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JFK Assassination - Ep. 268 - The Martin Wrap-Up Show · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  And here we go. This is a set around free crazy to it.
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  You we go, Here we go. What's up? Everybody? Welcome to
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  the show. Despite the man obviously not wanting us to do a show today,
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  we are here, We are live. This is episode number two hundred
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  and sixty eight, and Samuel Hades is going on here so we might recognize
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  Joe has a weird background. That's because he is deep undercover on assignment.
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  Welcome to the show. Joe, tell everybody where you're hat, buddy.
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  I am, well. I wish I could tell people where I'm at,
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  but I will give people a hint. I am visiting family like John T.
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  Martin was, and I am in the state that had JM wave in
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  it. Let's put it that way. And it's cold. So you're in
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  Minnesota, no Florida. Oh we just gave it, just gave it away.
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  Yeah, you're no name key doing a little investigation on Jerry. Yeah,
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  I actually have one of those metal detectors. I'm going through to see
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  if I could find any remnants. So cool, my friend, A little
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  bit of grenade shrapnel maybe if you're lucky when the beach choking. But how
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  are you today? Happy? New Year's Happy, Happy, Happy New Year's
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  everybody, last show of twenty twenty three, last show about the Martins.
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  As I'm sure all of you are, we're quite tuckered out on the Martin
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  thing as well, but we wanted to see it to its reasonable conclusions.
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  It's been six weeks since our Lancer presentation went live, and we spent six
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  weeks on this here on YouTube and the past probably close to two years research
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  and all this stuff. So we realize that it is a little bit confusing,
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  and some people have asked for kind of a recap wrap up show just
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  to kind of clarify everything and everybody and really what we think about all this.
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  So that is the meaning for this here show today. So without further
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  adieux croissant, Joe, Yes, can I do one thing first? I
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  want to thank my brother for this amazing chazz palmonary shirt from one of my
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  favorite movies, The Bronx Tail, And h're just going to show everybody your
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  hog here for a second. No, but if you want to see,
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  if you really want to see the Joey folk scar, the one that is
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  a shark bite that goes up my whole arm, I will, but it's
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  Okay, we can get into it. We see much different than a home.
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  Yes, okay, well get me one second there, sir. Ah
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  Scott must have been our one hoodie sale so far. Joe, Oh yeah,
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  he's chilling in his lee and Jack Morning Zoo hoodie. So that's beautiful.
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  I love that beautiful And remind you people about the January fourth discount please
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  Gum and Podcast. If you will, Hi, Roger. Yea. If
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  So twenty four percent is almost twenty five percent either way. It's a hell
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  of a good deal. So just hold off until the third and then you
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  have until the seventh to get twenty four percent off in our merch store link
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  in the description. Yes, sir, and that is when I will be
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  ordering my hood and still waiting on the Christmas present, Rob. But I
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  did send you my address only a couple of days ago. So but it
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  did not come by Christmas like I predicted. Yeah, you're waiting for the
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  fourth or third I get it. Yeah, I'm waiting for the discount.
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  So hey, I don't blame it there. So this has been our kind
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  of graphic. We're gonna go into the mark. Yeah, that's a lot,
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  right. Oh, look all Martin's and I guess I'll start with the
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  couple. If you notice, almost everything on the left is John, which
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  is kind of interesting because it is obviously this is a podcast dedicated to John
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  Kennedy. So the lone exception there is Suggs, who also had a John
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  Martin alias Bishop John Martin alias both in Kentucky and a Colonel Jack Martin alias
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  that was in New Orleans. So you can continue all. Oh, I'm
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  sorry, I was answering our lovely, lovely listeners. Our listeners come first.
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  So where am I at here? John C? Yes? So John
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  C. Martin was the chief of security at the International Trademark in the mid
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  to late sixties. He may have had some overlap there with Clay Shaw when
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  he was the head of the trademark. And it's interesting that there is a
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  John Martin president in such a high position at the trademark at that time.
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  What does it the mean? I have no idea, but I do know
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  that he has one handsome, handsome fellow desly needs the haircut. Yeah,
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  I think he desperately needed a lot of things. And I think you said,
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  I don't think he lived that much longer after just based on his looks.
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  I thought that was funny and I agree. Next, as the two
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  aliases of Genio Martinez, the J Martin JP and J Martin alias, says
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  that he that the FBI suspected he had although he was he had a known
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  Jay Martin aliot. H Yeah, whatever Claude is saying, I'm low on
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  my mic can everybody hear me? Okay, I can hear you. I
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  can hear you. Get down on the get down on his microphone a little
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  bit more when I'm speaking me too. So next up is John T.
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  Martin, who we did a whole show on. Uh. Basically he was
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  the longest one. Yeah. He was the student who managed to film not
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  only a visit to General Walker's house, what a trip to Texas, a
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  visit to General Walker's house, and also an encounter with Lee, Harvey Oswald
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  in New Orleans, all on the same role of film. Now, this
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  is probably, at least for me, one of the our top Martins,
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  because yes, it kind of alludes to some astronomical odds that are probably in
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  the gazillions to one. You know, what are the odds of this happening
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  organically on the same role of film where somebody captures before the assassination a visit
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  to General Walker's house and then goes to New Orleans to film the guy who
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  allegedly shot at General Walker a few months previous. To me, those are
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  astronomical odds. Could it be a coincidence, Yeah, it could be,
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  but man, that's an awfully big coincidence, especially when we're talking about this
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  case in particular because he's a ghost. Yeah, and you know, we
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  have still been searching for this guy, and we did come across some new
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  information and we possibly possibly might have a way to get to this guy.
