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Sunset Blvd: One Famous Road · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and
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  Speaker 2: Jerry's here too. Jerry's being quiet and this is Stuff
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  Speaker 2: you should Know, the hair metal Ish edition.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we've done a lot of New
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  Speaker 1: York centric episodes over the years, and I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we haven't given La their due, a city that I
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  Speaker 1: know you love dearly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the one other city in the world New York.
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  Speaker 1: In La No, I just La, and especially this episode,
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  Speaker 1: this Sunset Boulevard. The street there aren't many, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a handful of iconic streets in the world,
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  Speaker 1: and Sunset Boulevard is one of them because it's just
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  Speaker 1: been historically packed with I mean, it's not just like
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  Speaker 1: film stuff. It's music stuff, it's literary stuff, it's comedy stuff,
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of like iconic cultural staples on Sunset Boulevard.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And it was obviously very well known inside of
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  Speaker 2: LA for years, but it wasn't until the early twenty
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  Speaker 2: tens before the rest of the world heard about it,
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  Speaker 2: thanks to the Aaron Sorkin show Studio sixty on the
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  Speaker 2: Sunset Strip.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I actually watched that for a little while.
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  Speaker 2: It was unwatchable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't very good.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody just breaking out into a moving soliloquy every seven
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  Speaker 2: minutes is the most unrealistic writing anybody could ever possibly do.
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  Speaker 3: That's Aaron Sorkin, baby, I know.
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  Speaker 2: But it only worked for West Wing.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't much West Wing at all, so I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen a lot of Sorkin stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It really worked for West Wing, but it did not
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  Speaker 2: work for Studio sixty.
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  Speaker 3: I do love Sarah Paulson though she was in that.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, that's great. I felt bad for.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did do a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: What was great is thirty Rock came out at the
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  Speaker 2: exact same time, and they would make fun of some
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  Speaker 2: Studio sixties like a plot line.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, in real time, Yeah, the whole what.
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  Speaker 2: Was the Janis Joplin story? They had to like rename her, uh,
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  Speaker 2: have rights to her life story? That was something that
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Paulson like, got it a gig do playing Janis
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  Speaker 2: Joplin on Studio sixty. So that's our Studio sixty episode, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: That's right back to Sunset Boulevard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yes, we should probably just say all jokes
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  Speaker 2: aside it's very long street. It's a very historic street,
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  Speaker 2: and it actually dates back to the eighteenth century, before
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  Speaker 2: the city of Los Angeles, as we understand, it was around. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: it originated in the Pueblo de Los Angeles, which was
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  Speaker 2: the little colony I guess or settlement of just eleven families. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was the seed that germinated into Los Angeles, home
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  Speaker 2: of Joe Friday.
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  Speaker 1: That's right in Sunset Boulevard before it became Sunset Boulevard,
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  Speaker 1: like many famous streets, was originally used as something else,
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  Speaker 1: and in this case, it was a cattle trail from
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  Speaker 1: that downtown pueblo of Los Angeles all the way to
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  Speaker 1: the Pacific. So it runs for twenty three miles. You
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  Speaker 1: hear about, you know, Sunset Boulevard, you probably think of
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  Speaker 1: the Sunset Strip, which is a less than two mile area.
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  Speaker 1: But Sunset Boulevard there, you know, I used to live
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  Speaker 1: on the east side and Silver Lake and Sunset Boulevard
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  Speaker 1: over there is great and a whole other way than
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  Speaker 1: the Sunset Strip.
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  Speaker 3: How so well, I mean it's.
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  Speaker 1: Just a cultural seed of you know, great restaurants and
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  Speaker 1: cafes and music venues, and you know, it was sort
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  Speaker 1: of the hipster thing back in the day when the
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  Speaker 1: hipsters were still a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Silverlake. That's there's that Shaggy Dog Mystery with Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Garfield beneath the Silver Lake. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that was pretty hipster. I think I saw that maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's worth watching, especially if you know it's a
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  Speaker 2: shaggy dog mystery going into it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but a long way of saying that, it was
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  Speaker 1: a cattle trail to begin with, and then like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things like that, would eventually become a real street.
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  Speaker 1: It became Sunset Boulevard about one hundred years after that,
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  Speaker 1: I believe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a couple of store origin stories for
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  Speaker 2: where the name came from. I couldn't see what they
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  Speaker 2: called it, like the westward side of Sunset Boulevard before
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  Speaker 2: it was Sunset Boulevard. But I think in eighteen eighty
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  Speaker 2: seven there was a developer. There was a lot of
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  Speaker 2: land development going on in the late nineteenth century that
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  Speaker 2: built up Los Angeles. It was a bunch of different
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  Speaker 2: little towns, communities that were independent, and then Los Angeles
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  Speaker 2: kept growing and growing and growing, and it would absorb
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  Speaker 2: them and they became neighborhoods instead. Well, there was one
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  Speaker 2: planned town called Sunset, and they planned for Sunset Boulevard,
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  Speaker 2: a different stretch of road to go right through the town,
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  Speaker 2: and so they apparently came up with the name Sunset Boulevard,
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  Speaker 2: but it was another developer who appropriated it and used
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  Speaker 2: it for the Sunset Boulevard. After that town of Sunset
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  Speaker 2: never actually happened. It died on the drafting tape.
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  Speaker 1: I guess is what you'd say, is that an industry
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  Speaker 1: jargon it is now? Yeah, And you know, surely you
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  Speaker 1: can see some some great sunsets because Sunset, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with sort of the Hollywood basin,
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  Speaker 1: there's a it's very grid like and there's a series
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  Speaker 1: of east west streets. Hollywood, Sunset, Santa Monica are some
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  Speaker 1: of the more famous ones. And it goes downhill, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from the mountains, the Hollywood Hills. You know, there's the
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  Speaker 1: literal mountains and hills, but then it's still up kind
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  Speaker 1: of high and La kind of goes down down, down
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  Speaker 1: into the basin and Sunset is pretty high on that side.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, you can see some great sunsets, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think originally it terminated on the east
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  Speaker 2: end in Chinatown or what's now Chinatown, And like you said,
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  Speaker 2: it goes through Silver Lake, it goes through a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of different neighborhoods, Echo Park, Pacific Palisades, Beverly Hills, Hollywood,
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  Speaker 2: West Hollywood, like all these great neighborhoods I think are
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  Speaker 2: in part great neighborhoods because it's chicken or the thing
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  Speaker 2: is Sunset Boulevard great because these these neighborhoods around it
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  Speaker 2: are great, Or are the neighborhoods great because Sunset Boulevard
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  Speaker 2: ran through them?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a chicken meat egg and they just
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  Speaker 1: shake hands and agree not to discuss it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's never speak of this again.
