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The Reagan Coup · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 3: Good?
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  Speaker 4: Good man good. We're gearing up for the holidays. I
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  Speaker 2: Have been hiding it from your mom?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? I hide everything from her? Come on, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: should tell their mom unless you have really fucked up boundaries.
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  Speaker 4: Have some feedback though she did give some feedback.
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  Speaker 3: She said I laugh into the microphone too much, and
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  Speaker 3: that was it.
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  Speaker 2: I found out at one point that my mom's doctor
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  Speaker 2: was listening to my podcast. Even that I was like,
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  Speaker 2: too close. I don't like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I think our therapists both listen, which
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  Speaker 4: My therapist told me he listens you mind it.
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  Speaker 2: Too, that it feels like cheating as a therapist, you shouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like reading the other.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of like it though, because I only have
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  Speaker 4: That's true. That's true. And they said they liked it.
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  Speaker 3: Inform me, or to listen to it and not tell us.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be weird.
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  Speaker 2: So I have been trying to record ahead a little
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  Speaker 2: a week off after Christmas, and as such, some of
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  Speaker 2: our recent episodes have been a little bit different. Normally,
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  Speaker 2: I bring very detailed notes and relay whatever information we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about to the guest or host, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: have time for those meticulous notes with the way I've
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  Speaker 2: been recording this week. So just like the Paul McCartney
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  Speaker 2: is Dead episode with Kim Krawl and next week's episode
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  Speaker 2: with Travis Clark about the Hollow Moon, we're just kind
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  Speaker 2: of riffin today, not really Riffin, But I don't have
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  Speaker 2: like really detailed notes to follow. I'm just gonna lay
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite pet conspiracy theories on Kevin and
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  Speaker 2: Lizzy and see what kind of response I get is,
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  Speaker 2: what's your experience with conspiracy theories? Either of you storm
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  Speaker 2: the capitol, you're on the East Coast.
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  Speaker 3: Legally, I can't discuss that.
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  Speaker 4: A Why do people keep asking us that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Is it our whole vibe?
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  Speaker 4: My experience with conspiracy theories? You know, I think they're
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  Speaker 4: you're they're easily dismissable, and then you're high at two
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  Speaker 4: am and they all start to make sense, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean. Yeah, I lost a couple of friends
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  Speaker 4: to conspiracy theories, but I think it's I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people did. When I think way back twenty
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  Speaker 4: sixteen Trump first got elected and people started picking sides
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  Speaker 4: hard For me, I had a couple people, and I
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  Speaker 4: think this is pretty common where people were starting to
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  Speaker 4: get red pilled really hard because of the way that
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  Speaker 4: they were just on Reddit or whatever going down like
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  Speaker 4: rabbitle Like, I think all information should be taken in
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  Speaker 4: and considered. Totally fine with that, but I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: like it's not written in stone unless it's proven, right,
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  Speaker 4: So I'm I'm like a pretty skeptical person for both sides.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of agree. I'm like in this weird
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  Speaker 3: in between space where I know a lot of like dumb,
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  Speaker 3: white trash people who believe conspiracy theories that end up
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  Speaker 3: being like anti Semitic and racist, and I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 3: you're this is bad and wrong. But I'm also the
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  Speaker 3: kind of person who like doesn't trust the government. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm like, some of it is probably they are
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  Speaker 3: lying to us, but not in the way that you
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  Speaker 3: think they're lying this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like we're for sure being hit with a lot
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  Speaker 4: of propaganda and stuff like that. Like I don't even
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  Speaker 4: think it's a conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 3: That's just what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. And I always say that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of the healthiest way to be, Like you absolutely cannot
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  Speaker 2: believe every conspiracy theory. That's a terrible way to live.
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  Speaker 2: And also just statistically, there's no way every conspiracy theory
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  Speaker 2: is true. But also when people are so quick to
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  Speaker 2: just say, oh, I reject conspiracy theories in general, it's
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  Speaker 2: like you trust the government that much, right, Like you
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  Speaker 2: really think the government never lies to you about anything
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  Speaker 2: like the war in Iraq was kind of a conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 2: We went there on the grounds that we were looking
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  Speaker 2: for weapons of mass destruction and we obviously were not.
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  Speaker 2: So like in that way, that's a conspiracy theory too.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm with you that there are also a lot
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  Speaker 2: of conspiracy theories floating around, especially now that when you
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  Speaker 2: peel the layers of that onion away, it just comes
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  Speaker 2: down to the Jews. Yes, always bad times. That's always
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  Speaker 2: bad times, especially like flat earth stuff, any Quanon stuff,
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  Speaker 2: any lizard people stuff. A lot of UFO stuff now
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  Speaker 2: is getting into weird like hybrid bloodlines and altered DNA stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and that is just all gonna end in genocide someday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And so it's like where do you draw the line?
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  Speaker 4: You know, like how do you go? You gotta pick
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  Speaker 4: and choose and see how much of it is based
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  Speaker 4: on implicit bias or yeah, that's whatever.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of what I'm up against with this podcast
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  Speaker 2: because I try to make it a very objective conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: theory podcast. We by no means believe every conspiracy theory
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  Speaker 2: we talk about. That's how I lose listeners is by
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  Speaker 2: putting out a Sandy Hook episode and being like, you're
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  Speaker 2: all fucking dumb.
