Latest / Stuff Mom Never Told You / Feminists Around the World: Fahima Hashim
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- 0:05Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff
- 0:07Speaker 1: I'll Never tell, your production of iHeartRadio.
- 0:18Speaker 2: And welcome to today's activists around the world. My voice
- 0:21Speaker 2: is back kind of. I think it's not a little gruff. Yeah, yeah,
- 0:26Speaker 2: that's not the word, but it's much better than what
- 0:28Speaker 2: it was last week. And for today's activists around the world,
- 0:32Speaker 2: I am going to put a quick content warning. We're
- 0:34Speaker 2: not talking deep into actual situations, but there is mention
- 0:38Speaker 2: of rape and violeness against women, war, famine, all the
- 0:43Speaker 2: bad things that are happening around the world and even
- 0:46Speaker 2: even in the US. So we are actually talking about
- 0:49Speaker 2: the works of Sudanese activists Fahima Hashim. And if you
- 0:54Speaker 2: are listening to all the horrible things that is happening,
- 0:57Speaker 2: you know that there's a lot going on in Sudan
- 1:01Speaker 2: with the atrocities happening there currently, that's been happening there
- 1:05Speaker 2: for a while now. Like I hate to be the
- 1:08Speaker 2: ignorant person here, but I am, because there's so much
- 1:11Speaker 2: that happens and it has happened in happening in Sudan
- 1:15Speaker 2: with the help of a lot of imperilist fascist regimes
- 1:21Speaker 2: that wouldn't consider them themselves regimes hello us that have
- 1:26Speaker 2: helped cause these atrocities that I honestly did not and
- 1:30Speaker 2: still do not completely understand what is happening. But what
- 1:33Speaker 2: I do know is that it is horrific and it
- 1:36Speaker 2: needs to be talked about, and we need to bring
- 1:38Speaker 2: more and more attention to it, and we need to
- 1:41Speaker 2: be talking about it. So that's what we're gonna do
- 1:43Speaker 2: with this specific episode, and talking and celebrating the works
- 1:48Speaker 2: of people like Hashim. So currently the situation is horrifying.
- 1:53Speaker 2: This is from a recent Guardian article as in like
- 1:55Speaker 2: published yesterday. I believe they say the city of Al
- 1:59Speaker 2: Fasher and the for region of Sudan besieged by their
- 2:02Speaker 2: Rapid Support Forces RSF fell to the militia group last
- 2:06Speaker 2: week and what was followed is a catastrophe. Mass killings
- 2:09Speaker 2: are underway. There are reports that in one maternity hospital alone,
- 2:14Speaker 2: almost five hundred people patients and their families were killed.
- 2:18Speaker 2: The few that managed to escape tell of summary executions
- 2:21Speaker 2: of civilians. The RSF has embarked on a killing spree
- 2:24Speaker 2: of civilians so severe that the images of blood saturating
- 2:27Speaker 2: the ground have been picked up by satellite. The speed
- 2:31Speaker 2: and intensity of the killings in the immediate aftermath of
- 2:33Speaker 2: the fall of Alfashaer has already been compared by war
- 2:37Speaker 2: monitors to the first twenty four hours of the Rwandan genocide. Again,
- 2:41Speaker 2: this was written the third of November of twenty twenty five,
- 2:45Speaker 2: and that article continues saying millions have been displaced and
- 2:49Speaker 2: estimated one hundred and fifty thousand have been killed and
- 2:51Speaker 2: more than thirty million people now need urgent humanitarian assistance.
- 2:56Speaker 2: These staggering statistics still not fully tell the story of
- 2:59Speaker 2: Sudan's tragedy, the country's rapid unraveling, the destruction of its infrastructure,
- 3:05Speaker 2: or the particularly merciless way the URSF has conducted its
- 3:09Speaker 2: campaign and DARF. A lot of bad things are happening,
- 3:13Speaker 2: and there's so many tragedies around the world that it's
- 3:16Speaker 2: hard to focus on one. But again we don't want
- 3:18Speaker 2: to use that as an excuse, and we will take
- 3:21Speaker 2: every opportunity that we can to talk about these situations.
- 3:25Speaker 2: And as per history, women have been facing some of
- 3:28Speaker 2: the most violent attacks during this chaos, and people like
- 3:32Speaker 2: Wahima Hashim has been trying to advocate to protect the
- 3:35Speaker 2: women and marginalized people in Sudan with the help of others,
- 3:39Speaker 2: of course. So from a You and Women's article they
- 3:41Speaker 2: write during the last twenty years, Sudanese women have been
- 3:45Speaker 2: trained in negotiations and mediations, not because this was a
- 3:48Speaker 2: favorable subject for them, but because we've had so many
- 3:51Speaker 2: crisis that's Saza Bala al Mahadi, the Sudan country director
- 3:56Speaker 2: for the Center for International Private Enterprise. So I'm trying
- 4:00Speaker 2: to pick up as many articles as we can to
- 4:03Speaker 2: do all these research to have this conversation. Some of
- 4:05Speaker 2: these may be dated because this conflict has been happening
- 4:09Speaker 2: for a while. The RSF has been there for a
- 4:11Speaker 2: long while and it's kind of hit another major crisis,
- 4:16Speaker 2: I guess. So I believe that article was more recent
- 4:20Speaker 2: because the UN do try to help and have this
- 4:22Speaker 2: conversation more often. But yes, so a lot of these
- 4:25Speaker 2: issues not only include the war crimes and atrocities, but
- 4:28Speaker 2: also the humanitarian needs that they've been facing from the jump.
