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The World Diva Cup (Madonna Photoshop Meme, Explained) · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Have you confessed today, fran Oh? Have I ever?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm here on like a virgin making my confessions.
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  Speaker 1: I was. But what I mean by that is have
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  Speaker 1: you listened to Confessions Too yet today?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I've streamed my state sanctioned listen of Confessions to
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  Speaker 2: all the way through the twenty twenty sixth album by Madonna,
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  Speaker 2: a fallow up to the two thousand and six album
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  Speaker 2: by Madonna.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a tweet yesterday that was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I can't go twenty four hours without listening to Confessions Too,
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, honey, I'm listening to it like
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  Speaker 1: in full once every two hours.
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  Speaker 2: You're trying to get the streams up. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: The Madonna stans don't have not be I'm I'm well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe listening to it though, well maybe evidently not. Evidently not,
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  Speaker 1: because the Madonna stans really wanted Madonna to hit.
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  Speaker 2: Number one this weekend and she did not.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I saw that she's I think she's going to
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  Speaker 1: be number one on the Billboard Hot one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think pop bass is misreporting that.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's fan far I'm looking shit, it's looking
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  Speaker 2: like she's peaking at number seven. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, don't matter charts unless unless the person
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  Speaker 1: that you stand is at the top of them.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. I was gonna say, Okay, So if Madonna released
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  Speaker 2: her like an overwhelming majority of her album campaign and
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  Speaker 2: marketing through Grinder, who is the pop diva that's going
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  Speaker 2: to do her marketing campaign through Sniffy's.
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  Speaker 1: Zar Larson?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Slater.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't because I think it would be
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  Speaker 1: like Zar Larson. There would be something like you staying
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  Speaker 1: up all night because the Midnight Sun.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I do think. I do think there's a there's a
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  Speaker 1: there's a brand integration there that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Nights on After's version plus pus After Remix totally. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I literally think that there should be a diva that
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  Speaker 2: works with Sniffies. I think it would be fucking sickening.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe currently, currently I'm the diva working with Sniffy's because
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  Speaker 1: I'm newly converted.
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  Speaker 2: Oh are you? I was. I was curious if you
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  Speaker 2: would share with the class and who converted you to
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  Speaker 2: this this program?
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  Speaker 1: Sniffy's my sister in horniness Toronto. Yeah, I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I uh deleted Grinder recently. Because I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: can't be on here anymore because it's like weirdly Grinder
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  Speaker 1: is like the place that you that we kind of
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  Speaker 1: sell to each other is being like, oh, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: for like anonymous hookups. It's so easy, but it's actually
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  Speaker 1: like there's so much back and forth and so much
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  Speaker 1: negotiating on Grinder, and I was not prepared for the
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  Speaker 1: sheer ease and uncomplication of using Sniffy's to acquire casual sects.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and Grinders like spokespeople would like to protest this,
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  Speaker 2: but like Grinder has like undergone a mass like enthitification
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  Speaker 2: that happens with a lot of like tech startups and
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  Speaker 2: app based companies, where like the app becomes so much
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  Speaker 2: less usable because you're so bombarded with apps for little
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  Speaker 2: games about like a wench that's being buried by like gemstones.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now that I'm kind of interested in, and can
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  Speaker 1: I play the wench? Yeah, well, Grinder. It's the thing
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  Speaker 1: with Grinder is you have to pay for a premium
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  Speaker 1: for it to be usable. Otherwise it's like you literally
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  Speaker 1: have to like close the app every time you want
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  Speaker 1: to use it, or you'll be stuck with an ad Sniffy's.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, like, because it's you know, it's not
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  Speaker 1: technically an app. It's a it's a website. It can't
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  Speaker 1: be an app because it allows full nudity, and so
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  Speaker 1: it does have some glitchiness that Grinder does not have,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you pay for premium. But the it's old school,
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  Speaker 1: it's old school, but like the being able to look
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  Speaker 1: at everyone on the map is so nice and just
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  Speaker 1: like people there, it's like, you know, I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get too comfortable here because this is
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  Speaker 1: not a paywalled episode. But like, let's just say that
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  Speaker 1: since I downloaded it on Friday, I have used it
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  Speaker 1: every day to completion and like not to completion, and
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  Speaker 1: there have been people who I have exchanged truly less
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  Speaker 1: than five messages with before they came over, and it
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  Speaker 1: was so nice, incredible.
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  Speaker 2: I also, I mean again, like if subscribed to a
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: Patreon dot com slash like a Virgin where we will
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  Speaker 2: honestly maybe it's talk more about our Sniffy stories in
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  Speaker 2: bonus episodes, but should that become a segment or segment stories?
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  Speaker 1: The Story's corner sponsored by Sniffy's.
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  Speaker 2: Hashtag Sniffy's confessions. But I was gonna say, if you're
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: a non New York listener, we are truly spoiled rotten
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  Speaker 2: with the New York Sniffy's grid. I have used Sniffy's
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  Speaker 2: in so many other cities, and it's like, actually like
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  Speaker 2: pretty bad or like the or at least for you know,
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  Speaker 2: a certain kind of doll of Center diva, a certain
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  Speaker 2: kind of like user, especially a not white user as well.
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  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, it's a little more difficult
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  Speaker 2: to like use the apps in other cities, but like
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  Speaker 2: here in Brooklyn, Here in Brooklyn, Baby, the Sniffy's mecca
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  Speaker 2: of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, It's like when I when I don't
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  Speaker 1: have any filter set, it's like I'm seeing like there's
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  Speaker 1: multiple people in my building who were all Sniffy's.
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  Speaker 3: Your girl, you.
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  Speaker 2: Are telling me, I literally did a gig with Sniffies
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  Speaker 2: and massage out a Sniffy's Premium membership. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: called Sniffy's Plus or something that I.
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  Speaker 1: Did pay the nineteen ninety nine monthly fee because I wanted,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to, I wanted to get the
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  Speaker 1: full experience for my first time using it, exactly. Okay, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the rest is for the paywall versions, but but
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  Speaker 1: one I will say, you know, for the dolls out there.