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  Speaker 3: This is stupid.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's where you draw the line, is like,
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  Speaker 2: is it going to hurt people to promote a conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: theory like this? And uh, I don't know. I'd argue
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  Speaker 2: the one I'm pushing today isn't going to hurt average Americans.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you sent us the notes. This is actually a
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  Speaker 4: pretty playful one. I like this. I'm glad you picked
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  Speaker 4: this one for us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 2: It's just me talking about CIA malfeasance, and we know
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  Speaker 2: that's a thing that happens. What I like about this
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  Speaker 2: one is, I mean, I'm sure a version of it
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  Speaker 2: exists out there, but I feel like this is kind
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  Speaker 2: of my own little pet theory. Like I haven't read
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  Speaker 2: any books that point to this being the case, but
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  Speaker 2: it seems like an obvious trajectory for me. So I'll
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  Speaker 2: just say it right up top. And I've talked about
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  Speaker 2: this a little bit on the podcast. People will know
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  Speaker 2: where I'm going. I think the attempt at assassination of
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  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan was actually a coup attempt by the CIA.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons why I think that, but
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  Speaker 2: we'll travel back in time. How familiar are the two
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  Speaker 2: of you with them exactly? How familiar is everyone with
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  Speaker 2: MK Ultra.
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  Speaker 4: I know that it's the CIA giving LSD two people
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  Speaker 4: unknowingly to see if they can use it as a
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  Speaker 4: truth serum or something. That's basically the extent of what
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's about all I know too. Plus that's the
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  Speaker 3: scariest thing I've ever heard of my life.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's especially scary about it is, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: it was the result of Operation paper Clip, which, if
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  Speaker 2: you're familiar with that, that was the government program after
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  Speaker 2: World War Two that brought like Nazi scientists and researchers
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  Speaker 2: to the United States to work cool for US. And
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  Speaker 2: one of the people they brought over was a Nazi
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  Speaker 2: doctor who worked on I mean, any Nazi doctor is
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  Speaker 2: a concern. Like if you look into World War two
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  Speaker 2: and what the Nazis were doing.
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  Speaker 3: I would go so far as to say any Nazi
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  Speaker 3: is a concern. I'll say it. You know, I'm brave enough.
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  Speaker 2: Controversial, but I'm going to co sign that with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I also don't care for doctors.
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  Speaker 2: And we started this program called mk Ultra that was
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  Speaker 2: essentially a human experimentation program. And the thing about it
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  Speaker 2: is the argument today that you'll get from skeptics is well,
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  Speaker 2: nothing ever came from it, Like we didn't like, it's
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  Speaker 2: not like we learned anything about mind control. And my
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  Speaker 2: pushback against that is always one citation needed, like the
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  Speaker 2: government's not going to come out and just tell you.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the thing that points to that maybe
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  Speaker 2: not being the case is that MK Ultra lasted for
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  Speaker 2: like twenty five years. Yeah, it was a decades long
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  Speaker 2: program that once we finally found out about it, it
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  Speaker 2: turned out it was a thing that happened at hospitals
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  Speaker 2: and colleges all across the United States in Canada like
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  Speaker 2: for years and years and years and years. And I
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  Speaker 2: just don't know if the government would pursue it that
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  Speaker 2: long if nothing ever came of it.
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  Speaker 3: I also think it's kind of it's kind of crazy
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  Speaker 3: to me to say that just because an experiment didn't
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  Speaker 3: work doesn't means it didn't happen, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, right, Like I've.
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  Speaker 3: Experimented with all kinds of drugs on myself and a
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  Speaker 3: lot of them didn't work, a lot of them ended
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  Speaker 3: up really bad, but it still happened.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it definitely like fucked up a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people's entire life trajectory. Yeah, so it's already dismissed of, like,
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  Speaker 4: well nothing came of it, and like people should still
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  Speaker 4: be held accountable. Plus I think you're absolutely right, like
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  Speaker 4: if it goes on for twenty years, you don't keep
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  Speaker 4: funding a program that's not giving any sort of results. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so you know, put a little does a low dose
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  Speaker 4: and a little bit of water supply make it a
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  Speaker 4: little easier to get people to sign up for the military.
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  Speaker 4: Who knows? Maybe maybe?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things I always point to terms in
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  Speaker 2: terms of it not working is like, explain all those
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  Speaker 2: assassinations in the sixties, Like those weren't normal. They weren't
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  Speaker 2: like political assassinations. It's not like it was one country
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  Speaker 2: going out and assassinating the entire top level of the
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  Speaker 2: progressive movement in the United States. It was all these
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  Speaker 2: people doing it in like weird catcher in the Rye
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  Speaker 2: fashion and coming out the other end being like I'm
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  Speaker 2: a patsy man. I met a guy in a bar
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  Speaker 2: and I think he did it. And that's one of
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  Speaker 2: the things that was proposed about MK Ultra was that
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  Speaker 2: it was also like an assassination program, and so if
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  Speaker 2: none of it worked, why did that part work so well?
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  Speaker 4: Name something you say that's not normal. Was there an
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  Speaker 4: exorbitant amount of assassination attempts in the sixties seventies versus
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  Speaker 4: other decades.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you think of the just think about
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  Speaker 2: the civil rights movement. There was JFK, there was MLK,
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  Speaker 2: there was RFK, the entire Black Panther movement ends up
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  Speaker 2: getting infiltrated by the FBI. Fred Hampton was murdered in
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  Speaker 2: his fucking bed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In a lot of those cases, like JFK, there's obviously
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  Speaker 2: a ton of controversy around who actually did that. MLK.
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  Speaker 2: A thing that's been kind of lost to history is
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  Speaker 2: mlk's family sued the government over his murder, and they
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  Speaker 2: didn't win in that the government came out and said, yes,
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  Speaker 2: you're right, here's a billion dollars to make up for
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  Speaker 2: your loss. But the government did acknowledge that they were right,
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  Speaker 2: that there was probably some law enforcement and government involvement
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  Speaker 2: in his murder, and they were always adamant that James
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  Speaker 2: Earl Ray didn't do it. Like once you hit like
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  Speaker 2: the eighties, mlk's whole family was pretty convinced that the
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  Speaker 2: man who was in prison for it didn't do it,
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  Speaker 2: And so it seems like MK Ultra maybe worked a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. Whire is not ever going to be told
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  Speaker 2: that obviously. Also RFK, RFK is the weirdest one. Have
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  Speaker 2: either of you looked into the RFK assassination at all?
