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Talks to Luke Molloy & Dylan Rees about their choice of The Keys of Marinus (2/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing quicker
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  quicker. Hello and welcome back to
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  Hamster with a Blunt Pen Knife, the Doctor Who Commentary
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  podcast with hey, the biggest hoe in the business, Joe Ford.
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  I didn't realise I sounded Welsh because that's what you sounded
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  like in that intro. Oh yeah, and the second biggest
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  hoe, Dylan Reece. Excellent.
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  I thought you were going for Rosser T Davis rather than Joe
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  Ford with that intro but. Dylan, we've never compared
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  notes, have we? Just how much of A hoe the two
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  of us are? We'll have to do that next time
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  we meet. We are massive hoes.
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  Well we are doing the velvet web and if anyone gets balls, not
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  saying we will but if anyone does we you could just compare
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  your hoe lists. We could have a hoe down.
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  Yeah, I mean, I'm going to give a little spoiler.
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  This might be my favorite episode of the entire story.
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  Oh, that is a spoiler. Yeah, I love a big brain in the
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  jar with eyes. I think, I think like there's
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  something inside of every sci-fi Doctor, a fan that you just
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  can't not love A brain in the jar, right?
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  And didn't didn't they really fuck up in those two?
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  No. 12. Doctors Christmas.
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  Specials where where the brain creatures weren't weren't the
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  brains of acomorphic or whatever.
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  Oh. OK, yeah, you've got a point.
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  I thought you're just saying the episodes for shit.
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  And if they opened up their heads and those enormous eyes
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  came out, that would have been wonderful.
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  There's brains in cupboards there as well, like.
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  The the whole episodes could be the same and they could just
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  call them the brains of them often.
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  Yeah, if if Doctor Mysterio was a Keys of Mariner sequel, I
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  would it would be in my top 10, but it's in my bottom 5 and.
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  It's not like the new series is above all that sort of thing.
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  The sense fear is mentioned in Planet of the Ute Yeah.
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  So they will make those links. Show up.
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  Exactly. And in in the sequel to Doctor
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  Mysterio, Ghost stories, they don't even appear there as well.
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  You could have it's a comic joke.
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  So it's a it's a Titan comic. Oh.
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  But that's. Too hot for me, I'm afraid.
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  It's very hot, but you could have the brains of Morphs on
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  versus Harmony show. Who doesn't want to see that?
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  Who's Harmony show again? No, I'm being serious.
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  Speaking for the everyday. It's not like people that took
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  their heads off. Yeah, they're the brain people.
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  God. Yeah, no, the brains of Morphton
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  are much better. They they infiltrated unit back
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  at the end of Mysterio so that's still waiting to pay off.
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  I'm still waiting for that. Not.
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  Steven Moffett Christmas special.
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  Actually, that's what he's coming back for if C Tech came
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  back last year. Harmony Show season 2 finale
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  bets. Are all yes.
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  All my bets are off for a very different reason.
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  Can I ask you a question about this episode?
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  Because there's a wonderful moment in this, and I want to
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  ask, is it the first meta Doctor Who joke or is it just a quirky
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  idea? The bit, you know, where they go
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  into that empty room and go, my God, what a fabulous laboratory
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  this is with all this amazing equipment and it's a table and a
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  dirty mug, which is obviously the sort of thing we usually get
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  in Doctor Who is sort of going ahead when people are talking
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  about amazing laboratories. Is that a meta joke or is it
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  just a quirky idea? No, I think it's just a quirky.
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  Idea. Yeah, a quirky idea.
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  Really fun 1 though. Yeah, but I'm sure if you read
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  Elizabeth Sandifer's essay on the case of Baroness, she's a
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  half joke. Yeah, Yes, you do.
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  I've got it on the shelf back there.
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  I could read it to you. It'd probably only take 2 1/2
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  hours. I'd rather watch it if I want
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  it. Well then, why don't we?
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  Sorry. I'm sorry.
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  I'm giggling. Doctor Who?
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  The Atlas. I want to know where we are.
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  That was the most seductive. Why don't we?
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  He's ever said, you know. That's not true, Chair.
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  Oh yeah, sorry, yeah, who's countless in?
