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Kurt Luidhardt: God Is a 4th Quarter Comeback · Why I Believe

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  Hello and welcome to Why I Believe.
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  I'm your host, Michelle von Ruuden, and today our guest is Kurt Ludhart.
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  How are you today, Kurt?
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  I am feeling great.
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  Awesome.
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  Can you tell us a little bit about yourself?
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  Yeah.
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  Um I am a spry 47 years old as of just a couple of weeks ago.
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  I am based in Indianapolis, Indiana, home of IndyCar and the Indy 500, which I'm a big fan of.
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  My wife and I have run a marketing agency for 20 years.
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  Uh and we have two kids, uh, four and six.
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  Ooh, young.
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  so we're we're right in the middle of it.
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  My wife and I have been married over twenty years, but we waited to have kids until a little later in life, which has its advantages and disadvantages.
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  Uh you can see I love to read, but now that I have a four year old and a six year old, I feel like I'm lucky if I can squeeze in twenty minutes of reading a day.
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  Uh and I'm glad to be here.
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  Yeah, well thanks for being here and happy belated birthday.
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  Um, I know the feeling with the reading.
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  I have a fifteen year old and a seven year old.
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  So a lot of the reading is kids' books.
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  Yes.
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  Yes, exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  Awesome.
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  So, um, thanks for being here.
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  I appreciate having you on.
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  And can you just give us a brief introduction to your relationship with God and what that looks like?
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  Yeah.
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  You know, I had the blessing that not everybody gets of having two wonderful parents, who both of which had uh great faith in God.
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  my father's passed away, mom is still alive, and we're good examples of faith to me and my my brothers and sisters growing up.
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  And so all of us became uh Christians at a relatively young age.
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  And
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  uh never felt at any point in my life like I I really doubted that decision because I've I had a good solid foundation and faith growing up, a good church.
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  Um so I wasn't I didn't go into college or some other place unprepared to to be introduced to other viewpoints.
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  But I also went to a great Christian school, Indiana Wesleyan University here in Indiana.
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  Which did a great work in helping me grow in my faith as well, and talked about a lot of deeper issues of faith and philosophy that I wouldn't have uh covered in high school.
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  And uh so that's always been a blessing in my life to always have that solid foundation of faith uh in my life, not to say I'm I haven't had my moments of questioning whether God
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  was following my plan properly or not, but
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  Your plan, right?
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  yeah, my plan.
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  Um, but uh I've had a great blessing in that.
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  Yeah, that's awesome.
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  I think that's great that you said your plan and you know, because the reality is is he's got a plan for us and he gets us on that plan one way or another.
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  And, you know, you and I were talking a little bit before and you said hindsight's always twenty twenty and you can s really see God working in your life when you look back on your
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  life.
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  What are some examples of that?
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  Yeah, you know, I I I wish I could properly attribute this saying to someone, which I read recently, which is you can't ever really appreciate what God's done until you look
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  backwards, right?
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  And there are a number of moments in my life when, you know, to to the statement I made before, I felt like God wasn't doing the stuff that he should be doing.
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  Um, I had a plan or I had desires, goals that weren't getting met.
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  And I I rem I now know looking back, I can see multiple instances where God protected me from things I couldn't see and I didn't know about.
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  One of the most early frustrations in my career was a job that I was supposed to get.
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  The my boss was leaving and he wanted me to take over.
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  for him and it was a big promotion, big responsibility, and a really exciting job.
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  And in the last minute, one of the sort of board of directors of the organization intervened and wanted to bring in an older candidate, older older than me.
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  I'm back in my twenties, right?
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  Older.
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  Um
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  And it it resulted in a big fight within the organization.
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  And my boss, Brad, he did not win and I did not get hired.
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  And I was very upset about it.
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  I was I was moving.
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  I was pl you know, I I was so confident.
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  I was already looking at apartments and and doing things like that.
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  And and then about six months to a year later, it came out in the news that Brad was embezzling from the organization or had been.
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  And the new person who came in had had been the one to discover it.
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  And and it and I re I as I look back, I realized I probably was saved from what might have ended up being really poor decision making, someone who I felt loyal to, who I might have
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  chosen to to give him a pass, or maybe I would have allowed him to pay it back, or what what something I would have done in my youth.
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  that I would know better about now instead of going straight to the authorities.
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  Or I might have just never looked because I trusted him so much.
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  And uh and then you I can see that, particularly as I started my business um just a couple of years later, about different clients that I wanted to get that I didn't get.
