1:02:05
  to tell everybody how to do this.
• 1:02:06
  But I was still new to social media still.
• 1:02:09
  So again, you have to go back to your why.
• 1:02:11
  To answer your original question, why stick with this?
• 1:02:13
  You have to go back to your why.
• 1:02:15
  You just gotta get up every day and do it.
• 1:02:17
  That's what every good person does.
• 1:02:20
  And if you're lazy, this is the wrong sport for you.
• 1:02:22
  The treadmill never stops.
• 1:02:24
  It never stops.
• 1:02:25
  I, I, the longest vacation I took during this was I went to India for
• 1:02:29
  18 days when my son got married.
• 1:02:31
  And the work I had to do to plan for that trip to have all those
• 1:02:34
  shows lined up for almost a, well, I did it for a whole month.
• 1:02:37
  And then of course when you're in India, they have the internet there.
• 1:02:40
  Yeah.
• 1:02:40
  They're, they're techie.
• 1:02:41
  Right.
• 1:02:41
  But I still had to go and make, and I remember one show didn't load for
• 1:02:44
  some reason, you know, so I'm midnight India trying to make, you know.
• 1:02:48
  Uh, you just learn.
• 1:02:49
  You just do it.
• 1:02:50
  Try not to take it all so seriously, which I don't listen to myself when I say that.
• 1:02:55
  So, mark, you used the phrase, the original question.
• 1:02:58
  You know, I've been thinking about that.
• 1:02:59
  And for old times sake, let's throw in some classic cars.
• 1:03:03
  Yeah.
• 1:03:03
  Questions for you and Ginger to answer.
• 1:03:05
  Okay.
• 1:03:05
  If you're a fan of the original cars, yeah, you kind
• 1:03:07
  of know how the format goes.
• 1:03:08
  So I decided to pick one for each of you.
• 1:03:10
  All right.
• 1:03:11
  So Mark, since you've got some extra time on your hands these days, please share
• 1:03:15
  a great book or two that you've read and you believe others would learn from.
• 1:03:19
  Thank you.
• 1:03:19
  That's a great question, Eric.
• 1:03:21
  I will remind everybody listening.
• 1:03:23
  There is an, and I hope I haven't even asked you, Andrea, this,
• 1:03:26
  she's gonna keep this on the website, guest recommended books.
• 1:03:30
  Thank goodness she's nodding her head 'cause it's a huge endeavor.
• 1:03:33
  But there are over 3000 books listed there on the website.
• 1:03:36
  'cause I asked all the guests that question, 'cause I
• 1:03:38
  think learning is important.
• 1:03:40
  You have to learn all the time and reading is a good way to do that.
• 1:03:42
  So that's one way I'm gonna answer your question is go to the caria
• 1:03:46
  website, click on the resources tab and go to guest recommended books.
• 1:03:50
  And there's over 3000 books there with quick, easy click to buy.
• 1:03:53
  Most of 'em are car, but some are business related.
• 1:03:55
  The other two books that I'll recommend are by a good friend of mine, Chris Pento.
• 1:04:00
  He is a financial advisor and really sharp young man.
• 1:04:04
  The first one is Capitalize your Sales.
• 1:04:07
  I wish I'd had this book when I was doing my podcast because my weak
• 1:04:11
  link was trying to get sponsors and.
• 1:04:13
  Being good at that.
• 1:04:14
  Ginger's gonna be an all star at that, so I don't worry about her there.
• 1:04:17
  But this book is all about learning how to do sales.
• 1:04:20
  It's a very quick read, 172 pages, so you can read it in evening or two.
• 1:04:24
  The other one he wrote is Capitalize Your Finances Again by Christopher
• 1:04:29
  Pan, O2 P-A-N-A-G-I-O-T-U.
• 1:04:33
  Try to spell that and say it doesn't work, but he's a great guy and I wish I'd had
• 1:04:38
  that book when I was younger 'cause I'd have a lot more money invested and saved
• 1:04:42
  up right now instead of spending it on race cars and sports cars and other cars.
• 1:04:47
  And more cars.
• 1:04:48
  And more cars.
• 1:04:49
  But those two books I would suggest they're great for younger people trying
• 1:04:53
  to get a grasp on their finances and also who need to be in sales and let's face it.
• 1:04:58
  No matter what you do, you're always trying to sell, you're trying to
• 1:05:01
  sell yourself to your boss, to your clients, your products and everything.