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  Oh, countless in, yeah. Go on, dude.
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  Are we ready to press play? Because, Luke Malloy, it looks
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  like you're doing some Googling. I'm trying to find the map of
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  Marinus. Oh, doesn't this episode
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  introduce Altos and Sabitha as well?
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  Yeah, exactly. The hottest couple in Doctor
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  Who. I've not got it the the until.
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  Ben and Polly. The Amazon sample only shows
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  trends a little and Mars Mars. Imagine a foursome between
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  Altos, Sabitha, Ben and Polly. I'll throw Jamie in there as
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  well. Oh.
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  I'd throw in Miss Kelly from Seeds of Death.
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  Jean, is it Jeer Kelly? Jeer Kelly.
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  Oh yeah. Jiha.
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  Kelly right been. Ready for the last two minutes.
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  OK. And 321 play.
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  Into the web Go. Yeah, the velvet Web.
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  Yeah, that's. That's, that's, that's yeah,
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  it's great, isn't it? It is.
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  Which what you said earlier about the sort of alienness and
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  the ambience. And it's got it all.
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  You know I've. Since did people think at the
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  time? Since watching Marinus, I've
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  been watching quite a few Hartnells just in.
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  Yeah, it's just bad and backing. What else did you watch?
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  I watched the gunfighters recently.
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  Little T little tease of the arc.
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  I just put 1 arc on. I watched the Toymaker animation
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  very recently. It's great, isn't it?
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  Yeah. Is it just episode 1 of the arc
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  you watched? Yeah, it just took just a.
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  Little fall's my favorite. What are you up to?
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  Were you up to no good? The naughty monoid.
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  The Toymaker animation, there's a bit, I don't really want to
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  spoil it in case I'm not, but there's a bit where you get this
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  huge toymaker drinking out of drinking cocktails out of a
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  TARDIS over and over again. There's loads of oh it's so
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  good. Yes, somehow they managed to
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  make that watchable. That is a true magic trick.
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  Unlike Ian Mavine, So what are? We seeing now what's going on
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  They're having. They're all been hypnotized.
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  That's right. So all of this sort of splendour
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  we're seeing that's not actually there.
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  None of it. Yeah.
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  None of it's there, yeah. They didn't have to build the
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  set then, really, didn't they? Oh no, that would give away the
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  twist. Yeah, plot twist.
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  And there's Babs. Babs just having the time of her
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  life. Having a decadent time.
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  All these people have said here's a load of free stuff and
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  she's just taking it. Yeah, this is the one place
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  where the three of us will be dead in a heartbeat.
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  A load of free stuff. We're there especially they're
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  offering out food. You're going to come along later
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  with a platter of food and it's like a bit of ham, cheese and a
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  grape. I.
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  Mean that's all I want in my life.
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  Oh no, we'd be getting offered Eagle Moss figures, big finished
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  CDs. They'd have the whole collection
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  of Jago and Lightfoot. BBC books are being heaven.
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  Long Barrow under the cosh. I'd just be having.
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  I'd be like, bring me champagne, bitches.
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  Champagne and Mythmakers DVDs please.
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  And a charcuterie board. Yeah, no, don't.
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  Don't give him that, he'll hate everything.
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  Oh, that's right, that was the style beast, wasn't it?
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  Sat down, Sat down with my charcuterie board, ready to
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  enjoy the triumphant return of Russell T Davis, and I was
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  crying into my fucking hand by. The hypnotism went off
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  immediately. I absolutely love their reaction
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  to the fruit. Oh my God, I think that's a
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  pomegranate figs. Wow.
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  Yeah, but what's in Britain? They're like Russians.
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  Are they? We're posting like 59 or 57 or
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  something do. You think we get figs on every
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  planet? Oh.
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  That is literally cheese and grapes.
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  Look at it. That is on there.
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  A whole roast chicken look. Oh my God, that is a good night
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  for me. We want to salivate.
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  And these ladies serving it? They can stick around too.
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  The brains can, can have me. I don't, Oh, actually they, they
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  try and recruit people into working down their minds or
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  something. And.
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  You love these sort of steaming bits of art behind them there.
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  It's space art. Not your average part, isn't it?
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  No. So if these if these aren't
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  actually truffles, what do you think they're eating?