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  But he is a ghost, folks. And this is for multiple, multiple
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  private investigators, websites, you name it. I mean, we've tried it
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  all and we're still working on it. We're not going to give up until
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  we find this guy. Yes, because he has some very important questions to
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  answer. Joey, Yes he does. And although those are a recap of
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  the march In show, this is not the end of our march In journey.
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  There are many paths that we are going down. We are getting help
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  from some very reputable researcher and uh there will be some follow up episodes and
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  we are working on finding this guy. And I think we got the furthest
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  then compared to anyone else in terms of finding him. But just to move
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  on to John Martin Jr. Because we have a graphic of him later as
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  well. John Martin Jr. Was the postal worker who was also ironically from
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  Minnesota. But there is no family connection that we found and I looked through
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  and I wanted it there to be through through ancestry, but there was not.
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  And then of course you have Johnny slash On Martin. He used both
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  names. He was the odio visitor that got it in with so Rita and
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  I think that this was take This might have been take one of trying to
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  infiltrate the audios and and their money. Their family was very wealthy. Whether
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  it was related to the leader visit that is so famous is I don't know,
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  but it's just a very interesting character and a very shady character for sure.
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  So you can take the next roun Well, I don't want the next
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  one, Okay, I'll do it previous. John L. Martin Jr.
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  What so you took two instead of one? Last time? I was just
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  on a roll. You screwed up the order of things. Okay, go
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  on one on one. Okay, that's a great hauling out song. By
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  the way, what what for your time, Bud? Yes? John L.
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  Martin Jr. He was a brigadier general. That's all I know.
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  Go ahead to next. Yes, and uh, the John J. Martin
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  who was the Deputy Director of the CIA for a short time during the Nixon
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  era, acting acting acting Deputy Director. Yes, and also had some NASA
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  connections. And we don't know much about him either. He's very very mysterious.
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  Yes, mixed up. John Martin Thorne, of course, was the
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  shooter of porn and Marina's lawyer during her Warren Commission testimony and during the was
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  it what's that hotel in DC? Willard? The Willard? Yes? He
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  was also filming things at the Willard, Yes, and making a lot of
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  calls. His call their call list is actually available. It's something in New
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  York. It's it's it's interesting, but not anything that would stand out or
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  that did to me. But next you have Jean Martin, which is of
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  course Jean in English from French, and that was the alias of pure Lafitte.
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  I was waiting for the where's uh, where's the sound by we when
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  you need it? And he is obviously the subject of the book Coup in
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  Dallas, which is a very hot topic among the community these days. So
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  yes, the next, yep, we have John B. Martin, not
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  to be confused with John B. The White R and B singer from the
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  nineties who Joe probably doesn't remember either. He was a CIA propaganda Mockingbird author
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  h back then, writing writing books about politics and the Caribbean era area of
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  things down there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I had a
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  role to play in the coup of the Dominican Republic, I believe in nineteen
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  sixty three. But next is mister John Martin, who is the working contact
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  that McCall said he had. We know very little about this guy too,
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  but if he was if McCord was reported to him, McCord was pretty high
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  up. This guy was even higher. So that's what she said. You
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  know, fun fact about McCord that he was running a high end call girl
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  service out of his private office there in Rockville after he left to see in
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  the seventies. Thank you, Johnny Boy for the super chat my friend.
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  Thank you, John. Yeah, you've been very consistent, so thank you.
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  You are the man, sir. Thank you Graham. We try,
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  we try, and you have a great new year as well. All right.
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  Next up we have John G. Martin and he happened to be the
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  principal at Beauregard Elementary School in New Orleans when Oswald went there. He was
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  also very forthcoming to the FBI agents. They're visiting him in New Orleans to
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  turn over any records that he had of Lee Harvey Oswald when he was going
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  to Beauregard. Yeah, very interesting coincidence there. I'll take two just because
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  Jack Martin, Jack Martin we already discussed, was an alias of Suggs and
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  Jack W. Martin. Who is he again, Robert, I don't even
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  remember he called someone. No, this was the guy who see even we
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  are perfect. The Secret Service was going after Oswald was arrested. Uh,
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  they dispatched an Asian from New Orleans to track down Jack W. Martin uh
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  in Louisiana. And this is all prior to Oswald's arrest. When it's just
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  it just seems a little odd to me, Joe, that the Secret Service
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  is after somebody named Jack Martin in Louisiana before Oswald's even arrested. Yes,
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  very very shortly, did very sussige. Did they put out an actual ATV
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  on him? Was that in the document? I think they might. Did
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  they put out an AB on him? No, they just sent Agent Rice
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  after him. Okay, they dispatched Rice from New Orleans some three hours away
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  to find this guy and track him down, and it turned out nothing to
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  see here, folks, type of thing. Nothing to see here. Yeah,
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  yeah, before Oswalt was arrested. Yes, as you mentioned, So
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  go ahead and take the next one since I kind of stole that one from
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  you. Yeah, that would be James W. Martin of the International Trademarked.
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  This was the guy we went into a little bit on one of our
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  previous episodes and he ran the port for the city of New Orleans for the
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  International Trademark and we implied that, yeah, to do that, and going
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  back to World War Two when our government used the mafia to secure the ports
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  that you would need some connection to be able to have that role. Yes,
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  what's up? Damien in the UK aquose to Pall and Mike. How
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  are Yeah? Sorry, that's an Australian accent. I screwed that totally up,
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  but I aggress Next up, James Herbert Martin was Marina's babysitter, agent,
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  business associate, business agent, representative, whatever you want to call the
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  guy. He is suspect in our eyes. This is another major player in
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  our list of Martins who, upon digging a little further on, we stumbled
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  across all kinds of crazy information, including the fact that he orchestrated Marina coming
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  to the Six Flags Hotel. He was responsible for moving Marina and her kids
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  into his house. They had a direct line to White House Communications installed in
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  their house. That's another avenue we're running down. They possibly were on the
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  s S mads Dam and followed the Oswalds back to America when they left Russia.