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  Speaker 1: My experience so far has been I'm not It's not
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  Speaker 1: as like people don't seem to be as selective as
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  Speaker 1: they are on grinder, I think on at all, it's
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  Speaker 1: much more like, oh, you have a cock, you have
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  Speaker 1: a cock, I'll be right there.
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  Speaker 2: You have a cock? Good with me? Literally literally, people
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  Speaker 2: could it's so amazing. Maybe maybe you are.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we need to start like a like a like
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  Speaker 1: a trans glory hole, you know, so it's like gay
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  Speaker 1: guys who like, okay, but I'm not sucking, no no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no no for tran for for for thecocked trans women
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  Speaker 1: to stick their their sheeness through so that so that
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  Speaker 1: gay guys can suck without needing to be disgusted by
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  Speaker 1: seeing that there's a woman there.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's a kind of reverse glory hole. So
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  Speaker 2: you walk up to it kind of it's just kind
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  Speaker 2: of sticking out of it at all times.
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  Speaker 1: Well, actually, what it kind of is is a bait bus.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is.
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  Speaker 1: Well bait. The bait bus was like a porn company
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  Speaker 1: where they would like have like a hot woman band
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  Speaker 1: driving around being like I want to make some money,
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  Speaker 1: and the guy would come in and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: oh it's actually a guy. You have to suck this
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  Speaker 1: dude's cock, and it's like, you know, they were always like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, like twist my arm, as if like it
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  Speaker 1: hadn't been you know, negotiated beforehand, as if they weren't
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  Speaker 1: like fully gay porn stars with waxed assholes.
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  Speaker 2: A babe. A bait bus for hot trennies is something
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  Speaker 2: that needs to happen. Yeah, absolutely needs Also.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I also really like that I introduced the term becocked.
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  Speaker 1: But to the lexicon.
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  Speaker 2: Becocked in the culture, this is a complete, completely unnecessary
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  Speaker 2: not side note because I said the word trenny. I
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: am watching I want to assign for the Virgins to
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: watch the newest episode of Project Runway, which.
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: Debuts the new season had started.
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  Speaker 2: Baby it will debut, I think when this episode comes
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  Speaker 2: out featuring Tyra Banks on the judges panel and her
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  Speaker 2: huge cock and I anyways, I was watching old episodes.
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  Speaker 2: I was showing Daniel his very first episode of Project
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  Speaker 2: but he's never seen it before, and Christian Siriano comes
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  Speaker 2: on the screen and he goes that guy is giving
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  Speaker 2: trans man and I was like absolutely, And then I
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  Speaker 2: got to give Daniel the oral history of Christian Siriano
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  Speaker 2: and how he got famed. He's the most famous winner
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  Speaker 2: of Project Runway and mostly famous for saying the word
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  Speaker 2: trenny over and over over and.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember when played him on SNL.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, eventually he's moved on SNL by a one Amy
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  Speaker 2: Pohler who also said tranny training tranny.
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  Speaker 1: They were saying tranny a lot on.
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  Speaker 2: SAB and then years and years later, Christian Christian Siriano,
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  Speaker 2: I mean in Christian Siriano, who had I think apologized
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  Speaker 2: a few times up to this point, also made I
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: think his most declarative apology to the transgender community on
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  Speaker 2: Janet Mak's podcast, which was on Lena Dunham's podcast network
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  Speaker 2: question Mark.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea that was the thing, or.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe actually no, no, I it was on the network
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  Speaker 2: that Lena Dunnan's podcast is on, and I think anyways,
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: but Christian sirianna, yeah, apologizing to Janet Monk and Jenna
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  Speaker 2: Monk forgave him on behalf of the.
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  Speaker 1: On behalf of the sexuals everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Sexuals everywhere, just the same.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if she actually has the right to
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  Speaker 1: do that, but you.
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  Speaker 2: Know what, but I forgive Christian Siriano. He can say, yeah, he.
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  Speaker 1: Can, he did, he did, and that's well he did.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So waits back to Confessions, and honestly, okay, I
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: like want to know. I want the Virgins to know
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: that we are going to talk about it quite a
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: bit length, but we will be saving quite a lot
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: of conversation about Confessions and the original Confessions album and
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: more in depth track reviews for Confessions too, as well
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  Speaker 2: as some Confessions history, how this Confession's era and the
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  Speaker 2: previous Confessions era fits into other eras of Madonna, all
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  Speaker 2: the references, album history, whatever. We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: that in a bonus episode for Patreon only subscribers Patreon
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: dot com slash like a Virgin. If you become a subscriber,
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: you will get two bonus episodes from us a month
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: at minimum, and one of those this month is a
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  Speaker 2: gorgeous deep dive into the world of Confessions, both Confessions one.
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  Speaker 1: And two, well, Confessions on a Dance Floor and Confessions Too.
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  Speaker 1: To give them their proper government names.
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  Speaker 2: And I Rose. The thing is, before we talk about
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  Speaker 2: on this main feed episode Confessions, what we must must
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  Speaker 2: must discuss is the meme of Madonna circulating right now,
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  Speaker 2: which is that I don't think everyone understands the origin
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  Speaker 2: of this meme and I'm.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering tide into both of our professional history.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so in two thousand and mind you, if you
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  Speaker 2: just google Madonna mime, it might come up, but it's
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  Speaker 2: currently littered all over.
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  Speaker 1: Just just go on Twitter. You will see it within
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  Speaker 1: a single scroll.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is honestly, like I have to you have
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  Speaker 2: to understand that in two thousand and six, this was
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  Speaker 2: at the apex of like really maybe not the apex,
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  Speaker 2: but like still in the middle of what is a
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  Speaker 2: really nasty era of photoshop. Like divas were photoshopped to oblivion.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't matter how hot you were. It really like
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  Speaker 2: like was like so prevalent in the culture. And Madonna,
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  Speaker 2: in promotion for her two thousand and six album Confessions
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  Speaker 2: on a Dance Floor, was on the cover of Out magazine.