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember the details. I now that's the one
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  Speaker 4: I know the least of all these, of all the
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's not like a top fiver for me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one of your favorites.
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  Speaker 2: It's the one. It's the one that involves the most
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  Speaker 2: allegations of mind control. Really, he says, at the moment
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  Speaker 2: the murder happened, he walked in this kitchen, which is
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  Speaker 2: where RFK was shot, and that this woman he'd been
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  Speaker 2: with spun him around and like tapped him on the
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  Speaker 2: forehead or something and spun him back around, and he
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  Speaker 2: said everything in the room looked like targets and he
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  Speaker 2: just started shooting. And believe that or not, like that
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  Speaker 2: part almost doesn't matter. What's really interesting about RFK. There's
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  Speaker 2: a History Channel documentary from years and years and years
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  Speaker 2: ago that you can still find on YouTube. There's a
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  Speaker 2: moment where a cop is interviewing a witness to the
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  Speaker 2: RFK assassination and he's asking him what, like, well, how
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  Speaker 2: far away was Sir Hans sir Haan when he was shooting?
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  Speaker 2: And the guy is adamant that Sir Hans sir Han
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  Speaker 2: was in front of him and that they were like
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  Speaker 2: three to four feet away. The guy keeps saying, like
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  Speaker 2: the distance I am from you, that's how far he
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  Speaker 2: was when he was shooting, which is weird because Bobby
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy was killed by a point blank shot behind his
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  Speaker 2: right ear. So Sir Hans sir Han, according to several witnesses,
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  Speaker 2: was never actually close enough to Bobby Kennedy to kill
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  Speaker 2: him or to fire the shot that actually killed him.
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  Speaker 2: But something compelled him to show up at that Beverly
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  Speaker 2: Hills hotel that day and shoot at Bobby Kennedy if
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  Speaker 2: nothing else, and then he obviously went to prison for it.
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  Speaker 4: And know who's this woman in the dress?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no one knows, Like there.
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  Speaker 4: Was nobody in the dress in that room, wouldn't happened.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's pictures of a woman in a polka dot dress,
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  Speaker 2: but no one knows exactly who it is or who
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  Speaker 2: he was talking about, and you know he's still in
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  Speaker 2: prison over it. So what I'm getting at is mk
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  Speaker 2: Ultra seemed pretty real. Even if like the government never
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  Speaker 2: came out and said, yeah, man, we fucking learned how
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  Speaker 2: to program people to assassinate people, it seems like maybe
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  Speaker 2: they did.
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  Speaker 4: You would think, if I can play a little, you
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  Speaker 4: would think that they would pick people that are a
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  Speaker 4: better aim though.
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  Speaker 2: You know, well, I think that's what they were banking on.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think sir Han Sirhan is the one who
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  Speaker 2: shot him. I think the security guard who was walking
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  Speaker 2: him through that kitchen is the one who shot him.
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  Speaker 2: Who was right, if you look into it, he was
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  Speaker 2: like a huge right winger and shit like that. He
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  Speaker 2: was lapd. I know they don't have a history of
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  Speaker 2: conspiring with the government to commit violence to oppress civil
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  Speaker 2: rights or anything.
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  Speaker 4: But I hear you're saying, it's a fall guy, it's
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  Speaker 4: a pat seat, it's the grassy knoll a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And weirdly, I don't think that with Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I do actually think Lee Harvey O's Wall was the
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: only gunman at the JFK assassination. The only gunman trying
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: to kill JFK. But that's for another time. So and yeah,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: stop me if you have any questions or concerns or
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: want to poke holes in my theory. So that's the sixties,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: the United States post World War Two through the sixties.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: We're fucking with mind control left and right. You should
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: watch the documentary Wormwood, very fascinating. It's about the CIA
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and LSD and how they probably threw a guy out
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: the window because he was going to tell our secrets
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: about the Korean War. That's what we were doing in
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the sixties. We were just fucking up progressives, shoving drugs
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: down people's throats. And then Watergate happens, and with Watergate,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: like the CIA and the intelligence community was just caught
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: like they were caught doing very bad things. That's a
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: huge scandal, and that eventually leads to something called the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Church Committee hearings. Church Committee Hearings happened in nineteen seventy five.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: They called it the Year of Intelligence, and it was
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: basically the government taking the American intelligence community to task
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: for all of their abuses that they'd been doing for
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: decades up to this point. Among the things they uncover
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: during that MK Ultra comes out during that co Intel
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: pro which was the FBI's program of surveilling civil rights leaders,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: family Jewels, which was a CIA assassination program, classic Operation
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: mocking Bird comes out, which Operation Mockingbird was the CIA
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: sending people out to media outlets to try and influence
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: writers and journalists. Carl Bernstein wrote a really long article
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: about it in Rolling Stone in nineteen seventy eight and
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: also Project Shamrock that confirmed the existence of the Nssay.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: The thing about the NSSA is, until this happened, until
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the Church Committee hearings, the NSSA was just like a myth,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: like they were a rumor, and they've been around since
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the fifties. So the government kept arguably the biggest intelligence
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: agency in the United States an entire fucking secret for
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: like twenty five years, which I think speaks to all
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the other things they could probably keep secret over the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: twenty five years leading up to that, and the NSSA,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: like they were so controversial. Frank Church would not name
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: them by name. When he went on TV to talk
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: about the findings of the Church Committee hearing to the public,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: he just basically said, like, I have the quote written down,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: but it's it's so long. Fuck it, I'll read it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Fuck it, I'm gonna read it. If this government ever
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: and there would be no way to fight back, because
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: the government, no matter how privately it was done, is
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: within the reach of the government to know such is
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the capability of this technology. I don't want to see
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: this country ever go across the bridge. I know the
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and we must see to it that this agency and
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: no return.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: I gotta say, but like these conversations are still happening,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Homeland security sounds like the same thing. The mockingbird thing
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: clearly happening. I mean, so many movies and things have
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: already hit on this in regards to like how Fox
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: News and CNN and blah, blah blah conduct their business