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  Speaker 1: Some film stuff and we're kind of jumping around between
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  Speaker 1: things that made it famous, but generally in a timeline.
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  Speaker 3: But early on it was obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood was the birthplace of the film industry. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've said it before. If you've never been there, you
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  Speaker 1: might think Hollywood is just a euphemism for the film industry.
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  Speaker 1: It is that, but it is also a real neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: right in the center of the La Basin there, And
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was originally just like all the other suburbs,
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  Speaker 1: like you were talking about, they were dividing it up
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  Speaker 1: into lots, and I believe in the early nineteen hundreds
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  Speaker 1: it was a guy named very nineteen hundreds name H. J.
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  Speaker 3: Whitby, who kind of I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know if he wasn't officially incorporated, but he made
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood like a proper town and a place to live.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Hollywood or West Hollywood wasn't incorporated until
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  Speaker 2: like the nineteen eighties, Is that right.
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  Speaker 3: I think that was probably West Hollywood. Okay, we hope
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  Speaker 3: as they.
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  Speaker 2: Say, yeah, everybody knows that thanks to the studio sixty
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, so Hollywood it was almost out of the
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  Speaker 2: gate versus the early nineteen hundreds nineteen ten when it
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  Speaker 2: merged with Los Angeles. The next year, film studio started
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  Speaker 2: popping up, and they started popping up in a very
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  Speaker 2: specific area, the corner of Sunset Boulevard and Gower Street.
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  Speaker 2: And even still today there's an original studio from that
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  Speaker 2: area called Sunset Gower Studios and they're still making shows.
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  Speaker 2: That's where Dexter was filmed, That's where Saved by the Bell,
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  Speaker 2: the College Years was filmed. That's that's where yet six
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  Speaker 2: feet under Dexter, the College years. Heroes, A lot of
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  Speaker 2: really good shows have shot there, and it's an old,
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  Speaker 2: old timey, original Hollywood studio from like the nineteen teens.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I never shot there, but I got to as a
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  Speaker 1: PA got to run an erran there once during while
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  Speaker 1: Six Feet Under was being shot, so I've got to
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  Speaker 1: see those sets and it was pretty pretty cool as
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  Speaker 1: a six Feet Under fan.
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  Speaker 2: What did you take something to Diddy? Is that what
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  Speaker 2: it was? No?
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  Speaker 3: No, No, that was to his actual house.
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd disavow that entire delivery, though. Poverty Rose what
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  Speaker 1: they called Sunset Gower at first because it was pretty
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  Speaker 1: low budget at the time the things they shot there,
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  Speaker 1: But in the nineteen thirties they started shooting some like
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  Speaker 1: really kind of high quality things there, notably the movies
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  Speaker 1: That Happened One Night and You Can't Take It with You.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Gower Gulch.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad I never knew the history, but there's still
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  Speaker 1: a strip mall right there called Gower Gulch and it
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  Speaker 1: has a little Old West theme.
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  Speaker 3: And that's where I saw Cherio Terry at a Starbucks.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and where there was a hopefully it's still
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  Speaker 1: a print shop there where you know, you could get
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  Speaker 1: scripts printed off and bound. Oh yeah, but now I
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  Speaker 1: know that Gower Gulch is so named because it was
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  Speaker 1: where all of the Westerns were being filmed, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of dudes and like cowboy hats and cowboy boots
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  Speaker 1: would kind of hang around waiting to be cast there
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  Speaker 1: at that I guess whatever the stores were at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Hollywood, especially this area where all the studios
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  Speaker 2: were churning out Westerns left and right through the twenties
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  Speaker 2: and thirties. So I mean, I'm sure there were other
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  Speaker 2: extras hanging around, but the ten gallon hat really makes
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  Speaker 2: you stand out. And if you put a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: them together, it's going to get a reputation for being
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  Speaker 2: a cowboy hangout. And they would hang out around the
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  Speaker 2: Columbia drug Store. Ye Is that still there?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I feel like there's a right Aid and
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  Speaker 1: that's probably what that was, But I may be wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, Gower Gulch lives on.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever go into that right Aid? And green Point? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: In Greenpoint in New York and Brooklyn. I think that
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  Speaker 2: has like a disco ball still from whatever it was before.
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  Speaker 3: Oh cool, No, definitely not.
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  Speaker 2: It is kind of cool. But anyway, this Columbia drug
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  Speaker 2: store they would have out there because the owners of
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  Speaker 2: Columbia Drugs are had a telephone and they would let
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  Speaker 2: the extras use it to call Central Casting to see
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  Speaker 2: if there were any parts available for them. And there
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  Speaker 2: was a high profile murder there too, right between a
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  Speaker 2: couple of cowboys.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 1: quite a you know, take ten steps and draw kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, but there was a shooter over I
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  Speaker 1: think they were both seeing the same Philly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently one of them, Blackjack Ward, killed Johnny Tyke.
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  Speaker 2: He shot him down once and then he told them
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  Speaker 2: each reason he was shooting him, and every time he did,
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  Speaker 2: he shot him again until his whole six shooter was empty.
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  Speaker 2: Like he murdered that guy in broad daylight in front
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  Speaker 2: of a bunch of people, and he still got off.
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  Speaker 1: And someone said, boy, cast that dude. That's incredible. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that should be out of a movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they should make a movie about him. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Prohibition was when the party scene kind of moved in.
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  Speaker 1: It was called the County Strip at the time, and
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  Speaker 1: it was unincorporated still at this point, but it was
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  Speaker 1: a stretch kind of between where Hollywood was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a dry place because of Prohibition, and Beverly Hills is
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  Speaker 1: kind of where the Sunset Strip ends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well but it keeps going to the Pacific, right that, like,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it basically just run out into the ocean. I
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  Speaker 2: guess the Pacific Highway.
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  Speaker 3: But that's not the Sunset Strip, the strip strip.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry about that, but yeah, I guess
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  Speaker 2: from the outset. The Sunset Strip was like mobsters, brothels, gambling, rackets, nightclubs.