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  Speaker 2: It was her first out magazine interview, her first Out
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  Speaker 2: magazine cover.
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  Speaker 1: My God, she finally got the biggest get you can
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  Speaker 1: get as a celebrity a cover of Out magazine truly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the thing is a real diva is going
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  Speaker 2: to do a cover without like that's fucking fierce, really cool.
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  Speaker 1: For her to share. Did one? Yeah, famously got it.
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  Speaker 1: Got a vintage copy for me as a gift. And
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  Speaker 1: in fact, I think I got Ryan the copy of
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  Speaker 1: Out that this Madonna photo is from. I think maybe
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  Speaker 1: for his birthday last year.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: I oh wait, God got you a copy of this?
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: So I got I got him a copy of this,
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  Speaker 1: I believe for a birthday or Christmas or something.
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  Speaker 2: It's a really good gift. I am shocked that you
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  Speaker 2: don't have a copy. I am. It's okay. If you
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  Speaker 2: have not seen this image, go look at it right now,
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: right now while you're listening to this podcast, is very
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  Speaker 2: important that you google Madonna Out Magazine two thousand.
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  Speaker 1: And six, and it's Madonna. So you know, at the time,
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  Speaker 1: she was doing kind of a swoopy seventies bang. She
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  Speaker 1: had this like golden kind of reddish blonde hair.
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  Speaker 2: The hair for the album.
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  Speaker 1: It was so good. And the photo is literally just
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  Speaker 1: her with this swoopy bang covering one of her eyes
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  Speaker 1: looking at the camera and it has become the reason
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  Speaker 1: for the season.
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  Speaker 2: And whoever did this to her was like, hmm, her
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: forehead is too big. Let me help her out and
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: give her some yes, some gender firming banks, some Alexis
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: doctor Alexis Hazen hairline procedure realness, and like physically shrunk
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  Speaker 2: her head. She looks so psycho. She looks like an alien.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually having a bit of trouble fact checking this,
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  Speaker 2: but I as a slight a slight bit of an
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  Speaker 2: Out Magazine her historian. I'm fairly certain that Out Magazine
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  Speaker 2: had to release a public apology for this magazine cover.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not joking. I'm if somebody else can
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  Speaker 2: facture this for me. I've been trying to like look
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  Speaker 2: up for the last two days. I know I read
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I think I originally read that when I
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: was doing some Out Magazine history research back when we
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: worked there. But yeah, they they I believe Out Magazine
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  Speaker 2: had to release an apology because they were so ridiculed
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  Speaker 2: for the photoshop.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but when they didn't pay any of their freelancers.
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  Speaker 1: No public apology.
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  Speaker 2: There, Yes, oh no, absolutely not, never acknowledged. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure that the photoshop artist who did this magazine cover
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  Speaker 2: was never paid.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Well, the photographer was never paid, the photoshopper was never paid.
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  Speaker 1: The person who had to apologize was probably never paid.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, the thing is like, I have loved this magazine
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  Speaker 2: cover since the dawn of time. I love this magazine cover.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's so iconic. It always makes me giggle.
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  Speaker 2: It's so weird, so crazy, and I love that the
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  Speaker 2: world is discovering it now.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and I love seeing you know, Roger the Alien
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: from American Ad as Madonna in this photo or Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Jessica Parker with the swoopy bang. It is really it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of giving. We have not seen an image enter
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  Speaker 1: the meme lexicon like this since. Oh that's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that that meme of Changelo with the glasses, Like
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of what this is giving to me, just
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  Speaker 1: like an image that really stands on its own.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Wait, I'm looking at Chandela glasses I forgot.
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  Speaker 1: Which I almost posted to reference my favorite song on
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Confessions too right, And then I remember that Changela is
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: like a rapist question.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Mark, Chandela is an alleged rapist, which alleged rapist. There
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: was quite there's quite a lot of of uh first
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: hand accounts of that. You can go look it up.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: There's a Donna.
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  Speaker 2: Back back back to Madonna. There's a them Us article
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: explaining it if you want to go look it up.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Confessions too Again. We will be doing our in depth
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: track reviews and Confession's history on our bonus episode on
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: patreon dot com Slash Like a Virgin, But for now
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Rose Confessions. To give me your immediate response, like when
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: you clicked play, I mean you would already heard the
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: first single, the first track. What how did the album
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: wash over you? What were your first and second reactions?
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I loved it immediately. I was shocked that it was
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: actually good. I think because Madonna, as much as I
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: love her, has not released an album this sickening in
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: over twenty years, twenty one years. Although you know I
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: am a hard candy truther, so are you?
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I am? I think that you liked Mdna.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: No, oh no, hard candy is hard candy, Okay, I'm
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: a hard candy truth her, especially the Parrel tracks more
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: so than the Timbaland ones. I love that it's an
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  Speaker 1: album that wants to be an album rather than a
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: collection of singles. The transitions or some of my favorite
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: parts on the album. I love that it's one continuous
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: piece of music. I love that it's you know, Erotica
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: meets Confessions on a dance Floor meets bedroom stories like
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that is such a like holy trinity of Madonna albums,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: and it makes so much sense for her to pull
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: from them. I love the weird like spoken word opening
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: moments of every track, like the fact that she is
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: actually confessing things. It's yeah, it's crazy that so many
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: decades into her career, at the age of sixty seven,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Madonna made an album that feel that is not just good,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: is not just like okay, okay, well you know it's good.
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  Speaker 1: It feels necessary and vital to her larger canon.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I feel, yeah, like any sort of Madonna, Stan has
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: probably experienced, like at least a modicum of disappointment over
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the last twenty one years. And to contextualize more of
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: what Rose was talking about for the true virgins who
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: don't know anything about Madonna, don't know that much about Madonna.
