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How to learn to love yourself unconditionally. · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: What happened to me in my life is statistically impossible.
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  So someone upstairs was looking out. Yet I wasn't showing
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  that respect of saying I trust that you love me.
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  Speaker 2: I trust that everything is going to be okay.
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  Speaker 1: Giving that trust to the universe, I've seen amazing, miraculous
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  things start to happen in my life. You and your
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  wife have the most amazing eyes. So having to stare
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  directly at you and do this podcast, I feel like
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  I'm slowly falling in love.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go, so now we can do this.
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  I have to stare into those schools.
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  Speaker 3: So this is why you don't look at me. And
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  this is why I was like, it's like scood, it
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  doesn't give me icon.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny.
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  Speaker 1: The Prince is right there because there's that famous joke
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  of like, never look prince in the eyes, You'll fall
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  in love. This is what you learned the Jay Shattered podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I love it, man, And you look different since the
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  last time I saw you. Yeah, shaved shaved, and you
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  look well there you look great man. Thanks man, And
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  I wanted I wanted to tell people because I think
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  when people see people connecting that I don't realize sometimes
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  how organically people meet and I want to share that
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  story if that's okay, and you can fill in the details.
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  But it was a couple of years ago. We were
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  at our mutual friend, Justin Bordoni's movie premiere. Yeah, he
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  had the movie coming out five feet apart, and I
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  went to the movie premier. I was running late. I
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  didn't think I was going to make it. I was like,
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  oh gosh, I don't want to let Justin down. I
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  really want to be there for him. And then I'm
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  walking in and then I see you walking in, and
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  I knew who you were based on all the incredible
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  work you've been doing for two decades now or more.
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  Speaker 1: And I knew you, and I didn't know that I
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  was a fan of what you were putting out there
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  and I was in the positivity. So when I saw you,
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  I got just as excited.
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  Speaker 3: So I got excited, and I was in this space
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  where I was like, I have to go and tell him,
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  because if someone's impacted your life or you love the
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  artists they work with the work that they do. Today,
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  we're going to discuss all the philanthropy work you're doing
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  when you're into some and I feel like it's so
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  important to not go and ask for a picture, but
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  to go and express how you feel about them. And
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  so I came up to you and I was like, Scooter,
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  I'm a big fan of all the work you're doing. Congratulations.
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  And then when you said it back to me, and
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  I remember the words you said, they were so powerful,
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  and it just showed me how present you were. And
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  I think maybe you know, people don't know this about
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  you because not everyone gets to bump into you. But
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  you were like, I said, the work you're doing is
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  really important, thank you for doing it. And you said
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  you're doing the most important work and I meant it yeah,
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  and it was it really touched my heart. I was
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  so you know, I was so humbled and honored to
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  hear that from you.
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  Speaker 1: And then we were like, well, let's get together, and
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  I think you kind of looked at me when I
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  said it, as like, okay, yeah, I'm not really going
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  to get together definitely, And we ended up going for
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  lunch the next day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, our wives met and.
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  Speaker 1: We became friends, you know, and then you joined us
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  on a trip, and you know, it's I just I'm
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  so happy to see your message getting louder and louder
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  and bigger and bigger, because I think you're giving people
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  a lot of the things they need to hear, and
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  a lot of positivity and allowing them to slow down
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  and take a breath.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, man. And I've always felt that support
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  from you, and we've had some amazing trips and some
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  good walks, and some good walks as well, some really
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  important walks and meaningful times in my life. And sure
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  you've always been so helpful, mentoring, supportive as well, and
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  so thank you. But today I think you know, the
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  fascinating thing for me is that you have these incredible
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  artists that you founded. You then have the man behind
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  the people, the work the person, but then even far
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  removed from that, you have the work that the man
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  is doing behind the scenes. And so it's almost like
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  you're twice removed the real you. The behind the scenes
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  version of you is almost so distant from what people
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  experience on the front lines. That's what I want to
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  discover today and share today, because that's what I feel
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  I got a glimpse of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you did.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's so funny that we're doing this
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  because we talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Doing this pre COVID.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then COVID hit and a lot of things happened,
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  a lot of things changed, and you know, for me,
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  COVID was an opportunity to slow down and do some
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  real self reflection and self work, which I think we
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  all should be doing at all times. You know, I
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  really came to terms with the fact that as long
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  as I'm breathing, I'm a student. And it's funny that
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  you start there, because obviously my nickname is Scooter and
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  my given name was Scott, and I can tell you
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  I don't remember ever liking the name Scott until now.
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  You know, I didn't realize until I've did the work
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  I've done really over the last six months, that I
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  kind of left Scott behind in a way and built
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  something that I thought was powerful enough to be in
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  the world, something that I thought deserved to be loved.
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  Speaker 2: By the world.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't realize subconsciously how much I had left
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  that inner child behind, and my friends didn't realize it.
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  And I was having fun everything else, but I was
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  always kind of trying to build something new because of.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you and I spoke about this. One of
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  the quotes that I loved.
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  Speaker 1: Someone said many times we don't know our trauma because
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  it was never ours. And you know, my grandparents are
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  Holocaust survivors, and my parents went through what they went through,
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  and I feel like I kind of inherited some of
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  that where I always felt like, when is it going
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  to get taken away? When are they going to show
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  up and take it away from me? So I was
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  always building for something else to protect me and my family,
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  not realizing that everything that I ever needed was right
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  here in the present and doing this work. I went
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  back and got Scott and I think you saw a
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  glimpse of that. Certain friends of mine saw glimpse of that,
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  and I feel like, coming out of COVID, I'm putting
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  that more on the forefront.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Hearing that, Yeah, I started there just because I
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  think it's the root of today's conversation. You know, us
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  sitting down here today is two friends wanting to go
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  deep in a conversation we would have offline but online.
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  And hearing you say that is so freeing. I'm sure
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  for everyone who's listening and watching for themselves too, because
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  I think all of us are holding onto a trauma
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  that's not ours or something that we experience let's focus
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  on that. Let's go back then to what were you
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  like as a kid, because I'm intrigued to know I
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  didn't know you then. What were you like like? Were
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  you always confident? Was there and insecurity? What is it
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  that you were working through as a kid, or at
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  least in hindsight, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, look out of respect for people that I love.
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  Speaker 1: There's certain things I'm not going to go into only
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  because I realized now that we all see the world
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  through our lens, and when you really start to do
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  the work, you realize that things that happened to you
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  a lot of times were happening to you because it's
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  all that people knew, you know, and that it's not
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  about resenting anyone or being angry. It's actually about loving
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  more and then changing the pattern, you know, because you're
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  choosing that for yourself. So what I can tell you
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  is I was a very sensitive, loving kid and loved everybody,
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  loved having fun, loved shining my light out there, but
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  was super sensitive. And I think as I grew up,
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  I was you know, I was raised for a tough world,
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  and I was raised by very loving people, but there
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  was a lot of trauma, you know that you know,
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  like I said, the Holocaust like things happened, and when
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  people go through that, they're trying to protect their next generation,
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  they're trying to protect their loved ones. So they're giving
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  them that what you need to look out for. And
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  I'm grateful for that many ways because there's great things
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  that come with that. But also, as a child, you
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  don't really have that rational thought until you're like six
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  or eight years old, so you're interpreting things the way
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  you are. You don't realize you're setting these patterns. And
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  I'm not embarrassed to say this, you know, one of
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  the things I did during COVID. In fact, I'm not
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  the opposite embarrassed. I'm grateful to these people. I had
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  canceled four times on something called the Hoffman process, and
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  I finally went in October because you know, friends were
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  pushing me and saying this is going to be great
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  for you, and I was like, what do I need
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  this for?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: And I finally went, and it was the greatest gift
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  I ever gave myself. And it was the first time
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  in twenty years that I went no phone, no email,
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  no TV. I was completely ingrained in this process, and
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  funny enough, which is why you and I haven't connected.
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  When I got out, everyone was like, Okay, he's going
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  to turn his phone back on. And I actually got
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  a burner phone and didn't turn my actual phone back
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  on until the end of the year. Wow, until twenty
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  twenty one. Really, and I you know, my team stepped
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  up for me. I was kind of going through a
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  couple different people, and you know, giving the suggestions and helping,
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  and the artists that I work with were incredibly respectful
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  of it and appreciative because you know, I'd been there
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  for them, and I remember them looking at me like,
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  now it's time for us to be here for you
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  and let you go through you know, your learning or whatever.
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  And and I've really had a shift in my life.
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  And I couldn't be more grateful, because you go through
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  and things are going good. You're seeing other people in
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  their trauma, You're seeing other people with whatever they're going through,
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  and you don't want to look at yourself because you're like, well,
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  my life's so good, I have nothing to complain about.
