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"Weaponization" (Friday, May 22, 2026, Hour 2) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 1: First thing today on the Talk Media Network by Joe Thomas.
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  Speaker 2: Your words at steal me step you have a day,
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  Speaker 4: Joe, thank you for letting me be of service to
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  Speaker 4: because we try to keep it moving and I know
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  Speaker 4: how busy mornings can be for you, so we try
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  Speaker 4: to get as much information out there. We really haven't
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  Speaker 4: spent much time send it trying to blow up the
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  Speaker 4: idea of this weaponization of government fund. We'll get into
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  Speaker 4: that also, battle over the January sixth in general coming
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  Speaker 4: from it, tragedies and comedies and all sorts of things
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  Speaker 4: on the docket for this morning on the subject of
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  Speaker 4: the January sixth compensation fund. As we headed into our newsbreak,
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  Speaker 4: doctor Clark had a thought and he had a problem
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  Speaker 4: with it. So what was your problem Clark.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, Now where I do have a problem with the
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  Speaker 5: weaponization compensation. That's taxpayer money, and you and I are
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  Speaker 5: the taxpayers that they're taking that from. If malfeasance was committed,
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  Speaker 5: I think you go after Jack Smith, Merrit, go on,
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  Speaker 5: Christopher Wray, the lowest learners. Matter of fact, let's just
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  Speaker 5: do this. Let's seize all the assets of everybody that
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  Speaker 5: worked for the IRS, the FBI that was involved in this,
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  Speaker 5: and that.
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  Speaker 4: Gonna be the compensation fund. That is the best. That
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  Speaker 4: is how American justice is supposed to work. Because you know,
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  Speaker 4: if you're just figuring, well, I'm going to break the
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  Speaker 4: law and I'm going to screw people over and then
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  Speaker 4: the rest of the taxpayers are going to make them whole,
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  Speaker 4: what's the impetus into what's the what's the self interest
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  Speaker 4: in saying no, maybe I don't want to do that. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: we would love to be purists and say the morality
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  Speaker 4: against it would be I don't want to do that
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  Speaker 4: because it's immoral. Yeah, there's also that I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: pay a pretty heavy price if this happens to me.
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  Speaker 4: I agree, you need to have some some skin in
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  Speaker 4: the game. Yeah, this incentive, that's a good word for it. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: if you get caught, you have to put the cookie back.
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  Speaker 4: There's not any real consequence. No, no, no, no, you
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  Speaker 4: need to bake me a new cookie. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: that cookie you've been fondling and in chewing on. I
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  Speaker 4: want you. I want a new cookie. Uh there, I
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  Speaker 4: want at my house.
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  Speaker 5: When you got done doing the honey dance, you didn't
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  Speaker 5: want to go on the cookie jar.
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  Speaker 4: No more. I'm I'm here here in an odd situation.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not even sure I want to know what the
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  Speaker 4: heiney dance is. So I'm gonna.