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  Speaker 2: The first Confessions album was released in two thousand and six,
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  Speaker 2: this is twenty one years ago. It was critically acclaimed,
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  Speaker 2: maybe like I would say appreciated, in value over those
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: twenty one years, I think it became more and more
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: critically acclaimed. For sure, there was greater appreciation for it
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: with time because it was ahead of its time.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: It has been with time, it has been canonized as
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: one of Madonna's best albums.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to give away too much of
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: what we talked about in our Patreon, but in two
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: thousand and six there was dance music was not in
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the charts like the most like it was like giving,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: like you know, new alternative. It was giving R and B.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: It was giving like Natasha Beddingfield. So for her to
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: release a super duper dance album then I think was
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: like so major. And I feel that there's a kind
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of majornis for what she's releasing now, speaking to again
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: a certain subculture. I think that how Confessions Too is
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: in conversation with something like Renaissance cannot be like, you know, disjointed.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: But also Madonna in conversation with herself, right, she's bringing
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: this era back she has she is returning to dance
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: music in a way that she's returning to dance music
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: in a way that feels akin to how two thousand
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: and six came across her as like post I, it's
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: like I amidst Iraq war stuff. And after two super
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: introspective albums, she's like, Okay, just kidding, I'm just gonna
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: do dance just vibes, and like for this, it's like
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: she did a bunch. She released a kind of a
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: bunch of slop and now she's like, okay, just kidding,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: let's just dance.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Well, she also released, you know, her last actual album,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Madam X, is much darker than Nice, And you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I think the context and again like we don't want
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to get too much into this because we are really
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: going to save this deep dive for the Patreon episode,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: but the context of when the albums was released, I
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: do think is really important. Like I think now, making
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: an album about dance music, about how important it is
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to be in community with other people on a dance
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: floor feels so necessary for this moment in time where
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a younger generation is coming of age in a world
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: in which they are siloed, in which they think that
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the only meanwhile to way to make connections is online,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: when you know we have no third spaces, and yeah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I mean talking about the dance floor as this space
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: of safety and community and Transcendence feels really vital for
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the current moment.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: It does. And also at the same time, because I
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: will say I'm not like a huge fan of a
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: lot of the lyrics on this album, I think that
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's very chat gybt. I've found appreciation for a
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: certain vibe that I think I could describe as like
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Grandma says, touch grass, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: it's very like, Okay, your elder has said that phones
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: are the devil and the only thing that makes sense
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: is dance. I just I think that I would be
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: curious to know if there is a younger generation listening
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to this album and what they think about it or
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: how they relate to it, because well, the.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Conversation online is so at least from my you know corner,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: my algorithm, my corner of like Twitter specifically, is like
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: old gays winning strict Gay Summer, Yeah, and like younger
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: gays being like, you know, check on the older gay
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: in your life and see if they've listened to the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: new Madonna album yet. But I do think like it
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: is trickling down and I'm seeing a lot of people
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: being like, oh wow, this is the first time I've
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: listened to a Madonna album from start to finish because
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I think for the past twenty years like that, when
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: she released an album, it didn't always feel like the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: moment because she the I think so much of it
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is like about the promotion and the rollouts, since she's
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: had a lot of like weird missteps over the last
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: two decades. And unfortunately, like the marketing for this album
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: really worked. She built this cohesive story like Herbian on
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the Grinder grid. It did what it needed to do.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: It like it built the world for this album. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, my sisters who are
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: twenty three are like listening to Confessions too with their friends.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: But I think this will because Madonna is still the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: pinnacle of pop stardom. Like you know, there's a reason
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: why she has a track with Sabrina Carpenter, the current
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: version of that on this album, which I do think
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: is one of the worst tracks on the album. And
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: so I do think, like dance, this kind of dance
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: music might hopefully you know, trickle down. And I also
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: do just hope that younger people, you know, discover Madonna
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: in a way that maybe they hadn't before through this album.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I hope that younger people discover Confessions one. Like I
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: know we're saving like in depth track reviews maybe for
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: the Patreon, but to talk about the album maybe more broadly,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I do think that there are a lot of moments
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: in this album that, like as we kind of suspected,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: would feel like they like would are at times set
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: up to fail because they're in comparison to what is
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: like kind of I don't want to say Madonna's magnum
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: opus because she has had so many kind of masterpieces,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: both records and albums, but but it definitely I think
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: it's the sonically the most beautiful album she's ever made.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I think that Hung Up is sonically maybe the most
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: beautiful melody she's ever created.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Like I well, she.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Didn't create the melody first, right hung Out advert Maybe
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: she's right, but that's I mean, like within the context
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: of how her and Stuart Price like fucked with that,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: which we will get into in our Patreon. I really
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: like it just gave me a greater appreciation for what
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that moment in time meant and when I listen to
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Confessions too. Even though my feeling feelings around this album
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: are overwhelmingly positive, I feel a little bit about how
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I felt like when I listened to Mayhem, where it's like,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad Mother is back. I'm so glad Mother
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: is returning to form. And also there's like a bone missing,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: like there is like something of.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Well you do bone density as you get older. She
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: needs to start, she needs to start eating her or
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: drinking her bone eva.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, not bone eva, her broth. She is sixty seven,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: a fact that I literally was shocked by. I did
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: not know that, truly cannot believe that woman a sixty seven.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: She's fucking fierce. I think the thing that is the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: thing that I think would fix, truly fix the album
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: for me is one. I think that there's a certain
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: kind of chat gibt lyrical thing happening. Like my one
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: of my favorite songs is Love without Words, but that
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: or in.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Mind too, but that's like the top three for me.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Call it trance, call it house, call it love without