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  All kinds of very suspect things going on with the James Herbert Martin family.
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  And we'll get to his YEP, there's a graphic of him of him
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  In and Wanda who is the next one, and a little later we could
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  talk about that, So I'll just move on to Jim Martin, who was
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  present at the famous meeting at Ruby's house on the night of November twenty fourth,
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  eighteen sixty three. He was Ruby's lawyer for a little while and also
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  Senator's lawyer his roommate George Senator of course. Yes, Next up, El
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  Joseph Martin, also known as Lewis McWillie. He's one of the one of
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  the ones we focused on in the Lucky Martin segment because of his association with
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  the the mafia and his gun running and Cuban casino dealings. A very interesting
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  character indeed, that Lewis McWillie, a mafia guy, had a Martin alias.
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  Yeah, it's it's weird. Nothing about his name has to do with
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  Martin, So how did he come up with this alias that happened to be
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  an alias of a lot of people associated with, you know, the greatest
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  agency ever. Next we have Billy Joe Martin, the DPD comp who was
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  to the back left of JFK's mortarcade, and we had a comment in the
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  section that it was a hard guess that had blood on but Billy Joe did
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  as well on his helmet and on his uniform, so S wanted clear that
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  up. Thank you Paul for the super chat. Thank you, my friend,
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  Thank you. This has been a great series. We think so too.
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  Sadly we're seeing it come to a good conclusion here. But like Joe
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  mentioned earlier, this is not the end of the Martin's Deep Dive. It
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  is just going to be the end for a hot minute while we move on
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  to explore other things. And we'll still be working on this in the background
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  and keep you updated on any major movings in this area. All right,
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  So next up we have Joseph James Martin, a CIA agent in the nineteen
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  fifties who was possibly confused with the Jack s Martin Edward Suggs in New Orleans,
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  and the CIA did an internal investigation and concluded that they were not the
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  same people other than the fact that they were both alcoholics and had sweet,
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  pencil thin mustaches. Yeah, that is that's an interesting one because the dates,
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  you know, the dates on these documents of their employment is never accurate,
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  right, especially the end date. So who knows, and of course
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  Joe, Jolly Martin me no I'm just kidding. We did an episode on
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  him, Rob, It's a great story. I urge you to check that
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  out if you want to get his full story. Yes. Next up,
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  we have a Jorge Martin Salazar who actually owned the house on Harlandale where a
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  lot of these Cuban exiles would meet up, and it's alleged that Oswald made
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  a few visits there as well prior to the assassination. So it was definitely
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  under surveillance by the DPD Intelligence unit and a very interesting branch of the tree
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  for sure, definitely. And the next one is kind of random that we
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  found while searching as Jose Leon Martin fully said that right, and he was
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  part of Cuban intelligence, I believe in Mexico City, Rob and uh,
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  I believe they tried to turn him. I'm not sure about that, but
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  either way, another Jay Martin involved in the story, Senior, and we
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  get Now let's get to the places. Although I don't know who put this
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  lit two of them. My golly, yeah, that's terrible. Huh.
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  Martin's Cafe in New Orleans, which we have a graphic we've showed and we'll
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  show again, and that's where Oswald cashes checks in New Orleans while he was
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  working at the Rally Coffee Company, and it was ran by If you look
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  a couple of names down Roland. J. Martin was the was the owner
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  of the Martins Cafe and his family and Oswaldould frequently lunch there and he got
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  his checked character there. Like I said, so interesting yep. And Martin's
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  tavern, which we've talked about before. So where dcor is in DC,
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  and it's where JFK proposed to Jackie and also wrote his inaugural speech. And
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  there are booths. We have some images. We've shown them and I think
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  we're gonna show them again. So we already talked about Roland, So why
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  don't you do Edward. Edward J. Martin is the alias of James McCord
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  Watergate Burglar, among whom three or four of them had Martin alias is coming
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  from a John Martin who worked at the Department of Justice. So very interesting.
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  Do the next one too, because you found that one as well.
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  Information there. It just came across a Reverend W. J. Martin,
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  who happened to be Henry Wade's pastor, and for some reason he was questioned
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  during his question at the Warrant Commission about his church and his pastor. I
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  don't know why. It's kind of weird if he asked me. But whatever,
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  he counts as to Jay Martin associated with the assassination in some form or
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  fashion. So there you go. And someone that was definitely or I think
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  was very likely involved in the payment part of the assassination, if you will,
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  and that is John Martine. Oh and he was, you know,
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  a mobster, santo traficante associate. He ran, He was in Cuba.
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  He was imprisoned because he was he was working casinos, was a he used
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  to rag slot machines and other games. And he wrote a book, I
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  Am Cash Shorts Prisoner. It's a very good book. Actually, I got
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  a first edition edition copy somehow and it's a good read. So a very
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  interesting character. We've talked about him before and his telling his kid to stay
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  home from school and all that good stuff and to let him know if anything
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  happened. So let's move on, shall we. Oh, breaking news Joe
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  before we get into our next little segment here. Yeah, Meansworth passed away.
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  Oh wow, recently. I don't know exactly when. I think it
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  was a little bit before Christmas. But my buddy of mine on Facebook,
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  let me know who's a Dallas native. I think Viele phrase your post about
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  it as well. So Hugh ain't its worth passes away at the ripe old
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  age of ninety couple, so he had a good long life, yeah,
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  even though he was a what are your thoughts on er? Yeah, well,
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  you know, I'm not one to dance on people's graves like some other
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  people out there, So you know, I'm not gonna speak ill of the
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  dead other than the fact that you know, he's part of the story.