- 4:32Speaker 2: So again from the UIT article, women can't find access
- 4:35Speaker 2: to a hospital to give birth, they can't have access
- 4:38Speaker 2: to a refrigerator to store fresh blood for them when
- 4:40Speaker 2: they are facing death. El Mahati said in the Time
- 4:43Speaker 2: of the war. Women are not necessarily killed because of
- 4:45Speaker 2: bullets or bombs. They're killed by having less access to
- 4:48Speaker 2: basic social needs. The two crises, women's lack of political
- 4:52Speaker 2: empowerment to resolve the conflict and the steep humanitarian challenges
- 4:55Speaker 2: they face, can compound one another. Almahati said, these are
- 5:00Speaker 2: practical issues. You cannot talk about women playing a role
- 5:03Speaker 2: in a peace building process or in a political resolution
- 5:05Speaker 2: if they are lacking basic life needs, if they are
- 5:08Speaker 2: at stake of living or dying. She said, there are
- 5:11Speaker 2: no hospitals, no food, no water, no electricity, and then
- 5:14Speaker 2: you ask them to be part of the political conversation
- 5:17Speaker 2: that sometimes not realistic. You need to fulfill the basic
- 5:20Speaker 2: human need. So again, there's so many things happening that
- 5:23Speaker 2: they can't even continue with just trying for peace and
- 5:27Speaker 2: trying for human dignity and not to be shot or
- 5:32Speaker 2: any of these things. They're trying to live by getting food,
- 5:34Speaker 2: by getting hospital care, by getting medical care. And Hashim
- 5:39Speaker 2: again has been a part of this conversation for a
- 5:41Speaker 2: long time. She was able to start the Selma Women's
- 5:43Speaker 2: Center in nineteen ninety seven, and her work has been
- 5:46Speaker 2: credited with helping to bring attention to the needs for
- 5:49Speaker 2: women's rights in Sudan. She's been working with a lot
- 5:53Speaker 2: of international organizations, specifically through that organization, to document and
- 5:57Speaker 2: bring in a lot of resources. So from an interview
- 6:00Speaker 2: with a Nobelwomen's Initiative dot org, she talked about her
- 6:03Speaker 2: work with the Salama Women's Resource Center. They write, at
- 6:06Speaker 2: the Salama Women's Resource Center, we had two main areas
- 6:09Speaker 2: of work. One was the prevention of violence against women
- 6:12Speaker 2: and the other one was peace building. We had to
- 6:15Speaker 2: navigate in context where it was very difficult to work
- 6:18Speaker 2: on these issues. We needed to figure out how we
- 6:20Speaker 2: could work on these issues and not jeopardize the women
- 6:22Speaker 2: we work with as well as our own organization. The
- 6:26Speaker 2: environment was very complicated, the political situation was not conducive
- 6:30Speaker 2: to do any kind of work on issues of violence
- 6:33Speaker 2: against women or issues of peace. The government was not
- 6:35Speaker 2: interested in changing its policies or even bringing these issues
- 6:38Speaker 2: to the surface. And again she talks about all the
- 6:43Speaker 2: things that they did and they I actually were able
- 6:45Speaker 2: to last us a lot longer, I think than people
- 6:48Speaker 2: thought they could. But again the way they ended was
- 6:50Speaker 2: kind of volatile. Mahima Hashim talks about her journey into
- 7:04Speaker 2: feminism and how she kind of realized this is what
- 7:07Speaker 2: she wanted and why this was important to her, so
- 7:10Speaker 2: she talks with voices, inexiles, dot ca. From my cultural context,
- 7:14Speaker 2: family is the most important thing, and it is typically
- 7:17Speaker 2: determined based on blood relations alone. Feminism has brought me
- 7:21Speaker 2: a larger, richer, and more diverse chosen family, an alternative
- 7:25Speaker 2: family based on shared values of love, acceptance, an inclusion
- 7:29Speaker 2: that do not depend on nationality, blood, gender identity, sexual identity, religious,
- 7:34Speaker 2: or political affiliation. I have personally experienced the individual transformative
- 7:38Speaker 2: power of this type of family and the collective power
- 7:40Speaker 2: that it generates for transformative change in our society. For her,
- 7:45Speaker 2: a feminist approach is ultimately always about transformative change, whether
- 7:49Speaker 2: at the political, cultural, familial, or individual level or all
- 7:53Speaker 2: four and learning is at the heart of any transformative journey.
