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Dumb Stuff That Pilots (Sometimes) Do - The FLYER Show - 29th October 2026 · Flyer Magazine

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SPEAKER_00: 3, 2.
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SPEAKER_05: This is the Fly Showing Podcast form from the team at Flyer.
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SPEAKER_05: It's your weekly dose of general aviation news, views, and flying chat.
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SPEAKER_05: In this episode, we're looking at not so much airmanship but the way we behave on the ground.
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SPEAKER_05: Dumb things that pilots like us sometimes, but probably like everyone else, can do.
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SPEAKER_05: Um so there's the usual observations, digressions, and opinions from the team.
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SPEAKER_05: If you like aeroplanes, airfields, airspace, and the world that surrounds them, you're in the right place.
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SPEAKER_05: Hello and welcome to this week's Flyer Show from a lovely Wadsweg.
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SPEAKER_05: My name's Ian Steeger.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm EdHicks, and I'm Dave Corderwood.
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SPEAKER_05: This week on The Flyer Show, we'll be talking about the dumb stuff that pilots do, not when they're flying so much, but when they're on the ground.
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SPEAKER_05: Um, but before we do that, we should say a huge thank you to Sky Demon for supporting this.
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SPEAKER_05: Thank you very much, Sky Demon.
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SPEAKER_05: Here is this week's tip.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Rob from Sky Demon, and here's another top tip.
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SPEAKER_01: The mapping menu, accessed here in the bottom right corner of the screen, is where you go if you want to customize the main chart in Sky Demon.
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SPEAKER_01: Under terrain and surface features, you have the option to turn on roads, choosing between just motorways or all roads, bearing in mind that these will vary by zoom level.
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SPEAKER_01: You can also turn on railways here.
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SPEAKER_01: Here you could turn off the names of geographical features like rivers and mountain ranges.
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SPEAKER_01: Under Airspace, you may decide to turn off either flight information regions or for FIS boundaries if they are of no use to you.
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SPEAKER_01: Under Airfields and Waypoints, some people like to add airfield identifiers to their maps, which then appear next to the name.
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SPEAKER_01: You can also choose to show radio navigation aids, which are hidden by default, or airways reporting points, which some people like to use as turning points, even in VFR flights.
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SPEAKER_01: Under Aircraft Specific, you have the opportunity to turn on various sorts of helicopter landing sites or airspace and waypoints that are useful only to glider pilots.
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SPEAKER_01: At the bottom of the mapping menu, you have the opportunity to change the size of both waypoints and text on the map.
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SPEAKER_01: Depending on your eyesight, you may find it valuable to increase one or both of these.
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SPEAKER_01: For more information, check out our website www.skydemon.ero.
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SPEAKER_06: So there you go.
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SPEAKER_06: Configure the map the way you want it.
2:40
SPEAKER_06: That's amazing.
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SPEAKER_06: And it's not the um it's not the the basket of everything that the CAA chart is.
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SPEAKER_05: No, CA chart users, how do you configure your map to suit you?
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SPEAKER_03: I quite like the CAA chart and I like it north up as well.
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unknown: Sorry.
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SPEAKER_05: Sometimes there's just no hope, is there?
2:57
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
2:58
SPEAKER_05: Right.
2:59
SPEAKER_05: Should we have some news?
3:00
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
3:00
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
3:01
SPEAKER_05: Who's first?
3:02
SPEAKER_05: Okay, I'm first.
3:02
SPEAKER_05: I'm first.
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SPEAKER_05: So there's a new airplane to talk about.
3:04
SPEAKER_05: Um who knows the name Tom Hamilton?
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SPEAKER_05: Ring any bells?
3:07
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
3:08
SPEAKER_05: All right.
3:08
SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm not surprised you know I know Tom Hamilton.
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SPEAKER_06: What has he done then?
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SPEAKER_06: Well, he is famous in my world, and that's home built aviation, for uh the Stoddard Hamilton Glass Air aircraft and the Glass Star.
3:21
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
3:22
SPEAKER_03: He's also famous, very famous, for the Quest Kodiak.
3:24
SPEAKER_05: The Quest Kodiak 100, absolutely, yeah.
3:26
SPEAKER_05: And and and there's little things, well, he he's he formed, I think, Aeroset float, so he knows all about and still makes those.
3:32
SPEAKER_05: And still makes those, absolutely.
3:33
SPEAKER_05: So he's come up with this new aircraft, um, which is called the AC six.
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SPEAKER_05: Uh it looks effectively just like a Kodiak, but it's built.
3:42
SPEAKER_06: It does look an awful lot like a Kodiak.
3:44
SPEAKER_05: So it's got a it's got a steel tubular, I say it's got, it's only an image at the moment.
3:47
SPEAKER_05: It's got a steel tubular fuse large composite panels to make removing it and stuff like that easier.
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SPEAKER_05: I think he probably did the Kodiak.
3:54
SPEAKER_05: That company got sold.
3:55
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
3:56
SPEAKER_05: Uh and this is probably the things he he wishes he'd done at the Kodiak at the beginning, I remember.
3:59
SPEAKER_06: I I I'm sure there are when aircraft designers design aircraft, they go, you know, if I did this again next time, I'd do it differently.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_05: So Tom Hamilton is a is is I think we can I think so as not to offend anybody, we'll call him a devout Christian.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay.
4:14
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: Um and I think because of that, he's he his company's called Reach Aviation.
4:18
SPEAKER_05: Right.
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SPEAKER_05: Um and this particular Kodiak, I was gonna say, shouldn't say that, this specific the AC six, uh, when it comes about is aimed really at missionary work and other people who want to do commercial stuff in the bush.
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SPEAKER_03: Which is what the Quest Kodiak was originally.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_05: If you look carefully inside the Quest Kodiak, I don't know if they do it now, but at one point, um the the builders would put little scripture references uh in magic marker pens on the inside of some of the panels.
4:44
SPEAKER_05: Oh really?
4:44
SPEAKER_05: But you can kind of like I can see that in there.
4:46
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: Maybe they still do, maybe they don't.
4:49
SPEAKER_05: Who knows?
4:49
SPEAKER_05: Who knows?
4:50
SPEAKER_05: So anyway, carry eight or nine people, um, one thousand three hundred and sixty pounds useful load is what they're aiming at, which is three thousand pounds.
4:57
SPEAKER_05: Did I say pounds?
4:58
SPEAKER_05: I meant kilograms.
4:58
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
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SPEAKER_05: Three thousand pounds.
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SPEAKER_05: Um they hope initially it's going to be powered by a PC six, seven hundred and fifty shaft horsepower, which is pretty much that's your your power plant of choice.
5:09
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, power plant of choice, and a large portion of the cost will be sitting in there.
5:14
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
5:14
SPEAKER_05: Um and that should that should drive it along.
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SPEAKER_05: They're hoping for 170 knots and maybe 800 nautical miles with reserves.
5:21
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
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SPEAKER_05: So, yeah, not not bad, not bad.
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SPEAKER_05: Interestingly, 229 metres to take off and get above the the 50-foot tree that everyone's got at the end of their runway.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay.
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SPEAKER_05: And 200 something like 219 metres to land.
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SPEAKER_05: So that's very, very stole.
5:35
SPEAKER_05: That is.
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SPEAKER_05: Um, staller than a lot of other things.
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SPEAKER_05: Or that's that's a quoted thing in the news story.
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SPEAKER_05: It's unknown, because I mean the figures they do say the figures are kind of our target.
5:46
SPEAKER_05: So we have to.
5:48
SPEAKER_05: We haven't actually met we haven't actually made anything yet.
5:51
SPEAKER_05: And they also say they're looking for funds, so if you fancy funding it.
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SPEAKER_05: So far be it from me to suggest that some of the figures are are there to generate interest, but you know, what that that's what you do, isn't it?
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SPEAKER_05: That's aviation.
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SPEAKER_05: Interestingly, yeah, he's got a V12 diesel planned for it.
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SPEAKER_06: Which he's part of.
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SPEAKER_06: Um Ascent engine technologies.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, a V12.
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SPEAKER_06: It's a it's a V12.
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SPEAKER_06: Because it's easy to read the story and go, oh, V12, that's gonna be the red V12 diesel.
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SPEAKER_06: But no, it's his own.
6:19
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: I mean, you know, building an building a new piston engine for aircraft, whether it's diesel or or Avgas, is not easy.
6:27
SPEAKER_05: Certifying it's not easy, integrating it is not easy.
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SPEAKER_05: A V12 diesel is not gonna be a lightweight aircraft.
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SPEAKER_05: And not as lightweight as the PC six for sure.
6:35
SPEAKER_06: No, and the whole argument of going, oh well you can use Jet A.
6:38
SPEAKER_06: Well the PT6 does that anyway.
6:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I think the argument is that the uh the piston engine will use less fuel, be more economical than a turbo turboprop.
6:48
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
6:49
SPEAKER_05: Um and the price for the turboprop, the target price, I should say, for the turboprop version is two point two five million.
6:55
SPEAKER_05: Which if you say it quickly, it's not that much actually if it's wrong like that.
6:58
SPEAKER_05: In the grand scheme of costs of things nowadays, yeah.
7:03
SPEAKER_05: Dollar per bible transported.
7:05
SPEAKER_05: Is probably a good equation.
7:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
7:07
SPEAKER_05: It's probably a good equation.
7:08
SPEAKER_05: So anyway, I mean it's good to see someone with such a track record coming up with something new.
7:13
SPEAKER_05: It's not, you know, because there are tons of these things that we see.
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SPEAKER_05: And and some mostly from people that we've never heard of or actually don't say they won't succeed, but someone with the track record.
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SPEAKER_06: I do like the whole building for maintenance or designing for maintenance.
7:27
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
7:27
SPEAKER_06: You know, because we've all been we've all had to deal with a maintenance task where we're like, oh, it's down there, and I I how am I gonna get to that?
7:34
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, I think that's good.
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SPEAKER_05: Apparently, the the aim is like within a couple of hours the AMPs and stuff on the ground can just whip the covers off and have access to control runs, hydraulics, fuel lines, and everything else, which is fantastic, really.
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SPEAKER_05: Yep.
7:45
SPEAKER_05: Fantastic.
7:46
SPEAKER_05: And makes it much easier to repair as well.
7:48
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
7:48
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
7:49
SPEAKER_06: Very good.
7:50
SPEAKER_06: There you go.
7:50
SPEAKER_06: So that's my story.