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: and everything, you know, like like what happens like this
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: church committee goes in front of the Senate and they go,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: all right, we'll put in some new laws. But also
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: you know, it's the people making the laws that are
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: breaking them. Like what there's like nothing here, like really deep, ye,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Like we'll put.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: In some new laws for the people who operate outside
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: of the law to follow.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like yeah, I know it sounds kind of grimming backwards,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: but I think that's actually what makes this one of
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the more lighthearted conspiracies, because it's like, what the fuck
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: am I going to do about the CIA? Like am
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I going to bring them to justice? Because I talked
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: about this on a podcast. It's like, this is just
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: this is where we're heading. This was nineteen seventy five
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: when he was saying all of this, and like, think
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: of the technology we have now and how easy it
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: is to keep tabs on us.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, we're there, We're already there.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've like fully given up on that.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I'm young enough that I've always had access to the
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: internet pretty much and like a cell phone and stuff,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: So I feel like I'm of the generation that's like, yeah,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: they're watching everything I'm doing, and that's the way it is.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: But it does help with those targeted ads. It does
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: make gift shopping a lot, does.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Make it a lot. I mean, every targeted ad I
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: get is something I want kind of nice. Instagram's got
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: my credit card saved, I can just buy it, just
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: buy shit.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things where like that's it
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: would be so nice if that's where that technology just ended.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: If like, yeah, the Internet came about because I fucked
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: with the targeted ad really hard.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah hard, dude.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm all for it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: But there was a time when people were like, oh what,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: They're just going to use that to sell stuff to you.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: And I used to be like trying to figure out
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: how to circumvent that stuff for maybe for just a
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: couple of years, and then I realized, wait a second,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: they're just offering things that I know. I like, yeah,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: what's the harm in that?
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: And like, since I became a comedian, I've like made
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: targeted ads like here's an ad for my show, here's
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: an ad for my podcast, And I'm like, give this
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: to the people who are gonna love it, because you know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: I don't want somebody who hates comedy to see this.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I want the people who are gonna come to this
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: to see this.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of ways where the data
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: that's being collected about us, and that has been collected
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: about us is I don't know if I want to
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: say used for good, but.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: It's not used for good. It's used for profit. Yeah yeah,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: but it's not used for murder of citizens or even
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: mind control or whatever.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: It does feel like mind control a little bit sometimes
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: when like I'm on Instagram and I get a targeted
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: ad and Instagram already has my credit card saved, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I just buy it immediately, And then I'm like, why
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: did I do that?
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Did you see the social Experiment?
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they talk we are being kind of mind control
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: to buy things. Actually, So the one example.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I bring up all the time, Facebook at one point
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: filed for a patent for technology that would measure how
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: hard you typed when you send a text, because then
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: when you open the app, like if you type the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: text like really fast and hard, they're assuming, oh, well,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you're angry, let's show you stuff that will make you
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: angrier and keep you on Facebook for a while. Wow,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: And that I would argue, I don't care what administration
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: does it. I don't care who's the president's time. That
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: shit needs to be regulated out of social media. That
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: that's that's kind of what we're talking about here today.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: That's human experiment. Shit, it's just we're taking it on
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: willingly so it's not as controversial anymore.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like they are even like little things that
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: wig me out so much, Like when I decided my
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: brain that I have a crush on someone, and then
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: every time I open Instagram, their story is the first
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: one there. I'm like, Yeah, how are you inside me
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: right now? How do you know about this?
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, but they're not helping them get inside of you,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: and that's the problem, and.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: That's the problem. That's why I have a problem with it. Yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: also show them my first traps and it'll be fine.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Help them get inside me.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Shit like that is unsettling. And you know, speaking
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: of having given up and knowing that they're already watching.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I did an episode about a book that came out
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: in the seventies called The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: and it's actually the first book the government ever went
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to court to try and censor because it was just
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: a former CIA agent being like, listen, you're not going
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: to believe what these motherfuckers are getting up to.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And one of the absolute nightmare scenarios that he presented
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: in that book was the possibility that at some point
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the US Postal Service would be able to just take
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: pictures of every piece of mail that comes in and like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: now that's a thing you just sign up for on
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the USPS website and they'll fire off an email every
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: day and say, hey, you lazy fuck, here's what's coming
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: in your mail today. If there's nothing you want, stay
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: on the couch, Like, we just give that away now.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: But there was a time where that, like even the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: idea of the government having even that level of access
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: into our lives was like a horror story. And now
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: we're just there and you know, we still got the NFL,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: there's still movies and shit, so chill, it's chilling.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Both those are examples of intrusion being sold back to
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: you as convenience in the form of target ads or
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: the male thing or you know, yeah, well what happened
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: after the Church Committee.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: So two things happen after the Church Committee. I wanted
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: to blindside you with this one, so I did not
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: put this in the notes at all. Oh jonestown happens?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: WHOA?
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I have a ten part podcast series. It's on this pod,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But I did ten episodes about a book called was
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Jonestown a CIA medical experiment?
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: No shit?