- 7:57Speaker 2: Feminist change is inherently transformative. It is creative and life
- 8:02Speaker 2: giving because it depends on diversity, deep listening, deep caring, tolerance, creativity,
- 8:07Speaker 2: and the openness and excitement to be surprised by where
- 8:10Speaker 2: you land on how you land to get there. And
- 8:12Speaker 2: I loved her explanation of what feminism was for her,
- 8:18Speaker 2: and I think it's such a beautiful way to see it,
- 8:19Speaker 2: and we need to talk more about how it does
- 8:21Speaker 2: bring this allowance of chosen family and bring this diversity
- 8:26Speaker 2: and creativity and power if you truly get to tap
- 8:29Speaker 2: into what is supposed to be. So during this time,
- 8:33Speaker 2: she was able to use her master's degree for documentary
- 8:36Speaker 2: and Library Sciences which hello, we love to talk about
- 8:39Speaker 2: the issues within the government. She with the help of
- 8:42Speaker 2: different organizations and that organization used media to highlight the
- 8:46Speaker 2: issues happening in that country. She was able to train
- 8:49Speaker 2: and conduct workshops to help women advocate for themselves as well.
- 8:53Speaker 2: And this is from one Billion Rising dot Org, which
- 8:56Speaker 2: is one of the organizations that she has worked with
- 8:58Speaker 2: and she is a part of. Bahema's professional experience includes
- 9:02Speaker 2: over two decades of leading training, workshops, campaigns, and research
- 9:06Speaker 2: focused on the prevention of gender based violence, including violence
- 9:10Speaker 2: against women, and the broader promotion of women's rights. She
- 9:13Speaker 2: has coordinated and facilitated feminist transformative leadership courses, designed curricula,
- 9:18Speaker 2: and mentored more than one hundred young feminists from Sudan, Egypt, Palestine,
- 9:22Speaker 2: Kenya and Liberia, building capacity and fostering collective feminist action
- 9:27Speaker 2: which we love to see. We love it, and her
- 9:30Speaker 2: works brought her quite a bit of attention, including from
- 9:34Speaker 2: the Sudanese government Albashir, who was the leader at the time.
- 9:39Speaker 2: As she and the organization tried to work with the
- 9:41Speaker 2: government by increasing international pressure, the government actually shut down
- 9:45Speaker 2: the organization. So this is from that same article with
- 9:48Speaker 2: voices in exile dot Ca. Alsama's success were recognized internationally.
- 9:54Speaker 2: They worked with partners from across the globe. They were
- 9:56Speaker 2: the lead organizers for cartoon based International Women's Bay si Lebration,
- 10:00Speaker 2: one Billion Rising, gatherings and campaigns related to the sixteen
- 10:04Speaker 2: Days of Action against Gender Violence. The center also played
- 10:08Speaker 2: a leading role in researching, documenting, and disseminating knowledge on
- 10:11Speaker 2: women's rights and human rights in Sudan. However, on Tuesday,
- 10:15Speaker 2: June twenty fourth, twenty fourteen, without warning, due process or explanation,
- 10:21Speaker 2: the Studentinese government shut down SAMAS Center, closing its offices,
- 10:24Speaker 2: confiscating equipment and impounding its vehicles. So they took everything
- 10:29Speaker 2: and there was at that time. I believe that she
- 10:31Speaker 2: relocated and I believe she's currently in Canada, Ottawa area.
- 10:36Speaker 2: Now not for sure, I'm sure she is noted somewhere
- 10:41Speaker 2: and from there she's been working continuously to advocate for
- 10:44Speaker 2: the women and the people of Sudan. She's currently on
- 10:47Speaker 2: the board of the d Doria Feminist Fund DFF, which
- 10:50Speaker 2: is a feminist fund quote that strengthens activists, institutions and
- 10:54Speaker 2: movements through grant making, capacity sharing, convening spaces, mutual solidarity
- 10:58Speaker 2: and support. Ensures that feminist movements have been sufficient and
- 11:02Speaker 2: flexible resources to identify and determine priorities, independently, develop and
- 11:07Speaker 2: sustain their activism, produce knowledge by and for their constituencies,
- 11:11Speaker 2: and advocate for the rights for all women and LGBTQI
- 11:15Speaker 2: plus individuals and groups in their countries. So this was
- 11:19Speaker 2: actually from Dorafeminist Fund dot org, so you can go
- 11:22Speaker 2: check them out, and I believe she's a part of
- 11:24Speaker 2: other organizations as well similar to that. But she has
- 11:26Speaker 2: been going strong and continuing to have this conversation. Obviously,
- 11:32Speaker 2: that is a small glimpse of a giant amount of
- 11:35Speaker 2: work that she has done, and we will continue to
- 11:37Speaker 2: talk about Sudanese activists and what is happening there as well.
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