• 1:05:05
  And it's a world that Ginger lives in.
• 1:05:06
  So, uh, those are my recommendations right now.
• 1:05:09
  But I will say I'm in the process of categorizing my car library.
• 1:05:12
  I counted, did over 900 books back there.
• 1:05:16
  What, this is one, the advantage of having so many authors on the show.
• 1:05:19
  And, and Ginger and I have had a few authors together and she'll have
• 1:05:22
  more, I'm sure they send you books.
• 1:05:24
  So I have a car library that I always say when I'm too old to get up and
• 1:05:29
  get outta my easy chair, I will be able to read books until they
• 1:05:32
  just find me in there with books piled on top of me and I'm dead.
• 1:05:35
  It's pretty cool, but I'm trying to categorize 'em all so that someday,
• 1:05:38
  and my son is an avid reader, he will know what's there and he can either
• 1:05:42
  hand 'em off to a library somewhere or add 'em to his big library.
• 1:05:45
  There you go.
• 1:05:46
  That's my answer.
• 1:05:46
  Alright, ginger, your classic cars.
• 1:05:48
  Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  Question.
• 1:05:49
  Tell us about a really special car bike or truck in your life.
• 1:05:52
  Share great memory or experience you had with that vehicle.
• 1:05:56
  Well, I'd have to say it was my father's 1957 Chevy.
• 1:06:00
  It was blue and silver metallic.
• 1:06:02
  My dad raced local stock cars when he wasn't racing stock cars.
• 1:06:07
  He moved over to racing local NHRE events.
• 1:06:10
  And if you've ever watched the movie Heart like a wheel about Shirley Muldowney in
• 1:06:14
  the very beginning scene of that movie, she's sitting on his lap when she's
• 1:06:18
  little driving the car and they're going really fast and hilltop in a little bit.
• 1:06:23
  Well, I did that with my dad in that car.
• 1:06:26
  That car's the car.
• 1:06:27
  He took me into my very, very first race when I was about six or seven years old.
• 1:06:33
  The first racer I ever got to meet was Charlie Mulani, you know, and listening
• 1:06:38
  to, and watching her and seeing the cars, and listening to the cars and
• 1:06:42
  meeting Big Daddy Don Garlett and Connie Colletta, and, you know, all those.
• 1:06:46
  But, but it was the sound, the smell, the energy, all that, but.
• 1:06:50
  You know, watching Shirley, but I didn't have really very
• 1:06:53
  much times with my father.
• 1:06:55
  He was pretty absent most of my life.
• 1:06:57
  And I think that's part of why racing was always so important to
• 1:07:00
  me was that was the one connection that I had with my dad was racing.
• 1:07:06
  And the one connection that we had, the only connection that we had was that car.
• 1:07:11
  And that was really, really special for me.
• 1:07:14
  And, and when I decided later in life to go into racing, going through a
• 1:07:17
  very, very difficult time in my life personally and medically, I was going
• 1:07:22
  through a very life-threatening situation right after a very difficult divorce.
• 1:07:26
  And I was in the hospital and I woke up from surgery and I decided right then
• 1:07:31
  that I wanted to feel exactly the same way I did when I was at a racetrack.
• 1:07:35
  And while I was in the hospital, I actually wrote a poem of why
• 1:07:40
  I love racing, and I'll share it with you if you don't mind,
• 1:07:43
  but it has to do with this car.
• 1:07:45
  And it says.
• 1:07:46
  I wrote this little piece a few years ago about my love for racing.
• 1:07:49
  The words seem more appropriate now about just restoring the rumble of
• 1:07:52
  life, and it's called When the smoke Clears and it says, the heart begins
• 1:07:56
  to beat from the roar of the rumble.
• 1:07:59
  As you feel the earth shake, the walls start to crumble.
• 1:08:02
  When you smell the sweet air, it ignites the fire to desperately
• 1:08:06
  fuel that winning desire As the winds blow by drafting its way, any
• 1:08:11
  darkness subsides to the light of day.
• 1:08:13
  When the smoke clears from the victory circle, your passion in
• 1:08:16
  life is renewed for your miracle, and I decided that day I was going
• 1:08:21
  to go and get a career in racing.
• 1:08:24
  No matter what.
• 1:08:25
  So will Shirley be on cars?
• 1:08:27
  Yeah.