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  Rabbit shit I don't. Want to know?
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  The corpses of previous travelers.
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  Oh, that's a dark reading, but could be true.
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  It comes out to us in his tiny shorts.
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  Oh yes? Do we see his thighs straight
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  away? I don't think we do.
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  I think so. His long robe.
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  Got the ropes. It's not until he's out on the
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  ice that he takes his robes off. Can I ask you a question about
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  the decor on Gallifrey? Because I think this actually
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  looks a bit more splendiferous than your average 80s Gallifrey
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  set. Oh, Gallifrey looks shit,
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  doesn't it look. At these fabulous statues and
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  things. I I suspect they've just raided
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  the historical department, but it works.
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  I was going to bring this up in part 5 though.
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  I think that there's the courtroom set looks quite
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  Gallifrey and there's a Gallifrey like symbol in it as
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  well. I'm sure there's some big finish
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  somewhere that weaves the two together.
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  I mean, they they reach a formula, don't they?
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  Come series 5 of we're going to throw all of our money in one
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  impressive set and set the whole story there, right?
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  Yeah. But I don't think any of those
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  sets are less impressive than the sets in this story where
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  they're doing one per. Episode.
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  I agree. In fact, sometimes they're doing
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  about 5 sets per episode. I don't it's around this bit,
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  but I like the normal silly interactions that are going on
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  in the background between like Ian and Barbara, but Ian's like,
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  oh, wait to see the bill and Bob was like, oh, we're in.
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  It's so it's so casual and it's very in the background.
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  It's just. Well, it's like Dylan said
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  earlier, isn't it? They're, they're finally all
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  gelling, you know, that sort of family.
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  They all want to be there with each other.
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  I mean, they got a lot of choice through this mission, have they?
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  Is Hartnell's wig shorter in this than other stories?
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  He's wearing a wig. I don't know.
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  What? You know this.
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  I mean, it doesn't. Do Hot for TV is here.
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  It's been glued on too successfully there, I'd say it.
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  Just it just looks a bit shorter than do.
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  You know that that wall piece, you know with the eyes that glow
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  later isn't that great? Yeah.
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  Do you know what though this is? I think this might be one of the
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  only episodes Moffitt watch between like 2014 and 2016
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  because there's they have the pain in the in the side of the
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  head, which is very last Christmas.
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  And obviously there's the brains in the jars, which is very
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  Doctor hysteria. I think quite a lot of Doctor
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  Who sits in Moffitt's head and he reuses it and doesn't realize
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  it. I'll be reading some smiles.
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  I've been. Reading some books lately?
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  Yeah. I think they all.
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  Do. Yeah, Terry Nation does it to
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  himself. What's it terroristic says?
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  Yes. You don't have to have your own
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  original idea. Use other people's.
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  Yeah, the goods look. At them they don't learn about
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  to snug. Look at that.
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  Jesus Christ. Come on.
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  Come to bed, Ian. Come on.
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  Do you know if we were watching this in the 80s we'd only be
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  able to watch episode 5 because all the others were missing?
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  Oh my God, that's a. Crime.
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  That is exciting, Dylan. Did you want to call me Ian?
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  Ian Lavino I. Was hoping you weren't going to
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  notice. Where were they?
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  Discovered Dylan. I don't know, sorry I don't have
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  any more information but I imagine overseas I don't know or
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  no. I think these might have been
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  ones that are in the BFI or something like that so they
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  weren't too far away but only 5 was retained.
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  Or look at the. Overseas, I want to know where
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  that wall piece is. Where is that wall piece?
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  A monstrous panting and wheezing is what the script said about
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  that. That's the last time you was in
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  my bed. Oh, here she is.
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  Sabefa. Look at that.
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  Angelic. She is beautiful though, isn't
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  she? Yes.
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  Do you think she sort of Sabefa and Altos could have been
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  potential companions? I think yeah, possibly, but I
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  think it might have been a bit too Spacey.
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  Yeah, but they sort of feel that like Vinda.
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  Is it Vinda? What is the name?
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  Oh. No, you don't remember Vinda
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  unless you're watching Vinda. That's.
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  The they feel the the Vinda role.
