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188 - Real Photographers, Real Scary Stories: A Halloween Replay · The Nerdy Photographer Podcast

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Casey Fatchett: Hey folks! I have a little spooky season
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treat for you. You're about to listen to a re-release of
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episode 76 of the Nerdy Photographer podcast, where my
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friend and photographer Jeremy Harris and I discuss spooky and
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scary stories submitted to the show by photographers from all
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over the world. There are ghost stories, unexplained
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occurrences, and explainable ones that are still extremely
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terrifying. So sit back and enjoy. Hello, and welcome to the
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Nerdy Photographer Podcast. It's spooky season for October, and
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I'm welcoming back to the podcast my friend Jeremy Harris.
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Jeremy, welcome!
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Jeremy Harris: Hey, welcome, welcome to you too.
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Casey Fatchett: Welcome, thank you,
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Jeremy Harris: thanks, thanks for having me back.
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Casey Fatchett: Oh, always, man. I was thinking about like for
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this like sort of Halloween thing, to to explore some scary
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stories from photographers, and I'm not just talking about like
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usually it was interesting to see when I put this the call out
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onto the interwebs for scary stories from photographers. A
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lot of people immediately thought that I meant ghost
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stories, but I don't necessarily mean ghost stories. I mean just
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like scary things that have happened, like people like just
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that are genuinely frightening. And immediately after reading
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several of these, I thought of you because they're right up
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your alley. But you know, I just wanted to get reactions to these
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stories. So you want to dive in? You ready?
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Jeremy Harris: Sure. So these are these are actually like like
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supernatural stories or stories of people's gear going down in
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the middle of the shoot. Oh, hey! It's just all to make it
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clear for me.
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Casey Fatchett: Yeah, it's all it's all kinds of things.
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There's there's a wide variety here.
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Jeremy Harris: All right, well let's let's do it.
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Casey Fatchett: All right, so here's the first one. When I was
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an undergrad, I lived downtown in an apartment in the city I
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went to school in. There was this very cool, distinctive
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bridge about five minutes walk from my house. It was shaped
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like a snake and overlooked a really busy road. So there's
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lots of potential for cool photos there. One night, I
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decided to roll through and take some pictures. I grabbed my
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gear, snapped a few pics, then I got bored and left as the shots
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I had envisioned weren't really working out. And to be honest,
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it was just felt kind of weird that night. I didn't really
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think anything about it until the next day when I was
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scrolling through the Facebook page of our local photography
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community and I saw someone post an article about the bridge. It
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turned out that the previous night when I had been out there,
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a couple had been mugged on the bridge and one of them was shot
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and killed. The article mentioned the specific time at
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which the crime occurred, and I went back and checked the
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timestamp on my photos, and it turns out that the timestamp on
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the last photo I took was about five minutes before the the
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reported time of the crime occurring. I'm not sure how much
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I actually missed it by, but to this day, I still occasionally
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think about what might have happened had I stayed for just a
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few minutes longer.
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Jeremy Harris: Yeah, that's that happens all the time. Yeah,
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you're in the you're you're in the wrong place at the right
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time, or you're near the wrong place at the right time, and you
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happen to get out of it.
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Casey Fatchett: Yeah, I mean, like, and we like I followed up
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on that question. I like what like what did you think was like
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you know when you think about what might have happened if you
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had stayed longer, like that, you would have like gotten
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pictures of it, or like, or it could have been you. And he was
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well.
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Jeremy Harris: That depends. Are you are are you do you want to
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be Weegee and you you you want a crime photography career? Yeah,
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and you just happen to stumble upon a fresh crime scene. I
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mean, that was something that I always kind of fantasized about
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when I was in my younger years, but I wanted to be a crime scene
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photographer, and I was like, "Oh, I want to get there first.
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But you know, I don't know. I wouldn't want to do that now.
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Casey Fatchett: Oh, did you see the movie The Little Things with
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Jared Leto and Denzel? I can't remember who the third lead is.
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Oh, it's Remy Malick. Remy Malick.
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Jeremy Harris: I did see that one. I did see that one.
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Casey Fatchett: You know the joke I'm talking when Jared Leto
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makes a Weegee joke that I thought was really good,
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considering that you know they're they're like showing him
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some like crime scene photo. He's like, it's no Weegee,
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Jeremy Harris: yeah,
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Casey Fatchett: yeah. I mean, like I don't know. Like there,
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if something like that happened to me, I think I would be more
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concerned. Like my initial concern might be more like, oh,
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I'm glad I didn't get shot, as opposed to I missed a missed a
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really great picture opportunity. And what are your
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well?
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Jeremy Harris: You know, as as as image makers, we're always
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put into situations where do we want to do we if we if we get
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put into a a situation of of conflict or if someone is is
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needing some help, you know, do we document or do we? Actually,
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put down the camera and help that person. And I think every
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situation is different, and every person would react
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differently. And also, the people who you know, it also
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comes down to: Would you want to sit there and take pictures and
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deal with the reaction later of you being kind of an insensitive
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jerk, or would you want to feel better about yourself by saying,
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you know what, I actually helped this person out and got them to
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the hospital and whatever. Yeah,
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Casey Fatchett: and I think that the I mean I think the one thing
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that we 2020 hindsight, but I mean it's like what exactly are
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you even witnessing at that point? Like what what you come
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back to it like saying oh someone was mugged they were
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shot and killed. You're sort of like sitting there like
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analyzing it from like this very cold perspective of you know
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like you're not actually there and trying to think like oh well
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you know I would do this or this and like I you know would I be
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concerned for my own safety or whatever but it's like yeah when
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you're in those situations like I've been in those situations
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without my camera like yeah where something happened, and
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I'm like, yeah, you don't stop and think about that sort of
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stuff. It all just happens really fast.
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Jeremy Harris: Yeah, well, lucky for this person, they weren't
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they weren't there.
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Casey Fatchett: Yeah, all right, next one, and this person starts
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with a disclaimer, and their disclaimer is, "I'm quite a
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skeptic and cynic about all things paranormal.
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Jeremy Harris: Oh, me too. This is a good one.
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Casey Fatchett: I do believe there are lots of things that we
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can't explain, but rarely, if ever, ascribe any of these
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things to any kind of spirit world interacting with us.
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However, I was at the Sloss Furnace in Birmingham. This is
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in England.
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Jeremy Harris: Oh, yeah. No, Birmingham, Alabama.
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Casey Fatchett: Is it? I thought I thought it was Birmingham.
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Yeah,
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Jeremy Harris: no, Birmingham, Alabama. Oh, I've been there.
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Casey Fatchett: You've been there. All right. So you'll
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actually know what this person's talking about. Slaus Furnace in
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Birmingham is famous for how haunted it is, which is
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supposedly due to the men who had died there during in
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horrible working conditions.
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Jeremy Harris: Oh yeah.
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Casey Fatchett: For many years, I worked just six blocks away
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from Sloss. During my lunch hour, I would often drive by it,
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or even drive onto the main parking lot, a big grassy area
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with the workers' quarters and some shotgun houses. This was
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before the days where the park was more locked down than it is
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now. The more time I spent around it, the more I got
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interested in photography. I decided I wanted to spend
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several hours taking photos there. So one Saturday, I
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grabbed my camera and I headed out. I go in again. There are no
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fences keeping people out at this point in time, and I'm
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walking around outside. And as far as I can tell, there's no
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one else around. I think there was maybe one other car in the
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area where I parked, but I didn't see anyone else the
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entire time I was there. Side note: I'm not claustrophobic,
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and I'm not afraid of the dark. Something unknown is more likely
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to make me want to investigate it than it is to avoid it. So I
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went on this journey with confidence and without fear. As
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I explored the area, I found the subterranean alleys about eight
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steps down into the tunnels. These are a series of long,
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low-ceiling rooms, and from what I can remember, they were
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interconnected by doors in the walls. I could pass across the
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tunnels by walking through these doors, which were located in the
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center of the length of the tunnel, I walk into the first
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tunnel, which is pretty dark, but was still bringing in light
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from the entrance. I walked down to the door in the center and
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passed into the next tunnel. At that point, is when I started to
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get creeped out from darkness and silence. I walk into the
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third tunnel, and suddenly I'm petrified. It dawned on me that
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I had not told anyone where I was going.