7:52
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
7:52
SPEAKER_06: Me next.
7:53
SPEAKER_06: You next.
7:54
SPEAKER_06: Um and this is a very this is a a historic Manhattan Heliport landing, and not by a helicopter, but by the Electra EL2, which is the blown stall lift aeroplane from Electra.
8:06
SPEAKER_06: Um, you've seen it, it's got multiple motors on the wings.
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SPEAKER_06: Um, really neat aeroplane, this.
8:12
SPEAKER_06: And we looked at the if you look at the dimensions of the Manhattan Heliport, I think it's 105 meters.
8:18
SPEAKER_06: Um it's not it's not a big space.
8:20
SPEAKER_06: And Electra are they've they're bid they're kind of betting their future on developing an aeroplane that does point-to-point travel.
8:29
SPEAKER_06: So moves they they're saying we can move people from s from small areas.
8:34
SPEAKER_06: Um so any basically, you know, a football field or something could be an airport.
8:38
SPEAKER_06: Um, and they're going, that's going to shave time off travel for people rather than having to go to big airports all the time.
8:45
SPEAKER_06: So um uh it's I think it's a really interesting airplane.
8:49
SPEAKER_06: It's it's got a um a turbo generator in the nose.
8:53
SPEAKER_06: Um interestingly, the wing on the on the technology demonstrator is derived from a Cessna 172.
8:59
SPEAKER_06: Is it?
8:59
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, didn't know that, did you?
9:01
SPEAKER_06: I didn't know that.
9:01
SPEAKER_06: Not bad wings, the old 172s.
9:03
SPEAKER_06: I know, yeah.
9:04
SPEAKER_06: Um and lift-off speed is 30 to 35 knots, so really low.
9:08
SPEAKER_06: Um and I think if you you there's some footage of it flying, and this thing can fly.
9:13
SPEAKER_06: Blown lift is really quite clever because all of a sudden you're not relying on speed to make the wing work.
9:19
SPEAKER_06: You're blowing air over it all the time.
9:21
SPEAKER_06: And that can carry some negatives because your um that can affect your drag, but there's clever science in where they put the nacelles and things.
9:29
SPEAKER_06: All science is clever.
9:30
SPEAKER_06: I know, yeah.
9:31
SPEAKER_06: To to minimize drag and maximise lift.
9:34
SPEAKER_06: And so I'm I know this is this is quirky, but I'm a big fan.
9:39
SPEAKER_05: You're a big fan.
9:40
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and I think this is a blown lift cub in your future.
9:42
SPEAKER_06: I would you know, cu um cubcrafters did it uh a few years ago.
9:46
SPEAKER_06: They they have they they clearly sunseted it, and I'm not sure what that tells us.
9:51
SPEAKER_06: Um but there's I I do find the whole blown lift thing quite interesting.
9:55
SPEAKER_03: So what happens with, for instance, you have a complete power failure, yeah, and all of those blown lift electric motors stop dead, creating massive amounts of drag.
10:04
SPEAKER_03: You're just gonna fall out of the sky, aren't you?
10:06
SPEAKER_06: I know, but at least that makes force landing easy because you're going, I'm going down there.
10:12
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
10:12
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
10:13
SPEAKER_05: It's interesting, isn't it?
10:14
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
10:15
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
10:16
SPEAKER_05: So back to the real world.
10:17
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
10:18
SPEAKER_03: So am I doing the next story?
10:21
SPEAKER_03: Back to the real world.
10:22
SPEAKER_03: Back to the real world, yes.
10:23
SPEAKER_03: More free money.
10:24
SPEAKER_03: Uh last week we talked about£40,000 worth of free flying available with scholarships from the uh the coachmakers.
10:31
SPEAKER_03: This week there's a news of seven people receiving scholarships from a new charity called Helping Dreams Take Flight.
10:38
SPEAKER_03: So we thought it was about time we updated our list of available scholarships.
10:42
SPEAKER_03: So there's quite a lot out there.
10:43
SPEAKER_03: Huge amounts.
10:44
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
10:44
SPEAKER_03: And just whiz through them.
10:45
SPEAKER_03: We'll have full details on the website.
10:47
SPEAKER_03: Honourable Company of Air Pilots, uh, they have several types of uh scholarships available.
10:53
SPEAKER_03: They're usually open in November and or December and are awarded early in the new year.
10:58
SPEAKER_03: The Air League opens at about the same time.
11:01
SPEAKER_03: They have more than 120 aviation scholarships and bursaries.
11:05
SPEAKER_03: That's a huge number.
11:06
SPEAKER_03: The British Women Pilots Association, they have a lot of scholarships.
11:10
SPEAKER_03: In fact, this year, 2026, they have more than ever.
11:13
SPEAKER_03: They normally open a bit later in the year.
11:16
SPEAKER_03: Uh there's also flying scholarships for disabled people and air ability who offer opportunities for disabled people who would like to fly.
11:25
SPEAKER_03: Uh, that's the private pilot stuff, but there's a lot of airline pilot scholarships, but there's a whole bunch more money involved.
11:32
SPEAKER_03: The big one, of course, is the British Airways Speedbird Academy.
11:36
SPEAKER_03: And I was just flicking through LinkedIn this morning, and a whole lot of people have just learned they're on next year's course.
11:43
SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's exciting.
11:44
SPEAKER_03: It's six months of selection process.
11:46
SPEAKER_03: There's going to be some people who are super happy today.
11:48
SPEAKER_03: Very, very, very happy.
11:50
SPEAKER_03: It's full of it on LinkedIn this morning.
11:52
SPEAKER_03: Uh, it's a fully funded system, 18 to 24 months training.
11:56
SPEAKER_03: Um, the next intake, you it should be sort of early in 2027, uh, but you've got to keep an eye out for that.
12:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
12:03
SPEAKER_03: Um, another one is Jet 2, with their flight path.
12:06
SPEAKER_03: That's also fully funded.
12:08
SPEAKER_03: That's closed at the moment, just like the British Airways one.
12:10
SPEAKER_03: Uh again, looking a new year.
12:12
SPEAKER_03: Airlingus, they haven't didn't have one in 2026, they did in 2025.
12:17
SPEAKER_03: Who knows what's going to happen in 2027?
12:19
SPEAKER_03: Just got to keep your eyes out.
12:20
SPEAKER_03: Easy Jet, uh, they do two routes of training: the MPL multipilot course and also the uh modular course, the integrated, sorry, integrated ATPL course.
12:31
SPEAKER_03: They do that with Skyborne.
12:33
SPEAKER_03: Um, now some of those are paid for and some of those are scholarships.
12:37
SPEAKER_03: So you do need to check the detail on that.
12:39
SPEAKER_03: TUI is another big cadet program which uh is funded.
12:44
SPEAKER_03: They didn't they paused it for 2026, see whether they come back next year.
12:49
SPEAKER_03: You know, um actually, so there's plenty of opportunities out there, whether it's flying for fun or for a career.
12:55
SPEAKER_03: Most don't require previous flying experience.
12:57
SPEAKER_03: Though it's interesting to note on that British Airways uh scheme, quite a few people had been in things like the ATC, the Air Cadets and stuff like that.
13:06
SPEAKER_03: So they're able to prove real enthusiasm for flying.
13:10
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
13:10
SPEAKER_03: Um key things are apply early, don't leave it to the last minute.
13:16
SPEAKER_03: It could be a whole lot of stuff you have to go through.
13:18
SPEAKER_03: You've got to check the eligibility.
13:20
SPEAKER_03: Uh each of these is often you've got to hold a UK passport, for instance.
13:25
SPEAKER_03: You've got to be able to live and work in the UK.
13:28
SPEAKER_03: Um and we'll put some uh some links to the scholarship providers in the in the links in the show notes.
13:34
SPEAKER_05: I need to apologise, Dave, because it wasn't actually you for the next story, it was supposed to be Ed, and I was kind of looking at you.
13:39
SPEAKER_05: Ah, okay.
13:40
SPEAKER_06: It was me about autopilot.
13:41
SPEAKER_06: You got it, yeah.
13:42
SPEAKER_06: So apologize for that.
13:43
SPEAKER_06: That's all right.
13:44
SPEAKER_06: It's only a little one, and it's to say the CAA, uh who obviously they make uh safety sense leaflets, they have a new safety sense leaflet out about um it's highlighting uh uh the safe use of autopilot and electric trim systems.
13:57
SPEAKER_06: Because as we know, autopilots and electric trim have contributed to some accidents in the past.
14:03
SPEAKER_06: Um so it's just about understanding how trim runaway events, uh how you can basically understand, prevent those through good understanding of your aircraft systems.
14:16
SPEAKER_06: So and I do love that the safety sense leaflets, I think sometimes overlooked.
14:21
SPEAKER_06: Very simple things, but actually great sources of information.
14:23
SPEAKER_06: Uh, and there's a whole library of them.
14:25
SPEAKER_06: Many of them have had a bit of a have had a bit of a makeover for the last few years.
14:28
SPEAKER_05: Most of them have done a pretty bloody good job of it.
14:31
SPEAKER_05: Well done, CEA.
14:32
SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
14:32
SPEAKER_05: So you can give you praise when you do good things.
14:34
SPEAKER_05: You've done good.
14:35
SPEAKER_06: I don't know about you, but do you remember and uh safety sense leaflets are a formative thing in my PPL memories because it's like you would be in a flying school and in the days when we used to print things, yeah there would be a whole line of these little A5 brochures.
14:49
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
14:49
SPEAKER_06: So um now they're easily available online and they're worth having.
14:52
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
14:53
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
14:53
SPEAKER_05: I'm sorry.
14:54
SPEAKER_05: The key thing, the key takeaway for me on the trim thing is to know where your obviously know the system, but if all else fails, know how to pull the circuit breaker.
15:02
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
15:02
SPEAKER_05: And maybe put I've put a little collar on the circuit breaker for my electric trick.
15:06
SPEAKER_06: The little little coloured collars are probably one of the best.
15:08
SPEAKER_06: They're like the m most cost-effective safety feature you can ever implement, I think, aren't they?
15:15
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
15:16
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
15:16
SPEAKER_05: Right, getting back on track, which is my fault, I do apologize for that.
15:20
SPEAKER_05: Um and to following on from Dave's stuff, really, the the annual Boeing report, the kind of state of the nation that that Boeing do, they've decided that there are something like 674,000 pilots needed in the world over the next 20 years.
15:33
SPEAKER_05: That's a huge, huge number, and far more than the current training system is able to produce.