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Words like that that suck.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: But the thing but the lyrics, but yeah, but the
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: thing is like when you're listening, when you're in when
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you're when you're in a club dancing, yes, like you
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you're not listen lyrics are listening for the lyrics like that,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and the album is so sonically complex and rich that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of happy that she invested more in the
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: musicality than the lyricism.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: My I completely agree with that, actually, and I do
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: think that there are I think that there's a long
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: history of dance music where the lyrics were bad.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: And also, I mean on Confessions on a dance floor,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: she rhymes the word New York with dork, right, Like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Madonna does have some cheesy lyrics.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Sometimes she's a pop star, she's cringe. Sometimes she's cringe.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: But another favorite song, but also like corniest kind of lyric.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, the auto tune is kind of
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: late in life share kind of levels of auto tune.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I do wish there was a little I wish there
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: was just a little less I would like to hear.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I don't need to hear her voice more, But I
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: think that there wasn't a level of autotune that I
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: was like, you need to either go full Charlie XCX
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: or like give us something a little more raw, because
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: especially in like the last couple tracks of Confessions too,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: these are deeply confessional lyrics. Like maybe I think arguably
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: and I'm not a Madonna historian, but I would say
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: arguably some of the most confessional lyrics she's ever had
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: in her life, like to do a song with her
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: daughter and to talk about Selicity.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Song with lordis Oh my god, it's so good, It's
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: so beautiful. Yeah, they really they worked it out on
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the remix.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: They worked out on the remix. It really was giving that. Yeah,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: my as you and I both said our favorite songs
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: are School and Love Without Words. I also really, really
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: really love dance Ateria. I think Danceya is my favorite song.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I think one I love.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Bizarre, there's dance track. There's some tracks I don't love
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: as much I and they're mostly the features. I think
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the Sabrina song sucks. I really don't like read My Lips,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: which is another collab song. I think if you took
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the feature out of it, the rapper whose name I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: don't even know, I think actually I would like that,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I like, maybe I love I would certainly like it
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: more than I like it now.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: When Madonna, you know, does some lines and says, wait
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: what we put some Spanish guitar on this bitch? You know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: she's not fucking around, and she has done this pretty
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: much every album she's ever created.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Like, well she is, she is an album.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: It is speak Spanish.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well when she when she said what
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: she says, Danceteria Puerto Rican boys make me go crazy.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: It's like, we know girl, we know girl, your exes,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: We've listened to your albums. We know.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: God.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I love that lyrics so much. Un ironically, I love
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that lyric. I remember the first time I heard that lyric,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I literally like stopped and rewound and I was like,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: did I hear that right? And I like euphoric, smiling, cacling.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean dance Materia is sort of like a
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like a datast masterpiece.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: And it is also at times vogue too.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I but I love the concept of in vogue.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Whereas the sort of bridge like rap where she's named
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: checking all of these you know, led these Hollywood glamour
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: legends and dance Aterria. She is giving flowers to these
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: unsung figures of this nightlife culture who have been sort
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: of lost to time and you know, as well as
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Keith Herring and yeah, which I think is a really
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: nice update of that. It's no longer like I want
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to honor these larger than life legends. It's like, Oh,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I actually I want to help make legends out of
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: these figures who work larger than life in my personal life.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Who more people should know about the world building in
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: that was is so delicious and sublime. Sorry, I just
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: burped and.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I thought you were I thought you were coming, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: thought you were crying. I thought you were like becoming emotional.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: You thought I was on a disclosure day alien speaking. Yes,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I I'm really really excited to deep dive into dance
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Ateria history in our Patreon episode, So subscribe if you
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: want to hear more about it. But for the virgins,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the Dance Materia was a club in the nineteen eighties
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: where Madonna essentially debuted her her very first single Everybody.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: It has a really beautiful origin story and dance Ateria
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: which had four floors of kind of program tons of
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: art making, tons of original artists, tons of figures that
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: would go through Dance Materyria around the same time as
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Studio fifty four, but was kind of seen as the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: actual like artist cove, where Studio fifty four was more
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: like exclusive velvet rope.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: It was where it was like where everyone hung out.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: It was the afters, you know, it was for people
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: in the know. It was like where the people who
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you know worked the parties at other places hung out.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And we are going to talk about that quite a bit,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: and I promise you I'm going to like, you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: share things that go far and beyond the Twitter thread
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: that has already summarized a lot of the you know
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: who's in What's of Dance Aeteryria via Madonna, But like
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: that song, like over and over again. I mean, I'm
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: very nostalgic for New York in the eighties. I it's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: like an era that like makes me believe in New
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: York and wants and I want to live in New
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: York and also kind of made me like sad because
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think we have something like that, you know
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: right now. I miss New York night life even like
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: nineties and early aughts new York night life, like.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I miss Yeah, I mean this, I do feel like
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I experienced the something close to it, like for sure,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: like in the you know, sort of Brooklyn blow up
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: of the early twenty tens that I was really a
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: part of. Like I do think, you know, like a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: space like Spectrum was kind of the dance materia of
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: it It's time, or like you know, Lady Fag's Party
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: eleven eleven, which was like where you know, everyone who
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: like worked parties other nights would like hang out on Fridays.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I will say like this album did make
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: me almost like not only nostalgic for this time that
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I never experienced, but also like times in my life
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: where that feel like I was living an experience that
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: was an analogue to what Madonna is talk singing about.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I love the talk singing act, which is.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Why it was so nice when we on a fourth
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: of July when we were doing kind of like a
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: nine pm version of Afters Listen listening to Confessions Too.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: We did to do Afters at nine pm and to
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: just listen to an album and talk and talk quickly
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and get progressively more drunk and be like this song,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: this song, Yeah, I love that I loved gay, explaining