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  I don't I don't need to do this work because
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  who am I to even say I need help? You know,
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  when people are really going through proms I should just
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  focus on the good things in my life. And what
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  I realized is we all deserve the right to slow
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  down and say why am I hurting? What am I
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  going through? What work can I do? And I'm grateful
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  that a lot of people that love me push me
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  to do that.
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  Speaker 3: That's amazing. I'm so and you told me you did
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  that recently when we were talking. I was so happy,
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  and the other conversation we had that was attached to that,
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  it actually brought me so much joy because I feel
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  like when someone in your life that you care for
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  actually invests in themselves and now is saying no to
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  certain opportunities or delaying events in their life or priorities
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  in their life, like huge priorities. I mean, your artists
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  have huge like not huge is not in astronomical careers
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  with constant releases, with constant work, And the fact that
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  you took that time, they're getting to see what you're prioritizing.
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  And what I find so special about that is you
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  had to It's amazing to think about this, but you
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  had to feel you were worthy of that time, that
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  you had to feel like you deserved it, and that
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  you couldn't just neglect it because yes, you do have
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  a blessed, fortunate life which you're grateful for. Tell us
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  about that feeling of feeling worthy, because I feel like
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  that's such a.
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  Speaker 2: Feeling like you're enough. To be honest with you, I
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  think you know.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things I learned there is we have
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  these core shame lies, you know that we tell ourselves
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  that affect us and create our fear and create our
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  transference with other people.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not the root of things. I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I got a new tattoo actually when I got out
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  it says love more on my chest because that's the
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  number one lesson I learned. That's how you need to
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  respond to really most things. And I'm working on that
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  every single day with everything. Whenever I feel resistance, I realize,
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  oh my god, this isn't there's a lesson for me here.
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  One of the things I had to realize is that
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  I'm good enough, because there's this weird thing that like
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  you kind of go through life wondering are you good enough?
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  And all these things are happening for you, and you're wondering,
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  do I really deserve this?
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  Speaker 2: Am I good enough?
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  Speaker 1: The other thing I realized was none of us truly
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  love ourselves unconditionally, and then how we're supposed to love
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  other people unconditionally. To me, the way God loves us
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  is unconditional. And one of the things I really had
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  to go through. And you know, when I'm reminding myself
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  every day in my daily meditations now, is that one
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  you're good enough to, you're lovable to every allone else
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  deserves love. And then the biggest thing I'm realizing is
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  that I need to trust, you know, trust in the unknown,
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  because you go out there and I got to make
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  this happen. I'm asleep when I'm dead, like all these
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  different things. And the truth is what happened to me
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  in my life is statistically impossible. So someone upstairs was
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  looking out and they've given me a life with every
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  single sign that God loves me and is looking out
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  for me. Yet I wasn't showing that respect of saying
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  I trust that you love me, I trust that everything's
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  going to be okay. And giving that trust to the universe,
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  I've seen amazing, miraculous things start to happen in my life,
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  and I can tell you it's almost like I'm prospering
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  better than ever before because of that and the challenges
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  have been getting harder and harder and cantinuing. But it's
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  almost like these tools now are allowing me for the
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  waves to hit me, and I'm swimming through them and
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  I'm understanding with everything, there's something else to be learned.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: See, when I'm hearing you say it, you can tell
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  that it's been so realized because a lot of these
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  things we hear them in daily talk, like oh yeah,
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  you should learn from everything in life, and every challenge
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  has a lesson and an opportunity. But when you hear
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  someone say it and they're living it, it just it
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  sounds different and it hits different. And the biggest thing
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  you said which really resonated with me just now is
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  the idea of the love more the tattoo you go.
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  I read this incredible statement from a writer called Russell Barkley.
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  He's no longer with us, but the statement he said,
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  like literally this is like it's changed how I view
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  every situation and it correlates so similarly to the experience
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  you had. So Russell Barkley said, people who need the
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  most love often ask for it in the most unloving ways.
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  Literally every day when I'm living my life, I see
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  people ask me for love sometimes in the most unloving ways,
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  and I think we've all experienced that big time, where
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  someone's criticizing you, but really they just want love. Where
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  someone's trying to get something from you or reaching out
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  to you, but they want love. Like everyone's ultimately seeking love,
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  but they are seeking it through validation or attention.
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  Speaker 2: And I think we learned that as a kid.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I told my dad, you know recently that
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  you loved me so unconditionally that I see through the
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  lives of fear, you know, because how you know, we
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  were giving our kids in a weird way, sometimes transactional
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  love because we're trying to teach them lessons and then
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  you go through life. And I never thought I was
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  a transactional person because I'm not like that with money. Yeah,
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  but I realized I was like that weirdly with love,
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  you know. And I was like that with respect, Oh,
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  I'm not going to you know, you got to respect
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  me or respect is earned. Well, Actually, I can give
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  respect without receiving it. Yes, you know, I can give
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  love without receiving it. You know, I can do that
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  from my own self. I'm just gonna respond with kindness
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  because That's what I'm working on. And by the way,
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  it doesn't always work like there are mornings you wake
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  up and you're fresh and we're human and I think,
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  a beautiful thing my teacher said to me recently, He said,
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  why are you giving yourself these unrealistic expectations?
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  Speaker 2: And it was so beautiful what he said. It was
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  he said, if you.
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  Speaker 1: Say to yourself, I'm gonna work out every single day
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  this month, and then you miss one workout, you know
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  what you normally do, you end up missing three or
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  four because you're kind of ashamed that you missed that
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  once you kind of fall off the wagon. The truth is,
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  stop giving yourself this crazy expectation and give yourself some
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  self compassion. We're not perfect, we're flawed. So if I
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  miss that workout, you know what, that's okay. I'll get
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  back on it tomorrow, you know. And the same thing
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  goes with anger, with frustration. You're allowed to fall and
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  stumble and then realize it and can get back on.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the biggest thing I'm working on.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm a perfection I want to you know, I
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  want to get this learning right. But it doesn't it
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  doesn't end here, you know, it's if it ends I die,
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  you know, and then I could probably come back and
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  learn again, which is by way anyone wants to understand.
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  Speaker 2: You and I have talked about this.
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  Speaker 1: Many Lives, Many Masters by Brian Weiss is a very
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  good book to read to kind of just give yourself
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  an idea of why thinking about reincarnation. It's such a
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  beautiful way to look at life. Yes, but yeah, it's
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  these are the things you and I talked about.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: No just saying it's people like again on the podcast
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  and they're like, we're going to talk career and everything else,
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  and I said, I want to do Jay's because we're
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  probably not going to talk any career.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well for me, it's just this coming from hashtag
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  no days off. So when I met you, it was
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  hashtag no days off and I'm going down on a
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  personal but we worked out together. I have never thrown
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  up that bad. It's in my life.
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  Speaker 1: If you remember, I was a little out of control
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  with the expectations of working out, as I was like,
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  are you okay?
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  Speaker 3: We worked out together. We did this crazy circuit and
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  I don't like high intensity for anyone who's listening or watching,
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  and literally we did this workout? And you know, I mean,
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  you could tell Scooter has got a completely different body
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  to mine. I'm doing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not like I was back then, but I will
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  say this is more competitive because you would not tell
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  me you weren't okay, and I just said, Jay, you
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  look a little No, I'm good, I'm good, Let's keep going.
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  And there were three of us and you didn't want
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  to be the one person falling out.
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  Speaker 2: And then finally, finally you literally.
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  Speaker 1: Sat down on the ground and you're like, I'm not okay,
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  and just you said I'm gonna go to the bathroom
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  and you disappeared for a good forty five Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Literally, I was, I was pukid like anything, but it
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  was just yeah, it was. Yeah. I've always had that
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  spirit of wanting to see how far I can go,
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  and when I did that as a monk, there were
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  experiences that broke me because we were doing crazy fasts,
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  crazy meditations, and all it brought me back to was
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  the realization that I wasn't Superman. Yeah, and I think
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  that that's what I'm hearing from what I'm hearing you
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  say too, is the idea of like, no matter how
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  able you are and how capable you are, and the
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  boundaries that you push we all still have.
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  Speaker 1: And you're going to fall again. I'm having this learning
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  and having this epiphany. I'm going to break again, yeah,
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  you know, and this time I have tools to put
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  my hand on my chest and say, we all suffer.