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  Yeah. But I could see like I would be
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  all for them popping in and out of other episodes of the
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  Hartnell era by the end of this. Do you think they're brought in
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  because Hartnell's going to have a holiday?
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  So you need to separate all the regulars and pair them up with
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  other people. He's off to rail or wherever for
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  a couple of weeks with probably with Jack Pitt.
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  As exotic as that you think? Or or Barbara's.
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  Things for Do you think Ian Stewart Black watched this?
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  Because this is a bit like they. It's very much cruising in
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  Macrotera, yeah. And then they're like being.
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  They're in a world where the have it, living in a nice state,
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  but they're actually working down the pit.
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  It is very. I don't.
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  Know if either of you noticed, you know, but they didn't even
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  touch that chicken. I just saw it again and it's
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  still in one piece. Susan would absolutely have a
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  bit of. Chicken.
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  I would have been like the master in the end of time,
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  tearing it apart. I think we get the first ever
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  POV shot. It's got to be.
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  From a human, I know there's a Dalek one, but how often do you
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  have APOV from the companion or the Doctor's point of view?
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  And we get this, and this is John Gauri.
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  John Gauri is still alive, you know.
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  Is he really? He's 92 years old and he
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  directed this and one episode uncredited of the Reign of
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  Terror when the other director Goths.
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  The only thing I know about John Gory is Toby Haddock said.
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  He was a very charming man. And he's done a hand makers.
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  He's not, actually. Is he not?
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  Apparently he went on to do a lot of work though.
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  Like he, he was a a busy director.
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  Yeah, I think he was one of those three people that just
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  passes through Doctor Who and couldn't give a shit about it.
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  That's kind of exciting though. I like it when you get these one
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  shot ones. Because there there is some
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  ambition here. It's not perfect, like there's a
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  lot of bumpy camera work and stuff.
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  It's, I mean, it's not quite a Richard Martin story, though at
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  the same time it's. Competent positions.
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  Reminds me of Dan Zef. Dan.
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  He did POV shots as. Well he did POV shots and he
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  just stayed for one and then couldn't give it.
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  So eerie. I feel like they're looking
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  straight at me, all of them. I don't know if Dan Zef went on
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  to more work. No, John Gory's middle name is
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  Summer. Yeah, yeah.
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  Oh no, look, it's that dirty mug.
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  No, this show though, it is brilliant, isn't it?
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  It's genuinely unnerving and. And the whole room looked dirty
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  behind them as. Well, something about you just
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  want to get out, but you're sucking.
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  Bug was you're absolutely seeing how they're seeing her and none
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  of them believe her. They're all being a bit hostile.
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  So all the 1st. Person's reaching for a knife
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  of. Course she does.
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  That's what she does every episode.
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  So the first part of the episode was recorded before dinner and
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  then the second part after. So during dinner, all the set
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  hands came in and dirtied it up. I wondered where the Turkey had
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  gone. Didn't.
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  Where have you got this from? I'm watching it with the
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  production. I love.
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  You production subtitles. Some of.
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  It yeah, some of it, I know. Some of it I am just reading off
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  the screen. Why is it in 60s TV when you're
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  trying to, you know, like shake some sense into people?
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  They genuinely shake people. Like that because.
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  I'll tell you what, if you do that to me, I'll fucking lump
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  ya. Get off me.
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  Oh, have this fabulous dress, Barbara.
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  Oh, we didn't comment on how much the Doctor was fuming when
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  Susan asks for a dress. He's, he's doing that sort of
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  paternal thing of like, don't drink all the fruit juice, my
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  dear. Barbara may want some when she
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  wakes up. Barbara's the only one that's
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  talking sense, as usual. Now this isn't from the from the
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  production subtitles, but John Gauri directed a few episodes of
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  Out of the Unknown and the music from these episodes, because
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  it's library music, shows up and Out of the Unknown.
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  Quite a lot. I really like the music in this
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  story. It's the same fellow who did
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  Unearthly Child, isn't it? Is it really wherever that stock
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  music's from? Yeah.
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  And it's all sort of strings and things and.
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  And Windows really off and like, it's just very experimental.
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  Did you just see how Altos was staring at us out of the camera
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  very aggressively like that? Yeah.