• 1:08:27
  You know, I hope to have Shirley on.
• 1:08:29
  I really do.
• 1:08:30
  I got to meet her again a few years ago at Bristol, and, uh, she hasn't
• 1:08:34
  changed a bit, but, uh, I hope so.
• 1:08:37
  And I, I actually, I plan on it and I hope so, and I hope she
• 1:08:40
  can do it, so that'd be great.
• 1:08:41
  But that's my special car.
• 1:08:42
  What's next for Mark?
• 1:08:44
  Are you officially retired?
• 1:08:45
  Is there more to come?
• 1:08:46
  What's going on in Mark Lane?
• 1:08:48
  Well, yes, right now Jill and I are in our fourth month of a major
• 1:08:53
  remodel here at the house, and that is eating up all my time.
• 1:08:57
  We went through this 19 years ago in a much bigger way, and I was
• 1:09:00
  run off every morning to work all day and leave Jill with the kids
• 1:09:03
  in a house full of contractors and.
• 1:09:05
  Chaos.
• 1:09:06
  And uh, I think to this day she has PTSD every time a power tool
• 1:09:09
  starts up from that experience.
• 1:09:11
  But now I'm here to help and I'm glad I am because there are
• 1:09:14
  a lot of very minute details.
• 1:09:16
  And I grew up with a father who was an architect and a contractor,
• 1:09:19
  so I've got a bit of that in me.
• 1:09:21
  So we're almost done.
• 1:09:22
  I think we're one month away.
• 1:09:24
  Uh, other than that, we've been traveling a little bit.
• 1:09:26
  We have our third grandchild now.
• 1:09:27
  So we head off to Arizona about every two months to see them and
• 1:09:31
  see my daughter and her husband.
• 1:09:32
  My son and his wife travel a lot, so they, I was gonna say dump, they
• 1:09:37
  drop off their child, which is a dog.
• 1:09:40
  We've never had a dog, so it's like having a toddler in the house this
• 1:09:43
  morning was especially challenging.
• 1:09:45
  It was like, leave me alone.
• 1:09:47
  I want the dog would not leave me alone.
• 1:09:49
  But he, he's gotten us out for some very long walks and my
• 1:09:52
  wife does like six miles a day.
• 1:09:53
  So we go out on these long, long walks with the dog, which is good.
• 1:09:57
  We're having a beautiful week here.
• 1:09:58
  I have some trips planned coming up very soon.
• 1:10:01
  I'm going to the La Jolla Concor, which is my hometown.
• 1:10:03
  Ginger's had three people from La Jolla Concor on the show
• 1:10:06
  recently to talk about that event.
• 1:10:08
  I've attended lots of Concord, has been to 32 Pebble Beach car weeks
• 1:10:12
  and historic races and pretty much, I dunno if not all the Concord,
• 1:10:16
  'cause there's as many concourses as our podcast, as seems m these days.
• 1:10:19
  But I'll be going to that.
• 1:10:20
  And I'm going to Patrick Long, who's known for endurance racing
• 1:10:23
  with Porsche, his air water event, which is part of his lu cult events.
• 1:10:27
  And that's happens to be the same weekend.
• 1:10:29
  So I'm gonna go down to see my mom while I'm down there.
• 1:10:31
  My sister took off for Paris, so I'll be staying at her house.
• 1:10:34
  I will get to see her, but I'll see my mom, which is good 'cause
• 1:10:37
  he's going through certain challenges health-wise right now.
• 1:10:40
  But I'm gonna sneak away for two days with an old college surf buddy.
• 1:10:44
  See Bernstein.
• 1:10:44
  He's gonna come and be the official car Caria photographer.
• 1:10:47
  He does that for us.
• 1:10:48
  We'll do that for Ginger, hopefully in the future, going to racing events and.
• 1:10:52
  Takes pictures and kind of thing.
• 1:10:53
  So I'm gonna meet up with him and he's gonna go to both those events
• 1:10:56
  with me and take pictures that we can hand off to ginger for social
• 1:10:59
  media, temp, things like that.
• 1:11:01
  Yeah.
• 1:11:01
  But other than that, I don't have right now, any big thing, as you say, planned,
• 1:11:07
  I have some ideas in my head, but every time I start to think, uh, do you really
• 1:11:12
  wanna start that at this point in time?
• 1:11:14
  You gotta find the why Mark.