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Jeremy Harris: Yeah
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Casey Fatchett: And if someone showed up at the entrance, I
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would have no way to go except deeper into the tunnels. I turn
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around to go back the way I came, but when I did, I swear I
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saw a shadow move past the first center door. Wasn't an
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illusion-a bird or an animal flying past or moving past the
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entrance and casting a shadow. My own like fearful
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hallucinations at that point, and then I feel a chill sweep
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through me to the point that I actually physically, whole body
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shiver, and I didn't feel like I was alone anymore. My logical
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brain tells me that this was a physical response to the
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adrenaline that had just started pumping through me, but it felt
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like rapid external temperature change. All I knew was that I
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had to get out of there. I walked towards the entrance to
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the third tunnel, and I was hoping I would not wind up lost
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at wherever it dumped me, my heart was racing in my throat,
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and feeling like someone or something was right on my heels.
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I felt like I was going to scream, but I held it in as I
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reached the entrance. Coming out of the tunnel into the light
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felt like what I imagined it would be when you're drowning
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and suddenly break the surface of the water and take in a.
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Breath of air, I ran, and I do mean ran back to my car,
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trembling with fear and adrenaline. It took me several
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moments to regain my composure and feel safe to drive away. I
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did go back to Sloss one more time again to take photos with a
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friend. I stood at the top of the tunnels, deciding whether or
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not having a friend with me would bolster my courage to go
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back in. But no, it was not enough to venture back into
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those tunnels. I never want to experience that kind of fear
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again. The tunnels can stay undisturbed, as far as I'm
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concerned.
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Jeremy Harris: Wow. Well, that's a great story.
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Casey Fatchett: Yeah. Yeah.
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Jeremy Harris: First off, I'm totally I'm totally jealous
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because, like, I you know, as a kid, I used to spend the summers
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with my grandparents in Birmingham, and my father, my
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grandfather, had worked at the Sloth Furnaces on occasion
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because he was an engineer. He'd tell me all about working there.
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As I got older and I started exploring abandoned buildings,
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that was always on my radar. But you know, I never had a chance
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to get to see it until I don't know, three or four years ago
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when we finally drove to Birmingham, and now it's a a
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park. You know, they have concerts there and stuff, and
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they tore down most of it, and it's just you know a few
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smokestacks, and it's it's kind of benign. So it's not nearly as
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scary. But that that being said, this person having access to the
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whole thing with no security, like, oh man, that sounds
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awesome.
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Casey Fatchett: Yeah, I mean, it just sounds like to me, like
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first of all, like you don't come across things like that
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anymore for the most part. No, how long ago this was, but like,
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like where there's everything seems to get pretty locked up
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pretty quickly, mostly because of liability issues, I guess.
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But like, you know, oh yeah, at least these. I was
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Jeremy Harris: probably 10-15, 10-12, years ago, maybe. I
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don't, but yeah, it's you know. First thing is you don't go
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exploring places like that by yourself because absolutely,
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yeah, because you never know what's going to happen. You can
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fall into a hole. I've, I've, I've been in situations where I
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was with someone and I almost fell into a very deep, deep hole
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in some tunnels. Luckily, I caught myself. But had I been
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alone and fallen into that tunnel, yeah. So number one
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rule: when you go exploring places like that, take one with
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you.
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Casey Fatchett: Yes, we'll get into that more in later stories.
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Yeah, a few more that are that have a. There's there's a little
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bit of a you know, given your explorative past, and you know,
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do you still do get a chance to? Our last Halloween's episode was
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our discussion about like you know going through you going
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through, or was it last Halloween
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Jeremy Harris: Same time?
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Casey Fatchett: Yeah, and you still have you had a chance to
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go shoot anything recently, or
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Jeremy Harris: no? You know, I'm I'm I'm kind of living a life of
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safe safety and security here in Nashville. It's like as a as a
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as a man in a relationship, you know, with other things to focus
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on. I I you know, and you know, it's not so much that. It's just
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there's not much to see, and I just don't have the time to to
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drive around to the middle of nowhere and and explore these
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places. I mean, there's there's a kid here, and we won't get
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into it too much, but there's a kid here, abandoned Nashville on
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Instagram. Check it out. He's actually gotten way better, and
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he's he's living the life, man. He's got he's got a drone so he
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can fly it around the buildings that he's going to explore to
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check for security, and then he can avoid security by using the
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drone and like he finds some amazing places. But I did I did
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it, you know. I've been there, done that, and not to say that I
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wouldn't do it, but yeah, not really my main focus anymore.
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Casey Fatchett: Cool, man. I mean, I love your photos from
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like all the abandoned buildings, but there's oh yeah,
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there's there's more stuff coming up later in these stories
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that that we'll we'll touch on that again. Well,
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Jeremy Harris: as far as this person's experience with a
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potential ghost, you know, I mean, I'm skeptical as well.
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I've never experienced anything like that. I can't say that they
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are wrong. You know, you gotta you gotta respect that. But was
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it? You know, what was it? I don't know. Could it have been a
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draft from the tunnel? You know, I felt lots of cold drafts. You
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know, I mean, there's a lot of a lot of natural explanations that
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could happen, especially when your adrenaline's pumping and
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you're you're scared.
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Casey Fatchett: Yes, and that's exactly like when they when this
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person said like you know, and I've been in places where I
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absolutely know that my mind was playing tricks on me, and not
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like the the I think that like it's very telling when this
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person says like you know oh you know was it probably my
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adrenaline like causing me to feel like you know feel this
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way? Totally possible in the moment. You don't. You're not
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necessarily thinking that though. Oh
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Jeremy Harris: yeah.
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Casey Fatchett: And you can see how people might confuse that
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with something. But also, I mean, it it can. I would never
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like. I am not as. Brave as you were in your youth, as or
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younger days, as far as going into my younger days, younger
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days, going into places like this, like I've been in some,
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but there's also there's also a healthy fear. Like my dad was a
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fire investigator, and just like buildings can rot or like
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damage, whatever. Just the the fear of going through a floor,
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or like falling into a hole. Like that was that was just very
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much at the top of my mind. I'd be like, yeah, I don't know.
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Like I'm not. I've been to some buildings where you know it's
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like, yeah, I probably could get some cool pictures, but I don't
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know that that that like that roof above me is gonna stay up
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if I start, you know, messing with anything to try to get like
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climb over things, and you know, like those those sorts of that
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getting trapped, even even if there are people who know that
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I'm there and are with me, there's there's there's some
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things that I am not going to risk.
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Jeremy Harris: Oh yeah, I did some crazy, crazy, crazy, stupid
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things that scared the shit out of me. Sorry,
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Casey Fatchett: that's fine.
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Jeremy Harris: But um, yeah, like, and I look back on those
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those situations, and I'm like, what was I thinking? The only
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reason why I did them because I was with a friend who I was
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like, all right, can't chicken out with him. I can't say no, so
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you got to do it. Peer pressure,
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peer pressure, yeah. All
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Casey Fatchett: right, next one, next story. I went to this
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church in the middle of nowhere to shoot the Milky Way. I got
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there before sunset to scout it out, and I noticed there's a
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graveyard next to the church. Why are you surprised? There's a
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graveyard next to the church. Is my initial. It's a church.
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Jeremy Harris: Surprise!
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Casey Fatchett: Yay! There's a graveyard.
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Jeremy Harris: There's a circus tent next to the church
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Casey Fatchett: That I would be more surprised about. There was
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a parking area, so I parked, waited for the stars to come out
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while eating my dinner and waiting. Started, I started
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getting chills and goosebumps goosebumps on my arm. No big
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deal. It's just dark and cold. Not like I'm afraid of the dark
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or anything. When it's finally time that I'm going to start to
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shoot, I get out of my car, set everything up, and I hear a
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little girl giggle. Oh boy! I stop. I look around. Mind you,
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I've been here for hours. I'm in the middle of nowhere. No cars
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have gone by in the past several hours that I've been there.
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There are no houses, just empty farmland as far as you can see.