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  Speaker 2: It was huge during Prohibition, and I guess the reason
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  Speaker 2: why is because it was unincorporated, so the La County
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  Speaker 2: Sheriff was in charge of overseeing or enforcing laws, and
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  Speaker 2: I guess they weren't particularly inclined to enforce laws in
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  Speaker 2: the area. So that's where you went. And that in
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  Speaker 2: and of itself is like worth mentioning. It's historic. But
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  Speaker 2: one of the reasons it's so famous or the strip
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  Speaker 2: became the strip, is because on the other side, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, there's Beverly Hills, and that's where the stars
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  Speaker 2: had moved around the same time, So they would come
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  Speaker 2: into the County Strip and party and then go back
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  Speaker 2: to Beverly Hills and the fact that there were all
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  Speaker 2: these world famous movie stars partying there. Yeah, kind of
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  Speaker 2: really put a stamp on Sunset Strip that stayed forever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was eighty four to seventy seven. Sunset had
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  Speaker 1: four different mobster clubs basically where the you know, mob
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  Speaker 1: owned and back them. It was at first the Sphinx,
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  Speaker 1: then the Han Club, then Club what would that be
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  Speaker 1: so Soco Luff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so SoC Socoloff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay, l O E F F. And then
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  Speaker 1: the Clover Club. And if you're wondering what eighty four
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  Speaker 1: to seventy seven is now, it's a weed dispensary.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's appropriate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of feels right, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'll bet it was a weed dispensary back
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  Speaker 2: in the thirties too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably so.
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  Speaker 2: But I'll bet it was some crap weed. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: let yeah, no crap like the kids say today.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I think it's no cap it'sn't it.
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  Speaker 2: I think they just don't know what they're saying. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So I mentioned Brothels that apparently was a huge foundation
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  Speaker 2: of Hollywood. So there's Hollywood that people think about as Hollywood,
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  Speaker 2: and then there was like real Hollywood that the actual
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  Speaker 2: stars how they actually lived their lives, and it was
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  Speaker 2: depraved and decadent, as you can imagine during the Golden Era.
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  Speaker 2: It might have been the most appraved and decadent during
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  Speaker 2: the Golden Era, depending on what your moral views are,
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  Speaker 2: and people just went buck wild, and the brothels were
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  Speaker 2: a huge part of that. They were everywhere along Sunset Boulevard.
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  Speaker 2: They were in private homes, they were in apartment buildings,
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  Speaker 2: they were sometimes in commercial spaces, and they even had
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  Speaker 2: some that imitated or there were lookalikes of stars of
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  Speaker 2: the day too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one of the plotlines of La Confidential
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  Speaker 1: if you remember, Oh yeah, it was a brothel where
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  Speaker 1: and except in that movie they were I think the
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  Speaker 1: line was like they're cut to look like celebrities, So
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  Speaker 1: I think they had actual like plast surgery, oh got
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  Speaker 1: youa yeah, to look like Hollywood stars. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: the rumors were that the studios were kind of funding
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  Speaker 1: these to take investors, like foreign investors there and they
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  Speaker 1: could sleep with a sex worker that looks like Vivian Lee.
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  Speaker 2: That seems to be a really well founded rumor, Like
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that there's any actual documentation of it,
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  Speaker 2: but it seems to be pretty much accepted as fact
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  Speaker 2: from what I saw.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe it so.
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  Speaker 2: And actually, because this is Hollywood and celebrity, I guess
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  Speaker 2: celebrity worship is just part of it and always has been.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever some of the Madams would get busted, they would
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  Speaker 2: become internationally famous as well. There were two that stick out.
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  Speaker 2: One name was Lee Francis. I think she might have
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  Speaker 2: originally worked under the other very famous one, the Black
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  Speaker 2: Widow and Forrester, And by this time the Hollywood movie
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  Speaker 2: studios were so powerful that both Leif Francis and Forrester
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  Speaker 2: were busted with client information. One of them had essentially
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  Speaker 2: like an index card system, the other one at a
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  Speaker 2: black book, and both of those things disappeared before they
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  Speaker 2: could ever make it into the evidence locker. And no
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  Speaker 2: one was arrested in any of the cases, even the
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: guys who were caught in the act, because they just
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  Speaker 2: you just kept people's names out of the paper. It
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  Speaker 2: just didn't happen in Hollywood. And I think that level
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  Speaker 2: of protection by the studios just fueled the lifestyle that
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  Speaker 2: the stars were living because they couldn't get in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: They could not there were no consequences for what they
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  Speaker 2: were doing, so people just did anything and everything there
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  Speaker 2: during that golden age, I guess of the twenties and
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  Speaker 2: thirties and forties.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, because of that, it was sort of
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  Speaker 1: a you know, as Dave called it, kind of a
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  Speaker 1: blessing in disguise for the LGTBQ community. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's West Hollywood or we HO again is sort of
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  Speaker 1: the heart of the LGTB community in central Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: But way before that it was it was where a
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  Speaker 1: lot of gay bars were, gay clubs, drag clubs.
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  Speaker 3: I think the first drag shows.
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  Speaker 1: In the city and probably some of the first in
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  Speaker 1: the United States, were to Speakeasy in nineteen twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: called Cafe Loabom. But there were also, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of clubs there. It was a very famous one
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  Speaker 1: called the Trocadero that opened in nineteen thirty four where
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  Speaker 1: Cafe Lobohm was, and it was opened by a guy
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  Speaker 1: named Billy Wilkerson who was a publisher of The Hollywood Reporter,
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  Speaker 1: which I guess used to be news and like gossip
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. Now it's like a you know, fully sort
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  Speaker 1: of stand up, legitimate industry rag.
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  Speaker 2: I know they write about us pretty much constant.
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  Speaker 3: I think we were in it once.