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  The world is filled with suffering. Give yourself some self compassion, yeah,
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  you know, and give it to others. And it's been
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  a beautiful thing. And I credit some amazing people in
• 18:34
  my life who really pushed me to go there. And
• 18:40
  you know, when you go there, there's also sadness, you know,
• 18:42
  realizing how many things you missed because you were planning
• 18:46
  for something in the future, how many times you weren't
• 18:49
  present because you thought you had to protect something that
• 18:52
  you already had, you know. And I'm just grateful. I'm
• 18:58
  not going to spend another thirty nine years not knowing
• 19:01
  these things. Yeah, and I look forward to every five
• 19:04
  years telling you another level of learning.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be that way, you know.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: And I and I weirdly like the falls are where
• 19:14
  the greatest learnings are.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Thousand percent thousand percent. And that's and that's the problem, right,
• 19:19
  what you just said about missing a day over workout
• 19:22
  and then it ends up missing four days. It's the
• 19:24
  same when we go, okay, well now I'm not going
• 19:26
  to fall because I found a new place of enlightenment.
• 19:30
  And what we don't realize is, again, like you said,
• 19:32
  it may not be every five days, but every three
• 19:34
  or four years, there's going to be another moment of revolution.
• 19:37
  And when you keep thinking, oh, no, no, this time,
• 19:39
  I've got it, that's that's where the mistake is made,
• 19:42
  is like, oh, this time it's not going to happen.
• 19:44
  But tell me about what does it take? Because I
• 19:47
  remember you discussing the Hoffman project with me when we
• 19:50
  first met, and you were like, oh, I think you
• 19:52
  of going to this, et cetera. I want to know
• 19:54
  a bit more about the process of Hoffman so that
• 19:56
  everyone can be exposed to and understand a bit more
• 19:58
  as much as they can. But also like what does
• 20:01
  it take for someone like you to go in that direction?
• 20:05
  Like what does it take? What happened? What's going on
• 20:10
  in order to urge you and encouraging you.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It's not as significant, Yeah, yeah it's not. No, it
• 20:16
  wasn't like you know.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: It was funny when I went I started and my
• 20:20
  wife and I started hearing all kinds of rumors of
• 20:22
  he's gone crazy, and this is not like because I
• 20:24
  was away and you know, all kinds of weird things.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't that.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: It was just feeling like I wasn't present in my
• 20:31
  life and feeling like the people around me who love me,
• 20:38
  I felt they're hurt because one we're all coming in
• 20:43
  with our own trauma, and weirdly our trauma was matching
• 20:46
  up and I couldn't fix it. I'm a fixer, you know.
• 20:53
  I'm the guy who, since I was a kid, I'm
• 20:55
  gonna make it be okay for everybody. And there was
• 20:58
  this child. I just couldn't fit things in this moment
• 21:02
  in time. And suddenly, because I couldn't fix things, I
• 21:07
  started to spiral. I started to literally lean more into
• 21:12
  my negative patterns of wanting to control things because I
• 21:16
  couldn't fix things, and my heart was in the best place.
• 21:19
  I wanted everything to be okay and everyone to be happy,
• 21:22
  but I couldn't get everything in the right place. And
• 21:26
  I'd been playing that chess game for so long and
• 21:29
  the board was getting away from me. And suddenly I
• 21:33
  realized a very dark thought came into my head. The
• 21:38
  ultimate I'm not enough, the ultimate I shouldn't be here,
• 21:42
  that's not me. And when that thought entered my mind,
• 21:46
  I said, what are you doing here? I said, Oh,
• 21:49
  I've never gone that dark. And I signed up for
• 21:53
  the Hoffmann Process the next day.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Why Hoffman tell us a bit about it for anyone
• 21:57
  who doesn't know, because I think I love giving credit
• 22:01
  where it's due to places and.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Started by a guy named Bob Hoffman in the United States,
• 22:06
  there's one in the NAPA area and there's one in Connecticut.
• 22:11
  An amazing woman named Liza was the one who is
• 22:13
  one of the co CEOs with her husband, and it's
• 22:16
  a nonprofit. It's just an amazing process that really delves
• 22:19
  into spirituality, delves into early childhood, delves into your trauma,
• 22:23
  your patterns, and you give yourself over for basically seven days.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: No phone, no phone, no email, kids, You're.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: No working out, no book, no nothing. And there's a
• 22:35
  lot of writing. What I will say to you is
• 22:38
  I don't want to go into what the processes because
• 22:40
  it's important. Whoever does it is surprised.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: But what was interesting is I started, I had certain people.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: You know what you need, you need to go to
• 22:48
  Hoffman and I had canceled four times, and it was
• 22:50
  always a reason, I'm not going to go to this.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I don't need this, Like I'm busy.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And one of my friends, who's one of the most
• 22:57
  brilliant friends I have, he said to me when I
• 23:02
  went in, I went in to manipulate it so I
• 23:05
  can come out and show the people I love. Look,
• 23:06
  I did this. Aren't you proud of me? Because someone
• 23:09
  that you know, he loved had done it. And he
• 23:11
  looked at me and he said, you can't manipulate this.
• 23:14
  And I was fascinated that he said that, because he's
• 23:16
  such a smart guy. And I'm like, what could they
• 23:18
  really do in a week? And he said, it's going
• 23:20
  to be the most remarkable experience of your life. And
• 23:23
  my other friend Penny had said it to me, and
• 23:25
  you know, and I.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I decided I'm going to go. And it felt like
• 23:30
  I was.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: It was gone for a year almost, you know, And
• 23:32
  I really gave myself over to this process and made
• 23:35
  really amazing friendships. I wasn't like sharing. You share feelings
• 23:39
  and you know, different things, and I opened up in
• 23:41
  a way that I never expected. And I laugh now
• 23:44
  because I look back at the timeline of when we
• 23:46
  did things, because I had this workbook, and I realized
• 23:49
  that day two, I remember having such an intimate conversation
• 23:52
  with my teacher, and I thought that must have been
• 23:54
  day five.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: It was day two, you know.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: And Yeah, I went in deep and I uncovered a
• 24:00
  lot of things, and I realized a lot of things
• 24:02
  about myself, about my patterns, about forgiveness for myself, understanding
• 24:09
  of things, forgiveness of others, and I was just eternally grateful.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And was interesting is when I came out, I had this, Oh.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy, I'm so in love with life and
• 24:23
  myself and the world and people.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And I came back and I entered a lot of darkness.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: And the tools that I got at Hofman allowed me
• 24:34
  to understand that the darkness was because that's what God
• 24:38
  wanted me to have, That's what There were lessons that
• 24:43
  I needed to learn. I'd now been given these tools,
• 24:45
  and there was no darkness. There was an opportunity to learn.
• 24:50
  There was an opportunity to go deeper every single day.
• 24:54
  And I always found that when I was doing my meditations,
• 24:57
  the biggest revelations were my deepest breaths, my longest deepest breaths,
• 25:01
  I'd have the deepest revelations. And I in one of
• 25:04
  my meditations, I realized, that's life. I've been going around
• 25:08
  taking these quick breaths, treating my life that way, and
• 25:11
  I wasn't slowing down enough in life to take a
• 25:13
  deep breath and let.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: It come to me.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And and that is that just comes down to know self,
• 25:21
  forgiveness and you know, and a lot of a lot
• 25:25
  of beautiful things.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And I'm really grateful to you know, the people.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I will never say who I was there with because
• 25:31
  they don't do that, and no one has ever said
• 25:33
  I was there. This is actually the first time I
• 25:34
  publicly said that I was there, and it was a
• 25:37
  very cool thing. I'm very grateful and now sharing this,
• 25:41
  there's so many other people who come to me of
• 25:42
  like they're things of self work that they've done, and
• 25:45
  they're like, you should try this and try this, and
• 25:47
  it's just a very exciting place to be. And I
• 25:51
  can tell you the greatest gift of all is for
• 25:55
  my children. You know, I was a good dad before.
• 25:59
  I love my kids. I'd come home every night put
• 26:01
  them to sleep, and you know, and I'm married to
• 26:04
  super Mom. She's awesome, and I am present with my
• 26:10
  children in a way that I didn't know possible before.
• 26:14
  And I think that's the greatest thing often gave me.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: It's it's so it's so beautiful listening to someone have
• 26:21
  that experience, Like I consider and just listen to you
• 26:23
  all day because it's it is it's so gratifying to
• 26:26
  the soul, like on a much more deeper spiritual level,
• 26:30
  to hear someone having that experience and and and doing
• 26:34
  that work. And how does that? And I do want
• 26:37
  to talk a bit about career on this on this
• 26:39
  level of frequency, because what I'm fascinated by, and I
• 26:43
  think this is what people often don't see as symbiotic,
• 26:47
  is how spiritual inside leads to spiritual career practice. How
• 26:54
  does how does someone like you take this very profound
• 26:57
  experience and work. And by the way, have having known
• 27:00
  you for a few years, like I know that this
• 27:02
  wasn't just seven days of work. This is years and
• 27:04
  years and years and years. There's yeah, exactly in seven
• 27:07
  days where the seven days like accelerates and like really
• 27:10
  makes it powerful and meaningful. But you've been doing this
• 27:13
  for a while and thinking about these things for a while,
• 27:16
  how does that then manifest in your work. How do
• 27:19
  you take this energy? Is it how you're dealing with people,
• 27:23
  is it how you're creating stuff? How does someone do that?