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  And I look back and I think, well man, that one would have been a real mess.
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  Uh and and so many times where in
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  In the moment I thought, we are not generating the revenue we needed.
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  We don't have the clients.
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  And almost without exception, uh God came through with things that I can't really claim that I I I got, right?
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  Clients that came out of nowhere.
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  and uh, you know, it's developed partially partially my belief, and I think there's plenty of scriptural evidence of this.
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  God's kind of like a fourth quarter comeback.
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  That's part of his character.
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  He likes a good fourth quarter comeback.
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  In part because as humans, I think when something good happens, we tend to give ourselves credit.
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  When something goes bad, we blame God, right?
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  And and so uh there's a if we're gonna if God's gonna get to glory and if we're gonna recognize who's responsible for our success, it's gonna be because it came at the fourth
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  quarter.
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  When we knew we it was a miracle and we knew we didn't have anything to do with it.
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  And even then it's easy to look back and say, Well, man, I I've got that client because I've been out there, you know, slinging it and having sales meetings and somebody heard
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  about me and that's why I got that client.
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  Uh not I had no business getting that work.
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  So as I look back, I see so many occasions of this, but it really does require you to look back dispassionately.
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  I think it's John Piper that says, God is doing ten thousand things in our lives, but we only we may only recognize one.
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  And there's a lot of truth to that the older I get.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, there sure is.
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  And I think one of the reasons why God shows up so well in the ways that he does is because when we're at that point, most people are desperate and they're surrendering
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  themselves, right?
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  And they're like, Listen, here's all my problems, here's everything I need, like you do you, right?
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  Do what you can and help me.
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  And I'm I'm ready to do it your way because my way's not working.
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  Because so often we try to do it our way, and our way is not always the correct way or his way.
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  Right.
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  Well, it's it rarely is, I think.
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  Um, you know, I think it's Tim Keller who says our three enemies according to the Bible are the world, the flesh, and the devil, right?
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  And the flesh is our own innate desire to run things ourselves.
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  And as a entrepreneur, business person who loves doing well and who wants to be successful.
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  I struggle with this all the time.
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  I want to run things my own way.
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  I want to work and achieve.
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  I don't want to pause, slow down, pray about something.
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  I don't want to acknowledge that there might be some knowledge that our creator has that I don't.
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  And so that's that flesh in us, right?
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  The desire to I want to do it my way.
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  I want this to happen the way I want to have have it go down.
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  and, you know, it's a it's a true enemy uh to
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  To our relationship with God.
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  Yeah.
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  You mentioned earlier when we were talking that there was a turning point in your life about three years ago when you decided to put him first, find your identity, your true
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  identity, is which is one thing that I really talk about, and starting to get rid of the idols in your life.
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  Can you tell us more about that?
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  Yeah, you know, it's like you said, sometimes we need to have some bad things go down for us to take a moment, pause and and listen to God and and what he has for us.
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  And um three years ago, now I remember we had one of our worst years in business, and nothing seemed to be going right at all.
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  And all of my plans seemed to be going wrong.
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  And uh
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  And I was really frustrated about it.
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  And there was a moment, there were a couple of things that happened that I think God used to get my attention.
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  Sometimes He uses things that aren't that are, you know, not necessarily faith based, but I was at a Tony Robbins conference.
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  I love Tony.
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  And Tony does his date with Destiny conference.
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  If you've ever been, it's a great thing to do once in your life, if not more than once.
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  I've been a few times.
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  And uh the third time I went, I was I had this attitude of, well, I know what's coming because Tony follows a pretty similar script.
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  He does some of the same things every year at this event.
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  And one of the things he does is he talks about um what's important in life and putting your your time and efforts into things that are important.
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  And to illustrate this, he shows the
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  Part of the movie Mr.
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  Holland's Opus.
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  Have you ever seen Mr.
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  Holland's Opus?
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  Does do you know what I'm talking about?
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  It's a good movie.
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  The basic theme of it is there's this musician who wants to write a world famous symphony, but you don't make any money writing symphonies, so he takes a music teacher job to pay
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  the bills while he writes his symphony.
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  But he doesn't really care about the music teacher job because what he really wants is the symphony.
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  And so he go he leaves early every day and he he he's he neglects his students.
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  But at multiple times through the movie, you know, the school says you need to work harder and then he has a son and the son turns out to be deaf and can't really appreciate music
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  and every one of those things, his job, his wife, his son, they're all getting in the way of his symphony creation time.