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That's when I started to get freaked out, and despite it
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being a warm summer evening, I feel cold. I duck back in the
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car, then I think I'm gonna tough it out. It's fine. I'll go
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out again. I get a few shots in, and I hear the little girl's
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giggle again. No mistake this time. And it was coming. It's a
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girl giggling, and it's coming from the direction of the
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graveyard. I decide I'm getting the hell out of there, and I
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did. I grabbed my gear, threw it in the car, and took off.
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Jeremy Harris: Is this a yeah? Well, that's that's a really
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good story too. I mean, this is the kind of things that like
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I've always wanted to have happen. Like I've always wanted,
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you know, I grew up loving ghost stories, and it's like I always
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wanted to see a ghost. I always wanted to have something like
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this happening, and it never has. So, I mean, kind of a
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bummer. But I'm jealous. I'm jealous of this person's
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experience. He's like, had I heard that giggling, maybe I
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would have ran away. But I think I would have gone to invest. I
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don't know.
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Casey Fatchett: I've, I, I will share a personal story of mine.
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I lived in a house when I was in college that was built pre-Civil
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War, and at one time, like people like speculated as to
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whether or not it was a spot on the Underground Railroad,
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Because there was like there were like hidden rooms in the
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basement, and there was it was just very like I had been living
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I had lived there for a year, and some of the people like
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everyone who lived in the basement, there were rooms that
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had been set up in the basement. Everyone who lived in the
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basement had horrible nightmares. Like, yeah, horrible
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horror.
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Jeremy Harris: Like they lived in a basement. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean,
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Casey Fatchett: but it was like you know, like these were. This
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was beyond the pale of like, and and they only happened after
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there was a party in the house. Like they would happen for like
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a week after like there was a party in the house. Not just
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like that night, but like, and I went there to work on my room
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one time, and like after like it was summer break or whatever,
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and I go to the house and I'm like going and I'm like giving
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my room a fresh coat of paint and doing some more. But you
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know, I'm in the house and I'm just like, man, this is just a
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mess. Like people just left and it was a mess. And I was trying
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to clean up, and there were these huge area rugs that had
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just been like piled on top of stuff. I couldn't get to the
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vacuum cleaner because it was like kind of under these rugs.
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They just like thrown them down. Like they had been. I don't know
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why they were there. I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna
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put these down in the basement. Whatever, not a big deal. So I
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grabbed one of them and I'm just gonna push it down the stairs
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because I couldn't like carry the whole thing by myself. It
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was a big area rug.
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Jeremy Harris: Yeah,
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Casey Fatchett: and I get it down like most of the way down
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the stairs, and then it gets caught up, and I'm like, I'm
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gonna just go. All right, I'll just go down to the bottom, like
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walk over it and drag it down from there, and I felt the most
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overwhelming terror that it was just like, and it was like
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nothing had precipitated this. There was like nothing like
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weird going on, like I, you know, just like all of a sudden,
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I just like immediately my brain just kept feeling, get out of
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the house, get out of the house, get out of the house, get out of
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the house, and like in like you leave, like get out. So I am
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like, okay,
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Jeremy Harris: so you know that you know what that feels like.
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Casey Fatchett: Yeah, and it was just-I mean, it was just an
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immediate. I don't like. I don't like. There was, there was no,
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you know, weird things, and I was just like, it was like
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powerful. But here's the weird part of the story, because it
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does get weirder, and yeah, maybe I'll tell you other
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stories that happened after that. But like, I'm running up
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the stairs to get my stuff. I'm like, all right, you know what?
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I'm just gonna go, and I run up the stairs to grab my stuff out
21:46
of my room, and there's only one other room in the house that is
21:51
unlocked, and the phone starts ringing in it, and it's right at
21:55
the top of the stairs, and I'm like, what do I do here? And
21:59
first, like I was just like, you know what? I'm gonna answer the
22:03
phone. Like, this seems weird. There's like that. This phone is
22:06
still connected, and you know this door is open and whatever.
22:11
So I like step in. I answer the phone, and the voice on the
22:15
other end goes, "Who is this? And I'm like, "Well, who's this?
22:19
I'm like, "This is Casey. Like you know, I'm like, oh, and it
22:22
was Casey. Like it's Mike, and Mike was a friend of mine who
22:25
lived in the house as well, and he and he lived in the basement.
22:29
Yeah, he's like, I just had this really weird feeling that
22:32
someone had broken into the house, and he's like, and I
22:37
thought to call this number, and I was like, "Well,
22:43
Jeremy Harris: whoa!
22:43
Casey Fatchett: And and I just said, "Well, I'm the only one
22:46
here. And as far as I know, nobody. He's like, "Oh, he's
22:49
like, did you try to go in the basement? And I was like, "Yeah.
22:54
He's like, "Man, I don't know if I do that.
22:59
Jeremy Harris: I wouldn't go down there if I were you,
23:01
Casey Fatchett: yeah.
23:01
Jeremy Harris: Don't go down in the basement,
23:02
Casey Fatchett: yeah. Well, I mean, I yeah. Well, I'll tell
23:04
you other stories another time. But like, I I have I have felt
23:07
that feeling of of terror and just like weirdness and like I'm
23:12
I'm usually pretty skeptical too. I've been on ghost hunts,
23:15
like and like where people like, oh, it's an orb. I'm like,
23:18
that's dust. I'm so that's dust. That is not like at the. That's
23:23
not an orb.
23:24
Jeremy Harris: An orb. I know, but orbs like orbs aren't
23:26
particularly scary. Like, all right. Well, if you saw like if
23:29
you like some giggling girl, some giggling girls off in the
23:32
distance, you know that's the thing. It's like I wouldn't be
23:35
particularly scared with that noise. Like if I heard somebody,
23:38
if I heard somebody in the bushes going, "Come here, little
23:41
boy. And of course, then I'd be really scared. But like giggling
23:45
girls, I'd be like, "What is that? I'd be really curious to
23:48
what's. I'd take my flashlight, or I just sneak over there and
23:51
be like, "What is that?
23:52
Casey Fatchett: So I am. I mean, maybe I wouldn't.
23:54
Jeremy Harris: I mean, if I was by myself, maybe I wouldn't. But
23:57
Casey Fatchett: yeah, and there's like yeah, and I think
24:01
that there's there's real difference between like that.
24:04
That was for me was that particular experience was really
24:07
frightening, just because like I was like whatever I'm just gonna
24:11
throw this in the basement, and then all like sudden it was like
24:14
immediate, like full body, just like terror feeling, like out of
24:21
nowhere.
24:23
Jeremy Harris: Wow.
24:23
Casey Fatchett: Yeah. On that note.
24:27
Jeremy Harris: Yeah. Well, you know, I'm curious. So this this
24:31
girl just left. I'm assuming it was a was it a woman, right, or
24:34
a girl that like was at the? I daresay.
24:36
Casey Fatchett: I don't know if it was a man or woman. Just like
24:38
just said
24:40
Jeremy Harris: they they they they they split. They never
24:42
figured out what it was. I hope they got some shots out of it.
24:45
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, I'll send you. I mean, the
24:46
Jeremy Harris: Milky Way. I mean, it must must have been you
24:48
know, see the Milky Way. Pretty amazing. Would love to see that.
24:52
Casey Fatchett: I'm gonna message you.
24:53
Jeremy Harris: They must have been out in the middle of like
24:55
you know Midwest somewhere. I don't know where where can you
24:58
see the where can you see the Milky Way. And then the United
25:02
States, like you know,
25:04
Casey Fatchett: I just messaged actually a pretty awesome
25:06
picture. They they had sent me. I just messaged it to you on
25:11
Facebook. You can see like without even clicking through
25:14
like the the picture. It's a pretty good picture, but yeah, I
25:21
mean, my guess is somewhere out in the Midwest, or you know,
25:25
where there's not a lot of light pollution. Because well, I don't
25:27
know, maybe there is. Looks like there's maybe some off in the
25:31
distance. But it's a pretty good, pretty good shot.
25:37
Jeremy Harris: All right, well I'll check that one out. I'll
25:38
check that one out. So let's look up at the next story.