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  Speaker 2: Actually we were selected some honor of like I think
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  Speaker 2: powerful podcasters or something crazy like that.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we made that list of time or two and
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: we were in Variety once too. A couple of you know,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: feathers in our caps.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so nice. I'd love to joke those feathers sometimes.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Well, it's easy to forget when they don't come calling,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: you know, it's true. But he owned Billy Wilkerson owned
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the Trocadero, and it was another one of those things
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: where he was like, hey, you come by the Trocadero
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and we're going to make sure that you get in
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the gossip column, you know, because at the time, you know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: that was kind of good press.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. At the same time, the Trocadero was set up
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: to cater to stars and celebrities because autograph hounds and
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: people who looked a little too hungry or thirsty to
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: get in there were shut out of that to protect
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: people inside, the celebrities inside, so they could relax and
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: not have to worry about I guess being asked for
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: their autograph, the worst thing that can possibly happen to you.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: And then the final one we'll mention here before the
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: break is a nightclub called Ciro's. It opened in nineteen
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: forty and I believe it was also Wilkerson who owned
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: that one, and it was notable.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: It was just a very.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Famous and popular nightclub, and it was it made its
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: name because Buggy Seagull would go there a lot, the
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: infamous mobster, and when he was in jail on murder trial,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: he got food from Ciro's delivered right there to a
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: cell because you could do that at the time.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Yep, takeout food, can you believe it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: So we'll take a break now, Yeah, yeah, think a
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: right good idea great, and we'll come back and talk
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: about the legendary Chateau Marmont right after this.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: All right, we're back.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: We promised talk of the Chateau Marmont. That is a
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: very famous hotel built in nineteen twenty nine. It's the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: one that sits right in the hills and kind of
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: looks like a castle, a very European inspired luxury hotel,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and its motto is still if you go to their
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: website says always a safe, even always open, and from
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the start it was kind of like what you've been describing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: It was a place where you could go and party
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: hardy and ensure that your name wouldn't be in the
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: news because of it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they had and I believe still have a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: strict policy among their staff, like you do not talk
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: about what you see at the hotel. And the reason
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: why is they figured out very early on that if
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: you can provide like that level of discretion or privacy,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: you're going to be you're in good Like the word
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: of mouth alone is going to keep you in business
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: for decades, and clearly that worked out for more than
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: a century, almost a century. And then conversely, if the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: staff started gossiping or talking about what they saw or
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: started selling their stories to papers or tabloids like the
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Chateau Marmont would have gone out of business in six
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: months essentially. So they I don't know how they managed
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to do it to keep people from you know, rumor
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: mongering or anything like that, but they seem to have
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: quite successfully over the years.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was delighted to see today. And for
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a while kind of during the early COVID years, I
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: remember it was closed down and it was supposedly going
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to reopen as a sort of like a member's only
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: you could buy places or maybe live in them long
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: term or something. I can't remember what the plan was,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and it bummed me out because I'd never had a
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: chance to stay there. But I went today and apparently
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: it's a hotel again, and I don't know if those
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: plans are completely off or what or what happened, but
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: looks like you can stay there. I have never stayed there,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: but I have mentioned before I have partied in the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: John Belushi Bungalow like six or seven times, and it's.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Just a pretty awesome special place. The restaurant there, in
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: the bar, you just sort of feel.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: It's not like I go there to, you know, get
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: away with doing bad stuff, but it feels insulated when
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you're in there, like this little weird haven.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like I said, apparently it's still very
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: much like that, and it's very tight lipped. Yeah. Yeah,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: it's just I mean, that's just such an iconic place
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: that almost to me stands apart from Sunset Boulevard. It's
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: about as iconic as Sunset Boulevard itself in my opinion.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, And it was right there at sort of
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: that junction where that very famously had the big Marboro
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Man poster ad for oh yeah, forever that thing was up.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: There was one other thing. Dave helped us with us,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and he turned up a quote from the guy who
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: used to run Columbia Pictures, they think in the thirties.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: The name was Harry Cone, and he used to tell
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: his actors, if you must get in trouble, do it
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: at the Chateau Marmont, Yeah, because nobody's going to find
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: out about it. Like that hotel could even keep people's
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: names out of the paper. When someone died in their hotel,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: the death would get reported, but the papers would not
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: report the person's name. In a lot of cases, it's
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: got to be NDAs, I guess. But I mean, this
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: is long before there were NDA's, you know.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know when those came along.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, certainly they weren't around in the nineteen thirties.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't think. I think just the studio has would
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: send goose.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Break your yeah. Yeah.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Down the street from the Chateau was another very famous
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: well eventually hotel was called the Garden of Allah, and you.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Should look this place up. If you're, you know, someplace
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: where you're not driving, and look at pictures of it.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: It was pretty wondrous. I think it was a few
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: acres name.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: For its original owner, it was a silent film star
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: named Ala Nazimova, and Alah had a lot of money
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and bought a mansion there in nineteen eighteen. And then
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: when things it was sort of like, hey, come and party.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It was sort of like the New York salons at
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the time, like the elite would party there. And I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: think Nazamova was coined the phrase sewing circles as code
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: for lesbian and bisexual actresses at the time.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw her described as the sapphik Mother of Hollywood,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: like she is a LGBTQ icon from still today, but
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: from this era. And she was really famous and made
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of money. Apparently at one point she was
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: making thirteen thousand dollars a week, which is two hundred
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: and seventy six thousand dollars a week today, And so
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: according to the moral codes of the time, this was
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: decadent and depraved, but it was a safe place for
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the stars who were closeted lesbians or closeted bisexual to
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: like come and like have affairs or make relationships or whatever.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: It was just a really safe space, and Nazimova was
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the reason why. Like she managed to keep a lid
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: on that as well while still like everybody went and
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: had fun.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And you know, it went from a private
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: house where she hosted these salons to after the silent
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: film era, she didn't make the transition to the talkies
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: so well and so it was a little down on
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: her luck financially, and remodeled it as a hotel in
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven and it became sort of the same
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: version of the same thing, but as a hotel.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. And I think as a hotel it
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: might have been less of a safe space, but probably
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: still carried it on some like from what I understand.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: When it was their house, like it was lesbian central essentially,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and then once it became a hotel it was much
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: more open to I think everybody.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. It's now a strip mall. It was
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: demolished fully unfortunately, but you can go look at great
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: pictures of it. It was across from the very famous
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Schwabz Pharmacy, which was a lot of things there was
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I think from the movie nineteen fifty one Sunset Boulevard,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the great Billy Wilder movie.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: This is such a good movie.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: No, it's unbelievable.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: William Holden, as a washed up screenwriter, says, after that,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I drove down to headquarters. That's the way a lot
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of us think about schwabs, kind of a combination office