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  Speaker 5: When you walk that rear end if I don't do
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  Speaker 5: the honey dance, you didn't do it well enough.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I think he's talking about disciplining his children. But
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna leave it at that, and you you insert
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  Speaker 4: your definitions where you want. But we learned something every day.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we're trying to do here. Our first things, though,
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  Speaker 4: so that we can discuss President Trump trying to get
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  Speaker 4: a fund to set up compensation for those who are
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  Speaker 4: victims of government weaponization of law enforcement are facing some
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  Speaker 4: headwinds in the US. Senators committees are trying to block
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  Speaker 4: the setup of this fund, which was moneis set aside
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  Speaker 4: as stipulation in the settlement of President Trump's multimillion dollar
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  Speaker 4: suit against the IRS for leaking his tax documents. Now
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  Speaker 4: they're saying the oversight into it is sketchy at best,
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  Speaker 4: and that they don't know how to adjudicate who would
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  Speaker 4: become qualified for the funds. Meanwhile, in the House, Republicans there,
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for joining guys this morning. I want to
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  Speaker 4: go back in to this issue with the weaponization of
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  Speaker 4: government fund and the Senate and this battle apparently Todd
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  Speaker 4: Blanche couldn't answer some of their questions about how it
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  Speaker 4: would be managed and what is being learned about it
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  Speaker 4: and why senators are opposing it. I also want to
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  Speaker 4: answer this email about Tommy Massey that we got yesterday
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  Speaker 4: after the show was done. I'm not sure if it
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  Speaker 4: was an actual listener or something that was just kind
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  Speaker 4: of going out to people who do what you do,
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  Speaker 4: Joe and sort of that, oh he's a talk show host,
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  Speaker 4: send him this email. But it raises an interesting question
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  Speaker 4: in an abstract, So I'm going to read it to
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  Speaker 4: you in a moment. But first, our friends at jcsgold
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  Speaker 4: dot com are getting ready for what I presume will
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  Speaker 4: be a busy weekend. Considering where gold and silver were
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  Speaker 4: yesterday when we spoke, sure it would be easier for
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  Speaker 4: me to just go to jcsgold dot com and not
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  Speaker 4: bother James Luck at this hour of the morning and say, hey, James,
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  Speaker 4: how's gold and silver? And maybe you do the same.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want you to try to do this yourself.
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  Speaker 4: It's very easy just to go to jcsgold dot com.
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  Speaker 4: The price of gold and silver are sitting right there
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  Speaker 4: on the screen. But I like talking to James, and
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  Speaker 4: I want you to feel like you can call James
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  Speaker 4: as well at four three four nine seventy nine coins.
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  Speaker 4: So good morning, James, Happy Memorial Day weekend. How are
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  Speaker 4: you doing.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Joe.
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  Speaker 17: Happy Memorial Day weekend to you and your family as well.
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  Speaker 17: Hopefully you can enjoy it. I don't worry about talking
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  Speaker 17: to me about gold and silver. I am always thinking
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  Speaker 17: about gold and silver. Sometimes even have dreams about gold
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  Speaker 17: and silver. So it's hard to you're not the only
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  Speaker 17: one at anything else.
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  Speaker 4: I have to say, you're probably not the only one
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  Speaker 4: where gold and silver appears in their dreams.
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  Speaker 17: Absolutely, And you know, we're getting a little discount still today.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same theme as it's been all week.
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  Speaker 4: Gold and silver have.
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  Speaker 17: Been covering right around these same levels. Gold's down just
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  Speaker 17: about a third of a percent, down thirteen dollars to
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  Speaker 17: four thousand, five hundred and twenty nine dollars, so we
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  Speaker 17: did get above forty five hundred, and so far we're
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  Speaker 17: staying there, which is always a good sign for gold.
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  Speaker 17: And like we've been saying, a very comfortable level here
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  Speaker 17: for gold right around forty five hundred, just above. Silver
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  Speaker 17: is down about three quarters of a percent to seventy
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  Speaker 17: six dollars and eleven cents.
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  Speaker 3: Same story there.
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  Speaker 17: Silver above seventy five, you know, feels good, and we
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  Speaker 17: need to get back and try to test eighty hopefully
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  Speaker 17: next week.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's interesting. I was just at a
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  Speaker 4: speaking engagement last night and somebody said, you know, it
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  Speaker 4: must be awkward to have to go out and talk
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  Speaker 4: about politics and government and law and all that stuff
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  Speaker 4: after you do it for four hours in the morning.
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  Speaker 4: I said, you know, I used to bristle at that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I used to. I used to. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you get to a barbecue and somebody shays, so what
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  Speaker 4: do you think about the governor? But you know what,
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  Speaker 4: it's what I'm known for. If I'm known for anything,
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  Speaker 4: then okay, I'm guilty as charge. I'll do some some
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  Speaker 4: you know, street corner rendition of the radio show over
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  Speaker 4: a couple of adult beverages. So I don't mind talking
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  Speaker 4: about what I talk about your expertise. I'm sure you
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  Speaker 4: get invited to a Memorial Day barbecue. It's like, hey, James,
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  Speaker 4: what's going on with golden celberries?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 4: And and and I hope you you have as much
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  Speaker 4: fun with it as I do.