25:41
Casey Fatchett: All right, next story. This is somebody who's
25:44
more about like you know. This is coming back to our like
25:47
what's really happening here. Next story. Back when I worked
25:51
for a county sheriff, I had the pleasure of working in the jail
25:54
a few times, and I got to know the jail commander. She was a
25:58
quote unquote true believer. One of the things she said was that
26:02
the jail was haunted. Among other things, she mentioned as
26:07
proof was a particularly scary mentally ill inmate, like think
26:12
Charles Manson type, who had stayed there for a year, had
26:15
developed a bit of a cult among the inmates before hanging
26:18
himself. Yes, in the jail.
26:23
Jeremy Harris: Yeah,
26:23
Casey Fatchett: they found him hang just after midnight.
26:25
Apparently, the camera system hadn't been working that night.
26:29
Anyway, fast forward a couple of years, the camera system has
26:32
this weird tendency to shake violently and glitch out every
26:36
night, just before midnight, and then recover a few minutes
26:39
later. According to the jail commander, the inmates also wake
26:44
up and freak out at the same time. This only happens in the
26:49
wing of the jail where the guy hung himself. The camera system
26:56
is already pretty old by the time I started working there. I
27:00
get called in to take a look at the system because I'm IT, and
27:04
obviously I can fix anything that has electrons moving
27:06
through it. The jail commander starts by telling telling me
27:11
about about the ghosts and how they mess with the cameras, and
27:15
shows me footage. The first tape she shows me shows inmates
27:20
standing around, sitting, doing typical inmate stuff, as the
27:24
light level changes for lights out in a jail, they never really
27:27
actually go dark. But even though it's called lights out,
27:30
sure enough, you can see ghost outlines walking around while
27:35
others are lying in their mattresses. Any thoughts before
27:40
go into what happens next.
27:45
Jeremy Harris: Wait, wait, wait. What was the last thing you just
27:46
said?
27:47
Casey Fatchett: I said, "Do you have any thoughts before I go on
27:49
to what happens next?
27:52
Jeremy Harris: I thought you said something about sex. No,
27:54
Casey Fatchett: no, no, no. Ghost.
27:56
Unknown: What's happening next? Okay. No, no. I um. All I can
28:01
think of is okay. This is interesting. Go on.
28:05
Casey Fatchett: Yes. So if you're familiar with the
28:07
Disneyland CCTV ghost, you know what the punchline is. VHS tapes
28:11
of closed circuit television get weird artifacts like this when
28:15
you record over them again and again and again. You can pull up
28:19
YouTube videos of from Disneyland, and you know you can
28:23
see this effect happening over again. So I showed those to the
28:27
GL commander and recommended they cycle out their old tapes
28:30
for new ones because they're what they're getting is
28:33
artifacts of inmates walking around on top of when the
28:39
inmates are asleep because they've recorded over these
28:42
tapes so many times.
28:44
Jeremy Harris: Exactly.
28:45
Casey Fatchett: But why do the cameras shake and go off every
28:47
night at the same time just before midnight? For the hell of
28:51
it, I pull late night and hang out with the guards in the
28:54
control room watching the cameras.
28:57
Jeremy Harris: Yeah
28:58
Casey Fatchett: The guards are all ex-patrol deputies who have
29:01
seen everything and generally don't give a shit about the
29:05
stories, but they do recognize that the inmates wake up and
29:10
freak out. They attribute it to methamphetamine withdrawal and
29:14
psychosis and other issues. Why it happens always at the same
29:19
time, they don't know. Sure enough, at midnight, the cameras
29:24
in the haunted wing all start shaking and fuzzing out. The
29:28
inmates wake up and start crying and screaming and talking to
29:32
themselves, and then a few minutes later, everything stops
29:37
and goes back to normal. I'm really puzzled. I go to one of
29:41
the tapes and turn on the audio. At midnight, I hear a bunch of
29:46
screeching and thumping, and then I think it sounds like you
29:50
know the AC going out on my old Buick.
29:53
Jeremy Harris: Yeah.
29:54
Casey Fatchett: The next day, I talk to the facilities
29:57
management people, and they're like, "Oh yeah, every night we
30:01
have to cycle." The air handlers in the air conditioning system,
30:05
and we have a unit that's got a bad clutch and fan, and it makes
30:09
a really loud racket. But the county doesn't want to pay to
30:13
replace it because the units aren't made anymore, and we'd
30:17
have to pay for new ones, and we don't have that in the budget.
30:21
So what happens is the air conditioning units, whatever air
30:25
handling units on the roof, go crazy in that section every
30:29
night at the same time, and it causes everything to go whack.
30:33
Case closed.
30:34
Jeremy Harris: So that guy, that guy was a ghostbuster. He was
30:37
not only an IT guy, but he was a ghostbuster. He was like, you
30:39
know what? I'm a skeptic, and this doesn't make any sense. And
30:43
I'm going to go in here and bust it, bust it wide open.
30:46
Casey Fatchett: No human being would stack books like this.
30:49
Jeremy Harris: Well, it's just so funny how people stick to
30:52
like the scary story. They're like, "Oh, okay. They they
30:55
choose they choose the the the possibility of the most
30:59
ridiculous as opposed to the most natural, they're like, "Oh,
31:02
there's ghosts in there. Okay, we're just going to live with
31:03
that. As opposed to, "Let's try and figure this out and you know
31:09
explain it. They're like, "Nope. They they just they just their
31:13
brains just say, "Oh yeah, ghosts. Okay, we're that's cool.
31:15
We're going to live with it. The place is haunted.
31:18
Casey Fatchett: Right, and it's uh yeah it's you have to be
31:22
skeptical about you know what's going and like even yeah like
31:25
there's the history of spirit photography yeah I don't know if
31:32
you have
31:32
Jeremy Harris: oh yeah
31:33
Casey Fatchett: like and it's a lot of cases very simply
31:36
obviously you know double exposures which were very
31:42
popular back even in the 1800s. You know, people like just using
31:46
the same plates over and over again to like create spirit
31:50
photography. There, oh, there's a ghost, or you know, long
31:55
exposures where you'd have like ghostly figures walking through.
31:58
Well, yeah, I mean, I can do that right now if I want to, and
32:01
like go out and like, yeah, I'm gonna take a long exposure. I've
32:03
got pictures like I did a series of photos in Grand Central, and
32:10
you know, I probably if I showed them to somebody from the 1800s,
32:12
they think that it was just full of ghosts because all it just
32:15
was like these ghosty figures like walking through in these
32:18
long exposures. Yeah, I mean, there's there are quite often
32:24
explanations for things if you look into it. You know, it's
32:28
when we find the unexplained. All right, next story.
32:34
Jeremy Harris: Sure.
32:36
Casey Fatchett: Again, an abandoned building. I was out
32:38
photographing an abandoned cottage in the middle of
32:42
nowhere, and as I'm walking through the house, I find
32:47
Jeremy Harris: always in the middle of nowhere.
32:48
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, I find two brand new parentheses and
32:52
probably stolen motorcycles.
32:56
Jeremy Harris: Wow! Okay, sitting
32:57
Casey Fatchett: in the living room. I decided in the
33:01
Jeremy Harris: living room.
33:01
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, I decided to get the hell out of there
33:03
pretty quick because I didn't want whoever owned them or
33:07
whoever had taken possession of them coming back and finding me
33:10
there. Gary, yeah, that's right. Because you're like, who's here?
33:19
You've gone out in the middle of nowhere to like take pictures,
33:21
and you're like, maybe I'm not alone, and maybe the people that
33:26
are also here might not be law-abiding citizens.
33:31
Jeremy Harris: Yeah, you know, in a case like that, you got to
33:33
sort of like, you know, oh look, there's motorcycles in the
33:36
living room. That's that's odd. Like, are they are they brand
33:41
new motorcycles? Are they old motorcycles, and are they
33:44
covered with stuff?
33:45
Casey Fatchett: No, he said they were two very obviously brand
33:48
new motorcycles.
33:50
Jeremy Harris: Oh, okay, yeah. In that case, sometimes it's
33:53
better just to like not hang around because there's lots of
33:58
nefarious individuals sometimes who use abandoned houses down in
34:01
the middle of nowhere for their shenanigans.
34:04
Casey Fatchett: Yeah. Oh, next one. This is a short one. Bridal
34:09
party on cocaine. Total nightmare.