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  And he's got this growing resentment, which he eventually sort of gives up.
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  And he's he he the symphony kind of takes second fiddle.
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  And the culmination of the movie though is is the students at his musician music class uh on upon his retirement discover the symphony and play it for him that he's been writing,
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  right?
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  So it's this big emotional moment.
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  And so I know it's coming.
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  I was thinking about leaving.
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  But for the first time I thought I'm a lot like Mr.
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  Holland's Opus.
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  Um, I have some success goals.
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  I'd like to see, I'd like to make more money, I'd like to build my business bigger, I'd like to grow my net worth.
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  There's all these things that I was I wanted.
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  And I, you know, a few years ago, I had a couple of uh kids pretty young.
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  I mean, they're still young at four and six, but you're talking about.
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  you know, two, you know, three and one.
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  And and I was resentful in my heart of my kids because three year old, one year old take a lot of your time.
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  And that's less time on my success goals and less independence and freedom.
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  And and I'm upset at my wife because maybe she should be the one who does all that stuff and frees me up more.
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  All these sort of things that happen.
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  when your the the things that you idolize in your life are in the wrong place.
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  And uh I was given a great blessing because you know we all I I think it's um Russell Brand who says as humans we worship, right?
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  It's just part of our innate characteristics.
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  It's just a question of what we worship, what I do we idolize.
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  And uh if what I am truly idolizing and finding identity in is success.
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  Um then these other things get in the way.
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  And eventually success comes for its piece of flesh, right?
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  And a lot of men have that.
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  When their marriages fall apart and the kids hate 'em, or they they gain 150 pounds, all the consequences of putting your faith in the wrong place.
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  And I got a chance to see that Mr.
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  Holland in a fake thing and realize that I was heading that direction.
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  And it was a big
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  realization for me that I was I was putting my identity in something other than Christ.
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  I wasn't finding my satisfaction there.
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  I was out chasing after this stuff.
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  And if I didn't stop it, I was going to be just as angry and resentful as he was.
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  So it was a big moment.
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  It was very rattling.
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  I remember going back home and
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  Not sure what I was supposed to do because I, you know, so much of my daily rituals were all about my obsession with my goals.
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  And well, if I'm if I'm letting that go, how do I motivate to work?
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  It was such a shakeup for me.
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  Um, but it was an important message.
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  And you know, I keep quoting some of my favorite authors, so apologize.
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  I but you know, you can see I read a lot.
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  So, but Tim.
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  Tim Keller talks about this in his book, Counterfeit Gods, which I would highly recommend to anyone.
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  And it's there's a lot of good things in life, but if we put them in the wrong place, they become our masters, and they're all cruel masters in the end.
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  They sell snake oil.
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  Look, if you get successful and you make enough money, you'll be able to hire a nanny and, you know, have somebody clean your house and have a nice car and live in the big place in
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  the neighborhood, and then you'll be happy.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And but these masters are cruel.
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  They always come for their piece of flesh.
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  And we resist giving it up to God.
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  Even today, even today I was thinking about this this morning.
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  Um, it's not a one-time thing, like you just decide God's in charge, and then it just happens.
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  Um, it's like a daily dying to self because the flesh rears its ugly head again, but we resist giving
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  giving our life over to our one good master, the one who died for us and who who truly wants the best for us.
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  Um, you know, because it's given up control and it's given up the world and it's not listening to the lies of the devil.
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  Uh, but at least that's the one good master, right?
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  Not the cruel one.
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  And they're all cruel masters, right?
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  It's whether it's success and there's they're all good things.
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  Like you're you can obsess about your family.
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  And that seems like a good thing, but if you put in the wrong spot, you create a lot of pressure on your kids and on your spouse that you that they can't possibly meet, and then
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  you're unhappy, you know.
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  So that's a little bit of a big realization I had a few years ago, but I still even this morning thinking about Kurt, you've got to if God's in charge, you gotta act like it.
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  Yeah.
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  And and and that's hard to be sometimes.
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  So
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  Yeah, I think it's really uh important that you point out that you were noticing where you were sliding and realizing it was taking away the family.
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  And it's interesting.
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  So, our son, like I said, he's 15, he babysits some times for us.
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  And when before we leave, we're like, remember, this time is not about you, about what you want, what you need, what you want to do.
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  It's about her.
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  So your focus is on her.
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  And I think when we start letting these earthly things get into our heads, it doesn't become about God.