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  He was a Dallas native, he's an you know, he was an integral
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  part of reporting and writing on a lot of the aspects of the assassination,
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  even if he wasn't a conspiracy believer. So rest in peace, Hugh,
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  Yes, even if you were a mockingbird, rest in peace. Yes,
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  all right. So we have a cool A few new graphics are cool.
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  Some graphics to kind of tie things up here and in order. You know,
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  we had talked about where the Martin alias ranked in This is actually the
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  twenty ten census. It was number twenty. One of our followers said was
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  number sixteen. Maybe it was in nineteen sixty three. Either way, Robins
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  has pointed out how that name is the perfect mill of the Line name to
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  have an alias. So anything you want to add to this, Rob,
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  not to that, but to what we were just talking about. Scott says,
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  did you get Robert Moore's story a couple of days ago about Marina with
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  the agent and Ainsworth a Marina sex tape and audio surveillance, the transcripts of
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  which have been buried? No, we have not, So drop a link
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  I got. I got to email this in the middle, like in the
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  last twenty four hours from some guy I don't even know, with links to
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  this. Yeah, Robert, somebody sends you a boy a link. Yeah,
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  and it's I haven't ready yet because I've been traveling. But uh,
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  that should be very interesting. Maybe maybe a follow up episode worthy if it's
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  if it has cool stuff in it. Yeah, but again, remember the
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  source, folks, h Robert more isn't the exactly the most credible of sources.
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  So we'll we'll do some checking into it and see what we can find.
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  Sure, So I'm just going to run through quickly the episodes that we
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  have done. We obviously did one on the first one on Jack s.
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  Martin, who who had four Martin aliases, King Martins, yes, one
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  of the first ones, and then John Thomas Martin of course, who was
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  one of our I don't want to say favorite. Yeah, but we were
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  able to nail down exactly who he was. But he's a ghost, and
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  we are working on getting the original tape from first generation research researcher the only
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  person alive to have seen him, allegedly Gary Schoener, and we are having
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  another researcher try to go help find the tape, so that is something I'm
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  going and also of course trying to eventually find him and get a statement from
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  him. You know, yeah, for sure. I think one of the
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  most interesting things with this guy was just kind of scattering the Weisburg archives and
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  finding the correspondence between Harold and Schooner back then, and learning exactly how this
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  little story unfolded in Minnesota, and also to put into some context the the
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  kind of journey that the Martin film has been on, and to determine,
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  you know that the one that's at the sixth floor now is a copy from
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  nineteen seventy seven, which means somebody at the HSCA made a copy of the
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  original and kept the original and gave back to John Thomas Martin a copy that
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  he thought was the original when he gave it to the sixth Floor. And
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  I know that's confusing as hell, but that's why it's so important to try
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  to find a pre nineteen seventy seven copy of this film, because it was
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  either done by the CIA in order to teach them out of this film,
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  or it was done by somebody that just wanted to get their hands on an
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  original film pertaining to the assassination that had ties to the HSCA. So either
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  way, it's highly important that we find the most earliest copy of this film
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  possible, and that's what we're doing. We're still looking. You know,
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  it could turn up anytime and we will do an immediate, the immediate breaking
• 35:00
  show about it if we do. Yes, do you want to tease the
• 35:06
  Alex thing or no? Tease what the Alex thing? Video? No?
• 35:13
  No, I think we might have him on our show here in a little,
• 35:15
  in a little, a little, a little couple few weeks. I
• 35:19
  think that would be neat. I think so too. He's a good guy.
• 35:24
  So back to the presentation. Oh, it's still sharing, Okay,
• 35:36
  So next episode. You know, we covered some Lucky Martin's mcgwilly, some
• 35:50
  DPD cops, the handsome John c on the bottom right, HM, the
• 35:58
  James W. Martin of the Trade mart on the upper left, touchery looking
• 36:04
  guy up the upper left, Lewis McWillie, and then we got the weasel
• 36:08
  Frediano down there in the upper right, pertaining to the John Martin of the
• 36:15
  teamsters who was murdered, and they eventually led to the rise of h who
• 36:30
  is it Joe halfa half a? Yes, So if John Martin had never
• 36:35
  been killed, Halfa probably never would have risen to the position that he was
• 36:38
  in, and they would have probably been somebody else's mafia teamster's legacy. Yeah,
• 36:49
  it's a fascinating, fascinating story of just how that all played out.
• 36:54
  We have take this one wrong. Uh. Yeah, we did a show
• 37:00
  all about Jolly Joe Martin only because there's just so much to unpack with this
• 37:07
  guy, and his story was so elaborate, intriguing and full of nooks and
• 37:15
  crannies. From all these other names that you've heard associated with the assassination,
• 37:21
  like Thomas Beckham, Fred Christman, you know, Jim Garrison, Bill Dauzel,
• 37:30
  William F. Buckley, Ross Buckley, clay Shaw, you name it.
• 37:36
  It's fascinating. We were also able to debunk some of Joan Mellon's research
• 37:46
  into this guy. So yeah, we feel accomplished when we get to do
• 37:52
  stuff like that, take away from these big big names a little bit and
• 37:57
  say, hey, no, no, no, no, no name,
• 38:00
  that's not true, that's not true. True. But he said he was
• 38:04
  never able to go on the air again, he was so traumatized by this
• 38:07
  kidnapping. Well that's not true at all. Just do a little research.