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: And it is pretty convincing in its argument that Jonestown
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: is actually the culmination of mk ultruck because mk Ultra
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: was essentially this decade's long medical experiment where they're trying
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: to figure out like we know they were doing something
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: with psychiatric drugs. Like, there's not a lot of information
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: about mk ultra because after Watergate the government just starts
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: shredding documents left and right. And the only reason we
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: found out about mk ultra is someone filed a box
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: of like twenty thousand documents in the wrong location and
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: those were eventually found and that's how they came out
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: during the Church Committee hearings. Everything else about mk Ultra
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: has been shredded and is fucking gone forever.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: But a box fell off the back of a truck, wink,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: and now we got it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just got just got put in the wrong spot.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: So what we know about mk ultra is it was
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: this decades long experiment where it seems like the CIA
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: is testing the effectiveness of different psychological drugs, and the
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: next step in something like that, you have to do
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: a field experiment, Like especially if you're working on like
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: population control, mind control, anything like that, you have to
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: eventually expand beyond just testing it on one or two
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: people at a time. Eventually you have to be able
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to test it on a group. And the argument people
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: have made, and it's worth pointing out this was kind
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: of a mainstream argument after Jonestown happened, because it's fresh
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: off the CIA being accused of all this MK ultra shit,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: all this like actual human experimentation shit, and so Jonestown happens,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: and like there's actual senators and things who wrote editorials
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: in the New York Times who are like, this feels
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: like a CIA thing. And if that was a decades
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: long in hospitals, in college's experiment, you have to do
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: a field experiment next. And if you look into what
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: happened with Jonestown, Jim Jones had so much access to
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: government resources in California when he was building his Jonestown cult.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: They took over a mental hospital in northern California when
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: he was building his cult. If you look at his movements.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: He's near Cuba when the Bay of Pigs happens. His
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: movements kind of mirror important things that were happening with
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: people like Jim Jones at the time, like these charismatic
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: leaders doing heinous shit. Jim Jones seems like he was
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: maybe that. And I mean, this book it's fucking long
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: as shit. I did ten episodes about it, so I'm
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: like kind of bouncing around to remember it all.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: But so pause this, go listen to those come back.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: And what's interesting about Jonestown is there's Jim Jones, but
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: then there's the Layton family. Those were the people that
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: ran Jonestown. And Jim Jones came from God knows where.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, Indiana, huge rus so.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: You're gonna say came from God, And I was like,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: where are we going now?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: He came from He's from Indiana. But the Layton family,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: we're all like scientists and researchers with connections to the
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: intelligence community. And when Jonestown starts really unraveling, the first
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: survivors who start coming out to tell the story of
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: what's happening in Jonestown are the Layton family. So those
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: like Deborah Layton is probably most prominent Jonestown survivor. She
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: was like the number two at Jonestown. So it would
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: be almost like if Jim Jones himself came out and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: was like, whoof what's happening there? Is crazy?
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I want out? Yeah, Like all of the people who
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: did Jonestown are the ones who emerge as the survivors
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: of Jonestown, and so they get to craft the story
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: of what was happening in Jonestown at the time.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'm going to take this a step further.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: And then on top of there being a lot of
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: assassinations around that time, you also don't hear about cults
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: as much these days. Yeah, like it is a secluded community,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: you know, like like just like this Jones thing, like
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: there's there are a lot of cults popping up back then.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: And if you look into a lot of those cults,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: like the have you heard about the Sarah Lawrence college cult?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Am I name is that? Right? Because I feel like
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Sarah Lawrence is also an actor.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Sarah Lawrence is a college Yeah.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarah Lawrence college sex cult.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: That let's go right now.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Sarah seems cool.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: It's wild as shit. This girl moves into housing on
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: campus with a bunch of her friends and her dad
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: shows up. And her dad is this guy who shows
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: up bragging about having all these CIA connections and bragging
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: about how he can like do rituals and like, you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: help people with life skills that will help them become
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: better people. And he says, it's all shit he learned
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: in the CIA, and he fucking flips her entire friendship
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: group into a sex cult in the span of like
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: three months. Whys And I feel like, in my conspiratorial heart,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: this is a thing I'll never be able to prove.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I feel like the reason that guy like got caught
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and is going to prison for a long time is
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: because he took shit he learned from the CIA and
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: like not only applied it to civilians, but was like
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: really lucy goosey about it, because yeah, the things he claimed,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Like he would talk about how he had all these
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: connections in the military and how like even if he
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: got in trouble, people would come bail him out. And
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: if you look into his past that happened there were
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: points where it seemed like he was in huge trouble
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and like some government force of some sort just like
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: intervened and got him out of it. In this time,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: not so much. And I think it's because a public
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: story broke about this guy using CIA basically, I guess,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: manipulation techniques if we don't want to call it mind control,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: but it was. It's a weird fucking story. And you're
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: right to bring up cults because like the speculation around
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: cults is that when MK Ultra was found out and
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the Church Committee hearings happened, which the Church Committee hearings
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: are also where that thing where the CIA can't operate
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: on American soil comes from, like they're not allowed to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: spy on American citizens, which yeah, you know, yeah, not allowed.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: And also we have like seventeen intelligence agencies, so it's like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: just tell me which one it is, then it's not CIA.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: But yet one of the speculations is or one of
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the things people speculate about, don't know if I said
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: that right, is that when they were kind of ordered
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to break up MK Ultra, they were like, all right,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: we'll just like do it in colts and compounds in
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: South America and Central America and shit. And it's I mean,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: some people believe that that is why cults and compounds
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: like that start popping up at that point in history,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: and in that case, Jonestown would fit the bill there.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: And what's interesting about Jonestown. There was that congressional delegation
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that went to Jonestown and a congressman ends up getting killed.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Like they almost got away with that visit. Like if
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: that congressman had just gotten on that plane and flown away,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I think Jonestown would have carried on for a long time,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: which is bad because Jonestown was a slave compound. Everything
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: they say about that guy being like racially progressive is
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: an absolute lie. He was a vehement racist and black
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: people were enslaved at Joe Town. And I think if
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: that congressional trip went better, it would have carried on
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: for a long time. But instead it didn't.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: And so can you tell me more about that. I
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: didn't know about that, that there were slaves at Jonestown.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. The public face of Jim Jones is
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: that he was like a civil rights guy and that
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: he cared about the plight of black people, and it's
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: like the exact opposite. He was a vehement racist. Like
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: that part where people call him a civil rights progressive,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I think has kind of fallen away. Now like people
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: have sussed out that that's not what he was. One
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: of the things he did when he was cultivating his cult,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: one of the things he had access to. Somehow, one
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: of a member of the People's Temple was able to
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: get a job at a welfare office in California, and
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that person and I think there were a few people
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: who got jobs in that department. Those were the main
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: recruiters for Jonestown. They would get like the poorest people
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: like he wouldn't like go out into the community. People
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: would come to him and they would take these people's
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Social Security checks in exchange for the promise of living
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: in this utopia called Jonestown, where you know, everything's taken
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: care of, you don't have to worry about any bills,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: any rent, but you just got to turn your money
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: over to us. And basically everyone who wasn't white at
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Jonestown was that they were slaves. And if you look
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: into the deaths at Jonestown, that's another big misconception about it.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: It's always called a mass suicide. At best, it was
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: a murder suicide, and it was mostly murder. A good
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: majority of those people were shot. They either were shot
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: or they were injected with poison. No shit, The vast majority,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's like one in three maybe was like
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: actually drank the kool aid. And they have audio recordings
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of all this shit. It's fucking horrific. But most of
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: the people at Jonestown were murdered, which doesn't so much
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: speak to them being adherents of Jim Jones as it
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: is victims of something else. So that happens like shortly
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: after the Church Committee hearings have already brought all this
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: heat on the CIA. At this point, the CIA's got
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: a decade of heat raining down on them.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Also, by the way, it wasn't kool Aid, it was
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: flavor Aid. And I just think that that's me aid
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: me too. That sucks for kool aid man.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Doesn't cool or does it suck for flavor aid?