• 27:25
  Because I think a lot of people, even I get
• 27:27
  asked this question a lot is like they say, spirituality
• 27:30
  and business is like almost separate.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely disagree.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, same. You know.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: The other thing I.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Want to point out, because I've been thinking a lot
• 27:36
  about this, is that the same way I said that,
• 27:40
  I believe you get the lessons when you're supposed to
• 27:42
  get them. I believe you're supposed to. I don't think
• 27:46
  I should have had this mentality in the beginning of
• 27:49
  my career. I think that I'm exactly where I'm supposed
• 27:52
  to be. The universe wants me to be exactly where
• 27:55
  I am, so things I needed to be a certain
• 28:00
  way at certain points to learn those things for those
• 28:03
  things to happen. And now this is where I am
• 28:06
  at thirty nine, and this is where I needed to learn.
• 28:08
  And now you know, I'm having a different kind of grace,
• 28:13
  I'm having a different kind of empathy. I'm understanding to
• 28:16
  let go and allow people to have their process and
• 28:20
  their journey in a different way because I'm understanding my
• 28:23
  own in a different way. I'm not having this need
• 28:28
  to justify. You know, there's times where I'm seeing how
• 28:35
  I'm like, well, they're seeing my growth as like, oh,
• 28:40
  he got there, and I'm sitting there like, well, you
• 28:41
  haven't got there either, And I'm smiling to myself because
• 28:45
  it's not my place to say that, because it wasn't
• 28:46
  their place to say it to me, you know, And
• 28:49
  I'm here to you know, it's almost funny we talk
• 28:52
  about different religions, you and I and I'm Jewish. You know,
• 28:56
  I've grown up in a Christian society and I've gotten
• 28:58
  to a place also where under standing. I don't want
• 29:00
  to live my Judaism and fear. You know, thousands of
• 29:05
  years of persecution gave us strength, but also a lot
• 29:09
  of fear and telling us we can't go near something.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yet.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: You know, Moses married Supporah, who was not Jewish, and
• 29:18
  when he brought her to his people and he said
• 29:20
  she loves me and everything, no would question that. Just
• 29:22
  years of assimilation and losing identity cause us to have
• 29:25
  a tremendous amount of fear.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to live with that fear anymore.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I want to explore other spiritualities and be true to
• 29:30
  myself and my own you know, I'm not afraid to
• 29:32
  hear the wisdom of another spirituality. So you know, my friend,
• 29:36
  he was giving a sermon. He's Christian, and I've listened,
• 29:38
  and I thought it was beautiful. He was saying in
• 29:40
  the Book of Matthew, it's not about saying it and
• 29:42
  teaching it, it's about living it and letting someone else
• 29:45
  see it.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: And I've now seen that.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: You know, We've talked about it within your religion, and
• 29:50
  I'm trying to get to that place of like, I
• 29:52
  don't have all the answers.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I'm figuring it out every single day.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I am as flawed as they get, you know, but
• 29:58
  I'm just going to try to live my best, you know.
• 30:01
  And you know, last night I did a clubhouse talk
• 30:04
  with Demi and she became my client over the past
• 30:08
  year and she's been through a lot. We have this
• 30:10
  amazing documentary coming out, and she and I.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Were talking about her whole career.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Every time she faltered, she has the strength to get
• 30:19
  back up, and people call her a role model, and
• 30:22
  she's like, I'm just afraid because it's just too much
• 30:25
  perfection to live in and then I always crash. And
• 30:28
  she started to do interviews for this new album and
• 30:30
  she's like, I want to be a role model.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And I called her up. I said, what are you doing?
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I said, you're giving yourself that same sense self, you know,
• 30:37
  perfection that caused you to fall before.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I said, we got to change the word.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And I thought about my brother Adam, who has a
• 30:45
  nonprofit called Pencil Promise, and he told me I don't
• 30:48
  want to be called nonprofit. I want to be called
• 30:49
  for purpose. I don't want to say what we don't,
• 30:51
  don't want to say what we do. And I said,
• 30:55
  a DEMI stop calling yourself a role model. Let's go
• 30:58
  with real model. You're person, and you are flawed, and
• 31:02
  you are imperfect, and you are honest, and you don't
• 31:05
  have to be perfect ever again.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And we like that. And that's how she's saying now.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: And I think if we start treating ourselves and others
• 31:13
  with this same sense of it's why I hate cancel culture.
• 31:17
  I mean, I understand we all have a lot of pain,
• 31:20
  but if we don't give people an opportunity for growth,
• 31:24
  what are we doing. We're just giving the next generation
• 31:26
  the same pain you know, and it's a hard thing
• 31:30
  to ask people.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: It's a hard thing to ask.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: When you've been abused, when you've been persecuted, when you've
• 31:34
  been mistreated.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: To love your neighbor. You know, that's a very tall order.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's my right to tell someone
• 31:43
  to do it, but I can choose to start doing
• 31:46
  it in my own life. And I can tell you
• 31:48
  it's hard. It's hard, and I falter and I stumble sometimes.
• 31:52
  And I said to my wife just the other day,
• 31:55
  I said, hey, I caught myself the other day. I
• 31:57
  was upset with someone how they treated me. So I
• 32:01
  made a comment to you that wasn't the kindest comment
• 32:06
  about them. You know, it wasn't awful, but it just
• 32:09
  wasn't giving them their credit because I was upset about
• 32:11
  something that happened to me. I said, if you catch
• 32:14
  me doing that, can you just if you notice it,
• 32:16
  just tell me to stay in my heart. And she
• 32:18
  was like, I got you, And I think that's what
• 32:21
  I'm trying to do. I'm trying to stay there.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's that accountability culture, Like you know, you
• 32:26
  have someone in your life that you're being accountable to,
• 32:29
  your wife and this example, and like that feeling of
• 32:32
  we do need accountability. We want to be accountable to ourselves,
• 32:35
  to the people we love, the people that are important.
• 32:37
  And I just want to point out, I don't know if
• 32:38
  you know this, how perfect it was that you said
• 32:40
  the real and role models thing. Tupac said, we need
• 32:42
  real models, not role models, and I'm looking at him,
• 32:44
  looking at you, and I'm like.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I'll take my shirt.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Ye yeah, show me that more. Love more. But it's
• 32:52
  so that's such a beautiful point. And you know, I
• 32:55
  want to share this because we talked about this and
• 32:58
  I struggled with that. So me and my wife, when
• 33:00
  we talk about relationships, we talk about our mistakes. If
• 33:04
  you listen to our podcast, she's been in my guest
• 33:06
  three times. Every year, we do an episode together and
• 33:08
  we talk about everything we get wrong, and the number
• 33:11
  one comment will be hashtag relationship goals, or the number
• 33:14
  one comment will be like hashtag cute ast couple or
• 33:16
  whatever it is, and my comment back will be, please
• 33:19
  listen to what I'm saying. And so what I find
• 33:22
  is that we've been conditioned and programmed to want someone
• 33:26
  to be perfect. DEMI you justin you know, a whoever
• 33:32
  me and my wife are one.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It's perfect.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: None of us are perfect.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You and I talked once. I said, we're made to serve,
• 33:40
  not to be worshiped.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: A thousand.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: No one can live up to worship.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: No one apart from God, you.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Know, worship God. Serve each other.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, I love that thought is perfect and beautiful. But
• 33:54
  that's what I mean that, because we've been conditioned to
• 33:57
  want to worship humans, we direct that worship into an athlete,
• 34:01
  into a singer, into a teacher, into a guide, whoever
• 34:04
  it is. But it's a shame that even when you
• 34:07
  have someone opening up and saying what it's actually like,
• 34:10
  our programming up here is so strong that we still
• 34:12
  project perfection. So now the new trend is Before it
• 34:17
  was if you were flawless, or at least presented yourself
• 34:20
  as flawless, that was considered worship worthy. Today now it's
• 34:23
  the opposite. If someone's really vulnerable, that's worship worthy. But
• 34:26
  the point is what you just said is let's move
• 34:28
  away from worship completely and let's just serve and support
• 34:31
  each other.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I want to say two things. Yes, one is about
• 34:34
  you and one is about me.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's good, we're both in the room.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go with you first, just because, and
• 34:40
  then I can end on me so you don't feel bad.