34:14
Jeremy Harris: Bridal party on cocaine. Well, yeah. I mean,
34:19
what would be not getting into like drugs too much, but what we
34:22
were bridal party on cocaine, bridal party on mushrooms,
34:25
bridal party on acid, bridal party on
34:28
Casey Fatchett: on yeah, I don't know. I mean, it all depends on
34:31
what kind of trip they're having.
34:32
Jeremy Harris: But like, I've dealt with lots of bridal
34:34
parties that are like hammered on alcohol. Yeah, on cocaine.
34:40
Yeah, you know, I'm sure I've dealt with bridal parties who
34:42
are on, you know, on on cocaine as well, but I've never
34:45
personally witnessed that, you know, the bride who's like, you
34:49
know, cutting a line on the table and saying, "Hey, get a
34:52
picture of me with this.
34:54
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, I mean, I had I had a dude who was like,
34:57
you know, it was a. Record industry exec when I showed up
35:03
was partaking of illicit materials. Yeah, and I was like,
35:12
should I not be taking pictures right now? And he's like, it's
35:14
no big deal. I was like,
35:16
Jeremy Harris: no big deal.
35:18
Casey Fatchett: Are you sure about that? Really?
35:21
Jeremy Harris: Ah, who's gonna see him?
35:23
Casey Fatchett: Just me.
35:24
Jeremy Harris: Just don't put him on Instagram.
35:25
Casey Fatchett: Right. All right. Next one. Had a shoot in
35:31
an abandoned hospital, haunted abandoned hospital. The scariest
35:36
part was the legal trouble I had afterwards.
35:39
Jeremy Harris: Oh yeah, that's happened to me.
35:44
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, when you never
35:46
Jeremy Harris: that's that's the that's the scary that's the
35:48
scariest thing. Whenever I've been exploring these places,
35:50
like getting caught by like you know least, and that that
35:57
happened once.
35:58
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, it
35:59
Jeremy Harris: cost me cost me five cost me 500 bucks.
36:02
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, not good. All right, next story.
36:08
Basically, I was shooting on a dried sea inlet, bang right in
36:12
the middle. Ground used to be wet, but now was totally grassy
36:16
and dry. As I'm shooting, I turn around and the water has started
36:21
creeping up behind me, separating me from the shore.
36:26
Jeremy Harris: Ooh, that's pretty scary.
36:27
Casey Fatchett: I somehow managed to pinpoint the only
36:29
place where there was a little bit of sand and started to run
36:32
as fast as I could. I had to jump over the a gap in the water
36:37
and managed to climb to the shore over the rocks. Now I
36:41
didn't know how much the water was going to rise, but I thought
36:45
I'm probably safe here. Only issue behind me is a tall metal
36:49
fence separating from a railway track. The passage under a
36:54
bridge, under the bridge I came from, was now completely
36:58
flooded, and I could absolutely not go back that way. This
37:03
happened in the course of 15 minutes, between totally dry and
37:08
apparently safe, and completely flooded. I eventually had been
37:14
rescued by the Coast Guard.
37:17
Jeremy Harris: Why? Why was it flooded? Was my guess this tide
37:20
Casey Fatchett: came in. The tide came in, and this person
37:24
wasn't prepared for how quickly the tide came in.
37:28
Jeremy Harris: Wow, that's pretty. Seems like a pretty, you
37:31
know, tide.
37:33
Casey Fatchett: And sometimes it comes in a lot faster than you
37:35
think. And like, I mean, if they had never been there before, and
37:37
they just looked at like, oh, you know, it's totally dry now.
37:42
Jeremy Harris: Yeah, I mean, there should maybe there should
37:43
be some sign in the area thing. Caution, high tide area.
37:48
Casey Fatchett: Absolutely,
37:49
Jeremy Harris: possible possible drowning
37:51
Casey Fatchett: because
37:51
Jeremy Harris: photographers.
37:52
Casey Fatchett: That shit scares me. Like I've I've gone out into
37:54
like yeah places where like yeah oh I'm what is going to change
38:01
here? Oh yeah. Any place where I'm like, you have to like where
38:06
there's you know that there's maybe some potential danger.
38:10
Like we would go when I've been to like Scotland and stuff, and
38:14
it's just like oh, this is safe, but for how long is it going to
38:17
be safe? I don't live here, and I have no idea what might
38:21
happen. So yeah. Well, you
38:24
Jeremy Harris: know, it's it's it's fun being risky, but at the
38:26
same time, you gotta you gotta pay attention to your
38:28
surroundings.
38:29
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, and like you said, I think the scariest
38:31
part about that is like you know, it within 15 minutes, like
38:33
that all changed.
38:34
Jeremy Harris: Yeah,
38:35
Casey Fatchett: like it's stuff happens quickly, and I and I
38:37
actually had there were several stories like that that people
38:41
had submitted. I'm actually saving for other episodes, but
38:45
like that was like water coming up on people really quickly,
38:50
like people in a river and just like thinking like, oh, you
38:53
know, I can stand on this little like island and I can I'll be
38:55
able to walk back to the riverbank and then all of a
38:58
sudden like you know like five minutes and all I can't like I'm
39:01
just basically standing on the one place in this little, you
39:05
know, outcropping in the middle of a river. It's a yes. Water is
39:10
very that water is probably the one that scares me the most.
39:13
Jeremy Harris: Oh, I I agree. I'm not much. Um, I love the
39:16
ocean, but I'm not much good as far as swimming in the ocean.
39:19
Casey Fatchett: Yeah. All right. Next story. I was exploring an
39:24
abandoned power plant by myself, and I was on the phone with my
39:29
girlfriend. I hear metal clanking and start hearing
39:33
voices, and she kept talking, and I was like, "Shut the fuck
39:36
up! Shut the fuck up! Shut the fuck up! Shut the fuck up! I
39:41
turn her corner and look down, and there's a what appears to be
39:46
a freshly dead crow that looks like it's been stomped
39:51
repeatedly.
39:55
Jeremy Harris: That's not funny, but there was no
39:57
Casey Fatchett: blood. There was no blood,
40:02
Jeremy Harris: yeah,
40:02
Casey Fatchett: and it's just horribly disfigured. I have to
40:11
say the place has been abandoned for over 150 years at this
40:15
point, and now I believe, and I guess it's. I'm sorry, I can't
40:21
make sense of like no longer
40:23
Jeremy Harris: a power plant. A power plant that was abandoned
40:25
for 150 years. Yeah,
40:26
Casey Fatchett: I don't know what you're saying. Like
40:28
abandoned. Oh, 15 years probably
40:30
Jeremy Harris: there for 15
40:31
Casey Fatchett: years, and I believe no one's gone in it in
40:35
more than 10. And I'd say it's probably no longer safe to go
40:38
into. Sorry, I think they had added an extra zero there. That
40:41
was my first really dangerous outing, and it gave me a very
40:45
unique adrenaline rush. I think I described it to people I knew
40:48
as a quote unquote fear boner. A childish name, but that's most
40:54
honestly what it felt like. Your heart rate skyrockets knowing
40:57
that you could fall hundreds of feet to your death at any
41:00
second.
41:02
Jeremy Harris: Yeah, I I understand that feeling, the
41:05
fear boner. I'm gonna have to use that one from now on.
41:08
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, description of like the
41:12
adrenaline rush, the adrenaline rush of.
41:14
Jeremy Harris: I'm gonna use that one. I'm gonna use that one
41:16
more often than not. Now it's like like my girlfriend. Hey,
41:20
could you go turn off that light? It's upstairs. Well, it's
41:22
dark, but I want to get a fear boner, so I'm going to go up
41:25
there. I'm
41:25
Casey Fatchett: going to do it anyway. I
41:27
Jeremy Harris: do it anyway because I like the fear boner.
41:32
Casey Fatchett: All right, next one. I was doing a photography
41:35
project based on horror and fear, which mainly consisted of
41:39
staging creepy photos such as you know a clown coming out of
41:42
my sister's closet, stop motion of dolls moving around, or
41:46
photoshopping people's portraits into nightmare-inducing
41:49
scenarios. So anyway, I needed to do video for you know extra
41:54
credit. So I scouted out a location as part of my research
41:57
and chose some woods near my house or near my town because I
42:00
thought woods are, quote unquote, stereotypically scary,
42:03
like you know Blair Witch stuff. I couldn't drive, so I walked
42:07
there after school, probably about 45 minutes. That's not a
42:10
short walk. What I didn't think about was that the sun sets
42:13
pretty quickly in November when I was doing this, and not long
42:16
after I arrived, it was going to get really dark, really quick.