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Or as a good point, because there's no such thing
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: as bad press.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we all know we were gonna remember kool
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: aid anyway.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, some people think I have a conspiracy that Jonestown
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: was the greatest viral marketing campaign of all time, that
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: flavor Aid on and it backfired.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: And it backfired hard in a big way.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: M M possible.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: So anyway, leave a comment if you agree to and subscribe.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: All right, So, yeah, the CIA, they got all this
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: heat on him, and now here comes Jimmy Carter into office.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: And Jimmy Carter, one of his tasks is to take
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: all of the things that the Church Committee came up
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: with and implement them, put them into action, to like
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: curtail the CIA a little bit. And so that happens,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Like Jimmy Carter does take office, they end up having
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: their capabilities in the United States restricted. So then enter
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan favorite favorite guy.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that guy.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I hate him so much.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so so so much.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: I can't ye he I think he's universally accepted as
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: the president that did the most damage after his term,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: like things that we still.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, things that we still have to deal with.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I still maintain he is our worst president ever.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Trump was head and shoulders a better president than Ronald Reagan.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Like Trump only happened because of Reagan.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump only happened because of Reagan. And I think
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Trump didn't get a second term because he's not as
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: much of a warhawk as Reagan. And that kind of
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: speaks to what we're about to talk about which is
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the CIA. They end up getting, you know, kind of
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: kicked out of the United States and told that well,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: if you want to do anything, you got to do
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: it in you know, other parts of the world. So
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: then Ronald Reagan ends up running for president and something
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: unprecedented happens for the first time in history. The director
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: of the CIA steps down and decides, you know what,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to run for the second highest office in
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: all the land. I'm going to run for vice president.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: And that man was George H. W. Bush.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Oh shit, how about that the guy whose name comes
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: up in the jfk assassination all the time too, And
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: so they campaigned together and Reagan I kind of unexpectedly wins.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Definitely not because the CIA broke her to deal to
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: end the Iranian hostage crisis after he took off his
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: but he ends up winning. And then what happens eight
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: weeks later he is very nearly assassinated in weird as
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: shit MK ultra fashion by a guy who you know,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: said he was doing it for Jodie Foster. But true,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: that's right up there with you know, doing it because
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: you read some shit and Catcher in the Rye or
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: whyever John Lennon got shot because Double Fantasy sucked. I
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: don't know, I really feel like, in my heart of
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: hearts that what happened there was the CIA one just
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: trying to install the CIA director as president because people
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: weren't amped. When George Bush announced he was running his
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: vice president, people were like, after all of that, like
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: all of that CIA shit, Now a CIA guy is
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: gonna run for vice president. I'm sure it'll be fine.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: And then Reagan almost gets murdered. What do you think?
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad that Reagan almost got murdered because we
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: do have a near death Experience podcast, so it's in
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: line with what we do, and we should get him on.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, yeah, that's a good point. Yep, very well.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: I think that was very deliberate on Adam's.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Always be plugging. Oh yeah, for sure.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: There is something to the insanity defense type of thing
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: where I mean, I've never been on LLC and thought
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: someone was talking to me through the TV. Uh, but
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I have, you know, I could be convinced.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: But also, every time you've been on LSD, you've known
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: that you were on LSD.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Oh that's a good point that we know of that
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: So you know you can when you know you're tripping,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: you can be like, oh, I'm tripping.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: I really kind of buy into this theory. You're selling
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: me me too, Adam, because you make a good point,
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Like it's been a long time since we've heard somebody
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: be like, oh, I don't know, I was just being quazy. Yeah,
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: I tried to kill the president or whatever, Like you
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: don't really care about that as much anymore. When's the
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: last time like a big assassin assassination attempt has happened.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, Yeah, I mean in the
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: United States, it's kind of that, right, right y, Yeah,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: It's like but they kept missing their mark though.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy through a shoe at George Bush, which
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: was very Yeah, we.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Were talking about that before people started recording.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Yea that yeah, yeah, and I think that that was cool.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: But I you know, you could make the case that,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: you know, all this stuff was happening, could assassinations blah
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: blah blah, and then they kind of died out because
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: they weren't effective. I think the bigger question is what
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: did they figure out? Did stick? Yeah, you don't know about.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Spooky.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: One of the things I talked about the Church Committee
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: hearings on a different episode. One of the things that
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: came up in the course of that also was that
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the CIA developed a shellfish toxin gun that they could
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: use for assassinations, and they like show it during the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: course of the Church Committee hearings.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: They like that like sounds like sharks with laser beams
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: on their heads, like it sort of shellfish tocsin gun.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: And what's crazy is I hope they've just landed on
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: that for assassination techniques forever because it sounds so so nice. Well,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: you could just like you just like tingle for a
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: little bit and then you're dead.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: To be allergic to shellfish though toxin.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: From a shellfish. It's it's not just for people who allergic.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Dial hit or miss kind of assassination that allergy's present.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: They just hurl a crab, I get a motherfucker.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: They're like, Oh, we should have done peanuts.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: That's what I was just gonna say. It was one
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: thing that made me think of is like, what do
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: they do to us to make everybody's kid allergic to
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: peanuts all of a sudden? And what's going on here?