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  I felt as if I was about to be raped.
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  He's a bit of a queen, old Altos, isn't it?
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  There's something about him. I don't mind that.
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  Yeah, a bit. Rubbish thighs, don't you worry.
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  Oh look at this lovely set. Look down the stairs. 2 levels.
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  Go on, get behind the wall, Barbara.
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  They'll never see you behind the wall.
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  Oh, she isn't a dirty old dress. Look.
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  Look what they put her in. Again, this set could quite
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  happily be in the Romans or the Massacre or anything like that.
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  It just looks. Like or Name of the Doctor?
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  Yeah, that's what, a grainy dark look about black and white
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  though. I just think the sets do look
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  more expensive and when we go into colour and everything's
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  very clear in the studios in in the 70s and the. 80s I think the
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  part we are largely looks dreadful like.
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  It's. 80s is hit and miss. Yeah, it's.
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  In it's a lovely dreadful though, isn't it?
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  Because it's so colour? Yeah, I find it well, more
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  boring yet from like 76 onwards and it's a bit more clinical and
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  dried up. You know, if I went on a grinder
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  date, right, and someone turned up with two knobs and massive
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  balls and all that, I'll be so happy.
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  Look at those grains. Look at them.
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  You say a grinder date. It's not really a date, is it?
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  Where you. Go to get fisted?
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  No, that's true. That's true.
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  You weren't disappointed when I turned up?
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  No, you bought some myth makers with you.
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  Best way to wank? Oh, sorry.
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  There's got to be better ways to wank.
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  I can't imagine a better job. No.
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  Nicholas Briggs is very stimulating.
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  I can't imagine a better job, you know, than making brains in
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  jars for TV. Whoever, whoever had that role.
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  Many years ago when the Quiz of Rasalon used to be in a pub,
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  they did a Bake Off and I made a delegate from the master plan
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  and they were going to do another one.
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  But fucking COVID happened and I was going to do the brains in
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  the jars. I bought the, I bought the, I
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  bought the glass jar because you just do the cake and then I was
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  just going to get 2 sticks and put some like icing around them
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  and then some eyes on top. If you do that, could we cover
• 19:57
  it on too hot for TV as a as a thing?
• 20:00
  What would the too hot for TV Bake Off?
• 20:02
  Yeah, you've we've never done a cake.
• 20:04
  Before no, because it's on TV. It's got to be something from BV
• 20:08
  or something, doesn't it? It's, well, yeah, very.
• 20:10
  Cakes not being on TV sadly. Cakes are very visual things
• 20:14
  though, I think, and tasting, they're two things that you
• 20:17
  can't really get across on a podcast.
• 20:19
  Dylan, I'm just going to say this, Roy, because I know you do
• 20:21
  love me. Yeah.
• 20:22
  Should you turn up at my house at the beginning of December
• 20:25
  with a morphton Brain Christmas cake, well, our love affair will
• 20:30
  go on forever more, OK? I don't like Christmas cakes.
• 20:33
  Oh, OK, boom. This is it.
• 20:37
  We'll see Davis ruin them for me.
• 20:39
  No, I'm much more into a yuletide log.
• 20:44
  It's very famous fact that Richard E Grant has a I've said
• 20:47
  this before, after I've said it. Forget it.
• 20:52
  There'll be somebody that hasn't listened to that.
• 20:54
  So what does he have every day, every week?
• 20:56
  And every day he buys them in stock.
• 20:58
  Yeah. I'm sorry, I'm bewitched by this
• 21:01
  scene. I've never seen anything like
• 21:04
  it, says Hartnell. Doctor Who discovers cups?
• 21:09
  Excuse me if those books are kept going in the 80s like.
• 21:12
  Yeah, you could see Michael Gray taking that clip.
• 21:14
  It'd be like, look at this, doctor doesn't even know what a
• 21:18
  chip is. Yeah, so how did Sabifa end up
• 21:23
  here then? Does she go ahead to find all
• 21:26
  the keys? Yeah, she's got, she's got.
• 21:28
  Kidnapped hasn't. She well thought through this,
• 21:30
  isn't it? It's really well thought
• 21:32
  through. Are they going to pick up this
• 21:35
  ragtag bunch as they go from place to place or this is it
• 21:38
  only people? They don't take Vasil with them,
• 21:40
  do they? No, right.