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: coffee clatch and waiting room, waiting waiting for the gravy train.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what it was.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: It was this weird combo where you could go see
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and be seen and also sit around and wait for
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the phone.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: During Yeah, they had this lunch counter that apparently was
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: pretty good because a lot of stars went there. But
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: they didn't discriminate. It wasn't like you could be an
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: aspiring actor who's getting nowhere and you're sitting there almost
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: literally rubbing elbows at this lunch counter with Marlon Brando
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: or something like that. Like, it was just people coming
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: together from all walks of life. And I thought that
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: was pretty cool. But it made it legendary. I mean
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: just basically anywhere that stars went on Sunset Boulevard automatically
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: became legendary. And now they're all right, aides or Chase.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Banks and Schwab's Pharmacy is where the famous story about
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Lana Turner being discovered there while skipping school four name
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: was Lana Turner. But I think I feel like we
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: talked about this that that wasn't true.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out, I mean, she was discovered typing
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: class at Hollywood High School. But she was discovered at
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the Top Hat malt shop, not at Schwab's, right, And
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I guess Schwabs just filled in for top Hat because
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: it was much more famous. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, probably,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: But that same Billy Wilkerson who founded Ceros and the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Hollywood Reporter, he's apparently the one who discovered her.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: It's all true, except for the Schwaps part.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: As we move into the sixties is when the Sunset Strip,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you know, particularly became part of the kind of the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: seated counterculture of Los Angeles. In the nineteen fifties, a
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: lot of money went to Vegas when Vegas was first
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: opening up. Yeah, and so rents fell lower on the strip.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So like some grittier nightclubs moved in. And I think
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you found two where Vegas. If you played in Vegas,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you needed to at least like have a reputation in La.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: So that's why a lot of bands played there.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, no, the mob had enough money that they
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: could pay you just such a fat contract. That part
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: of the contract was you can't go play La because
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: we want people to come to Vas, right, So all
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: of the entertainers and performers left the Sunset Strip and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: went to Vegas. So the club started having trouble, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: then they started bringing in black acts. Motown r and
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: b Otis Redding very famously played at I can't remember
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: what club with Bob Dylan watching him just agog and sadly,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the sudden appearance of black performers on the Sunset Strip
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: actually depressed real estate values even further, and so as
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: rock and roll kind of came along, young entrepreneurs who
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: wanted to open rock clubs were able to afford these
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: spaces along the Sunset Strip, And that's how it went
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: from glamorous Frank Sinatra to grungy rock clubs. There was
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: a transition, a swing from the R and B artists
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of the time playing the Sunset Strip for a little
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: while in between those things.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, that makes sense. So then it became more
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: rock and roll because that's when the Whiskey of Go
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Go opened in sixty four. Then you have still not
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: been to. They just don't have a lot of stuff
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that I'm into anymore. It's a lot of still a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: lot of like metal and like metal tribute bands and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I'm going to make it a
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: point just to go at some point, just so i
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: can be in that room. But that became sort of
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the epicenter of the counterculture and youth culture and Whiskey
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: a Go Go. If you've heard of Go Go dancing,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: it comes from the Whiskey of Go Go, Like literally.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a DJ at the Whiskey name Joni Leabine,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and the DJ booth was in a glass case. I'm
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: not sure if it's still there or not, but it
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: was several tens of feet off of the dance floor
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: just over it. And when she was spinning records, she
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: would just kind of dance, and she had a certain
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: way of dancing, and she would wear very short skirts
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and long white boots and the like. She started the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: go go dancing trend of the sixties single handedly. Essentially
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: everybody started kind of mimicking her, and it was all
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: at the Whiskey Go Go.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you heard the rock band the Doors, the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: rock band without a bass player featuring Jim Morrison and others,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Raymond Zeric.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I remember how excited I was in eighth grade when
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: that movie came out.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Oh I was in college. Yeah, I was too.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That's cool that you were psyched at that age because
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it felt like colleges when everyone got into the Doors
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and that was definitely me
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and the Whiskey certainly featured heavily because they were the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: house band for basically a summer in nineteen sixty six,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and you know, every one of the day played there.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It's not a very big venue either. I don't know
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: what the capacity is, but it feels like just by
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: looking at it, it's probably under a thousand.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would definitely say that. I mean imagine
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: seeing Led Zeppelin or Jimmy Hendrix like in a small
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: room like that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I can't imagine seeing the period much
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: less in a small room.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: And then one other thing about the Whiskey Yo Go,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably the greatest club name of all time.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: And I looked up why or where Gogo came from
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and apparently go for a little while was slang for fashionable,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: and it just kind of morphed into go go kind
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of fashionable or cool, right, doubly fashionable, So the whiskey
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: of go go was very fashionable.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I guess a rare in show. Look up, it's a
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: capacity of five hundred. So yeah, that's amazing.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's like a stuff you should know show
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: in our hometown of Atlanta.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: In the mid sixties is when cruising the strips became
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: like a real thing with you know, basically people just
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: would get in their cars, get in their convertibles, get
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: on their motorcycles, and just drive.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Up and down the Sunset Strip.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: If you've ever seen the movie American Graffiti, even though
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that drive in was filmed on van Ness, because Mel's
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Drive In is a small chain, I think it was
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: supposed to be the one on the Sunset Strip if
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Definitely, that whole La youth culture and car culture
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that produced the Beach Boys and all that, that's when
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: it was set right and I think it actually Happy
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Days was essentially spun off of American Graffiti. What's his name,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Richard Cunningham.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Richie Cunningham, Ron Howard Baby.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, he was an American Graffiti, essentially playing Richie Cunningham. Yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: right before Happy Days started.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: So I have ever thought about that?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one little thing about that. I was looking up
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Mels Drive in an American Graffiti and I ran across
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: there was a list of suggested names from the studio
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: instead of American Graffiti. And it's even on like Lucasfilm
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Station Area or something like that. One of them was
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Burger City. They considered naming that movie Burger City.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Wow, we should write a script called Burger City. We
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: can get it developed.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that'd be great.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Or good burger That'd be an equally weird name.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Isn't that Keenan and Kel?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just kidding.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that movie?
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I never saw it was Was it a movie or
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: a show?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It was a movie. It was like the Keenan and
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Kell movie.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, he's the best. Well I don't know
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: much about Kell, but Keenan's awesome.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I love that guy.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Sixty six was when a club called Pandora's Box. Famously,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: it became the sort of heart of what was known
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: as the riote on Sunset Strip. The La Sheriff's Department
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: headed first to ten o'clock curfew for teenagers, basically anyone
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: under eighteen, and on November twelfth of sixty six is
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: when thousands of young teenage hippies protested. They sat down
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: in the street in front of Pandora's Box, block traffic
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and it ended pretty violently. Cops came in and Stephen
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Stills wrote the famous protest song for what It's Worth
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: because he witnessed that event.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just came in with police batons of flying
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: cracking heads. It's like LAPD. Will you ever change?