• 38:14
  Yah, it's pretty easy to find that. He went on to have a
• 38:16
  very long career until he passed in nineteen ninety five. So jolly Joe stayed
• 38:22
  jolly. Yeah. He was definitely lucky too. And uh, he was
• 38:29
  definitely doing some shady intelligence stuff, hiding Beckham, h whatever they did when
• 38:37
  they kidnapped him just crazy. And yes he is on this guy, yeah,
• 38:46
  to say the least. And uh and uh yeah that was a that
• 38:51
  was a fun episode too. So then we did, of course the Watergate
• 38:53
  Martins about McCord, Guenio Martinez, Frank Sturt, just all having j Martin
• 39:01
  aliases and it was McCord who said it was given to him. Oh no,
• 39:10
  McCord said his boss was mister John Martin. And also the alias was
• 39:16
  given to him, the physical alias by I Howard Hunt right. Yes,
• 39:22
  correct. So that was a great episode and kind of interesting that all these
• 39:29
  characters, they were very active in nineteen sixty three, very active, and
• 39:37
  they're still showing up, you know, in the seventies with the same alias,
• 39:44
  and it's just it just ties it all together. And you'll see why
• 39:50
  in the next few slides. Anything you wanted to add up. Yep,
• 39:58
  cool, This is my favorite, my favorite, mister James Herbert Martin.
• 40:07
  Now we did a great episode on him. I think we properly are the
• 40:14
  world's foremost expert experts on James Heber Barton. I'm not sure what that says
• 40:19
  about us, but this is a very interesting guy. We went into detail
• 40:27
  in the episode. You know, was he a great opportunist with great connections
• 40:31
  or was he something more? And then of course we went into his wife
• 40:37
  and and John Martin Thorne and possibly the mas damn that Rob found. So
• 40:49
  I'll let you finished off that. Your thoughts on that. Yeah, I
• 40:53
  think this is one of the more interesting and most new relevate relevations revelations that
• 41:04
  we that we kind of came across. And yes, we know that nothing
• 41:08
  is concrete here and we're not saying definitively on you know that these Martins were
• 41:17
  up to anything you know, by the agency, but from what we found,
• 41:23
  it certainly appears. So you know, it'd be one thing to find
• 41:28
  one or two things that kind of point in that general direction. You know,
• 41:31
  when you find twenty okay, Uh, that kind of changes your perspective
• 41:37
  on things. While nothing is concrete. And I know, like no True
• 41:43
  Flags had had some issues about the straight line. He thinks the DPD had
• 41:50
  it installed. You know, it's everything's up for speculation at this point.
• 41:58
  We don't know. It's interesting we have that document without the notation on it,
• 42:05
  or the document had been redacted at some point, and that's what we're
• 42:10
  seeing and then unredacted at some point, which is why we have to see
• 42:15
  that note on the bottom of that surveillance report. From my eyes, it's
• 42:22
  a surveillance report turned into their superiors. Okay. And if I don't know
• 42:30
  why the DPD would notate on a surveillance report of the Martins that they had
• 42:37
  a direct line installed to the White House that I just can't get there from
• 42:42
  here. But again, everything is just it's up for speculation until we find
• 42:47
  some more concrete information. We have some feelers out there to some folks who
• 42:54
  are experts in White House communications and hopefully we get some answers soon and we
• 43:00
  would be more than happy to share them to you when we get them and
• 43:05
  find them. Yeah. Yeah, And we had a very long conversation about
• 43:12
  this, hours long with with mister Larry Hancock and the direct line, the
• 43:21
  federal lease circuit line would have been installed by Bell Telephone. That's the only
• 43:30
  telephone company that was that would have been able to do that in that area,
• 43:36
  is what we were told. And it seems like someone in the Criminal
• 43:42
  Intelligence Division of the DPD made that notation and after maybe as a cya type
• 43:50
  of thing, you know, just so they notated that it was there,
• 43:58
  but it wasn't them, because you know, I think it was federal.
• 44:00
  It was going to the White House. This is this is not something that
• 44:05
  a state police department would have been tasked with particularly, so it's very interesting.
• 44:15
  And we even had people trying to pa poo the notion that the Missus
• 44:20
  James H. Martin referred to uh in the c i A documents is not
• 44:25
  Missus James Herbert Martin, is not Wanda L. Hobbes Martin. They think
• 44:34
  it's too good to be true. Mm hmm. But again my answer to
• 44:37
  that is, then why has it for five years been related to as a
• 44:45
  j f K H Records Act document? Yes, Richard Ender c I A.
• 44:54
  Yeah, and it's there's there just so happens to be a James H.
• 44:59
  Martin. This is associated with the JFK case, and that's James Herbert
• 45:02
  Martin, and he did have a wife, Missus James Missus James H.