• 21:42
  You know, you know, they are like RTD said about that idea of
• 21:48
  doing a big budget sequel to a classic story.
• 21:51
  And I think he initially said the arcing space, they sort of
• 21:54
  don't repair it to Mars. I would do the velvet web.
• 21:58
  I would honestly do the velvet web.
• 22:00
  Imagine the scale with like a good real good budget, comparing
• 22:04
  a beautiful world and in the same spot, an absolute ruin.
• 22:08
  Doing the PV shots through the Doctor and Companion's eyes as
• 22:11
  one of them's brainwashed, keeping them, keeping the brains
• 22:15
  of more obviously. Exactly how they are, but
• 22:17
  enormous. But massive, yeah.
• 22:21
  RTD still needs to figure out how to do big budget full stop,
• 22:24
  let alone. Are you seeing more money on the
• 22:29
  screen here then Dylan? I mean I wonder if you tracked
• 22:32
  for inflation which one would cost more.
• 22:34
  This or the fucking 73 steps or whatever it is.
• 22:39
  Oh, you bitch. Yeah, no, but wouldn't it?
• 22:43
  What? Like imagine if a season 2
• 22:45
  episode is a sequel to this. Yeah, no, I mean, I like how the
• 22:50
  brains pulse. I'm not, I'm not watching that.
• 22:52
  I. I would want the whole story
• 22:55
  though, not just episode. 2 written by Terry Nation, the
• 22:58
  estate. Yeah, no.
• 23:00
  John Peel, on behalf of Terry Nation, Nicholas Continuity
• 23:07
  Bridge would do it. He loves Terry Nation.
• 23:10
  Yeah. Do you know what really
• 23:11
  surprised me though? So I know we we said a few times
• 23:15
  the void of return, they really haven't returned all that much
• 23:17
  as you'd expect in spin off media for the second big
• 23:21
  monster. And I went out my way to see if
• 23:25
  Marinus had ever returned in some way.
• 23:27
  And it hasn't really like you've got the world shapers where they
• 23:30
  just say it is, but. Yeah, the World Shapers is the
• 23:33
  one where they become Cybermen. Right.
• 23:35
  Yeah, yeah. But there's not like a, there's
• 23:36
  not a another, there's not a book or a sequel or anything
• 23:40
  where you actually go and explore Marinus.
• 23:43
  It hasn't returned recently, but they're all over the fucking
• 23:45
  annuals and comics, weren't they?
• 23:48
  It I looked it up and it said they appeared in some sort of
• 23:50
  Titan comic where the war doctors stood on and it's the
• 23:53
  last day of the time where the war doctors stood on Marinus and
• 23:56
  a Dalek ship crashes on the Joe shaking his head.
• 24:01
  But like, but I'd expect because this, because this is a proper
• 24:04
  world and it is really sort of interested.
• 24:07
  I I thought there'd be at least a book or something set on
• 24:11
  Marinus. Rapey violence towards women
• 24:16
  alert. I do not like that he was
• 24:18
  throwing Barbara around and then strangling.
• 24:20
  Her not, not for the first time, and.
• 24:22
  Maybe Robert Holmes had a point. But also that you know this,
• 24:27
  this is not the most rapey, violent towards women person in
• 24:30
  this story. But also like, it's sick.
• 24:34
  Sabitha stools Altos and then Barbara does some Kung Fu shit.
• 24:40
  You know, woman power. They are, they are very adept,
• 24:45
  the ladies in this, but I just don't like seeing women being
• 24:48
  thrown around. Oh yeah, yeah, that's for.
• 24:51
  But then, you know, I'll say that about two sin robots of
• 24:54
  death when she's being strangled.
• 24:55
  Sarah and pyramidism last night. I just don't like singing
• 24:58
  violence towards women. The two swat is good.
• 25:01
  That's APOV shot. Well, that's a robot doing it,
• 25:04
  so it's a bit different. I think we've now just talked
• 25:07
  about all the POV shots in Doctor Who.