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe? Maybe not.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: The signs are not pointing to a definite yes at
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: this point yet.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: And if you're thinking I don't know the song for
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: what It's Worth, it's the song you better stop. Hey,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: what's that sound?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Everybody?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Look what's going down? You just probably don't remember it
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: as having the name for what It's Worth.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: No, because it's one of those those songs that just
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the title just doesn't fit the other part, I think.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: But Buffalo Springfield, Yeah, it's a good song.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Stephen Sills, did you know that? Thanks? Dave?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Oh did he not put the t in there.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: No, Stephen Sills, I loved.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: It, Crosby Sills, nas and Yown.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean we love Dave here, we love him.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: So we should talk a little bit about the black
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Cat Tavern because black Cat Tavern was a home of
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: one of the first major LGBTQ protestly in the United States,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: certainly a couple of years before Stonewall, even.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, two years before Stonewall, you said, right, yeah, And
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I think on New Year's Eve, the cops came in
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the lapd again or the Sheriff's office, I'm not sure
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: which one. They started cracking heads. They started just beating
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: up the gay patrons there for being gay. They accused
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: them of lewd conduct or whatever. I think you turned
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: up that two men were caught kissing and that's essentially
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: what started the beatings. Is that correct?
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I mean they ended up arresting fourteen people, but those
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: two men ended up getting convicted and had to register
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: as sex offenders for kissing each other.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: The Supreme Court of the United.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: States refused to hear their appeal, and so they took
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: away their liquor license. In May I believe was sixty seven,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: shortly after the protest on February eleventh because of the
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: raid on New Year's Eve and.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: They had to shut down.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I think it reopened as several other gay bars over
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the years until twenty eleven. When it reopened in twenty
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: twelve eight as the Black Cat. It was a restaurant.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: This time they paid honor to its roots a by
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: naming it that and having kind of the same logo,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: but just the historical significance is on display there with
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: photographs and a plaque.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And this is in the Silver Lake side. This is
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: not on the strip.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: And in twenty twenty two it was duplex and a
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: very small sort of two sided building Shake Shack opened
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: up on the other side in the adjac space and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: apparently dominated with their signage, and everyone got really really
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: mad at that, and it didn't last long.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Shakeshack there is now closed.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: You know. One of the most interesting things I've ever
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: seen is a story about Shakesheck, the original one in
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: whatever park it's in in New York. Okay, you mean,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and I were there. We were in line, very long line,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: and the line goes through the park, so there's a
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: lot of trees overhead. Oh yeah, I know that this guy.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what park it is. I guess it
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But this guy, who was either one or
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: two behind us in line, suddenly was surrounded by bird poop.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: It just formed like a halo around his body, and
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: everyone turned around looking for the poop that had surely
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: gotten on the guy, and he had nothing on him. Somehow,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the poop had all magically fallen within inches of his body,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: all around him without actually getting on him, and everyone
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: in the line who knew what happened was just like
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: that is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: That guy was so happy he was not a lottery ticket. Yeah, exactly,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: that's amazing. Check story.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I think I've ever heard that. I don't know that
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: was the first one either.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the first one. It was just
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: in the park.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's over it's like it's near Union Square. I
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: don't know what the park is either though.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: And then one other thing about the Black Cat Tavern. It's,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously like people are like this happened, you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: before the stonewall rate, it might have even happened before
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the Compton's Cafeteria riot. And the fact that it's compared
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: to Stonewall. It makes you think that there was a
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: riot involved. It wasn't. It was a dignified, organized protest.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: But it's the first recorded LGBTQ protest in American history.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: That's what that's its big claim to fame.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Amazing. I feel like that's a great time for a
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: break totally. And we'll segue into the seventies right after this.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, So the seventies, which we just say waded into
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: this was where the rock clubs like kind of transitioned
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: from hippie rock to all sorts of different stuff proto punk,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: glam rock, eventually hair metal as we'll see. And there
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: were three big clubs rock clubs that were around at
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the time. There was the Roxy Theater, Rodney's English Disco,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and Ghazaries. Those were the three that were like the
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: three big rock clubs in the seventies that kind of
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: kicked off that transition from what I understand.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Ghazari's is best known for Van Halen. Baby.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Van Halen was known for two things in their early
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: days before they put a record out.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: It was backyard parties in Pasadena where they lived, and
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: being the house band at Kazari's for like years.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Did you know that Van Halen was from California?
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I always thought they were a Dutch band.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: No, I mean Eddie and Alex were Dutch by heritage,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and I think they were even born there.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe David lee Roth is in Dutch. No, have you
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: ever heard him talk?
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Sure, I'm a distributor about the map right as touch?