• 45:07
  Martin, and we found some travel records designating her as that. We found
• 45:14
  CIA documents of relating to her as that, as well as her Christian name,
• 45:22
  you know, Wanda Wanda Martin. So again we've got more feelers out
• 45:29
  into the intelligence community, experts out there and who could possibly shed some more
• 45:35
  light on this whole thing when it comes to these wire intercepts and top secret
• 45:44
  CIA projects and things like that. So when we find something else out,
• 45:50
  we will update you as well. Yes, and I think the word that
• 45:57
  he used exactly was inexplicable I wrote it down. It's just mind blowing that
• 46:08
  that a that would be written down, and that probably Johnson wanted to be
• 46:14
  updated on anything that happened at the Martin home or the other possible circle would
• 46:23
  have been the r of cake party, and those are pretty much two of
• 46:31
  the main options. There's also you know, different intelligence agencies that could have
• 46:37
  gone to the line, but we think one of those two were wanted to
• 46:43
  keep tabs most likely. Yeah, and just because it says White House Communications
• 46:49
  doesn't mean that it was going directly to the White House. It was going
• 46:52
  to a White House communications building in DC twenty five. We think it was
• 46:58
  number twenty five because that's what's written on the document that says Washington twenty five
• 47:04
  COMMA DC. And you know, coming across this blog that was written by
• 47:08
  White House Communications expert and former employee during nineteen sixty three, these buildings are
• 47:15
  numbered. You know, I found various numbers of the buildings from like twenty
• 47:20
  one, forty six, ninety four. So what was building twenty five and
• 47:25
  where was it? And you know, who could have possibly been working there
• 47:30
  or working there undercover? We don't know. So again, as we find
• 47:37
  out some more info. We'll let you know. Yeah, another rabbit hole
• 47:42
  to go down. Yes, we liked the there's things doing this thing,
• 47:51
  all right? So next So that was our James Rupert Martin episode. That
• 47:55
  was our last one, the one we did last week, our talk about
• 48:00
  a couple of Martins that we haven't talked about yet. Quickly before we wrap
• 48:04
  it up. Yes, So when I found this, I was like,
• 48:08
  you got to be kidding me. So I came across the FBI documents for
• 48:16
  the ARB and in the nineties, folks, there was a JFK task Force
• 48:25
  set up by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. As you can see the date
• 48:29
  there in nineteen ninety eight, and this task force was tasked, if you
• 48:37
  will, with reviewing, classifying, and destroying JFK assassination related files. I
• 48:49
  don't know if Joe has the I don't on this, but it will be
• 48:53
  they talk about it will be destroying files. It will be on locals rob
• 48:59
  But yeah, I think you know, her name was attached to people like
• 49:02
  Joe Molina. Uh, she was. We found different document. We found
• 49:09
  several documents who mentioned that mentioned Joan Martin. As you can see, it's
• 49:15
  attention Joan Martin JFK task for his room one one, one for four and
• 49:20
  then at the top of the page it's it's even written there, handwritten.
• 49:23
  Uh, you know, attention Joan Martin. And I've tried to do some
• 49:30
  more digging on this woman and to no avail. So is this another use
• 49:37
  of another another ghost? I don't know, just another weird marching coincidence.
• 49:45
  Maybe there's been I lost count, but I think there's a lot. Of
• 49:50
  course. Uh, mister Pierre Lafitte, we talked about him. He had
• 49:58
  John Martin alias as well, and yeah, that's obviously really a hot topic
• 50:07
  in the community. So we're not really gonna get into that unless Rob wants
• 50:12
  to add anything to it. But another I can think this guy was you
• 50:22
  know this book Who in Dallas that recently came out. It's not the first
• 50:24
  book from Hank Albarelli to mention this guy. I think he also goes back
• 50:31
  to the whole Look, excuse me, look, who are my cursor is?
• 50:43
  I don't see it. Oh the pim Salt Club. I don't know
• 50:50
  it's it's It's in the article. I'm sorry, Okay, So I forget
• 50:57
  what I was saying. So go ahead next to that. I'm sorry,
• 51:00
  but uh no, it just at the end of the article. He returned
• 51:05
  to the US in ninet eighteen sixty seven and took the job at the Plimsaw
• 51:10
  Club under the name of Jean Martin. The government says, so we have
• 51:16
  touched on the Plumsaw Club in previous episodes. There are some interesting connections there,
• 51:24
  all right, right, Rob, you can take this wrongd oh okay,
• 51:32
  j E. Martin. This guy worked at the NASA complex in Michell,
• 51:39
  Louisiana, where many of the employees of Riley Coffee Company and likely other
• 51:46
  people that lived in New Orleans worked. You know when a big when a
• 51:52
  big factory plant like that opens up close to a major city, of course,
• 51:55
  a lot of people are going to try to get a job there is
• 52:00
  It's a government job that pays well with benefits. Dante Marysheny is interesting though.
• 52:07
  This fellow also used to work at the Riley Coffee Company and he was
• 52:14
  also we have surveillance reports that he would sometimes spend the night with David Ferry
• 52:22
  at his residence and he wasn't very happy with his non rising up the ladder
• 52:32
  at the Michell complex for NASA. Uh so he kept on filing grievances and
• 52:39
  complaints until he finally got all the way up to jay E Martin. We
• 52:45
  don't know his first name. I'm assuming it's John or Jack or Joe,
• 52:52
  but this is where you know he was. He took it all the way
• 52:55
  to the top to Martin and they told him, look, we're not going
• 53:01
  to give you a promotion. Basically, if you don't like it, you
• 53:06
  can leave. There's a door type of thing. But just because of the
• 53:10
  fact that you know this happened in sixty five and he was a former employee
• 53:20
  of the Riley Coffee Company, he had relations with David Ferry that he counts
• 53:24
  and should be included in the Martin Expanded Extended Universe. So there's Jaye Martin
• 53:34
  for you. Just like the universe and Martin's, they just keep expanding.
• 53:42
  Of course, you have seen this graphic before. This says Martin's Restaurant owned
• 53:49
  by Roland Martin, where Lee Oswald, well cash just checks. We've gone
• 53:53
  to this, so we're not going to waste more time, I'm int,
• 53:57
  but we just wanted to show this because there's a a lot of Martin coincidences
• 54:01
  like this one. Yes, the Martins Tavern in DC. This is in
• 54:08
  Georgetown and DC, and they have a couple of cool booths here at the
• 54:14
  Martin's Tavern, and one is the booth in which he wrote his inaugural speech
• 54:20
  in nineteen sixty one I believe it was sixty or sixty one. And then
• 54:25
  also there's a booth in Martin's tavern where he proposed to Jackie Jacqueline Bouvier at
• 54:37
  the time. And of course many other presidents have visited here and have different
• 54:44
  booths as well. They have different things on the menu. So just again
• 54:50
  another crazy coincidence that JFK had ties to the Martins tavern in DC and Georgetown,
• 54:57
  and some of the most important times of his life happened here inside of
• 55:02
  this tavern. YEP, just another Martin coincidence. So what are we to
• 55:15
  make of all this Martin coincidences and all these Martins and all these j Martins.