• 25:09
  That's about it. Now it's no what about the
• 25:11
  little green creature in Battlefield that pushes the
• 25:14
  Doctor over? The Dalek in remembrance there's
• 25:18
  loads. The Verboids, the POV's, Yeah,
• 25:20
  verbivoids. Can I ask you though, what are
• 25:24
  the brains trying to achieve here?
• 25:26
  They. Sort of lured them in with nice
• 25:29
  riches and then once they're fully under the spell they send
• 25:32
  them off to some sort of mine to mine some energy for them.
• 25:37
  Something like termination of mines.
• 25:39
  OK, it makes sense. You know that maze on the wall
• 25:43
  in Deaf to the Daleks? Do you remember?
• 25:46
  I do remember. It looks a bit like that brain,
• 25:47
  doesn't it? You can sort of trace the steps.
• 25:52
  Technically a PV shot in Deaf to the Daleks.
• 25:54
  Zoom in on the floor. I like, I like how the brains
• 25:57
  throb. Make of that what you will.
• 25:59
  No, I do as well because they could, they could be static, but
• 26:03
  someone's gone in there and gone.
• 26:04
  No, let's make these a bit. More real the vord also show up
• 26:09
  in Doctor and the Daleks, the Cadet Sweet Cards where they
• 26:12
  have a ball with the Daleks and in the Doctor Who annual the
• 26:15
  fishermen of. Cander Linga.
• 26:18
  That sounds amazing. Cander Linga, did you say the?
• 26:23
  Fishy men of cunny Lingus. Oh.
• 26:25
  Watch Barbara now smash in the jar.
• 26:28
  Go for it. But Mario?
• 26:32
  She misses quite a few of them. I love the way that the one
• 26:35
  thing goes limp. Have you ever had a moment like
• 26:38
  that? You.
• 26:38
  Know when? It really shouldn't.
• 26:40
  But you asked Drew. One too many beer.
• 26:46
  I mean my boss. Doesn't come back.
• 26:48
  No, no. We'll write it, then Big Finish,
• 26:51
  you'll make it. There's a book coming out next
• 26:54
  year of sequels. Isn't it immediately after?
• 26:57
  Yeah, basically my idea but. What the fuck?
• 27:01
  Who was the doctor during that whole climax of this episode?
• 27:05
  He just walked in and went, oh, so you thought it all, have you?
• 27:07
  He's on the Turkey. He.
• 27:09
  Went for a poo there. At the same time.
• 27:16
  It's a classic Hartnell move. I wouldn't like to have seen a
• 27:20
  bit of like, what do you mean they're coming with us?
• 27:22
  We're the companions here, OK? Yeah.
• 27:26
  Yeah, but they're probably like, I'd want to spend time with
• 27:29
  Altos and Sabitha over some grumpy old man.
• 27:33
  Is this a bit where he says I'm just going to go off to episode
• 27:35
  5, they'll see you later? Ian doesn't feel threatened by
• 27:41
  Altos, you know. Yeah, he's not going after
• 27:44
  Barbara. Do you know that's exactly how I
• 27:46
  imagined Jeremy Fitz Oliver to look like Altos, you know, don't
• 27:50
  you think? Is there anyone Ian be
• 27:52
  threatened by? No, that's a lot you're talking
• 27:56
  about, Yeah. No, he's he's indestructible.
• 27:59
  Yeah, have you seen? Him maybe?
• 28:01
  Halt the 10th Doctor, that's a no.
• 28:06
  But he he beat him just through dignity.
• 28:10
  Yeah. How do you feel about these sort
• 28:14
  of in story explanations of why people are going on holiday?
• 28:18
  So every now and again it is a little bit.
• 28:21
  And we've got to stop thinking about this like Doctor Ephans.
• 28:25
  Nobody noticed at the time. I when I was when I watched this
• 28:29
  for the first time, I didn't notice because I didn't know
• 28:30
  people took holidays and this is the one where.
• 28:34
  Did you think Doctor Fucking Who was for two episodes then?
• 28:37
  This is the world. It really doesn't matter because
• 28:40
  like Ian and Bob would just carry it in three and four that
• 28:44
  you. I didn't even notice he's off
• 28:47
  doing something at the end isn't.
• 28:49
  It well, that's put me in my place then, hasn't it?
• 28:51
  I won't ask you guys any. Questions.