15:39
SPEAKER_06: Um Do we know how many pilots the current training system produces a year?
15:46
SPEAKER_05: Not worldwide.
15:47
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
15:47
SPEAKER_05: But it it's less it's less less than.
15:52
SPEAKER_05: No, it needs to be higher.
15:53
SPEAKER_05: And and the the perhaps the even bigger figure, or the more astounding figure, is when you take the whole of the airline sector, so you you know you've got cabin crew, maintenance, airport workers, etcetera, etc.
16:03
SPEAKER_05: It's something like 2.2, 2.
16:05
SPEAKER_05: What is it here?
16:06
SPEAKER_05: Let me I've got it written down somewhere.
16:08
SPEAKER_05: 2.425 million over the next 20 years.
16:11
SPEAKER_05: So it's a huge, huge machine that's sort of taking people.
16:15
SPEAKER_05: Um in in the U in Europe and the US, and I'm including UK and Europe for this particular instance, um, one of the big problems is that kind of bulge of people going through who are retiring at the moment.
16:27
SPEAKER_05: There's uh after COVID, there was a there was a bit of a drop, then there was a big uptake, and now that's kind of m normalized again.
16:34
SPEAKER_05: It's impossible trying to time your training to go, I'm I'm it's g I mean it might take you two hours, two years.
16:39
SPEAKER_05: Two hours.
16:40
SPEAKER_05: It might take you two hours if you use Chat GPT.
16:43
SPEAKER_05: Uh it might take you a couple of years, two somewhere between two and five years to get your ATPLs and and be hire hireable, yeah, as it were.
16:50
SPEAKER_05: So it's impossible to decide what the world's gonna be like well next week at the moment, let alone in two to five years' time.
16:55
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
16:56
SPEAKER_05: Um so if you want to know more, and this is not a story that we put up for this reason, but if you do want to know more, uh we run um some shows throughout Europe, Pilot Careers Live.
17:04
SPEAKER_05: And we've got the next one coming up on the 7th of November, which is a week on Saturday, uh at Heathrow.
17:10
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
17:10
SPEAKER_05: Uh Heathrow T5.
17:11
SPEAKER_05: If you go to pilotcareerslive.com, you can get yourself a ticket for that.
17:14
SPEAKER_05: If you happen to be in Milan on the 21st of November, um, which I will be, you can come along there as well.
17:20
SPEAKER_05: Again, you can get the tickets uh register for those on the same website.
17:24
SPEAKER_06: Um a great time to be an airline pilot.
17:28
SPEAKER_05: It is.
17:29
SPEAKER_05: I mean airline pilots, you know, and we we say this to people who come along to all of our shows.
17:33
SPEAKER_05: The airline industry has its ups and downs.
17:35
SPEAKER_05: I can remember the first show we did after the 9-11, it was it was t it was hard work.
17:39
SPEAKER_05: There just weren't that many people.
17:40
SPEAKER_05: Um and because people are going, I need to time my training for a good time, it's impossible.
17:44
SPEAKER_05: I've got I used to think, yeah, I can understand that, but you can't do it.
17:47
SPEAKER_05: You know, if you could do it, you'd probably be working in the stock market and you'd have billions.
17:51
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but it it is pretty much impossible.
17:54
SPEAKER_05: So I personally I think if it's the thing you're sure you want to do and you have to be sure that you actually really want to do it, yeah, then you know just get on and get get it started when you can.
18:02
SPEAKER_05: There's nothing to guarantee that you know you could finish and find yourself in a market where they want their six hundred thousand plus people now, yeah.
18:09
SPEAKER_05: Or you could finish and and some idiot, some part of the world has done something dumb and and screwed the world economy or the world aviation safety for a few months.
18:17
SPEAKER_05: It always bounces back.
18:18
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
18:19
SPEAKER_05: So you do need a plan B.
18:20
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
18:21
SPEAKER_05: Um but that would be my long time.
18:25
SPEAKER_05: You've got to be in it to win it.
18:26
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
18:26
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
18:27
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
18:28
SPEAKER_05: So there you go.
18:28
SPEAKER_05: AlecCareersLife.com.
18:30
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
18:30
SPEAKER_05: Over to you, Ed.
18:31
SPEAKER_05: Next one.
18:32
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
18:32
SPEAKER_06: Um uh another little story, but um Shuttleworth, uh obviously based at Old Warden Airfield in Bedfordshire, they've had an amazing year this year.
18:41
SPEAKER_06: Uh, they've had they've always got a tremendous lineup of air shows, but 2026 has been brilliant for them, and they have said they've just given some news out saying visitor numbers exceeded 40,000 people.
18:52
SPEAKER_06: Um so 2025 was only 33,000.
18:55
SPEAKER_06: Wow.
18:56
SPEAKER_06: So up by 7,000.
18:57
SPEAKER_06: Uh and they're crediting that partly to two events that they held this year: the Festival of Flight in June and the Summer Air Show in July.
19:05
SPEAKER_06: Um, uh, the latter one sold out five days in advance of the event.
19:10
SPEAKER_06: Um it's fair to say that watching comments on social media, that I think Shuttleworth is now has got to be one of the world's best air show venues.
19:20
SPEAKER_06: I mean, tell me in the comments if you disagree.
19:22
SPEAKER_06: But I think, given the collection of aeroplanes, the location, the display, you know, the display venue and the number of show number of events they have on, I think they're world class.
19:33
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
19:34
SPEAKER_05: Given the location, given the aircraft that they have and given the type of events they've put on, I think it is I would rather watch a Shuttleworth display, yeah, given that, than I would an Oscrosh display.
19:45
SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, for sure.
19:46
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
19:47
SPEAKER_05: 100%.
19:48
SPEAKER_03: Have you ever seen the Flying Proms where they have uh orchestra playing and it's like all get dressed up and drink champagne?
19:53
SPEAKER_03: Yes, well.
19:54
SPEAKER_05: And uh have bowler hats and things like that.
19:56
SPEAKER_05: I have yes, I have.
19:57
SPEAKER_03: I've been looking at it that's fantastic.
19:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
19:59
SPEAKER_03: I didn't go this year, unfortunately, but uh have been before.
20:02
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah but um but yeah, great, um a great array of shows, great venue.
20:06
SPEAKER_06: And um yeah, I in 2027 I I'm sure is gonna be another amazing year for me.
20:11
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, look forward to it.
20:13
SPEAKER_05: Dave, you gonna round up the news with uh the first class item?
20:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, Jersey Aero Club is having a good year as well.
20:20
SPEAKER_03: They've just celebrated their 75th anniversary as as an aero club, and uh it doesn't often happen, but the locate the there the island of Jersey has selec the whole island is celebrating Jersey Aero Club 75th.
20:33
SPEAKER_03: Jersey Post, which runs the post on Jersey.
20:37
SPEAKER_03: Rather than just providing posts.
20:40
SPEAKER_03: They've uh they've issued some stamps celebrating those 75 years.
20:44
SPEAKER_03: So there's a whole collection of uh events that have gone on at uh Jersey Aero Club over the years.
20:50
SPEAKER_03: The reason they've done this is because the Aero Club is obviously on the main airport, Jersey, the only airport.
20:57
SPEAKER_03: And it's kind of been the heart of general aviation in the island for for all those years.
21:01
SPEAKER_03: P generations of pilots have learned to fly there and develop their skills.
21:05
SPEAKER_03: And it's yeah, it's a really big event in in in Jersey.
21:08
SPEAKER_06: Wait, this sounds like an uh this that sounds like a place celebrating its airport.
21:14
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
21:14
SPEAKER_05: I mean I guess if you live on an island, if you live on one of the Channel Islands, it's difficult to be anti-aviation because you're otherwise you're just entirely stuck there.
21:21
SPEAKER_05: But on boats.
21:23
SPEAKER_05: On boats and all sorts of other bits and pieces.
21:25
SPEAKER_05: So yeah.
21:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
21:26
SPEAKER_03: Special commemorative editions of all this stuff.
21:28
SPEAKER_03: If you're a stamp collector, uh you can get special whole editions things and we'll put a link in some whole edition things.
21:34
SPEAKER_03: Well, I don't know what I was I don't collect stamps.
21:39
SPEAKER_03: But um so yeah, you can get these from Jersey stamps and I'll put a link in the uh show notes.
21:45
SPEAKER_03: Very good.
21:47
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21:49
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21:50
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21:55
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21:58
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22:02
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22:04
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22:14
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22:16
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22:18
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22:21
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22:22
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22:36
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22:38
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22:39
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22:42
SPEAKER_06: Okay, so it's a subject that we've been thinking about talking about for a while, uh, and it's dumb stuff you can do as a pilot, but shouldn't.
22:53
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
22:54
SPEAKER_05: We're not talking about stuff in the air, we're not talking about stalling on your flight, we're talking about stuff on the ground, stuff that we could all do, we should all do, and from the minute you start learning to fly, you should have it explained to you by your instructor if you've got a good instructor.
23:08
SPEAKER_05: Clearly, quite a few people didn't get that done or have chosen to forget it.
23:13
SPEAKER_06: And these these are things that if you know that a pilot will do and other pilots will be like Yeah, exactly.
23:21
SPEAKER_05: Um so we've kind of broken this up into several areas.
23:24
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
23:24
SPEAKER_05: The first of which is kind of in and around the hangar.
23:27
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
23:27
SPEAKER_05: So I think you're gonna kick off with our first you shouldn't do this.
23:31
SPEAKER_06: It's a really easy one, but if you have an aeroplane, when you go to start it, don't let it, don't leave it pointing into the hangar.
23:39
SPEAKER_06: No.
23:40
SPEAKER_06: It's like the cardinal sin of aviation.
23:43
SPEAKER_06: You can pebble dash the whole thing with dust.
23:45
SPEAKER_06: It's it's yeah, the people are people who go, oh, that's alright, it doesn't really blow anything.
23:49
SPEAKER_06: You it uh you only need to be behind an aeroplane in a hangar, and there's like stuff everywhere it's it's not on.
23:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
23:56
SPEAKER_05: Don't do it.
23:57
SPEAKER_05: Given that most people don't have their own individual hanger, and you you're you're putting stuff over all sorts of rubbish in the hanger.
24:04
SPEAKER_05: And not not just your hanger, but as you're pulling away, quite often you can if you turn in the wrong place, you can go, Oh, I can give my neighbour's hanger a bit of a blast of my prop wash as well.
24:14
SPEAKER_05: Just don't do it.