• 1:11:16
  I find the why.
• 1:11:16
  Yeah, I've heard that.
• 1:11:17
  Yeah.
• 1:11:17
  You know, I've worked since I was about 12 years old, and so right now
• 1:11:21
  it's a very weird time for me because to get up in the morning and go, oh.
• 1:11:26
  I don't have to do anything.
• 1:11:27
  It's kind of cool, is unique for me, trying to focus more on my health, so
• 1:11:31
  more exercise, need to lose some weight.
• 1:11:33
  Same old, same old.
• 1:11:34
  So try to get myself in better shape because as you age,
• 1:11:37
  that's very important obviously.
• 1:11:39
  But other than that, we'll see.
• 1:11:41
  I'm playing around with some ideas for some things, but I think I, one thing I'd
• 1:11:44
  like to do is get back into photography.
• 1:11:46
  I was very into photography for a long time, and then I kind of steered away
• 1:11:49
  from it other than just the iPhone thing.
• 1:11:51
  Sold all my Nikon equipment, thinking about getting all new equipment
• 1:11:55
  with the digital Sony cameras.
• 1:11:57
  I've been talking to friends of mine who do that for fun.
• 1:11:59
  Talking to my friend Steve.
• 1:12:01
  I don't think he's a Nikon guy or a Sony guy.
• 1:12:03
  I think he's a Canon guy.
• 1:12:04
  But, uh, at any rate, yeah, there'll be some fun things to come and, and
• 1:12:08
  trying to help people out a little bit.
• 1:12:10
  As my wife says, I need to learn to say no, and I'm learning
• 1:12:13
  that from Ginger, her no rule.
• 1:12:15
  That's, there's some things you need to say no to, otherwise you
• 1:12:17
  can end up helping people all day, which is fine, but at some point you
• 1:12:20
  need to know when to stop that in.
• 1:12:22
  Go do something for yourself.
• 1:12:24
  So, um, yeah, but right now I'm just kind of enjoying this bit
• 1:12:27
  of freedom and my goal this year is helping Ginger be successful.
• 1:12:30
  So helping her edit shows, answering questions she has
• 1:12:33
  going along and nudging her.
• 1:12:35
  I feel like I need to give her a little nudge once in a while.
• 1:12:37
  Yep.
• 1:12:37
  Over certain things.
• 1:12:38
  So,
• 1:12:38
  yeah.
• 1:12:39
  Pointing the divining rods at you, ginger, what's the, the
• 1:12:42
  next thing we're working on you?
• 1:12:43
  Any spoilers, any special guests?
• 1:12:46
  Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
• 1:12:48
  How about this big deal?
• 1:12:49
  I was gonna say yeah, right?
• 1:12:51
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:52
  Mark, you hit it head on.
• 1:12:53
  I didn't want to hit head on.
• 1:12:54
  I was trying to be subtle about it, you know?
• 1:12:57
  Yes.
• 1:12:57
  There was a announcement that was released.
• 1:12:59
  Nationally that I had put together a, a very large deal, especially in the dirt
• 1:13:04
  world of dirt racing between Hulk Hogan and his company, real American Beer
• 1:13:10
  and, um, the World Racing Group and the Five Dirt Series under that umbrella.
• 1:13:15
  And when you talk about World Racing Group and the world of outlaws,
• 1:13:18
  especially the world outlaw's late models, you know, you're talking
• 1:13:21
  about people that aren't familiar with is basically the NASCAR of dirt.
• 1:13:24
  There hadn't been a deal like this in a very, very long time in the dirt world,
• 1:13:28
  and I was very excited that a gentleman by the name of James Case, who's the
• 1:13:32
  senior VP of partnerships for real American Beer, called me one day and
• 1:13:37
  said, Hey, we are going into Motorsports.
• 1:13:39
  We wanna go into Motorsport, and we want you to lead us to it, and we want
• 1:13:45
  you to take us where we need to be.
• 1:13:46
  We announced the deal.
• 1:13:48
  So there's a lot of things gonna be coming out of that.
• 1:13:50
  It's growing really, really fast.
• 1:13:52
  It's been fun that this partnership's gonna be fun.
• 1:13:55
  I get to play Switzerland 'cause I get to work with both sides, right?
• 1:13:58
  People always ask me to explain kind of what I do, my, my job.