• 34:41
  A little over a year ago, you called me and
• 34:43
  you say, can we go for a walk. And we
• 34:46
  went for a walk, and I said, this is the
• 34:49
  unfortunate thing that we do to each other. We get
• 34:51
  to this place where we just want to tear each
• 34:54
  other down. And there's that line in Batman where they say,
• 34:56
  you know, if you do it, you know well long.
• 34:58
  I forget the line perfectly, but it's like, if you
• 35:00
  do it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Well long, right, if you do something long enough, you
• 35:03
  too would be the villain.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, I know exactly what I mean. Yeah, let me
• 35:07
  find it. It's a good line.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: It's I think I think Heath said it as the Joker.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: You either die a hero or live long enough to
• 35:14
  see yourself become a villain.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And that's so spot on and what we
• 35:20
  do to each other. And for me, I've recently watched
• 35:26
  The Queen's Gambit, specially the show on Netflix, which is fantastic,
• 35:31
  and I had coming out of Hoffin and seeing that
• 35:33
  I just had this epiphany that I had been this
• 35:36
  chess player, my whole life, I had stared at the
• 35:39
  board and people would come and show me attention and
• 35:42
  affection because of my skills on that board. So I thought, oh,
• 35:45
  that's love. So I'm going to keep playing this game.
• 35:48
  And people said, wow, you're really good at this. You're smart.
• 35:51
  You look at the career you're building, Look at the
• 35:53
  life you're building. The chess pieces are moving and moving
• 35:55
  and moving and moving. But I never took the time
• 35:57
  to stop, take a breath and say, hey, I'm really
• 35:59
  good at this game.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: If you ever want to talk about it, I'm happy to.
• 36:02
  But my name's Scott. Nice to meet you.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Until now, and so many people that loved me didn't
• 36:11
  know me. That's where the darkness was coming from. Because
• 36:15
  I don't feel like I've changed. I feel like I've
• 36:18
  reclaimed myself. And that was the gift of this year,
• 36:25
  you know I and I've had so many friends out
• 36:28
  there such a change. I shaved because when I was
• 36:31
  doing a meditation, I saw the spiritual version of myself
• 36:34
  that I wanted to be. I didn't have a beard,
• 36:37
  and I literally shaved that night and I haven't had
• 36:38
  a beard since. And I feel good because I went
• 36:44
  back and got me, you know, And and I love
• 36:49
  the person that I was all these years, and that's
• 36:52
  a part of me. I just reclaimed the rest of me,
• 36:55
  and I was relying too much on one side of
• 36:57
  the body. I went and got the rest and now
• 36:59
  I'm walking in a straight line and not putting so
• 37:02
  much pressure on my right foot.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: You know, it does.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: And I have this teacher now who literally I will
• 37:10
  lay out things that have been done to me that
• 37:12
  are very anyone else would be like, and he looks
• 37:15
  at me and goes, well, what role did you play?
• 37:17
  And it's an interesting thing because you go through life
• 37:21
  just learning, and you know, I think that's why. You know,
• 37:26
  I would look and people thinking God, well, God forgive me,
• 37:28
  and I'd get frustrated growing up because I'd be like,
• 37:31
  you're just making an excuse using God. But I actually
• 37:35
  now realize why was I frustrated that they felt forgiven?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: That was my stuff.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I'm angry that they felt forgiven because I hadn't forgiven
• 37:44
  myself for something, you know, And and I had my
• 37:47
  own work to do, and I was projecting my stuff
• 37:50
  on them. And the truth is, if we can all
• 37:54
  get to a place, if God sees everything that we're doing.
• 37:59
  He sees our messy because we're all messy, but he
• 38:03
  loves our messy. If we can get to a place
• 38:05
  we start to do love each other in the messy,
• 38:08
  that's when you start to feel really loved, you know.
• 38:11
  I started to love myself and the messy. Now I'm
• 38:14
  loving other people in my life and the messy, and
• 38:19
  that's real love. It's easy to love somebody when they're
• 38:22
  showing up for you all the time. It's easy to
• 38:25
  love someone when when they're doing good and they're giving
• 38:29
  you this ideal of perfection that makes you feel good,
• 38:32
  you know, or not even perfection.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: They just makes you feel good.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: It's so much harder to love somebody when they disappoint you,
• 38:40
  you know. And what I've started to realize is through
• 38:43
  my own actions, if someone's disappointing me, or when I've
• 38:46
  disappointed someone else, it's because I'm really disappointed in myself,
• 38:51
  you know, I'm projecting it onto somebody, and that's where
• 38:54
  that empathy comes from. And you and I could talk
• 38:56
  about this for hours, and I'm the first one to
• 38:59
  say I'm scratching the surface of this. I'm just figuring
• 39:03
  it out. I'm screwing up on a daily basis. And
• 39:06
  I'm just starting to really give myself empathy for the
• 39:10
  first time. And I'm excited about it, and I'm excited
• 39:13
  to learn. I'm excited to dig in and I'm excited
• 39:15
  to be present. I'm excited to have long conversations with
• 39:18
  people and like look them in their eyes, like I'm
• 39:21
  looking you in your gorgeous eyes there. But I've always
• 39:27
  been I want to honor you because I've always been
• 39:30
  grateful that you and I have had these conversations.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I mean it's been big for me
• 39:36
  because I think for me too, it's like you don't
• 39:40
  you don't you know when things are changing and moving
• 39:43
  and growing fast and you're not even aware of half
• 39:47
  the things, and I mean you do a million things,
• 39:49
  and so that's and that's partly the mistake also because
• 39:53
  you start recognizing, oh well, if I'm not aware or
• 39:56
  if I'm not conscious of everything I'm doing, then maybe
• 40:00
  I do need to slow down, Maybe I do need
• 40:02
  to change something, Maybe I do need to find the
• 40:03
  right people to be around me. And it all comes
• 40:06
  back to everything's trying to remind you to be conscious,
• 40:10
  to be awake, to not try and get away with
• 40:13
  being asleep, Like everything's trying to wake you up all
• 40:16
  the time, whereas we want to go to sleep in
• 40:18
  some areas of our life to be you know, like
• 40:21
  you want to be able to just let go of
• 40:22
  this thing here over here it's so exciting.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is when you start to have these discoveries
• 40:27
  within yourself that you want to share. So it's almost like, hey,
• 40:30
  the thing you've been learning the most when you're not talking,
• 40:34
  you know.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: So it's like this economy.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: And then there's that grace of just like it's okay,
• 40:40
  I don't have to be so hard on myself if
• 40:42
  I'm excited today.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I'm gonna overtalk. That's okay. Tomorrow I can
• 40:46
  be quiet.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Well, this is an interview with you.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm just saying like it's it's that it's
• 40:50
  giving yourself that grace of like and that that's another
• 40:53
  pattern like as a kid, like you know, you dim
• 40:55
  your light a little bit, like, oh, you're being too
• 40:56
  loud and getting to a place in your life where
• 41:01
  you know, when you're when your child is running in
• 41:04
  front of you and they're being louder, they you're not
• 41:06
  holding a grudge against your child. We hold these grudges
• 41:10
  as adults against ourselves and each other, but when we
• 41:13
  watch children play, they move on so quickly, and I
• 41:16
  wish we can get back to a little bit of that,
• 41:18
  you know, within ourselves. It's you know, even today, I
• 41:21
  found myself just now being like, oh, you're talking too much,
• 41:23
  and then maybe I am, but that's okay, you know,
• 41:27
  give myself a little bit of grace, like that's okay,
• 41:29
  and you know what, I can shut up too, and
• 41:32
  like there's no right or wrong here. It's two friends
• 41:35
  having a conversation and a bunch of people listening, and
• 41:38
  everyone's going to have a different reaction and that's okay.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. What does compassion mean when we say being compassionate
• 41:45
  with ourselves, It means to change your behavior enough so
• 41:50
  that you've shown that you've learned. But it means to
• 41:53
  love yourself as you're growing and changing that.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Which is confusing. It's confusing, but that's.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: What it means. Because people hear the word compassion, they think, oh,
• 42:01
  you're just being soft on yourself, like oh, oh, you're
• 42:04
  not judging yourself, which means you're not holding yourself accountable.
• 42:06
  But being compassionate means I know I need to change
• 42:09
  my behavior. I'm gonna start doing that, but I'm gonna
• 42:12
  love myself while I do that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: And I think I love that you said that, because
• 42:16
  let's take it a step further. Let's go back to
• 42:17
  that workout. Yeah, right, If I'm actually being compassionate in myself,
• 42:21
  I'll get back on it the next day.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know, it's.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: We act as if we're especially with cancel culture, we
• 42:30
  move in such a finite way. We don't think long term,
• 42:35
  We don't think in judging our lives. We judge in
• 42:39
  the moment and then we judge moments.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Later, you know.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: So it's the compassion to me is allow yourself to
• 42:48
  understand you're just in a moment in a very long story. Yeah,
• 42:52
  you know, and your story is not written yet, you're
• 42:56
  just writing part of it right now. And a great
• 42:59
  story story is never stagnant. Yeah, So, how would your
• 43:03
  teachers tell you to treat each moment?