24:14
SPEAKER_05: Be considerate and think about your prop wash.
24:16
SPEAKER_06: Your aeroplane is not a shop blasting tool.
24:19
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
24:20
SPEAKER_05: And again, that's kind of when you put it out and start.
24:23
SPEAKER_05: Then the the other thing that you shouldn't do, be aware of this, is when you're coming back.
24:27
SPEAKER_05: If you're coming back and the hanger door's open, you go, I know what, I'll just push it in, I'll turn it around to give a quick, give it a quick spin, and then you can push it back in.
24:36
SPEAKER_05: Then you everyone gets that same blast again.
24:38
SPEAKER_05: So you take off, someone spent the next hour and a half sweeping while you've been enjoying your hundred buck burger.
24:44
SPEAKER_05: And you come back and you come back and you do it all over again.
24:46
SPEAKER_05: I mean, don't be surprised if you get a broom wrapped around your neck at that point.
24:50
SPEAKER_05: But just think about it.
24:51
SPEAKER_03: The other really quite obvious thing you should never do is start up in the hangar.
24:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
24:57
SPEAKER_03: Or taxi into a hangar.
24:59
SPEAKER_06: I mean, this tends to happen at places where people have their own hangar, but I think you need to be aware of the fact.
25:05
SPEAKER_06: I mean d don't do it, really.
25:08
SPEAKER_06: But if you're gonna do it, I think about the fact that you create all sorts of turbulence and stuff in a hanger space.
25:15
SPEAKER_06: And unless your space is completely sealed from everyone else's.
25:19
SPEAKER_05: There are all sorts of good reasons not to do it.
25:22
SPEAKER_05: I can I can understand the temptation, some people.
25:24
SPEAKER_05: You enjoy big heavy airplane, yeah.
25:26
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
25:27
SPEAKER_06: No, it it it's an aeroplane might catch fire on start.
25:30
SPEAKER_06: You don't want to be inside then, do you?
25:32
SPEAKER_06: No.
25:32
SPEAKER_06: And ta taxiing back into a hangar, I n I I live in fear of the brakes failing at any time when I'm outside.
25:39
SPEAKER_06: So taxiing into a building.
25:40
SPEAKER_05: Talking of which, I was I was parked outside a hangar in the 182, a big multi-airplane hangar at a different airfield, not here, um good few years ago now.
25:49
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
25:50
SPEAKER_05: And I I was I I wasn't even in the airplane, I was like hundred yards away.
25:53
SPEAKER_05: It wasn't in the way of anything, and it was sitting there, and some guy came in in a in a biplane.
25:57
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
25:57
SPEAKER_05: And there was a just a gentle down slope towards the hangar.
26:00
SPEAKER_05: Right.
26:00
SPEAKER_05: Um, and he cut the power, cut the mags, so prop stopped, and then proceeded, he was kind of rolling it in so in the hope he could sort of just roll it into the hangar.
26:08
SPEAKER_05: And probably thought, I don't know exactly what he was thinking, not very much, I think.
26:12
SPEAKER_05: Probably thought that he wouldn't blast it with prop wash, which he didn't.
26:15
SPEAKER_05: However, he judged his uh judged his distances wrong and managed to put the top wing of his biplane on the top of the uh port wing of my airplane.
26:22
SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh! Yeah, it kind of literally and rode up over it.
26:25
SPEAKER_05: Did that cause any damage?
26:26
SPEAKER_05: I was it didn't, fortunately, a little thing that kind of buffed out.
26:29
SPEAKER_05: Um that was lucky.
26:30
SPEAKER_05: But it was very slight, but it could have been so much worse.
26:33
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
26:33
SPEAKER_05: And it could have been catastrophic.
26:35
SPEAKER_05: Um tanks, tanks, yeah.
26:38
SPEAKER_05: He was hugely apologetic, but you know, frankly, a few minutes thinking about it before I I suspect it's not been done again.
26:45
SPEAKER_05: No.
26:45
SPEAKER_05: I suspect this particular person's no longer flying as well.
26:50
SPEAKER_05: He was uh he was a more senior person uh in terms of use, should we say.
26:54
SPEAKER_05: But yeah, just don't do it.
26:56
SPEAKER_05: Don't do it.
26:57
SPEAKER_05: Seriously.
26:58
SPEAKER_05: Right.
26:58
SPEAKER_05: So talking of taxiing, we've got a whole subject around taxiing as well.
27:03
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
27:04
SPEAKER_03: Well the obvious thing to say is if you're taxiing around other aircraft or near air near other airplanes, don't use high power settings.
27:12
SPEAKER_03: Take your time, trickle along.
27:14
SPEAKER_06: My instructor said to me, he said, uh, only taxi as fast as you want to crash.
27:20
SPEAKER_06: And I that stuck with me.
27:22
SPEAKER_05: And I think quite quite often, you know, particularly if you're on a grass airfield, let's imagine a grass airfield with a kind of slightly damp, wet runway.
27:30
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you've left your airplane there, and something like the 182 is not the lightest airplane in the in the world.
27:34
SPEAKER_05: So you go and have your cup of tea and you you your burger again, uh, and you come back and you need you you start the airplane, but there's a couple of people parked behind you.
27:42
SPEAKER_05: Maybe there's people getting ready to go, maybe they got doors open, maybe they got a canopy open, however, their airplane is particularly configured.
27:48
SPEAKER_05: You get in quite often, you need a fair bit of power just to get out of the little indentation that it's made.
27:53
SPEAKER_05: And if you're then blasting all those people with 60-70% power just so you can get away, it's not smart.
27:58
SPEAKER_05: It's not a good thing, not very considerate.
28:01
SPEAKER_03: I once got told off by the instructor for taxing too slowly at an airfield.
28:04
SPEAKER_03: That was Panzanger, where uh Hurry up! Well, I was Yes, yes.
28:08
SPEAKER_03: Was that Haim?
28:09
SPEAKER_03: It was Haim, it was him.
28:11
SPEAKER_03: Great bloke, but uh because he'd he'd learned to fly in Israel, well, he wanted to get the aircraft under cover as quickly as possible for various reasons.
28:20
SPEAKER_03: And uh you know he's basically saying, get a move on, go faster.
28:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
28:25
SPEAKER_04: Okay, I'd be going, get out.
28:27
SPEAKER_04: If you're not happy.
28:28
SPEAKER_06: It's not it's not a race.
28:30
SPEAKER_03: He was checking me out at the time, so yeah, yeah, couldn't do that.
28:33
SPEAKER_05: So the other thing, when you're taxiing around.
28:35
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
28:36
SPEAKER_05: Recently, if you've seen the video, maybe we'll put the link in the description if Henry remembers.
28:40
SPEAKER_05: Um, I changed the uh wingtip lights on the Cessna.
28:44
SPEAKER_06: Ah, okay.
28:45
SPEAKER_05: And I've got some Pulsar 650s which give me position lights, but they also give me a couple of really good LED strobe lights.
28:51
SPEAKER_05: Oh, with a nice light.
28:51
SPEAKER_05: And they're super bright.
28:52
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
28:53
SPEAKER_05: So if you happen to taxi around all over the place with your strobe lights on, inside it's great.
28:58
SPEAKER_05: You can't see anything, you don't even you're not even even aware of it unless it's night time.
29:01
SPEAKER_05: On the ground, you wonder why are all these people going, ah my eyes, where is my retinas?
29:06
SPEAKER_05: Um you can't you can't see them, we sure can.
29:10
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
29:12
SPEAKER_05: Leaving the runway, strobes off.
29:13
SPEAKER_05: Strobes off.
29:15
SPEAKER_05: Entering the runway, strobes on.
29:17
SPEAKER_05: That would be my tip.
29:18
SPEAKER_05: You the you know there's a bit of grey area in between.
29:20
SPEAKER_05: It kind of depends where you are, but just use your common sense.
29:22
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
29:23
SPEAKER_05: Really?
29:23
SPEAKER_05: Don't blind people would be my tip on that one.
29:26
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
29:26
SPEAKER_05: Uh and extra points.
29:28
SPEAKER_05: This happens quite a lot if you run up to airfields in in the US where they've got like a cable strung out and lots of rope hanging down.
29:35
SPEAKER_05: So for your tie danges.
29:37
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
29:37
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
29:37
SPEAKER_05: And I've seen people you go taxiing over the coils of rope and stuff like that.
29:42
SPEAKER_05: There's a lot of prop wash that takes a lot of things.
29:44
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's not smart.
29:45
SPEAKER_05: It's not a smart thing.
29:46
SPEAKER_05: Same for puddles of water.
29:47
SPEAKER_05: A, you don't know how deep they are.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:49
SPEAKER_05: And B, water, you know, we all know if you look at a leading edge of a prop once you've been through a rain shower or something, it's not good for it.
29:55
SPEAKER_05: No.
29:55
SPEAKER_05: Um so beware where you're taxiing.
29:58
SPEAKER_05: Don't get that stuff thrown up into your prop.
30:00
SPEAKER_05: That would be a bad day.
30:02
SPEAKER_06: I've got a bugbear on taxing.
30:04
SPEAKER_06: It's not necessarily something that will affect someone else, but I think it it affects how pe how other pilots feel about you.
30:10
SPEAKER_06: And that's taxiing around with your flaps down.
30:13
SPEAKER_06: Don't do it.
30:13
SPEAKER_06: It makes you look dumb.
30:15
SPEAKER_05: So flaps down, pito heat cover still on.
30:19
SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's bad.
30:20
SPEAKER_05: Toe bar still on in the worst case.
30:22
SPEAKER_05: Worse.
30:22
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
30:23
SPEAKER_05: Seen seen that once.
30:24
SPEAKER_06: I I obviously d pre-takeoff checks, put the flaps down to taxi the flaps out to line up and take off, fine.
30:32
SPEAKER_06: But just taxiing around randomly with the flaps down looks silly.
30:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
30:36
SPEAKER_05: Do you remember those aforementioned things that I was talking about, the steel cables along the ground with the with the with the ropes?
30:41
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
30:41
SPEAKER_05: I've occasionally seen someone taxi out having forgotten to detach one particular rope.
30:48
SPEAKER_05: And what happens is you go forwards and then all of a sudden the airplane turns when it realizes that one rope is being held behind.
30:54
SPEAKER_05: Keeps you in one spot.
30:56
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and these people get out looking very sheepish, going, no one's seen me.
31:01
SPEAKER_05: And obviously everyone has.