• 55:27
  Do you want to go first? The short answer is I have no
• 55:34
  effing idea. The long answer is, I think the conspiratorial mind can definitely
• 55:45
  say, hey, there's way too many Martins here to be a coincidence.
• 55:50
  Something's going on. There's some definite fuquy going on around here. So what's
• 55:54
  what agency is behind this, what agency uses aliases, what agency likes to
• 56:00
  confuse, you know? Or you could be in the mind that all right,
• 56:07
  Well, some of these are definitely real people, some of these are
• 56:12
  definitely their real names. But yet so we know some of them are aliases.
• 56:16
  So could it all be a coincidence? Maybe maybe not? You know,
• 56:23
  you have two filmers named John Martin from Minnesota. I mean, is
• 56:30
  this a coincidence? Is this meant to confuse or deceive when people try to
• 56:36
  look into things and figure things out, or is it just one of those
• 56:44
  one in a billion coincidences from a middle of the road twentieth most common surname
• 56:52
  in America. Again, I don't have a definitive answer. You know,
• 56:59
  part of me wants to think that there's something going on. I think when
• 57:00
  you look a little bit deeper, like we did for some of these Martins,
• 57:05
  is there are some very interesting backstories going on here and some very more
• 57:09
  interesting leads to follow and more threads to pull on to try to unravel the
• 57:16
  sweater that is the Kennedy assassination. And that's what we've been trying to do
• 57:22
  and you know, until we have a definitive answer one way or the other
• 57:29
  on some of these, you know we're gonna keep pulling. Joe, what
• 57:34
  do you think about all these Martins? What do you make out of all
• 57:36
  this? I agree with your short answer. I don't f and know Jesus
• 57:45
  like there are. It seems that there are too many coincidences involving the name
• 57:54
  Martin to be a coincidence. Too many Martins, too many references to Martin's
• 58:01
  I think there was something sinister going on with this alias. I think that
• 58:07
  maybe it was noticed that Martin's name came up a few times, so maybe
• 58:15
  let's use that as an alias. Maybe it was meant to troll jave Pain
• 58:22
  a sense. We showed you the list. Half the list is named John.
• 58:27
  The aliases, they are all connected. Most of them are connected to
• 58:35
  the agency I think Rob was referring to. That would be the CIA.
• 58:40
  They all had some type of ties there, whether it was before or after.
• 58:45
  And yeah, this journey has been really interesting and we've gone down some
• 58:51
  paths that not a lot of people have. And you know what to make
• 58:57
  of all this? I'm not sure. So this is the quote we finished
• 59:01
  our Lancer presentation with it's from Richard Paul Evans, I believe in New York
• 59:08
  Times best selling writer right Ron, Yeah, sometimes a coincidence is no coincidence
• 59:16
  at all, but a purposeful action and disguise. Yeah, we thought that
• 59:22
  was a really cool quote. They kind of summed up this whole Martin thing
• 59:27
  for us. You know, is is it crazy that half of these people
• 59:34
  are named John? No, John is the most common first name in America,
• 59:39
  so it wouldn't make sense that the majority of these Jay Martin's are named
• 59:45
  John or Jack or Joe. But again, is it a coincidence or is
• 59:53
  it a purposeful action in disguise? Killer? I go with the letter if
• 1:00:04
  I if I had to guess coincidence or action and disguise, I think,
• 1:00:10
  what what we've found, what we spent a long long time researching. Uh
• 1:00:19
  points me in that direction for sure. When when you look into people and
• 1:00:27
  that were named Martin, that had significant roles, like Marina's lawyer, like
• 1:00:31
  the person Marina moved in with, James Herbert Martin, Jack Martin blew the
• 1:00:37
  whistle on the whole New Orleans thing. There's they played crucial roles. A
• 1:00:43
  lot of them have Why are they looking for Jack Martin the day of the
• 1:00:46
  assassination before they catch Lee Harvey Oswald? You know that's a red flag for
• 1:00:52
  me. Yeah, for sure. So there's a lot of red flags.
• 1:01:00
  Hm. You have all these Martins is and it's just a giant wilderness of
• 1:01:07
  mirrors to quote James Haleton when it when it comes to the this stuff,
• 1:01:15
  there's a lot. There's a lot and a lot of aliases by very suss
• 1:01:22
  people using the name Martin. Yeah. Ties to the c I A yes,
• 1:01:29
  So that was the agency that mainly used kryptonyms and aliases. Right,
• 1:01:36
  So of course we lay this at their feet more than anybody else. Right.
• 1:01:42
  We know McCord was right. We know uh uh, Joseph James Martin
• 1:01:49
  was uh. We have a document that as Wanda Hobbs Martin uh had an
• 1:01:55
  oral contract Jack Martin and has long been suspected to be part of this CIA,
• 1:02:04
  but it was not per our research and Rob's And you know, you
• 1:02:15
  have people like Lafitte using that alias, McWillie using that alias. These are
• 1:02:20
  very shady people. And Eugenio Martinez U CIA. You know what I mean?