• 1:14:02
  And I ask them, well, if you've ever seen the movie Jerry McGuire?
• 1:14:04
  And they're like, yeah.
• 1:14:05
  And I say, well, I'm the female version of Jerry McGuire.
• 1:14:08
  Letting the motor sports world is a huge deal.
• 1:14:10
  And there's a lot to come from that and more things that I'm working on.
• 1:14:13
  And probably some people on the show in the near future from that partnership.
• 1:14:19
  We'll just say that.
• 1:14:20
  I knew it.
• 1:14:20
  She's gonna have Hulk Hogan on the show I called it.
• 1:14:23
  There it is.
• 1:14:24
  Brother.
• 1:14:25
  I'm pleading
• 1:14:25
  the fifth, ripping his shirt open, you know,
• 1:14:29
  so, but no, I'm very grateful to Hawk and his crew, and James and
• 1:14:33
  Conrad and Terry, all of them that are leading this charge with that.
• 1:14:37
  And then also really proud of doing this deal with the world racing group in,
• 1:14:41
  in their group of guys and, and gals.
• 1:14:43
  It's gonna be fun.
• 1:14:44
  And there's, there's more to come in a lot of other series
• 1:14:46
  that I'm working on right now.
• 1:14:47
  But that's to remain
• 1:14:49
  in, I got to meet Hulk at sema just by chance.
• 1:14:51
  I walked around a car and he was standing there.
• 1:14:54
  We both turned right in each other's faces and Hulk Hogan, and he got a big smile,
• 1:14:58
  you know, everybody was trying to talk to him and just, he was the nicest person.
• 1:15:02
  Took time, listened, you know, unlike some stars, you meet and you can like, eh.
• 1:15:07
  Get outta my face.
• 1:15:08
  He was super, he was super great guy.
• 1:15:09
  So yeah, this is a big deal.
• 1:15:11
  Congratulations, ginger.
• 1:15:12
  This is awesome.
• 1:15:13
  And this will have some great ramifications for Caria and using that
• 1:15:17
  Caria platform to carry things forward.
• 1:15:19
  So really proud of you.
• 1:15:21
  Thank you.
• 1:15:21
  Yes, it was a multi-year deal and yes, and Caria was very much part of this
• 1:15:26
  conversation for something in the future.
• 1:15:28
  Woohoo.
• 1:15:29
  Well, folks, we've reached that part of the episode where I like
• 1:15:32
  to invite our guests to share any shout outs, promotions, thank yous,
• 1:15:35
  or anything else you'd like to share that we haven't covered thus far.
• 1:15:38
  So we'll start with Ginger.
• 1:15:40
  I'm in Victory Lane and I need to, oh, yeah.
• 1:15:42
  And I need to do the,
• 1:15:44
  you need to drink the milk and say something.
• 1:15:45
  Yeah.
• 1:15:46
  The Burger King and the, thank you.
• 1:15:47
  Thank you.
• 1:15:48
  Real American Beer.
• 1:15:49
  Thank you.
• 1:15:49
  World Racing Group.
• 1:15:50
  Thank you Mark Green.
• 1:15:53
  Thank you guys for having me on this show.
• 1:15:54
  I especially wanna thank Mark for believing in me and giving
• 1:15:58
  me this opportunity to share my voice and, and share my passion.
• 1:16:03
  But most of all entrusting me with his legacy.
• 1:16:06
  And I, I couldn't be more grateful and humble about the opportunity.
• 1:16:11
  And thank you guys for having me on here today.
• 1:16:12
  It was wonderful to meet you guys and, and talk and I'm sure we'll
• 1:16:15
  be talking more in the near future.
• 1:16:16
  Well, mark, you get the last
• 1:16:18
  word.
• 1:16:18
  As always, I encourage everyone to listen to cars.
• 1:16:21
  Yeah.
• 1:16:21
  Ginger's weekly show.
• 1:16:23
  And she, she said to me one time she might bring back more shows and
• 1:16:27
  get to the crazy world that I had.
• 1:16:28
  That would be awesome.
• 1:16:29
  I know she could handle that.
• 1:16:31
  I'm excited by the new guests that she's bringing the new voice, the new thought
• 1:16:34
  process, which is exciting for me.
• 1:16:36
  'cause as I said, I want this to live on, you know, having handed
• 1:16:39
  what I say the keys over to Ginger.