31:03
SPEAKER_05: And these days they're busy putting it on Instagram, posting on every single forum and everything else.
31:07
SPEAKER_05: So that's a good point, actually.
31:10
SPEAKER_06: Dumb pilot stuff could get you recorded, could get you on the internet, and not for a good reason.
31:15
SPEAKER_05: It's likely to get you on the internet these days, isn't it?
31:17
SPEAKER_05: And again, not for a good reason.
31:18
SPEAKER_05: And we've got another section which are which recording don't get in the way.
31:22
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
31:22
SPEAKER_05: Um so we all need to do checks, we all need to warm our engines, you know, no one wants to jump in an airplane, light the fire, kick the tyres, go straight to full power, take off.
31:34
SPEAKER_05: That's that's a bad thing.
31:35
SPEAKER_05: It's not being very mechanically considerate at all.
31:37
SPEAKER_05: However, if when you've pushed your airplane out of a hangar, you are blocking people in and you're gonna sit there for five or ten minutes while your engine's warming up and you're running through your checks.
31:47
SPEAKER_05: Maybe you're either a student or you've got a student with you, and so you want to make sure that everyone understands.
31:51
SPEAKER_05: If there's a queue of people going, Yeah behind you.
31:56
SPEAKER_05: That's not smart.
31:56
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
31:57
SPEAKER_05: Just move your airplane to somewhere where you're not gonna be in anyone's way and where you can take as much time as you want, you can warm your engine up as slowly as you want, you can explain things as much as you want, you can prepare, you can think about things, and you can do it all day if you really want to.
32:10
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
32:10
SPEAKER_05: Don't do it where you're blocking someone in.
32:12
SPEAKER_06: Just be considerate.
32:13
SPEAKER_06: And if there's a I quite often you on runways you get the little um you get the little teardrop areas for like pulling off to do your run-up.
32:20
SPEAKER_06: Actually pull off and go in those.
32:22
SPEAKER_06: Because there might be someone behind you is doing a touch and go or something.
32:25
SPEAKER_06: Sorry, uh doing a kind of coming back, going to do another.
32:29
SPEAKER_06: And they just want to go straight out again.
32:31
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
32:31
SPEAKER_06: They don't want to sit behind you faffing around.
32:33
SPEAKER_06: Just think about it.
32:34
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
32:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
32:35
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
32:36
SPEAKER_06: Um if you come to a stop, think about where you're gonna park.
32:40
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
32:40
SPEAKER_06: Because airplanes, I don't know whether you've noticed this, but they st the bits stick out left and right.
32:46
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
32:46
SPEAKER_06: And my bug bear is go is walking up to an aeroplane and going, You thought that was a good place to park.
32:52
SPEAKER_06: It's clearly not.
32:53
SPEAKER_06: Your wing is like stuck out in the taxiway.
32:56
SPEAKER_06: And at worst, someone will go, Well, that was dumb, and spend extra time negotiating your aeroplane.
33:02
SPEAKER_06: Uh you know, well, at best.
33:04
SPEAKER_05: I mean, at worst, they taxi into you.
33:07
SPEAKER_05: They modify it.
33:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
33:08
SPEAKER_05: When I was doing some flying in the in in the French Alps, yeah, and the the teaching is basically if you're gonna go and land at an airstrip that you're not familiar with, or even if it's one you are familiar with, really, um, because conditions change, you do a couple of sort of recce orbits just to check and at different altitudes.
33:23
SPEAKER_05: And one of the things that you're looking for is where am I gonna park?
33:26
SPEAKER_05: Because it's not always obvious, particularly on the slate runway.
33:28
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
33:28
SPEAKER_05: You can't see the parking area, right?
33:30
SPEAKER_05: So you need to get a good picture of where I ain't gonna park over there.
33:33
SPEAKER_06: And I'm guessing uh parking in a ski plane, you need to have an idea of that.
33:37
SPEAKER_05: You need to as you're taxiing up, because you can't come to a stop.
33:40
SPEAKER_05: You can't.
33:41
SPEAKER_05: You need to if you if you happen to be ski equipped on snow, you need to be pointing in a particular direction.
33:46
SPEAKER_05: Because otherwise that means you get to get out, you get to maybe have a load of shovels, you get to have a load of pushing and stuff around, you get to make some new friends if you need a hand, all of which is altitude is not very funny.
33:55
SPEAKER_05: You probably only do that once, to be fair.
33:57
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
33:58
SPEAKER_06: But I think a clear thing is thinking.
34:00
SPEAKER_06: Thinking before you do.
34:01
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, absolutely.
34:02
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
34:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, when talking about thinking, yeah, don't leave stuff behind.
34:06
SPEAKER_03: No.
34:06
SPEAKER_03: It's uh you yeah, it's the worst thing in around an airfoot is is FOD, if you like, rubbish blowing around or something like that.
34:14
SPEAKER_03: Paper polytene bags are amongst the worst, because they catch the wind, they're whipping across and they they're just looking for something to hook onto.
34:22
SPEAKER_06: I I I make it uh make a point.
34:23
SPEAKER_06: If I ever see rubbish on an airfield, pick it up.
34:26
SPEAKER_06: Because it will be it may not be your problem, but it could be your problem, and it will almost certainly end up being someone's problem.
34:32
SPEAKER_06: So yeah, absolutely.
34:33
SPEAKER_06: So and you it's very easy to go, oh, that's not how can that possibly cause me an issue?
34:40
SPEAKER_06: Um but as someone who once got a leaf, it went in my carb air box and blocked my carburetor.
34:47
SPEAKER_06: It is it is that that's not a good thing.
34:50
SPEAKER_06: No, it is it is the most random things.
34:53
SPEAKER_06: You go, well, that's never going to end up in there, and you go, actually it can.
34:56
SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure you I'm not sure you can blame autumn for this.
34:59
SPEAKER_05: When I had a share in an Oster at some point, we had a bit of a f a bit of a fuel issue with that and couldn't figure that out.
35:04
SPEAKER_05: It turns out that's that in the in the tank, yeah, there was actually a top of an ice cream container or something like that.
35:12
SPEAKER_05: Now I don't think I think that got in there on purpose.
35:14
SPEAKER_05: I think someone put that in there on purpose.
35:16
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
35:16
SPEAKER_05: Because they were being nasty.
35:18
SPEAKER_05: But not FOD, but it again it is a bit of Yeah, it was FOD, but it's not.
35:23
SPEAKER_06: Loose stuff around on the airfield is just bad news.
35:26
SPEAKER_06: So don't contribute to it and don't leave it lying on the phone.
35:28
SPEAKER_05: No, although we don't talk about helicopters that much, again, uh there's plenty of videos on the internet that you can go and check out.
35:35
SPEAKER_05: Helicopters that are sitting there in the hover and you get a recirculation and some bit of FOD ends up going through the rotor again.
35:41
SPEAKER_06: I think if you need to need to find absolutely hidden pieces of debris on an airfield, just fly a helicopter around, it will it will reveal everything.
35:50
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
35:53
SPEAKER_06: Fuel pumps.
35:54
SPEAKER_06: Fuel pumps, there's there's definitely etiquette for a fuel pump.
35:58
SPEAKER_06: I mean, A, you know, it's it's a confined space.
36:02
SPEAKER_06: So when you roll up there, be careful, roll up, fuel up, and then once you're done, think about is someone gonna turn up?
36:10
SPEAKER_06: Am I I'm not gonna walk off and leave my aeroplane here while I go and pay for the fuel.
36:15
SPEAKER_06: Someone else might turn up.
36:16
SPEAKER_06: My aeroplane's in the way.
36:17
SPEAKER_06: So move it away.
36:19
SPEAKER_06: And if someone arrives behind you, then at least think about pulling that aeroplane, your aeroplane off the off the fueling spot before you taxi away.
36:29
SPEAKER_06: Because again, prop blast.
36:31
SPEAKER_05: I've been in an airfield, one one that's up for sale at the moment, north of here.
36:37
SPEAKER_05: I think it was it Stav Stavershire, Gloucester Gloucesterton or Staffordshire.
36:41
SPEAKER_05: Gloucesterton, I can't remember.
36:42
SPEAKER_05: Something like that.
36:43
SPEAKER_05: Anyway, and um it's a busy old, it's a busy old place.
36:47
SPEAKER_05: Lots and lots of training stuff going on, and this is a few years ago now.
36:50
SPEAKER_05: Um sat in the queue without my engine money, I have to say, waiting for the fuel.
36:55
SPEAKER_05: Someone's ahead of me fueling up.
36:57
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna stop you there.
36:58
SPEAKER_06: Momentarily, the people who sit in queues at like 1500 RPM going, come on, get out of the way.
37:04
SPEAKER_06: I know.
37:05
SPEAKER_06: You're also an idiot.
37:06
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
37:07
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
37:07
SPEAKER_05: So there it was, engine not running, but sitting sitting there, and uh the aircraft in front, I think it was PA 38, maybe in something else, I can't remember exactly.
37:16
SPEAKER_05: Get back in after they've refueled, sat there with their engine running for probably 10 minutes.
37:21
SPEAKER_05: Right.
37:22
SPEAKER_05: Uh it wasn't warming up because it it would have been warm already to have got to that point.
37:26
SPEAKER_05: I think it was, I think to be fair, I think it was an instructor giving a student a briefing.
37:30
SPEAKER_05: But that's not the place to do it.
37:31
SPEAKER_05: No.
37:31
SPEAKER_05: Pull it out of the way and go and do it somewhere else.
37:33
SPEAKER_05: If you're gonna just don't don't block be public, just think about it.
37:36
SPEAKER_05: It's not not rocket science, fuel pump science.
37:39
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well talking about fuel pump science, do not put nozzles on the ground.
37:43
SPEAKER_03: No.
37:44
SPEAKER_03: I mean it's not it's you you ought to keep your petrol, your gas nozzle clean.
37:48
SPEAKER_03: You do, you ought to look after it, give it a little polish.
37:51
SPEAKER_06: I have seen bad advice.
37:55
SPEAKER_06: I have seen I I did once see someone drop a nozzle on the ground at grass airfield, and the nozzle landed nozzle first, and you go, that's bad.
38:05
SPEAKER_06: You should at least go, oh my god, what's gone in that?
38:07
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
38:07
SPEAKER_06: Uh don't just pick it up, put it in the holster because someone is gonna get debris in their tank next time.
38:12
SPEAKER_03: That's right.