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  It becomes about
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  What's the next goal?
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  What's the next best thing?
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  What do I need to do?
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  What you know, what's next?
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  And I find with my clients that they're all still left very unhappy, right?
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  And because we forget our origin story, right?
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  Our origin is we are a child of God.
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  And when we don't recognize that identity and we try to meet all these audacious goals, we lead to burnout and all these other things that I could talk for hours on.
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  But it really comes back to when you strip all of that away at the end of the day.
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  What's left?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, there's a great uh sermon that Tim Keller preaches on identity.
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  Um, it's on YouTube for anybody who wants to watch it.
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  If you just search Tim Keller and identity, it'll come up.
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  It's a speech he gave at Wheaton College to college students.
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  And he said something profound in that speech about what is unique about Christian identity formation, what's different?
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  And
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  Even with Tony, who I love, you know, Tony will talk about um affirmations, and we you know, we gotta choose our identity, you know, uh get in the right state, um, have goals,
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  say, I am a warrior and scream it loud, right?
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  And essentially you're tr you're you're being told to kind of look inside yourself and say, what is it that I truly
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  on the inside.
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  That's my true identity, right?
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  So in theory, that means, well, I truly am a warrior on the inside, even though I'm acting like a like I'm not, or I truly I what I really want to be is a musician, but I've been
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  doing finance management, right?
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  That's the idea.
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  But there's something ultimately empty about creating your identity by naming it yourself.
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  And of course, when we look down inside and we're honest with ourselves, we see a lot of bad stuff as well as good.
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  Right.
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  So we see that maybe I'm a warrior inside, but I'm also afraid.
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  And I'm also a little dark in these areas.
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  You know, I also have lusts and I have gluttony and have all these things.
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  But what's um ultimately better about a identity formation on Christ is that your identity comes from outside and from someone who has the authority to give you one.
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  So it's sort of like in life, sometimes when you have somebody you super respect who says something to you that's very meaningful, it means more because it it came from someone you
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  respect and it came from someone outside, someone named you.
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  Now that person is imperfect, but God is perfect, God knows us best and he names us and he gives us our identity.
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  And there's actual real foundation in that because it's not just something you sort of rah-rod into existence.
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  And there's something I think incredibly powerful about that as you think about it and come to fully understand it.
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  It's also not achievement related, which is another key theme of Tim Kellers, is that you know, what is unique about Christianity is we're not in some sort of self improvement
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  program here to win God's favor.
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  We we get God's favor first.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, I say, um, you don't have to earn your worth, you just have to own it.
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  Yeah, I love that.
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  That's such a great thing.
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  But it's unique in Christianity.
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  Other people might say it, but it's in the end, it's it's still a mind trick, right?
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  And I you know, I go I reference Tony a lot.
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  I love Tony, and Tony, if you ask him, will say he's a Christian, but his programs are not big you know, he doesn't talk about faith in that way in his programs.
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  And I think ultimately.
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  Most of us in the self help space, we learn these mind tricks.
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  Like I'm gonna set goals, I'm gonna have dreams, I'm gonna have posters up on the wall, I'm gonna do my morning meditation, I'm gonna do all this stuff.
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  And I'm I'm doing this all to sort of trick my mind into, you know, some kind of enthusiasm and identity formation.
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  And I'm not saying those things are wrong um to do, but they're only like half the story.
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  Uh, because it's still just a trick.
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  You know, it's still just me saying my dream is to change the world.
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  uh, which means I can get up tomorrow and say my dream's not to change the world.
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  Um, and so there's something just powerful about what we what we have because of our faith.
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  Yeah.
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  So since you've had that aha moment, how are you walking that in daily life?
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  Well, there are a few lessons that I'm I'm I'm seeing illustrations of and I still have to do daily, which is um in my my morning scripture reading was from Luke twelve, when uh
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  Jesus is giving uh what is a somewhat famous reference to well look the if the if he takes care of the sparrows and he takes care of the
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  Flowers in the field, then how much more does God care for us?
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  And we can be, we can trust that He will give us good things.
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  You seek first the kingdom of God, and all these things will be added to you as well.
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  And so I I'm really working on the idea that, uh, which I struggle with because it's so against my human nature, that I can do my work.
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  And trust God for the outcome, that He has a plan in store, that everything that happens is either by His hand or because He's allowing it to happen.
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  There is there's no time when I pray to God and He's I'm glad you told me that.
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  I didn't really know that was going down.