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  Speaker 17: Absolutely, And you know, when I go to the barbecue.
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  Speaker 17: I always bring my crystal ball with me, so that's
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  Speaker 17: where all the good stuff is.
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  Speaker 4: I say, come, you get the purple drapes and you're like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, we will. This is our this is our
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  Speaker 4: secret here at JCS goold dot com. You see, we
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  Speaker 4: knew they had a We're still reading, you know, animal
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  Speaker 4: entrails to try to figure out things. See, you have
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  Speaker 4: a crystal ball. You're way more technologically advanced than we are.
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  Speaker 4: So all right, you have a great morning start. I
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  Speaker 4: have a great weekend. And of course jcsgold dot com
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  Speaker 4: is a website is open to you all weekend twenty
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  Speaker 4: four to seven. Uh, but you can call James anytime
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  Speaker 4: up through to Eastern this afternoon at four three four
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  Speaker 4: at nine seven nine coin and we'll talk to you,
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  Speaker 4: I guess on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 17: And as always, like you said, uh, jcsgold dot com
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  Speaker 17: is open all throughout the weekend. If you're relaxing and
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  Speaker 17: hanging out and you want to stack some more golden silver,
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  Speaker 17: take advantage of those prices over the weekend and I'll
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  Speaker 17: ship it out to you on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 4: Silver is great to see that silver eagles on the
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  Speaker 4: Memorial Day. Sounds like a winning combination. Thank you, James,
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  Speaker 4: how it going four three four eight eight two four
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  Speaker 4: two one seven for you and me? So, I received
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  Speaker 4: this email yesterday after the program about uh, Tommy Massey's
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  Speaker 4: loss in Kentucky, and a lot of my friends are
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  Speaker 4: bemoaning this, saying the Republican Party is dead, MAGA is dead.
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  Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson's latest take is this is the end of MAGA.
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  Speaker 4: And believe me, Tommy Massey is not, you know, blanching
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  Speaker 4: from any of this gravitas. But let's not overstate several
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  Speaker 4: things that went on in this because this this kind
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  Speaker 4: of punditry also says, well, you voters in Kentucky are
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  Speaker 4: just dumb as a bag of hair, aren't you? God
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  Speaker 4: fooled by a bunch of people like Donald Trump Tommy
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  Speaker 4: Massey's district. Donald Trump did really well in So. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Tommy Massey is an adult human being. He knew the
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  Speaker 4: calculus to push back against certain things. And this J
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  Speaker 4: six weaponization of government fund is also part and parcel
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  Speaker 4: of this, because the Left does this amazing job of
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  Speaker 4: spraying their stink like a skunk on your house cat
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  Speaker 4: and now you can't let the house cat back in
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  Speaker 4: until you get the stink off the house cat. And
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  Speaker 4: that's what they do with things like January sixth. So
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  Speaker 4: was it who's the South Carolina congressman that was buttonholed
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  Speaker 4: about this? He was walking into the house and uh, oh,
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  Speaker 4: it's Norman, you know, Ralph Norman. Ralph Normans is walking
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  Speaker 4: Tommy Massey, as a libertarian, needed to keep his chops
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  Speaker 1: Local and corporate controlled is still corporate controlled. This is
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  Speaker 1: on the Talk Media Network.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, every letting us be of service to you. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I write for the Daily Signal, mostly focusing on stuff
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  Speaker 4: here in our flying ship state of Virginia. One of
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  Speaker 4: our co conspirators there is Tyler O'Neill, best selling author
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  Speaker 4: of Woke to Pus and Making Hate Pay. That's his
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  Speaker 4: chronicles of his fights with the Southern Poverty Law Center
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  Speaker 4: many of the similar ones that I've had as well.