38:12
SPEAKER_03: And you know, if it's small or some smaller microlites, they're so sensitive to any kind of fuel blockage at all.
38:18
SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's quite a few people I know in the microite world, will filter the fuel going in.
38:25
SPEAKER_03: Going in just because it's so sensitive.
38:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
38:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
38:28
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
38:28
SPEAKER_05: And the other thing, um you know that the the the ground, the static, the the ground earthing thing where you earth your airplane.
38:36
SPEAKER_05: Um those little roller things have been designed specifically so the cable doesn't always go in the middle and it goes either side of it.
38:43
SPEAKER_05: And a couple of times now I've been to the place, not with a not particularly busy place, but where someone's obviously been in a rush, done that, created this kind of bird's nest of stuff all around it.
38:53
SPEAKER_05: They've wound it like they're a sport fisherman.
38:55
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
39:03
SPEAKER_05: Ashamed.
39:04
SPEAKER_05: And I that means that okay, I get here, I get to spend another 10-15 minutes untangling it, putting it all back again.
39:09
SPEAKER_05: So just just leave it as you want to find it.
39:12
SPEAKER_06: I think that can also apply to fuel hoses.
39:15
SPEAKER_06: And I know fuel hoses are some of the most odious things you can deal with on an airfield because they're like it's like you pull it out and you go, I'm going to fuel my airplane, and the fuel hose goes, No, I'm going to go back on the thing.
39:26
SPEAKER_06: Um But when you're winding them back on a reel, try and get it try and get the hose even.
39:31
SPEAKER_05: No one's arguing for like the perfect thing like it came out of the factory.
39:35
SPEAKER_05: No.
39:35
SPEAKER_05: But equally you're trying to wind them.
39:37
SPEAKER_05: It is.
39:38
SPEAKER_05: But equally, you don't want you've got this much fuel drum and you're trying to put the hose into this much of it and it's stopping because it won't go round.
39:46
unknown: Yeah.
39:47
SPEAKER_05: It's going to be a pain for someone else.
39:50
SPEAKER_05: Be considerate.
39:51
SPEAKER_05: There you go.
39:52
SPEAKER_05: Other aircraft.
39:54
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
39:55
SPEAKER_06: Um this is a good one.
39:56
SPEAKER_06: If you so if you share if you're flying a club aeroplane or if you share an aeroplane, I've got a piece of information for you.
40:04
SPEAKER_06: The cap on the dipstick, the strength, how tight you do that up, does not affect how the wings are held on.
40:11
SPEAKER_06: No.
40:12
SPEAKER_06: It just needs nipping up.
40:13
SPEAKER_06: You don't have to do it up so tight that the next person who comes along needs a laser to cut it off.
40:22
SPEAKER_03: Well, on the similar subject, if you uh sh if you share an aircraft or you rent an aircraft, uh just think about how you leave it after you finish.
40:30
SPEAKER_03: You know, if don't you tidy the cockpit up a bit, put the seat belts in a nice nice place.
40:36
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
40:36
SPEAKER_03: And uh don't even rubbish around.
40:38
SPEAKER_03: Also, if uh you've been flying on a say a summer's evening and the windscreen is absolutely covered in insects, give it a clean.
40:47
SPEAKER_03: You know, be careful, obviously, because cleaning windscrees is you know it's easier to scratch.
40:52
SPEAKER_03: But you know, if it's a buggy, a buggy evening, then uh then give it a yeah, don't leave it for the next pilot to do.
40:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
40:58
SPEAKER_06: That's a nice thing.
40:59
SPEAKER_06: And bugs are easy to easier easier to remove when they're fresh.
41:02
SPEAKER_06: When they're fresh.
41:03
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
41:03
SPEAKER_05: Get yourself stuck.
41:04
SPEAKER_05: I prefer baking them on on to my bake bugs.
41:07
SPEAKER_05: I don't know if you remember it, but there was a a while ago, um, back pre-COVID, we used to frequently we'd we'd have a a week, ten days in in the US do all sorts of photo shoots and stuff like that.
41:17
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
41:17
SPEAKER_05: Um, we rented an airplane from a score, and it was it was a great arrangement.
41:21
SPEAKER_05: And so, no, we always rented a 172 G1000 so we could find our way around and everything.
41:26
SPEAKER_05: But these were well-used student aircraft.
41:30
SPEAKER_05: Well used is a very generous description.
41:32
SPEAKER_05: So the first thing we did on the way to pick up the aircraft was stonk swing by Home Depot and buy some microfiber cloths and some cleaning gear and some air freshener and stuff like that.
41:41
SPEAKER_05: And we spent the first hour or so just cleaning the airplane inside.
41:45
SPEAKER_05: I'm not sure cleaning is the word.
41:47
SPEAKER_05: I'm a decontamination more than anything.
41:49
SPEAKER_05: It had stress and sweat of hundreds, if not thousands, of students baked into it.
41:54
SPEAKER_05: Um we always we can't take that stuff home, so we kind of always left them the cleaning kit, and I'm pretty sure there was no one ever cleaned it again until we bought it again a year later or something.
42:02
SPEAKER_05: But cockpits are space, they're spaces you have to share with other people.
42:05
SPEAKER_05: So leave them nice.
42:07
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, absolutely.
42:08
SPEAKER_05: On a kind of similar thing, you know, you don't necessarily need to be renting or or or sharing an airplane, but we all love the look of new airplanes.
42:18
SPEAKER_05: We all love aircraft that are unfamiliar to well say new, I mean new to us, that could be.
42:22
SPEAKER_05: There doesn't have to be a brand new airplane.
42:23
SPEAKER_05: We like stuff that's unfamiliar and we go and have a look round it.
42:26
SPEAKER_05: And then Oshkosh, walking up and down the line uh uh of the hundreds, well not hundreds of thousands, but thousands of aircraft is one of the big attractions.
42:34
SPEAKER_05: That doesn't mean that it's okay to go touch it.
42:38
SPEAKER_05: No.
42:39
SPEAKER_05: It doesn't mean that you can do stuff like that.
42:42
SPEAKER_05: Can I have a look inside?
42:43
SPEAKER_05: And then it's like, oh, just lean on it and uh Oh look, just that bit are pulled off or not.
42:50
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
42:50
SPEAKER_03: A piece of advice here.
42:51
SPEAKER_03: If you ever go near one of Ed's aircraft and start and start touching it, you will be tasered.
42:56
SPEAKER_06: There's no truth in the rumour that I taser people, but if I do taser you, try and fall away from the airplane.
43:02
SPEAKER_05: When we looked at the electro, the lockheed, um, when we first encountered that with Dave Marco, Dave Marco is is very Ed-like in his his desire for nobody to ever touch one of his aircraft.
43:12
SPEAKER_05: Very careful.
43:13
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, an aer a polis anyone who has a polished aeroplane and you put it out in public and it's like please don't touch it.
43:20
SPEAKER_05: And so he's he's like an his he's an he's an extreme version, but it kind of the principle holds.
43:24
SPEAKER_05: If you're gonna go around it, can you put these gloves on?
43:26
SPEAKER_05: Get some little cotton gloves, and if you're gonna get inside, take your shoes off.
43:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:30
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, really?
43:31
SPEAKER_05: I mean it this thing's like a museum, Pete.
43:33
SPEAKER_05: It's like unbelievably perfect.
43:35
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
43:35
SPEAKER_05: Um but don't touch other people's aircraft.
43:38
SPEAKER_05: If for some reason you need to do something to someone else's aircraft, ask them.
43:43
SPEAKER_05: Ask them.
43:43
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
43:44
SPEAKER_05: And they are extremely likely to go, it's okay, I'll give you a hand, or it's okay, I'll do that, or something like that.
43:49
SPEAKER_06: Partly because um i i if you n if you decide to move something, you're gonna feel like an idiot if you move something, you touch something that comes off in your hand.
43:57
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
43:58
SPEAKER_06: And I mean I
44:01
SPEAKER_05: I at the moment, none of the hangers that I of the two hangers that I use, you don't have to move anything in order to get your aircraft in or out, which is absolutely perfect.
44:10
SPEAKER_05: But I have been in hangers where you can get you can get there, you can go, ah, the only way I can get my airplane out is if I move six other airplanes out of the way.
44:18
SPEAKER_05: And you have to do that.
44:19
SPEAKER_05: And that that's a kind of an accepted thing of a group hanger.
44:22
SPEAKER_05: But obviously, and I think most people are, you are super careful about that stuff.
44:26
SPEAKER_05: And when you you know there was uh it was a picture.
44:28
SPEAKER_05: This is I'm sure this is not really a hangarage thing, but you remember that it was a picture of a helicopter at Popham that had rolled back into the hedge after it.
44:35
SPEAKER_05: Oh yes, but that was this summer, wasn't it?
44:37
SPEAKER_05: That was this summer, yeah.
44:38
SPEAKER_05: Very expensive helicopter too.
44:39
SPEAKER_06: I was probably still in maintenance.
44:42
SPEAKER_06: Many, many years ago I was in a hangar, and hung up on the wall was a wingtip of a uh of an RAF jet trainer that was retired, but um they was being operated, and it had a a dent on it, and someone had written in Sharpie, quote, acres of space.
45:01
SPEAKER_06: Clearly wasn't not.
45:02
SPEAKER_05: No, absolutely.
45:04
SPEAKER_05: So just say don't don't touch someone else's aircraft.
45:06
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
45:07
SPEAKER_05: Basically.
45:08
SPEAKER_06: So I guess the big question is is have we covered all the bugbears?
45:13
SPEAKER_06: Or are you sat there shouting, but what about this at the screen?
45:17
SPEAKER_06: Um clearly, it's a probably a list that can go on and on and on.
45:20
SPEAKER_06: Uh tell us in the comments uh if uh if you have one particular bugbear um that you need to get off your chest.
45:28
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
45:29
SPEAKER_06: Um or do you agree with one of ours?
45:31
SPEAKER_05: Or do you think we've been a bit Do you think we we we shouldn't we we don't need to be that careful, it's only aviation.
45:36
SPEAKER_05: Do you think we're wrong?
45:37
SPEAKER_05: Tip, we're not.
45:38
SPEAKER_05: Spoiler.
45:40
SPEAKER_05: So yeah, but do let us know.
45:41
SPEAKER_05: Do let us know.
45:42
SPEAKER_05: I'm sure you would have come across stuff that we haven't come across.
45:44
SPEAKER_05: So there you go.
45:45
SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
45:46
SPEAKER_05: It must be time for.