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: What's what's happening where? Okay, if need.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Be that did come on pretty quick. I guess, yeah,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: kind that nowhere right when I was a kid, everyone
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: was home. Maybe those kids were just fucking dying and
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: we didn't know why that could.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Be a thing too.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Maybe I liked I like throwing my own conspiracy theories
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: in here.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fun.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: They're doing things, you know, they got to you know what,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: We're not eating healthy food anymore, right, it's all it's
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: all gmo, and it's all bad for you. Everybody's out
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: of shape.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Why why Obama?
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that also made me think of that that shellfish thing. Maybe,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, Adam, I'm sure you've heard at the least
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: do you know about the gay gun thing, the gay bomb?
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: No, but I love it already.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: You know about this, Adam, Right, I think I've vaguely
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: heard about it.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: One of these is that like when you send a
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: bomb that has glitter in it to someone who's wrong
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: to you and then it makes their housee mess fore.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: He kind of yeah, Mark rover Man it No, it's
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: this thing that they were experimenting with where they were like, oh,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: maybe we can release like hormones and pheromones into the
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: air that'll make the enemy soldiers really horny and want
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: to fuck and drop their guns and not fight. That's
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: like a real thing that they were developing.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. We were looking into. Biological weapons,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: chemical weapons for the longest time, mind control stuff. It's
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: just what we were getting into as a country for
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: such a long time. Like so much of you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: like the sixties and especially anything relating to acid. So
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: much of that had to do with the CIA.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, you know, John Hankley Junior is
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: out of prison now.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say this. Yeah, he's of all the assassins,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: he's the one who's like out and fucking I looked
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: him up recent. He's like a musician.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Now, dude, we know all about this. Our friend Tyler Snygrass,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: who actually did the logo for our podcast.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Shout Out Tyler Snobgrass, And he's a comedian.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's a musician as well. He's got a
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: country music podcast called Take This Pod and Shove It.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: And he was trying to open up for Hinckley when he.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Was coming to Brooklyn.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he came a couple months ago and he was
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: like hitting up his manager like can I please open
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: for him? Cand of please open for him because how
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: fucking cool would that be? Yeah, And it turns out the.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Tour manager got back to Tyler and was like, yeah,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: he hasn't paid any of us, so we're going on strike,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: but you can open for him if you want. He's
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: gonna be an asshole and not pay you. And Tyler
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: was like, I guess I'm not a scab.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: So John Hickley Junior is kind of an asshole. Who
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: would have.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Thought, figure, Yeah, it is crazy that he's out of
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: prison though, because like sir Han Sir haan Is certainly
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: are hotly never getting out.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, John's white. I was just gonna say he's white.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: He also like has he given any interviews about this?
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I assume he doesn't want to talk about it, but
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: John Hinckley, Yeah, but he of all people could say like,
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I was kind of out of my mind,
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: like kind of felt like I was on drugs.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I don't know if it's the same for him,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: because did he ever go to prison or was he.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Just Yeah, he was autional eye, So yeah.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be different for him, like he doesn't have
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: to like eventually someone's just gonna be like all right,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: you're fine, get out of here. But Sir Hans Hans
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: in for real prison, and for him to get out
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: he has to basically say, yes, I take responsibility for
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: what I did. And that's the thing he's like not
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: been willing to do. And so Sir Hans, Sir Hans
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: never get out of prison.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, was John what have they have they given
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: like early on record saying what motivated them though, I
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: mean other than just there is a tap on my shoulder, like.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Well with Sir Hans, Sir Han, he has claimed he's
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: innocent for the longest time. Like they found like a
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: note in his pocket that said like angry things about
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Bobby Kennedy and said like must kill Bobby Kennedy.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: He just had that in his pocket.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Of course, that's because that's.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: What he was going to kill someone. I would carry
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: a note about all the things I didn't like about
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: them with me just in case I forgot.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to forget. There's so mu's happening
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: in Beverly Hills, you know.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, hYP himself up in the bathroom reading the note.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, Oh yeah, he's annoying.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's annoying.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna fucking murder. Uh fucking Bobby Bobby Kennedy, Bobby
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: whitch Kennedy.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Is it all? There's so many of those guys, like.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: His stupid hair. Pretty sure he was hitting on my
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: wife his jaw clicks when he choose and I'm ready.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: It's so funny that you mentioned there's so many of
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: those guys. I went to the Reagan Library recently. I
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: wrote an article about this on my up stack plug
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: plug Plug. I went to the Reagan Library not too
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: long ago to see the FBI exhibit because I, you know,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: fucking hate Reagan and law enforcement both, but boy do
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: I love crime.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: And sing it.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: It was legitimately cool, Like don't judge me until you've
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: seen the Beltway Sniper's Chevy Caprice up close, then tell
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: me if it's tasteless. That part kind of was, but
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I get all the way through it. I just went
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: through the FBI exhibit mostly me and the wife, like
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: fucking sprinted like track stars through the Reagan thing, just
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: to see if there's anything interesting. There is a room
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: where they play him being shot, just like a thirty
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: second clip of it on a fucking constant loop. I
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: spent I spent some time in there, but you're I would,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: But then I'm I went to the gift shop because
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I'm a sucker for.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: Please tell me you can get like an Teddy Bear
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: with a bullet wounded inside or.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Something almost what I ended up getting. Like, I had
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: a hard rule that I wasn't gonna buy anything with
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Reagan's name on it, Like that's a fucking hard pass.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: And that left me two choices. Either just some regular
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: ass jellybelly jelly beans that didn't like have anything government
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: on him at all. Great love them, but I can
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: get those at seven to eleven. Or the one non
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Reagan Democrat related thing they had was a souvenir program
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: from the RFK assassination. It came out the day after
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: he died. It was printed somewhere here in California by
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: this disgraced publisher who had only like stolen books from
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: people and gotten sued over it before this, and somehow
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the day after Bobby Kennedy was assassinated, he had this
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: like twenty page program with like all the details of
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: the assassination, all the bullet angles, like everything you would
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: expect people to have to wait to be able to
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: get access to and then there's a whole section dedicated
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: to the Kennedys and how tragic their story is. In
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: the last page of that section is just a picture
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: of Ted Kennedy and in big ass black letters, it
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: says one son is left like it looks like a
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: fucking wanted poster. And then at the end is an
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: article about how irresponsible it is that any would be
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: assassins of the world. If they want, can just order
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: guns by mail and that's how JFK was killed. In
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: this whole article, it seems like it's being like, hey,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: why is this a thing? And my question is like,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: why do you put that right in there the day
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: after Kennedy is killed, Like hot on the heels of
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: that one son is left.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Thing, here's how they're all getting go Yeah, yeah, I.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: Think it's a dog whistle.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: And it's like, is this part of it, like is
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: this MK ultra history? Yeah?