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  And so I can trust and I can have faith.
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  One of the best examples of this, I we put on dinners for our, we have a community, we put on dinners for our community.
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  And we had one in St.
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  Louis and it usually had fifteen or twenty people there.
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  And I worked really hard for a couple of weeks to get fifteen or twenty people there and I just couldn't do it.
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  Couldn't do it.
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  I was very frustrated, kinda angry, complaining to God.
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  Why is everybody busy?
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  We only had three people registered to come, but we'd already committed to the restaurant.
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  We decided to go out there anyway.
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  We almost didn't go.
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  We almost canceled it.
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  Decided to go out there anyway.
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  We invited um
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  four other people for free just to kind of fill up the room.
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  So it wasn't gonna be just my wife and I and three guests.
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  And I thought these guys are gonna think this is a horrible event because it's it should have been bigger and it's all about networking and meeting new people.
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  And there's only two other people plus us and these guests.
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  And then in in the end, it turned out to be one of the better dinners we've done.
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  You know, we we work on a faith we have a faith based group.
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  And so we ended up d discussing about
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  God and how to run your business with God first came up pretty quickly.
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  And it was a there was a great moment that happened there where um you know one of the guests who came had really been struggling as a new Christian how to run his business with
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  Christ in mind.
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  And there were multiple people who had really thought and had done that for a long time who were able to uh speak into into his concern into his life.
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  And I left there thinking I should just decide.
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  moving forward that I'm gonna work my best, but I'm gonna trust God for the outcome and I'm not gonna stress about this and strive about it because he clearly had a plan.
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  He clearly made these other people busy.
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  Because he wanted those three people there.
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  And and if I would have done something, if I would have, you know, canceled that that the opportunity for that would have been lost.
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  And so that's a big change and that's tough for me.
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  And I have to do it every day.
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  Um
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  And uh is to to just trust that God has a plan that's better.
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  And uh I think the other thing that I'm really that's really difficult for me, again as a human, is to realize that my to-do list is less important than my time in prayer.
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  So I'm a to-doer.
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  Like give me a I like to check boxes and I want to get up I've I've always been somebody who does a quiet time, right?
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  But I always feel this tension.
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  I got this these things to do, God, and people have expectations, and I'm trying to meet these expectations and doing these things.
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  But there's more power in hearing from God about what I should be doing during the day.
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  And it's a constant mourning thing.
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  It's like, well, I'm gonna do a few I'm gonna tackle these couple things, and then I'm gonna get to my prayer time.
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  Um, which I was I was able to do that when I had no children because I could have four hours in the morning.
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  I would get up at five and do that for three to four hours.
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  I could do some work and I could do some prayer.
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  Now the kids are wide awake at 6 45 in the morning.
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  So those are just really trust things.
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  It's it's it's i in many ways, it's like the earliest question that the devil asks uh humans in the garden can God really be trusted?
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  Did God really say that?
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  Did he really say that, you know?
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  you would be punished if you ate or you would die if you ate from the tree of life.
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  It's the it's the it's the thing the devil's been whispering since day one.
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  Can we really trust God?
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  And if so, then that prayer time's 10 times more valuable than my to-do list time.
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  But it's so counterintuitive, uh even for me.
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  And so getting there, uh those are a couple of things that I've been trying to change and how I
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  behave and how my heart perceives uh these things, but it's uh it's not not been overnight change.
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  so good.
• 28:45
  Well thank you so much for being here.
• 28:47
  Um, I have one final question for you today, Kurt.
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  What is your favorite Bible verse?
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  Well, I'm gonna do two things.
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  I'm gonna give you multiple verses, so maybe that's a cheat.
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  I'm also gonna read it here, but my my wife and I and our family, our verses are Psalms thirty seven, three through six.
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  Trust in the Lord and do good, dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.
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  Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart.
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  Commit your way to the Lord, trust in him and he will do this.
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  He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn and the justice of your cause like the nonday sun.
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  Beautiful.
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  Yes, I love that whole chapter, Frenny.
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  That's what that's really my favorite chapter uh in the Bible, Psalms thirty seven.
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  I have the whole thing highlighted, which sort of negates the purpose of highlighting if I'm just highlighting everything.
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  but it's a great there's a there are multiple verses in that chapter that are well worth it from from King David.
• 29:49
  Yeah, wonderful.
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  Thanks again for being here, Kurt.
• 29:52
  I really appreciate your time today.
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  Thank you, Michelle.