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  Speaker 4: Tyler was just up in front of the House and
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  Speaker 4: giving testimony on this fraud case regarding the Southern Poverty
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  Speaker 4: Law Center. And Tyler so much to get into with
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  Speaker 4: this group, and you know, you can make the case
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  Speaker 4: maybe they were started with best intentions and became corrupted
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  Speaker 4: over time as many organizations find themselves running around looking
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  Speaker 4: for a victim for them to advocate for, or as
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  Speaker 4: many folks say, they started with untoward agenda to begin
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  Speaker 4: with and just continued along that way, getting more and
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  Speaker 4: more bold and brazen as their time went on. So
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  Speaker 4: take us into your testimony and what you were helping
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  Speaker 4: the Congress look into.
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  Speaker 3: The SPLC claims.
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  Speaker 28: So this whole thing is kind of convoluted you know,
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  Speaker 28: they were paying members of the Klan and other groups,
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  Speaker 28: and they were paying this Charlottesville organizer.
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  Speaker 3: But they said that it was just an informant program.
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  Speaker 28: And you know, I don't think it's wise for us
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  Speaker 28: to dismiss that out of hand, because I do think
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  Speaker 28: the program probably started as an informant program. And the
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  Speaker 28: SPLC SAIDs in their court records that they had at
• 46:22
  Speaker 28: least a few times where they tipped off law enforcement,
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  Speaker 28: and those tips did lead to prosecutions. But you know,
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  Speaker 28: like like everything with the SPLC, you know, if it
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  Speaker 28: starts with good motives, that doesn't mean that it's necessarily
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  Speaker 28: going to stay with those good motives.
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  Speaker 3: And perhaps, you know, I wouldn't see, I wouldn't trust.
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  Speaker 28: I would think it's very likely, in fact, that they
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  Speaker 28: might have thought, well, we already have these informants on
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  Speaker 28: the payroll, why don't we use them to juice a
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  Speaker 28: little bit of the hate a little and so like
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  Speaker 28: on that list, one of the ones that always sticks
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  Speaker 28: out to me on that list is a member of
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  Speaker 28: the Klan who was suing for the right to sponsor
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  Speaker 28: a highway and the SPLC was paying this person, and
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  Speaker 28: that really, like, if you want to make it seem
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  Speaker 28: like the Klan is a real threat in America today.
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  Speaker 28: Having them do something very public like sponsoring a highway
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  Speaker 28: would be very.
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  Speaker 3: Useful for the SPLC.
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  Speaker 28: And so I see that, and immediately it comes to
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  Speaker 28: mind that, look, these aren't just informants. And Charlottesville is
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  Speaker 28: the number one example. There's a reason why it's the
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  Speaker 28: first one on the list in the indictment. As you
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  Speaker 28: were saying, this field source received two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 28: grand from the SPLC. Granted it was over like a
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  Speaker 28: period of five years, but those are five years in
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  Speaker 28: which that person you know, leads helps organize Charlottesville. And
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  Speaker 28: I had not heard until you just said it to me,
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  Speaker 28: this quote about running people over with cars.
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  Speaker 3: I really like to track that down because.
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  Speaker 28: There's so much more about the Charlottesville situation that I'm
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  Speaker 28: not entirely familiar with. Like I knew, the SPLC said
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  Speaker 28: they gave a forty five page report to the FBI
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  Speaker 28: ahead of Charlottesville, and they're saying like this is a
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  Speaker 28: exculpatory evidence for the DJ's overall claim. But either they
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  Speaker 28: direct either they supervised this person's racist postings, or they didn't.
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  Speaker 3: And if it's in black and white in the indictment,
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  Speaker 3: And then it sounds.