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I think you're right. I mean, I'm a big van
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Halen guy.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So I've studied and read all the books, but there's
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: one in particular.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Oh god, is it called Becoming van Halen.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: It's the most intense, Like, I don't know how this
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: guy got this information, but it's the most intense detailing
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: of pre record contract.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Van Halen that I've ever heard of in my life.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: It was incredible how much this guy knew about their
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Pasadena backyard party days.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Well, since you know so much about van Halen, answer
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: this for me. It's a question I actually carry around
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: with me. What was the deal with Eddie van Halen
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: slamming Michael Anthony is a bad bass player? Like I
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: think about upon Michael Anthony's death.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, you mean Eddie van Halen's death Michael Anthony?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, for some reason, Eddie Van Halen came out
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: and said that he thought Michael Anthony was a terrible
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: bass player.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, Eddie, you know he's one of the greatest and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: rip for sure, but he could be unkind at times.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Two people. I think Michael Anthony's one of the.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Greatest, and he had the voice that kind of helped
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: him make Van Halen with those backing vocals. And he's
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: still crushing it. Because I went and saw Sammy Hagar
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and Michael Anthony and Vegas played not too long ago
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: for the second time in a year.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Were you the guest of our good friend Aaron Hagar who.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Listens, No, I wasn't a guest this time. Aaron.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I was hoping he could meet there and I could
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: finally have a chance to meet his pops. But Aaron
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: showed up the week after I was there. But Adam Pranica,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: friend of the show of the Greatest Generation podcast, met
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: me from LA and we played little golf and saw
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Sammy and just had a great time. It's a really
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: good show. Those guys are still killing it. Michael Anthony
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: is besides his talents, is known as one of the
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: nicest guys in rock and roll nice, which really stinks
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: if Eddie said that, because Michael Anthony has always taken
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the high road.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Oh he did say it. It was a big deal,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And Sammy Hagar came out and said, I don't know
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: what Eddie's talking about. Yeah, basically being any to get
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Michael Anthony's the best bass player I ever worked with,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: So he's whooped in.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: All that band stuff. Just makes me sad fighting like that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to circle back to Adam Pranica. Okay,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: for people who aren't familiar with him, I would say,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: go listen to the Greatest Generation podcasts, but if you
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: ever get a chance to meet Adam Pranica, you should
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: consider yourself hashtag blessed because he is one of the
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: greatest human beings you will ever meet in your life, like, legitimately,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: through and through. Just a great dude.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, He's the Michael Anthony A podcast. He definitely is,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: along with his co host Ben Harrison.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: No, Ben's great too, He's no Adam Pranica, though.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Ben's gonna like that burn The Roxy opened in seventy three.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: David Geffen, very famous sort of record label owner and
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: early on music producer and Lou Adler, legendary producer, opened
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the Roxy, and it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Was legendary for a lot of reasons.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest of the big play there in
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: this again a small club, but the very first staging
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: in the.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: US of the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is when it was just a stage musical
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: played at the Roxy.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and pee Wee Herman debuted his show what became
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: the pe Wee Herman TV Show, his live stage version
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: of it that came out first in nineteen eighty one
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: at the Roxy. Have you seen that documentary yet?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I still haven't seen it because he's got on vacation,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: but it's on the list.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: And then Rodney's English Disco. I don't know why. Those
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: three words together are hard for me to pronounce, but
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: that was Rodney Bingenheimer's club that opened in nineteen seventy two.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: So think about how ahead of the curve he was
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: by naming it a disco. There was no disco around yet.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: He was a legendary DJ at k Rock in LA
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: from seventy six to twenty seventeen.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he took it's Kroq.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: And was very famous for breaking, Like the list of
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: bands that he broke on air is incredible, Like, just look.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: It over sometime.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I don't have time to go over all of it
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: here because we're running long, but it's it's just really impressive.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: And he was a There was a great documentary about
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: him called The Mayor of Sunset Strip. He is a
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: star in Hollywood Boulevard and it's just like, wow, what
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: a guy. And then, very disappointingly, a couple of years ago,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Carrie Chrome of The Runaways filed a lawsuit and said
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: he sexually assaulted me when I was thirteen years old.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Man, those poor Runaways they got, I know, just totally
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: exploited and just us it up sad, just.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Young teenage girls. And Kim Falley, their manager, seems like
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: a horrible human. Yeah, took part in that assault. And
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: then five more women came forward after that, including Jane
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Wheedland of the Go Gos, and said, yeah, Rodney really
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: assaulted me too. And there hasn't been a result of
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that lawsuit yet, but it turns out not a good guy.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Well good for them for standing up to that. Dude.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: We couldn't mention the Sunset Strip without mentioning, especially during
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the era of the seventies, the Continental Hyatt House, which.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Has stayed there.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: By the way I have I'm almost positive that we
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: both stayed as now the and does in one of
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: our LA Podcast Festival appearances, I.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Do not recall that I remember seeing at the SLS.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're talking about?
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: No, this is and Oz. I mean I definitely stay there.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I thought you did. But it was the Continental riot House. Yes,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: the Hyatt House.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Officially, if you've ever read the led Zeppelin book and
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: there's that picture of Robert Plant standing on the balcony
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: saying I'm a golden God, that that was the Riot House.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Continental. Just as a little aside, that's
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: from the original name of the hotel, the Continental, which
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: was owned by Gene Autry.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Oh well know that.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a weird transition, right.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally all right.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: As the tour goes forward, we're gonna take a little
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: stop here at the Rainbow Bar and Grill on Sunset
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: opened in seventy two, and it was the people who
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: on the whiskey of Go Go that opened the Rainbow,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: and the Rainbow was just a din of debauchery disguised
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: as a not too great Italian restaurant, but that was
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: where the Hollywood vampires hung out the kind of silly
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: looking at it now drinking club founded by Alice Cooper
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: as members of which were Keith Moon, Ringo star Mickey
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Dolans and the Debauchers and Great Harry Nilsen.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're now kind of a band with Alice
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Cooper and Aerosmith.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Guitarist Oh jove, Oh geez.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: What's his same? Steven Tyler and the other guy. I'm
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: just blanking.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway, Johnny Depp is in it. There's like a
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: couple other people too. I think one of the dudes
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: from Guns and Roses might be in it too.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe. I don't know if they're any good? Are they?
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they're more a novelty act maybe.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's got Johnny Depp in it.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Right, right, I think that kind of makes it a
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: novelty act as far as musical acts are concerned. Joe Perry,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Joe Perry, I kept won't say.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Joe Elliott, but that's a def Leppard.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, that's the lead singer.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: One other thing about the Rainbow Bar and Grill. That's
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: where John beluci Ate his last meal, Yeah, in nineteen
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: eighty two before he died of a drug overdose at
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: the Chateau Marmont. And had he gotten the speedball from Schwabs,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: it would have been a Sunset Boulevard trifecta.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I guess you're right, and then.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I guess Moving on, Chuck, we can't talk about Sunset
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Boulevard without talking about comedy clubs because it was essentially
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the place where the whole concept of a comedy club
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: was born.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks to poly Shor's mom, Mitzi Shore.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Is is it his mom? Because I looked it up
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't find that was it his mom? Really?