• 1:16:42
  I wish her the best success and, and encourage her to have fun with
• 1:16:45
  this show and keep bringing all those wonderful people forward.
• 1:16:48
  And of course, if you wanna listen to cars yeah, you can find on any mobile
• 1:16:51
  podcast app, new website will be coming.
• 1:16:54
  I'm excited to see that, which will be very, very cool.
• 1:16:56
  And of course, the social media sites.
• 1:16:58
  Car, jazz kind of everywhere, YouTube and Instagram.
• 1:17:02
  And I think the only place I never put it on was TikTok just
• 1:17:05
  couldn't get into the TikTok thing.
• 1:17:06
  But we'll
• 1:17:06
  see if that still exists soon.
• 1:17:07
  Yeah,
• 1:17:08
  maybe Ginger will en enlighten me.
• 1:17:10
  And if any of you want to keep up with me, I just started my own Instagram.
• 1:17:14
  I think I have 16 followers, so Woo-hoo.
• 1:17:18
  I am backing away from social media a bit because I spent so
• 1:17:23
  much time on it and trying to spend more time on reading and learning.
• 1:17:27
  And with my wife Jill, we've been married, as I mentioned, for 40 years,
• 1:17:31
  so she's carried me and promoted me.
• 1:17:33
  And the times I was gonna give up on this, she just said, you gotta keep going.
• 1:17:36
  Why'd you start it?
• 1:17:37
  Why'd you start it?
• 1:17:38
  And, uh, spending more time with my kids.
• 1:17:40
  Being a grandparent is just insanely cool.
• 1:17:43
  Still can't think of myself as a grandpa.
• 1:17:45
  I think that's for old people.
• 1:17:46
  But, uh, I guess I am.
• 1:17:47
  So three little ones is awesome.
• 1:17:49
  Hopefully there'll be more in the future.
• 1:17:51
  So, uh, yeah, but you can find me there.
• 1:17:53
  And I have my own Facebook page too, so you can find me there.
• 1:17:56
  Happy to accept, uh, anybody that wants to, uh, hang out with me and,
• 1:18:00
  uh, I'm trying to promote Ka as much as I can, but I'm, I'm trying to take
• 1:18:04
  some steps back away from it too.
• 1:18:05
  As we wrap up this special crossover episode with Caria.
• 1:18:09
  It's clear.
• 1:18:11
  While one chapter is closing, an exciting new journey is just beginning.
• 1:18:15
  Mark.
• 1:18:15
  Your passion and dedication has shaped cars.
• 1:18:18
  Yeah, into a go-to destination for automotive inspiration.
• 1:18:22
  And your legacy will undoubtedly continue and resonate with listeners,
• 1:18:27
  ginger, as you take the wheel.
• 1:18:29
  We can't wait to see where you steer Kaia next, bringing fresh
• 1:18:33
  perspectives while honoring the spirit that has made the show so beloved.
• 1:18:38
  And with that, I can't thank you both enough for coming on the show.
• 1:18:41
  And Mark, I have to say, you know, you talked about
• 1:18:44
  tenacity, perseverance, the why.
• 1:18:46
  Inspiration is at the core of Kaia.
• 1:18:49
  I've been thinking about it this whole time that you guys have been talking.
• 1:18:51
  Like you say, you never know what's gonna come out at the end in the story.
• 1:18:54
  And I thought to myself, there was a moment, even in, in my motorsports career
• 1:18:58
  and and getting into podcasting that I said one day I'm gonna be on cars.
• 1:19:02
  Yet it was a goal.
• 1:19:03
  And to use a phrase that the young kids use now.
• 1:19:05
  I visioned it, I put it out there, it manifested itself and I ended up on cars.
• 1:19:09
  Yeah.
• 1:19:09
  And so it's been an incredible ride.
• 1:19:12
  It's been an absolute honor to call you a friend and a mentor
• 1:19:15
  and to be involved in the cars.
• 1:19:16
  Yeah.
• 1:19:16
  Universe.
• 1:19:17
  I want to thank you for joining us on this crossover episode, and we really
• 1:19:21
  do look forward to what comes next.
• 1:19:22
  We're staying in tuned for those new stories, the new voices, and of course,
• 1:19:25
  the most incredible automotive journeys and passions that are out there.
• 1:19:28
  So in my best impression of Mark here goes.
• 1:19:31
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• 1:19:35
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• 1:19:40
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