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Like? How do they say to go about it?
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Because the one thing I'm working on is, well, you
• 43:10
  still have to show up. You still have to show
• 43:12
  up to every moment. But how do your teachers tell
• 43:13
  you to show up?
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: To each moment. How do they tell you to treat
• 43:15
  it mentally as you go into it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: The biggest mantra that was stated at the start of
• 43:19
  a moment was don't judge the moment. As soon as
• 43:21
  you label a moment, it now gets labeled in that
• 43:24
  jar or that box or that filing cabinet and cupboard,
• 43:28
  and then now you never reflect on whether that label
• 43:30
  was right or wrong.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: So just be.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: So just be because if you label, it's it's the
• 43:35
  labeling type. The mind wants to label things to make
• 43:37
  it simpler. That was a good experience, that was a
• 43:39
  bad experience, that was a good taco, that was a
• 43:42
  bad taco, That was a good restaurant as a bad restaurant.
• 43:44
  But as soon as you label it, you now don't
• 43:46
  allow that to become anything else. What if that restaurant evolves.
• 43:50
  So the idea of labeling simplifies for the mind, that
• 43:54
  actually makes the long term complex. So the idea is,
• 43:56
  instead of labeling, allow yourself to experience, allow yourself to
• 44:01
  re experience, and then if multiple experiences obviously give you
• 44:05
  the same experience, then you may put a label in pencil,
• 44:10
  but you're penciling labeling you're not putting like a permanent model.
• 44:12
  You know.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: It's funny my teacher uses the word be curious.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: You know, it's it's not be definitive, yes, you know, be.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Curious, yes exactly.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: But I want to play this game with you a
• 44:24
  little bit. I want to challenge you a little bit.
• 44:25
  I love it only because I want people listening to
• 44:27
  your podcast to hear you respond to this stuff, because
• 44:30
  I think you're brilliant about this. For those people who
• 44:32
  are listening to this podcast saying, Okay, I get all this,
• 44:34
  like you know, growth and learning and everything else, but
• 44:37
  COVID's been hard, and I've I don't have a job
• 44:39
  right now, and I can't pay my bills, and I've
• 44:42
  looked up who Scooter Braun is, and this guy financially
• 44:47
  he's not the same place as me, and he's out
• 44:49
  of touch and he can talk about all this spiritual learning,
• 44:51
  but he doesn't.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Know what I'm going through. They're right, they're right. I
• 44:57
  do not know their experience. I don't know anyone else's
• 45:00
  and I only know my own.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: But what I wanted to ask you is, what is
• 45:04
  your response to someone who is saying this is easy?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: To talk about.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: But what about in this capitalistic society that I live in.
• 45:14
  If I'm doing all this, I think I need to
• 45:17
  kind of just bury my head in the sand and
• 45:19
  just work, work, work, work, work. I don't have time
• 45:22
  for feelings in relationship. I need to get this money,
• 45:25
  because I've gone on this new app clubhouse many times,
• 45:27
  and I go into these rooms and I hear everybody
• 45:30
  talking about I get this money, get this money, How
• 45:32
  do I get to the top, How do I do this?
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: How do I do that?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: And every time I go in a room, I keep
• 45:36
  trying to stay the top of the mountain is and
• 45:38
  what you expect. So I wanted to kind of push
• 45:42
  you on that, because you have extraordinary people who are
• 45:46
  living extraordinaryr lives coming on here, and there are a
• 45:49
  lot of people out there. And I was once in
• 45:52
  certain positions, but I'm not in that position right now,
• 45:55
  and I'm sensitive to that, and I'm compassionate to that.
• 45:59
  What do you tell somebody who says this is all
• 46:02
  nice and everything, but I don't get I don't have
• 46:04
  that liberty.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So the first thing I'd say is that we
• 46:09
  all get to choose what our intention right now in life. Is,
• 46:12
  and if that's the intention that makes you happy and
• 46:14
  suits you, that's fine. Like I wouldn't even I don't
• 46:18
  even want to edit it. I don't even want to
• 46:19
  convince you of anything, because I remember being in a
• 46:24
  similar position myself not so long back, a few years ago,
• 46:27
  and I know that I had an intention to make
• 46:29
  a choice. At the same time, I would say them,
• 46:32
  if you're open to the idea that there is a better, smarter,
• 46:36
  more fulfilling way to go about making money, building a business,
• 46:42
  finding your way to the top, whatever you want to
• 46:44
  call it, then this is that path. And if you're
• 46:47
  open to that, then what you're hearing from Scooter. But again,
• 46:50
  what I loved you said, and you actually made this
• 46:52
  really clear. There was a mindset You've got to this
• 46:55
  at the right time for you. Yeah, which I'm remembering
• 46:59
  because that means that person whoever saying that is going
• 47:01
  to get to this. I don't know anyone who I
• 47:04
  meet who doesn't get to this, whether they're a billionaire
• 47:09
  or whether they just started out. I was lucky enough
• 47:11
  to get it at eighteen when I met my monk teaches.
• 47:13
  This is the stuff I was talking about at eighteen
• 47:15
  years old because that's what I was given in this life.
• 47:18
  And there are some people that I've met that are
• 47:20
  taken to seventy to get it. Some people are in
• 47:22
  their thirties. And the point is that you are going
• 47:24
  to have to get here at some point. Everyone's going
• 47:27
  to have to get to this point.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: And you need the context from before. Correct, that's what.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Might Just do whatever you do intentionally now that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: My teacher said to me goes, You're exactly where you're
• 47:36
  supposed to be. And it's you know, Kreta Scott King said,
• 47:39
  each generation has to fight the fight all over again.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know it, all of us.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: None of us get out unscathed, and all of us
• 47:46
  get the blessing of the journey, you know. And I
• 47:49
  was thinking about, you know this, the teaching we all
• 47:52
  get in our Judeo Christian society of Adam and Eve,
• 47:55
  and this idea that we sinned and we were cast out.
• 48:00
  We were punished, We were punished, we were cast out.
• 48:03
  We realized we were nude, we were ashamed. That's why
• 48:05
  we started wearing clothes all this different stuff. And I
• 48:07
  started thinking about that as a parent, because we're all
• 48:12
  God's children.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: So I was like well, let me rephrase this in
• 48:15
  my mind. When I give.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: My child the consequence or a punishment, I don't do
• 48:22
  it because I'm mad at them. I do it because
• 48:27
  I love them and I'm trying to guide them to
• 48:29
  an important lesson. And I realized that my idea of
• 48:33
  this idea that the original sin took place was wrong.
• 48:38
  I believe that all of us, because God loves us
• 48:43
  and wants us to learn, are given the gift of
• 48:48
  life and the gift of struggle, and the gift of
• 48:51
  being cast out so that we can go and get
• 48:54
  the context we need to appreciate.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: The Garden of Eden.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Heaven is spiritual, the enlightenment, and it's been an exciting
• 49:05
  way to look at things now that everything. That's why
• 49:08
  I love reading Many Lives, Many Masters, because when I
• 49:11
  kind of realize that a lot of major religions and
• 49:13
  in spirituality actually all believe in reincarnation. Kabala talks about reincarnation.
• 49:18
  A lot of major religions talk about reincarnation in their
• 49:21
  spirituality practices. And when you read this book, which is
• 49:24
  a true story, and you kind of understand that if
• 49:28
  you just kind of accept that, you get to come
• 49:31
  back and you're always learning. You start to not fear
• 49:34
  death anymore, and you start to realize this is going
• 49:38
  to be hard. There are days my heart's going to ache.
• 49:40
  Their days I'm not going to want. I feel like
• 49:42
  I can't breathe because I'm hurting. But all of those feelings,
• 49:45
  all of that is helping us learn things and give
• 49:47
  us context for greater lessons. And I'm in it and
• 49:53
  I'm excited, and i know that. The funny part is
• 49:55
  I've come to terms of the fact of like, I'm
• 49:57
  not here to have this great life.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I love my life and I'm great.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm like I've told you, you know, I'm gonna
• 50:02
  keep pouring my glass in other people's glasses. But I
• 50:04
  think the thing I'm most thrilled about is now I
• 50:06
  understand that pain is coming, happiness is coming, joy is coming,
• 50:14
  heartache is coming when I least expect it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Because the fact that I wake.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Up every morning and I'm still breathing means that there's
• 50:21
  something else for me to learn.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I gotta take some joy in that. Now.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but see this, but what you just said that,
• 50:28
  when you just said at the end that last day,
• 50:29
  when you said, but I take joy in that now
• 50:31
  that was This sounds intense, but it's actually beautiful. And
• 50:38
  that's where the joy pod comes in. So when we
• 50:40
  were trained, the scripture would say that life is about education,
• 50:46
  not enjoyment. Like life's about enlightenment not enjoyment. Now, what
• 50:51
  I mean by that is the joy of learning is
• 50:56
  the joy of life. But we are seeking enjoyment through
• 51:00
  the temporary pleasure, through the external satisfaction, through the quick wind,
• 51:04
  through the top, through the mountain, whatever it may be.