• 1:02:29
  Like at some point there's a trend and it's too obvious Sugnor in my
• 1:02:37
  opinion, Yeah, I think half these guys you could safely say had ties
• 1:02:40
  to the agency in some former fashion, or have been alleged to have ties
• 1:02:44
  to the Agency in some former fashion over the years. Maybe something we can't
• 1:02:49
  prove, like Sturgis or John Martino people like that. But you know a
• 1:02:54
  lot of these other ones we know for sure that they did have ties to
• 1:02:58
  the agency. We have the doctor mus to prove it. So again,
• 1:03:04
  this is a culmination, folks, of two years of deep diving research from
• 1:03:09
  us that we've been working on. It's the reason Joe is now the co
• 1:03:14
  host of this very show, and it's the reason we were asked to present
• 1:03:20
  at Lancer, and it's the reason these last six weeks of shows have been
• 1:03:24
  all about the Martins. And we hopefully cleared up some things on this show
• 1:03:30
  because we do know it's a very confusing topic for sure, And if you
• 1:03:36
  still are confused, go back and watch the entire series again, because you
• 1:03:44
  know if you miss if you miss the show or an episode, you may
• 1:03:46
  have missed something that could be clarified for you. Or just shoot us an
• 1:03:51
  email at the Lone Gumman Podcast at gmail dot com and we'll try to answer
• 1:03:55
  everybody, and we got anything else, Joe, No, I mean,
• 1:04:02
  I'm obviously honored that you offered me to join the Lone Gunman. The Martin
• 1:04:14
  Show and research journey that we've been on has been a very crazy one.
• 1:04:18
  I've enjoyed it. I think it actually we actually contributed to the case because
• 1:04:26
  when future researchers are reading through documents and the name Martin comes up, maybe
• 1:04:31
  a little Tenna comes up in their head, you know, and you just
• 1:04:35
  have that little Suss type of keep an eye out for Martin. Yeah,
• 1:04:44
  send us anything Martin related and yeah, it's it's been great and we have
• 1:04:50
  some exciting new things. Thanks coming down the pipeline for you guys. We
• 1:04:57
  are going to try to be doing unique and uh, you know, I
• 1:05:03
  can't be more excited. Robs the Man and you know made it and Natty
• 1:05:14
  Steve says, we're awesome, But it's you guys that are awesome for showing
• 1:05:18
  up here for us consistently since we've been here on YouTube. I think we've
• 1:05:24
  got a great core group of listeners here, always looking to expand things.
• 1:05:29
  And you know, there may be twenty people here but you know what,
• 1:05:33
  within what a day last week, that last show shot up to over five
• 1:05:39
  hundred views. So, hey, we're doing something good. We're doing something
• 1:05:45
  right, and we appreciate each and every one of you for participating and showing
• 1:05:49
  up here because we like the interaction with you. Guys, ask more questions,
• 1:05:56
  make more comments. We encourage it and know it's cool that we can
• 1:06:00
  do this live and answer you guys live. I mean, that's that's just
• 1:06:06
  cool. And I will give them a little bit of a preview of our
• 1:06:12
  next episode, said Joe, because it is going to be something different than
• 1:06:16
  the Martin shows that we've been doing, just a little bit, a lot
• 1:06:23
  different. It's going to be a lot different. We are going on the
• 1:06:27
  offensive, if you will, and we are going to be striking first towards
• 1:06:38
  another couple of podcasts who may have wronged your Boy and Joe a couple of
• 1:06:48
  months ago while spreading, while spreading a lot, Yes, so they have
• 1:06:55
  earned a show dedicated all to them. I'm your boys, yes, because
• 1:07:02
  when you know that when somebody wrongs me, I don't stay silent about it
• 1:07:12
  for long. And trust me, this deserves a clap back, This deserves
• 1:07:15
  a public tongue lashing, and that is exactly what we're going to be doling
• 1:07:20
  out on the next episode with Proof. With Proof, Yes, so tune
• 1:07:30
  in next weekend for that episode because that one is going to be very contentious,
• 1:07:38
  very exciting, jaw droppingly unbelievable. And make sure you wait until January
• 1:07:45
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  off your entire order. To Joe in closing, do you have anything?
• 1:08:03
  Yes. I want to thank everyone for staying with us too, and uh
• 1:08:11
  for you know, some of our technical difficulties towards the beginning. I think
• 1:08:16
  if you watch the whole series, I'll know we're getting a lot better.
• 1:08:19
  This is very new to us. We want to interact with the people.
• 1:08:24
  You know I'm learning. I want to thank you guys for bearing with me,
• 1:08:29
  and and thank Rob as well, and and we cannot be more excited
• 1:08:35
  for the next show. To add to our point, it's not only about
• 1:08:40
  that they wronged us, It's about that they're a pretty big conspiracy show and
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  they're spreading things like that are ridiculous, Like I'm not I'm not going to
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  say what Yes, you know it's not. It muddies the waters and it
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  pisses me off, right because we are fucking trying to find ship out.
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  Yeah, I'm sorry. And people that just make things up and bread bs
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  and mighty the water is even more just to sensationalize things that get views pissed
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  me off. So this will be a hot episode next week and looking forward
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  to it, and I just want to take you all again and uh yeah,
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  that's it. Follow along on social media at the Loom, coming seven,
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  just about everywhere you can imagine. That's it for me and Joey pissed
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  off Scars Brelli. When Joe's fired up, you know it's gonna be a
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  banger next week, folks. Yeah, I'll take he's gonna whip out his
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  chair parliamentary on the on these on these fools. Uh so stay tuned for
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  that. Make sure you come back next weekend and see us. Until then,
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  it's time to feed the ducks pe phone. Then don't get any story
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  but that don't want by me read them for changing them on saying around the
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  back down, trying to do my boot away from the polls. They don't
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  you wear? Is that she might find your the show well, jes about
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  the original change every week, getting the woody down after week and j where
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  game before a movie in a chapel deil, don't you find your name this
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  show? Don't get name my junior's name of the three Junior, John and
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  Jack. Every new job when Jon jack, it don't go ja ja Jan.
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  So it came my dad the pot in the picture. He will me
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  all tell you I got some choca jos by a job. Happy New Year's
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  everyone, Happy New Year. Happy do you see you next year? Peace?
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  Peace, Hm,