42:20
Jeremy Harris: Yeah.
42:21
Casey Fatchett: To make matters worse, a thick fog rolled in,
42:25
and I'm talking thick. Couldn't see more than a few feet in
42:28
front of me. I had no torch, so this person is maybe in Europe
42:33
somewhere,
42:33
Jeremy Harris: living in the Middle Ages.
42:36
Casey Fatchett: No reflective gear, and the only way home was
42:39
along the winding road that I had come down. I didn't fancy my
42:44
chances against the blind traffic, so I waited for three
42:48
hours until my mom could come and pick me up. This was this
42:52
was before smartphones, or at least before I had one. All I
42:56
had was my camera and an iPod Nano. That really thick sets the
43:01
time period. iPod Nano. I had to sit alone in the dark on the
43:08
edge of the woods, not being able to see anything, but very
43:11
much being able to hear everything: creatures moving,
43:17
trees creaking, twigs snapping. It was all very intense for a
43:23
very long period of time. I couldn't decide if it was better
43:27
or worse to sit facing the woods or to keep my back to them. Just
43:35
to add to the terror, the field next to the woods was home to
43:41
huge northern cattle. Okay, this person is in England. Not sure
43:46
the exact breed, but they're like the big hairy-looking
43:49
bulls, hairy cows. I call them. I did not know this at the time.
43:54
I did not know this at the time, but I could hear heavy footsteps
43:58
and even heavier breathing coming through the fog, I
44:02
started grabbing myself at this point. Then, through the fog,
44:05
this bull-looking creature's face appears and stares me down
44:09
for a good five minutes before disappearing. Now that is like,
44:14
all right, I'm jumping out of the story. That would be an
44:19
awesome photo.
44:21
Jeremy Harris: Yeah, yeah.
44:22
Casey Fatchett: That's where you need to be taking a picture. The
44:25
photos that I took weren't very scary, but but the experience
44:29
itself was terrifying. Towards the end of it, I sort of
44:32
overcame my fear, and it was I got to a peaceful Zen-like
44:37
space, but I would never do that again. Again, this is not a
44:42
matter of anything paranormal or supposedly paranormal. It's just
44:46
like, yeah, that's like sitting in absolute darkness in like fog
44:52
and just being very aware of things moving around you for a
44:55
long period of time and not being able to get away from
44:59
Jeremy Harris: it. Just putting yourself into risky situations
45:02
that you should have been in.
45:03
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, like you really should have prepared more
45:05
for that. Like there's yeah,
45:06
Jeremy Harris: well, this person sounds like they were young and
45:09
they weren't really thinking that far ahead. Yeah, like I
45:12
want to go out and do this thing.
45:13
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, well, they're like in high school.
45:15
Jeremy Harris: I'm going to go out into the woods by myself in
45:17
November, and you know, not pay attention to the time of year.
45:23
Casey Fatchett: Yeah,
45:24
Jeremy Harris: luckily they were able to get in touch with their
45:27
their their mother.
45:29
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, somehow. Not sure how, but like you know,
45:31
three or figured out like this is. I said this is where this is
45:34
where I'm going.
45:36
Jeremy Harris: This was the the age of the iPod Nano. So what
45:40
would that be like? 90 something 2000 like 2000 something 2000
45:44
something. Yeah, I thought Nano. Is that the is that the is that
45:49
the mini? That's a that's a
45:51
Casey Fatchett: shuffle, not a shuffle. Shuffle is like the
45:54
square one. Nano had a screen.
45:56
Jeremy Harris: 2000.
45:58
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, it's got to be.
46:00
Jeremy Harris: Come on, they had it. This continued in 2017.
46:04
Casey Fatchett: When was it? They had a
46:05
Jeremy Harris: flip phone. They were they were able to get in
46:07
touch with their mother with a flip phone.
46:08
Casey Fatchett: Introduced in 2005. So
46:13
Jeremy Harris: or one of those things, you know. Yeah, they had
46:15
flip phones back then. They weren't they weren't
46:17
smartphones, but they were able to get touch with their their
46:20
rescue us. But still, like, wait a minute, why were they sitting
46:24
out in the woods for three hours? Were they that far away
46:26
from their home?
46:27
Casey Fatchett: It was like he said, it was a 45 minute walk
46:30
back. It was a pretty long walk, but also because of the fog, had
46:34
no like flashlight and no like second gear. Any walk on the
46:39
road when the sun was out, like walk next to the road, he was
46:44
afraid of like getting hit by a car because of the thaw. That's
46:49
what he was afraid of. Like yeah, that you know if he tried
46:53
like it's a windy road, and if he's walking and he's not able
46:57
to see very well, and then somebody comes around a corner
46:59
and runs him over.
47:01
Jeremy Harris: I see. Yeah, well, sounds like they got out
47:05
of there safely.
47:06
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, luckily for them. Who knows what what
47:10
that cow would have done if they'd stuck around?
47:14
Jeremy Harris: Yeah, cows cows can be pretty scary.
47:17
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, especially in the dark. All right, next
47:21
story again, another animal-related one. For my
47:24
photos, I hike a long distance and pitch an open tent so that I
47:28
can get the morning light. I'm based in New Zealand, so our
47:33
forests don't have anything super dangerous that can hurt
47:36
you for the most part, besides a couple of species of spiders.
47:40
Unlike neighboring Australia, where everything will try to
47:42
kill you, on one such hike in an unconserved land, I pitched my
47:49
hoochie. First of all, what a great what a great thing! I
47:54
pitched my hoochie in between a few trees. As it got darker, I
47:58
tried to fall asleep. Around midnight, I heard a growl next
48:02
to me. It sounded, in my mind, like a panther. There have been
48:10
cases of a mysterious wild panther in New Zealand, and they
48:14
have been spotted on several occasions over the years. I
48:20
thought, oh my! I've come across one. I grab my head torch,
48:26
headlamp.
48:27
Jeremy Harris: Yeah,
48:27
Casey Fatchett: this person at least is prepared enough to have
48:29
lights, and turn the light on in the pitch black. Suddenly, I see
48:33
40 pairs of eyes looking at me through the darkness. One of the
48:39
pairs of eyes is on top of my sleeping bag, right by my feet.
48:44
Jeremy Harris: Whoa! What is it?
48:47
Casey Fatchett: It's a bunch of possums.
48:50
Jeremy Harris: Oh, I like
48:53
Casey Fatchett: throughout the night. The possums were growling
48:55
and fighting each other.
48:57
Jeremy Harris: Yeah,
48:59
Casey Fatchett: and they sound
49:00
Jeremy Harris: much bigger. They sound
49:02
Casey Fatchett: much bigger than they are. Yeah, that
49:06
Jeremy Harris: happened just just a few months ago to me to
49:09
me here in Tennessee because there's possums in Tennessee. I
49:12
was hanging out with some friends in the backyard by a
49:14
bonfire, and we were you know drinking and having a good time.
49:18
And I heard that sound coming from the woods on the other side
49:22
of this creek that he lived near, and we went to
49:25
investigate. And of course, I was the one to climb over the
49:28
fence and go down into the creek where I shined the flashlight
49:32
and I saw these two possums that were in full-on, you know, MMA
49:37
Casey Fatchett: fight mode.
49:38
Jeremy Harris: You know, fight mode, and I poked them with a
49:42
stick. I poked them so that they would stop fighting. But yeah,
49:47
they are man, really noisy. But I can imagine like being out in
49:50
the woods hearing that. Be like, holy crap! Whatever.
49:54
Casey Fatchett: I remember on a trip to Central America.
50:00
Caroline and I were on a tour of some like Mayan ruins, and this
50:06
guy who was obviously like hunter dude was like gotten a
50:11
deer out here, and the lady was running the tour was like, no,
50:17
we do not have deer. We have what you the howler monkey and
50:24
wild boar and how do you say la pantera and I was like panthers
50:31
you got panthers out here I noticed there are no fences
50:33
around the area that we're in and she's like yes you know many
50:37
people think they are black but they are actually spotted if you
50:41
look very closely, you can see the spots. I'm like, I won't be
50:43
looking very closely. Mister Deer Hunter over here can look
50:46
very closely if we have to come happen to come across La
50:49
Pantara. But speaking of animal noises that heard that
50:56
absolutely frightened me. Have you ever heard foxes mating?