45:56
SPEAKER_06: So, fantasy hangar this week.
45:59
SPEAKER_06: Uh in the news, we learned about the Electra EL2 landing at the Heliport in uh Manhattan.
46:05
SPEAKER_06: That is only 105 meters long, as I mentioned in the news.
46:10
SPEAKER_06: Um, so it's like, do you need a specialist aeroplane like the EL2 with blown lift?
46:16
SPEAKER_06: Or can you bring along a fantasy hangar choice and land there too?
46:21
SPEAKER_06: Dave, what did you pick?
46:23
SPEAKER_03: Well, I picked a winner from the famous Valdez uh stole flying.
46:28
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
46:29
SPEAKER_03: This is uh a Halo Courier.
46:31
SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
46:31
SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, yeah.
46:33
SPEAKER_03: It's not a small aircraft, it's not it's it's a big aircraft, which it's got a huge payload, which uh was one of the criteria for this we set up.
46:42
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
46:42
SPEAKER_03: So it's got a payload of thirty one thousand three hundred and twenty pounds, which is a probably I thought you said it's a huge payload, Dave.
46:49
SPEAKER_03: It's just a fairly big payload.
46:51
SPEAKER_03: Well, anyway.
46:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
46:53
SPEAKER_03: But um it set a record at the last uh the last Valdez stole competition in the hands of its owner, uh chap called Lucas Stulzer, Stutzer, and it took off in 102 feet and landed in 75 feet.
47:08
SPEAKER_03: Combined a winning distance of 177 feet, which is a lot less than the uh heli port.
47:16
SPEAKER_03: That's true, yeah.
47:17
SPEAKER_03: Yes, yep.
47:19
SPEAKER_03: Helio couriers, yeah.
47:21
SPEAKER_03: Did you know when it was first came out, when it was first designed in 1949, it had a different name.
47:27
SPEAKER_03: It was called the Coppen Bollinger Helioplane.
47:30
SPEAKER_06: I did not know that.
47:31
SPEAKER_03: Oh well, it's just as well it changed the name, I think.
47:34
SPEAKER_06: There's a sound of revelation all over the YouTube universe right now.
47:38
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
47:38
SPEAKER_06: But Dave has got a fact that Ed didn't know.
47:41
SPEAKER_06: That should have been prefaced uh prefaced with interestingly.
47:44
SPEAKER_06: Interestingly.
47:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
47:45
SPEAKER_03: Well, what is interesting is the fact that it's got Handley Page uh leading edge slats.
47:50
SPEAKER_03: Handley Plage.
47:51
SPEAKER_03: Handy Page.
47:52
SPEAKER_03: Handley Page.
47:54
SPEAKER_03: It's in the handley.
47:55
SPEAKER_03: It's Handley Page leading edge slats, which automatically deploy.
48:00
SPEAKER_03: It's got huge slotsy flaps which occupy 74% of the wing's trailing edge, special interruptor blades on the wings, and it's apparently it can remain controllable down to just 23 knots.
48:14
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
48:14
SPEAKER_03: Hence it lands in such a short space.
48:17
SPEAKER_03: That's quite impressive.
48:18
SPEAKER_03: It is impressive, yeah.
48:19
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
48:19
SPEAKER_05: And and it's got you can one of the options is uh crossbin landing gear, so you've got mains that's swivel.
48:26
SPEAKER_05: Oh really?
48:26
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
48:27
SPEAKER_05: And there's a turbine version of it as well.
48:28
SPEAKER_05: I can't remember.
48:29
SPEAKER_05: The Helio Stallion.
48:31
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the standard engine is a 2945 horsepower lycoming, but it drives a massive eight-foot diameter uh three-blade prop.
48:40
SPEAKER_06: Okay, because thrust is important.
48:42
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
48:43
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
48:43
SPEAKER_05: In thrust we trust something.
48:45
SPEAKER_05: Can you beat Dave's Helio Courier?
48:47
SPEAKER_05: I mean, yeah, I think I can.
48:49
SPEAKER_05: Because I and I think I can with something that you're not going to expect.
48:53
SPEAKER_05: I think, because Dave's gone for the Helio Courier.
48:55
SPEAKER_05: And it's a fantastic airplane.
48:56
SPEAKER_05: I'd love to fly one, I'm not done it yet.
48:57
SPEAKER_05: It's a brilliant, brilliant aircraft.
48:59
SPEAKER_05: But you know, it's a it's from yesteryear, 1949, it comes from.
49:04
SPEAKER_05: So you've got a modern choice.
49:05
SPEAKER_05: I've gone from modern choice.
49:06
SPEAKER_05: And what are we looking at?
49:07
SPEAKER_05: We're looking at something that carries a lot in relation to the amount of space it can it can land in.
49:12
SPEAKER_05: And so I mean, Valdez, I'm not sure that you can take Valdi's as a good example because there's always blowing a hoolie there, and you're getting people who are kind of like basically hovering down, really.
49:21
SPEAKER_05: And so not not so much a real world there.
49:24
SPEAKER_05: I you know.
49:24
SPEAKER_05: Could you get a Helio Courier into 105 metres?
49:27
SPEAKER_05: I'm sure someone could.
49:28
SPEAKER_05: I'm sure it's not that difficult.
49:29
SPEAKER_05: Would you want to do it with people on board all as a regular thing?
49:32
SPEAKER_06: Well, I I'm guessing that it changes things if you fill that helio courier up, it's not operating such a short distance.
49:38
SPEAKER_06: No, is it?
49:39
SPEAKER_05: And I was gonna I was gonna gloss over that because I'm gonna do something fairly similar as well in glossing over this thing.
49:44
SPEAKER_05: Because recently we had our own version of our D's in the UK the Stoll UK event, which took place at Popham.
49:52
SPEAKER_05: And the overall there were 180s, there were super cubs, there were all sorts of funky stole specials.
50:00
SPEAKER_05: There were.
50:01
SPEAKER_05: Who won the whole thing overall?
50:04
SPEAKER_05: The shortest distance overall.
50:06
SPEAKER_05: Yes, was a was a Scouringer Ninja.
50:10
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
50:11
SPEAKER_05: And absolutely probably one of the most popular aircraft that have ever been sold in the UK, I would suggest.
50:18
SPEAKER_05: It's a bit never so on time.
50:19
SPEAKER_06: I mean it's it's fair to say that actually the st the the stall solution actually could just be a regular 600 KD microphone.
50:26
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
50:26
SPEAKER_05: It was like do uh have we got have we got those leading ed automatic flaps from Handley Page?
50:31
SPEAKER_05: No.
50:32
SPEAKER_05: Have we got wing fences all over the place?
50:34
SPEAKER_05: No.
50:34
SPEAKER_05: Have we got VGs?
50:35
SPEAKER_05: No.
50:35
SPEAKER_05: No.
50:36
SPEAKER_05: Have we got turbine?
50:37
SPEAKER_05: No.
50:37
SPEAKER_05: Turbine, no.
50:38
SPEAKER_05: Have we got big tyres?
50:39
SPEAKER_05: No.
50:40
SPEAKER_05: Well they're bigish.
50:41
SPEAKER_05: Bigish, but they're not like they're big.
50:42
SPEAKER_05: But they're not critical.
50:43
SPEAKER_05: 20 30 inch Alaskan we can land on a blade of grass kind of stuff.
50:49
SPEAKER_05: It's just a standard micro light.
50:50
SPEAKER_05: And it's a really good value microlite as well.
50:53
SPEAKER_05: So the 600 kilo version, which has got a massive 300 kilo, depending on what you put in it, up to a 300 kilogram useful aid.
51:00
SPEAKER_05: That's just ridiculous.
51:02
SPEAKER_05: You uh who needs that much useful aid, for God's sake?
51:05
SPEAKER_03: You can realise the payload of a Hilo Courier is exactly the same weight as a 600 kilogram microlite.
51:12
SPEAKER_03: You could fit a microlite inside of a kilochourier.
51:14
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but I bet you as a percentage of its of its uh of its max takeoff mass.
51:21
SPEAKER_03: Yes, that's what you mean.
51:22
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
51:22
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:23
SPEAKER_05: So and then so Paul Jewhurst, Sky Ranger man.
51:26
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
51:27
SPEAKER_05: And and god of the microlite world.
51:29
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
51:30
SPEAKER_05: He and he taught Dave to fly.
51:34
SPEAKER_05: So Paul, you talk to you about that.
51:36
SPEAKER_05: Um he won the competition with I think a combined total of a hundred meters.
51:40
SPEAKER_05: Combined total.
51:41
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
51:41
SPEAKER_05: So I think that's compelling.
51:44
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
51:44
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that is impressive.
51:46
SPEAKER_05: So that's I've gone for something simple, low cost, fun.
51:50
SPEAKER_05: Again, that's cut it's an airplane that's a little bit similar to the um AC4.
51:54
SPEAKER_05: Um, the light wing.
51:56
SPEAKER_05: No, no, a little bit similar to the airplane we were talking about, the Kodiak alike.
52:01
SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay, yeah.
52:02
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
52:02
SPEAKER_05: The reach.
52:02
SPEAKER_05: The reach.
52:03
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
52:03
SPEAKER_05: From Reach Aviation, inasmuch as you've got this kind of aluminium tube plus little composite panels that go on the outside of it.
52:09
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
52:10
SPEAKER_05: So I think there's some similarities there.
52:12
SPEAKER_05: A little, yes.
52:13
SPEAKER_05: Quite a lot.
52:13
SPEAKER_05: And a hundred horsepower air tax.
52:15
SPEAKER_05: So you've got quiet, you've got efficient, you've got low consumption, you've got great flying qualities, you've got great performance, you've got more loose useful load than you can shake a stick at, even a lead stick.
52:26
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
52:27
SPEAKER_05: It's a winner.
52:27
SPEAKER_06: And to be fair, you don't need superior, you don't need to be the stall god.
52:33
SPEAKER_06: You can just fly that kind of pretty regularly and get in and out.
52:37
SPEAKER_06: Whereas Dave's Helio, you'd have to be need some certain pilot skills to do that.
52:43
SPEAKER_06: You'd have to be a sky god.
52:44
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
52:44
SPEAKER_06: So I would say.
52:45
SPEAKER_06: And I and I didn't go down the sky god route either.
52:49
SPEAKER_06: I thought, let's go for something that was designed to operate from a hundred metres.
52:56
SPEAKER_06: So and is easy to find.
52:57
SPEAKER_06: Helicopter.