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: That Actually, when you said the Regin getting shot on
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: a loop thing reminded me of a memory I must
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: have repressed from when I was like truly a baby comedian,
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Like I it was like the sixth real show I'd
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: ever done, was this weird show that was like I
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: don't even know how to explain it because I didn't
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: understand what it was. But they would show like weird
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: sketches and do weird bits in between each comedian, and
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: then I was next, and instead of showing a sketch,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: they played the video of JFK being shot.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: WHOA the full thing?
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: And then we're like, give it up for your next comedian.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Lysy Cassady, I had no chops and had to go
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: up and be like.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: The dating's weird. They just inured you with the Zapruder film, Like,
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: all right, get at it this next comics A lady. Yeah, yeah,
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: but first back into the less.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Fully like did Jackie Kennedy trying to scoop his brains up?
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: And then me, yeah, did you.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: Get it on tape?
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: No?
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we can all agree. I've been absolutely
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: correct about everything I've sat here. I feel like I
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: don't even need to ask if you think I'm right.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're pretty much on board.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we all we all agree, maybe not.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: I have more questions than ever, but I'm not going
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: to defend Jonestown or the c i A or mk
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  Speaker 4: Ultra to anybody.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Trying to kill Ronald Reagan. That's cool.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: That is cool.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think trying to kill Reagan is a cool
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: thing to do. So if I was Jodie Foster, I
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: would be moved by that.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Some more NSA analysts just got their wings podcast.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: That's like, I'm so jaded to being like they're always
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: listening that. I'm like, I'll say it, who am I?
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: You know what? Is Homeland Security gonna cancel me? You
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: can't stop this podcast? Baby? All right? So John Hankley Jr.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Was one of history's biggest fall guys, became an American
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: folk hero. Now we just fucking shreds and crushes shreds.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Dude?
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Does he like? I don't. I haven't listened to any
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: of his music.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Folk music, yeah, this folk music. But I used for
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: sure groupies though, which is so funny to me, as
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: that's his white whale man.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah's The idea of someone being one of his groupies
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: is very funny and not something anyone here is familiar with.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine if I was full blown Hinckley groupie.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: I think I think get come on, yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: We should get going.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: We should get that going. If you want to fuck
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: John Hankley Jr.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: All Right, I'm pretty sure. Just try. Here we go,
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think you could. I'm making Horny for
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: Hankley shirts. Who wants one?
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: I want one so bad, dude, and I genuinely would
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: wear that.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Let's get a limited drop just to give us Horny
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: for Hankley Church.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you both for doing the pod, thanks for
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: having us on.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Of course, do we do we have any final thoughts anything?
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I think I think we made it right.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: If you guys want to check out the podcast, you
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: can find us on iTunes and Spotify, anywhere.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Ever else you get podcasts. It goes up there. Yeah.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: Probably, I don't know, but it does.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: I've looked into it.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, wherever we set it up. Close Calls Close Calls
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Podcasts on Instagram. If you yourself have ever almost died,
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: send us an email Close Calls Podcast at gmail dot com.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: We'd love to hear from you, or leave us a
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: voicemail at four seven zero not dead.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so those are kind of our plugs.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go listen to the episode I was on.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: It's real fun.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: I tweeted, It's so fun, tweeted.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go look at my Twitter.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: It's on my Twitter and go listen to my episode
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: Adam and I did of Unpopular Opinion when you were
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: in New York Man.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin was on the live episode which we put
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: out right after that. It's available on all the places.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Uh and uh do I have anything to plug? I'm
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: doing comedy again. I haven't done any stand up since COVID.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Welcome back.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, thank god. So exciting.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: What a lovely thing to come back to.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I'm doing a show with Danger Van Gordon February third
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: at the Sardine in San Pedro, which is a little
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: punk rock club, very fun. There's a nice taco truck across.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: The street and limited seats. They pack them in. I'll
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: be joke you.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Second comedian in a row to make that joke. Uh,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: so come to that. Tickets will be on sale soon.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the exact lineup's gonna be, but
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a fucking hoot. I'm gonna write new
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: jokes and just do them in front of people. And Uh,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I think that's it. Let's get the funk out of here.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Lizzy say goodbye bye everybody, Evin say goodbye.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: They O condios, goodbye everybody.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: We love you.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: I don't usually say it that way.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: People of kind of disaster