51:03
Jeremy Harris: What mating?
51:04
Casey Fatchett: Foxes.
51:05
Jeremy Harris: Frogs. Foxes. Oh, foxes. Probably. Maybe. I mean,
51:10
maybe not.
51:11
Casey Fatchett: They sound like someone being murdered, like a
51:13
human being screaming.
51:16
Jeremy Harris: Yeah. No, I have not heard that, nor have I heard
51:18
a bunny being murdered either. Apparently, that's something
51:22
like.
51:23
Casey Fatchett: I had a rabbit growing up that like fell and
51:25
broke its leg, and like this, that like sound like honestly is
51:30
terrifying. It's I mean not in the same way that the foxes
51:37
foxes mating sounds like a human being screaming, and the first
51:45
time I heard it, and I was like, I was like, oh my god, like
51:49
someone's being killed, like a person is being like brutally
51:53
murdered, and somebody else was like, no, that's just foxes
51:57
having sex.
52:00
Jeremy Harris: Yeah, not nearly the same thing.
52:02
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, I was like, "Are you sure? And he's
52:04
like, "Yeah, that's that's just foxes. Don't worry about it.
52:09
Well, it would
52:10
Jeremy Harris: be really unfortunate for the person who
52:12
who was getting murdered, and they just happened to be in the
52:14
forest with foxes being mating. And I'm like, "I'm trying to get
52:19
help here. Somebody had, and the foxes are screwing everything
52:22
up. What? It's like you're walking through New York City,
52:25
and it's like hear that screaming. Someone's getting
52:27
murdered. No, that's just foxes mating.
52:29
Casey Fatchett: No, that's just a fox mating in Central Park.
52:32
It's carrying all the way back to Brooklyn. Also,
52:37
Jeremy Harris: look at YouTube that one. After YouTube, that
52:40
one. Oh, it's.
52:41
Casey Fatchett: I mean, when you when you like listen, then you
52:44
can kind of hear like, oh yeah, that doesn't sound like a
52:46
person, like doesn't quite maybe. I don't know. All right,
52:51
but moving on to the next story, and I think that you may have
52:53
actually this is another place you might have familiarity with.
52:56
Not scary, but just creepy. Back around 2014, I was into Urbex,
53:02
urban exploration. There was an abandoned mental asylum in New
53:05
Jersey that I had heard stories about. So, without better
53:09
Jeremy Harris: judgment,
53:10
Casey Fatchett: so without better judgment, we'll get to
53:11
that. Without better judgment, I decided to explore it solo
53:14
around the late evening, expecting to get out while it
53:17
was still light out. I was able to get in easily enough through
53:21
the broken basement window, and I made my way through the maze
53:25
of corridors and vacant rooms, looking for things to
53:27
photograph.
53:27
Jeremy Harris: I do. I do
53:29
Casey Fatchett: too. Most of the rooms were pretty creepy to
53:31
begin with: metal mattresses with restraints on them, chairs
53:35
bolted to the floor. Then I found the room that said OT, and
53:40
weirdly enough, the red light outside the door was glowing. It
53:45
was pretty dark inside, but I did see some light, so I made my
53:49
way in, and it had the musty smell of old chemicals in the
53:53
air. But in the corner, there was what looked like a spotlight
53:57
and an operation table with what looked like a human torso on it,
54:03
covered halfway up by a sheet, it took me a few seconds, but I
54:07
realized it was just a CPR dummy placed in a way that would scare
54:10
people who were, you know, exploring the hospital. My
54:14
general rule is that if I see stuff like this, I should make
54:17
my way out ASAP, just out of fear that there might be some
54:21
person in there looking to scare me or actually hurt me, who
54:26
might not be a very good mood since you know I stumbled upon
54:30
their space. My heart was definitely racing at this point,
54:34
but in that panic, I forgot where I was. All the while, it
54:39
was getting darker and darker outside, so there was a lot less
54:42
light streaming through the dusty windows. Then I found this
54:46
long hallway, and all the doors on either side are locked. And
54:51
there's an exit sign glowing faintly red all the way at the
54:55
end. I pretty much ran to it and tried the door, but it was. From
55:00
the outside, again I have to retrace my steps and run around
55:05
like a mad person-no pun intended-trying to find my way
55:10
out. I find more doors that are chained from the other side, and
55:14
what really got to me is I was running, my steps echoing, and
55:19
it seemed like there was someone behind me, and I know that's
55:21
what it was. It was the sound of my own footsteps, which is why
55:25
when you stop and like the footsteps following you stop
55:28
behind you. My heart still racing as I found my way out
55:32
through the same window that I had climbed in through. I got in
55:35
my car and I looked back at the building, now shown in stark
55:39
contrast with the sun almost setting behind it, and I could
55:42
see no less than five flashlights moving around
55:46
inside.
55:48
Jeremy Harris: Yeah,
55:49
Casey Fatchett: not sure if those were other explorers,
55:51
security people, or who they were, but I was not waiting
55:54
around to find out. Suffice to say, I did not go on very many
55:59
explorations after that one, yeah, that's a well. What
56:04
Overbrook,
56:07
Jeremy Harris: Overbrook? Yeah, I've never been to Overbrook,
56:09
but you know, case in point, like I said, like like I said
56:12
before, you don't go by yourself, and um, and and yes,
56:16
well, and also when you're when you're an explorer and you're
56:20
and you're in a building like that, and you're running around
56:22
with a flashlight. Kind of a dumb thing to do because people
56:24
can see you from the outside.
56:26
Casey Fatchett: Absolutely. Well, that being
56:27
Jeremy Harris: said, that being said, it might have been one of
56:29
those. I think Overbrook might have been one of those ones that
56:31
was kind of out in the middle of nowhere, and there wasn't too
56:33
many security guards. A lot of kids went there to party.
56:36
Casey Fatchett: No, Overbrook is like it is definitely where
56:39
people went to party, but it also is not in the middle of
56:41
nowhere. It's actually right near where I live right now.
56:44
It's in like a town over from me, and I mentioned this guy.
56:51
Like it's in it's in a town. It's Verona Cedar Grove, New
56:56
Jersey, and it's funny because I met somebody at the dog park,
57:01
who used to like party there, and she was like, "Oh, that
57:04
place is like it's crazy. It's you know like I think it's
57:07
haunted. Like it like that. I also heard uh like a lot of
57:11
stories about. I didn't put it together until afterwards. I was
57:16
listening to Dollop, which is I don't know if you're familiar
57:19
with that podcast, where they were talking about the guy who
57:25
sort of popularized lobotomies as treatment, was there, and
57:34
there were a lot of unnecessary lobotomies that were performed
57:38
in that hospital. Oh,
57:40
Jeremy Harris: you bet, yeah,
57:41
Casey Fatchett: yeah. So there's a lot of like you're thinking
57:43
about probably a place. If the if there is a location that is
57:49
probably haunted, that would probably be one of them. As
57:52
people who were like, I mean, just the experiments this guy
57:55
did on people, like thinking that he was just like paving the
58:01
way for you know like these people who just needed to be you
58:04
know sedated in some way, and he's like, oh, you know,
58:08
hysterical women who you know having the just yeah we're gonna
58:13
lobotomize them. Look how much you know more subservient they
58:16
are now. Just a lot of crazy unnecessary things that this guy
58:21
did, and so when you think about it, if there was a place that
58:26
was haunted, that would probably be you know one of them, right?
58:29
Like a lot of people who died horribly or were mistreated. So,
58:35
what do you think happened to Overbrook Asylum?
58:42
Jeremy Harris: What do I think? What happened at Overbrook
58:44
Asylum?
58:45
Casey Fatchett: Yes, like what has happened to the campus of
58:48
Overbrook Asylum?
58:50
Jeremy Harris: You know, I that's the one. It's funny
58:52
because I I never visited that one. Of all the places that I
58:54
went in New Jersey, I didn't go to Oberlook for whatever reason.