52:58
SPEAKER_06: No.
52:58
SPEAKER_06: Designed to be easy to fly, operate from a hundred metres.
53:02
SPEAKER_06: And I found the Braunschweig Zaukonig.
53:06
SPEAKER_06: You're going, the what?
53:08
SPEAKER_06: It's not a lawnmower.
53:10
SPEAKER_06: It's like an item on the German restaurant menu.
53:12
SPEAKER_06: Exactly, yeah.
53:13
SPEAKER_06: It's designed in 1940 by uh Dr.
53:16
SPEAKER_06: Professor Dr.
53:17
SPEAKER_06: Ing Hermann Winter.
53:20
SPEAKER_06: And uh and his students at the Braunschweig Technical.
53:24
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely not.
53:25
SPEAKER_06: Um it had, it was a it's a parasol design airplane, and it had 1.5 degrees of dihedral, which is sounds not a lot, but is actually quite a lot compared to regular airplanes.
53:34
SPEAKER_06: Um full span leading edge slats uh that deployed automatically, full span training edge flaps and drooping elerons, uh powered by a mere 50 horsepower Zundap Z9 engine, also not made up.
53:48
SPEAKER_06: Um the promise was that anyone could fly this.
53:51
SPEAKER_06: You could have an hour's briefing and then go fly it.
53:54
SPEAKER_06: This was a stall aeroplane that was really simple to fly.
53:57
SPEAKER_06: Could anyone fly it and then live, or was it like here's an hour and then absolutely it it it it can only just kill you.
54:03
SPEAKER_06: Um if you'd flown a glider, uh they said then you needed a mere five minutes briefing to go flying in it.
54:09
SPEAKER_06: Wow.
54:10
SPEAKER_06: Intended it was intended to be impossible to either stall or spin.
54:14
SPEAKER_06: Um Koenig ended up in the UK at the end of the war.
54:19
SPEAKER_06: Um it was brought here as spoils of war, ended up at Farnborough, and it was flown by Eric Winkle Brown.
54:25
SPEAKER_06: Um and remarkably that aeroplane ended up in private ownership and became one of the formative aeroplanes of the Ultralight Aircraft Association, which became the Popular Flying Association.
54:37
SPEAKER_06: I know.
54:38
SPEAKER_03: Which became the LAA.
54:43
SPEAKER_06: It is fair to say that the super safe Zokonig wasn't a hundred percent accident proof.
54:50
SPEAKER_06: Um The first prototype was lost in an accident when it exceeded VNE.
54:56
SPEAKER_06: Uh unfortunately VNE was 75 knots.
55:00
SPEAKER_06: Uh and another one stalled and crashed from 45 feet.
55:02
SPEAKER_06: Proving that you can stall.
55:05
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
55:06
SPEAKER_03: Um, I liked I like the little facts about this weapon.
55:10
SPEAKER_06: Oh.
55:10
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
55:11
SPEAKER_06: Um yeah, because I can say, did either have either of yours been designed to be an anti-tank aircraft?
55:18
SPEAKER_06: Because mine was, uh because one Zokonig was fitted with a panzerfaust um anti-tank weapon.
55:25
SPEAKER_06: And I know that sounds like a weapon of doom, but actually it was a small-shaped charge and a little tube.
55:31
SPEAKER_06: Uh and it was designed to be handheld, but they strapped it to the top of the Zaukonig.
55:35
SPEAKER_06: As um But I know I was a bit scared because the you can't you have to use this thing at fairly close range, like a 180 meters or something, maybe even closer than that.
55:45
SPEAKER_06: And that sounds a bit close to be getting to a tank.
55:46
SPEAKER_03: Especially an aeroplane.
55:48
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
55:49
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
55:50
SPEAKER_06: Um but um curiously, I was thinking, I reckon I'm in Battersea Heliport, 83 metres there, so I reckon if I had a zykonig, I could fly into London and land at Battersea.
56:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
56:01
SPEAKER_06: Could you afford to?
56:02
SPEAKER_06: Um well, probably I'd get the aeroplane impounded and get fined, and it would all be bad.
56:07
SPEAKER_06: And of and I hear Battersea is a very expensive landing fee.
56:10
SPEAKER_06: So from those three fantastic choices, tell us in the comments uh if you have a favourite.
56:17
SPEAKER_06: Clearly it's gonna be well actually, I'm mine's good, but I think yours is a great choice.
56:23
SPEAKER_06: Dave's just needs to die.
56:27
SPEAKER_05: Choice for the common man, as it were.
56:30
SPEAKER_05: A common pilot, I should say, not common man.
56:32
SPEAKER_06: Maybe you're sat there going, why didn't you think of so and so?
56:35
SPEAKER_06: Tell us in the comments.
56:36
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
56:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
56:37
SPEAKER_03: I must admit if you hadn't uh if you're listening to this on the podcast and you can't you're finding it hard to imagine Ed's aircraft, just think of something with very right, very raised eyebrows.
56:48
SPEAKER_03: It is.
56:48
SPEAKER_06: It's it's like could an aeroplane have more of a surprised expression?
56:52
SPEAKER_06: Probably not.
56:53
SPEAKER_06: There you go.
56:54
SPEAKER_06: So let us know what you think.
56:55
SPEAKER_06: Good.
56:56
SPEAKER_06: Must be time for some events.
56:58
SPEAKER_06: No weather.
56:59
SPEAKER_06: No, weather weather.
57:00
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
57:00
SPEAKER_06: Shall we see what uh Simon has in store for us?
57:03
SPEAKER_06: Indeed.
57:03
SPEAKER_00: Evening all, hope you're doing well this evening and looking forward to uh perhaps getting flying this weekend.
57:10
SPEAKER_00: We have got some mist and fog around.
57:12
SPEAKER_00: That's gonna be the main impact of the weekend's weather.
57:15
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, some of it should be clearing away, or in fact, most of it is gonna be clearing away as we go through the daytime periods.
57:23
SPEAKER_00: Now, for Friday morning, tomorrow morning, we've got some mist and fog that's gonna be affecting uh central and eastern areas of England.
57:30
SPEAKER_00: Some of that could be quite dense in places.
57:32
SPEAKER_00: I think it's probably gonna be fairly patchy.
57:34
SPEAKER_00: It's slow to clear away.
57:36
SPEAKER_00: More cloud across northern and western areas of the country, more of a breeze effect in the west as well.
57:41
SPEAKER_00: So hence uh no fog there.
57:44
SPEAKER_00: Bits and pieces of drizzly rain affecting northern and western parts of Scotland and uh western parts of Ireland, but for most it should be fair.
57:52
SPEAKER_00: I think probably fairly hazy, and particularly through northern, central, southern areas.
57:58
SPEAKER_00: But generally it looks like being fliable overall, and we're looking at bases eventually getting up to around 4,000 feet, toppers at 8,000 feet.
58:05
SPEAKER_00: Um always more cloud western Scotland as we've just seen.
58:08
SPEAKER_00: Bases here 2,000 feet, the toppers at about 10,000 feet, but less than a thousand foot bases in the rain, affecting western Scotland and Western Ireland.
58:17
SPEAKER_00: Winds are just going to be light to uh southeasterly.
58:22
SPEAKER_00: Now, overnight into Saturday, fog is going to be forming again, this time quite widespread.
58:27
SPEAKER_00: I think anywhere really through Scotland, through much of England and Wales, looks like it could be affected by fog.
58:34
SPEAKER_00: Um a little bit hit and miss because it all depends on how much cloud there is that drifts in off the north sea, particularly across eastern parts of England.
58:42
SPEAKER_00: But I do think that we are going to be in for quite a foggy start across many parts of the country on Saturday morning.
58:50
SPEAKER_00: Some uh rain across northern and western Scotland through western parts of Ireland, leaving it misty and murky here.
58:57
SPEAKER_00: Now, during the day on Saturday, so the mist and fog should lift from most areas, but very, very light winds, and I think probably m many of us still staying quite misty or hazy through the day.
59:10
SPEAKER_00: Could even be some fog patches that linger well into the afternoon across parts of England and Wales.
59:17
SPEAKER_00: I think by the afternoon the uh weak front lying through Scotland and Ireland just bringing murky conditions here, and you've got to say non-vrable low cloud because of that front, less than a thousand foot bases, tops are probably around ten thousand feet.
59:31
SPEAKER_00: Other areas actually, it's fairly clear skies if we can just get rid of that mist and fog.
59:38
SPEAKER_00: And then going into uh Sunday, well, the remnants of the front slipping south through northern parts of England on Sunday, quite murky uh across much of northern England, southern parts of Ireland, less than a thousand foot bases, but probably eight thousand foot tops, bits of drizzle, poor visibility as well.
59:56
SPEAKER_00: And across central and southern parts of England, very light winds again, leading to mist and fog once more.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_00: And um, I think we do have to say that some of that could linger well into the afternoon.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, there'll be more than the official forecasts that come out, of course, with the times of clearance of the mist and fog.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_00: Actually, much brighter and uh fresher across Scotland and Northern Ireland through Sunday afternoon.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_00: So for me, um Saturday actually looks to be the better of the days if we can just get that Mist and Fog to live.
1:00:27
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1:01:20
SPEAKER_06: That doesn't look bad.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_06: Pretty some sunshine, some cloud.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's right.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_06: Light winds.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_06: Yep, see what happens.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_06: Sunshine on a rainy day.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_03: Well, let's hope so, because there there is an event uh this weekend.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_03: There's on Saturday, the 31st of October, there's the pumpkin flying at Fenland.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_06: Do you have to fly in in a pumpkin?
1:01:38
SPEAKER_03: Ideally not.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_06: It's just don't throw pumpkins from an aeroplane.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_06: No, no, it's not allowed.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_03: It's obviously a Halloween event.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_03: On the next day, on Sunday the 1st, there's the adventure of flight uh discussion in uh London.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_03: This is in in aid of uh airability.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_03: Thursday the 5th of November, but looking a bit further ahead, there's a fireworks night flying at Slate.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_03: Obviously, the airfield is closed during the fireworks display.
1:02:05
SPEAKER_03: Uh they and it looks like you should really fly in and leave the next day, you know, go and stay in a hotel or something.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, probably.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_03: On Friday, the 6th of November, there's the uh Royal Aeronautical Society Light Aircraft Design Conference.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_03: And on Saturday, the 7th of November, we've already mentioned it once, that's Pilot Careers Live in London at Heathrow.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
1:02:27
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