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  Speaker 28: To me like you have more information on this that
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  Speaker 28: I'd love to look into because I want to know
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  Speaker 28: exactly what they did. You know, we've heard a lot
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  Speaker 28: of smoke and mirrors from the left saying this is
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  Speaker 28: a rushed prosecution. The indictment stands, right, I mean, if
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  Speaker 28: the indictment's not going to stand, well, I mean here's
• 49:04
  Speaker 28: the thing. If the indictment's not going to stand, why
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  Speaker 28: did they just schedule a jury trial for October fifth
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  Speaker 28: of this year? Like, if the indictment is as flimsy
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  Speaker 28: as the left is saying, then why is this headed
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  Speaker 28: to trial and not getting dismissed.
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  Speaker 3: But the other thing that always stands out to me
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  Speaker 3: is the bank fraud.
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  Speaker 28: I mean, this is black and white, and I don't know,
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  Speaker 28: I've been hearing people say they charged the wrong statute.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe, but if you.
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  Speaker 28: Ask me, it stinks to high Heaven that you have
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  Speaker 28: an SPLC employee who verifies to a bank saying I
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  Speaker 28: am the owner and sole proprietor of Fox Photography, and
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  Speaker 28: then a few years later the SPLC tells that bank,
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  Speaker 28: oh yeah, all these accounts were opened and operated on
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  Speaker 28: behalf of the Southern Poverty Law Center. That's classic bank fraud,
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  Speaker 28: however you slice it. And I you know, the SPLC
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  Speaker 28: is smart. They're going to try to wiggle their way
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  Speaker 28: out of everything they can. But to me, that looks
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  Speaker 28: like they're deender rights.
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  Speaker 4: And and this becomes the thing is is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there are plenty of things where you know, you can
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  Speaker 4: see and you can draw the lines, but you know
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  Speaker 4: when you've got direct fraud where you have direct mailers
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  Speaker 4: from the SPLC and fundraising emails saying we're fighting hate
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  Speaker 4: wherever it's possible, yet they're subborting that hate. And as
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  Speaker 4: I understand the case, it's it's a mail fraud case
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  Speaker 4: because they were sending mail out saying give us money
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  Speaker 4: so we can fight hate, while they were actually paying
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  Speaker 4: for the hate. You know, and there are actual contributors,
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  Speaker 4: I guess at the at the core of some of
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  Speaker 4: these indictments against the Southern Poverty Law Center. But congressional hearings, Tyler,
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  Speaker 4: are are about creating policy. At some point, I know,
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  Speaker 4: it seems like it's the only thing congress s actually
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  Speaker 4: ever does is hold hearings pretend to be Jack McCoy
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  Speaker 4: and Lenny Briscoe on law and order. You know, was
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  Speaker 4: there any indication from Jim Jordan and his committee that
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  Speaker 4: there was legislation that they were thinking about that could
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  Speaker 4: be created from this case, you know, win loser draw
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  Speaker 4: in October?
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  Speaker 28: Well, they did, actually, they did actually ask me for
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  Speaker 28: specific recommendations, and I said, and I said the number
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  Speaker 28: one basic one, which is that we should try to
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  Speaker 28: make it such that no federal funding goes to organizations
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  Speaker 28: that systematically the same people and that create you know,
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  Speaker 28: that makes civil society on one side of the aisle impossible,
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  Speaker 28: because that's really what we see from the Southern Poverty
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  Speaker 28: Law Center, and that's that's at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 28: My biggest complaint with them is that they're driving the
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  Speaker 28: polarization and hatred and demonization of good people because they
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  Speaker 28: disagree with the SPLC's agenda. And you know, if there
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  Speaker 28: can be any sort of rider in funding legislation, if
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  Speaker 28: there could be something that says, know, this group and
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  Speaker 28: any group that systematically defames people in this way should
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  Speaker 28: never receive federal funding. That might be a small win,
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  Speaker 28: but I think it would be a significant one.
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  Speaker 4: Well, what about you know, the fact that they were
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  Speaker 4: doing political activities. Tyler Tyler O'Neil, Daily Signal columnist, author
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  Speaker 4: of the seminal work on the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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  Speaker 4: Think about that. We're coming up on the news here, Tyler.
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  Speaker 4: Think about that, you know, blatantly politicized activities.
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