• 51:07
  And as soon as you switch that so every area
• 51:10
  you walk in, if you walked into every room today
• 51:12
  and you went in there and said, how can I
• 51:14
  learn from it? And how can I serve in it?
• 51:16
  Versus how can I enjoy this moment? I love that
• 51:20
  that's the difference. I love that we walk into every
• 51:22
  room going how can I enjoy this? You see a
• 51:24
  woman or a man? You how can I enjoy them?
• 51:26
  You see a house? How can I enjoy this?
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, I'm thinking of myself, where's the struggle.
• 51:30
  The struggle is when I haven't learned the lesson from
• 51:32
  the last room, and I'm still stuck on that lesson,
• 51:34
  And I got to walk into the next room, and
• 51:37
  that's where you start to get into a vicious cycle.
• 51:39
  And you know, it's like you start to falter, give
• 51:41
  yourself that grace of, hey, let's go down, let's take
• 51:44
  that big deep breath, let's reset. It's why, you know,
• 51:47
  when you went on on that trip together, you guys
• 51:49
  were waking up every morning and meditating. And I was like, oh,
• 51:51
  I've learned TM that I now meditate every morning and
• 51:55
  it has changed my life. And you know what, let
• 51:59
  me rephrase that. I try to meditate every more. There
• 52:02
  are days that I miss and now I give myself
• 52:04
  the grace of I'll get back on it tomorrow, or
• 52:06
  maybe I'll do a quick one tonight.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not oh, I meditate every day. You know,
• 52:12
  it's I.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Enjoy meditating. I like what it does for me. And
• 52:16
  if I miss one, I give myself that grace and
• 52:18
  I get back on them, you know, horse tomorrow.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: But that's what I mean that the joy. Like people go, well,
• 52:24
  then where's the fun in life? I'm always learning? Where's
• 52:26
  the fun? The learning is the fun part? Like when
• 52:29
  you come into a new place and like your teacher said,
• 52:31
  you're curious. Like when you came in here, you were
• 52:33
  like looking at the quotes to the people. You don't
• 52:36
  try to enjoy the art, You're like curious and you
• 52:39
  want to learn that is the fun of a childlike
• 52:41
  as childlike exactly where a childish mentality is to enjoy.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny as I started diving into
• 52:49
  all the different major religions, there's a quote in almost
• 52:51
  every major religion that talks about God. If you like,
• 52:54
  they ask Jesus, they say, show me, you know, show
• 52:57
  me God, and he says, look at the child.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: And they say it. And Hindu they say it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Like all these different every religion, you'll find something that
• 53:04
  points to the child and the innocence of the child
• 53:06
  and the love the child has. And you know, for me,
• 53:11
  I talked to someone who actually went to Hoffmann after me,
• 53:15
  and you know, this person hit me up and they
• 53:18
  were like, I'm losing the high.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Life is pulling me back in. I'm getting depressed.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I'm losing the high that I had three weeks ago
• 53:25
  when I got out.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: How do I get it back?
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: And I said, I don't know if I'm right, but
• 53:30
  I'll try and answer this question. And the way I'm
• 53:33
  gonna answer it I don't know if you're gonna Like
• 53:36
  I said, you got a high because you dealt with
• 53:41
  your worst demons and then you gave yourself forgiveness and
• 53:46
  you learned. If you want to get that high again,
• 53:51
  stop looking for the happiness, look for the resistance, look
• 53:55
  for the lessons and the resistance, and when you have
• 53:57
  the epiphany again, you'll get that high back.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: That's exactly point I'm making is that we're looking for
• 54:02
  the high in life constantly. We're looking for the enjoyment.
• 54:05
  We're looking for that release, that fun moment. But you
• 54:11
  got that experience from the work. Yeah, right, And that's
• 54:14
  such a beautiful way of looking at it. Tell me
• 54:16
  about some of the projects that you're working on right
• 54:18
  now that excite you the most, that you feel like
• 54:22
  allowing you to love most. Some of these could be
• 54:24
  SB Project's media work, but it also can be some
• 54:26
  of the philanthropy work that you're doing that behind the scenes,
• 54:29
  some of the work that you feel so excited and
• 54:31
  proud of. Because I also want to give you an opportunity,
• 54:33
  as I want everyone who's listening to have the opportunity
• 54:35
  to celebrate the stuff that they're excited about, because again,
• 54:38
  you'll dim your own light. So I'm going to ask
• 54:40
  you to drag about what you're doing.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: No, I appreciate that, but it's weird because of where
• 54:46
  I am right now, service based, yeah, but even service based,
• 54:50
  I mean I am having the most joy out of
• 54:55
  watching people that I supported have their own win. Weirdly,
• 55:02
  that is my biggest joy right now. Watching Justin Bieber
• 55:06
  take ownership of this album, the way he has ownership
• 55:10
  of the performances, the way he has ownership of his
• 55:15
  decision making, the way he has this is the most
• 55:19
  hands on he's ever been in his career. This is
• 55:24
  the most he's fought to push back on all of
• 55:28
  us to say I got this. And I told the
• 55:31
  other day proud is not the word. I respect it.
• 55:35
  I respect it so much. I'm so happy to see
• 55:41
  where Arianna is in her personal life, in her decision making,
• 55:44
  in her choosing to face so much trauma she's been
• 55:50
  through publicly and be the person that she is. I'm
• 55:56
  grateful watching this Demi documentary like I'm blown away by her.
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  You know I am, you know I am. Andrew Watt
• 56:04
  just one producer of the year, I know the year
• 56:06
  and a half that he's had and for him to
• 56:10
  come out the other side and then tell me the
• 56:13
  Grammy was amazing. But the work I'm doing on myself
• 56:15
  has been the greatest reward. I mean, I'm really proud
• 56:20
  of a lot of people in my professional life, and
• 56:23
  then I'm really proud of the people in my personal
• 56:26
  life because I'm seeing them do the same thing. So
• 56:29
  it's weird, like the accolades for me aren't necessarily the
• 56:35
  fact that I'm moving the chess pieces. I did that
• 56:37
  for a really long time. It's that I'm seeing all
• 56:41
  these other people who've been around me in my life
• 56:42
  and I'm looking over at their chessboard and I'm admiring
• 56:45
  their game, you know. I'm admiring their game, and I'm
• 56:50
  admiring who they are, and I'm admiring who they're showing
• 56:54
  up to be, and I'm just admiring their journey. And
• 56:58
  I'm not passing judgment. I'm just enjoying watching. I'm curious,
• 57:02
  you know. And to me, the funny thing is, in
• 57:07
  the last six months since I've let go more commercially,
• 57:13
  i think I've had more success than I've ever had
• 57:15
  in my life because I'm trusting and I think there's
• 57:20
  a weird reward in trusting the universe because I'm finding
• 57:25
  that joy and things have not been easy at times,
• 57:32
  but I'm leaning into those uneasy times and saying, what
• 57:35
  is this resistance?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Like? Why am I hurting?
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: What does that really mean? What is there for me
• 57:41
  to learn there? And I'm doing that as often as
• 57:43
  I possibly can. That's what I'm celebrating. That's what I'm
• 57:46
  excited about. I'm getting to a deeper place, and I'm
• 57:49
  hoping that my friends like you hold me accountable in
• 57:53
  six months when I start getting out of that and
• 57:57
  remind me of this and say, are you you and
• 58:00
  your meditations have a little you know self compassion that
• 58:03
  you've missed a bunch.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Now you're giving me permission to do that.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want that because I think that's what friends
• 58:07
  are for, right, if you give them permission.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I give you.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Full permission to keep me accountable, to make me continue
• 58:13
  to learn the same way I said to my wife,
• 58:15
  tell me to get back in my heart, you know,
• 58:17
  like and and I think we all should be that
• 58:22
  for each other, but not in a judgmental way.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll probably reach out and say let's meditate together. Yeah, sure,
• 58:27
  that's what I'll do, so I'm accountable too. Yeah, because yeah,
• 58:29
  it's I.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I've always been grateful for our friendship.