58:57
I'm not quite sure why. It
58:58
Casey Fatchett: was still up when I moved to New Jersey, it
59:03
was still there, and it looked creepy as hell. Like driving by
59:07
it, and I had said to Caroline, "Like, you know, I should come
59:09
out here maybe and like take some pictures. But you couldn't
59:15
really get in. Like I like went and looked. It was like it was
59:17
really secured at that point because it looked like the
59:20
buildings were like falling apart. They tore it all down,
59:25
and they've built condos on top of it.
59:28
Jeremy Harris: Oh yeah, yeah. Just that was a really good one,
59:30
and it was a really good one. Graystown State Hospital. Yeah,
59:33
that we used to get in into a window. That was was that
59:38
Middletown, Middletown, I think. Yeah, that was a really fun one
59:42
to get into, but yeah, Walter Freeman, the lobotomist, he
59:47
toured around all those asylums, and he had good intentions. That
59:50
guy, you know.
59:52
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, but still, but of
59:56
Jeremy Harris: all the places, you know, I've I've I've been to
59:57
so many of those places, and like I said before. Like I've
1:00:00
always wanted to see a ghost, and I was always open to the
1:00:03
possibility, but I just I never really, never, never really saw
1:00:07
one.
1:00:08
Casey Fatchett: Now my thought on my thought on that is like if
1:00:11
there's going to be a place that's haunted, that would
1:00:13
probably be it. And now you've like totally set yourself up for
1:00:17
a you know like not poltergeist situation, like just building
1:00:23
like condo upon condo. It's like a sprawling, like complex of
1:00:28
condos, like on top of this. You know, this. Do they tell people?
1:00:35
Like, oh yeah, this was the site of a you know asylum where we.
1:00:41
we unnecessarily lobotomized a whole bunch of people. So if you
1:00:46
are well, there's a
1:00:46
Jeremy Harris: famous there's a famous one in Massachusetts,
1:00:50
Danvers, the Danver State Hospital, or the first one that
1:00:53
got me into it through that movie, Session Nine. If you've
1:00:55
heard from Session Nine, yep. Which that one they just removed
1:01:00
the guts of the building and kept the facade and turned it
1:01:03
into condos, and so everybody is aware of the history of it, and
1:01:06
it still more or less looks like it did on the outside. And I've
1:01:11
always wanted to go visit. I've had friends that have gone to
1:01:13
visit it as condos and taking pictures of it. You know, I
1:01:17
don't know. I mean, I like I said, I'm very skeptical about
1:01:20
things like that, I don't discount people's experiences,
1:01:23
but I think you know. I don't. I don't. From what I've heard, the
1:01:30
the current Danvers State Hospital slash condos, they
1:01:33
haven't. There's no casey hauntings or any weird things
1:01:37
going on there. So, but I, you know, but then there's the
1:01:40
Buffalo State Hospital too in in Buffalo New York they turned
1:01:43
that one the administration and a couple of the wards on each
1:01:47
side they turned that into a really boutique hotel which was
1:01:51
doing really good and I was happy for them because they
1:01:54
restored the whole thing but since COVID they had to shut
1:01:56
down but that's another one where it's like oh man I would
1:01:59
fully love to go to spend the night in there because I I had
1:02:01
spent the night in there, and one of the wards before they
1:02:04
restored it for the hotel. So it's like now that we can go in
1:02:07
there and actually rent a room for the night. That's that's
1:02:10
pretty awesome. But yeah, same thing. I don't. I don't think it
1:02:13
haunted.
1:02:14
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, I mean, I went to a hotel in New Orleans
1:02:17
once, and they handed us the keys, and the keys were like
1:02:22
everybody had like different sort of keys, like to each room.
1:02:26
And I was like, "What's up with that? And like the clerk was
1:02:28
just like, "Unless to confuse the ghosts, and was just like,
1:02:31
"It was like a completely a throwaway.
1:02:34
Jeremy Harris: Yeah.
1:02:36
Casey Fatchett: Like this is just something, like whatever.
1:02:38
Like it was. It wasn't like I'm giving you the spooky thing. It
1:02:41
was just like, no, it's just to confuse the ghosts, and I was
1:02:44
like,
1:02:44
Jeremy Harris: yeah,
1:02:45
Casey Fatchett: okay, all right. Oh, but you know, it
1:02:49
Jeremy Harris: becomes it becomes it becomes a way to sell
1:02:51
tickets as a folklore, make it to making things a little more
1:02:54
interesting.
1:02:55
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, but I don't like. She didn't like say
1:02:57
it in such a way like, oh, like blah blah blah, like oh, it's
1:03:00
just confused. The ghost. She was just like she was looking at
1:03:03
her stuff and just like said it like, and unless you asked, like
1:03:07
they didn't bring, like nobody was bringing it up. I was just
1:03:09
like, what's the deal with like the keys? And she was like, oh
1:03:15
yeah, like, but that was also a thing. Like, there's a Gillette
1:03:17
Mansion up in Connecticut, which yeah was built by. Have you ever
1:03:21
been there? Was built by William Gillette, the first guy to play
1:03:25
Sherlock Holmes.
1:03:26
Jeremy Harris: Not, yeah, not been there.
1:03:29
Casey Fatchett: He built this castle, and it's really just
1:03:33
kind of amazing. He had built like a little steam train that
1:03:39
went from the river up to the top of the mountain, where like
1:03:43
the castle is, there were like secret passages so that he could
1:03:47
either get out of the house, like when people showed up that
1:03:50
he didn't want to talk to, or he could show up behind them on the
1:03:53
stairs and surprise them out in front of his house. He could
1:03:56
just like pop out behind them, but he had mirrors set up so
1:03:59
that he could see people in every room. Like if the door was
1:04:02
open, he could see into the rooms. Yeah. Um, he had puzzle
1:04:09
locks on every door.
1:04:12
Jeremy Harris: Wow! Instead
1:04:12
Casey Fatchett: of keys, which supposedly was because he didn't
1:04:16
want ghosts getting into like getting into the rooms.
1:04:26
Jeremy Harris: Hey hey! And now for my favorite part of the
1:04:29
show, what's that say? Useless information. This is always
1:04:36
death.
1:04:37
Casey Fatchett: All right. So our useless information for this
1:04:39
episode before modern psychoanalysis and medications,
1:04:44
doctors weren't sure how to treat mentally ill patients, and
1:04:47
often restrained them in jacket-like garments with
1:04:49
overlong sleeves, the straitjacket. The establishment
1:04:55
of asylums gained momentum in the early 1800s, and along with
1:04:58
them, the use of the strat. Jacket. Do you know what some of
1:05:02
the reasons given by actual doctors for using a straitjacket
1:05:06
on patients were in those times? Any thoughts?
1:05:13
Jeremy Harris: Do I know what straitjackets were used for on
1:05:16
patients?
1:05:16
Casey Fatchett: Yeah, like what some of the the the symptoms or
1:05:19
whatever for warranting the use of a straitjacket.
1:05:24
Jeremy Harris: Oh, schizophrenia! Like like any
1:05:26
kind of violent behavior. Hopefully, they need to keep
1:05:31
being keep them restrained from you know masturbation.
1:05:35
Casey Fatchett: Here, chronic
1:05:35
Jeremy Harris: masturbation.
1:05:37
Casey Fatchett: Three prominent reasons were religious
1:05:41
excitement.
1:05:43
Jeremy Harris: Oh yeah,
1:05:45
Casey Fatchett: sunstroke and reading novels.
1:05:52
Jeremy Harris: Reading novels, and this is they would restrain
1:05:55
people who had sunstroke. Interesting. Yeah, or we've come
1:05:58
a long way.
1:05:59
Casey Fatchett: Reading too many books. Reading too many books,
1:06:02
you can't. We gotta, we gotta put that person in a
1:06:04
straitjacket so they can't hold a book and read it.
1:06:07
Jeremy Harris: That makes that makes sense. I personally am
1:06:09
more in chronic masturbation. Yeah, theory, but
1:06:14
Casey Fatchett: Jeremy, thank you very much for coming on. It
1:06:16
was a pleasure to talk to you again.
1:06:17
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Jeremy Harris: All right, all right, talk to you
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