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: to my boyfriend's cousin and brother, Oh my god, not
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a word I got, no silence, silence, Okay, is there
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: any you? Are there any other songs we want to
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: call out overarching album criticism. I know we're saving the
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: in depth for the Patreon.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've I think I've said like all
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I have to say at this current moment. Yeah, because
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: this is an album that I think will be with
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: us for a long time like that. That is the thing,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: like more than any of Madonna's other albums of the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: last twenty years, which, like I have there have been
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: times where like I've enjoyed a song or like with
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Madame X, I really enjoyed the album experience that seeing
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: it seeing the live show is really great, but it
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: didn't sort of integrate itself into the music that I
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: listened to regularly. And I do feel like Confessions Too
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: has the potential to now become part of my musical
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: canon for sure.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I think that you're per like there will be Madonna
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: fans where this is now like in that cannon or
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: in that ranking and to but to be honest, similar
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to how I felt with Mayhem, I'm like not sure
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: if this is an album that will stay with me.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I think, unambiguously it is her best album in twenty
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: one years. I think, unambiguously it is among her greatest
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: works on an album or record level, But her greatest
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: album in twenty one years is not it's a pretty
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: low bar because of I mean obviously discounting four minutes. Yeah,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: of course, because because four minutes was sublime. I also like,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: in my research for the Patroon episode, I discovered that
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Madonna promoted Rebel Heart on Grinder as well. Did you
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: know that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: All I remember from Rebel Heart is her hosting photos
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: of various figures with the weird string tied around their
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: faces and the ones you did of Martin Luther King
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Junior saying that he would have he had a rebel heart.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I'm okay, I'm okay, I had a rebel heart and
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: he did and he did if you think about it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: But yeah, all all of you will need to hop
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: on over to the Patreon patreon dot com slash like
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a Virgin to listen to our Madonna bonus app in
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: which we will do a deep dive on Confessions on
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: dance Floor, confessions too, and general Madonna her story.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: So you and I watched some other things over the
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: last weekend. What should we start with?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I do want to do a quick plug for
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: something I think you haven't seen yet, right, which is Okay,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Maddie's Secret, Yes, Maddy's Secret, new film written directed and
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: starring John Early, who, if you don't know, is an
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: amazing actor, writer, director, also a median, comedian, Friend of
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the Show, Friend of mine. The film is it was
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: described to me as if a lifetime movie was played seriously,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and that very much is what it is. It's about
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Maddie who is a dishwasher in a sort of like
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Bonappetite test kitchen, and she becomes a rising star there
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: thanks to her you know, sickening vegetarian recipe videos, but
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: that scrutiny starts to exacerbate her eating disorder. And it
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: literally is like I could have watched this movie in
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: ninth grade health class, Like this is the kind of
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: movie they would have shown to teenagers to teach them
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: about eating disorders. It's so funny but also very heartfelt.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: There are moments of genuine like pathos and emotion. John
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: is completely committed to it in like the way that
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: only he can be. Well, him and Kate Berland, who
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: are you know, two of the stars of the film.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: The actor who plays his husband, Eric Rahill, is so
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: fucking hot. Jordan would love him, big bear, and it Yeah,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: it's like the kind of film that I would have
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: loved to watch at a sleepover like I would have
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: watched it like every sleepover in middle school and high school.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: And the only weird moment was when I saw it
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the first time John appeared on screen as Maddie. A
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: bunch of people in the theater just started laughing hysterically,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: And I was like, are they laughing because it's John
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Early and they love him and like he's just so
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: funny and like even just like his face is funny,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Or are they laughing because he's uh in full giche
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: and like a man playing a woman is funny? Because
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I do think for sure both. I think it's for
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: sure both because because I remember, like when the trailer
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: first dropped, there was some like conversation around like, oh,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: it's like her secret that she's trans, and it's like, no,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: it's like in the movie John Early is just playing
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: a woman. Yes, there's no gender woman, she's a sis
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: gender woman period.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, and it's played completely straight. I wait, I want
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: to this. Also, if you've never seen the film, the
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four film For the Love of Nancy, which
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: isn't made for television movie about a girl with an
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: eaty disorder, it's that was shown in my health class.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I kind of want to rewatch it and then watch
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Maddie's Secret. But to the thing that you were just
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: speaking to, which might actually lead into our conversation about Tutsie,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I do uh No, I didn't. I don't feel this
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: specifically about this film because I kind of really trust
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: John Early and his sense of humor. I trust how
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the film is being portrayed, and like how audiencers receive
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: it is like a separate problem that I don't think
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: he has to be fully responsible for, but I do
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: think that they're that he can still be guilty of
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: this thing that does happen amongst male comedians, where simply
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: dressing up as a woman is the whole bit. And
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: the more unwell that woman is, the more dysfunctional that
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: woman is, the more kind of like n income poopy
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: that woman is, the better the comedy. And you know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: there are so many different kinds of trans critics that
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: can give you the long version of why that could
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: feel or be like problematic, could have ramifications kind of
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: how historically marginalized classes of people are seen in the culture.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I would say, and this is my kind of rule
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: for almost everything that if it's funny, then you can
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: get away with it.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And also, like with John, the work he has done,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: the people he works with, like, we know that it's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: coming from this place of deep appreciation for womanhood and
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: women's stories. And he's not playing a woman to denigrate women.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: He's playing a woman because he's obsessed with women and
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: wants to tell a story about this particular woman and
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: he does it flawlessly. Yes, okay, highly will men seeing
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Maddie Secret if you can.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I've also heard that the film takes a kind of
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: unexpected emotional turn.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, it really does.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I'm excited.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I almost cried.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Babes. Do we talk about we like, you know, have
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit of time left. Do we talk about Tutsie,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Leviticus the Mummy?
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Or we have to talk about Leviticus? Yes, let's talk
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: about last week?