• 58:35
  I've been grateful knowing that I have a friend who's
• 58:37
  as spiritual as you are and enjoys the conversations of
• 58:40
  spirituality because it allows you push me and you inspire me,
• 58:47
  and I'm grateful for this friendship.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Well you're the same man. I feel like the way
• 58:51
  you've opened up today, and this is what i'd like.
• 58:54
  This is what I try and do on this podcast.
• 58:56
  Everyone who's been listening to watching, For me, I like
• 59:00
  learning about the full human. So when I sit down
• 59:02
  with someone, I'm not seeing them as an athlete or
• 59:06
  a manager, or an artist, or I'm seeing you as
• 59:11
  a complete spiritual being. And I want to hear that story.
• 59:16
  So when you're listening to this, whoever's listening to watching,
• 59:19
  listen to that story with every one of our episodes,
• 59:22
  and this one included as well, because it's so easy
• 59:25
  to listen to interviews these days, and people pick out
• 59:28
  the one little thing and then that becomes the meme
• 59:32
  and the whatever it is, and it's like, but you
• 59:34
  miss the point of the whole conversation. Like again, what
• 59:37
  we've been encouraging for our own selves as well, just is,
• 59:40
  if you don't give someone else the permission to have context,
• 59:44
  we are blocking ourselves from having context of our own self. Yeah,
• 59:48
  and that's the biggest thing I've learned from today hearing
• 59:50
  you say it, which reaffirms my belief of the understanding
• 59:53
  that if you're not giving someone a chance to explain, express,
• 59:58
  be curious, make mistakes, then you're basically blocking yourself from
• 1:00:02
  doing the same thing.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I agreed.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: And the more permission you give everyone to do that.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: The more you give you permission to say, what was
• 1:00:08
  my role?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I love that what was my role is?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Because I think that's where it starts.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: If you can forgive yourself for something you might not
• 1:00:15
  even recognize, then it's much easier. You asked me what
• 1:00:19
  happened earlier, and I was thinking about that just now,
• 1:00:22
  like you know, is there a specific thing that happened?
• 1:00:25
  You know what happened my wife, Yale and my children.
• 1:00:29
  I learned I love somebody more than me, and loving
• 1:00:34
  them made me go do the work. So what happened
• 1:00:38
  is they were the greatest gift in my life and
• 1:00:42
  for that, I'm internally grateful. And I want each of
• 1:00:45
  them to have their own individual process and their own
• 1:00:47
  individual journey, you know.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: And I want them to know that I love them.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: And they're messy, you know, and and and I'm just
• 1:00:58
  grateful for them.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: I love that, man, and I'm so grateful to you.
• 1:01:03
  I want to say it back to you because you know,
• 1:01:05
  when I've gone through my tough times, you really get
• 1:01:08
  to see whose shows up for you, especially when they're
• 1:01:12
  a newer friend or someone you're just getting to know,
• 1:01:15
  and when you've stuck by me and supported me, not
• 1:01:18
  in a we've never had a relationship. It's not just
• 1:01:21
  like oh yeah, yeah, we're boys. Like it's not like that.
• 1:01:24
  It's let's look in the mirror. What work have you
• 1:01:27
  got to do? What do you need to work on?
• 1:01:29
  What where are you? What is your role in this?
• 1:01:32
  Like that friendship I think is so special, and then
• 1:01:34
  feeling support from that again, loving your friends through growth,
• 1:01:38
  loving yourself through growth, making sure that you know you
• 1:01:41
  need to change, but you love someone through that change. Scooter.
• 1:01:45
  We end every interview with the final five, which are
• 1:01:47
  the rapid fire fast five questions. So you have to
• 1:01:50
  answer in one word or one sentence maximum. I am
• 1:01:53
  judging you on you if you talk to you, and
• 1:01:55
  I will ask I will ask you to expand when
• 1:01:58
  I get intrigued. All right, So starting with your first question,
• 1:02:02
  you're ready, all right? The first question is what's the
• 1:02:04
  best advice you've ever received?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: David Geffen told me that. Well, first, it's loved more.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: But really what comes to my a is David Geffen
• 1:02:14
  told me that in a hundred if you don't know
• 1:02:15
  who he is, look him up. He said, in a
• 1:02:17
  hundred years, no one's going to remember me, so they
• 1:02:19
  sure as hell won't remember.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: You don't have an ego. And really I loved it.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: That is great piece of advice. All right. Second question,
• 1:02:25
  what's the worst piece of advice you've ever received?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I think as a kid, you're told it's your fault
• 1:02:30
  and you start to believe, Oh, I'm a bad kid.
• 1:02:32
  I deserve that, And I think that was the wrong advice.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Beautiful man.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: All right. Number three, something that you are pretty sure
• 1:02:42
  and confident about, but other people don't quite wrap their
• 1:02:44
  head around yet.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: That bitcoin will eventually be worth five hundred thousand.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Oh do you think he's going.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: To I think long term.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, I believe in bitcoin long term, and there's a
• 1:02:57
  lot of people who don't believe in it.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: But I believe in bitcoin long term.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Well we didn't even talk about that
• 1:03:03
  bitcoin followers, which I don't think I have a lot of,
• 1:03:06
  so we'll figure it out, all right.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: We could talk any business, which is a lot of
• 1:03:10
  fun for me. Yeah, we didn't talk any business.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: Because that's not my thing.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Also, and also, look, you know this, ninety percent of
• 1:03:16
  what I do in business people don't even know, which
• 1:03:17
  is the way I like it, so let's keep going.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Well, No, for me, it was just the reason why
• 1:03:23
  we didn't talk about business is because when I started
• 1:03:26
  the podcast, it was all about what can I talk
• 1:03:28
  to people about that no one else can do.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: It's also you and I don't have that relationship, no
• 1:03:32
  should we. Yeah, we have a real relationship. It's not
• 1:03:34
  about business. It's about the person in front of you totally.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: And also, just like you, you're prolific. You can talk
• 1:03:40
  about so many different things in so many different places.
• 1:03:42
  But this we're going to talk about it. Like you know,
• 1:03:44
  this is also.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Fun for me because you have treated me the way
• 1:03:49
  I actually want to treat myself like I told you
• 1:03:50
  about the chessboard, of raising my head up and saying hi,
• 1:03:53
  nice to meet you.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: I'm good at this.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: And I remember one time you called me and you said, hey,
• 1:03:56
  I don't want to overask, but like we're friends, and
• 1:04:01
  you know, I'm trying to think about investing if you
• 1:04:02
  have any advice ever, And that was great because I
• 1:04:05
  love that. I want to be able to help a
• 1:04:07
  friend and if I'm good at something, I want to
• 1:04:09
  be able to offer that. But you've always looked across
• 1:04:11
  the table and said Hi, I'm Jay, Hi Scott, Scooter,
• 1:04:14
  you know, nice to meet you, Like let's be friends.
• 1:04:16
  And that's why I love this conversation. But sorry, go
• 1:04:18
  back to rap fire.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: No, no, no too, Yeah this is the worst rapid fire. Yeah. Good,
• 1:04:24
  All right, last two questions four and five. Oh now
• 1:04:29
  now I'm like, I've got two questions left for you.
• 1:04:31
  What do I ask you? I know what the fifth
• 1:04:32
  one is.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have three more because I've done a poor
• 1:04:35
  job with the other one.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: No, no, if you can go good, No, you're back to
• 1:04:37
  give them beautiful answers. I we got distracted of the
• 1:04:40
  last one. Number four, something you once chased and no longer.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Care about recognition.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: And fifth and final question, if you could create one
• 1:04:49
  law that everyone in the world had to follow, what
• 1:04:52
  would it be? Love more beautiful Scooter brun Thank you man,
• 1:04:57
  Thank you so special. This is this goes down as
• 1:05:00
  one of the most beautiful open conversations.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Well let's end it, right, Scott, Scooter Bronx. Now you
• 1:05:05
  know all of me, buddy.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: So now I call you Scott from now.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Tell me Scott Scooter whatever we want. But now it's yeah,
• 1:05:11
  all of me is here. I got to tell you,
• 1:05:15
  I'm so grateful we did this, and I'm so grateful
• 1:05:17
  for your friendship, and I'm just proud of you as
• 1:05:20
  a friend for the message you delivered to the world.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: Thank you man. And I'm proud of you for having
• 1:05:24
  the courage to always be open and vulnerable and honest
• 1:05:27
  and live your truth and for doing the work when
• 1:05:31
  externally you don't need to. You know, that's the hardest part,
• 1:05:34
  when actually, like you said, you could convince yourself to
• 1:05:37
  not do the work because things.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Are good or if we're breathing, it means we got
• 1:05:41
  work to do. Absolutely, Thank you man, Thank you, thank
• 1:05:44
  you so everybody.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: That's awesome. Man. If you want even more videos just
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