• 28:52
  I think it's a stupid criticism. It does my idea.
• 28:55
  It was a question, not a criticism.
• 28:58
  I think he's gone to law school, hasn't he, to determine to learn
• 29:01
  how to defend Ian? Oh, those scenes are just
• 29:05
  sublime. You know when he's reenacting
• 29:07
  the scene of the crime with his cane?
• 29:09
  I love it. I suppose I am a bit of an
• 29:11
  advocate for Doctor Light episodes, but and if you get to
• 29:14
  spend more time just seeing the, seeing the companions without
• 29:17
  the Doctor around does give them an extra dimension.
• 29:20
  I think when the Doctor dips out of the action, it's almost like
• 29:24
  a test. Can the companions carry the
• 29:27
  show and knowing times that I tell it works?
• 29:30
  And it's more threatening. For them, Steven does in the
• 29:32
  massacre, Jamie and Zoe do in the scenes of death.
• 29:35
  Like a lot of the times when it happens the regulars.
• 29:37
  Are good enough. It's more threatening for the
• 29:39
  companions because they haven't got the doctors to rely on.
• 29:41
  And then when the doctor comes back, it's like, Oh yeah, he's
• 29:44
  back. Oh God, here we go, the
• 29:47
  shrieking wench, that's what. The next step?
• 29:49
  Go. Away, go away.
• 29:53
  You're not hysterical enough. Go away.
• 29:56
  So did you see recently that it was discovered that her contract
• 30:01
  it wasn't that she said she was typecast.
• 30:02
  Her contract was not renewed by the BBC.
• 30:04
  That's. What the official paper was told
• 30:06
  me that but yes. Richard Molesworth or Bignell,
• 30:09
  whoever does those production desert Diaries of like all the
• 30:12
  old paperwork, they uncovered it and she did not quit.
• 30:16
  They did not renew her because she's shit.
• 30:18
  There was a there was quite an early correspondence with Verity
• 30:22
  Lambert that said we don't want her to continue beyond what
• 30:26
  she's been contracted for, so they knew she wasn't working.
• 30:31
  I like her. More than more than more in
• 30:34
  O'Brien is Vicky. And more in O'Brien isn't the
• 30:38
  better actress, but I think because it's a strange, it's a
• 30:42
  strange alien granddaughtery figure.
• 30:46
  She's not a strange, alienly granddaughter.
• 30:48
  I I find. What's in Episode 1?
• 30:50
  I find she's. Got.
• 30:52
  She's got a. Sensor, She's got a.
• 30:53
  Strange face. She acts a bit strange, like.
• 30:56
  That's just her acting. It's not not just another human
• 31:01
  alongside two other humans, which is what it starts to
• 31:03
  become. Yeah, she's less than human, if
• 31:06
  anything. But then.
• 31:07
  Vicky is how could you be so cruel?
• 31:09
  Vicky is another human alongside two other humans.
• 31:12
  Yeah, she's and the dynamics much better it.
• 31:14
  Kicks ass. I know there's something very.
• 31:17
  Dodo's better than her. There's something for Joe Dodo
• 31:20
  does not get the credit for how well she can play the piano and
• 31:26
  she's unbelievable in the gunfires, like sight reading
• 31:30
  music off the bat. Wow, I.
• 31:34
  Fucking love Dodo, I think she's really underrated.
• 31:38
  I would have given her two seasons.
• 31:40
  Yeah, agreed. She's.
• 31:42
  A bit like she's got the same sort of amount of character as
• 31:46
  Clara, but it's fun. She's just always.
• 31:49
  Poking her nose in and you know, like going up to the villains
• 31:52
  and asking them are they the villain?
• 31:54
  Even if her nose is dripping with a cold, she's poking it in.
• 31:58
  The news is running well, guys. Look, we're out of the velvet
• 32:05
  web now. Where are we going next?
• 32:07
  The screaming jungle? Go ahead, go away.
• 32:13
  Can I ask you fellas how many screaming jungles you've seen in
• 32:16
  your? Time one or two.
• 32:19
  Yeah. Luke's gone very quiet.
• 32:22
  I'm staying out of this. I'm going to cut it, cut it
• 32:25
  there.