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Okay. So Leviticus is an I thought new horror film.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Apparently it came out last year, or maybe it came
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: out last year in Australia or something like that. But
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: as in theaters right now, it is a horror film.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: It is being described as the gay horror film, and
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: it pretty.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Much is that. It follows if it was gay, I.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Would say it's it follows meets Love Simon or maybe
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: like Godd's Own Country. Yeah, it's kind of it has
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: a love Simon Schmaltz to it. I think it's after
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: school special.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And that is my main criticism of it. Yeah, the film,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: written and directed by Adrian Chiarella, does kind of feel
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: like a standard sad gay indie movie, just with the
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: horror element slapped over it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Because so, the film follows two teenagers living in a
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: very religious community in suburban Australia who are hanging out,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: hooking up, have a crush on each other. One of
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: them spots the other one making out with someone else
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: and tattles on him to their religious community, who call
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: in an exorcist to perform this ritual that is aimed to,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I guess, make homosexuality scary to them. So what the
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: ritual does is, as we learn, summons a demon who
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: looks like the person that person wants the most. So
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: you have these and you know, both of the boys
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: end up getting cursed with the same curse. So they
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: are seeing essentially doppelgangers of the person they're in love
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: with who wants to kill them. And that is the
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: whole film, and there are some scary moments. The jumps
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: really falls into a pattern with horror movies for me,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: where this was just so overhyped to me as being
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: so amazing and so scary that it was inevitably going
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to be a bit of a let down. But I
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: just felt like you all know and you fran know
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: that I don't think any movie should be over ninety minutes.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: This movie was I think exactly ninety minutes, and it
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: was one of the rare instances where I think it
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: needed another fifteen minutes, ten to twenty minutes just to
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: of specifically the horror beats to really make this film effective.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I also think it could have used to punch up
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: on the script for like a little some more moments
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: of humor. I would have liked to be more invested
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: in this relationship that I than I was. It just
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: like I thought it was a good movie, It just
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: like it wasn't amazing.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will agree with you on like I think
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: that there I agree. There's like the relationship and ships
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: between both the lovers and the mom played by Mia Wasakauska,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: who I thought retired from acting, but I guess.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: She kind of did as she must have you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: she was probably Australian, and like was like, she's back
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: for gay, Sure I'll do it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think she produced the film as well.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: But I.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I felt like, I felt like that the relationships were
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I wanted actually more time on.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I think it would have heightened the stakes of what
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: we were seeing, even though I thought the chemistry between
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: the two boys was truly gorgeous and they.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Were both giving really great performances.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Right Like all of that I loved and appreciated it was,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I thought, Yeah, And I also think that the horror
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: in the film was not that horrific. I thought there
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: were two scenes in particular that were like really really scary.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I thought the jump scare was super cheap, even though
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: it fucking got me out of my fucking seat. I
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: thought it was super cheap. I just didn't think that
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: the I thought that there was actually so much rich
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: territory to play with that we didn't see, like you
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like the in the Conceit where
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: the demon takes a form of your kind of crush
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: or secret crush and then it essentially tries to kill you.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: There's a scene where I mean this is this is
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: kind of a spoiler, not really. This is a scene
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: where the demon essentially like fists the other boy like
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: in his mouth, like fists like his all like I
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: think up to elbow almost like this his entire mouth.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I think it was maybe brisk, and it was.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, okay, it should have been it should have
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: been deep. That's my point is like it should have
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: been deeper, it should have been up is it should
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: have been deeper.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, There's so.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Many different things where I was like that that you
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: could have taken this, this and this so much further.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even story, yes, And there were so many
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: things where I was like, this scare is on the table,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: this scary element is like sitting right there, Like this
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: dynamic between them could have been so you know. I mean,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I just thought there was a lot of missed opportunities
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: for it didn't.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Even play enough with the whole idea of like not
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: knowing if the person was the real person or the demon,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Like I felt like there was so much more to
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: do with that. I also thought that the relationship between
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the mother and the gay kid, I wanted more more
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: of a more tension or resolution there, like it. I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: like a movie that shows rather than tells, but this
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: movie needed to both show and tell a little more.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like the what I love that the the
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: film had this like erotic tension. I thought that was
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: so cool. I liked that it didn't shy away from that.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, their their hookup scenes were genuinely hot.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I also did not need to. I did
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: not need like the romance to be like like immaculate,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: but so long as the horror was good. But because
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the horror itself was a little lackluster, it led me
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: to like scrutinize whether what these relationships were doing. And
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: yeah to I don't know if you were kind of
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: making this point, But the corporeality of the demon and
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: like how it works I think was a little confusing sometimes,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: which I don't mind.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: As you know, I don't necessarily want all the rules
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: for a monster or an entity or whatever spelled out
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: for me in a horror movie. But this was just
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: so vague and there, and it's so similar to something
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: like It Follows that I do think it needed a
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: little more lore to differentiate itself.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I also think there's like a hint of obsession in there.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like, there's there's a hint
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: of like, oh, sometimes relationships are so deep that they're scary,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Sometimes a crush is so
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: severe that it's dangerous. Like that's a theme that I
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: think is in there. But honestly, compared to obsession, obsession
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: does it so much better because there was so much
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: more relational building, and because I thought they actually really
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: took it there with a lot of the horror.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: But also there was a good amount of humor and obsession.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: It was it felt like like I don't know, I
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't care. I didn't care about these people. It's
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: like they just felt so far away from me, these
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: like Australian teenagers in this like small religious community, and
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: like I don't need to relate to a character in
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: a movie to be moved by their story. But I
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: just like I just wanted more of these people. I
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: felt like I didn't. There was not a lot of
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: their There was not a lot of interiority about their characters.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: All I knew was that they were gay for each other.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were gay for each other, and yeah, sometimes
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: that can feel a little thin, and they were both
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: very thin. They were both very thin and the blonde
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: one could have moved to New York and been like
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: immediately cast into a Gucci campaign, you know what I mean,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: and like been like set for life. Well actually I
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: mean set for like four to six years, and then
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: a model's career is over. Then you have to kill yourself,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: and then you have to kill yourself. I will to
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: give the film a little bit of credit. First of all,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: if virgins you're listening to this, you might like the film.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Go see it, Go support the film. It's gay, it's horror.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Like I don't think we have gay horrors. I can't
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: think of any gay horrors. I know there probably is
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: like one or two, But like.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I do think this, coming off the back of Obsession,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: got a little more attention than it would have, and
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: that a good thing.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Like one could argue that Black Swan is a gay
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: horror like it is.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: It is certainly a psychosexual thriller with queer themes.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I think it's horrific. Uh, but yeah, I like that
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: that exists. I also think that there's a there's a
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: message at the end. I guess I won't spoil it,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: but there's a there's the way that the film ends
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: even though I thought on a plot level is very cheap,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: on the thematic level, I thought was really rich and cool.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I've actually, I don't think i've
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: ever seen a film do that before in a coming
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: out story. But anyways, virgins, let us know what you
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: think of Leviticus.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: And not also not the one from the Bible.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Wait also okay, sorry, yeah, rego read Leviticus from the Bible.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I also forgot to mention that the the name of
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: the character is name.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was girl. What the is that?
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Australia a crazy?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Literally, and you know what, I don't care if that's
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: something that people in Australia are actually named for your movie.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: You have to give a character a name that's not name.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Don't give your note name your character name. What's wrong
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: with you?