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's funny because he like he was like
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: a kid roaming around those parts.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: She. Mitzy Shore opened the Comedy Store in seventy two
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: where Zeiros used to be and it was, like you said,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: it was the very first stand up only nightclub in
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the world, which is crazy to think about.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: For sure, and so Mitzi Shore became very famous for
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: considering the Comedy Store as a comedy workshop where up
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: and comers could work on their material work on their acts,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: and because it was a comedy workshop and not a
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: comedy club, she didn't pay them, especially the up and comers.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: There are very few big name acts that would come
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: through and she would pay them. But if you were
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: working on your stuff, and we're talking like legendary people here,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: we're talking like Jim Carrey, Howie Mendel, Gary Shandling, Andy Kaufman,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Robin Williams, Michael Keaton for some reason, apparently was a
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: stand up. Oh yeah, yeah, I did not know that. Yeah,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: he's just so serious now, you know.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean he started in comedy movies. You
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: can get his early stand up. It's kind of fun.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I know his comedy movies I've seen.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: No, I mean the stand on you can watch.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Oh gotcha. So, like, these were people who all had
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: their careers launched thanks to the Comedy Store, but they
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: were paid an exposure, and eventually they were like, this
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: is not worth it. We're going on strike.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they went on striking seventy nine, which opened a
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: door for another club, The world famous Laugh Factory, opened
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: in seventy nine, just a few blocks away by a
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: sixteen year old, which is amazing Iranian immigrant also amazing
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: named Jamie Masada, and he ended up opening laugh factories
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: all over the country.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was like, how about this, you guys
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: come play here and I'll share some of the cover
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: charge with you, like I'll actually pay you. And apparently
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: the original name of the laugh factory was joke on
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Yolk like egg yoke really, yeah.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Joke on Yolk. I don't get it. Was there a
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Yolk Street?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I think he thought that was funny. Oh, okay, Ryan,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: so it's funny.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess he was a better business owner than comedian, right, yeah.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Well he was an aspiring comedian. That's why he opened
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: that club.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, joke on Yolk, get it right.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: So one other thing circling back, Mitzi Shore finally resolved
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: to strike after a few weeks by agreeing to pay
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: the comedians twenty five dollars a set, which is ay
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: whopping one hundred and ten dollars today.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: That's not too bad if you're getting up there, I'm
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: doing seven minutes.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: They don't know you can buy like a pack of
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: cigarettes with one hundred and ten dollars today.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna move into the eighties, and you
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: got to talk about the eighties because you got to
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: talk about hair metal, and if you're going to talk
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: about hair metal in the Sunset Strip, you got to
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: start with Motley Crue.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess they were the ones who like started
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: the whole thing on the Sunset Strip. I'm sure you
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: knew that because you probably read ten books about Motley Crue.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: No just two, Okay, Yeah, I mean they lived right
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: above it.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: They could walk down there and you know, have big
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: parties at their a disgusting place that they shared above
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: the Sunset Strip. But yeah, they were, if not the first,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: one of the first to kind of bring that scene there.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: And you know, Poison La, Guns Faster, pussy Cat, eventually
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Guns n' Roses would start out there in the mid eighties.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Whiskey kind of had a bunch of different lies, from
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: hippie stuff to sort of what we would view as
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: classic rock to eventually hair metal and now I guess
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: hair metal cover bands.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Right and in between then and now grunge came along
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: and killed hair metal, which was a sad day. I
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: think you.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Can still go see those bands. They're around.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: You can see the tribute versions of them and other ones.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to see Judas Priest.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen them, and I got tickets on a
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  Speaker 3: whim to go see them this fall.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of Judas Priest, I just have one more place
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  Speaker 2: I want to mention, But Judas Priest has one of
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  Speaker 2: the cooler documentaries around. It's called Parking Lot or something
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 3: Have you metal Parking Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's not just about Judas Priest, It's just
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  Speaker 1: about Pienelope Sphrus directed that kind of legendary documentary.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, well, I guess I'm the only one who
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  Speaker 2: saw it, but I love that documentary. It just takes
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  Speaker 2: place at that Parking Lot before Judas Priest show.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think I even remembered it was Judas Priest.
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  Speaker 2: I'm almost positive it is Judas Priest.
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  Speaker 1: It probably is, but yeah, it should really encapsulates that culture.
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  Speaker 2: That totally does.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: The last place I wanted to mention was the Beverly
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  Speaker 2: Hills Hotel. Apparently it was around before there was even
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  Speaker 2: a Beverly Hills. Yeah, and old Hollywood used to hang
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  Speaker 2: out there. Blah blah blah. The thing that makes it
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: noteworthy to me is, you know, that iconic banana leaf
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: wallpaper that you kind of see. It's like, well, that's
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: where it debuted or that's where it became big. That
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: pattern is called Martinique, and I think it was in
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: the mid late forties that this decorator papered the Beverly
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  Speaker 2: Hills Hotel with that and it just took off from there.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been there, but that's one of those places
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  Speaker 1: I want to go, like have dinner just to it
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: looks kind of like tavern on the Green Stock.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it looks amazing. Actually, their bar looks amazing too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's still got that kind of mid century charm,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: isn't it La style?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I guess that's it for Sunset Boulevard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there are so many things we couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: to because we didn't want to do a two parter.
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  Speaker 1: But if you want to look up stuff on Hollywood
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: High School and the Weird Crossroads of the World Shopping
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  Speaker 1: Center or the Hollywood Palladium, certainly do that because there's
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: still a lot more about the Sunset Strip and it's
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: you know, you go to LA and you're into touristy stuff,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: you should go check it out.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And there's a lot of good writing
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: out there. People love writing about the Sunset Strip for sure. Yeah,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: and thanks again to Dave for helping us out with
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: this one. Good job Dave. And since I said good
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: job Dave, that means it's time for listener mail.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: And this one actually is a listener suggestion. So we
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  Speaker 1: wanted to shout out say or Delk for Sunset Boulevard.
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  Speaker 2: Man, that's a great name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, not for making their road, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: for giving this suggestion. Hey, guys, long term listener who
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  Speaker 1: wants to thank you for keeping me entertainer and work, school,
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  Speaker 1: travel and pretty much any excuse to have a podcast
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  Speaker 1: on for the past few years. The reason I write
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: is in twenty twenty two you talked about rock paper scissors.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't think it was possible to play with more
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  Speaker 1: than two people. You may be interested to know that
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: my friends and I used to play three to four
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  Speaker 1: person games at work as landscapers. In the mornings, we
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  Speaker 1: were weed eating on the property and we'd come across
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  Speaker 1: items that only require the work of one person and
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  Speaker 1: we would play rock paper scissors, and this is how
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  Speaker 1: you do it. We would simply all throw at once,
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  Speaker 1: like a normal game and a three person game. If
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  Speaker 1: anyone beat all the other players, then they would step
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  Speaker 1: out and the other two would play again. So it's
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  Speaker 1: sort of like a knockout tournament. If two players beat
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  Speaker 1: the others on the first game, then the loser lost immediately.
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  Speaker 1: After many games over the weeks and months, the strategies, alliances,
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  Speaker 1: you and your families, respectfully. That is Austin from Saint Louis, Missouri.
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  Speaker 2: Nice work, Austin, you cracked the code finally. Thank you
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