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Literally?
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: What's your child name? That's crazy? That's crazy. Anyways.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's like if your name was Tran instead of Fran. Yeah,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and it is Fran Tran Torado. That's my middle name, Tranferrado.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, we only got the minute to say, do we
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: talk about Game of Thrones and save the Mummy entocy
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: for next week?
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's want to do it. Let's know, let's do
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: a quick House of the Dragon check in. I will
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: say the most recent episode, which follows Ranira as she
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: you know, takes control of sort of the the daily
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: life of being a ruler after you know, flying into
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: King's landing and taking the iron throne. I really liked
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: this episode because it felt like a very kind of
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: old school Game of Thrones episode that was much more
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: focused on political intrigue. I liked that the whole episode
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: was really from Rainier's point of view and that we
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: focused in on that. And I liked during her essentially
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: first days in office. Yes, and I kind of both
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: loved and hated that they did the like what if
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: the female president got her period? Things? That was kind
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: of crazy.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Wait, I didn't even think about it that way. That's
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: exactly what happened. Yeah, it's very body dysmorphia, is very
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: gender trouble Judith Butler, et cetera. But I mean, they
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: didn't treat it that way. But that's why I read it.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: But I thought it was a good episode. Again, Olivia
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Cook doing insane things with her I acting as Alison
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: continues to experience the horrors. I also think this episode,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: you know, for people who haven't read the book and
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: who don't know what's going to happen. Like I saw
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of people saying online who were like, oh,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: this was the first time I was like, Raniera might
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: be fucked.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Oh I see, yeah, that the wall is kind of crumbling,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: or rather the I would say what I well, I'll
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: say is that the foundation is cracking for sure. I mean,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: she wasn't resting on a solid foundation to start with.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: No, but she had the idea that like, once she
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: took the iron throne, everything would fall into place, and
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: we see her learn in this episode that like, no,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: now she has to actually rule, and it is very
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: hard to rule a city and a kingdom in which
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: you don't have the resources, you don't have the support
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: of the nobles, and you don't have the support of
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: the entire kingdom. As much as I loved that sequence
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: of her feeding all the aristocrats rats, she needs those
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: people if she's going to rule effectively.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, if you're an institutionalist democrat, which we have previously
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: argued on this podcast that Raniera is the Democrat and
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Allison is the Republican. On the technical level, if we
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: have to choose, then you. Then Raniera, as the dem
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: must know that she does need to take some you know,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: pack fund. She needs to take some uh, she needs
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: to like wine and dine some people that maybe are
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: fracking okay. She needs to make sure that the billionaires
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: in her circle are maybe a little bit happy.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: And she also has to not piss off the Church,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, the other major ruling power in
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: West Rows. And I really loved that scene with her
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: and the High Septin because, you know, Knira, she has
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: been burdened with this destiny of being a Targarian, of
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: being the rightful queen, of being her father's heir, of
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: knowing that there is this looming existential threat of the
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: others and the Long Night, and so she really sees
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: herself as this champion who has, you know, the mystical
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: endowment of dragons, and so she thinks like, oh, that's
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: what's going to get the High Sept into sort of
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: cower before me, not thinking about the fact that the
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: faith of the Seven to them all, they the Targerians,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: are something they tolerate because they have power. They think
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: they are dark sided, incestuous freaks with fire monsters, and
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: they see dragons as the epitome of everything they want
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: eradicated from the earth, magic, you know, any kind of
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: female power. Raniera represents everything they don't want. A woman
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: with power who has a dragon. Yeah, and so we're
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: just seeing how even though Rania is now in the
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: place of power, she doesn't have any of the trappings
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: on it. She doesn't even have the resources to fund
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: her own coronation. And the episode ends with her essentially
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: doing a photo op giving food to the people, which
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: might keep them fed for a couple of days, but
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: is gonna do nothing about the larger problems.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a very great It's a great moment
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: for her optics for sure, and it's a great moment
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: for the socialists watching the TV show that are like,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: hell yeah, redistribute wealth Raniera.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Like, I certainly felt very satiated by that move.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I will see, Comrade Rania.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this was like something that was
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: like intentional on the filmmaking level, or if this was
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: just kind of like a under blocked, understage moment, but like,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: watch her stand in a so in the and towards
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: the end of the episode, she's, you know, standing in
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: a wagon filled with food and resources, And she's giving
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: a speech to the people saying she's going to redistribute
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: this wealth, and then you kind of look at the
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: wagon and there's really not that much food on it.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: No, she's giving them these little packages of of like
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: a couple slices of bread.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: And like apples and like whatever. And I'm like, it's
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: like that will last them like maybe like less than
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: two days for sure, especially if they have a family.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: And also, like, how is this distribution program working? Is
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: it just everyone that was there that heard the speech
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: and everyone else is kind of fucked? Is there like
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: any sort of like newsletter she's gonna send out, or like.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: One of those alerts you get when there's severe weather.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and alert.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I would love to receive anwer alert, especially if it's
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: like a Tybra alert, or I would love to receive
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Nier's version of you've got Gmail, You've got.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Dragon mail, dragon mail notifying you that you are entitled
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: to one parentheses one basket of food and resources.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the optic. I don't know, I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: don't know if that was a contentional filmmaking, but it
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: just fell anti climactic.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I think it's good storytelling. That it's showing that Rania
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: is someone who has not thought she's been so caught
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: up in the idea of winning the throne of uh,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: you know, protecting her claim that she has not thought
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: about ruling right, and that is like and that is
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: something I'm sure we will see play out over the
• 1:00:44
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and I know, I know we did. We talked
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit last week about female led action movies
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: and said we were going to save that conversation for
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: this episode, and in fact, we decided to make that
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the topic of our second Deep Dive episode for this month,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: so that you can look.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: For tracketing yes, possibly sportsifying female led action films.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Well, because women World, the.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: World Cup is going on, so we want to we
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  Speaker 1: want to get in on the.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Sports action, this is the World Cup, the World Diva Cup.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: And on that note, I love you, love you Bye,